Hi All, so its been 10 months almost since I purchased by Bravo, and am thinking to upgrading to a Defy, however... in GSM Arena, it is listed that the bravo has a 2gb Rom versus the 1gb for the Defy. Is this true? I was not able to find anything on Motorola.com to confirm this.
Would you recommend switching to a Defy, if so which version (+, xt)?
marcelarr said:
Hi All, so its been 10 months almost since I purchased by Bravo, and am thinking to upgrading to a Defy, however... in GSM Arena, it is listed that the bravo has a 2gb Rom versus the 1gb for the Defy. Is this true? I was not able to find anything on Motorola.com to confirm this.
Would you recommend switching to a Defy, if so which version (+, xt)?
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I say keep your bravo. There's a good enough community here behind it with good ROMs to choose from. You can get Miui, CM7, CM9, CM10, and I think bandroidx's custom rom is still here (obsolete, but if you like MotoBlur, go for it).
They DEFY (+, xt) and the BRAVO have the same amount of RAM (~512mb) and internal storage space (2gb). However, the DEFY has Corning Gorilla Glass, which is super scratch resistant and tough, and prevents dust according to GSMarena. The DEFY also has a 4th capacitive button, the search button (which isn't really necessary in my opinion).
There might be other interface differences but I've never played with a DEFY so I don't know. I do know that the Bravo is a really good phone and that this Bravo community is amazing. We could have a really slow, BLUR using, battery draining Bravo, but instead we can have a lightning fast one with all the features of the latest smartphones (ex: most phones with android 4.1.1).
That's my opinion. Good luck with your decision!
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I say keep your bravo. There's a good enough community here behind it with good ROMs to choose from. You can get Miui, CM7, CM9, CM10, and I think bandroidx's custom rom is still here (obsolete, but if you like MotoBlur, go for it).
They DEFY (+, xt) and the BRAVO have the same amount of RAM (~512mb) and internal storage space (2gb). However, the DEFY has Corning Gorilla Glass, which is super scratch resistant and tough, and prevents dust according to GSMarena. The DEFY also has a 4th capacitive button, the search button (which isn't really necessary in my opinion).
There might be other interface differences but I've never played with a DEFY so I don't know. I do know that the Bravo is a really good phone and that this Bravo community is amazing. We could have a really slow, BLUR using, battery draining Bravo, but instead we can have a lightning fast one with all the features of the latest smartphones (ex: most phones with android 4.1.1).
That's my opinion. Good luck with your decision!
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Thanks for the input. I absolutley ADORE my bravo... I currently have Quarxs 4.0 Installed and am happy with it. The only think I dislike about it is the camera... kinda wish it had flash and was 5mpx... that was the major reason for changing.
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However, the DEFY has Corning Gorilla Glass, which is super scratch resistant and tough, and prevents dust according to GSMarena.
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Thought I should mention that according to the Corning web site our Bravo also has gorilla glass! Look!
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Thought I should mention that according to the Corning web site our Bravo also has gorilla glass! Look!
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I did not know that. Thanks! I agree on the better camera with flash though. If I took more pictures I would pick defy over bravo.
I'd just stick with the Bravo unless you find a cheap Defy. There aren't that many differences between the Defy and the Bravo -- Defy is waterproof\dustproof, has a better camera with flash, search button, official moto GB kernel, and all other differences are in the CG levels and partition signatures, etc. Now that we have custom kernels the differences will soon become just the search button and camera. I'll even go so far as to say that our roms will be interchangeable without porting once Quarx gets the custom kernel fine tuned with some Bravo support. As it is, the only reason we have to "port" the Defy roms is to add in our camera driver -- every other code for the most part is shared between the two phones, or actually, shared by the Moto Omap 3630 devices since they use the Defy team's code as well.
Ya gotta love our devs working their butts off to get us working CM7\9\10\11?? roms on the most locked down devices on the market and doing a better job at it than devs on fully unlocked phones. They're awesome. :good:
On another note, almost done with a new 7 port. I've added a lot of tweaks and mods and I'm adding the final touches to it today. I'm having a bit of hell trying to get the ICS framework animations to work on GB, once that's done, I should be done. I really don't care for the flip animations that the CM.com Defy 10\28 rom has and I plan to use the 7 port until PA is back in business. I'm going for a CM7 rom that looks like CM9\10, inverted gapps (almost all of them), tons of init scripts, tweaked for speed & battery life, and use the latest CM10 bootmenu so this 7 can be used a stable base to test 10 roms with. I'm gonna release the rom as a nandroid backup since I'm doing a few tweaks that require either sqlite3 database init scripts (a pita) or instructions on what settings to change to what to have the full experience I'm trying to provide.
I'll be including Holo Launcher (I own the Pro version ) so if you don't like it then install something else, though I recommend Holo Pro since its a very good, fast, and stable launcher on both GB and ICS\JB roms. Holo works better than Trebuchet on PA. Also including MiFileExplorer instead of File Manager (it sucks), Sonny's ICS theme with the additional framework\metamorph addons (no more black on black notification text), SuperSu instead of Superuser (with the updated su binary), gapps (most are inverted) preinstalled, ICS framework animations, and more.
Anyone have any suggestions as to what they want in a CM7 rom??? You'll have about 6 hours from the time of this post to let me know :silly:.
/I could start up a new cm7 thread for most of this post, but I'll just hijack one of my older cm7 threads when I release the rom, until then I'll just post crap in random places.
What do you think about Pimp My Rom?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1908269
I've been using it without any issues and it has various init.d scripts and tons of other tweaks along with it. It's worked with each CM rom I've used, so I'm wondering if that will save you some work, rather than have you write all the scripts yourself.
That's my two cents. Good luck and thanks! You never fail to impress us!
Thanks!
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I'd just stick with the Bravo unless you find a cheap Defy. There aren't that many differences between the Defy and the Bravo -- Defy is waterproof\dustproof, has a better camera with flash, search button, official moto GB kernel, and all other differences are in the CG levels and partition signatures, etc. Now that we have custom kernels the differences will soon become just the search button and camera. I'll even go so far as to say that our roms will be interchangeable without porting once Quarx gets the custom kernel fine tuned with some Bravo support. As it is, the only reason we have to "port" the Defy roms is to add in our camera driver -- every other code for the most part is shared between the two phones, or actually, shared by the Moto Omap 3630 devices since they use the Defy team's code as well.
Ya gotta love our devs working their butts off to get us working CM7\9\10\11?? roms on the most locked down devices on the market and doing a better job at it than devs on fully unlocked phones. They're awesome. :good:
On another note, almost done with a new 7 port. I've added a lot of tweaks and mods and I'm adding the final touches to it today. I'm having a bit of hell trying to get the ICS framework animations to work on GB, once that's done, I should be done. I really don't care for the flip animations that the CM.com Defy 10\28 rom has and I plan to use the 7 port until PA is back in business. I'm going for a CM7 rom that looks like CM9\10, inverted gapps (almost all of them), tons of init scripts, tweaked for speed & battery life, and use the latest CM10 bootmenu so this 7 can be used a stable base to test 10 roms with. I'm gonna release the rom as a nandroid backup since I'm doing a few tweaks that require either sqlite3 database init scripts (a pita) or instructions on what settings to change to what to have the full experience I'm trying to provide.
I'll be including Holo Launcher (I own the Pro version ) so if you don't like it then install something else, though I recommend Holo Pro since its a very good, fast, and stable launcher on both GB and ICS\JB roms. Holo works better than Trebuchet on PA. Also including MiFileExplorer instead of File Manager (it sucks), Sonny's ICS theme with the additional framework\metamorph addons (no more black on black notification text), SuperSu instead of Superuser (with the updated su binary), gapps (most are inverted) preinstalled, ICS framework animations, and more.
Anyone have any suggestions as to what they want in a CM7 rom??? You'll have about 6 hours from the time of this post to let me know :silly:.
/I could start up a new cm7 thread for most of this post, but I'll just hijack one of my older cm7 threads when I release the rom, until then I'll just post crap in random places.
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Thanks for your sharing your point of veiw... I am looking for a cheap Defy... but think I will keep my Bravo also!!
Thanks for all your hard work on CM7!
marcelarr said:
Thanks for your sharing your point of veiw... I am looking for a cheap Defy... but think I will keep my Bravo also!!
Thanks for all your hard work on CM7!
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Well, now that I have a Defy....Defy is better. Get it, you won't be disappointed. My comparison -- Defy feels more durable while holding it, Torch is awesome, the waterproof\dustproof covers (usb, headphone, battery cover) are annoying but worth it. My only issue is really a non issue -- I have to add in the correct battd (I recieved a greenlens Defy, using my Bravo's battery which is the same as 525 Defy and JB 2nd-boot uses 526 Defy+ battd). I'll end up getting a 526 battery, although our BF5X batteries can be picked up for $4 (~$6 after shipping).
Bravo is well worth keeping -- useful for testing roms, backup phone, etc. I'd never get rid of my Bravo, its too good of a phone.
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Well, now that I have a Defy....Defy is better. Get it, you won't be disappointed. My comparison -- Defy feels more durable while holding it, Torch is awesome, the waterproof\dustproof covers (usb, headphone, battery cover) are annoying but worth it. My only issue is really a non issue -- I have to add in the correct battd (I recieved a greenlens Defy, using my Bravo's battery which is the same as 525 Defy and JB 2nd-boot uses 526 Defy+ battd). I'll end up getting a 526 battery, although our BF5X batteries can be picked up for $4 (~$6 after shipping).
Bravo is well worth keeping -- useful for testing roms, backup phone, etc. I'd never get rid of my Bravo, its too good of a phone.
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Good to know you own a Defy now, I think you will improve more your knowledges about Android, as we all know Defy has a more activity which is good to learn more following the steps of Quarx.
Hope you still work with us and our lovely bravo.
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Good to know you own a Defy now, I think you will improve more your knowledges about Android, as we all know Defy has a more activity which is good to learn more following the steps of Quarx.
Hope you still work with us and our lovely bravo.
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I plan on it , but CM10 on the Bravo is gonna take a back seat for the moment. I've put 2+ weeks into getting it to function properly and haven't made any headway on it....I gotta get to updating PA since its starting to fall way behind. As is, the only way I can improve my Android knowledge is to get a uart board (for kernel debugging) and some books on C and Java. Merging code is one thing, writing it is a whole different story.
//Plus I only have one battery for two phones....Need to get another battery for my Bravo. Also, here's a pic of my Bravo so you all know what I've been working with for the past 6 months.
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Hi guys,
Well, I am stuck to my milestone 2 since there aren't any keyboard-slider phones in available in germany, that's really sad.
Also I am thinking about which ROM you use, since I don't know which one would be the best for me, so I started making a list.
(I don't like omg-winzip roms, so I just stated the main one)
CyanogenMod 7
Pros :
- almost stable
- works fast
Cons :
- there is no ALT-Lock
- it's going to be outdated
CyanogenMod 9
Pros:
- newest android version
- a lot of eyecandy, since ICS looks awesome
Cons:
- still not everything works
- ICS is heavier than GB, and cause of the missing HW-Acc, it's really laggy
Stock Rom
Pros:
- everything should work
- 720p recording
Cons:
- Bloated
- Really, really ****ing slow
- Froyo (unless you use a buggy GB on the Froyo kernel or SBF to GB)
So, what do you use?
I see the lack of a "perfect" rom for the Milestone 2
I use CM9 but i agree with you when you say that it's laggy but i really hope that it will be fixed in the next update.
And for me, most of the apps that i want works (except for Opera, Dolphin and those that need the HW accel).
I can't completely agree with your cons for CM9 and Stock:
CM9: It's blazingly fast, even without HW acc. That and video recording are the main two things that do not work. It might be heavier, but it sure as hell isn't laggy.
Stock: I don't know which stock GB you tried, but once again; even with the bloat is blazingly fast. Froyo was really slow indeed, but GB is fast as ****.
I think CM7, CM9 and Stock are all viable. It's just what you like best:
Everything working: Stock
Almost everything working and customization: CM7
Latest, with some lacking features: CM9
If you're looking for a "perfect" ROM, you probably should take a look at Argen2Stone or MS2Ginger. They're based on stock GB, with customizations.
You forgot MIUI...amazing ROM.
I installled a test version from the CM9, and for me a lot of things need a fix.
- camera itself;
- all apps from google doesn't open
I just moved to the stock version, for me it's much better since everything works.
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You may try all of the ROMs.
I had tried some ROMs from Gfan(from china) ,it's okay but there are many things that's just for Chinese people.(some apps ,features).
Also tried cm7(i7ovehope) which is my favorite one.It works stable and fast.
I found that i cannot downgrade ,after i flash stock GB I can't try cm9 ,miui...
Now I am using MS2Ginger 3.0(I delete some apps by myself to make it more smooth) and I am going to try Argen2Stone 3.
Dun think too much, just go ahead and find out which one is the best for you.
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You may try all of the ROMs.
I had tried some ROMs from Gfan(from china) ,it's okay but there are many things that's just for Chinese people.(some apps ,features).
Also tried cm7(i7ovehope) which is my favorite one.It works stable and fast.
I found that i cannot downgrade ,after i flash stock GB I can't try cm9 ,miui...
Now I am using MS2Ginger 3.0(I delete some apps by myself to make it more smooth) and I am going to try Argen2Stone 3.
Dun think too much, just go ahead and find out which one is the best for you.
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Actually, as long as you're not using Vivo (Brazil) or Personal (Argentina) ROMs, you can downgrade. Take a look in the Android Development area.
MS2 Hongkong rom
I need the original stock 2.2 rom for Hong Kong MS2 version. In SBF format, of course, because cwm can't start.
The filesonic link is broken on and-developers.com/sbf:milestone2
Thanks
CyanogenMod 9
Pros:
- newest android version
- a lot of eyecandy, since ICS looks awesome
- smooth and fast
- very stable
Cons:
- still not everything works << just HWA is not working. If you do not watch FullHD videos and do not use Flash, it will not bother you.. So then there are not any cons.
- ICS is heavier than GB, and cause of the missing HW-Acc, it's really laggy << Totally not true, it is smooth
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Pros:
- everything should work
- 720p recording
Cons:
- Bloated
- Really, really ****ing slow << To be honest - it is not true about stock GB.. Stock GB is actually pretty fast.
- Froyo (unless you use a buggy GB on the Froyo kernel or SBF to GB) << There is actually official stock GB, you know?
MIUI (not the ICS one)
Pros:
- long battery life
- nice, united design etc.
Cons:
- slow
- buggy
I see many perfect ROMs here - did you even tried them or you judge them without trying them?
CM7, CM9, stock GB, Argen2Stone, MIUI... all roms are nice and perfect if you do not need useless things like fullHD playback (who the hells needs to play HD videos on your tiny M2 screen) or 720p videos record (omg, what do you need to record? Buy camera if you rely on quality that hard)...
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> Well, I am stuck to my milestone 2 since there aren't any keyboard-slider phones in available in germany, that's really sad.
Are you kidding? What is sad about that? I bought M2 few months before and it was not cheap. I don't see why it is sad?! I would understood, if you stuck with Nokia 3310, but is THAT BAD for you? OMG what are you doing here then?
> (I don't like omg-winzip roms, so I just stated the main one)
Use search in the future, there is at least one another topic just like this (with pros and cons)...
.. thats my two cents.
I'd say that yesterday's update on sfc3001's CM9 Release made it pretty much perfect for me, with HWA the UI is buttersmooth, the battery use with Apex seems to be pretty smooth.
The Pros:
- Smooth UI.
- Volume Rocker now allows you to swap songs with the screen locked. (hold v+/-)
- Loads of stuff now works properly. (Touch Controls on MaxPayne Mobile is a good example)
- Less battery use.
- Easier to use UI, better developer tools (TCP/ip ADB, etc)
The Negatives:
- No MotoBLUR. (I'll probably get some angry PM's about this)
- Flash seems to act up with all the browsers I've tested.
- Took me 2 months to be brave enough to flash it. (Right in time to get the HWA update!)
- Took me 4 soft bricks in order to get this working.
- Opera Mobile doesn't work well. (Needs font fixes, and still won't work well after doing that)
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I'd say that yesterday's update on sfc3001's CM9 Release made it pretty much perfect for me, with HWA the UI is buttersmooth, the battery use with Apex seems to be pretty smooth.
The Pros:
- Smooth UI.
- Volume Rocker now allows you to swap songs with the screen locked. (hold v+/-)
- Loads of stuff now works properly. (Touch Controls on MaxPayne Mobile is a good example)
- Less battery use.
- Easier to use UI, better developer tools (TCP/ip ADB, etc)
The Negatives:
- No MotoBLUR. (I'll probably get some angry PM's about this)
- Flash seems to act up with all the browsers I've tested.
- Took me 2 months to be brave enough to flash it. (Right in time to get the HWA update!)
- Took me 4 soft bricks in order to get this working.
- Opera Mobile doesn't work well. (Needs font fixes, and still won't work well after doing that)
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Yeah, the two latest version of sfc3001/Alexc804 (same dev, different pseudos, guess from different communities ) brought the ICS port close to fully functionnal, with HW acceleration (thx to dan**** the main dev on the Milestone, who got it working for all of us ), camera, 720p decoding/recording, panorama and so on.
It'll be probably working better and better from now on, specially with CM9 getting off alpha/beta, and going toward stable.
On your "cons" :
- MotoBlur not being there is probably the best possible news and the main reason to move to modded ui for pretty much everyone out there .... but if you like/want it back, check http: (slash slash)forum.xda-developers.com(slash)showthread.php?t=1577123, it's a "port" of Blur for ICS devices
- you're not the only one who took a ****load of time to make the jump to flashing. I know the partial lack of doc on the whole GB kernel thingy didn't help.
- Didn't brick anything, the first time it worked flawlessly... but yeah, since then, messing with wrong apps, making mistakes, i've bricked it quite some, but who cares, with the locked bootloader, one thing we can't do is permanently brick our phones, all we need if to find the right sbf to reflash (which was a pain during the first 2/3 months after MU was taken down )
- Once the font fix was in place, i didn't had any problems with Opera anymore, and others seems to have it working flawlessly too.
ICS HWA
The latest ICS rom has partly working HWA.
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- Didn't brick anything, the first time it worked flawlessly... but yeah, since then, messing with wrong apps, making mistakes, i've bricked it quite some, but who cares, with the locked bootloader, one thing we can't do is permanently brick our phones, all we need if to find the right sbf to reflash (which was a pain during the first 2/3 months after MU was taken down )
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In some ways, the locked bootloader did a good job on preventing us from bricking the phone.
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In some ways, the locked bootloader did a good job on preventing us from bricking the phone.
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Yeah "in a way".... except it makes developpement far harder and actually brings more problems and "soft bricks" than without one.
Ok guys, first a bit of an intro.
I have a desire HD, a HD2 and a ZTE blade. Ok, I am addicted to say the least.
Now I saw this phone and might want to get rid of my ZTE. It seems like I will need to go cycle more and need a bit of phone that can handle a bit of rain etc.
The HD2 is to play with (bought it cheap and fixed it). The Desire HD I use for internet/gps and the ZTE is my workphone.
Now I have been looking around and ... djeez, red or green lens and defy+.
I think buying second hand might be a risk but on the other hand it seems that more custom roms are being developed for the 'regular' Defy.
Any hints or thoughts on what to buy and advantages/disadvantages?
Go for a regular defy red lense. Then over clock to defy+ stats. Enjoy it. I love showing people my awesome "water resistant" phone. Which I always drop in there drink n drink it. <3 free drinks.
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Get the regular defy, there is no reason to get another one.
The Defy + is almost a regular defy, but with better cpu(overclock helps)
The Defy + has Gingerbread (custom rom)
The other Defy versions, like defy mini are too slow. As far as i know cpu is at 800mHz wich is the same as the "regular" Defy, but dont know about overclock on this phone.
Regular defy has the greatest developers. Try getting a red lensed one, cause you are able too upgrade to gingerbread kernel (read tutorials) and use a great cm9 version with working camera. Green lensed Defy doesnt have the possibility, too use gb kernel, cause it just doesnt support this camera. Locked Bootloader makes it impossible (at this time) to change the Kernel.
So try to get red lensed regular defy and you are goin too have the best
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Go for a regular defy red lense. Then over clock to defy+ stats. Enjoy it. I love showing people my awesome "water resistant" phone. Which I always drop in there drink n drink it. <3 free drinks.
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LOL
I recommend a DEFY+ if you can find it at a same price as a regular DEFY (as I did, somehow).
DEFY+ = red lens (bayer) defy + a bigger battery
Stock Gingerbread on DEFY+ is quite awesome in my opinion, as it's really fast and everything works... Plus, you get 720p. If you go for a regular DEFY you might end up with a SOC (green lens) one with which you wouldn't be able to use Motorola's Gingerbread or Gingerbread kernel ROM's (we here with Moto's have locked bootloaders and are stuck with stock kernels) or have 720p recording.
MIUI is the only ROM that is Froyo only, but if you get a 2.3.5 or 2.3.4 DEFY+ (or some of the first 2.3.6) you will still be able to down flash to Froyo. If you're a MIUI fan...
Other than that, both CM7 and CM9 are available for Gingerbread and are the same as the ones for Froyo (features/speed/stability/everything-wise).
Hope I haven't confused too much Just don't go for the DEFY mini, that one sucks!
Ok thx guys. I love to have different opinions on 1 phone (which are actually 3 different ones)
And yes I plan to earn my money back by dropping it into a glass of water
I saw a second hand one with scratches on the screen for 160€. Now this is another stupid thing, I want one with no scratches which actually doesn't make any sense does it? Why would you want to buy a landrover jeep from somebody that doesn't have a single scratch or dent on it.
Well go for it on Amazon.
I think the Prices are ok. But just have a view
Defy: http://www.amazon.de/Motorola-Smartphone-Touchscreen-wassergeschützt-staubdicht/dp/B00429ZAUK
Defy +: http://www.amazon.de/Motorola-Smart...gapixel/dp/B005DZ1S8K/ref=tag_stp_s2_edpp_url
lukesan said:
Ok thx guys. I love to have different opinions on 1 phone (which are actually 3 different ones)
And yes I plan to earn my money back by dropping it into a glass of water
I saw a second hand one with scratches on the screen for 160€. Now this is another stupid thing, I want one with no scratches which actually doesn't make any sense does it? Why would you want to buy a landrover jeep from somebody that doesn't have a single scratch or dent on it.
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Yeah right. Why should I buy a new toothbrush if I could get the used one for free
Definitely go for defy+, for "+" means something more
Ok guys, after a extreemly difficult mathematical calculation of which one you guys liked the most I just bought myself a refurbished (ow boy) defy+ on ebay.
New adventure coming up it seems.
Thx all and have a fantastic weekend!
I would also definitely advice to go for Moto Defy and not Defy+ with red lens because most ROMS are made for Defy and so have a huge amount of support and updates for the phone. And Defy+ is just a factory overclocked Defy with a better battery!
Once you get the defy, please do post your comments on how you feel about its waterproof properties.
I'm picking up a 1 yr old Nexus S. What are the things I should look for - other than obvious physical damage?
And the model I'll get is i9023 - does that model have any problems wrt custom ROM support etc? Or do all ROMs work for both i9020a/t and i9023?
Former Galaxy S2 owner here, so please let me know your Nexus S-specific tips, and fav ROM+kernel combo (prioritizing good battery life).
Also, any slim extended battery(not the ones with bulky extra rear plate) you recommend?
first of all, look for some scratches.
ROMs work with the 9023, too.
well, test it out.
Every ROM I've tried has given me pretty much the same exact screen on time if I really use the phone heavily( almost 4 hours on a good day). This phone doesn't have phenomenal life compared to other phones I've had, but I can make it through a normal work day. No one ROM fits everybody and you're honestly better off searching and experimenting(the joys of having a Nexus device!).
If you're looking for just a stock ROM with a few tweaks here and there, Bugless Beast may be what you're looking for, or Crossbones IIRC. Customizations, which is what Android is all about, you may be better looking at Cyanogenmod, AOKP, Codename Android(CNA), and a crap ton of others.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1171
As for the phone's problems, eh, I had an issue with my microphone. Not sure what was exactly wrong with it. I think the noise screen was messing something up or it was dirty. I ended up opening my phone and cleaning the piece. That was the only problem with mine(got it secondhand too). These phones also have an issue with their power buttons, so make sure that's good before you commit, although there are fixes on here for that. Make sure the phone is legit and not stolen I guess. lol.
Umm how to check for stolen phones?
Anyway the guy I'm getting it from works at a Samsung office itself, so I guess it is not quite as risky as the usual stranger-in-an-ally thing...
Quite few here, had problems with power button.
sumeshpremraj said:
Umm how to check for stolen phones?
Anyway the guy I'm getting it from works at a Samsung office itself, so I guess it is not quite as risky as the usual stranger-in-an-ally thing...
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I guess if you were to try to activate it, it would let the person at the desk know. I forgot to add, kernels and governors will effect the battery life along with screen brightness(duh). I prefer ondemand over anything else.
Will experiment kernels, governor etc, I was changing ROMs daily until I found a good combo when I had the S2.
What were you saying about the 'desk'? This is an unlocked phone, so I'm not sure if even activation is required (didn't have any on my previous unlocked phones).
Oh, and any specific brand of extended batteries (specifically those with same dimensions as the original) you'd recommend?
See if don´t have any problems of lost IMEI...
Make sure the power button is in good shape, nice and clicky. These things are notorious for power button failures, and let me tell you it sucks
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Will check for power button, saw quite a few threads re the infamous button failure.
How do I check if the phone is stolen, any website to look up IMEI? I'll check if IMEI in settings and on the box matches.
@sumeshpremraj
How much did you get it for? (INR)
whats up with box and all accessories?
Even I am planning to get one used.
abrarabbu said:
@sumeshpremraj
How much did you get it for? (INR)
whats up with box and all accessories?
Even I am planning to get one used.
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13k INR, including box and accessories (no warranty left).
I personally think all custom ROMs are crap and do the same one way another
The only ROMs useful are:
Codename Android
Cyanogenmod
MIUI (http://www.miuiandroid.com) > they have multi language
Pete's Bugless ROM
But I found all ICS ROMs having a certain issue with the Nexus S with my messaging application crashing. That's why I went with MIUI. It was the only ICS based ROM not crashing.
The best kernel is Air Kernel for Nexus S. The rest is significantly slower. With stock ICS you won't notice much difference. But with resource-heavy MIUI it's plain noticeable
It's possible the bug I mentioned is fixed in latest ICS releases. I haven't looked.
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I personally think all custom ROMs are crap and do the same one way another
The only ROMs useful are:
Codename Android
Cyanogenmod
MIUI (http://www.miuiandroid.com) > they have multi language
Pete's Bugless ROM
But I found all ICS ROMs having a certain issue with the Nexus S with my messaging application crashing. That's why I went with MIUI. It was the only ICS based ROM not crashing.
The best kernel is Air Kernel for Nexus S. The rest is significantly slower. With stock ICS you won't notice much difference. But with resource-heavy MIUI it's plain noticeable
It's possible the bug I mentioned is fixed in latest ICS releases. I haven't looked.
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Thanks for the detailed reply, I understood as much about custom ROMs in my time on Galaxy S2.
I'll be trying Boot to Gecko first, just for the heck of it, then MIUI, bugless beast, CNA and CM9 in that order.
Thought of trying Matr1x, Trinity etc. but will add Air to the list of kernels.
Got the Nexus S 12 hrs ago, power button is fine so I remapped power off to search key and made volume buttons awake it.
Tried Bugless beast, slimICS, CM9 and settled on the latter. Have to try out Boot to Gecko, Jelly Bean and MIUI v4 when I get time later this weekend.
Still don't have an slim extended battery, but I'm happy with the battery life so far that I'm having second thoughts on buying one.
Glad you like it. Enjoy! Happy flashing! :beer:
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Yep that's the reason why I moved to Nexus S (after getting frustrated about lack of stable ICS ROMs on S2 back in the day)...
Basically reiterating what everyone else has said. I also got my Nexus S 2nd hand and I've had it for about 6 months now (coming from a nexus one) and I love it, other than I miss the trackball (I know I'm strange) for waking and LED purposes. Power button being clicky is a must. Obvious scratch marks, etc.
I've played around with many ROMS in my 6 months with my Nexus S. (Codename, Bugless, AOKP, CM9) After trying CM9 RC1 just recently for about 2-3 weeks, I finally just gave in and came back to AOKP (now build 40) and am loving it right now. AOKP just has really nice style, especially with this mod/theme. (thanks mixtapes)
Kernels: I love Voodoo sound/color, it really makes the phone both look beautiful and sound amazing, especially if you have good headphones/speakers. BLN (Back Light Notification) is a must for me as well in a kernel. I really like matr1x right now, tried air kernel few builds back and it was also nice.
Hope this helps Can't wait for JB.
Cheers.
Make sure the GPS works. I bought a second hand one and the GPS was faulty.
Hey, guys!
So, I know that internally Milestone2 and DEFY/DEFY+ are the same (chipset, CPU, GPU, camera module) and I'm absolutely okay with that. Latest CM10 builds work incredibly good on the DEFY. So, I know I would be happy with Milestone2 on CM10 experience pretty much the same
But! Other than internals... How good is the Milestone2? How good is the build quality? Are there some common failures that occur? Is the keyboard good? The keyboard sliding mechanism is built to last?
I really love my DEFY+, but I would LOVE to have the actual keyboard. Other than that, i see that M2 has a dedicated camera button, that's a nice touch, too
Please share some experience! And no need for anyone to tell me that it's old/outdated, it's still a good phone and it's definitely good enough for me, so please no recommendations on other phones, just your experiences with the M2! :fingers-crossed:
If you just use CM10 its ok..
Milestone 2 have not too much modding like Defy+ (on roms variation).
And the keyboard for me is fine.. some user sometimes have a debounce problem but its has a "apk" solution
Sorry for my English
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JoseBerga said:
If you just use CM10 its ok..
Milestone 2 have not too much modding like Defy+ (on roms variation).
And the keyboard for me is fine.. some user sometimes have a debounce problem but its has a "apk" solution
Sorry for my English
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CM10 is all I need, yes, and since I see that the builds are pretty much the same as the one for DEFY (how could they not be, it's the same hardware) I know it'll be great
Debounce problem... Please explain more, I have no idea what that means
Thanks for the reply!
*EDIT* Got it! Debounce = double pressing Okay. I guess it doesn't happen on new phones? Cause I'm looking at buying a new one. But since there is a fix available anyway... Not a big issue, I'd say!
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CM10 is all I need, yes, and since I see that the builds are pretty much the same as the one for DEFY (how could they not be, it's the same hardware) I know it'll be great
Debounce problem... Please explain more, I have no idea what that means
Thanks for the reply!
*EDIT* Got it! Debounce = double pressing Okay. I guess it doesn't happen on new phones? Cause I'm looking at buying a new one. But since there is a fix available anyway... Not a big issue, I'd say!
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there is a fix that SOLVES the problem for sure.
Search for "MS2 Debounce-debug.apk"
I bought MS2 because at that time it was the only smartphone with stand alone GPS and real keyboard (big +).
That means you have GPS and don't have to make data traffic in roaming , can be pretty expensive if you travel around continent.
Dropped a few times on stone floor , wood floor , > survived . The mechanism is bent on one side due to excessive pressure, still works.
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Dropped a few times on stone floor , wood floor , > survived . The mechanism is bent on one side due to excessive pressure, still works.
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So it's bent because of the drops or because of usage (how old is it, if this is the case?) or every M2 is just like that since brand new? If it's like that since it comes out of the factory... Does it disturb the usage anyhow?
Thank you!
Is 2 years old , comes OK from factory , mine is bent because is under my ass sometimes
Does not disturb the usage, but the space between the 2 sides, is not that equal as it was out of the box.
I'm 84kg ,... if this is relevant ))))))
tectonik said:
Is 2 years old , comes OK from factory , mine is bent because is under my ass sometimes
Does not disturb the usage, but the space between the 2 sides, is not that equal as it was out of the box.
I'm 84kg ,... if this is relevant ))))))
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I'm 64kg, so I guess it would sustain my a$$ a bit better (no offense intended, of course!)
It's sounds like it's (the phone ) tough enough for me (not meaning just my a$$)
*EDIT* A question I forgot earlier... How's the battery? I see that it's merely 1400mAh, which is smaller than the standard DEFY one (1540mAh) and I guess I'm kinda used to my + version (1700mAh) :/
The specs say that M2 has got a lot longer stand-by and talk times than the DEFY, though. How is that possible?
mine is 1390mAh , what can I say ,.... I'm charging once in 2/3 days ... sometimes 4 i guess ,.. but u have to replace stock froyo for that.
Sure you can run empty in less than 1 day if 5/6 applications are running on wireless + display + keyboard used for hours.
I don't talk to much, twice a day would be average+ 1 or 2 hours of wireless / day . For the rest of the time wireless and background data are off.
Alarm rings & vibrates every morning for at least 30 min ))) once in 5 minutes, or 10 ?? I will never find out I guess , I'm too sleepy )
Scheduled airplane mode from 2:30 a.m. to 8:00 a.m.
Hope it helps
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I'm 64kg, so I guess it would sustain my a$$ a bit better (no offense intended, of course!)
It's sounds like it's (the phone ) tough enough for me (not meaning just my a$$)
*EDIT* A question I forgot earlier... How's the battery? I see that it's merely 1400mAh, which is smaller than the standard DEFY one (1540mAh) and I guess I'm kinda used to my + version (1700mAh) :/
The specs say that M2 has got a lot longer stand-by and talk times than the DEFY, though. How is that possible?
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The battery is not great, specially after a few dozens rom flashing around the clock and different tries, but there is a 2400mah battery the same size as the original one you can find around and it's cheap (it was something like 9/10£ with shipping for me, despite me living outside uk) that i'm testing right now.
Battery duration is quite better, and the battery is detected normally for charge capacity, prediction and such.
On top of that people messed around/tried different governors/voltages and got an undervolt setting that gives quite good result and is stable.
Overall the Tezet's CM10 (and sfc3001's CM9 despite a bit lagging behind now due to him being busy IRL) are really good and stable with a low number of bugs/problems that are *mostly* problems present on DEFY/DEFY+ because overall the MS2 CM roms are port of the Defy ones (with some tweaks like hardware acceleration, and so on coming from other Moto phones like the MS1 or the Atrix from memory).
Answer to your question is - No, don't buy it.
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Answer to your question is - No, don't buy it.
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Why?
Ashareth, thanks for the reply! :good:
Phones without moving parts are more reliable than phones using flex cables.
Debounce is not a problem here, simply because I don't use hw keyboard. Swype is faster than hw keyboard and since I don't open the m2, will be harder to break the lcd flex - that is essential to use the phone.
Hi
IMHO you get great value for a really cheap price. I paid 200€ without contract on amazon.de
basically because it was one of the very few available with HW keyboard. Non rooted I was very disappointed mainly
due to the low speed and bloatware. But performance and experience with CM10 is great!
Sum : Best HW keyboard phone for that price range
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Why?
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Poor battery, bad performance, no good rom alternatives. I got this phone to replace my old HTC Diamond, now I see that old htc was more reliable than this. MM2 is my first and last Motorola product that I paid for.
I still like the MS2 (hey, it's got a hw keyboard!), but I'm not too enthusiastic about CM10 on it.
I mean, I really appreciate tezet's current work (also sfc3001's CM9 before, and tezet's CM7), I love CM10 per se, but I think it's pushing too far the MS2: even with a 1.2GHz OC processor, smartassV2, SIO scheduler, and less than 30 apps installed it's sometimes almost too laggy for me.
When I open the dialer or the contacts app, I want it to launch (almost) immediately, not after seconds.
It also kills the possibility of a full multi-task operation, constantly having only 50-100MB free ram.
Anyway, if you decide to buy it, and you're not too addicted to CM10's bonuses (as I, sadly, am), I'd suggest to try CM7 by tezet, which IMHO can give you the best of this phone's hw-sw performance combo.
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I still like the MS2 (hey, it's got a hw keyboard!), but I'm not too enthusiastic about CM10 on it.
I mean, I really appreciate tezet's current work (also sfc3001's CM9 before, and tezet's CM7), I love CM10 per se, but I think it's pushing too far the MS2: even with a 1.2GHz OC processor, smartassV2, SIO scheduler, and less than 30 apps installed it's sometimes almost too laggy for me.
When I open the dialer or the contacts app, I want it to launch (almost) immediately, not after seconds.
It also kills the possibility of a full multi-task operation, constantly having only 50-100MB free ram.
Anyway, if you decide to buy it, and you're not too addicted to CM10's bonuses (as I, sadly, am), I'd suggest to try CM7 by tezet, which IMHO can give you the best of this phone's hw-sw performance combo.
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I'm +1 this. Totally agree.
CM10 is great (I'm also too much comfortable with CM10's features :/ ), but it IS slow. It is not that slow, as stock Froyo ROM of course (that was really pain in the... ), but I think CM10 is even slower than stock GB
(but hey! I have to say, that's not tezet's fault of course... JB is just too much for M2 HW probably...)
I would recommend CM7 too or stock GB (or ROMs based on it) if you don't rely on CM10 functions... I will probably go back to one of these too, since I really need (and like) speed and smoothness... CM10 is great, but definitely not fast or smooth - and I don't even mention the slowness, in case you are out of free RAM...
Cm7 in my opinion it's the best rom for our miles2. After the last update, the battery is much better than previous version.
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Honestly, as much as the MS2 is good (great) you should look out for another phone currently, because there is better (more recent) choices out there for roughly the same price.
If you buy it new, it's still prohibitive since most vendors still list it around 300€ new.
If it's used, unless you manage to find one under 100€ it's not worth it (most of them are sold close to 180/200€ from what i've seen).
You're better of going after a Galaxy Nexus/Galaxy SII if you don't need the hw keyboard. If you do need it it's another question since there is not much choices out there, and MS2 is still one of the best.
@ Ashareth: Sorry, but when you are talking about "better (more recent) choices out there for roughly the same price." - do you refer to smartphones in general
or with HW keyboard ?
In my opionion the choice of HW keyboard phones is very, very limited sadly. Not that I am trying to defend here the milestone 2, but I am seeking myself for a potential
alternative. My contract ends soon and I could get cheaply a new phone, but with HW keyboard ? Bummer, there is not much out there, especially outside the US
Another point, I would be interested in would be the speed of CM7. I am running CM10 at the moment but couldnt run CM7 due to 2.36 kernel. Is the speed comparable with the MS2Ginger ? Its the only one I tested so far ....
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Hey, guys!
So, I know that internally Milestone2 and DEFY/DEFY+ are the same (chipset, CPU, GPU, camera module) and I'm absolutely okay with that. Latest CM10 builds work incredibly good on the DEFY. So, I know I would be happy with Milestone2 on CM10 experience pretty much the same
But! Other than internals... How good is the Milestone2? How good is the build quality? Are there some common failures that occur? Is the keyboard good? The keyboard sliding mechanism is built to last?
I really love my DEFY+, but I would LOVE to have the actual keyboard. Other than that, i see that M2 has a dedicated camera button, that's a nice touch, too
Please share some experience! And no need for anyone to tell me that it's old/outdated, it's still a good phone and it's definitely good enough for me, so please no recommendations on other phones, just your experiences with the M2! :fingers-crossed:
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why do you want to buy a machine two years ago.Even it s just locked with a out-date system.
Hi there, I have a Defy and have been into flashing and CFWs for a long time. I love custom ROMs and stuff, and don't mind dealing with bugs or features missing to have an updated Android version on my phone. Question is, a friend of mine, who has a Defy+, wants to revamp her phone. She says it's buggy, sluggish and stuff on her 2.3 stock. So, I'd like to know you guys' opinion on the best ROM for "usual people"? I've been thinking of installing CM9 on her phone, since it gives all 4.x goodies without the cost of having Google Now eating up our phone's CPU and RAM (that's what has been happening with mine on CM10.1), and MS2Ginger might be a good option, too, but I think she won't be happy with a 2.3 ROM, since she wants to get rid of Gingerbread. Anyway, I'd like to hear your suggestions.
Thanks in advance
CM9 the way to go
I would have said CM7.2 or MS2ginger, but I didn't read the post fully:laugh:
Yes, I would recommend CM9/9.1, which is stable enough for daily use by an average joe. Everythings working fine (except maybe Wi-Fi tethering). But which dev's build, that's upto you.
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I would have said CM7.2 or MS2ginger, but I didn't read the post fully:laugh:
Yes, I would recommend CM9/9.1, which is stable enough for daily use by an average joe. Everythings working fine (except maybe Wi-Fi tethering). But which dev's build, that's upto you.
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Yeah, I'm divided exactly between MS2Ginger or CM9. I think MS2Ginger is stable, fast and offers nice features (like 720p recording), but 2.3 is jut too outdated by now (plus, my friend has a Defy+ and wants something better than stock GB, and I think putting even a highly customized GB on her phone will give a reverse-placebo effect: she'll ignore most of the performance improvements because the Android version is the same). CM9 seems to be OK, though, but i'll have to check on this "different devs" issue (I didn't even remember this issue existed, I've had Quarx's CM10/10.1 in my Defy for a loooong time now, since all features were useable).
Actually Epsylon's and Quarx's CM9 builds are almost the same, though it seems Epsylon stopped developing for the defy.
Epsylon added the 2ndboot feature in his CM9