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I don't know if its me, the device or just the screen. Cause my IPS screen on my nexus 7 is just not beating my Samsung galaxy s2,3 and my galaxy nexus's super amoled screen. The colors on the IPS just looks so washed out and plain if you compare it to a screen that has super amoled. Anyone done this yet? Compare the colors? Cause the screen just makes a huge difference lol. Unless my nexus 7 is defected.... I think it would have been a lot better if it was made by Samsung instead of Asus. Samsung super amoled just kills any other screens
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This does not have a great screen. It's a cheap tablet, lower your expectations.
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This does not have a great screen. It's a cheap tablet, lower your expectations.
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Even if it was 4-500$ I'd still buy it. I Love pure Google products
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Go watch Transformers at 40-50% brightness then come back. The screen is fine.
It isn't superb but rather alright.
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Even if it was 4-500$ I'd still buy it. I Love pure Google products
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No you wouldn't. If the N7 was sub 500....I wouldn't touch it I doubt the swarm thats attacking it would either. That's what sets it apart its price.
Its too barebones IMO to be that much. Plus build quality isn't up to par. (Glass isn't scratch resistant, Crap speakers, Flickering, At least a option for a Cell radio ect) all my opinion.
I even noticed a slight burn in too....
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Will be fix by custom rom
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It's higher resolution, but low brightness. Consider yourself a Best Buy salesman's dream customer.
Its ok for me bu not the best, but it can be fjxed with a future kernel(s). On the nexus there is franco and trinity kernel. With them i cn adjust colour
Red
Green
Blue
There is gamma adjustment
And contrast adjustment.
With all of these you can get your personal setting. It wont be long before we start to see ths kind of stuff for the n7.
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Yeah. The price is just right for a device like this. I wasn't saying I didn't like it. I love it!!!
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leelaa said:
Its ok for me bu not the best, but it can be fjxed with a future kernel(s). On the nexus there is franco and trinity kernel. With them i cn adjust colour
Red
Green
Blue
There is gamma adjustment
And contrast adjustment.
With all of these you can get your personal setting. It wont be long before we start to see ths kind of stuff for the n7.
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These kinds of adjustments are only possible on AMOLED screens.
Super amoled screens are not the best.
The HTC EVO 4G LTE has the best screen in the market now. Just saying..
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Tegra 3 has some battery saving feature called PRISIM/DIDIM which boosts colors/contrast in order to reduce backlight consumption. There doesn't appear to be a way to disable it. When I watch a movie for 30 secs or so and return to the home screen I notice that the boosted colors/contrast still remains until I power off the screen. I hope Nvidia and Google make the feature optional by way of a firmware update. Other than that the tablet is quite decent.
Am I the only one who isn't keen on the superamoledplusomgwtfbbq screens?
After using my N7 and going back to my GS2 I think it looks way too over saturated and just a little bit ridiculous. I much prefer the screen on this, amoled screens to me look like when you're photoshopping a picture and accidentally slip while adjusting the saturation and set it to max.
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The Nexus 7 uses the same beautiful, amazing screen as the 3rd generation iPad. The N7 has a lower native resolution obviously, but the underlying technology is identical between both devices.
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The Nexus 7 uses the same beautiful, amazing screen as the 3rd generation iPad. The N7 has a lower native resolution obviously, but the underlying technology is identical between both devices.
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Not at all. If you compare colour contrast and saturation between the two, you'll notice that the Nexus 7 looks much less vibrant than the new iPad.
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Not at all. If you compare colour contrast and saturation between the two, you'll notice that the Nexus 7 looks much less vibrant than the new iPad.
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This should simply be because the new iPad has a higher pixel density than the Nexus 7. Higher pixel densities lead to higher color saturation since there's less empty space between the pixels and more colorful pixels to fill that space. The underlying screen technology should still be the same (IPS).
I really don't like the amoled screens. Their colour accuracy is just horrible. Cracking the saturation to 11 does not make a screen good. The amoleds on S2s that I've seen have all kinds of horrible colour casting. White is a sort of blueish colour. Give me a decent IPS panel any day of the week.
I've always been a bit fussy about colour accuracy. Calibrize is a good little programme for the PC that lets you get the colours roughly right.
This thing is competing with the Kindle Fire and whatever they bring out. It's a "Play Store" device, pushing magazines and books. It's perfect for it's purpose.
Open up a book on this thing and it looks great. Crisp and sharp text, even if the home screen does look a little under saturated.
Agreed, Home screen is is not well saturated. Netflix and several other apps look very well saturated. I would say its pretty typical for IPS.
Nothing beats amoled for contrast/blacks though.
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Hi all,
I've been reading about how the Nexus 7's display is actually quite good, but that it's been very poorly factory calibrated. Is anyone working on a kernel or mod to address this and/or allow us to tune the display to our preferences? Like many others, I find it's great for text, but rather washed out and desaturated for photos and other color-dependent uses. I'm hoping something like Voodoo Color will be available soon.
Still a great device, but this is #1 on my wishlist at the moment!
Same here. I love everything about this tablet except for the color calibration. I want to get my colors a little more over saturated (ala G-Nex style). Pictures don't look as vivid as they should, and even small stuff like the color of the battery gauge seems off. On my N7 display at least, it seems like it's greens, yellows and blues are washed out.
Aye, its done to budget tablets to make them look brighter, shame they had to do it to the nexus, its a awesome screen though. Der kernel (trinity) is looking into it (they had a gnex colour mod)
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How would that work at the kernel level?
Hi!
im going to get the N10 in the next week and the first thing i will do because im a color junkie is a calibration test so se how close/far it is from
reference.
i have been into hardware calibration for displays for some years so i see myself as a pro.
i have X-Rite Display 3 Colorimeter and Chroma Pure calibration program.
http://www.chromapure.com/
the test patterns i use is from AVSHD709
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
i have already calibrated my LG Infinia LED TV to reference quality,so if only the right (ISF/CMS) settings is there i can calibrate any display to near reference quality.
but its all about the settings how much you can change.
so the question is:
is there a App that i can change the RGB values and saturation/hue also gamma settings?
or do i need to get a custom rom?
i know some custom roms for the SG2 has some screen/gamma adjustments in EX tweaks.
if its not i will still post the results from the calibration so you can check it out to see how good/bad calibrated the Nexus 10 is
Edit: i just found one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745248
but i need this for the N10
Theres an app in the play store called Screen Adjuster that allows to change RGB, contrast, brightness but requires root. Been wanting to try it but I cant root my tablet as my pc wont recognize my tablet in fastboot.
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aznmode said:
Theres an app in the play store called Screen Adjuster that allows to change RGB, contrast, brightness but requires root. Been wanting to try it but I cant root my tablet as my pc wont recognize my tablet in fastboot.
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Just tried it out and it seemed to slow down the tablet.
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Just tried it out and it seemed to slow down the tablet.
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Try not to use contrast if you don't need it. That's what's slowed my galaxy s3 down
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Apps on the market only apply a filter on top of the screen. You're going to want a kernel with proper color calibration support to prevent performance loss.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/2
Here's anandtech's review of tablet displays.
vitaminxero said:
Apps on the market only apply a filter on top of the screen. You're going to want a kernel with proper color calibration support to prevent performance loss.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/2
Here's anandtech's review of tablet displays.
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thanks for the link
interesting
damn the Nexus 10 is WAY off in the Gamut Chart!
how the hell can they release a screen thats is so off?
surley needs some calibration there
fix a kernel with RGB adjustments and i will fix a calibration that is better than on the iPad4.
after that you can just copy the settings and BOOM you have a reference display.
(that is if the screens dont differ to much)
i have the tools and the Knowlegde to calibrate displays but zippo knowlegde in hacking kernels
so Kernel Experts
MAKE IT HAPPEND!
Edit: first thing you will start with is the grayscale
when the grayscale is right (whites is white and not blue) then automatic you have your 6500k color temp (6500kelvin is messured from daylight in california if someone wants to know)
Also the Gamut is adjusted in position.
so its easy
with a correct grayscale everything (almost) else becomes right on spot.
one setting that they dont test there is Gamma
gamma at 2.2 is important if you want to see all details in darker parts of movies or photos.
gamma is adjusted with all three sliders Red/Green/Blue locked
So what i need is RGB adjustments and Saturation/HUE adjustments if its possible
comon hackers
we must beat the iPad!
If you want to have ICC support in kernel you've to ask a kernel dev. But I don't think that someone will implement this feature. Because the majority of users doesn't know or care about correct colors.
As the test results of your linked page show the N10 reaches a "good" neutral in white, gray and black. But the contrast is very low and by calibrating and profiling it you'll reduce it more. You've to calibrate D65 at 120 - 140 cd and after this to write a correction profile especially for blue and violet tones.
Apple does such things because their customers want to have and need good colors. But I don't see a market for android users. Photoshop touch is crap and there is no other "real" graphics suite / app. Given gamut is okay for daily use, e.g. viewing movies and surfing around the web.
So, don't be disappointed if your wish to cailbrate and profile the N10 won't be possible at all. An google seems not to have plans for ICC support in android, see https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-developers/Ifnsdbkqxqo
The only thing that really seems off is that it has very washed out purples. Its fine other than that. It strange as it can display blue and red just fine.
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If you want to have ICC support in kernel you've to ask a kernel dev. But I don't think that someone will implement this feature. Because the majority of users doesn't know or care about correct colors.[/url]
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Fortunately a lot of devs seems to think different seeing the amount of stuff they've coded that average Joe doesn't know or care about.
I for one would love to see the OP succeed as i see nothing wrong with getting better colour accuracy on my N10.
I personally really hope that a color calibration app/kernel becomes available.....devs PLEASE make it happen!! I like the punchy (albeit 'ficticious') colors of the amoLED display on my Galaxy Note....Please devs, give us the option to control/enhance the color of the Nexus 10's screen!
Another shout for some calibration tools on the nexus 10. All my main displays are calibrated & it's quite a shock to pick up my nexus 10 & the see the washed out colours
Indeed, the guy who mentioned the fact that the average Joe doesn't care about color reproduction is forgetting the fact that not a single one of us here is an average consumer, I also own an iPad 3 and I really loathe the washed out look on our display, the iPad looks very similar to the calibration I have on my Sony TV while the nexus looks almost like a color less gray when its put beside them, they all look like crap when you put them besides my SGS 2 though, all I really need to be completely happy with my Nexus would be a way to calibrate our screens, I have already pretty much given the iPad to my little sister but I hate to admit that the colors there look much much better than on the Nexus.
And by loathe I mean that I completely hate and despise it, such a great display ruined by the damn color calibration, the option should be built into Android for ****s sake.
PLEASE devs make it happen, color calibration seems to be an issue shared between all of the recent Nexus devices, for example, the screen on the Nexus 4 doesn't look as good as the one on the LG Optimus G (Or so I've read)
It's a shame Google are apathetic on this issue. Users that want do photo work are forced to go to Apple. Small OT aside: It's the same deal with audio creation apps/interfaces, Google doesn't care. I'd rather set my sites on Ubuntu.
Another vote for getting some kind of good calibration tool for the N10. I can put up with a lot, but the black levels are killing me. I would even put up with some loss of detail if I could get better black levels.
So... Guys, how can we contact Google to ask them to fix this themselves or do something so we can fix it ourselves?
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So... Guys, how can we contact Google to ask them to fix this themselves or do something so we can fix it ourselves?
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i will search tomorrow
but isnt this a problem for samsung?
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i will search tomorrow
but isnt this a problem for samsung?
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Nah, the screen on the Nexus 4 doesn't look as good as the one in the Optimus G and the screen on the 7 is kind of washed out from what I've read, and from past experience I've seen that Samsung tends to calibrate their screens pretty nice, (albeit a bit saturated) on factory settings across all devices.
Hope someone can sort out the black levels, watching movies the blacks look grey specially with Dark Knight! Tried all sorts of things but nowt helping!
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Nah, the screen on the Nexus 4 doesn't look as good as the one in the Optimus G and the screen on the 7 is kind of washed out from what I've read, and from past experience I've seen that Samsung tends to calibrate their screens pretty nice, (albeit a bit saturated) on factory settings across all devices.
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It's a shame for Google not calibrating any of their screens. Nexus 4 has those ugly washed colors, same with the nexus 10. And black levels, despite as many synthetic tests you will post (anandtech etc) are quite bad.
I'm so sure this is software... and 0 upgrades from Google. Its ok they will push next version of android as soon as avaliable, but nothing else, no OTAs for bug fixing. Any other brand would have already pushed several upgrades to new devices, bugs appear and samsung, htc etc gives you solutions (not always, but...)
Excuse my ignorance, but how great of a screen is the N7 supposed to be in comparison to some of the higher end smartphones out there in terms of color reproduction and saturation?
I have the HTC One, and side by side comparisons of the same image makes the N7 look washed out and bland.
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Excuse my ignorance, but how great of a screen is the N7 supposed to be in comparison to some of the higher end smartphones out there in terms of color reproduction and saturation?
I have the HTC One, and side by side comparisons of the same image makes the N7 look washed out and bland.
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That remains to be seen until LaptopMag or Displaymate or someone with the tools can accurately measure it, but reviews so far point out that both brightness and colors are very good on the device.
Be cool if ISF calibration could be implemented into tablets & phones.
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Be cool if ISF calibration could be implemented into tablets & phones.
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Didnt the N4 have some color correction tuneable built into the kernel? Since the N7 mk2 is on a similar SOC, I was hoping for the same.
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Didnt the N4 have some color correction tuneable built into the kernel? Since the N7 mk2 is on a similar SOC, I was hoping for the same.
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The N4 color out of the box was terrible. Not to long after launch a few devs implemented a much better solution baked into their kernels. I would expect the same here. The N4 gamma and color is brilliant now
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It's pretty good on par with iPad 4 according to Anandtech and Apple is known for having good calibration. But then again, just a matter of time when we can calibrate it ourselve like the Nexus 4.
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Excuse my ignorance, but how great of a screen is the N7 supposed to be in comparison to some of the higher end smartphones out there in terms of color reproduction and saturation?
I have the HTC One, and side by side comparisons of the same image makes the N7 look washed out and bland.
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I agree with you completely. I have an HTC One X and immediately thought the 2013 N7 looked pale in comparison. Hopefully there's some resolution in the future.
I have a Note 8 and a Nexus 7.
On colors with green elements displayed on the Nexus 7, the entire photo takes on a distinct greenish hue. The black level on the N7 is not very dark, either.
I set up both tablets on the floor, mounted a camera on a tripod over them and took photos.
Attached are some detail shots of flowers and our dog showing the green wash and the bright blacks. I certainly hope that this is something which can be addressed in software.
http://s13.postimg.org/j1wxfi1d3/1_to_1_detail_nexus_7_top_note_8_bottom.jpg
(fullsize image; nex 7 images at top, note 8 at bottom)
thumbnail preview attached.
I would definitely want to look at the N7 side by side with something else at the shop before buying one, or else be ready to return it if you have trouble with the color accuracy once you get one home.
Not everyone will care, of course.
But what I've seen in reviews is that brightness is good but color is not very accurate, not that both are good.
roustabout,
thank you for that.
that proves my point from other threads, the N7 screen is not properly calibrated yet again.
Overall, it seems pretty good to me. I compared it to my Spyder calibrated IPS monitor and the colors were fairly close.
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The N4 color out of the box was terrible. Not to long after launch a few devs implemented a much better solution baked into their kernels. I would expect the same here. The N4 gamma and color is brilliant now
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They managed to bake it because LG left some display colors related things in the kernel. That said I would like to see if asus made the same thing for this device. (hopefully)
The view angles and color are excellent on it. Much better than the first nexus 7 and a million times better than the nexus 4.
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The view angles and color are excellent on it. Much better than the first nexus 7 and a million times better than the nexus 4.
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That's what I've found: it looks a lot better than my Nexus 7 2012. I think it gets slammed a lot for being "bland" since most of the smartphones like to oversaturate their displays (I'm looking at you, Samsung). I have a really good IPS monitor for my computer, and it seems to fit in quite well with it, and it makes my Galaxy S4 screen look like a colorful kid's toy.
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They managed to bake it because LG left some display colors related things in the kernel. That said I would like to see if asus made the same thing for this device. (hopefully)
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Asus provides a screen calibration in the setting on the Asus Padfone 2 & Infinity (Stock). So its likely possible.
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Asus provides a screen calibration in the setting on the Asus Padfone 2 & Infinity (Stock). So its likely possible.
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Pretty sure the issue with the first generation nexus 7 was that nvidia didn't provide a way to set these things. Qualcomm I believe does so the odds are pretty good. I personally like the stock calibration though. The first time I think its been good on a nexus device. The panel itself is much better than the nexus 10 and nexus 4 as well. Much wider view angles.
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Asus provides a screen calibration in the setting on the Asus Padfone 2 & Infinity (Stock). So its likely possible.
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Pretty sure the issue with the first generation nexus 7 was that nvidia didn't provide a way to set these things. Qualcomm I believe does so the odds are pretty good. I personally like the stock calibration though. The first time I think its been good on a nexus device. The panel itself is much better than the nexus 10 and nexus 4 as well. Much wider view angles.
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Ok well I just hope it was some fail from nvidia's part over here. I just imagine what would be the colors because it seems when I listen to this, it's like a new display has been made. XD
I I find the screen amazing, as u can see although not as good as 2012 the whites are good, but what's with the yellows, there very dark and muggy. Anyone else find this?
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No display is ever "accurate." The question is which colors of the spectrum are closest. Here's the N10.1-14 (left) against the N3 (right).
Here's my N3 displaying the same yellow background as my N10.1-14
And actually the N10.1-14 does better than the N10.1-12 on whites; at least the example Anandtech tested.
i noticed my Google Keep and IMDB icons were alot darker than on my old touchpad
Ah Ah ok just checking, not like people really look at yellow unless highlighting pages
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Ah Ah ok just checking, not like people really look at yellow unless highlighting pages
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This is from Anandtech's review of the N5. There's been lots of grumbling in their forum about "washed out" colors.
It’s interesting to hear some Nexus 5 users complain that the display seems undersaturated, since that kind of end user feedback reflects subjective comparison. It also suggests to me that a large percentage of the population doesn’t know what some colors or system elements actually should be. Even for me, looking at the green elements inside the Google Play store on the Note 3 in movie mode or Nexus 5 initially seemed slightly more muted than normal. The reality is that this is what they actually should look like. We’ve just become accustomed to their oversaturated appearance on virtually every other device.
This kind of expectation about what looks right and what doesn’t is rather telling for the state of display calibration in Android handsets, and how OEMs have used oversaturated colors to increase retail shelf appeal. Unfortunately the reality is that oversaturated colors do seem to win taste tests among shoppers, the same way that TVs in most big boxes do. We’ve been looking at them for so long that well calibrated displays like Nexus 5 initially do look noticeably different.So I don't know if the N10.1-14's yellows are closer to "right" or not but they are certainly close to the N3's. I'll admit I like oversaturated colors even though I know they aren't real. Assuming the N10.1-14's movie mode is closer to natural like the N3's try using it for a bit. It does look washed out even though it's technically more correct. Exaggerated colors on a small display actually have an advantage via greater separation from each other making things easier to view. At least IMHO.
I I think most colours are pretty natural on this, which you find with lcd. I love the screen though
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