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Why do people keep upgrading ROMS?

I know I am going to cause some trouble by asking this but why?
On taking my new Orange SPV M600 out of the box, I have to agree a bit sluggish, but this was mainly due to Windows.
After a little tweaking with the registry and some third party software it is now flying.
I originally thought that putting third party software over the top of the system would slow it even more, but know, the opposite was true. Using the standard windows task bar and start menu was dreadful. I tried a number of third party softwares such as True Toolbar, Handyswitcher etc, finally settling on Wisbar deluxe.
Everything now opens as soon as it is selected no nasty lag like windows. With some skinning and removal of Customised Today the phone looks great and is performing great. That is apart from my wired hands free. I can now answer and close calls with the button, but it does not activate voice dial when pressed, so I can't dial out hands free. All prevoius phones, Nokia and SE did this no problem, so why not this phone?
Anyway, back to the point of ROMS, why keep flashing?

I just got me one of those SPV M600 things and its not that slow, but I havent added anything else to it yet. Would you care to elaborate on "registry tweaks"? Im new to XDA/phones and havent started messing about yet.

I can not remember all of the tweaks I used, but there is a big section somewhere in here listing them. I have them somewhere on the computer but my filing is a mess and I can't remember what I called the text file or where I put it.
Basically the tweaks are just simple things like increasing cache size for fonts, programs etc. Moving file storage off main memory to SD card, disabling and enabling etc. It is claimed by doing this that the system will speed up a little. I am not sure if any of these actually did anything or if it is just down to Wisbar. All I can say is that when I click on a program it fires up straight away, before it could take a second or two.

Spenner said:
I just got me one of those SPV M600 things and its not that slow, but I havent added anything else to it yet. Would you care to elaborate on "registry tweaks"? Im new to XDA/phones and havent started messing about yet.
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check out this tread and application
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=39725&highlight=easy+tweaking
good luck
R

Actually, the rule about flashing is: If it's not broken don't fix it.
People upgrade because they want to get rid of bugs or add features like AKU 2.0 that includes push mail and some other stuff.
Also some brands are better that others in some ways, and worse in other ways. There are several ROMs for the Prophet: Dopod, i-mate, Qtek, Orange. Finally some people cook their own ROMs throwing out useless stuff and adding apps they 'must have'.
All in all if you are pleased with your phone there is no need to change the ROM. When I got my Jamin it had the i-mate 1.xx ROM so I upgraded to 2.13 to get the AKU 2.0 goodies.

I always belive the latest is the greatest, even if its not. I still run the latest. While the release notes say "Added this, fixed that" they also contain a lot of fixes and changes not documented.

Hi all.
Thats actually a very good question. From my experience you dont really need to change anything. Maybe as you said some registry tweaking or some basic settings. However as someone already said, the golden rule should be if it is not broken dont try to fix it.
On the other hand you might want to change things with no reason, just because you can.. and I have to admit that it is hard not to do. Then you have to make sure that you know what you are doing cause otherwise you might end up spending your day in forums try to fix whatever you &^%$ up..
Take care.

Thanks for the replies.
I have to admit, when I first got the phone I started tweaking, then I found this forum and others. Once I discovered unlocking and flashing ROMS, I was very close to doing it. Then I remembered what I used to be like on my PC. With old systems like Win ME, I used to spend about 70% of my time tweaking and fixing, and only 30% actually using the damn thing. Not what I want out of a phone.
Just by messing around with skins, I have already managed to lose my phone dialer all together, I was left with a blank screen, so I had a phone that could not phone. I have it nicely skinned and running now, but I was never able to get the Orange dialer back.
Guess the only time I will flash my ROM is when there is a genuine update and it is covered by warranty, that way if the ROM is bad, Orange can give me another phone.
Thanks

I look at it same way as i look at windows.
My windows isn't broke but I always use Windows Update.
Why do YOU update windows, if you do at all. I guess im not sure if this is advisable, but that's just the way i do it.
Regarding upgrading ROM, MOST of the time, it makes the device faster and adds more features ( i never install extended ROM ) so I always upgrade when there is a new one.
I've downgraded ONCE. And only the RADIO because 1.11 didn't agree with my device.
There are ways to Backup the device, change to a different BRAND/VERISON of ROM then restore the backup. This makes changing ROM very easy.
Anyway, I have nothing better to do with my time so i upgrade whenever a new ROM comes out.

Sorry to but in again but I simply must disagree with the Windows update analogy.
I have my PC set to auto update as well, but Windows XP runs updates in the background and doesn't delete you data in the process.
ROM upgrade means HARD RESET, and unless you have a good backup a long restore process.
Also there is the danger of communication / power interrupt during the flashing and a bricked device as a result.
Finlay, like with your radio ROM, some OS updates have new bugs as well as fixes for the old.
But I do wish it was as simple as updating windows - then I would say, update away, couldn't hurt.

My analogy was based only on the reason for updating, not the process itself that you are stating.
What I mean is if your windows works, why update?.... This thinking... Not the "ritual"...
Sorry i did not explain that clearly. The guy just asked why update if you are content with what you have.... It has nothing to do with "I would update only if the process were simpler" like what you stated.
Sorry for the misunderstanding

I upgrade because I can cook my own ROM with better application suite

Jorgee said:
What I mean is if your windows works, why update?.... This thinking... Not the "ritual"...
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Because it's full of holes and most of the updates are plugging them.

I think the main point is you dont have to upgrade, you can if you want, its a matter of choice.
I like to always update, some like to keep the same and have never hard reset in their life. Im on my 9th this week :S but it is a new device and im still figuring it all out.

TheBrit said:
Jorgee said:
What I mean is if your windows works, why update?.... This thinking... Not the "ritual"...
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Because it's full of holes and most of the updates are plugging them.
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Hmm, then i guess your advice to NewSPV is to upgrade.
Me too, as i said in earlier post, i will always upgrade to the newest ROM, then just downgrade if i don't like the changes. Unfortunately it isn't as easy to downgrade from Windows SP2 hehehe

Jorgee said:
TheBrit said:
Jorgee said:
What I mean is if your windows works, why update?.... This thinking... Not the "ritual"...
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Because it's full of holes and most of the updates are plugging them.
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Hmm, then i guess your advice to NewSPV is to upgrade.
Me too, as i said in earlier post, i will always upgrade to the newest ROM, then just downgrade if i don't like the changes. Unfortunately it isn't as easy to downgrade from Windows SP2 hehehe
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I was talking about Windows, not WM5.
My phone came shipped with an AKU2 rom and it's fine - after a little tweaking. I'm not going to risk bricking my pride and joy with a rom upgrade - as so many people have done already on this forum. :wink:

Can anyone name some good places to read about how to flash your device with a new ROM?
Also, I was wondering about what the "extended ROM" is. Is it basically partitioning part of your storage card for use as "internal memory" ?
Thanks for the info guys!

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Can anyone name some good places to read about how to flash your device with a new ROM?
Also, I was wondering about what the "extended ROM" is. Is it basically partitioning part of your storage card for use as "internal memory" ?
Thanks for the info guys!
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Look at the top left of this very page and you will see a link to the wiki section of this site. How to flash is in there.
The extended rom is where the operator adds thier own customisations (over and above what M$ provide) to the device, for example Orange and O2 add their own options in there and they install when the device is powered up for the first time or when it's hard reset. If you get access to the extended rom (again look in the wiki) you can manipulate what gets installed and if you're really clever, add some of your own stuff.
Don't ask me how to do these things as I have not tried myself, the risk of bricking the device is too great for my liking.

cool, thanks paul

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Don't ask me how to do these things as I have not tried myself, the risk of bricking the device is too great for my liking.
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Actually, it is virtually impossible to brick your device by manipulating the contents of the extended ROM. It is only accessed once, during first boot, and event that can be avoided by quickly soft resetting the device.
Basically it acts exactly like "file store" used to on WM 2003 devices, the only difference being it is hidden so ordinary users won't get rid of the operator junk.
In my case it was very nice of i-mate to provide various goodies there like voice dial (should be in ROM) anti virus (not only useless but damaging crap) Skype (could have just downloaded from their site, but nice thought) and backgammon (toys are always welcome).
But now ofter the initial installation it makes all the sense in the world to save these cabs (9MB~) to my PC and have extra 10 MB storage on the device.

Need a Guidance Counselor (LOL): How to ROM swap.

This could actually help others for I have read many threads and still don't have a clear HOW TO.
The Thread are for Elfs....from reading threads I GUESS I have an Elf(in)....My Box Reads:
HTC Touch [ROM: 256MB; SDRAM: 128MB DDR]
This is a Rogers branded Touch, grayish color. OS is Windows 6 Professional.
Now I have done some registry hacks, shut off animation and sounds (from TouchFlo too) and the Touch is far better than before, but I still find it somewhat laggy, when flipping through apps, eventhough I have the Task Manager off.
After reading many threads I have two routes that I would like help with:
- Being an Avid Palm programmer, who've done it all, including bricking one (lol), I know for a fact that a fresh, light ROM improves performance and makes the unit much zippier. So which ROM would be the best for me? There are so many around and i dunno which is best for my unit.
- Second, Should I just do the Windows Mobile 6.1 upgrade, and ride off into the sunset? will it make the unit much better than a custom ROM (i doubt it)...atleast the question is out here.
Lastly, I mainly use the Touch for checking emails, browsing on Wi-fi as well as my network providers'. I use the mobile office a lot, and the messenger as well. For internet browsing I use Netfront, but hope to compare it to the new IE. My aftermarket apps are: SPB Mobile Shell 2.0, Pocket CM, PCM Keyboard, SIP Change, and Advanced Config.
Hope this helps the more experienced members lend me a hand.
Cheers,
Paul

yes!! you should do a rom upfgrade my advice for you is to go with the swiftblades vblue elves rom on the upgrading thread on this great site its very easy for new comers to update their rom using this rom ...its a custom wm6.1 rom ~ so you can ride off into the sunset in style~ and yea 6.1 is alot better than 6,0 its got a threaded sms and it fixes the memory leak...
oh and if you have just post a reply on the forum you got the rom froum usually swiftblade himself will help who ever is having trouble and if he doesnt theres alot of other xda brothers and sisters that will help assist you were like a family here dont be affraid to ask questions theres no stupid questions just stupid people!!!! oh and stupid answers!! ~
and here you go i will help you out with the rom updating process it is very simple but worry some... the reason im saying use blue elves is because it has a cid unlocker built into the package... and it has very clear instructions!!!
FOR FIRST TIME CUSTOM ROM UPGRADERS:
1. Copy the Cert_SPCS.CAB and EnableRapi.CAB from the zip folder to your device's Storage Card.(###*** you dont have to do this step if you have allready used the sim unlocker program!!***###)
2. Install the two cabs to your Device memory and do a soft reset.
3. Restart your PC or laptop (Optional)
USING THE INTEGRATED ROM UPDATE UTILITY WITH USPL CID UNLOCKER:
(ATTENTION: REMOVE YOUR 4GB, 6GB or 8GB mircoSDHC CARD WHEN FLASHING THIS ROM!)
1. Turn off your computer's Anti-Virus software if you can. ( not nescary )
2. Activesync your device to your PC using USB port.
3. When the connection is completed (after synchronisation), double-click on [START] batch file to begin the integrated ROM Updating Utility.
4. Now follow closely the instructions that appear on the computer screen.
5. Press [ENTER] to accept at each prompt to continue the process.
6. After Step 2/3 of USPL CID Unlocker, the device screen will turns "blank white" and your activesync icon gray (in Windows XP only).
Congratulations! You have successfully CID unlocked your device. Press [ENTER] to proceed NOW!
(NB: If you failed to see the "blank white" screen, then your CID unlocking has failed.
Restart your installation process from Step No.1)
(####**** now dont panic if you dont get the white screen just soft reset your device sticking the tip of your styulus in the hole to the right of the usb port... then you may get the tri color loader dont panic just soft reset again then you may get a screen that will prompt you on a few things ###***your screen will not respond.... this is when you remember you have HARD KEYS!!!!! youll need to use them in this if you get it***### dont panic yet just continue pmce your started again set up active sync and start your process all over again!!! your phone shouldnt be bricked
7. Your device will now proceed to update your rom. Select and hit [NEXT] at each prompt to continue.
8. When the rom updating is completed at 100%, your device will restart automatically.
9. Congratz! You have successfully upgraded to a new rom.
Enjoy & Lots of Have Fun!
(((####****and remember this is why you DIDNT BUY AN IPHONE!!! ****####)))

Thank you very much Bereda, and thanks for such a warm welcome. My next question is....which of all the ROMS is the one that I want? I see several versions and only one says Touch on it, the rest say Elf, Elf(in), etc. Mine on the box says Touch, but in here it seems that the Elf is also the Touch, a bit confused...
Cheers,
Paul

i also recomand this rom.

I will go ahead and give it a go, as soon as I know which is the best ROM for my Equipment.
Thanks OmerS,
Paul

Beginner
I have no idea what I am doing. LOL. Why would I do a Rom upgrade??? And secondly where can I upgrade to WM 6.1. I have the HTC Touch..Please help!!!

AfflictedSatisfaction5, Welcome to the Club. A clean ROM eliminates many apps that one rarely uses, that consumes memory and normally are replaced by other third party apps. In General, a modified ROM runs quicker and better than the OE ROM.
You can find the WM 6.1 upgrade on the Microsoft Windows Mobile Site and take it from there OR Get a custom ROM with WM 6.1 already there.
I am just waiting to see which ROM is the one for my phone, since there are several variants of internal ROM memory (64, 128, 256, etc).
Cheers,
Paul

If you have a Rogers branded HTC Touch, BEFORE you do anything, try to dump your ROM. (Read around, you'll find how to do it). The community, including myself, been struggling with this for months. Thanks.

Evilmonkey...will search for ROM dumping...by the way, it IS a Rogers Branded HTC....BUT...my phone will not be used for Rogers network, but for a latin american company called Viva.
Cheers,
Paul

after u dump backup ur current rom.. i suggest u make up ur mind what u want for instance, there are many many variants of touch roms around here ranging from bare naked clean bases to fat boy mem hogging bloated ones.. u can check my thread for a clean base rom or try kokotas's new rom (its fresh) blue elves and shadow ce takes the cake like always
happy flashing

i didn't dump my rom and i have a rogers htc touch aka htc elfin... not elf so paul you have a elfin... and trust me stick with the custom roms theres no need to dump your rom due to the fact that theres like 20 of the "rogers" rom on here already just download a copy of it and your set... thats if you want to step backwards and go back to stock...if you get a stripped down rom from the windows mobile website you loose out on all the features that make this phone a touch and a iphone killer... i think its wrong to take out the cube and other programs that are made for the touch! these programs are why you bought a touch in the first place... its like buying a Lamborghini and taking the five speed and the v12 out of the car and replacing it with a automatic transmission and putting in a little 1.8 litter v4... like what would be the point of buying a Lamborghini if your going to make it just like all the other economy cars... plus you could have saved your self a ton of time and just bought a 318i bmw... and for the people that do strip it down to nothing, why didnt you just buy the htc p3300 plain and simple htc ppc like all the rest.

bereda said:
i think its wrong to take out the cube and other programs that are made for the touch! these programs are why you bought a touch in the first place
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instead of making judgements, i suggest you read the specifications and reasons mentioned by the great rom builders of xda in their threads why they have striped down their roms. people may buy touch so they can get a faster 201mhz device at economy prices
its like buying a Lamborghini and taking the five speed and the v12 out of the car and replacing it with a automatic transmission and putting in a little 1.8 litter v4... like what would be the point of buying a Lamborghini if your going to make it just like all the other economy cars... plus you could have saved your self a ton of time and just bought a 318i bmw
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i dont know anything in detail about cars but i'll still add my 2 cents. its more like buying a lamborghini and heavily tweaking it by stripping the parts and adding some, removing some and building a entirely new car out of that to suite each one's individual likes and dislikes. having done that you get a personalised car designed by your own hands and will n wish
for the people that do strip it down to nothing, why didnt you just buy the htc p3300 plain and simple htc ppc like all the rest
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two words for that one "MORE SPEED" i suggest you take a look at this http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=619&id2=947 and you'll find the answer why we dont buy p3300 against a touch. its good to retain the looks of the touch and have more speed like dual and more options for functionality as per our likes n dislikes
hope paul finds what he is looking out for. i personally dont advice and support picking up a rom from an expert and editing it to your tune. either use it as is or build your own rom happy cooking or flashing

Ha ha ha ha ha, thanks Bereda and thanks Ababrekar, and please...be nice
Bereda: Thanks for the explanation NOW i know my is an "ELFin", LOL, only knew it as a Touch. Thanks also for the tip...so I shouldn't dump it, i don't have a lot of things on my phone....3 weeks old so..... the personal data or course is backed up.
Ababrekar: Thanks for the encouragement pal... Like Bereda said, I'd like the HTC pack that is offered on the Blue Elves ROM, plus if you read my initial post.. most of the apps i used (SIP Change, PCM keyboard,etc) are already in that ROM so....
I take it this is the ROM I want....right? :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=364901
Can never be too sure...
Thanks for taking the time.

bereda said:
i didn't dump my rom and i have a rogers htc touch aka htc elfin... not elf so paul you have a elfin... and trust me stick with the custom roms theres no need to dump your rom due to the fact that theres like 20 of the "rogers" rom on here already just download a copy of it and your set... thats if you want to step backwards and go back to stock...
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Can you please point me to at least one? Also, it's a "step backward" for warranty and de-bricking purposes.
Paul, it's okay that its from Latin America, as long as the phone says rogers. Thanks.

evilmonkey1987... umm im not sure but i think that flashing will void warentee iwith any rom even plain wm6.1 because the elf and the elfin and the voque(sprint version of elfin) are all standerd
wm6.0 but heres the good part you can allways flash back for warntee purposes say you need to send it back and they cant
tell at all hehehehe!!! its a sneaky move but its well worth it!!!
sorry i thought you ment point you to a plain wm6.1 hahaha sorry ill find one
PAUL... yea thats it had it when i first flashed to wm6.1 and loved it but make sure you flash a radio with it!!!!!! its very simple to do ... heres the radio link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342265
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heres a little step by step
1. connect using active sync (after youv flashed the new rom of course )
2.remove sim and sd card
3. locate elf uspl and open it it will bring you to a dos screen *(windows command screen)*
4.press enter continue until you get to step 2/3 press enter then your elfs screen will turn white just like when your flashing the rom then !!!!!!STOPPPP!!!!!!! do not continue to press enter make sure your screen is white!!!!
(####****if your screen doesnt turn white start proicess again****###)
5. open up the radio folder while still keeping the dos screen up
6. youll find a operation call ruu which stands for rom update utility start that
7. follow the on screen steps and it will work fine
8 enjoy
*****#### in bothe the uspl unlocker and in the start batch file it will say elf... dont panic you have the RIGHT!!! FILE AND OPERATION....####****

Will do it tonight, btw.....STUPID QUESTION NO.1:
What is a Radio?

the radio is what is used to get your calls its what gives you your signal and there are every now and then a update for the phones which will either give you more signal or better call quality

Thanks for asking these questions, I had the same ones in my head

Installation Froze. I am on step 2, 75%...Touch/Elfin Reads:
Welcome to Haret
VRAM ADDR: 0X200001020
CREATING PRELOADER 1:1 MAPPING.
PREJUMPER IS AT 0X17EF40000
JUMPING TO SYSTEM MODE...
LOADING SPL TO RAM....
waited 10 minutes, nothing has happened. I removed the USB cable
the program on my screen stated that the Touch should have a white screen, if not, to repeat steps. SHould I restart/reset the Touch?
Help needed, I'll wait a while see if I get a response from one of you

Removed Battery, Restarted Phone, everything seems as before i did anything....gonna re-try the ROM upgrade from Step 1.
Restarting Computer....

Is TouchXplorer avail for the Focus?

I am STILL trying to get custom MP3 ringtones on this phone. Probably the most frustrating thing i've ever had to do with a so-called world class product. I searched the TouchXplorer site but I may have missed it. Can someone post a link if its available? Thanks.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=938106
.wma only!!

I had much better luck with this one, of course it still requires a dev. unlocked phone via chevron unlocker (must do pre-nodo)
http://www.samsungfocusforum.net/ne...ll-papers-and-desktop/new-ringtone-installer/
TouchXPlorer file browsing DOES NOT work on Focus. It states in the guys thread that it uses custom HTC API for that part and he hopes to make it more universal in the future.

hx4700 Killer said:
I had much better luck with this one, of course it still requires a dev. unlocked phone via chevron unlocker (must do pre-nodo)
http://www.samsungfocusforum.net/ne...ll-papers-and-desktop/new-ringtone-installer/
TouchXPlorer file browsing DOES NOT work on Focus. It states in the guys thread that it uses custom HTC API for that part and he hopes to make it more universal in the future.
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Thats what I thought... dang i feel like i am spinning my wheels with this stupid phone.... {sigh}

All that is supposed to come in Mango. Its not the phones fault. Blame M.S. and this Alpha OS release.
If I were running the dept. this came out of I would shoot, fire and shoot again the project manager on this.
Either he reported it as ready and clearly as we all know its not...
OR
Microsoft wanted to release it in a state they knew they could rapidly update to better things so they would get a rep for that unlike iPhone.

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Wrong! any audio file the phone can play will work as a ringtone, I know because I have mp3s as my ringtone right now on my HD7.

Then please share how you were able to accomplish this.

As of now, I have not found any file explorers for the phone. There are a few good registry editors which show a lot of stuff, but no working explorer that i know of for the Focus yet. Mango update needs to be here yesterday b/c the lack of things like this continue to make people buy other OS phones. They need to bring back the wm6.5 customizations and all that

[Q] Can you keep me from throwing my HD2 off a 12 story bldg?

I loved this phone -- at first, i got one of the first from Tmobile, was all excited. Then it kept freezing. 2 "new" HD2s later i hate it. And at the moment, I have a horrific sinus infection and no patience to find the links to the drivers and i want to take it to my husband's office and throw it off the top of the building. Unfortunately i think, since it's a police station, they'd frown upon that.
I also don't understand "computer" speak... please help me in "stupid person" terms if you can
1. A new driver to keep it from freezing, locking up etc. Every time i'm doing something, like typing a text mssg - and i'm recving a text mssg, the darn thing needs to be rebooted!
2. Tell me what i need to do to keep getting my gmail without the damn thing overheating and draining the battery.
3. Cool apps/games -- preferably free (i have kids that need to be entertained mid-air)
4. the name of a good bluetooth device.
If you can help me and you live within the 415, 510, 408, or 925 area codes i can reward you with cupcakes (when i'm no longer sick of course) -- i bake them professionally.
Also, can the hd2 with win 6.5 be upgraded to win 7? and if so, how?

mity287 said:
I loved this phone -- at first, i got one of the first from Tmobile, was all excited. Then it kept freezing. 2 "new" HD2s later i hate it. And at the moment, I have a horrific sinus infection and no patience to find the links to the drivers and i want to take it to my husband's office and throw it off the top of the building. Unfortunately i think, since it's a police station, they'd frown upon that.
I also don't understand "computer" speak... please help me in "stupid person" terms if you can
1. A new driver to keep it from freezing, locking up etc. Every time i'm doing something, like typing a text mssg - and i'm recving a text mssg, the darn thing needs to be rebooted!
2. Tell me what i need to do to keep getting my gmail without the damn thing overheating and draining the battery.
3. Cool apps/games -- preferably free (i have kids that need to be entertained mid-air)
4. the name of a good bluetooth device.
If you can help me and you live within the 415, 510, 408, or 925 area codes i can reward you with cupcakes (when i'm no longer sick of course) -- i bake them professionally.
Also, can the hd2 with win 6.5 be upgraded to win 7? and if so, how?
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1. WHich ROM do you use, Stock or Custom?
2. Gmail never has a problem with WInmo. We all know about the battery drains. You can either buy the extended battery or else turn off your 3G and Wifi when not needed (set everything manually)
3.I dont know about much about games and apps in WInmo. But, I like to play teeter, neon and bejewel
4. I have bluetooth devices from SOny Ericsson and Motorolla. All is good in term of quality.
Cheers..

silverwind said:
1. WHich ROM do you use, Stock or Custom?
2. Gmail never has a problem with WInmo. We all know about the battery drains. You can either buy the extended battery or else turn off your 3G and Wifi when not needed (set everything manually)
3.I dont know about much about games and apps in WInmo. But, I like to play teeter, neon and bejewel
4. I have bluetooth devices from SOny Ericsson and Motorolla. All is good in term of quality.
Cheers..
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1. Stock -- last time i did the Tmobile "update" it just made it worse so i did a factory reset and have been living with it ever since. Custom would be awesome since my "1 yr warranty" no longer exists.
2. seems too time consuming when the darn thing doesn't like to do what i ask in the first place
3. i have all those games
4. i'll try those, sick of using the corded one and my bluetooth broke.

1) Your T-Mobile HD2 needs no driver. What it needs is a Custom Rom because it seems that you have the Stock Rom 2.13 or 3.14. First you need to Unlock your device with HSPL3 found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611433 . Here is the Link for your TMOUS HD2 Roms http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=992 or http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=534
2) Your device overheats because you might be running alot of programs or streaming alot of media on your device.
3) For games theres alot of sites for instance http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-tag-game.html
4) I dont normally use a bluetooth so i dont have an answer to that.
5) Yes, your phone Windows Mobile 6.5 can be hack and upgrade it Windows Phone 7 with the latest rom with NoDo thanks to DFT for making it possible to run Windows Phone 7 and YukiXDA Rom for the NoDo rom. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1080950
I hope this helps

thebest1 said:
1) Your T-Mobile HD2 needs no driver. What it needs is a Custom Rom because it seems that you have the Stock Rom 2.13 or 3.14. First you need to Unlock your device with HSPL3 found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611433 . Here is the Link for your TMOUS HD2 Roms http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=992 or http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=534
2) Your device overheats because you might be running alot of programs or streaming alot of media on your device.
3) For games theres alot of sites for instance http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-tag-game.html
4) I dont normally use a bluetooth so i dont have an answer to that.
5) Yes, your phone Windows Mobile 6.5 can be hack and upgrade it Windows Phone 7 with the latest rom with NoDo thanks to DFT for making it possible to run Windows Phone 7 and YukiXDA Rom for the NoDo rom. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1080950
I hope this helps
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1. i need someone to explain the link (original thread) in rom for dummies
2. i try to exit out of everything when i'm done with it -- HD2 really needs a task mangager
3. thx for the link
4. i need one for driving, it's the law in California.
5. i will try that when everything else is said and done.

mity287 said:
I loved this phone -- at first, i got one of the first from Tmobile, was all excited. Then it kept freezing. 2 "new" HD2s later i hate it. And at the moment, I have a horrific sinus infection and no patience to find the links to the drivers and i want to take it to my husband's office and throw it off the top of the building. Unfortunately i think, since it's a police station, they'd frown upon that.
I also don't understand "computer" speak... please help me in "stupid person" terms if you can
1. A new driver to keep it from freezing, locking up etc. Every time i'm doing something, like typing a text mssg - and i'm recving a text mssg, the darn thing needs to be rebooted!
2. Tell me what i need to do to keep getting my gmail without the damn thing overheating and draining the battery.
3. Cool apps/games -- preferably free (i have kids that need to be entertained mid-air)
4. the name of a good bluetooth device.
If you can help me and you live within the 415, 510, 408, or 925 area codes i can reward you with cupcakes (when i'm no longer sick of course) -- i bake them professionally.
Also, can the hd2 with win 6.5 be upgraded to win 7? and if so, how?
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1. As the above post said you do not need any drivers. I recommend you look into a custom Windows Mobile ROM like any of the Energy or Duttys ROMs. You can also check into running android on it or WP7. Any of those three choices run a lot smoother then a stock ROM.
2. Sorry I could never get my HD2 to even set up my gmail account in the Manila/Sense email.
3. again agree with the above post, go to freewarepocketpc.net to get the Omarket, it has a lot of free games. Also do several Google searches for games for Windows Mobile 6.5.
4. Sorry again no advice here, I do not use any bluetooth devices.
5. Yes you can put Windows Phone 7 on your HD2. Click on the guide in my sig and read the very first couple of paragraphs and you will find a link to a guide on how to install WP7. You can also check out the rest as it might bed helpful to you. I also have two guides to installing Andriod linked close to the link for the WP7 guide. I recommend the WP7 ROM by YukiXDA as it is the newest and only WP7 ROM for the HD2 that has NoDo working.
Last make sure you do plenty of reading and researching before attempting any OS change, it is best to be informed.

T-Macgnolia said:
1. As the above post said you do not need any drivers. I recommend you look into a custom Windows Mobile ROM like any of the Energy or Duttys ROMs. You can also check into running android on it or WP7. Any of those three choices run a lot smoother then a stock ROM.
2. Sorry I could never get my HD2 to even set up my gmail account in the Manila/Sense email.
3. again agree with the above post, go to freewarepocketpc.net to get the Omarket, it has a lot of free games. Also do several Google searches for games for Windows Mobile 6.5.
4. Sorry again no advice here, I do not use any bluetooth devices.
5. Yes you can put Windows Phone 7 on your HD2. Click on the guide in my sig and read the very first couple of paragraphs and you will find a link to a guide on how to install WP7. You can also check out the rest as it might bed helpful to you. I also have two guides to installing Andriod linked close to the link for the WP7 guide. I recommend the WP7 ROM by YukiXDA as it is the newest and only WP7 ROM for the HD2 that has NoDo working.
Last make sure you do plenty of reading and researching before attempting any OS change, it is best to be informed.
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1. i have NO idea how to go about doing any of this. Seriously, i am a computer/electronics dummy. i'm lucky i can turn the darn thing on. when instructions are saying check your HSPL OSPL SPL, unistall it, save it to SD, rename it, or whatever, i have NO idea how to go about doing that. so please someone help me here.

HSPL is like the key to the phones guts... SPL is what the phone comes with by default that is the LOCK of the phone.. Cotulla managed to change it around and called it HSPL so with that you can do stuff on your HD2 that HTC and Microsoft don't want you doing...
So by putting HSPL following the guides mentioned your simply starting a Windows Application that will restart you phone into the phones bootloader or SPL (what turns on at first and is covered by the HTC logo or T mobiles Stick Together)
then it flashes (installs) HSPL so that your phone becomes unlocked to custom ROMS or modified update packages and in turn allows you to put MAGLDR which is a custom DFT (Dark Forces Team) project that after HSPL is loaded a new Operating System Loader starts up and allows you to run Android or Windows Phone from the phones internal memory. Radios are a little bit risky since some Radios will brake your device and make it unusable but for some people its worth the risk with improved Cell coverage and Faster speeds but in some cases drains the battery faster. You have the latest Radio since it was included with T-Mobiles 3.14
In your case if don't want Windows Mobile 6 then the alternatives are either Android with its large Market Place or Windows Phone (new) with its some what limited Market but with free games none the less
BUT a custom build of Windows Mobile 6 will have better performance since it won't be filled with T-Mobiles junk and you will be familiar with it instead of switching to Android or Windows Phone with their different Interface

Just read t-mac's guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1021837

keep in mind to explain everything COMPLETELY so you can understand over online text might be a little tedious. here's a guide to flash android onto your phone, but it isn't limited to android. you can flash windows phone 7 roms similarly. i can empathize with you, there was a time i didn't know what anyone was talking about but take it all in stride, do some looking around the forums and see if you can gradually understand what people are saying. trust me, just grab a hot coffee sit down and browse through things i have faith you'll figure things out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948

mity287 said:
1. i have NO idea how to go about doing any of this. Seriously, i am a computer/electronics dummy. i'm lucky i can turn the darn thing on. when instructions are saying check your HSPL OSPL SPL, unistall it, save it to SD, rename it, or whatever, i have NO idea how to go about doing that. so please someone help me here.
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Then why are you even here?
You have absolutely zero chance of been able to do any of this simply because you obviously are not even prepared to go and sit down and read. If you was you would be reading teh guides and sticky topics etc instead of back and forth in this topic.

Dump Windows Mobile, and go Android There are a bunch of guides in the Android thread, if you get overwhelmed you can always post a question
But if you still decided to throw it from the 12th floor, let me know when and where...

HTC 7 Trophy running mango

Today I got the invitation to install mango on my trophy, have any one installed mango and any trouble with the beta.
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App

Hello,
Yes i already installed MAngo on Trophy and it works perfect, i have it from 3 days and its run awesome, very fast and stable..
Regards

One of the best upgrades I have made to my phone so far, although it took me 4 tries until I finally had mango unlocked XD.
Messenger integration with the phone is pretty nice (although buggy sometimes)

Mango is the bizniss! I had to tinker with my actual location to get access to services though. Live tiles for a lot of apps,stay away from the 3g if you're on prepaid.

I will also agree, Mango is well worth the upgrade, I have it on my Verizon HTC Trophy. Runs perfect and all the new features are worth it.

Doesnt even feel like a beta, perfect!

Hi
Newbie for wp7.
Where to download mango for trophy ?
I bought the Xbox game, after upgrade to mango,
The game will b delete o not ?
Thanks

stussy said:
Hi
Newbie for wp7.
Where to download mango for trophy ?
I bought the Xbox game, after upgrade to mango,
The game will b delete o not ?
Thanks
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I haven't upgraded yet but from what i understand all settings, games etc will still exist after upgrade.
If you do need to download the game again, then the marketplace will recognise the previous purchase.

The applications did remain after the update, but I official updated the phone to mango.
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App

Thanks for your info, but u haven't tell me where to download MANGO ????!!!!

stussy said:
Thanks for your info, but u haven't tell me where to download MANGO ????!!!!
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You have to be invited from Microsoft to try it out...

tsupersonic said:
You have to be invited from Microsoft to try it out...
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Hi tsupersoni
Any way or link to download it ?
Can you send me ?
Thanks

tsupersonic said:
You have to be invited from Microsoft to try it out...
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Really ? Have you not looked or are you just being rude ? The info on this has been out on the net over a week now how to install this on a non-dev phone. You don't even need to unlock your phone.
This info is ALL over this site, never mind the big Win phone 7 sites...(check the WP7 areas on this site)
Read all the details here...
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/2123450-post27.html
After reading that you could be installing it in 5 min, but, the whole process takes about 2-3 hours (so plan on not using your phone in that window)
I wrote the PPCgeeks page...btw it works awsome on the HTC Trophy.

DavidinCT said:
Really ? Have you not looked or are you just being rude ? The info on this has been out on the net over a week now how to install this on a non-dev phone. You don't even need to unlock your phone.
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Well Said
When I hear things like this - I grind my teeth
and hope someone else says something
Thank You Well Done

chill dude, I wasn't aware of that. I will admit I didn't read the whole thread if you mentioned it before.

Thanks bro DavidCt.
I downloaded n installed. Its amazing !!
Can feel the different. But sad is still no flash support n custom ringtone.

stussy said:
Thanks bro DavidCt.
I downloaded n installed. Its amazing !!
Can feel the different. But sad is still no flash support n custom ringtone.
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It is pretty awsome but, keep in mind, it is a beta (there will be bugs) and make sure you keep your backup, you might need to restore back before you go to the final version. Your right, no Adobe flash but, you can install custom ring tones.
Talys said:
Custom Ringtones
1. Copy MP3 or WMA to Zune Collection. Choose Edit, and type in manually under Genre "Ringtone". The song must be less than 40 seconds and smaller than 1MB.
2. Go to Settings -> Ringtones + Sounds, tap Ringtone. Your custom ringtone will appear under a new tree called "Custom", above "Windows Phone"
Note that it is identified by the filename, rather than the track title.
Also, you can tap and HOLD a ringtone, and Delete will be offered (but only on the Custom ones; preloaded ones grey out delete).
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From the first page on ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1147892
tsupersonic said:
chill dude, I wasn't aware of that. I will admit I didn't read the whole thread if you mentioned it before.
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Hey, no worries, I said you otherwise didn't know or were rude, I guess you didn't know but, it's been all over the net for over a week now.
Guys/Gals if I helped you any bit could you hit the thanks button on the post I helped you with. Thanks !!!

Hi There
is it possible to send and receive files via Bluetooth in mango?

Hi David
I still cant custom the ringtone bcos i can't connect with ZUNE.
When i plug in phone will connect just 2 - 3 second and then disconnect.
Anyway to help ?

David
Anyway to solve this problem ?
Everytime i plug in phone connect to ZUNE, will show me the ZUNE need to update,
Downloading .... after that show me current the ZUNE version is the lastest .....