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A couple of questions...

Hi guys,
First and foremost, this is my first ever WinMo device (I've been semi-lurking on XDA for many months now )! I just started it using it yesterday, and I'm still on stock ROM. It'll take me a while before I grow a pair and start flashing like a crack-addict. Anyhow guys, I'm on the 1.18 ROM I think because when it starts up, this is what I see.
R 1.09.25.14
G 52.49a.25.26i
D 1.18.23358
Having said that, I do have a couple of questions that I hope some of you folks can help me out with.
1) Why is it that even when it's idling, up to 30 ~ 40% of the RAM is used? Is this a result of the TouchFLO3D and other background processes?
2) I've tried searching for this in this forum and nothing showed up...but, is it just me, or is my video camera extremely blur? Everything is out of focus? Can a screen protector influence this? I have a matte screen protector (which I'm loving by the way, hurray to no fingerprints!) with no hole cuts over the video camera.
3) With my previous phone, after sending an MMS (I have the 400-texts a month), the GPRS (Or is it Edge?) would stop itself. On the TouchHD, it shows that a data-connection, in this case; Edge, is still running. Is this normal? Do I have to manually go to the Comm-manager and disable the connection whenever I've finished sending an MMS? I disable it out of fear that I would get charged or something.
4) I find it very hard to look at my SPL version, as whenever I hold down both vol-keys and then power up the phone, I only see the tri-color screen for like 2 seconds before it asks if I would like to do a factory reset. Is this how it is supposed to be, or am I doing something wrong?
I'll try to keep all my future questions within this post as well, but for now, I have to say, I'm totally loving this phone. I've seen a couple of errors already, with issues like services.exe crashing and stuff like that. Regardless, I still have to admit that this phone is gorgeous, and totally awesome right out of the box. I still don't get what's all the hate towards WinMo, and yes, I'm totally fine with single-fingered touch!
Thank you to everyone on XDA. This site is a tomb of WinMo knowledge .
Cheers!

Congratulations on your first winmo device!!! And Congratulations on your new Touch HD!!!!
1)yes -- everything uses ram on your PPC even system(like on Desktop PCs)
2)Try http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=463783 find something that makes photo quality better, but it also might be Rom fault( I didnt have such problems when I had stock my rom 1.14
3)try NoData -- it will completely disable data connection!!!! Or downlaod HdTweak and I think that there are some settings that makes your phone to turn off data connection when idle!!!!
4)You need to hold only one volume down button and power button!!!!
read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=463783 and youl find all kinds of hidden features of your phone!!!!
If you have any other questions then ask -- the forum is friendly and people help in any way they can!!!

Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
Congratulations on your first winmo device!!! And Congratulations on your new Touch HD!!!!
1)yes -- everything uses ram on your PPC even system(like on Desktop PCs)
2)Try http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=463783 find something that makes photo quality better, but it also might be Rom fault( I didnt have such problems when I had stock my rom 1.14
3)try NoData -- it will completely disable data connection!!!! Or downlaod HdTweak and I think that there are some settings that makes your phone to turn off data connection when idle!!!!
4)You need to hold only one volume down button and power button!!!!
read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=463783 and youl find all kinds of hidden features of your phone!!!!
If you have any other questions then ask -- the forum is friendly and people help in any way they can!!!
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Kris,
Thank you very much! That helped a lot. I will look into getting something like NoData installed alongside HDTweaks or something. Also, thanks for clearing that up with the Bootloader. Im actually already itching to try out some of the custom cooked ROMS but I'm still debating if I should do HSPL or USPL.
Here are a couple of more questions:
1) I've been doing a lot of reading on the whole flashing thing, but if I'm going to go through the HSPL route, do I need to dump my original SPL before overwriting it with HSPL?
2) Does WinMo utilize registries like how the Desktop OS-es do when it comes to keeping track of installed and uninstalled programs? Like, when you install a program, and then uninstall it, does it still leave a registry trace? In short: Will your PPC bog down over time as a result of installations/uninstallations?
Thank you so far!,
Cheers.

PoisonWolf said:
Kris,
Here are a couple of more questions:
1) I've been doing a lot of reading on the whole flashing thing, but if I'm going to go through the HSPL route, do I need to dump my original SPL before overwriting it with HSPL?
2) Does WinMo utilize registries like how the Desktop OS-es do when it comes to keeping track of installed and uninstalled programs? Like, when you install a program, and then uninstall it, does it still leave a registry trace? In short: Will your PPC bog down over time as a result of installations/uninstallations?
Cheers.
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1) dont know about that!! but Im using HSPL and Im happy with it !!!! there are alot of guides in the forum on how to get SPL back(i think),, anyways Im not a pro with SPL's n'stuff-- only with Winmo itself!!!
2) dont know exactly about that bog down, but your PPC will get slower with apps installed--for example- custom rom with no apps takes, lets say, 2 seconds to open windows folder, in file explorer,, but same rom with apps takes 3 seconds----but it is different with different roms!!!!
BUT if you start flashing custom ROMs then you wont notice speed drops due to app instal/uninstal -- cuz you will flash roms often, just to search for the perfect one
about hspl -- make sure you take the right one-- the one witch supports 1.56 rom, cuz alot of custom roms are based on 1.56 rom!!!

PoisonWolf said:
Kris,
Thank you very much! That helped a lot. I will look into getting something like NoData installed alongside HDTweaks or something. Also, thanks for clearing that up with the Bootloader. Im actually already itching to try out some of the custom cooked ROMS but I'm still debating if I should do HSPL or USPL.
Here are a couple of more questions:
1) I've been doing a lot of reading on the whole flashing thing, but if I'm going to go through the HSPL route, do I need to dump my original SPL before overwriting it with HSPL?
2) Does WinMo utilize registries like how the Desktop OS-es do when it comes to keeping track of installed and uninstalled programs? Like, when you install a program, and then uninstall it, does it still leave a registry trace? In short: Will your PPC bog down over time as a result of installations/uninstallations?
Thank you so far!,
Cheers.
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I have always only used USPL - mainly so that in case I have to send the phone in for something, the warranty won't be void. Although, if you have HSPL you could put the stock SPL back on.
Anyway, USPL has worked fine for me and I have flashed a number of times. I currently have Dutty's 3.7 XT ROM and I am happy with it. You'll find that once you flash a non-stock ROM, you'll never want to go back to a stock ROM.
I personally recommend going with USPL - unless you plan on flashing your ROM very often to try things out.
The first time I flashed, I was nervous and I read a bunch of info on it in preparation. Once you are well informed, it is a no-brainer. Where you can do some irrepairable damage is by disconnecting the cable during the flashing process (if you go the usb route). That would cause your phone to become a brick - and you have no choice but to send it in at that point. So, just make sure your battery is more than half full, and that you don't cut the connection in any way until the phone restarts itself. Other than that, you'll be fine.
Also, it is recommended that after a flash process, you hard-reset 2-3 times before using the ROM. I usually just take the battery out as soon as the "smart mobility" screen with the red ROM info at the bottom appears. Then I put it back in, hard-reset, and repeat that process 2-3 times. After that, let it boot fully and go through the screen calibration process etc.
Like Kristaps-K9-Lv said - make sure that you end up with a 1.56 spl because now most ROM are based on that.
And yes, after installing and removing many programs, your phone will become slower. When that happens, you can just hard-reset. And if you have a program like spb backup, (where you backed up your phone after you installed your standard programs and set up the phone to your liking), then you can just restore that file in no time.

Guys,
Thanks for your help so far. I appreciate it. So WinMo does use the archaic registry system when it comes to keeping track of installed/uninstalled programs. That sucks. I've tried (and did not like = uninstalled), changescreen and fingerkeyboard, for some odd reason, I very much prefer the normal full-qwerty.
Right now, I've read a lot, but I'm still confused on a couple of things. When you guys say USPL, do you still need to change your phone's SPL ? For example, If I intend to install a 1.56 based ROM, do I use a 1.56 USPL, or do I use USPL to install the ROM, whilst making sure that my phone already has 1.56 SPL?
In order to get 1.56 SPL, I need to install one of the official ROM upgrades right? Was it ship.exe or something?
Cheers.

PoisonWolf said:
Guys,
Right now, I've read a lot, but I'm still confused on a couple of things. When you guys say USPL, do you still need to change your phone's SPL ? For example, If I intend to install a 1.56 based ROM, do I use a 1.56 USPL, or do I use USPL to install the ROM, whilst making sure that my phone already has 1.56 SPL?
In order to get 1.56 SPL, I need to install one of the official ROM upgrades right? Was it ship.exe or something?
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read cRaCKwHoRe's guide for flsahing 1.56 roms here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=505377 it will make it clear for you, or atleast in the end youll be able to flash your rom!!!

Hi guys,
Im back with another question. I am bumping my old thread to prevent creating another unnecessary thread. I have recently tried messing around with the whole FingerPressure and PressureThreshold settings through Registry edits, and I was wondering if anyone else has noticed if it's even worth changing these values?
After a screen alignment, my values are like 35 (Finger) and 100 (PressureThreshold) respectively. I've now changed them to 100 and 300 respectively. After a soft reset, I still do not feel any significant changes with the responsiveness of the screen (not that it isn't responsive, just not MORE responsive). The same went with the "high" setting via HD Tweak.
So is there a point to even changing them? I've also read that changing these values to exorbitant values can actually damage the digitizer. Any truth to this? (Like 100000, etc).
Cheers.

Hi Wolf,
I did change the sensitivity in hdTweak and also Adv.Config 3.3 and I noticed a difference when moving from the "Advised" option to the highest option.
However, there is a number of cabs you can try too - try searching in Themes and Apps forum, and also in the Dev & Hacking.

Why would I install custom ROM

I hope this is ok here, I have searched a lot and my question is not directly answered (or I can not find it)
I have just had a new HD turn up, had one when they first came out but liked iPhone so much, could not stop using it, so Touch HD went back.
Just been through lots of different phones again, as at last I am finding iPhone limiting in the things I want to do. Just rejected a TP2 as it has no 3.3mm socket, and is a bit heavy, quite happy with soft keyboard now from iPhone use, so I think Touch HD will suit me fine.
OK, I really liked the TP2 feel, and software, but I also liked using SPB Mobileshell 3 on it, so I plan to use this on my HD.
Now, finally my question
I have never understood why I might want to put a custom ROM on my device. I have read all the guides, and the dummies guide, but although that helps me understand HOW to do it, not sure why I would WANT to do it?
I can understand for those people that have a horrible Orange branded one or something, but mine is standard 1.56.405.1 from HTC, unbranded.
So, I see that Custom ROM can have programs already in them, and they add features like the new TF3D on the TP2, which I liked, but since I am gonna use SPB MS3 is there any point?
Sorry if I sound like a total noob, I really am not (just flashed an Orange Samsung i8910 from and to Orange 4 times so I can follow these things), but in the case of the i8910, I could see why I would flash new ROM, to get rid of Orange crap, but here, just really confused.
Thanks in advance for any insight, if I have posted in wrong place, please point me to correct place.
Kev

I also use MS3 and have been wondering if it's worth upgrading to a new ROM as most are TFL3D.
I guess after upgrading to a new ROM that the provider details will need to be reset - but that's not a bigee as the OS looks up the details right ?
<draws up a chair>

A small list of pro's & con's below:
Pros:
- New features - A lot of new features first arrive on cooked roms like new touch flow interface from the new rhodium and topaz htc phones. Obviously most stock roms now have this, but originally they didn't. Without flashing, this wouldnt have been available.
- New manila which makes customization easier
- You can install new OSs such as windows mobile 6.5
- Various types of roms available, i.e. "lite" ROMs which have very little features and as a result are faster or "heavier" ROMs which tend to be a bit slower though gap in speed has dramatically decreased with newer versions.
- Have many features/apps already "cooked" into the ROM to save you installing them yourself after a hard reset
- Some have new drivers which improve performance.
- Some have custom interfaces
- Process isnt that hard once youve got hardspl/uspl sorted (and that gets easy after a short while too). its all run through an app on your computer with your HTC connected via activesync to your computer which is about as easy as installing a program (just click next, i agree etc.)
Con's
- Can take a bit of time to get used to the process. But once you have it becomes vry quick
- Need to use backup software as all your apps and contacts (everything on the main memory is wiped clean. Information on SD is left untouched). Recommend Sashimi, PIM Backup & SPB Backup.
If you use your HTC for more than just its basic features and want to get the most out of it, definately flash a new ROM. The performance increase is noticeable going from a stock ROM to a well cooked ROM. You'll have to use HSPL or USPL on your phone first. My mate cRaCKwHoRe has provided this excellent guide

new manila which makes customization easier, offers landscape all over, better speed all over, even under heavy stress....my absolute favourite, Start is no longer that ugly WinMo '90s look-a-like square drop down menu, it's a program launcher i can open from any tab, program, whatever, so it's oh so easy to open anything from anywhere in two very fast and smooth clicks
can't even remember does the stock have whole Facebook profile linking to Contacts profile, saving pic and birthday (which i then sync to Outlook, which syncs it to Calendar)....oh, manila calendar, the WinMo thing is just awful, i'd rather use pen and paper
the whole experience is much much prettier, more user friendly and faster at that....with every update there's less WM and more manila, which is what everyone probably wants (from HTC or generally) :/

OK, so Manila and TF3D are exactly the same thing?
So assuming this is true, all the stuff I could do on the TP2 I had would be doable on this Touch HD if I put a cooked ROM with Manila 2.5 on?
Kev

Fallen Spartan said:
A small list of pro's & con's below:
- Can take a bit of time to get used to the process. But once you have it becomes vry quick
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Thanks so much for taking the time to do that. I think I am getting.
As I ask someone else, Manila and TF3D are the same thing right?
So, this HardSpl and softSpl, I have read the guide, but am still not clear why I would use one over the other?
At first glance, it would make sense to only use Hard? Why might someone not want to do that?
Kev

huh, i use USPL because it's a small program you run, it takes about 10sec to load and you're done, ready to flash....HSPL seemed like more hassle to begin with and USPL is really easy and simple :/ somehow even if i flashed 10 times a day, i wouldn't really see a problem with just running USPL :/
manila 2.5 is leaked, not officially out on any phone, 2.1 is out on TP2....and 2.5 is bugged, probably just a fun thing to try, not really use daily and seriously....2.0 and 2.1 are your every day options, and yes, probably everything on TP2 is in some of the ROMs cooked for Touch HD

Ah, OK so USPL would be good for me as I do not intend to flash new ROM very often?
It seems HardSPL would be for people that would be flashing all the time?
I read the bit where you say you would use USPL even if flashing lots, but surely if you were, HardSPL would be better?
Ok, so forget 2.5 Manila then, (just saw a Video and thought it was common), look for ROM with 2.1?
What version do we have on stock HD?
Thanks for answering.
Kev

kevwright said:
Thanks so much for taking the time to do that. I think I am getting.
As I ask someone else, Manila and TF3D are the same thing right?
So, this HardSpl and softSpl, I have read the guide, but am still not clear why I would use one over the other?
At first glance, it would make sense to only use Hard? Why might someone not want to do that?
Kev
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HSPL is an user-modified SPL that you have to flash to your phone. It overwrites the existing SPL on your device with a "hacked" one so to say. It allows you to bypass the HTC certificate check and flash unsigned or CID-mismatching roms to your phone. You only have to flash it once and then you can flash roms anytime.
USPL is a temporary solution. It takes advantage of an exploit in the existing SPL and then loads a modified one to memory, effectively allowing the same thing as HSPL. However, since this is only memory-resident you have to do it each time you want to flash unsigned or CID-mismatching roms to your phone, because this exploited state is lost upon reboot. With USPL you must still have the right version of the HTC SPL that is compatible with the rom you want to use.
Basic difference is that HSPL is permanent and voids warranty and USPL is temporary and thus doesn't void warranty. However, once you use HSPL you can flash any radio & rom any time you want, but with USPL you need to reuse it before every flash to new radio or rom.
If you put HSPL on your device you can remove it by following procedure at bottom on first post in this thread.
There are 2 versions of HSPL, 1.14 & 1.56. Make sure you use the correct version for whatever rom you intend to flash to, i.e.
HSPL 1.56 is for roms based on 1.56+
HSPL 1.14 is for roms based on pre 1.56

kevwright said:
Ah, OK so USPL would be good for me as I do not intend to flash new ROM very often?
It seems HardSPL would be for people that would be flashing all the time?
I read the bit where you say you would use USPL even if flashing lots, but surely if you were, HardSPL would be better?
Ok, so forget 2.5 Manila then, (just saw a Video and thought it was common), look for ROM with 2.1?
What version do we have on stock HD?
Thanks for answering.
Kev
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Ok, go to settings tab in TF3D and scroll down to 'About'. It should state something like TouchFLO 3D 2.1.38147.5. I highlighted the version in bold i.e. In this case its manila version 2.1

Ok, I think I need to flash a ROM, as I am finding the Touch HD a little less exciting than the TP2 I just sent back.
I liked the TP2 but it was heavy and had no 3.5mm jack, but it seemed quite a bit faster than this HD. Screen seemed much brighter as well, is that possible?
Anyway, now I have decided, I really don't have a clue what ROM to use. I have been reading this site for the last 4 hours, and am no further forward.
Kev

I'm hoping to get some answers out of this thread as well Kev - without hijacking though
If I want to keep all my current program settings and the like, is there a foolproof method by which I can restore programs from a backup on my Stock rom, onto a newly flashed cooked ROM.
I am looking for the newer features of the latest manilla but I don't want to lose any of my current data and go through the process of reinstalling the programs again.
I have pimbackup so know that will be a synch!

lol, well, Dutty 3.9XT is a huge hit, i love it and think it should be made stock, so you can go with that one....i also tried Laurentis26 latest one and it was lightning fast and smooth and is based on TP2 ROM so that's another option
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537948
manila 2.1 can have an sms bug, not everyone has it, but even TP2 suffers from it and there's still no official HTC fix....some people can't send 2 sms in a row to a same person, i am one of them and that's why i stick to manila 2.0 :/

Wiggz said:
I'm hoping to get some answers out of this thread as well Kev - without hijacking though
I have pimbackup so know that will be a synch!
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Hijack all you want mate, we will get better answers!
I want to flash before I get it all setup, and I need to hide my iPhone away, the screen is so much brighter than this HD :-(
I keep thinking though, all my old WM devices were based on standard software and SPB Pocket Plus, and I do like the standard today screen. With this in mind, how much will I benefit from a new ROM since they all seem to be based around really good inplementation of TF3D.
Kev

kevwright said:
Hijack all you want mate, we will get better answers!
I want to flash before I get it all setup, and I need to hide my iPhone away, the screen is so much brighter than this HD :-(
I keep thinking though, all my old WM devices were based on standard software and SPB Pocket Plus, and I do like the standard today screen. With this in mind, how much will I benefit from a new ROM since they all seem to be based around really good inplementation of TF3D.
Kev
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Although a lot of roms are based around good implementation of TF3D, they are also cutomized for speed, performance & stability of phone overall. So a cooked rom should out perform a stock rom in almost all categories

Fallen Spartan said:
Although a lot of roms are based around good implementation of TF3D, they are also cutomized for speed, performance & stability of phone overall. So a cooked rom should out perform a stock rom in almost all categories
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..and what about my particular question relating to restoration of stock rom backup (programs, not rom files obviously)

Just to add my own view to this as I have had the same dilemma in the past.
I stayed with stock....basically because I have quite a few apps installed on my device, and it seems that almost every other day updates are coming out to cooked ROMs to fix bugs, and it takes half a day to reinstall my apps and set them up. if ROM updates are coming out every few days I would spend half my life updating to the new one to fix a bug and then having to reinstall my apps.

Wiggz said:
..and what about my particular question relating to restoration of stock rom backup (programs, not rom files obviously)
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am afraid there's no way to restore programs, they have to be reinstalled since flashing is just like hard reset/clear storage, deletes everything on the device (not the storage card) :/
also, with flashing you're upgrading manila and most other programs to latest released built, so you don't wanna restore old files as they might not work with newer versions :/
i use Outlook to re-sync my contacts and calendar and Microsoft MyPhone to restore sms messages....also have opera6.adr file on my storage card which i just copy into /Windows/Opera folder to restore my bookmarks....RSS Hub i set to use Storage Card for data, then it says i already have some settings there and asks do i want to overwrite, select no and i have my old channels set
rest i do by hand, but post-flash set up takes 30min once you get used to it :/ many programs/icons/stuff require a restart after installation, one just remembers which and does them one after the other and then, after you installed taskbar, clock, icons, s2u2, such, you do one restart and it's all done in minutes
@twisted-pixel: yes, it can happen that you flash weekly to correct bugs....however i'm on the same ROM now for month and a half, did flash last week, 3 times in a day, but i was bored and wanted to try out stuff went back to the same ROM again at the end of the day

I have NRGZ28's ENERGY ROM, its worth flashing it, if for nothing else, the SPEED. My HD had all the 'Orange' crap on it and it was so slow compared to how it is now....go ahead....FLASH!! (your rom, that is)

suisen said:
am afraid there's no way to restore programs, they have to be reinstalled since flashing is just like hard reset/clear storage, deletes everything on the device (not the storage card) :/
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Just to update you all on this.
Throy's latest roms have included an auto-install for apps when flashing. I've tried this and it works a charm. See quote below.
Autoinstall thanks to my Good friend Tom: [ FAST and Fantastic.]Create folder in Root of Storage Card called [ Autoinstall ]
Copy all your cabs in that folder
After Flash , and during customisations all your cab will be installed.
Also set your cabs to read only
So get Your Storage Card prepared with all your Cabs to install.
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Only drawback on this is that all apps are installed onto main menu, so if you want any apps installed on your SD Card you will have to install them manually or alternatively use Sashimi backup which also auto-installs apps etc

Top o'the morning to yee

I was given an SPV M3100 with a cracked screen, bought a new one off eBay for just of €20, fitted it, fired it up and everything works !!
I removed the Operator SIM lock and CID lock so I can use my VodaIE sim (was previously locked to OrangeUK)
According to the "About" screen it says the following
CE OS 5.1.195 (build 17743.2.3.0)
Memory 48.93mb
The splash screen after the initial Orange screen says "3.0 Black windows mobile pro"
Does this mean it's been flashed with a new rom ?
I'd like to flash it with a rom that needs the minimum of stylus use for navigation (fingers like sausages), what would be the best for this ?

Looks like its been flashed before, BUT, thats a fairly old rom. It might be an idea to check your SPL, if its not 2.10 oli then its not the safest. Go to the Hard SPL sticky in the Upgrading part of the forum to download Hard SPL V7. Install this (go to page 116, post 1160 for the sd card method - this can be used to flash roms to, just drop the steps using SSPL.exe(soft SPL) as you now have Hard SPL on your device). This will give better protection for when you flash your Hermes.
As for the rom, unfortunately these devices aren't like the Iphone where its all geared for the fingers. You will need to use a stylus in every rom. So saying, look in the WM06 part of the forum, you might like to use the Manilla or Titanium roms. Please note however that these may cut down on the storage memory. Also, read a bit about the rom as the chefs generally tell you whats in the roms. If you want specific things either look for a rom thats closest to that or use a lite rom and add the apps yourself.
I tend to opt for the Lite roms myself as I then pack the phone with a concoction of apps to my liking and I don't really like Manilla or Titanium. Everyone's different and whats good for one may not be good for all.
Hope that helped...
Cheers...

iPhone ?!?!?! go give yourself 20 lashes for even mentioning it !
I'm running a Hackintosh, although I still have to boot into XP to do bit's and bob's though.
The Manilla and Titanium roms seem to be more what I was lokking for, it's really the basic functions and navigation that needs to be "fat finger freindly", the main use is really going to be just as a phone, so calls and texts

I know, I don't like the Iphone either, but it is more finger friendly than our devices...
You may need to install a custom onscreen keyboard if you want to have that more finger friendly but remember, the more space used up by the keyboard, the less space to see what you're writing. At the moment I'm using Darkvisions (the latest build) and it has a pretty good onscreen keyboard. It does have a lot of other apps too though. Look for the Lite versions of the Roms, that should give you plenty of internal memory (though depending on what apps are loaded in you may not have the biggest amount of RAM).
Cheers...

I ended up settling for TAI's Golden Globe Manilla 2D in the end, played around with Scotty93's S93 V4 and MrDSL's Titanium light as well, I'll have a bit more of a play around later as I was started to get disapproving stares from the wife

People Tab

Hi all,
Newbie here
EX iPhone 3g user now HD user
I would like to ask, is it possible to change the People Tab on the HD to one like on the Touch Pro2 as an example.
I would prefer to have squares of faces than the flip faces that there are now.
all the best...
Any help is appreciated.
chill.

If I understand you correctly, you are referring to the difference in Contact tabs between Manila 2.1 (also known as HTC's TouchFlo 3D), and Manila 2.5 (known as HTC Sense), which will come out on the new HTC devices such as the Leo (also known as the Touch HD2).
As far as I know, the only way to use the new interface is to flash a ROM that has Manila 2.5.
I currently use Dutty's Leo R6 with WM6.5 and Manila 2.5. I really like it.
You can find it here. You'll have to register to be able to download it.
BTW - Welcome to the forum!!!!!!

Thanks Chris Cross,
This is what I am looking for.
Hope I have explained it right.
Not sure what Manilla 2.1 or 2.5 are, but thanks.
If I was to install the Dutty rom, would I loose any features ? Could I return to Original rom if I needed ?
Sorry for too many questions..
chill....

Yes, that is a picture of Manila 2.5.
Okay, I'll explain what Manila is.
Windows Mobile phones have a generic windows interface. HTC came up with their own layout and called it Manila. The more common name was TouchFlo. First was TouchFlo 2D, then came TouchFlo 3D, and now the new one is called HTC Sense (I guess they wanted to change the name now. ). In terms of your phone, you will see that the name Manila is still used (for example in registry settings etc.).
So, when you start your phone, it automatically goes into the Manila layout from HTC. In other words, the whole concept of having the slider at the bottom which takes you to the different tabs (and each of their sub-menus) etc.. is the Manila interface. Other Windows Mobile phones that are not from HTC don't have that (unless they have tried to copy the concept).
So, Manila version 2.1 (=TouchFlo 3D) had a Contacts tab with the little slider on the right, to switch between contacts (or you could flip through them too). Now, Manila 2.5 (which ships with the new HTC phones) changed that layout to look like what you are referring to - i.e. the big square pictures. You see 9 right away, and if you flip up, then 6 more appear for a total of 15. That is just one of the layout changes that are new in Manila 2.5. You will also see a new change in the Home tab, where below the clock, you now have Quick Links. They also look like squares and you can link them to a contact or a program for quick access directly from the home tab. Like I said, there are several new changes like that in Manila 2.5
I'll leave it at that for now. I need to stop for a second, but I'll come back to this same post and give you some info on flashing a new rom.
EDIT: see post below for info on flashing roms

chill today said:
.... If I was to install the Dutty rom, would I loose any features ? Could I return to Original rom if I needed ?....
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Flashing a new rom means that you will completely erase the entire drive on the phone and you will install a brand new system. So... yes, you will lose everything that is in the internal storage (but not in the SD card).
You can go back to the rom your phone came with (referred to as a "stock" rom). To do that, you would have to flash (= install) the stock rom, and once again, you would lose everything you have at that point and you would end up with your phone as it came out of the box.
There is also backup software you can buy to backup all your programs, files etc.. in case you ever flash the stock rom again and you want things the way they are today. As far as I know, you cannot (or at least - should not) use that backup file on a rom other than the one that was installed when the backup file was created.
I have had my HD for 11 months. I flashed a new rom for the first time about 2 weeks after buying my HD. I think it is totally worth it. There are a lot of rom cooks out there that do a great job at making solid, stable roms. Dutty is definitely among the most well known and respected for the quality of work he does. He tries to keep his roms as close to stock as possible, but he makes changes that improve the speed and overall user-friendliness of the rom.
You do have to keep in mind, that if you flash a new rom with Manila 2.5 and Windows Mobile 6.5, some things might not work 100% right away because those are new releases. Dutty is constantly updating his rom to fix any known issues. Whenever an update is made, you flash that updated rom - and once again it means you lose your settings. But, the benefits of having a nicer rom outweigh the cons of having to set up your phone as you like it again. Eventually, the rom becomes really stable and you can go months without needing to flash anything.
If you are interested in flashing Dutty's new rom, let me know and I can give you links that explain how to do that.

All sounds very interesting. I'll chew on this a little.
Its not like I am unhappy with the HD, but just the People tab is a little frustrating to use.
I'll have a good look over at the roms section, and if I do give it a shot, I'll be knocking
I have flashed a HTC Touch before. A bit scary doing it, but went OK in the end.
The phone was freezing up, and was out of warrenty, so nowt to lose.
If its a similar process, then not to scary after all.
thanks
chill......

Yeah, it's the same thing. It's not too scary, but you just have to make sure you read about how to do it the first time, so that you don't make big mistakes. Technically, you could turn your phone into a brick (i.e. permanently dead), but that's really only if you somehow cut power to the phone during the process (e.g. if you unplug the cord or start with a low battery). If you just follow the steps - you'll be fine, and it will take about 10 minutes of actual flashing time. Once you have done it, you realize it is no big deal.
Check out the ROM threads - especially this tutorial!!! Depending on what type of ROM you have right now, you might need to do extra steps before flashing a newer version ROM. It is all explained in that tutorial. And Dutty's latest Leo R6 ROM can be found here. You can follow any developments or bug reports and fixes etc. regarding Dutty's Leo ROM in this thread.
Also, you might want to look and see if your stock ROM is available for download (in case you later want to go back to it - but I doubt you will). You can also go back to other stock ROMs if you want.
Just ask if you have questions.

Thanks a lot.
I've only been here 5 minutes and all this help. Nice place here.
There are Lots of Roms, so would need to chose carefully. I have been trying SPB Mobile Shell, which is quite nice. Not a full replacement rom, but a nice touch.
Thanks again, I will read on.
chill.......

Seems my question has been asked before.Contacts
Any freeware versions of a program similar.
chill......

chill today said:
Seems my question has been asked before.Contacts
Any freeware versions of a program similar.
chill......
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Since I've never used one, I am not too familiar with freeware for it. But, I did find this website. Their program "Avatar" might be what you are looking for. The author also has a thread for Avatar on XDA Forums. It definitely seems worth the try.

Thanks again Chris Cross,
I will try them today, cheers for the link.
chill......

[Q] Can you keep me from throwing my HD2 off a 12 story bldg?

I loved this phone -- at first, i got one of the first from Tmobile, was all excited. Then it kept freezing. 2 "new" HD2s later i hate it. And at the moment, I have a horrific sinus infection and no patience to find the links to the drivers and i want to take it to my husband's office and throw it off the top of the building. Unfortunately i think, since it's a police station, they'd frown upon that.
I also don't understand "computer" speak... please help me in "stupid person" terms if you can
1. A new driver to keep it from freezing, locking up etc. Every time i'm doing something, like typing a text mssg - and i'm recving a text mssg, the darn thing needs to be rebooted!
2. Tell me what i need to do to keep getting my gmail without the damn thing overheating and draining the battery.
3. Cool apps/games -- preferably free (i have kids that need to be entertained mid-air)
4. the name of a good bluetooth device.
If you can help me and you live within the 415, 510, 408, or 925 area codes i can reward you with cupcakes (when i'm no longer sick of course) -- i bake them professionally.
Also, can the hd2 with win 6.5 be upgraded to win 7? and if so, how?

mity287 said:
I loved this phone -- at first, i got one of the first from Tmobile, was all excited. Then it kept freezing. 2 "new" HD2s later i hate it. And at the moment, I have a horrific sinus infection and no patience to find the links to the drivers and i want to take it to my husband's office and throw it off the top of the building. Unfortunately i think, since it's a police station, they'd frown upon that.
I also don't understand "computer" speak... please help me in "stupid person" terms if you can
1. A new driver to keep it from freezing, locking up etc. Every time i'm doing something, like typing a text mssg - and i'm recving a text mssg, the darn thing needs to be rebooted!
2. Tell me what i need to do to keep getting my gmail without the damn thing overheating and draining the battery.
3. Cool apps/games -- preferably free (i have kids that need to be entertained mid-air)
4. the name of a good bluetooth device.
If you can help me and you live within the 415, 510, 408, or 925 area codes i can reward you with cupcakes (when i'm no longer sick of course) -- i bake them professionally.
Also, can the hd2 with win 6.5 be upgraded to win 7? and if so, how?
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1. WHich ROM do you use, Stock or Custom?
2. Gmail never has a problem with WInmo. We all know about the battery drains. You can either buy the extended battery or else turn off your 3G and Wifi when not needed (set everything manually)
3.I dont know about much about games and apps in WInmo. But, I like to play teeter, neon and bejewel
4. I have bluetooth devices from SOny Ericsson and Motorolla. All is good in term of quality.
Cheers..

silverwind said:
1. WHich ROM do you use, Stock or Custom?
2. Gmail never has a problem with WInmo. We all know about the battery drains. You can either buy the extended battery or else turn off your 3G and Wifi when not needed (set everything manually)
3.I dont know about much about games and apps in WInmo. But, I like to play teeter, neon and bejewel
4. I have bluetooth devices from SOny Ericsson and Motorolla. All is good in term of quality.
Cheers..
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1. Stock -- last time i did the Tmobile "update" it just made it worse so i did a factory reset and have been living with it ever since. Custom would be awesome since my "1 yr warranty" no longer exists.
2. seems too time consuming when the darn thing doesn't like to do what i ask in the first place
3. i have all those games
4. i'll try those, sick of using the corded one and my bluetooth broke.

1) Your T-Mobile HD2 needs no driver. What it needs is a Custom Rom because it seems that you have the Stock Rom 2.13 or 3.14. First you need to Unlock your device with HSPL3 found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611433 . Here is the Link for your TMOUS HD2 Roms http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=992 or http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=534
2) Your device overheats because you might be running alot of programs or streaming alot of media on your device.
3) For games theres alot of sites for instance http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-tag-game.html
4) I dont normally use a bluetooth so i dont have an answer to that.
5) Yes, your phone Windows Mobile 6.5 can be hack and upgrade it Windows Phone 7 with the latest rom with NoDo thanks to DFT for making it possible to run Windows Phone 7 and YukiXDA Rom for the NoDo rom. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1080950
I hope this helps

thebest1 said:
1) Your T-Mobile HD2 needs no driver. What it needs is a Custom Rom because it seems that you have the Stock Rom 2.13 or 3.14. First you need to Unlock your device with HSPL3 found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611433 . Here is the Link for your TMOUS HD2 Roms http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=992 or http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=534
2) Your device overheats because you might be running alot of programs or streaming alot of media on your device.
3) For games theres alot of sites for instance http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-tag-game.html
4) I dont normally use a bluetooth so i dont have an answer to that.
5) Yes, your phone Windows Mobile 6.5 can be hack and upgrade it Windows Phone 7 with the latest rom with NoDo thanks to DFT for making it possible to run Windows Phone 7 and YukiXDA Rom for the NoDo rom. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1080950
I hope this helps
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1. i need someone to explain the link (original thread) in rom for dummies
2. i try to exit out of everything when i'm done with it -- HD2 really needs a task mangager
3. thx for the link
4. i need one for driving, it's the law in California.
5. i will try that when everything else is said and done.

mity287 said:
I loved this phone -- at first, i got one of the first from Tmobile, was all excited. Then it kept freezing. 2 "new" HD2s later i hate it. And at the moment, I have a horrific sinus infection and no patience to find the links to the drivers and i want to take it to my husband's office and throw it off the top of the building. Unfortunately i think, since it's a police station, they'd frown upon that.
I also don't understand "computer" speak... please help me in "stupid person" terms if you can
1. A new driver to keep it from freezing, locking up etc. Every time i'm doing something, like typing a text mssg - and i'm recving a text mssg, the darn thing needs to be rebooted!
2. Tell me what i need to do to keep getting my gmail without the damn thing overheating and draining the battery.
3. Cool apps/games -- preferably free (i have kids that need to be entertained mid-air)
4. the name of a good bluetooth device.
If you can help me and you live within the 415, 510, 408, or 925 area codes i can reward you with cupcakes (when i'm no longer sick of course) -- i bake them professionally.
Also, can the hd2 with win 6.5 be upgraded to win 7? and if so, how?
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1. As the above post said you do not need any drivers. I recommend you look into a custom Windows Mobile ROM like any of the Energy or Duttys ROMs. You can also check into running android on it or WP7. Any of those three choices run a lot smoother then a stock ROM.
2. Sorry I could never get my HD2 to even set up my gmail account in the Manila/Sense email.
3. again agree with the above post, go to freewarepocketpc.net to get the Omarket, it has a lot of free games. Also do several Google searches for games for Windows Mobile 6.5.
4. Sorry again no advice here, I do not use any bluetooth devices.
5. Yes you can put Windows Phone 7 on your HD2. Click on the guide in my sig and read the very first couple of paragraphs and you will find a link to a guide on how to install WP7. You can also check out the rest as it might bed helpful to you. I also have two guides to installing Andriod linked close to the link for the WP7 guide. I recommend the WP7 ROM by YukiXDA as it is the newest and only WP7 ROM for the HD2 that has NoDo working.
Last make sure you do plenty of reading and researching before attempting any OS change, it is best to be informed.

T-Macgnolia said:
1. As the above post said you do not need any drivers. I recommend you look into a custom Windows Mobile ROM like any of the Energy or Duttys ROMs. You can also check into running android on it or WP7. Any of those three choices run a lot smoother then a stock ROM.
2. Sorry I could never get my HD2 to even set up my gmail account in the Manila/Sense email.
3. again agree with the above post, go to freewarepocketpc.net to get the Omarket, it has a lot of free games. Also do several Google searches for games for Windows Mobile 6.5.
4. Sorry again no advice here, I do not use any bluetooth devices.
5. Yes you can put Windows Phone 7 on your HD2. Click on the guide in my sig and read the very first couple of paragraphs and you will find a link to a guide on how to install WP7. You can also check out the rest as it might bed helpful to you. I also have two guides to installing Andriod linked close to the link for the WP7 guide. I recommend the WP7 ROM by YukiXDA as it is the newest and only WP7 ROM for the HD2 that has NoDo working.
Last make sure you do plenty of reading and researching before attempting any OS change, it is best to be informed.
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1. i have NO idea how to go about doing any of this. Seriously, i am a computer/electronics dummy. i'm lucky i can turn the darn thing on. when instructions are saying check your HSPL OSPL SPL, unistall it, save it to SD, rename it, or whatever, i have NO idea how to go about doing that. so please someone help me here.

HSPL is like the key to the phones guts... SPL is what the phone comes with by default that is the LOCK of the phone.. Cotulla managed to change it around and called it HSPL so with that you can do stuff on your HD2 that HTC and Microsoft don't want you doing...
So by putting HSPL following the guides mentioned your simply starting a Windows Application that will restart you phone into the phones bootloader or SPL (what turns on at first and is covered by the HTC logo or T mobiles Stick Together)
then it flashes (installs) HSPL so that your phone becomes unlocked to custom ROMS or modified update packages and in turn allows you to put MAGLDR which is a custom DFT (Dark Forces Team) project that after HSPL is loaded a new Operating System Loader starts up and allows you to run Android or Windows Phone from the phones internal memory. Radios are a little bit risky since some Radios will brake your device and make it unusable but for some people its worth the risk with improved Cell coverage and Faster speeds but in some cases drains the battery faster. You have the latest Radio since it was included with T-Mobiles 3.14
In your case if don't want Windows Mobile 6 then the alternatives are either Android with its large Market Place or Windows Phone (new) with its some what limited Market but with free games none the less
BUT a custom build of Windows Mobile 6 will have better performance since it won't be filled with T-Mobiles junk and you will be familiar with it instead of switching to Android or Windows Phone with their different Interface

Just read t-mac's guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1021837

keep in mind to explain everything COMPLETELY so you can understand over online text might be a little tedious. here's a guide to flash android onto your phone, but it isn't limited to android. you can flash windows phone 7 roms similarly. i can empathize with you, there was a time i didn't know what anyone was talking about but take it all in stride, do some looking around the forums and see if you can gradually understand what people are saying. trust me, just grab a hot coffee sit down and browse through things i have faith you'll figure things out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948

mity287 said:
1. i have NO idea how to go about doing any of this. Seriously, i am a computer/electronics dummy. i'm lucky i can turn the darn thing on. when instructions are saying check your HSPL OSPL SPL, unistall it, save it to SD, rename it, or whatever, i have NO idea how to go about doing that. so please someone help me here.
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Then why are you even here?
You have absolutely zero chance of been able to do any of this simply because you obviously are not even prepared to go and sit down and read. If you was you would be reading teh guides and sticky topics etc instead of back and forth in this topic.

Dump Windows Mobile, and go Android There are a bunch of guides in the Android thread, if you get overwhelmed you can always post a question
But if you still decided to throw it from the 12th floor, let me know when and where...