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[Q] WP7?

i have seen that samsung is releasing a windows phone, and it's got all the same specs as our beloved galaxy s. except we have 16 Gb of internal storage, and the windows phone only has 8 Gb. so that brought me to wonder, if there is anybody looking into getting WP7 working on the galaxy s line of phones. i am an avid xbox live gamer, and also am a zune member, so this would be great for me. especially if there was a way to dual boot my phone for both android and wp7.

Aww man dual boot would be amazing.
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So far all I see is wm guys wanting android on their phones, really none of us ex wm users care for it, which is why we switched in the first place.
And then there is the licensing issue, wm isnt free.

just sell your vibrant and buy a wp7 phone. Just warning you though, you will be disappointed.

98classic said:
And then there is the licensing issue, wm isnt free.
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Exactly. You can't legally port WM to anything. Even if you did get a working port, Microsoft would take it down immediately.

dsimages said:
just sell your vibrant and buy a wp7 phone. Just warning you though, you will be disappointed.
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+1
The devs for MS market place are facing big hurdles getting their apps up because MS has a final say what gets publish and what doesn't. There is no "jailbreak" or "root" concept either, so you are stuck with whatever guys in Redmond decided is good for you.

After 3 years of using WM and now on my first Android device, no thanks... I'm not looking back

StefanB86 said:
After 3 years of using WM and now on my first Android device, no thanks... I'm not looking back
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I'm on a Vibrant, I had a HTC Touch Diamond (WM 6). Windows 7 is going to be such a huge improvement from 6. If you haven't watched the demo videos for 7, go look at em. Dont get me wrong, I love my Vibrant, but don't hate on it till you've taken a good look. The UI looks pretty kick ass in my opinion but I think W7 is designed for a different crowd of people from what you find on the XDA forums judging by their commercials.

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I'm on a Vibrant, I had a HTC Touch Diamond (WM 6). Windows 7 is going to be such a huge improvement from 6. If you haven't watched the demo videos for 7, go look at em. Dont get me wrong, I love my Vibrant, but don't hate on it till you've taken a good look. The UI looks pretty kick ass in my opinion but I think W7 is designed for a different crowd of people from what you find on the XDA forums judging by their commercials.
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I agree with you that it has improved but the ui is so ugly. A bunch of thumbnails.
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gunks said:
I'm on a Vibrant, I had a HTC Touch Diamond (WM 6). Windows 7 is going to be such a huge improvement from 6. If you haven't watched the demo videos for 7, go look at em. Dont get me wrong, I love my Vibrant, but don't hate on it till you've taken a good look. The UI looks pretty kick ass in my opinion but I think W7 is designed for a different crowd of people from what you find on the XDA forums judging by their commercials.
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I'm not hating at all, i just like to try new things and after 3 years like i said before i got really bored of it. I'm pretty sure Windows 7 is going to be a huge improvement as you said and agree 100% about the UI (i even use a similar one on my vibrant!) but I'm a happy camper for now. I may go back in a future

ms won't allow it.
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nemesys06 said:
i have seen that samsung is releasing a windows phone, and it's got all the same specs as our beloved galaxy s. except we have 16 Gb of internal storage, and the windows phone only has 8 Gb.
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FYI the Galaxy S i9000 comes in both 8GB abd 16GB configs

The one thing you will miss from moving to WP7 is the community. I am sure a new community will grow around the phone is no time just like Android did when G1 was release, and when root was found, the community boomed. Same thing happened with iPhone and jailbreaking, it's just matter of time.
I say wait a while and see, if it is good, jump ship, if not you can always stay with Android.

Actually the community for windows is there. I first found xda developers when I was looking for mods for my MDA that was years before android dropped. Look over in some of the windows forums they are there. Its just that windows got stale, other than a couple HTC skins WM has been nearly the same since 2003. They really just updated it to work better with new hardware.
I'm sure WM7 will bring a little fire back. I'd like to try it out. My first smartphone was a Wm phone, and there are things I still miss like the contacts a Calender.
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imho WP7 looks gross
especially the home screen.
i mean Tiles.... WTF

i love the android OS. i love my vibrant. i just thought about how cool it would to be to dual boot with wp7. i didn't think about licensing though. i forgot that windows mobile isn't open source like android is, so it'll be harder, if even possible to get windows on an android device! but it's ok to wish. maybe in the future i'll get a wp7 phone. then dual boot with android on that. or keep my vibrant and have the best of both worlds. i should wait anyway to see how wp7 turns out, but i really like the involvement of xbox live and zune! i do have to say, even if wp7 is amazing, it's going to be hard to catch up with android. i can see this is going to be just like the pc world. android(linux) vs. iOS(apple) vs WP7(Windows). andbody see a trend?

nemesys06 said:
i have seen that samsung is releasing a windows phone, and it's got all the same specs as our beloved galaxy s. except we have 16 Gb of internal storage, and the windows phone only has 8 Gb. so that brought me to wonder, if there is anybody looking into getting WP7 working on the galaxy s line of phones. i am an avid xbox live gamer, and also am a zune member, so this would be great for me. especially if there was a way to dual boot my phone for both android and wp7.
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The specs are similar but not the same. All the current WP7 phones have the same cpu/gpu because the ui and stuff is all hardware accelerated.

98classic said:
So far all I see is wm guys wanting android on their phones, really none of us ex wm users care for it, which is why we switched in the first place.
And then there is the licensing issue, wm isnt free.
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WP7 != WM.

reuthermonkey said:
WP7 != WM.
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Not free is still common trait between them.
Anyway, only time will tell if WP7 is able to entice the smartphone users enough to switch.
I for one will never load a crapware from Redmond on any of my PC's (only in a VM to have ODIN because there is no alternative here) and phones.

How much do you think window 8 tablets will cost?

Do you guys think it would be priced competively with the ipads, and various android devices? Maybe somewhere around 500-550$?

Fasty12 said:
Do you guys think it would be priced competively with the ipads, and various android devices? Maybe somewhere around 500-550$?
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I have no idea.
I think its critical that Windows 8 RT is competitive otherwise its a little bit pointless. As you climb above that price point you start to get in to x86 price ranges at which point (battery life aside) x86 would kick its arse.
Android stuff will be cheaper, theres no getting around that, Google makes its money from you in other ways. So I really have no idea, sorry

I would say if they price them the way Slates are priced they will wont sell anything! If they undercut Apple by $50 bucks it will sell , if they want to compete with Android they will have to cut and $100 off the list price! But the way the OS is looking it will be an easy sell since XBOX,Windows Phone, media center are all integrated into it , No body else has that kind of integration ! They need to keep the price low , it should be any big deal , lets face it it costs about 10 dollars to make an iphone , 15 for the ipad and they pay there workers about that per day to make the device , Im pretty sure GREED works well in this industry , appl has enough where they could drop the price and not lose a nickel , but why would they?
Microsoft needs to do that as well ,I mean after all Bill invented greed in the tech industry!

$300 Windows 8 tablet
Fasty12 said:
Do you guys think it would be priced competively with the ipads, and various android devices? Maybe somewhere around 500-550$?
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Of course, the prices will go up, according to the specs of each device, so while you may be able to buy a $300 Windows 8 tablet
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Xbox Capabilities
I think the tablets should be priced at about $300-$400 because I can buy a cheap laptop for that and it would have a keyboard unlike most tablets.
I had a thought (others may have already said this) but Microsoft should add capabilities to be able to play xbox/xbox360 games and more gamers would buy a tablet to game on the road.

Windows 8 tab price
I am guessing you will get what you pay for. Windows tablets using arm architecture will more than likely cost the least, being competitive with the current line of Android and Apple offerings. Buyers will be limited to metro apps and select 1st party Microsoft applications; however, the price in general SHOULD be lower than a Win8 tablet running on Intel architecture. Tablets running win8 on a normal x86-64 processor will be the wild card. Slap some low end components in a generic plastic case with a touch screen and it will more than likely cost less than the highest end Windows on arm tablet. I am sure Origin PC will have a $5,000 USD Windows 8 gaming tablet that has two full sized graphics cards in SLI/crossfire configuration and overclocked components available at some point (might actually become a reality if you have seen the Razer gaming tablet). So my predictions after all this ranting?
Win8 on ARM tablets: $250-$600+
Win8 on Intel tablets: $400-more money you would ever want to spend on anything.

whatever it is, it would be ofcourse out of my range.

Skully1983 said:
I am guessing you will get what you pay for. Windows tablets using arm architecture will more than likely cost the least, being competitive with the current line of Android and Apple offerings. Buyers will be limited to metro apps and select 1st party Microsoft applications; however, the price in general SHOULD be lower than a Win8 tablet running on Intel architecture. Tablets running win8 on a normal x86-64 processor will be the wild card. Slap some low end components in a generic plastic case with a touch screen and it will more than likely cost less than the highest end Windows on arm tablet. I am sure Origin PC will have a $5,000 USD Windows 8 gaming tablet that has two full sized graphics cards in SLI/crossfire configuration and overclocked components available at some point (might actually become a reality if you have seen the Razer gaming tablet). So my predictions after all this ranting?
Win8 on ARM tablets: $250-$600+
Win8 on Intel tablets: $400-more money you would ever want to spend on anything.
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I believe you're spot-on. Entry level devices will *absolutely* be competitive with iPad and Android tablets, but there will be numerous SKU's that add capabilities for different consumers.
And that's a GOOD thing. Apple likes to say "**** you, take what we give you," but Microsoft and other vendors understand that the truth of the world is, there are LOTS of different kinds of consumers with MANY different kinds of needs, and the smart money puts an appropriate product within reach of every customer. That's one of the reasons Windows itself has 90% worldwide OS marketshare, and Apple has 4%.

I heard for Mobile version of win8/ARM if any. Should be half the cost of the full fledge win8 versions on the tablets. So currently win7 tablets are $1000+, I would say $500 or so..

I am hoping the price range will be 400$-600$, because i really want one of those Windows 8 tablets.

Ann information week article says 32 different versions ranging from $300 to $1000...can't really see an arm tablet going for a grand...
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seulment said:
Ann information week article says 32 different versions ranging from $300 to $1000...can't really see an arm tablet going for a grand...
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there is some pretty good S4 kit and not to mention NVidia's offerings out there, its possible it could go that high, but at that price id sooner get myself an x86

I think ARM tablets are going to go anywhere between 400 to 700 and x86 are going to be 700 to 1500.

You have to remember that W8 tablets not are hardware like neetbooks, those will be around 700 dollars no less at least prom the most famous manufacturers
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Another detail are the W8 ARM devices, these will be around the 400 dollars im pretty sure

How about just running it in a virtual machine on an ipad ? Or natively ?
The price point will have to be considerably less than an ipad to even be considered by folks.
As it is now, a tablet means an ipad to the population. For that matter, "tablet" may confuse people more, as ipad is what is recognized more widely and immediately.

Get you a Iconia W7 tablet for $300, and install W8 on it.
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Really don't see why they would be any more expensive than they are now. Its just a different operating system.....

vetvito said:
Get you a Iconia W7 tablet for $300, and install W8 on it.
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apparently MS has made some big gains in touch screen tech to go along with W8, whilst older tech will likely work if there are drivers, this new tech should make some of the issue disappear
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/03/28/touch-hardware-and-windows-8.aspx
not quite related to Win 8 but also worth a look
http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/microsoft-demos-a-high-performance-1ms-touchscreen-2012039/

I wouldn't buy WinRT, give me full Windows or give me nothing.
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probably between 200-1000$ depending on hardware performance

The Greatest Threat = Microsoft

I was reading an article on Android Police the other day entitled Why Android's Greatest Threat Isn't Apple - It's Microsoft.
I think the article has a lot of merit - the author could quite well be spot on.
I don't know about anyone else but I've been so focused on the Google and Apple recently that I didn't even stop to think about where Microsoft has been lately and what they've been up to.
Everyday there is something in the news about Google and/or Apple - their new products, services, another lawsuit or otherwise - there is always something. As for Microsoft, in comparison there is virtually nothing - or at least nothing of great interest.
All of sudden, out of no where, Microsoft announces the release of Surface. A day or two later, Windows Phone 8.
Surface, from what I've seen and read about it so far looks quite promising. Whether it's an iPad killer, or even whether it will make any dint at all in the tablet market is yet to be seen but in any case, I think it stands a good chance.
Windows Phone 8 is what's really grabbing my attention. The more I read about it the more intrigued I am to actually get my hands on one and test it out.
I've been a die hand Android/Google fan for a few years now and absolutely love Google's products and services - I never thought I would be dragged from them. There is something about Windows Phone 8, and even Microsoft in general recently that is causing me to pay great attention to what they are up to.
Do you think that Microsoft is a force to be reckoned with? If they play the game correctly, do you think we could see Microsoft taking on Apple and Google with brute force?
Obviously Microsoft is going to have to work damn hard to put even a dint in the tablet and smart phone market at the moment but if executed correctly, I think they have real potential to seriously cause some damage and shake up the market to a great extent.
I'm just throwing a few random thoughts and ideas out there. I could be way off and the release of Surface and Windows Phone 8 wont make one bit of difference at all. Time will tell I guess.
Your thoughts?

They're screwing over everyone who recently bought into them, namely the Lumia 900 crowd. I can't believe they're "starting over" just like after they killed Windows Mobile. The public outrage would be enormous if Android did such a thing. Announcing a new software version and then saying that ZERO previous devices, even very recent ones, would get the update is insane. MS shoots themselves in the foot once again, right after things started to look promising. They just can't do anything right in the mobile market.
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They're screwing over everyone who recently bought into them, namely the Lumia 900 crowd. I can't believe they're "starting over" just like after they killed Windows Mobile. The public outrage would be enormous if Android did such a thing. Announcing a new software version and then saying that ZERO previous devices, even very recent ones, would get the update is insane. MS shoots themselves in the foot once again, right after things started to look promising. They just can't do anything right in the mobile market.
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I totally agree with this. As a show of good faith, MS should allow early adopters to trade phones when the new ones come out. Something like $100 credit for the Lumia 710, $200 for the 800, $300 for the 900 etc.
But they would never do that.

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They're screwing over everyone who recently bought into them, namely the Lumia 900 crowd. I can't believe they're "starting over" just like after they killed Windows Mobile. The public outrage would be enormous if Android did such a thing. Announcing a new software version and then saying that ZERO previous devices, even very recent ones, would get the update is insane. MS shoots themselves in the foot once again, right after things started to look promising. They just can't do anything right in the mobile market.
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The only thing I don't agree is with the android part. Ics is on so few phones. Mostly only new ones are getting (especially moto phones). Unofficially yeah a lot of android phones have gotten Ics but officially not much.
I'm waiting for an mobile os as good as a desktop/laptop os. The hardware is better then my first real computer (I mean my windows me my first computer was runing windows 3.1 on a 486).
I would love to see that but for now I can only dream.
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I think Microsft is in full panic mode. The Iphone/Ipad and Android devices have shown the average consumer that they dont need Windows any more. Microsoft is scrambling to unify their interface so that they can hang on to curent customers. WP7/7.5 was a stopgap mesure to introduce the UI but fill the void while they readied Windows 8. unfourtunatly it might already be too late as the consumer market moves to Android and IOS and Windows 7 is looking like its going to be XP's second comming. (corporate use which is just starting to adopt win 7 will hang on to it for the next 15 years like XP) Windows 8 will just kinda pop in and out like Vista did. wich is good for the consumer becaus finally after 20 years of windows being the only game in town we will have choice. the big thing i think Microsoft missed and Google is just getting is the the secret to IOS's sccess was the content not the device itself. Apple got it all going in the 2003 with Itunes music store.

I used to be a WM man.....
....Until they stopped supporting it, then I went over to Android and never looked back, I would never trust Microsoft again, I can see the same thing happening again if they deem there is not enough profit in it for them.

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The only thing I don't agree is with the android part. Ics is on so few phones. Mostly only new ones are getting (especially moto phones). Unofficially yeah a lot of android phones have gotten Ics but officially not much.
I'm waiting for an mobile os as good as a desktop/laptop os. The hardware is better then my first real computer (I mean my windows me my first computer was runing windows 3.1 on a 486).
I would love to see that but for now I can only dream.
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The point I was emphasizing was that MS abandoned literally every previous phone. The Lumia was a flagship that just came out a few months ago. Thats like the HTC One X not getting a new software update if it were to come the next few months. Anyone who recently signed a contract for a WP7 I feel sincerely sorry for them.
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I agree that Microsoft has made some mistakes, especially with the upgrade fiasco because that was one of the claimed benefits to Microsoft, that like apple Microsoft controlled the update process and surely if you bought a phone you would see the newest update.
Although that doesn't bother me so much as I haven't gotten a wp7 device to get shafted. Wp8 does look intriguing. Especially the the amount that the mobile and pc operating share code. Hell directX support would make games awesome. However, one thing that after going from windows mobile and android that I don't see myself doing without, is the possibility to side load and use a file explorer. Without that I don't see myself using a smart phone is without that. It's just less pc like to me. If that was possible, Wp8 would look very promising. But heres to Microsoft riding Apple's coattails.
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I have been intrigued by windows phone 7 for a while now but I held back from getting one for one reason...windows 8 or whatever they were gonna call it. Basically I wanted to sit back and see how they were gonna further develop the platform to real big maturity.
The os itself looks really promising and smooth and has a lot of potential. I love the idea of live tiles and the metro UI. I'm quite sure I will be getting a windows 8 device and it won't be a PC first off either! Perhaps a tablet of smartphone.
I think windows is indeed perhaps the biggest threat to android in the long term. Unless apple really bring some innovation and make some changes to that plain boring iOS user interface. But yes windows phone 8 looks awesome and has loads and loads of potential.
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I feel that android and iOS in the phone industry will always be stable, people don't need to photoshop something or do something that requires a laptop or desktop on their cellphones. I do however believe android's and iOS's greatest threats is windows 8 on tablets whether its arm based or x86/x64 based just because its a better purchase, you have a laptop when you need it and a tablet when your on the go, that's one of the reasons why I replaced my laptop with the acer w500 tablet

PC for gaming : Windows
PC for general : Linux Mint
Tablet : iPad and Touchpad running CM9
Phone : S2 so Android with plenty of ROM options.
Would I switch to a Windows 8 phone? No because Microsoft are now so far behind Google and Apple it hurts.
Windows? Windied more like.
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They're screwing over everyone who recently bought into them, namely the Lumia 900 crowd. I can't believe they're "starting over" just like after they killed Windows Mobile. The public outrage would be enormous if Android did such a thing. Announcing a new software version and then saying that ZERO previous devices, even very recent ones, would get the update is insane. MS shoots themselves in the foot once again, right after things started to look promising. They just can't do anything right in the mobile market.
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I completely agree. I hate this kind of planned obsolescence. I used to think Apple was the worst, with their soldered-in CPUs, lack of support for standard storage expansion like MicroSD, batteries that can't be user replaced, and cutting features from major iOS updates to older iPhones for no technical reason. However, Microsoft is really taking the cake here. Not only is it bad for consumers, but it's bad for the environment. We're already a society that generates a ridiculous amount of tech waste, and Microsoft isn't helping. In comparison, Apple is looking pretty good, because when iOS6 comes out, it'll run on the year old iPhone 4S, 2-year old iPhone 4, and 3-year old iPhone 3GS which will be 4-generations behind by that point.
When it comes to planned obsolescence, it looks like Microsoft now takes top honors for being the worst. I used to be pro-Microsoft, but now I hope they miss every sales benchmark.

mckeowngoo said:
PC for gaming : Windows
PC for general : Linux Mint
Tablet : iPad and Touchpad running CM9
Phone : S2 so Android with plenty of ROM options.
Would I switch to a Windows 8 phone? No because Microsoft are now so far behind Google and Apple it hurts.
Windows? Windied more like.
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Behind by what metric? Sales? Sure. Technologically? After yesterday I really don't think that's the case. I am not sold on the entire interface and metro design ideas, but you can see the phones are pretty capable. If anyone is behind to me, it seems like Apple is woefully behind...
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I completely agree. I hate this kind of planned obsolescence. I used to think Apple was the worst, with their soldered-in CPUs, lack of support for standard storage expansion like MicroSD, batteries that can't be user replaced, and cutting features from major iOS updates to older iPhones for no technical reason. However, Microsoft is really taking the cake here. Not only is it bad for consumers, but it's bad for the environment. We're already a society that generates a ridiculous amount of tech waste, and Microsoft isn't helping. In comparison, Apple is looking pretty good, because when iOS6 comes out, it'll run on the year old iPhone 4S, 2-year old iPhone 4, and 3-year old iPhone 3GS which will be 4-generations behind by that point.
When it comes to planned obsolescence, it looks like Microsoft now takes top honors for being the worst. I used to be pro-Microsoft, but now I hope they miss every sales benchmark.
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Go look at the feature list for all those older phones with iOS 6 installed. For the most part, it's an upgrade in name only. Planned obsolescence? I am running the iOS 6 beta right now on a 4S and it is quite obvious the next iPhone will have a taller screen. So many interface elements now feel cramped and the "window" into the OS now seems much too small. This includes the design for the App Store, the new Maps, etc. It actually seems to me, quite clearly, that the ONLY "very good" iOS 6 experience will be occurring on the new iPhone.
The bottom line is that the upgrade experience on all of these mobile devices is incredibly poor. No one really does it right. At this point they should be as open as PCs. You buy a phone, you install whatever OS or software you want. The idea that carriers, and to a lesser extent OEMs, have any say on this over the user is ludicrous.

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Go look at the feature list for all those older phones with iOS 6 installed. For the most part, it's an upgrade in name only. Planned obsolescence? I am running the iOS 6 beta right now on a 4S and it is quite obvious the next iPhone will have a taller screen. So many interface elements now feel cramped and the "window" into the OS now seems much too small. This includes the design for the App Store, the new Maps, etc. It actually seems to me, quite clearly, that the ONLY "very good" iOS 6 experience will be occurring on the new iPhone.
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I haven't actually tried iOS 6 so I can't comment on the user experience, but it'll be more than just an upgrade in name. Since the core framework and kernel are being updated as well, it will run apps that are specifically compiled for iOS 6. It may not be the best user experience, but at least it won't leave people with old devices completely unable to run newer apps.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not praising Apple, but they are certainly looking better than Microsoft in how they treat their existing mobile users. It's completely the opposite of their philosophy with their desktop OS. Windows 7 was supposed to have lower system requirements than Vista so it could run well on older, existing hardware.

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I haven't actually tried iOS 6 so I can't comment on the user experience, but it'll be more than just an upgrade in name. Since the core framework and kernel are being updated as well, it will run apps that are specifically compiled for iOS 6. It may not be the best user experience, but at least it won't leave people with old devices completely unable to run newer apps.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not praising Apple, but they are certainly looking better than Microsoft in how they treat their existing mobile users. It's completely the opposite of their philosophy with their desktop OS. Windows 7 was supposed to have lower system requirements than Vista so it could run well on older, existing hardware.
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after owning an iphone 3gs I can say that it is a name upgrade only, when my device was upgraded to ios 4 not only was it slow, but it was crashing when I was trying to run apps that were designed for ios 4 and tbh id rather have not been upgraded than have been upgraded to software that was crashing my phone and making it almost impossible to use
sure you get an upgrade but tbh if a phone cant handle a newer os wouldn't it be better to have a good user experience on an earlier version and miss out on some of the new things than it is to have one like I described above
now I'm not defending Microsoft for dumping windows phone 7 for what ever the hell is next but apple is just as bad for breaking peoples phones so they HAVE to buy new ones because of how unusable their phones become

Is this the right place for the 7.8 debate? There's loads of threads for that already.
On topic, I think Microsoft are a threat to everyone right now. Apps on WP8 are potentially far more powerful than those on iOS or Android. The stuff they were talking about in that presentation is pretty stunning, with some amazing possibilities.

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Is this the right place for the 7.8 debate? There's loads of threads for that already.
On topic, I think Microsoft are a threat to everyone right now. Apps on WP8 are potentially far more powerful than those on iOS or Android. The stuff they were talking about in that presentation is pretty stunning, with some amazing possibilities.
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They may be more powerful but the development cost and end price will be higher to recoup the investment from a smaller install base.
I found the lacks of apps and high price of apps the downside of my win 7 phone.
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Microsoft is a huge threat to everyone now. At first Microsoft products didn't communicate good with each other, now you're looking at a real ecosystem. App parity on all of your devices. Same application on the PC phone and tablet. No one else can provide that right now.
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They may be more powerful but the development cost and end price will be higher to recoup the investment from a smaller install base.
I found the lacks of apps and high price of apps the downside of my win 7 phone.
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like yourself I also found windows phone 7 to be tasteless for the same reason, but you have to remember this is windows 8, a computer os, not a phone one, you can run every app you can from your desktop on x86 tablets and hybrids
the arm version I'm a bit skeptical about but there is going to be a way to emulate x86/x64 apps on the arm tablets, whether its official or through a company like VMware.
plus its not just about the apps but its also the games that improve as well, you can play full pc games on windows 8 along side with those mini games like angry birds and fruit ninja. not very many tablets out there that can play just cause 2 or call of duty, plus with xbox live integrated it will be a HUGE calling for children who use xbox live on a daily basis, heck its not even kids that will enjoy the xbox live integration, adults can as well. imagine playing hydro thunder or some other multiplayer game with your child while you are out of state/country
windows 8 does pose a huge threat to the android and iOS tablet market shares, sure its not gonna kill them off completely because you got your fan boys on both ends but its gonna be like the pc market share is now 90% windows, 9% apple, 1% inux/android
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Microsoft is a huge threat to everyone now. At first Microsoft products didn't communicate good with each other, now you're looking at a real ecosystem. App parity on all of your devices. Same application on the PC phone and tablet. No one else can provide that right now.
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^THIS

vetvito said:
Microsoft is a huge threat to everyone now. At first Microsoft products didn't communicate good with each other, now you're looking at a real ecosystem. App parity on all of your devices. Same application on the PC phone and tablet. No one else can provide that right now.
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Actually, Both in Plat Store and Apple Apps Store, There are what we call universal apps fir both phone and tablet. 1 app for 2 devices. nothing new. Except for the PC part

Where on earth can one buy a Surface tablet?

How is the Surface tablet supposed to be popular and give the iPad a run for its money if places to buy it are limited?
You can buy an iPad online, Apple stores and select retail stores.
Mircrosoft have a handful of Microsoft stores in the US ONLY. Is the only option to buy online direct from a Microsoft store?
Mircrosoft seriously needs to make the Surface table easy to purchase from a wide number of sources if it has any chance to great sales figures.
I for one can't wait. Upgrading to Windows 8 on my desktop, purchasing a top Windows 8 handset and a 16gb Surface RT tablet. This combined with Skydrive makes an awesome integrated OS - just like Apple with the iPhone, Mac OS, iPad and iCloud.

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How is the Surface tablet supposed to be popular and give the iPad a run for its money if places to buy it are limited?
You can buy an iPad online, Apple stores and select retail stores.
Mircrosoft have a handful of Microsoft stores in the US ONLY. Is the only option to buy online direct from a Microsoft store?
Mircrosoft seriously needs to make the Surface table easy to purchase from a wide number of sources if it has any chance to great sales figures.
I for one can't wait. Upgrading to Windows 8 on my desktop, purchasing a top Windows 8 handset and a 16gb Surface RT tablet. This combined with Skydrive makes an awesome integrated OS - just like Apple with the iPhone, Mac OS, iPad and iCloud.
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Take a chill-pill and wait for an announcement of Microsoft...?

Donny1987 said:
Take a chill-pill and wait for an announcement of Microsoft...?
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Which chill pill do you recommend?

Yeah, calm down man. You wrote this as if you already know that Surface will be difficult to find. Just wait till you actually hear something about where it will be available. Here's betting that-just like Apple-it will be available in MS stores, online, and at retailers like Best Buy. So relax.

Ok I will calm down I am sure I heard in the Keynote that you could only buy it through Microsoft. The thing is there are no physical Microsoft stores in Europe and that needs to be fixed.

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Ok I will calm down I am sure I heard in the Keynote that you could only buy it through Microsoft. The thing is there are no physical Microsoft stores in Europe and that needs to be fixed.
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i think it will be available in every store as are other tabs, laptops etc.
it might not beat ipad sales but will surely give a run for its money...
this is the only tab that i think has the power to take down ipad eventually....

If you truly can't wait, I then get a Samsung Series 7 Slate and load Windows 8. It's pretty close to a Surface, which is also made by Samsung.
It's pretty slick.
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How is the Surface tablet supposed to be popular and give the iPad a run for its money if places to buy it are limited?
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Considering the surface is the equivallent of an ultrabook in tablet form.... It's safe to say that it is beyond comparison to an ipad, unless said iPad was running OSX and the same Intel hardware as a MacBook.
Next time try not to say something so blatently idiotic.

Surface RT is only going to be on 6 models for the first 6-9 months. If I read correctly each chip maker was able to hand pick 2 companies to work with to make the first release of RT.
Now I am sure Microsoft and the 6 will have more then enough ways to feed the hunger for a Windows Tablet with and Arm chip.
Come the fall, you are not going to be able to find a place where there is no Windows RT available.
Yes right now, who knows where it's going to be sold, how much it will be.....
I am sure come Launch you will see a live event that will have all that information.
As it is right now.....everywhere I go I can not avoid the "Upgrade to Win8 for $15" ads, posters, radio spots.......
It's only 2-3 months away from Launch.......wait, be calm, don't panic....after your going to see how silly your words were!!!!

JSLEnterprises said:
Considering the surface is the equivallent of an ultrabook in tablet form.... It's safe to say that it is beyond comparison to an ipad, unless said iPad was running OSX and the same Intel hardware as a MacBook.
Next time try not to say something so blatently idiotic.
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I think you are the one who said something idiotic - not I. There are TWO Surfaces or have you forgotten? Surface RT is not equivalent to an ultrabook and can be put up against/compared to an iPad. Surface Pro is on par with an ultrabook as it has full blown windows under the Metro skin.
No need to jump down my throat

i secont that... RT is in direct competition with iPad where as Pro one, which will come out late, is an ultrabook

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Considering the surface is the equivallent of an ultrabook in tablet form.... It's safe to say that it is beyond comparison to an ipad, unless said iPad was running OSX and the same Intel hardware as a MacBook.
Next time try not to say something so blatently idiotic.
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I'm fairly sure microsoft is making surface in house, There may be samsung parts in it, but I do not think it is assembled by samsung. At least as far as ive read.

OrangeTang said:
I'm fairly sure microsoft is making surface in house, There may be samsung parts in it, but I do not think it is assembled by samsung. At least as far as ive read.
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if I recall correctly, and please correct me if im wrong, but MS doesn't have manufacturing lines, all their hardware is outsourced to other manufactures.

dazza9075 said:
if I recall correctly, and please correct me if im wrong, but MS doesn't have manufacturing lines, all their hardware is outsourced to other manufactures.
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Yeah...
it can easily be a rumor but i found this:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsof...-windows-surface-tablets-ipad-supplier-196106

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Yeah...
it can easily be a rumor but i found this:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsof...-windows-surface-tablets-ipad-supplier-196106
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that would make perfect sense, a manufacture that is already pumping out these things wouldn't need a massive change of direction to run another production line of a similar nature.
anyhow, wait until one pops out then we can rip it apart and look for point of origin signs

tboy2000 said:
How is the Surface tablet supposed to be popular and give the iPad a run for its money if places to buy it are limited?
You can buy an iPad online, Apple stores and select retail stores.
Mircrosoft have a handful of Microsoft stores in the US ONLY. Is the only option to buy online direct from a Microsoft store?
Mircrosoft seriously needs to make the Surface table easy to purchase from a wide number of sources if it has any chance to great sales figures.
I for one can't wait. Upgrading to Windows 8 on my desktop, purchasing a top Windows 8 handset and a 16gb Surface RT tablet. This combined with Skydrive makes an awesome integrated OS - just like Apple with the iPhone, Mac OS, iPad and iCloud.
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you might want to wait and see what surface sells like?
the surface presentation looked like a soft launch of alpha class stuffs for market testing...it wasn't even as solid as the wp7 early debut. "Limited supply" screams low commitment or low expectations from Microsoft.
Just sayin
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Greywolf_Ghost said:
As it is right now.....everywhere I go I can not avoid the "Upgrade to Win8 for $15" ads, posters, radio spots.......
It's only 2-3 months away from Launch.......wait, be calm, don't panic....after your going to see how silly your words were!!!!
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Take pictures, post them here... it would be neat to see some marketing again from Microsoft.

Most places like Best Buy and Futureshop have the deal on, I know I even saw it on the MS website.

Except for a tiny link on most sites, you would think Windows 8 was not going to happen anytime soon.
Windows 8 Metro relies HEAVILY on touch or high end trackpad support. PS/2 trackpads that are on the vast majority of laptops don't cut it with their pseudo-multitouch.
I am going to get a Samsung 7 because I am excited as an avid Mac and Windows Phone user that something so elegant and powerful is coming to the desktop.
Current hardware basically stinks to high heaven for getting a good Windows 8 experience because even RTM makes using the desktop difficult because desktop apps are hidden by default. This is a completely new OS, not at all an upgrade.
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I never did get an apology from JLEnterprises
Anyway, what sucks about the 14.99 windows upgrade is that the special price is only valid if you have purchased a PC with Windows 7 from June 2, 2012 to January 31, 2013. If you have a PC with Windows 7 prior to June 2012 (as I have), I guess we have to pay the full monty for it. Ho hum!

RT can't be compared to iPad because it doesn't have nor could it have the same amount and quality of apps.

[Q] How long will the nexus devices get proprietary binary support?

So i was considering to buy a tab or a laptop in near future. I'm concerned about using native Linux on the device , which can be either ubuntu or any other GNU/Linux. My main concern is the device must not get outdated for atleast 5 or 6 years.
With laptop the choice is simple. I will go for any laptop with intel processor and intel HD graphics since intel graphics has better open source driver support.
But with tab, i have a lot of confusion. I see that the nexus devices have a better support for proprietary binaries whenever a newer android version is released. But how long are they going to have them. And since i need GNU/Linux , will these nexus proprietary binaries work for ubuntu ports. It seems canonical is already working on bringing ubuntu 13.04 to nexus7, but how about the proprietary binaries. Will everything on nexus7 work in ubuntu the same way it worked in Android? And if yes, how long?

If you need a "real" Linux, you have no choice but to get a laptop.
Real Linux on Android devices is experimental, unstable and not suited for "productive use".

My main concern is the device must not get outdated for atleast 5 or 6 years.
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lol. Cannot believe this is a serious question.

JohnRM said:
lol. Cannot believe this is a serious question.
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I thought that at first, but maybe the op is planning on deployment of the tab as a part of a larger infrastructure. 5 year shelf life is not that crazy or unreasonable if it is being used for a specific job.
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Thanks for the replies. I just don't want to upgrade devices frequently and I need it only for personal use. I will consider getting an intel based laptop as I'm tired of getting devices outdated in 2years of purchase (and support for native linux as well).

nfs1mw said:
Thanks for the replies. I just don't want to upgrade devices frequently and I need it only for personal use. I will consider getting an intel based laptop as I'm tired of getting devices outdated in 2years of purchase (and support for native linux as well).
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I don't think its a case of the device being outdated. As the Nexus surely wont be outdated in 2 years.
In my opinion, its more of the fact that I get bored of my device after a couple of years, and generally want a new one.
I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOUR LOOKING TO KEEP A SINGLE DEVICE AND USE IT FOR 6 YEARS?! Won't you get bored?

Bored? I still have and use my Amiga 3000.
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Wilks3y said:
I don't think its a case of the device being outdated. As the Nexus surely wont be outdated in 2 years.
In my opinion, its more of the fact that I get bored of my device after a couple of years, and generally want a new one.
I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOUR LOOKING TO KEEP A SINGLE DEVICE AND USE IT FOR 6 YEARS?! Won't you get bored?
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Maybe I'm or maybe I'm not, I don't really know. But I can't afford for frequent device upgrades. The main point I considered nexus7 is its price is very cheap relative to its specifications. All i want is some linux device with up-to-date OS firmware for longer duration.

phillip1953 said:
Bored? I still have and use my Amiga 3000.
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I still have my OG Xoom from early 2011 which is incredibly well built, and it has just gotten updated to 4.2.1 thru TeamEos custom rom. I still love it and Eos keeps it relevant and pretty smooth, however, Android OS has been growing at a rapid pace and in a while, the wifi Xoom (an unacknowleged Nexus device) will not be able to digest the new OS. Since the Xoom is still less than 2 years old, that gives an idea of the potential lifetime of these devices. My Xoom will continue to give me many years of service as a music player (using the multimedia dock) and in many other ways, but for my daily needs, I need something newer.

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I don't think its a case of the device being outdated. As the Nexus surely wont be outdated in 2 years.
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I hate to say it, being the Android fan that I am, but no Nexus device to date has received a full two years of updates before getting dropped from updates. Nexus One was released in January 2010 and the first update it didn't get was ICS, released in late 2011. The Nexus came out in mid-December 2010, and got dropped with the release of 4.2 just shy of two years later. That doesn't bode well for the new ones, even if today we can say "quad-core? That'll never become obsolete!"
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My main concern is the device must not get outdated for atleast 5 or 6 years.
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What?
Even Macs don't have that much of a staying power. You're in for a rude shock if you think a tablet (or laptop) is going to successfully last you 5-6 years. If the sheer boredom/death of the battery won't do it, the fact that apps won't be actively developed on it certainly will.

cmstlist said:
I hate to say it, being the Android fan that I am, but no Nexus device to date has received a full two years of updates before getting dropped from updates. Nexus One was released in January 2010 and the first update it didn't get was ICS, released in late 2011. The Nexus came out in mid-December 2010, and got dropped with the release of 4.2 just shy of two years later. That doesn't bode well for the new ones, even if today we can say "quad-core? That'll never become obsolete!"
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Correct. Nexus one was dropped with release of android 4.0 and nexus s was dropped with release of 4.2 according to this page.
rebelx said:
What?
Even Macs don't have that much of a staying power. You're in for a rude shock if you think a tablet (or laptop) is going to successfully last you 5-6 years. If the sheer boredom/death of the battery won't do it, the fact that apps won't be actively developed on it certainly will.
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I don't know about Mac but let's consider windows xp or windows 7 both of which are supported for 10years . Anyone buying a PC/laptop with windows7 can use it for around 10years if they wish to.
In linux, a single OS release maynot have a life of 10years (the best i can find is UBUNTU LTS with 5years support). But if a PC/laptop with linux uses no proprietary drivers, it can easily have 10years life.
I don't mind using older hardware or lack of apps . I just need to be on up-to-date Operating System for long-time. I currently don't see it is possible in mobile world.

I think this too...I bought a windows 7 laptop more then a year ago, i've just upgraded to windows 8 and I will use it for at least 6 years more...
I've also have a N7, which I really consider a great buy, but I don't expect to use it more then 3-4 years... Considering 2 years google support + 2 years of custom roms...
It's true that the N7 has replaced the 70% of my laptop's usage but they are different, also considering the price: spending 200€ or $ for a 16 gb Nexus 7 id different from spending 700 for a good laptop...