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[POLL] for people who are looking for a good phone to buy

ok so i have seen a lot of threads about wich phone they should buy next. but none of them had poles. here is a poll to see wich is voted out of all the options above. By all means, you can reply if you wish. so i will leave it up to you to make a decision. thats as modern as it gets
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-wilbso

I'm getting either a Xperia Play or a HTC Sensation XE.
Its a big leap from an X8.

IrishStuff09 said:
I'm getting either a Xperia Play or a HTC Sensation XE.
Its a big leap from an X8.
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thanks for the quick reply. select your option in the poll if you can.

Neo or Neo V very nice phone
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Sorry to "crash" the party, but I'd never buy a Sony (Ericsson) ever again.
Why? Simple...
- Lousiest support I've ever seen.
They may release the one or another ROM update for their phones, but, in terms of W/X8, dropping support after just a year with lousy excuses like "oh sorry, Froyo won't run satisfactory on your devices and Gingerbread is well beyond the capabilities" is what I take as "****ing the customer over big time".
- Somewhat solid hardware packed into cheap-ass plastic.
I don't know about you but my major gripe with the X8 has always been the back cover which just crackles/crunches when you hold the phone.
That being said ... I wouldn't opt for something else than a Samsung or Motorola. I'm deeply satisfied with my Galaxy S2. Sturdy design, nice looking and so far a great support from Samsung.
That's of course my opinion, your mileage may vary.

B.Jay said:
Sorry to "crash" the party, but I'd never buy a Sony (Ericsson) ever again.
Why? Simple...
- Lousiest support I've ever seen.
They may release the one or another ROM update for their phones, but, in terms of W/X8, dropping support after just a year with lousy excuses like "oh sorry, Froyo won't run satisfactory on your devices and Gingerbread is well beyond the capabilities" is what I take as "****ing the customer over big time".
- Somewhat solid hardware packed into cheap-ass plastic.
I don't know about you but my major gripe with the X8 has always been the back cover which just crackles/crunches when you hold the phone.
That being said ... I wouldn't opt for something else than a Samsung or Motorola. I'm deeply satisfied with my Galaxy S2. Sturdy design, nice looking and so far a great support from Samsung.
That's of course my opinion, your mileage may vary.
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I agree with you, SE definitely worst support for their smartphones.
But too bad, i love only SE designs phones.
I satisfy with my X8 now, my daily usages are only Opera Mini, calls, whatsapp and text. The phone's performance is ok for me, the only bad thing is the screen is too small.
I will not buy any phone within next 9months, and since my contract is end on Jan 2013 too.
I think i will buy Arc S for next, or similar to USD 250-300 around end of the year.

B.Jay said:
Sorry to "crash" the party, but I'd never buy a Sony (Ericsson) ever again.
Why? Simple...
- Lousiest support I've ever seen.
They may release the one or another ROM update for their phones, but, in terms of W/X8, dropping support after just a year with lousy excuses like "oh sorry, Froyo won't run satisfactory on your devices and Gingerbread is well beyond the capabilities" is what I take as "****ing the customer over big time".
- Somewhat solid hardware packed into cheap-ass plastic.
I don't know about you but my major gripe with the X8 has always been the back cover which just crackles/crunches when you hold the phone.
That being said ... I wouldn't opt for something else than a Samsung or Motorola. I'm deeply satisfied with my Galaxy S2. Sturdy design, nice looking and so far a great support from Samsung.
That's of course my opinion, your mileage may vary.
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Yes. Very good point. They don't really care about their designs etc
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so far, the xperia arc and other are drawing. 6 votes each. interesting

Is this gonna be one of those threads that won't get replied at. Lol. Keep voting
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SE is all about the design of their phones. I seek performance.
Voting for Samsung, HTC and Motorola!

Depending the price and screen size either Mini Pro or Pro if a hardware keyboard is something you want. I realised after I had bought my X8 that it would have been nice with X8 with hardware keyboard and it seems Sony (Ericsson) thought the same thing since they released the Mini Pro

ray or mini form 2011

m also not very satisfied with my xperia x8, but i still love SE ..................eagerly waiting for sony xperia s

i really like motorola droid razr max because its battery lasts longer.. 3300mah!! that would really last longer..but sad its only for verizon huhuhu..it wouldnt work here in the phils.
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could anyone suggested me a phone with a good battery?? anyone??

Maybe the moto defy+, btw seems that motorole has some models with good battery.
I'm satisfied with my x8 too, it was a very cheap purchase, even if locked with a 12 month contract. And I like the clean layout.
But as others have said, YMMV... It's full of mobile phones out there.

Chris95X8 said:
SE is all about the design of their phones. I seek performance.
Voting for Samsung, HTC and Motorola!
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+1.. Maybe the next ICS phone from Moto.

kust0r said:
Maybe the moto defy+, btw seems that motorole has some models with good battery.
I'm satisfied with my x8 too, it was a very cheap purchase, even if locked with a 12 month contract. And I like the clean layout.
But as others have said, YMMV... It's full of mobile phones out there.
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i am planning to save some money to buy a new phone because my x8 is kinda old its almost a year using it..its been almost a year and i am really satisfied with what my x8 has done much for me..i want to buy moto phones because it has good battery

Dear wilbso, I will go for ARC or ARC S in next few months.
Just because of the Design keeping the worst service quality aside. I have voted for ARC also.

dipusen said:
Dear wilbso, I will go for ARC or ARC S in next few months.
Just because of the Design keeping the worst service quality aside. I have voted for ARC also.
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thank you for voting. good choice

The new Xperias look really good, but sadly they aren´t dual-core-phones.
ATM, I need a new PC, so I won´t buy a new phone in the near future.
My contract ends in November, and I think that until then, smartphones with tegra 3 will be available, so my next phone will mist probably be a quad-core phone, maybe a HTC or Samsung.

Xperia S from an x10 user's perspective

A week ago, I passed on to the XS from my good ol' x10 and think that opinionating would be useful for some of you that are in the decision process. Beware, this will be a long one:
Design: Looks is great. Holds firmly in the hand. Transparent bar is very distinguished. Capacitive dots might rarely be missed or rarely unresponsive though, but very rarely after you get used to. Phone seems a bit big in the beginning but you get used to that after a few days and start to enjoy the bigger screen and higher ppi. However, I don't think I would buy a phone that even is two millimeters longer.
Media: Screen and videos are gorgous and even 30% brightness is more than enough for me. If only it had in-house diverse video playing capabilities. Sound is quite good too. I will not even say a word about the camera quality but be aware that I'm neither an audiophile nor a videophile (is this even a word?). I'm personally against no-card-slot as migrating your files is as easy as inserting the card to another phone in case of phone failure. Anyway, I guess technology is trending toward no-slots, which is also in favour of speed.
Performance: Very fast, even as is (2.3.7?). Battery is better than x10 but could have been better with respect to the duration that passed between the two technologies. By the way, phone is very stable.
Usage experience: Like two different eras when compared to the x10. I had missed multitasking very much since it was almost impossible with x10 after the 2.3 upgrade. You can hear the ringtones from the speaker while headset connected. In-call screen looks better and optimized and smartsearch is very efficient as some of you might already know with x10. I liked the keyboard. One problem is igo fills only some of the screen at the moment due to incompatible resolution. Fast charging is not true as Sony have stated recently that they never said such a specification. Be also aware that your expensive headset might not work as Sony have shifted to another standard, which iphone also utilizes. Nonetheless, I read that some had problems with the bitten fruit headsets, too. But I guess x10'ers are accustomed to headset compatibility issues.
Price/perf.: I will not get into that old-cpu-discussion which is currently irrelevant (or for at least 1.5 years?). Other than gaming, which I don't do, what software would require that in the coming months? And no ics out of the box, is that even a con? How many phones currently officially have it? Is it stable, do all apps support it at the moment?
So, I think that, in current market conditions, it deserves well the money you pay (~€450).

Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
While I'm prepared to accept the dual core cpu (not being a gammer myself).
The lack of ICS straight out of the box is a big failure for the phone. Gingerbread is yesterdays man and a phone that's intended as an upgrade should be just that..an upgrade.
We even have the funny situation where the 2011 phones from SE will even spot ICS b4 the 2012 phones. Strange indeed.
SE made a lot of noise last year about being on point with software versions but look a year later, they are back to the same old crap.
I've ordered one...yes...will I keep it....who knows. I'll play with it for a few days and if I notice any real weaknesses in it. It's going straight back.
I am very reluctant to give my money to a company that just seems to refuse to get it and by that I mean the fact that android sells these phones and that's that. These phone manufacturers have been making phones for years since the iPhone came out without making an impression until android came on the scene.
Samsung, htc and others seem to have got it but SE for some inexplicable reason
despite insisting on making android phones refuse to embrace the platform completely.
SE need to stop selling SE phones running android and start releasing android phones made by sony.( if u catch my drift)
Until they make that philosophical shift, they will continue to lag behind.
Xperia s...fantastic display(the best available), great camera, competent hardware specs. But once again released with dated software.
Its not so much gingerbread that I resent, it's the fact that the very same company considering all that happened with the x10, is back making the same stupid stupid mistake.
Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.

if i had the money i would buy it but the hardware seems to average, almost every dual core has the similar specs, and i think that the main disadvantage is to launch a dual core in the era of quad cores...
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zodiac100 said:
Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
While I'm prepared to accept the dual core cpu (not being a gammer myself).
The lack of ICS straight out of the box is a big failure for the phone. Gingerbread is yesterdays man and a phone that's intended as an upgrade should be just that..an upgrade.
We even have the funny situation where the 2011 phones from SE will even spot ICS b4 the 2012 phones. Strange indeed.
SE made a lot of noise last year about being on point with software versions but look a year later, they are back to the same old crap.
I've ordered one...yes...will I keep it....who knows. I'll play with it for a few days and if I notice any real weaknesses in it. It's going straight back.
I am very reluctant to give my money to a company that just seems to refuse to get it and by that I mean the fact that android sells these phones and that's that. These phone manufacturers have been making phones for years since the iPhone came out without making an impression until android came on the scene.
Samsung, htc and others seem to have got it but SE for some inexplicable reason
despite insisting on making android phones refuse to embrace the platform completely.
SE need to stop selling SE phones running android and start releasing android phones made by sony.( if u catch my drift)
Until they make that philosophical shift, they will continue to lag behind.
Xperia s...fantastic display(the best available), great camera, competent hardware specs. But once again released with dated software.
Its not so much gingerbread that I resent, it's the fact that the very same company considering all that happened with the x10, is back making the same stupid stupid mistake.
Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.
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Agree about the ICS part, it's a shame that Xperia S doesn't come with ICS out of the box but still for a smartphone at least (not tech in general) I think style is very important too and don't forget its awesome camera so I still find the Xperia S to be a great choice & I disagree completely about it being history when SGS3 is released, There are still a lot of people (like me) who prefer to have a phone with great specs with enough perf & speed for their needs & awesome camera & display rathe than a super fast powerful piece of brick which they won't even need ever to use it to its full potential, and not a fair comparison anyway since sgs3 is a newer phone (relase time-wise)

zodiac100 said:
Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
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Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.
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Son, well, you are totally wrong there. How come iphone sells too many if not for design and presentation? How sophisticated is it?
You also are talking about a phone whose specs are not confirmed and yet to end XS at we-even-not-know-what-release date! Some sense pls. Of course, a few months are long enough for higher tech but then what. There will always be some model with better specs than the former.
XS is a good choice for its price.

blakwhite said:
Son, well, you are totally wrong there. How come iphone sells too many if not for design and presentation? How sophisticated is it?
You also are talking about a phone whose specs are not confirmed and yet to end XS at we-even-not-know-what-release date! Some sense pls. Of course, a few months are long enough for higher tech but then what. There will always be some model with better specs than the former.
XS is a good choice for its price.
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He might be talking about a phone that we dont really know about but considering the SGS2 is practically on par with the xperia S, its logical to asume the SGS3 is going to be a beast compared to both thus stomping them in the perf department
Love the Xperia S tough even if i dont have it i agree that the power it has is enough for most needs
But since the phone JUST released, it would have been a smart move to make it ICS ready but i guess theyre not done with their ics update(why do these companies take so long?)
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I disagree with the notion that Sony hasn't learned anything. They even got to the extent of releasing official bootloader unlocking and support the Cyanogenmod community, if that is "refusing to embrace android" i really don't understand what is.
What phones in the market now are ICS out-of-the-box? besides the obvious answer Nexus S of course.

a.monteiro said:
I disagree with the notion that Sony hasn't learned anything. They even got to the extent of releasing official bootloader unlocking and support the Cyanogenmod community, if that is "refusing to embrace android" i really don't understand what is.
What phones in the market now are ICS out-of-the-box? besides the obvious answer Nexus S of course.
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All of the new phone from all manufactures even hauwei all spoting ICS. HTC, LG.
tHE XPERIA S is the only 2012 phone without ICS.
Unlocking bootloader does not improve your phone...an OS UPGRADE does and on that front sony ericsson are very reluctant participants. It's always one excuse after another.
I've just received my xperia s but right now even though totally blow away by the display and the speed of the device, I am still minded to send it back because of gingerbread.
Unlike most of you, I find gingerbread on this phone just annoying..I mean common gingerbread in 2012?
And as for Apple. They got a head start and have a mass of mindless followers. Most people who I know who own iphones actually believe it to be the best and most sophisticated. They think android is a pale imitation. They are mostly noobs and remain so until they actually get to play with android and then slowly even if not totally their minds begin to change.
Apple as a company especially their iPhone brand is on the way down. The iPhone 4 was their last hoorah.
If you've got apple shares...pity you. I see another bubble exploding just as it did in the nineties against microsoft when apple sacked no other but their marketing man (and I stress marketing because that's what apple are in essence) Steve Jobs

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what nobel prize winning innovation you find in ics that is not there in gb?
i really wanna know what such feature in ics is there on which your oxygen supply is depending on?
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Well if your waiting for Nobel prize winning innovation, then you m must be on some next ****.
Ics has a new task management system that allows you to control running applications almost as well as windows does. That's a big change. Even Sony describe it as a major overhaul.
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zodiac100 said:
Well if your waiting for Nobel prize winning innovation, then you m must be on some next ****.
Ics has a new task management system that allows you to control running applications almost as well as windows does. That's a big change. Even Sony describe it as a major overhaul.
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i have used the arc on gb and ics.both...
ics gives half the battery life of gb...
for me personally that's a downside
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if you ask me to point out a firmware flaw in xperia s, I'll say... its the absence of 3.0 kernel rather.than absence of ics
coz you'll get ics anyways later...but sony will never upgrade kernel (they never do)
and because.it.comes with gb and you get ics later as upgrade, means you have a choice betweem gb(battery life) and ics (performance)....
a phone that.comes with ics doesn't have that choice....
you'll say downgrading is insane....but i did downgrade from vista to xp after getting fed up with it in 2 months....
its not like new version is necessarily better than old version for all needs
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Comparing battery by a beta rom on arc doesn't mean that ics have inferior battery(and that to with sony bloat)
You are doing good dev work now a days but you don't know the benefit of ics over gb?
For me battery life is 2x
Being a daily ics user i can say that

xperia s will get it in 2 months...so what's the difference....
i mean.... its not.like it'll never get ics...
btw all major tech website reviews of ics have noted greater resource usage....hopefuly they are not lying...lol
btw for arc ics will not be that beneficial even in final rom... coz its single core...
ics extracts power of dual core from your phone efficiently...lol that's why you are feeling the boost
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championswimmer said:
xperia s will get it in 2 months...so what's the difference....
i mean.... its not.like it'll never get ics...
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I am taking for ics in general, not xperia s
championswimmer said:
btw all major tech website reviews of ics have noted greater resource usage....hopefuly they are not lying...lol
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I know but because of features added and some more apps to have a good experience out of the box and not download apps for this or that from market
battery is 2x for me
Self experience is much better than blogs
So am i lying?
championswimmer said:
btw for arc ics will not be that beneficial even in final rom... coz its single core...
ics extracts power of dual core from your phone efficiently...lol that's why you are feeling the boost
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Again i am talking about ics, not any phones
and if we take xperia s(which is dual core) is missing that
And HW acceleration is also a much better feature
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-2-3-gingerbread-vs-android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-37742/
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-ph...ce-cream-sandwich-beats-gingerbread-50006183/
http://www.myhtc.biz/2011/ice-cream-sandwich-android-4-0-features-benefits/

zodiac100 said:
All of the new phone from all manufactures even hauwei all spoting ICS. HTC, LG.
tHE XPERIA S is the only 2012 phone without ICS.
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XS is in the market since early march and, by the time, there were no official ics phones other than google's.
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Unlocking bootloader does not improve your phone...an OS UPGRADE does...
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Really? That's very new for me. Shame on htc desire developers who developed kernels and cooked roms and made the phone very usable even in 2012. One with open bootloader would not need the sole support of companies and may use whatever rom available by 3rd parties.
Anyway, I don't understand this ics-right-away fixation.

@sahib
well, i cant argue much coz you have more ics experience than me...
but its all like xp vs win 7 debate i guess....
i still have xp to play games on my laptop.... win7 cannot run games at full resolutions on my slow computer....but for everything else, win7 is better....
there is a post on sony mobile.website which outlines where gb is better and where ics is better... i would suggest everyone to look at that post... and then decide on whether to use gb or use ics...
its all about what you want from your phone and which software fulfills your needs most.
and lemme make it clear....I'm not an ics critic....
its great...and it has many awesome new features...but i just wanna say that ics is not that important to make a question of life and death....
(and yes...my personal opinion...everyone's might differ)
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I saw that post on phonearena but its for 2011 devices which have 512 mb ram which causes the problems(and you have sony bloadware like timescape which is huge ram consuming)
But we are in xperia s thread which have 2x ram capacity so no problems
and its not like windows 7 and xp
Ics adds features other than visual changes
like HW acceleration and optimized for dual core phones

The general user does not know or care if he has a S3 or S4/Exynos/A5/etc. To them, if it says dual core, its about the same. What they do care is the screen quality, styling, how it feels in their hands (Quality, shape), and maybe some technical terms/slogans that they feel means anything to them, like Bravia (SuperAMOLED, Retina display, etc). Also many if not most take opinions of peers, or even who is advertising for the phone as guides to their next device. To them, GB is the same as ICS, its Android. Just like iOS, do they really know whats different between iOS? Not really.
You guys are the minority that tweaks and mods their phones, not the majority. Most of my friends have no idea what a ROM is much less kernals and android versions. You saying the X S will fail just because of lack of ICS at launch? Wrong, its selling extremely well in Europe as well as Asia. I actually remember an article stating its mostly sold out in the UK due to its display and styling.
Hardware wise, its not the latest, but it doesn't have to be. Its fast enough, and the screen is good, which affects the user experience the most.
I'm not saying the X S is perfect, but its a good combination of hardware where it matters and software that works well for users. There isn't any ground breaking ICS feature that everyone absolutely needs to have. You are a power user, you might use the task manager more, but most people won't even touch it.
Several of my friends still used 1.6 on their X10s when 2.3 came out. Most people really don't bother with it. Likewise with other phones.
XP/Vista was due to widespread press release of how bad Vista was. To this date most people believe its a horrible OS even though by SP1~2 it was sorted out. Fully patched Vista is performance wise the same as 7, yet no one cares because the name is already bad, hence 7 was rushed out. Mass media and word of mouth = what consumers hear, not some tech forum or blogs. This is also why the iphone is successful. Good ad campaigns are game changers.
Experiences from..
using the X10, Ray, iPhone 4, and played awhile with a Sensation XE. Friends of all sort. Advertising class.

Xperia S came in market in early March so th eproduction of the phone started early this year,which phone had ICS at that time??? all the current XS are made in jan-feb...wait till april and there will be out of box ICS.
I remember wit X10 there was a big issue with the first slot,the USB was glues so breaking off was common,i myself got the phone replaced,lack of HD.but then the later version solved these issues,XS is good but i will wait for te next slot of XS which will have ICS,by that time all the issues regarding XS will also be solved

Upgrade from Arc S?

Hey guys, looking for some advice. I bought an arc s about 4 months ago to replace my dying x10i and I've been very happy with it, however it's starting to feel a bit dated and I don't know what would be a good upgrade. I have an excellent sim only contract so would like to buy a handset upfront, but I don't want to spend silly money.
I have installed ics and really like the experience, however the occasional lag is quite annoying. I think I just want a decent handset with more ram really, but I think a galaxy s2 would be equally dated in another 4 months.
I just bought an iPad 3 and really enjoy how nippy it is, I've been considering moving over to iPhone for my next phone..lout would have to wait and see what comes out this fall.
I dunno....maybe I just need to be patient but though I would check I'm not missing some super secret , perfect phone I haven't seen yet! Would. A Sony Xperia P be a good replacement for an arc s? Seems almost the same specs but double the ram... Thoughts?

Well as you are now forever locked into Apple as a single hardware supplier for your tablet, are you prepared to buy separate apps for your phone?
If so, then I would look at the Xperia S... If you aren't, then sell your iPad3, buy a decent Android tablet and a Xperia S.

My brother purchased an iphone4, i asked him if he new he would be restricted with apps, roms and hardware, he said yes its not a problem for him. Hes now wanting to be shot of it, every update destroys his jailbreak and it eats into his time putting it back again. In short he now wishes he hadn't gone down the apple route, although both he and i agree its a nice bit of kit just a bit restricted if you like fiddling and playing with software i guess. Each to their own i suppose. I think his main gripe is with the constant use of i tunes software for his films and movies. I rather like the look of that new hyabusa ? Very much Arc looking but slightly more updated specs, not sure it will be near top of the pops still when its launched here but that's never really bothered me as long as it does what i want it too alls good and rosey. More ram and dual core with a bigger screen will have to see how it sits in the hand. I picked up the SGS II last year and for me it didnt feel good in the hand so left it there i know my arc isnt bleeding edge far from it, butt eh screen is decent and it is comfortable, hope the hyabusa feels the same just hope it doesnt come with too high a price tag.

Well I'm quite happy with the stock ipad experience and quite happy to do the majority of my app purchases for gaming etc on that platform.
For my mobile, I don't play games or watch movies often... It's mostly Facebook, messaging, browsing etc. I know I could make do with a midrange phone for that but I like to be upto date and have a fast user experience. The xperia s feels a little too big when I've used it and I worry it will be the usual Sony affair and not be as fast as it should be with those specs.
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I saw the reworked arc s, harabusa or however it's spelt heh. That would be perfect but no idea when I could get one or how much it will be
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jomil said:
The xperia s feels a little too big when I've used it and I worry it will be the usual Sony affair and not be as fast as it should be with those specs.
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Well I don't have an Xperia S, but I have played with a entry level XPeria U, and it's Lightening fast, so much faster than my Xperia ARC S, which seems to be hobbled by too little RAM.

If you are a woman who has no time or need for Android development, who has no idea about hardware and wants something stable, buy your iPhone now and never look back... Android will not satisfy you, Xperia S, NXT whatnot ....
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Bushmaster78FS said:
If you are a woman who has no time or need for Android development, who has no idea about hardware and wants something stable, buy your iPhone now and never look back... Android will not satisfy you, Xperia S, NXT whatnot ....
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Errr okay, I'm not a woman. Thanks for that sexist comment though. I love tinkering with android and really don't see the point in having an iPad AND an iPhone, it's nice to have the best of both. All I'm concerned about is getting a decent upgrade which will last me.
How can it be that the Xperia U is faster than the S? That's not reassuring...often phones feel nippy when new and nothing installed. Or maybe the S will improve with ICS? I am considering getting an S as I could grab one for around £200

jomil said:
Errr okay, I'm not a woman. Thanks for that sexist comment though. I love tinkering with android and really don't see the point in having an iPad AND an iPhone, it's nice to have the best of both. All I'm concerned about is getting a decent upgrade which will last me.
How can it be that the Xperia U is faster than the S? That's not reassuring...often phones feel nippy when new and nothing installed. Or maybe the S will improve with ICS? I am considering getting an S as I could grab one for around £200
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The remark is basically inspired from what I have seen with my wife... She's a technology illiterate and iPhone did the trick for her. She had a decent android phone which basically "never worked right", regardless of updates etc. IPhone is a dumbed down version of android with no possibility to customize, with pretty eye candy, sold at a premium price ... IPad is the big brother... You catch my drift ... I just can't believe you spent money on an iPad ... But that's just me and nothing personal ...
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no problems fella. I just spent the last few hours unlocking my bootloader, changing the baseband, flashing a new kernel and loading arconium v2 onto my Arc S. Feeling pretty smug as I haven't done anything more than root a phone before... the phone is truely flying! Should last me another few months now.
Hurrah!

jomil said:
How can it be that the Xperia U is faster than the S? That's not reassuring...
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Sorry, typo, missed out the ARC bit..
The Xperia U feels REALLY fast compared to my ARC S
But then it's got a low-res display, so it's less for the GPU to drive, perhaps???? It's also Gingerbread not ICS....

jomil said:
no problems fella. I just spent the last few hours unlocking my bootloader, changing the baseband, flashing a new kernel and loading arconium v2 onto my Arc S. Feeling pretty smug as I haven't done anything more than root a phone before... the phone is truely flying! Should last me another few months now.
Hurrah!
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I suggest you to try JJHIBRID ROM. I was about to sell my arc S but when I tried this rom, I decided it will be good for another half a year.
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CrazyPeter said:
Sorry, typo, missed out the ARC bit..
The Xperia U feels REALLY fast compared to my ARC S
But then it's got a low-res display, so it's less for the GPU to drive, perhaps???? It's also Gingerbread not ICS....
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You know ARC S Rocks! too with GB

Bushmaster78FS said:
If you are a woman who has no time or need for Android development, who has no idea about hardware and wants something stable, buy your iPhone now and never look back... Android will not satisfy you, Xperia S, NXT whatnot ....
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That was down right sexist. Don't judge the whole mankind by one example. I'm a girl and would never sell my soul to the devil (read: Apple). Love Linux (Mint) and Android, and I'm quite an average ROM and kernel flasher.
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I suggest you to try JJHIBRID ROM. I was about to sell my arc S but when I tried this rom, I decided it will be good for another half a year.
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JJ's Hybrid ROM 3.2 was a fresh new beginning for my S-less arc. I'm not your average rich person who changes phones every 2 weeks, but I wouldn't even think about selling my arc if it wasn't for the super bad quality of the housing (cracks, etc.).
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No it wasn't sexist... .... It is not only one example that runs blind behind the stupid iphone bandwagon... Did you miss the pink otter boxes being sold everywhere for that precious iphone? You are or seem to be an exception...
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Bushmaster78FS said:
No it wasn't sexist... .... It is not only one example that runs blind behind the stupid iphone bandwagon... Did you miss the pink otter boxes being sold everywhere for that precious iphone? You are or seem to be an exception...
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Um, I happen to see more guys with iCrappers than girls in my country.
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sunbriel said:
Um, I happen to see more guys with iCrappers than girls in my country.
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Lol we are talking about an exceptional country here...
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Bushmaster78FS said:
Lol we are talking about an exceptional country here...
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I see more Samsungs and HTCs, with a bit of Sony (Ericsson) here and there. Apple might aim the female buyers, but it's far from being woman's only phone-friend. And I see you're from the States - the weird part of the world full of parents who buy their 4 yo an iCrapper to play with. I've always found US Americans super weird people.
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Truth be told I know plenty of guys, in military, flying attack helicopters, and drooling over iphones... Best they could do is jailbreak it and change the toolbar color... Whoop de doo... I played with my wife's 3gs... Simplified crap. I merely have Sony because all I own consumer electronics wise is Sony... Arc is an ok phone. But even with ion they are behind the power curve... If I were you I'd use that arc with their latest GB... Heck come up 250 bucks I can sell you my arc S. They fixed the Crack issue with arc S... Mine is brand new though
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Just to let you all know, I bought a galaxy s3 lol will let you know how much I like it!
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Goodbye my fellow arc fans

Today my Nexus 4 arrives and I will say goodbye to my arc S. It's been a great year here on XDA and I've installed many ROMs. Thanks to everyone here for making the experience so enjoyable.
In particular I'd like to thank doomed151 and jjdoctor for their excellent Arconium and JJs Hybrid ROMs - by far the best ROMs for this device in my experience. Also many thanks to the fxp team - CM10 is a wonderful product and it means a JB experience where Sony refused to deliver.
My arc S has the dreaded housing crack so I am sending it to Sony for a free repair before the warranty runs out and when I get it back I will put it on eBay as people still get a good price for them. With a new housing it will be like brand new and I hope whoever buys it loves it as much as I did. The design has never been matched in my opinion. Such a shame that the internal storage/RAM wasn't more generous else I think I'd of kept it. My Nexus will finally mean I get the latest version of Android which has always been my desire. I do like the Sony UX though - it is much better (and lighter) than Sense and the awful TouchWiz but I do feel they could of made a bit more of an effort to officially update the 2011 devices with the latest media apps, etc. I think Sony make too many phones and this leaves them spread to thin. They need a low, middle and high-end phone - that's it! Three devices a year is more than enough. I fear for Sony's future as their financial results are poor and the share price at a record low. It could end badly if they are not careful.
XDA is an amazing place. Take care everyone.
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rec71 said:
Today my Nexus 4 arrives and I will say goodbye to my arc S. It's been a great year here on XDA and I've installed many ROMs. Thanks to everyone here for making the experience so enjoyable.
In particular I'd like to thank doomed151 and jjdoctor for their excellent Arconium and JJs Hybrid ROMs - by far the best ROMs for this device in my experience. Also many thanks to the fxp team - CM10 is a wonderful product and it means a JB experience where Sony refused to deliver.
My arc S has the dreaded housing crack so I am sending it to Sony for a free repair before the warranty runs out and when I get it back I will put it on eBay as people still get a good price for them. With a new housing it will be like brand new and I hope whoever buys it loves it as much as I did. The design has never been matched in my opinion. Such a shame that the internal storage/RAM wasn't more generous else I think I'd of kept it. My Nexus will finally mean I get the latest version of Android which has always been my desire. I do like the Sony UX though - it is much better (and lighter) than Sense and the awful TouchWiz but I do feel they could of made a bit more of an effort to officially update the 2011 devices with the latest media apps, etc. I think Sony make too many phones and this leaves them spread to thin. They need a low, middle and high-end phone - that's it! Three devices a year is more than enough. I fear for Sony's future as their financial results are poor and the share price at a record low. It could end badly if they are not careful.
XDA is an amazing place. Take care everyone.
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My Nexus 4 will arrive soon(I hope tomorrow), but HELL NO! im not gonna sell my arc s, I love it

Good luckand have fun! I'll probably stick with this arc s for another year and a half and give it to my father
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I'm also waiting for my new Nexus 4. I'll give my arc s and I won't get another Sony again

I'll stick to my arc s for like 2 years or so.. Maybe if I won Xperia acro s or something I may change
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Sony lovers are not going to like this

http://m.techradar.com/news/phone-a.../sony-admits-our-phones-can-t-compete-1113159
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Poker gypsy said:
http://m.techradar.com/news/phone-a.../sony-admits-our-phones-can-t-compete-1113159
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its poor to admit such things publicly , each phone has their own advantage.
s3- fast and cutting edge features
iphone - reliable
nexus - google experience
sony - best looking phones

Off course it can't compete right now without a single handset 100% Sony.
What we have available is Sony Ericsson's devices with Sony brand.
Next year will be the year.
I really need a decent display with a lot of power under the hood.
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bala_gamer said:
its poor to admit such things publicly , each phone has their own advantage.
s3- fast and cutting edge features
iphone - reliable
nexus - google experience
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You spelt "totally locked up and uncustomisable" wrongly.

They might not compete with iphone5 or Galaxy S3 but not all people are looking for these high-end phones. Not everybody are flashaolic nerds like me. I know a lot of people who still use their phone as a.... PHONE!!! In this category Sony is still a good choice for a phone.(Even I never owned one)

I agree Sony is by far the best looking and best screen android phone, but the miss some points like locked bootloaders and not so good cameras.
I had a xperia s and the device from specs was very nice, from specs I would prefer it as the S3 processor beast. But then with the use you miss important things like USB on the go (not workink but promised) and the 12 mp cam was a piece of SH....

If that happens, maybe Sony will take Samsung's place. Sony devices are in fact, powerful with great support (Also AOSP)
And the system is 200% cleaner than TouchWiz.

disclaimernotice said:
You spelt "totally locked up and uncustomisable" wrongly.
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hahahaha....
very well said...witty and true! :laugh:

I dont really know.....they should make phone to rival sgs4 or iphone 5s/6....its nonsense to rival sgs3 (when its going to be year old flagship)...it is still going to sell well, but still...everybody says how sucky samsung devs are....but idk, they gave us some sweet features-sony should follow that step, high end hw<good software, today in my opinion....
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gaspernemec said:
I dont really know.....they should make phone to rival sgs4 or iphone 5s/6....its nonsense to rival sgs3 (when its going to be year old flagship)...it is still going to sell well, but still...everybody says how sucky samsung devs are....but idk, they gave us some sweet features-sony should follow that step, high end hw<good software, today in my opinion....
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it's nonsense to rival iphone. Android doesn't rival, Android beats.

If I am not wrong (stopped stalking for latest releases after buying the S3), Sony still doesn't have a quad core flagship, so if you were indeed a Sony lover you would have already accepted the fact that right now they don't aim for specs (like Samsung does obviously) and like to provide a nice quality phone with decent price, specs and software (updates + aosp release). This is not at all a bad thing and I like where Sony are headed in the Android world.

Sony has cut back a lot, austerity for them due to a loose wallet subsidising blueray with the PS3. Imagine SGS3 costing 20% of its production costs
They hardly make anything themselves now. It's like Honda giving up and rebranding Kia's instead. Karma me thinks, for Sony Music being fascist psychopathic murdering scum

bala_gamer said:
its poor to admit such things publicly , each phone has their own advantage.
s3- fast and cutting edge features
iphone - reliable
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Why does everyone use iphone and reliable in the same sentence? What's not reliable with an android phone? If anything, an iphone is much more unreliable (not hardware-wise, more like software-wise. Have you ever actually owned an iDevice in real life? If you did, you'd notice there are a lot more freezes and app crashes than with android.
Also, how can it be reliable if it doesn't even have proper multitasking?

Sony's 2013 top devices will have S4 PRO,5" 1080p screens,2gb RAM,water resistance,dragontrail glass,Exmor RS 16.2 mpx and 13mpx with third generation dual LED and the sexy look that only Sony know how to do...
But we just can wait with the best device in our hands right now.

If Sony really puts some weight behind these words, and they use the ST-Ericsson NovaThor SoCs next year, they will blow everything out of the water. The STE processors will be manufactured by Samsung, so they will have arguably the best mobile manufacturing process out there for the moment, while having the ImgTech G6xx0's GPUs which seem to look pretty unchallenged in performance.
Up until now all of Sony's devices were just outdated by a good more than half a year. In the mobile space where we basically have 1 year long product cycles, that's half of a product lifetime. The Xperia T is a nice phone, but at this point in time it's basically the same internal hardware as the One XL/S and NA S3's, which are 6+ months old. Don't get me started on the previous "flagships".
Let's hope they can deliver. They have the hardware available to do it.

testadeferro said:
I agree Sony is by far the best looking and best screen android phone, but the miss some points like locked bootloaders and not so good cameras.
I had a xperia s and the device from specs was very nice, from specs I would prefer it as the S3 processor beast. But then with the use you miss important things like USB on the go (not workink but promised) and the 12 mp cam was a piece of SH....
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Funny you mention that Sony cameras are not so good when the SIII and Iphone 4s uses a Sony sensor.
http://9to5mac.com/2012/06/01/chipw...sung-galaxy-siii-sports-the-iphone-4s-camera/
Anyway, in the flagship they can´t compete, shure, but in the rest of the range, it has the best ones.
I currently have the SIII but below that Sony does better than Samnsung, in price/quality, at least in my country.

Drakenfall said:
Funny you mention that Sony cameras are not so good when the SIII and Iphone 4s uses a Sony sensor.
http://9to5mac.com/2012/06/01/chipw...sung-galaxy-siii-sports-the-iphone-4s-camera/
Anyway, in the flagship they can´t compete, shure, but in the rest of the range, it has the best ones.
I currently have the SIII but below that Sony does better than Samnsung, in price/quality, at least in my country.
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I can tell you that my xperia neo takes better photos then my s2 and my former xperia s. But not better then the s3. This was tested with the 4 phones in the same places and in same conditions. I m a sony fan. Allways had sony Ericsson phones. And tell you thay the xperia s is a great deception. I m not a great fan from samsung I had some y op devices and allqays had problems with them. But one I ensure you. S3 is by far better then any sony. Last I tell you if the xperia s had some features that it could have without problems, like otg usb, external sd, removable battery, and decent software for cam, I had prefere it has the s3.
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disclaimernotice said:
You spelt "totally locked up and uncustomisable" wrongly.
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thats another part of the story

I tried so hard analyzing but now at last I know their reasoning behind releasing Xperia S, Xperia P, Xperia U, Xperia Acro S, Xperia T, and whatever Xperia (ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ) phone they released this year. All along and all this time, those phones were meant to challenge Galaxy S2, HTC Sensation, iPhone4s and other phones from last year! What kind of mindset is that for a company? What have you become Sony? Argh!

The iPhone's implementation of panorama is a great example on why Apple are so good at creating user experiences for the lowest common denominator.
Yes, that's a nice way of saying it's made for stupid people. But making things for stupid people requires very smart ideas.