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Will the laptop dock require tethering?

Ok so to pre order the atrix with the laptop dock you need the tethering option is that mandatory even if you buy the dock separately? Does the dock count as tethering?
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This was a line in the AT&T press release:
3. Laptop Dock - Firefox browser use with AT&T Mobile Broadband requires Tethering Plan.
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http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=18996&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=31555
Maybe now that there are units in reviewers' hands somebody can try putting in a SIM without tethering plan and see what happens? Has anybody asked?

This also brings up the question...Cant we just blow up the google android browser and use that then since its not against at&t rules haha?

The way the release reads, it implies that using the firefox browser on wifi will be fine, but it's not spelled out.

Ok so using fire fox is tethering so possibly all other browsers will be ok ........ if it winds up that the device being plugged in its self beings the tethering process it would only be a matter of time before it would get cracked ........ I say this because how will Tue phone know when its using firefox on or off the dock if the dock isn't sending its own coding into the phone if that made any sense ....... the dock is obviously putting the phone into dock mode but is this dock mode the reason the phone would register the laptop as tethering?
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From what I understand you can get the laptop bundle with tethering, and then cancel tethering afterwards and just simply use wifi. The laptop dock does not require 3G/4G data to be used, but to get the bundle discount they want you to sign up for tethering in hopes you'll keep that service.

I see and if that is the case I will get the bundle but I am wondering if the laptopdock omits a signal or something coding idk that is sent to the phone to say it needs to be tethering
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clopes91 said:
I see and if that is the case I will get the bundle but I am wondering if the laptopdock omits a signal or something coding idk that is sent to the phone to say it needs to be tethering
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If that were true, I could understand the tethering requirement, but the multimedia dock doesn't seem to have anything in it other than a USB hub, and Moto said that the laptop dock is just a battery, screen, keyboard, and trackpad, no circuitry other than that.

If I was going to get a laptop dock this is the one I would go with this one even comes with a bigger screen and a dvd drive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834107067
Screw AT$T

smitty1 said:
If I was going to get a laptop dock this is the one I would go with this one even comes with a bigger screen and a dvd drive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834107067
Screw AT$T
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LOL. If I didn't have a couple of netbooks (Cr-48 FTW) already I might consider the Atrix laptop dock... if only for the battery.

Lol I keep seeing the new netbooks and laptops coming out and I am getting more and more turned off by the phone but as of now this is all just talk we will see what's what when its released .............. and aabout the tethering issue if it weren't for that reason how would att catch Mozilla as tethering they are releasing their mobile browsers soon if not already ..... there has to be more to the tethering thing then just using Firefox
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The tethering issue is just the software AT$T has on the phone.
The phone is not going to come with tethering over usb. The only way you will be able to get it is by slide loading an app. for it or paying AT$T.

Not even considering the laptop dock its a $200 device that they want $500 for.
I will buy a $300 netbook with more features.
Not even sure about the atrix yet it will be months before it has any custom roms, granted its the badest ass phone on the market,or will be.
However I could buy the inspire and root and rom the same day, use wifi hotspot to connect my netbook.
I just cant decide.

Atrix will only be bad ass until tomorrow ( the 13th mobile world conference) when the galaxy s2 is shown that's going to blow everything out of water the only thing is that its for tmobile and I like my att so idk what I'm going to do hopefully we can just implement a modem and it will work for att but the atrix dock I'd out of hand 500 can get you a 13 inch laptop with 4 gb ram 500 gb hdd HD screen bluray reader writer windows 7 64 bit an Intel i7 quad core mobile .......... they dibt eveven comapare 700 for both or even 500 for the bundle? I will have to see what the roms are like when ifs realeased and Matt's phone selection has to grow much larger every carrier has attractive phones and att is just there but we will see ........ might be moving over to T-Mobile for the galaxy s2
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clopes91 said:
Atrix will only be bad ass until tomorrow ( the 13th mobile world conference) when the galaxy s2 is shown that's going to blow everything out of water the only thing is that its for tmobile and I like my att so idk what I'm going to do hopefully we can just implement a modem and it will work for att but the atrix dock I'd out of hand 500 can get you a 13 inch laptop with 4 gb ram 500 gb hdd HD screen bluray reader writer windows 7 64 bit an Intel i7 quad core mobile .......... they dibt eveven comapare 700 for both or even 500 for the bundle? I will have to see what the roms are like when ifs realeased and Matt's phone selection has to grow much larger every carrier has attractive phones and att is just there but we will see ........ might be moving over to T-Mobile for the galaxy s2
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But when will the Galaxy S2 come out? Not for a while, I'd guess, since I read that they are going to start manufacturing the chips soon (as in, haven't started yet).
However I could buy the inspire and root and rom the same day
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You'll need to, since it will suck like the other Samsung phones, and it won't ever get any updates (based on the history of the Galaxy line so far). My feeling is that Samsung's dev team is always going to be too busy working on new stuff to ever release a freakin' update for their phones. They've lost me as a customer, that's for sure.

Well the galaxy s and the epic are getting or got Tue froyo update already and what's better hardware or software update keep in mind we can't update hardware but software we can do every and anything to it? So its a no win situation but I love samsungs and motos so idk what to do
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clopes91 said:
Well the galaxy s and the epic are getting or got Tue froyo update already and what's better hardware or software update keep in mind we can't update hardware but software we can do every and anything to it? So its a no win situation but I love samsungs and motos so idk what to do
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Well at least they're finally getting froyo, although I've heard that before. I like Samsung's hardware a lot, but the support has been horrible as far as updates, thank God for XDA! The Galaxy S line is supposed to be a top of the line phone.... well to me it shouldn't be running outdated software. The Nexus S has nearly identical software, and it runs Gingerbread. Why doesn't the rest of the Galaxy S line? The ROM dump from the Nexus S already runs on the Captivate (although buggy), so if Samsung took a small amount of time to fix the drivers, it could be released. The least they could do is open source the drivers so XDA devs could do it.
If you're trying to choose which to get, I'd say wait and see. I'm unhappy with my Captivate, though, and had to buy my wife a Dell Streak since she hated hers so much. I'd buy one too if I wasn't waiting for the Atrix.
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One thing to consider also is if you have the unlimited data plan. If you go with the laptop dock and get the tethering plan your unlimited data plan goes away. Makes it not worth it for me. Confirmed it yesterday at att.

definitely not getting the atrix unless they figure out how to use dock with out The tethering
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Upcoming New Nexus 7 With *Built In 3G* ?

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/09/google-planning-3g-nexus-7-update-within-weeks/
Rumour mill is churning away!
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Would it be a game changer for you ?
I'm due a phone upgrade but could you use the N7 as daily driver phone with a BT headset ?

compact_bijou said:
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/09/google-planning-3g-nexus-7-update-within-weeks/
Rumour mill is churning away!
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Would it be a game changer for you ?
I'm due a phone upgrade but could you use the N7 as daily driver phone with a BT headset ?
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Yes.
I'm planning on getting a mobile hotspot to replace my phone *very* soon.

rudeguy said:
Yes.
I'm planning on getting a mobile hotspot to replace my phone *very* soon.
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If Google release an N7 with 3G then it looks like my Wife will be getting a slightly used N7 for Xmas :laugh:

compact_bijou said:
If Google release an N7 with 3G then it looks like my Wife will be getting a slightly used N7 for Xmas :laugh:
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It's a pitty I don't have anyone to give my old gear too.. Guess I'll have the Nexuses.

TheChaoticLlama said:
It's a pitty I don't have anyone to give my old gear too.. Guess I'll have the Nexuses.
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I send mine to bijou's wife too. Want her address?

Damn right!!!! Ideal replacement for the note a lot cheaper I'll bet. Was going to miss this coming Gen out, as my note is grt at all I ask. Also waiting for 4g in the UK.
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howard bamber said:
Also waiting for 4g in the UK
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That would be an iPad killer. A 4G Nexus 7.
Either way, even if it's 3G, I'm having one.

Can't imagine why I would buy something that requires another data plan when I already have a fully capable phone that I need to have with me all the time anyway.
The few times I've been out and about and needed data access I just turned tether on my phone and used that.
Talk about an unnecessary expense.
I'm tethered right now.
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krelvinaz said:
Can't imagine why I would buy something that requires another data plan
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31107284&postcount=36

for Canadians, getting a 3G plan for a tablet is close to insanity. no thanks.
but i agree, that would make N7 a great contender for iPad, which im all happy for.

I think it would be a lot better if its gsm 3g apposed to CDMA cuz there are a lot of discount sim companies out there
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Nexus S: Still worth getting?

HTC Thunderbolt user here. I have an upgrade with Verizon in the coming month, but I'm considering leaving my line on the family plan to a sibling and getting a GSM phone with tmobile bands. Would you guys say a used Nexus S is still a good buy, or should I just jumo to the Galaxy Nexus? Can't convince myself that both extending my contract and getting the gimped VZW GNex right now though. Anyway, if you could share your opinions, I'd appriciate it. Thank you.

armada786 said:
HTC Thunderbolt user here. I have an upgrade with Verizon in the coming month, but I'm considering leaving my line on the family plan to a sibling and getting a GSM phone with tmobile bands. Would you guys say a used Nexus S is still a good buy, or should I just jumo to the Galaxy Nexus? Can't convince myself that both extending my contract and getting the gimped VZW GNex right now though. Anyway, if you could share your opinions, I'd appriciate it. Thank you.
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Wait til October when Google releases the new Nexus Devices.
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Exit_Only said:
Wait til October when Google releases the new Nexus Devices.
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I thought it was November?

Exit_Only said:
Wait til October when Google releases the new Nexus Devices.
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Unless Google offers it at $350 also, probably priced out of what I can really afford. Though maybe it'd bring the GNex price down. Good advice. Oct/Nov is when my upgrade is anyway so I can decide then.

My 2 cents
The Nexus S is a fine phone, depending what you planning on doing with it. I would not recommend purchasing on a contract, but as an interim phone it should work great.
I personally found that I rarely used my phone as, you know, a phone and began resenting paying a high price for talk time I was barely using (Sprint). So I purchased a Nexus S off of ebay and use it strictly as a voip sourced phone using VOX over wifi.
To fill my need for a larger screen I picked up a Galaxy Tab (only $50) and use a 2 gig data plan with Verizon for $30/mo for when wifi not available as it comes with built in tethering. Though as an after thought I am wishing I went with the T Mobile 100/min and 5gig for $30/mo. The size of the Nexus S works in my particular case and easily upgrades to even JB so I am a happy flasher.
The Nexus S works great for a phone to have some fun while waiting for that next great thing, but might disappoint over the long haul against some of the current and upcoming monster phones.

If you're buying 2nd hand, I'd say GN is worth the extra 100$(€) difference.

Hi,
I had a Nexus S for years and, this phone ils absolutely perfect except two things.
No MHL compatibility: You can't put your screen phone on a TV or anything else..
No notification LED: I couldn't live without it after switching from x10 mini pro to Nexus S.
Last advice, if you get Nexus S, try installing SlimICS + Holo Launcher HD for a 2/3 day battery life by enabling the phone to only receive calls when the screen is off. (You can add things like sync every hours or such).
If you also want MHL, check for Samqung Galaxy S II.

It all depends on what you want. I like the size of the Nexus S. Its bigger than an iPhone, but way more portable than a Galaxy S3. The hardware is still decent. It runs JB just fine. Battery life is very good too.
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Tmobile has been cheap and a definite carrier upgrade to ATT in my area.
I want real carrier and phone upgrades instead of incremental ones.
In your situation I'd wait for the Oct/Nov release to make the switch.
My Nexus S has been a 99.99% solid companion since it's release in 2010.
I've had power button issues randomly for the past week but the JRO03L update seems to have fixed it.
I've enjoyed carrier and handset stability that's noticeable compared to my friends.
I've watched my Verizon buddies complain about "normal" use killing charge ad nauseum.
I've listened to my Sprint buddies complain about absent ROM support for phones that drove them nuts.
My ATT buddies, well the service still seems to have the same call quality issues I had years ago.
Hopefully my next upgrade will serve me as long and as well until the next jump in carrier bandwidth becomes a must-have.

Mine is a champ. No plan to upgrade when my contract is up.
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Nexus S is still great phone and I will keep mine for long time. I will rather buy tablet then new phone.

xAyla said:
Hi,
I had a Nexus S for years and, this phone ils absolutely perfect except two things.
No MHL compatibility: You can't put your screen phone on a TV or anything else..
No notification LED: I couldn't live without it after switching from x10 mini pro to Nexus S.
Last advice, if you get Nexus S, try installing SlimICS + Holo Launcher HD for a 2/3 day battery life by enabling the phone to only receive calls when the screen is off. (You can add things like sync every hours or such).
If you also want MHL, check for Samqung Galaxy S II.
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Not my plan to derail the thread, but you can use BLN technology to make the softkeys at the bottom flash or light up whenever you get a notification. Acts pretty much the same as a notification LED. Been available for over a year too.

It's okay unless you play vidya a lot on your phone.

No it's not worth getting now. It's a 2 year old phone and as good as it has been it's showing its age. It's struggling with the latest roms, very laggy and slow and battery performance isn't good. I'm rooted, running a nightly cache cleaner and occasional wipes and its still slow. Contract is up this week and its a toss up between the sgs3 and hox. Favoring the sgs3 on performance but the hox it's 5 quid cheaper every month. Not considering the nexus as I frankly find the nexus line boring.
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nexus s is still nice to use. almost roms are support galaxy nexus and nexus s basically
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wait a bit
I'm in the same boat as you and advise waiting a bit till this winter or spring to see how all the new hardware and prices shake out. quad core is the ideal android environment.

No. Ex-Nexus S user here. Just broke my phone a month ago and switched to a 2nd hand Galaxy Nexus. GNex is so much better, and it's not expensive either

Same here.. been using Nexus S.. and still going strong.. I just don't find it economical to change my phone every year or two.. Since I've bought my Nexus S.. it has been a good experience.. plus with all this mods.. I feel like my phone runs faster and smoother.. So I think still good for another year or so.. So if you can get Nexus S cheap.. get it! hehe

I would get a newer phone. The nexus s is outdated man; and plus google is going to release a new phone soon. We're going to be waay behind and things are just gonna get slower for us I think. No matter how many roms we flash to see if we can speed stuff up; its gonna get slower and slower. That's just how technology is; it gets faster and faster and if the older stuff cant keep up, it dies out

If you can find one under $100 get it now jelly bean really makes it fly
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Nexus 7 3G or Nexus 4 - UK Three network

Nexus 7 G3 and Nexus 4 still not available, but I'm considering to buy one of those devices. Why I may need your help?
Currently I'm using HTC Desire (Three (3) UK Network), and this phone works properly - but my needs are quite basic, because I'm downloading some files (large) via 3G, using phone for tethering. I would like to replace HTC Desire with maybe new phone, like Nexus 4 - because, it has HSPA+ and it could give me opportunity to spend less time, downloading files.
Bigger 7" screen, could be more usefull, but I'm not sure if I will be able to use Nexus 7 3G as a phone, or only as a tablet?
Could anyone give me some more information?
Another of my concern is the price. For phone and tablet I will pay same price - £239.

nasedo73 said:
Nexus 7 G3 and Nexus 4 still not available, but I'm considering to buy one of those devices. Why I may need your help?
Currently I'm using HTC Desire (Three (3) UK Network), and this phone works properly - but my needs are quite basic, because I'm downloading some files (large) via 3G, using phone for tethering. I would like to replace HTC Desire with maybe new phone, like Nexus 4 - because, it has HSPA+ and it could give me opportunity to spend less time, downloading files.
Bigger 7" screen, could be more usefull, but I'm not sure if I will be able to use Nexus 7 3G as a phone, or only as a tablet?
Could anyone give me some more information?
Another of my concern is the price. For phone and tablet I will pay same price - £239.
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Nexus 7 is a tablet, I couldn't imagine lugging that around to make phone calls!
Nexus 4 is a powerful phone, similar to my One X, where I do everything you've said, downloading large files, tethering etc.
I often have wifi hotspot active on my phone, running my Nexus 7 and laptop from its internet, works a treat (and I am on Three (3) UK Network)
So if I were you, I would go with the Nexus 4.

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Nexus 7 is a tablet, I couldn't imagine lugging that around to make phone calls!
Nexus 4 is a powerful phone, similar to my One X, where I do everything you've said, downloading large files, tethering etc.
I often have wifi hotspot active on my phone, running my Nexus 7 and laptop from its internet, works a treat (and I am on Three (3) UK Network)
So if I were you, I would go with the Nexus 4.
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I know, how big is Nexus 7 and I fully realize Nexus 7 3G will have the same size, as Nexus 7. I don't have a problem talking to tablet - I'm most concern if it will be possible or not.
Nexus 4 is really interesting offer - that's true. But if I want to use most of the data mode in tablet and really rarely make some call phones, and send a lot of text messages, it could be easier to do all of this activities on bigger screen instead of small one.
Of course, I could consider to buy Nexus 4, and still use one of my old tablets...
Any other advices?

nasedo73 said:
I know, how big is Nexus 7 and I fully realize Nexus 7 3G will have the same size, as Nexus 7. I don't have a problem talking to tablet - I'm most concern if it will be possible or not.
Nexus 4 is really interesting offer - that's true. But if I want to use most of the data mode in tablet and really rarely make some call phones, and send a lot of text messages, it could be easier to do all of this activities on bigger screen instead of small one.
Of course, I could consider to buy Nexus 4, and still use one of my old tablets...
Any other advices?
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U may wanna look at Samsung 7.7 GT-P6800. That one can make voice calls, has better battery time then the nexus 7...BUT, ofcourse is not a Nexus However, i am looking for the same thing as u are as i see no problem using a tablet as a phone with a bluetooth headset.

This Samsung is more expensive. I'm considering something between £150 - £250. This is the reason on my concern. I don't need an iPad, as I have one, I don't need a Playbook as I have one as well.

[Q] Using nexus 4 without cellular service?

Hey all,
I debating on getting a Nexus 4 (when they are available again), but I want to use the device without signing up for cellular service, you know no data plan and voice plan. I know this is probably ridiculous because most people buy a phone to use it as a phone, but I don't want a phone and don't want to place my money into restrictive apple products (e.g., ipod touch). So can I buy the phone without signing up for prepaid or contract services? I don't need to activate the phone if I'm not using it as a phone, right, thus turning the phone into a ipod touch (but better than the ipod). Has anyone successfully done this?
Cheers,
Dillweed

yes

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Yes to your yes

I am almost in the same boat as you are. I am trying to get the Nexus 4 as a complete android device for the possible feartures/uses of such a device. I will be using it for a phone but I will be using it as a wifi phone with Groove IP. The Nexus 4 is the only small device to have such a good screen and the android experience with such a fantastic price. I have been doing a lot of research and I am totally convinced that I will be able to use the Nexus 4 without a sim card so no carrier at all. Glad to see someone else thinking the same way.

Have you considered buying Nexus 7 instead? It's pocket able. You will be saving 100 dollars.
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donec said:
I am almost in the same boat as you are. I am trying to get the Nexus 4 as a complete android device for the possible feartures/uses of such a device. I will be using it for a phone but I will be using it as a wifi phone with Groove IP. The Nexus 4 is the only small device to have such a good screen and the android experience with such a fantastic price. I have been doing a lot of research and I am totally convinced that I will be able to use the Nexus 4 without a sim card so no carrier at all. Glad to see someone else thinking the same way.
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I can confirm it will work just fine without a cellular plan too. I used mine for about a day that way then decided to go with a Straight Talk plan.
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I used a smartphone for a year with a simple minutes/text only plan. Pretty cheap.
I would look for a nexus 7 though tbh
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Get the nexus 7
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Yeah Nexus 7 seems like a lot better choice.
7" is pretty small
And as stated above, much cheaper. Also in stock
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Thanks for the information everyone!
I've thought about getting a Nexus 7, but I want something that I can easily fit into my pocket. Like I said before, I'm currently using an ipod touch, but I don't like the restrictive nature of iOS. The Nexus 4 seems like the best phone out there right now that is unlocked and can be purchased without a contract.

dillweed said:
Thanks for the information everyone!
I've thought about getting a Nexus 7, but I want something that I can easily fit into my pocket. Like I said before, I'm currently using an ipod touch, but I don't like the restrictive nature of iOS. The Nexus 4 seems like the best phone out there right now that is unlocked and can be purchased without a contract.
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It is. The phone can definitely be used as an iPod Touchesque device, but with a bigger screen, Android, etc.
The thing is, do you want to sacrifice the ability to put in your pocket (not portability) for much larger screen, cheaper pricetag, and larger storage?
Technically, you would be using the Nexus 4 as a tablet, so why not get a Nexus 7 instead?
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In addition to that.. Why not just jailbreak your iPod and save some money?
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I'm hesitant to get the Nexus 7 because it's just easier to carry a smaller device.
And yea, my ipod is jailbroken. I've had for a couple of years now and it's time to upgrade and give the ipod to the kids. I'm not in the market for more apple products, yes they are well built and reliable. I could get a new ipod for the same amount of money and 32gb of space. But then I'm dependent on the devs getting out a jailbreak. It seems that as time goes on the jailbreaks are getting longer to be released after a new iOS is put out. So I wonder how much longer jailbreaking can go on. Yea, everything is hackable, it just takes time. I really like the development of Android and one of the big reasons I would like to get a Nexus 4.
In the end, I really just wanted to know if use of the phone is possible without a contract from a service provider. So, thanks all for the information.

tldr on a lot of this. I wanted to throw a suggestion out there thought. The Samsung Galaxy Player. It's kinda like a smartphone, without the phone.