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I'm tired of being treated like "the unwashed masses"

When did XDA become the land of "just wait while we sort this out for you". I came here to get my hands dirty. I came here to **** up my phone to all kingdom come in the name of hackery. This is ridiculous. Everyone shared what they had and everyone knew the risks. Now we have threads getting closed because something might brick radios? I've bricked much worse and lived. I've never seen a community so stifled by moderation and developers caught up in a secret-club-house mentality.

While I agree with you..can we please post this in the right section?

gTen said:
While I agree with you..can we please post this in the right section?
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sorry I mis-tabbed there.

OMG not another post in the wrong section!

Sorry for the duplicate post!

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Sorry for the duplicate post!
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Not another double post :O ....

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Not another double post :O ....
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That's hilarious!
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In the hopes that this topic gets taken seriously, I'll add a comment that's actually relevant.
I've been standing by and watching this whole froyo episode play out without much comment because I'm relatively new to the community, but I totally agree with OP's mentality. XDA is about hacking, hacking is inherently risky. All people have to do is be very clear about the risks and there's no reason to hold anything back.
The "but there will be a flood of noobs" excuse is a complete cop-out on the part of the developers and the moderators. The solution is very simple: Have one clear and concise guide to un-bricking your phone stuck and take a firm "you're responsible for what you do" stance.

Amen, thats what I liked about the rhodium, the forums werent congested with childrens ****. Back to business.
Sent from, Sick of the ****!

akijikan said:
When did XDA become the land of "just wait while we sort this out for you". I came here to get my hands dirty. I came here to **** up my phone to all kingdom come in the name of hackery. This is ridiculous. Everyone shared what they had and everyone knew the risks. Now we have threads getting closed because something might brick radios? I've bricked much worse and lived. I've never seen a community so stifled by moderation and developers caught up in a secret-club-house mentality.
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Every forum does usually take that turn.. but posting **** in the wrong section doesn't help.

Epic forums are ridiculous,man I wish I got the Vibrant insteead.Yeah Epic progress is slow but if someone dont want to release something for whatever reason its their right no to do so,and after trying out these froyos is see why they don't release them.Just wait when devs polish up these froyo leaks I'm sure they will release them.
But for people that want betas devs should post beta test versions on twitter for those that can't wait,so these forums wont be havin all these bull**** ass posts.

If they don't want to release it then don't talk about it either. It's just crowd whoring and adds nothing to the forum. If you don't want to have people yelling at you for not releasing then don't drop hints that you have something they don't.
If they didn't basically tease us we wouldn't be aware there was anything we're missing.
Mods try to remember you're here to keep things civil. Not censor things like some xda big brother. I can see cutting out piracy threads. But the dk05 threads don't fall under that in most countries.
Down with the oligarchy the hero and evo forums put the epic ones to shame. I despise censorship. Look up the definition this is censorship.
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The secret clubhouse mentality by the devs regarding cooking their own roms needs to stop. Simple as that. It completely goes against the entire point of Open Source and a lot of the time they are violating the GPL as well as other licenses. I've had it; I'm just going to start reporting GPL violations to the FSF and let their lawyers deal with you if you want to be stupid.
And for those devs who get pissy because someone took their work, modified it, and re-released it? What do you think Android is in the first place? It is a flavor of Linux. Just like how Ubuntu is based off of Debian or CentOS is based off of RHEL, they're all derivatives of each other all the way to the same common kernel source that is still, to this day, maintained by Linus Torvalds. So stop having hissy fits over "stolen" work. You stole it in the first place. Plus, you're required to make sources available. Why is it so hard for you people to get that through your head?
Stop acting like children and work together. Christ.

Hiding and keeping stuff from the community is completely against the spirit and purpose of this place. But, ya know, it's what happens when the egos are the ones that get their hands on it first.

Mutiny32 said:
The secret clubhouse mentality by the devs regarding cooking their own roms needs to stop. Simple as that. It completely goes against the entire point of Open Source and a lot of the time they are violating the GPL as well as other licenses. I've had it; I'm just going to start reporting GPL violations to the FSF and let their lawyers deal with you if you want to be stupid.
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Heh nothing else seems to get the idea that this is a community and the code isn't theirs through their heads. Maybe this will. You'de swear these guys were windows devs. Closed solutions cannot be implemented from gpl code. Derivative works must be shared according to the contract you agree to when using gpl code.
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Mutiny32 said:
The secret clubhouse mentality by the devs regarding cooking their own roms needs to stop. Simple as that. It completely goes against the entire point of Open Source and a lot of the time they are violating the GPL as well as other licenses. I've had it; I'm just going to start reporting GPL violations to the FSF and let their lawyers deal with you if you want to be stupid.
And for those devs who get pissy because someone took their work, modified it, and re-released it? What do you think Android is in the first place? It is a flavor of Linux. Just like how Ubuntu is based off of Debian or CentOS is based off of RHEL, they're all derivatives of each other all the way to the same common kernel source that is still, to this day, maintained by Linus Torvalds. So stop having hissy fits over "stolen" work. You stole it in the first place. Plus, you're required to make sources available. Why is it so hard for you people to get that through your head?
Stop acting like children and work together. Christ.
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I think you are pushing it a little too much..they are not violating the GPL..the GPL does not FORCE people to distribute content they received..it just ALLOWS a person the right that once the content is received to distribute it...an example would be the DK05..once he got his hands on it, he automatically had the right to legally distribute it...
BUT Android also is not fully under GPL..the kernel I think is...Android itself is under the Apache License.

Everybody needs to just calm down. As far as I've checked Froyo still isn't out officially for the Epic. You guys are getting all worked up over some leaked beta software and licensing issues that really wouldn't apply to software that was leaked. There will be plenty of quality offerings when the official software is released. Samsung/Sprint haven't release the software or source yet. Just because you own the phone doesn't give you the right to have their internal beta software. If an xda dev has it and feels that it isn't worthy to post on the forums, that is their right. Somebody was b*tching about GPL infractions. Sure, ROMs derived from the released versions need to be compliant with the GPL. As far as leaked beta software, the dev could be breaking a NDA (non discloser agreement) to post any code or software they have obtained early. Doing so as a developer, is serious business and not to be taken lightly. Any stuff we get on the forums early is bonus, but NOT your right.

We will all sing a different tune once froyo is released officially and roms are being pumped out everyone will be happy until we find out we aren't getting 2.3 lol I just think people are tired of being on 2.1 and getting a bit antsy..patience
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Gingerbread will be 3.0 not 2.3 just fyi
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lostlander said:
Down with the oligarchy the hero and evo forums put the epic ones to shame. I despise censorship. Look up the definition this is censorship.
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When froyo was leaked for the evo the roms never stopped coming. Iwas hoping to see the same here..there's talk of bugs and what not so we HAVE to wait(I don't mind) for an official release before we can talk about what direction the epic dev community is moving in
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Please Read Before Making A Thread: The Honeycomb Source Is Not Out!

I just wanted to make this thread in hopes that it would possibly get a sticky or some sort of recognition. I see a lot of people making tons of new threads and comments that I think are pointless and should not be repeated over and over again. More specifically like: The Xoom is "dead", the development scene for the Xoom is going nowhere, why aren't they porting more OS's to the Xoom, and why is the Xoom behind in development... those kinds of things I see people say a lot around here.
The answer: The Honeycomb source code is not, and will not be released by Google... period. They have it locked up tight, and are not letting it out until they feel it is ready to be released to the public. The developers cannot do much more than they already have done without the Honeycomb source code. End of story.
The Xoom development scene does assume that everything will be all set and released with the Ice Cream Sandwich release here in the near future, which indeed makes perfect sense. And, because the Xoom was the first Honeycomb tablet, it's Google's baby: The one and only true and complete vanilla stock Google experience tablet. Thus: It is being protected by Google, if you will.
Maybe we will stop getting loads of threads complaining about the same exact thing. The answer to these questions have already been answered a billions times about 5 months ago when Google said that they will be holding onto the Honeycomb source until further notice. Please read this, everyone. Not trying to be mean or anything, but... I'm surprised that the Mods haven't spoken up about this. I thought one was supposed to read and make sure that the topic they are about to post about hasn't been mentioned yet before making a new thread?
I'm a very nice guy, and I am not one to complain about anything. I love helping people: it's what I do best! But... we do need to get this thing under control. Almost every day I see a new thread or a comment saying something like "the Xoom development scene is dead". This just shouldn't be happening. It's almost like bashing the Xoom in its own home. That's not a healthy thing to do now is it? Or trying to make it look bad and outdated by saying that the scene is dead, when in reality it really is the complete opposite. Overall: It's wasting thread space, causing a lot of annoyances, and a lot of the frequent Xoom posters such as myself are having to repeat themselves a billion times over with every new thread and comment about this topic. Hopefully something can be done about this.
Thanks for listening! All I ask is for people to read before posting these kinds of threads or comments on your friendly neighborhood XDA forums.

Yes, good points diablo2224, and to add to that, all of the improvements and increased functionality that the Team Tiamat and others have brought to the Xoom are really vital to it's continued relevence. Solarnz just gave us a peek at some new goodies in an upgoming rom and they look great! Xoom development is far from dead, source code or no source code.

I've seen the threads and it hasn't deterred me, the fact is Google is a monster company now and them buying Motorola mobility is one of the factors I bought my Xoom the other day... I personally see more to come and can wait

okantomi said:
Yes, good points diablo2224, and to add to that, all of the improvements and increased functionality that the Team Tiamat and others have brought to the Xoom are really vital to it's continued relevence. Solarnz just gave us a peek at some new goodies in an upgoming rom and they look great! Xoom development is far from dead, source code or no source code.
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Indeed. Team Tiamat is really doing an excellent job. Without the source they are doing spectacular! It amazes me at the stuff they have pulled off so far. The new universal rooting method for all Xoom's is quite an impressive feat.
SuicideMyk said:
I've seen the threads and it hasn't deterred me, the fact is Google is a monster company now and them buying Motorola mobility is one of the factors I bought my Xoom the other day... I personally see more to come and can wait
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Personally, the comments and threads don't particularly bother me very much either. I just want the people to know what the situation is, and why the scene has been "slower" than the other Honeycomb tablets. And to stop making negative comments towards the Xoom in that factor. If we all were a little more knowledgeable about reasoning rather than rationality... I think the comments and threads about this would come to a halt as we would all be on the same page.

" The Honeycomb source code is not, and will not be released by Google... period."
This isn't entirely true... just because its not out doesn't mean its not coming out.
They were waiting for ICS to be released first since Ice cream sandwich shares a lot of the code base of Honeycomb.... I imagine its going to be out sometime during the holidays.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/google-keeping-honeycomb-source-code-on-ice-says-its-not-ready/

That Engadget post is over 6 months old...
The official word as of today is they will never release the Honeycomb source code, and the ICS source code will be released a few weeks after the launch of the Galaxy Nexus.
why no HC sources? Well, the reason behind the decision to not release it still stands: it was an interim release meant at the tablet market, and they didn't want everyone to jump on it and release phones and what-not based on that code. ICS is the solution to that problem.

Just tell us we'll have unimaginable coolness on our Xooms.

[DISCUSSION] Android 4.0.3 AOSP ICS (ALPHA)Discussion Thread

Hey guys any questions and discussions you want to have keep them here.
Any questions you need to ask or any conversations that you want to have between each other leave it here and let Airbus360 do his work on his thread.
If mods feel this is a pointless thread by all means then go ahead and close it but rather than having hundred of posts and loads of pages of the same thing being asked over and over again in the Development section might as well keep it here where it is a General discussion thread and forum.
If anyone feels that there should be more info on this post feel free to let me know.
Thanks

The number of "I'll clean the forums by creating a grouping-thread and be a hero" is pretty high nowadays. I wonder what kind of threads should I start grouping .
"If you have problems with your telephone, post here!"
Don't mind me, just carry on!

TheSaw said:
The number of "I'll clean the forums by creating a grouping-thread and be a hero" is pretty high nowadays. I wonder what kind of threads should I start grouping .
"If you have problems with your telephone, post here!"
Don't mind me, just carry on!
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sorry my bad only trying to help might as well let someone close this thread

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sorry my bad only trying to help might as well let someone close this thread
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Don't be silly, it's a nice thread, really! I'm just lost a bit with all these discussions threads about ICS releases and updates and leaks and development threads, don't know which one is which.

TheSaw said:
Don't be silly, it's a nice thread, really! I'm just lost a bit with all these discussions threads about ICS releases and updates and leaks and development threads, don't know which one is which.
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Well all honesty i am kinda lost as well. Hence why i thought i make this one and try and keep up to date with everything that is going on..
What really surprises me is that people forget that all builds that are out are alpha builds and not stable...i am still on my Gingerbread rom and still loving it as it is solid and stable....Why people get so excited about an alpha is beyond me...
The real buzz will be when devs will have actual sources to be able to upgrade their roms to ICS level..That is when all the fun really should be starting not now

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I wouldn't release anything if I was Airbus. After all the mud thrown on the other thread, sadly by other more "experienced" devs I wouldn't be surprised if he just cancelled the thread n disappeared.
I would.
To me it screams of jealousy on what Airbus has achieved the fact that people like Codeworkx and Paradoxxx are slamming him and all of a sudden made a complete u-turn on their earlier statement that they would release nothing until they had a stable build of CM9.
Airbus is trying to make a rom from scratch with inadequate tools, and he's not experienced. I think he's doing the best he can with the tools at his disposal.

I don't understand why so many people have their "panties in a wad" over Ice Cream Sandwich... I have been patiently trolling these forums and anxiously awaiting the day that a stable release is made. ANYthing made by a developer (that isn't garbage) I am thankful for, after all developers could say **** it and not give us anything. This rom was only released to help subdue those who are flaming over the release of CM9 anyhow...

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I don't understand why so many people have their "panties in a wad" over Ice Cream Sandwich... I have been patiently trolling these forums and anxiously awaiting the day that a stable release is made. ANYthing made by a developer (that isn't garbage) I am thankful for, after all developers could say **** it and not give us anything. This rom was only released to help subdue those who are flaming over the release of CM9 anyhow...
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good valid point...i am waiting for a stable version as well..and all honesty i might just wait for the stable official release itself from Samsung..As long as my phone works great as it is at the moment i am happy with that. If a stable leak comes first though and developers like Pulser, Checkrom team and Hyperdroid can get their hands on it then certainly that would be worth the jump. But at this moment of time when people are having a moan on someone who is trying to tweak a build that is already out and modify it to the way he wants that is disrespectful to him as he is not holding a gun to anyones head really and asking neither for help or money...
and last point people really need to chill out...more important stuff in life than a rom

I don't think that's a nice idea to put another thread on ICS.
Dev become more and more arrogant, people more and more stupid.
So why do you open this one? We already now the situation.
Forget about ICS, wait for a new firmware annoucement and then see if the new one is stable enought. If not, then forget again and repeat.

That thread is full of lulz, the dev should stop baiting users the way he's doing now.

Developers come here...

http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra-resources Nvidia just released images of Ics 4.0 for Tegra 2 based phones, do you think this can help our community?

Well this looks exciting - here's hoping it's of some use!

Wrong section folk. We already know of it, relax!
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I am so excited!!

Yeah, good for "Nvidea"

now if only "someone" gets a .39 or 3.x kernel to work for the atrix!

I just want to point out how easy a simple search can return results. All I did was enter "developer.nvidia" (from the link you posted) and I got back a fair amount of results that include:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21723572&postcount=726
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21696714&postcount=50
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21716186&postcount=59
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21699953&postcount=1
All of which were posted before you started this thread. Which I feel happens to be in the wrong section but that's not my job to decide that, I really wanted to emphasize the redundancy of your thread.
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http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra-resources Nvidia just released images of Ics 4.0 for Tegra 2 based phones, do you think this can help our community?
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From the Moderator... Going Forward....

To all in this Forum...... The Forum has been Running Smooth and the Members in this forum have been extremely civil and helpful to each other......
WE Moderators really do notice and thank you all for being such a great group.
Going forward........ FYI The Vibrant is one of the few older devices that gets to sport ICS on it... it still is a great device.
Jelly Bean is just popping out now and I have talked with some of the devs, and they think it can and will make it to the Vibrant.... Soooo . . . that Original Galaxy Phone is still got some GET-UP still in it......
But, , , Do not expect for at least a month ... and to that please do not post a bunch of ETA threads as I will have to delete them a spam... Just be patient and realize how many other phones who do not have ICS yet......
Thanks All, ~~ oka1

Do you know when JB is coming out?
Just kidding, understood.

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Do you know when JB is coming out?
Just kidding, understood.
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To answer that question, The framework is very different and alot of things have changed. 1st they have to figure how to make the new framework fit older platform, then figure if memory size might be an issue.... and so on and so on...... Then when they got it right, then I would guess the Vibrant will be way down the priority list. That's the answer as good as it gets. :cyclops::cyclops:

I am out of thanks for the day on my tablet (I'll have to hop on my phone/tapatalk and hit you up) but thank you very much for posting this.
We are all excited for JB but I have to agree with Oka1, there are still very few devices running ICS let alone ports of Jelly Bean. In the RC forums, there are so many users who are still on Gingerbread and a few who are on Froyo with no hope at all from their hardware, manufactures or dev teams.
The Vibe is almost 2 years old and still blows the doors off many other devices. It is so easy to use, the bootloaders are unlocked and it has External_SD and removable battery (#noGNex or HTC ONE X/S) . It is because of these but also many other reasons that we are able to get working Gingerbread, ICS and now Jelly Bean ROMs for a device that was officially abandoned at Eclair and only got Froyo through a grassroots Twitter campaign.
Viva la Vibrant!!!

I wouldn't worry too much about JellyBean, since Cyanogen and AOKP supports the Vibrant.
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The Forum has been Running Smooth and the Members in this forum have been extremely civil and helpful to each other......
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The more expensive the devices, the more elitist the fanboys become. So maybe here, but less at SIII and Nexus section.

THANKS:victory: