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Just saw this headline. I'm guessing it'll be multitouch related. Or maybe uni-body construction on the Legend? In any case, looks like it'll get ugly (especially if Google gets involved), though hopefully in the end some of their overly broad and generic patents will get invalidated.
Apple Goes After HTC In Lawsuit Over 20 iPhone Patents
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/02/apple-goes-after-htc-in-lawsuit-over-20-iphone-patents/
That whole company is a bunch of f*cking scumbags
blankd3ckskat3r said:
That whole company is a bunch of f*cking scumbags
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Apple getting a lil worried are we?
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That whole company is a bunch of f*cking scumbags
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Steve Jobs is a f'ing genius!
I am sure some of you will remember back when apple was trading for a 1.50 a share!
F'ing genius I tell ya!
Android gains some ground and this is how the fight competitors?
Roman G said:
Steve Jobs is a f'ing genius!
I am sure some of you will remember back when apple was trading for a 1.50 a share!
F'ing genius I tell ya!
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He might be a genious but he's a scumbag and so is every one of his employees. I for one am sick of hearing about this company. They make crap products at way over the top prices. The iPhone revelotionized phones but if u think abut it, its 5 year old technology making it seem like its new. Its ridiculous, its an idiots phone.
I am curious to see if HTC is going to file a counter suit similar to Nokia's, Apple is a newcomer when it comes to cell phones. I am quite sure that HTC has plenty of patents that could be interpreted as being infringed upon by Apple.
I am just happy that these companies are helping to support lawyers during this slow economic time.
Of course, Why actually build a product that educated people can use? Apple wants drones of morons to use their products. Best way to steal HTC and Googles market share back? Offer a product we don't want and eliminate the chance of someone else competeing with a better product. Then we are forced into an Apple way of life. Locked in to no extendable memory, unreplaceable batteries, and no usable file structure.
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He might be a genious but he's a scumbag and so is every one of his employees. I for one am sick of hearing about this company. They make crap products at way over the top prices. The iPhone revelotionized phones but if u think abut it, its 5 year old technology making it seem like its new. Its ridiculous, its an idiots phone.
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I agree partly. I think Jobs should quit being a greedy ***** and be happy in being a leader and innovator of a piece of history. I guess the family of Henry Ford should start suing all of the other current car makers for producing a mobile vehicle with an engine, and then while he is at it he can sue everyone that uses a production line. Maybe the Wright brothers should sue all plane makers. I mean come on, move on and make something even more innovative Jobs if youre such a "genius"!
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...though hopefully in the end some of their overly broad and generic patents will get invalidated.
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Sorry, but this is the whole point of writing patents. Make it as broad and generic as possible so you have a stronghold over your IP. You make more money that way ...
Its probably multi-touch related, which is what Apple's gone after everyone else for. They'll settle, and HTC will license Apple's patent and go about their business.
I'm kind of curious to see if this pushes back the date of us getting 2.1 for our phones honestly. Also gizmodo has the list of patents that there going after. http://gizmodo.com/5483632/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-on-20-iphone-patents
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I agree partly. I think Jobs should quit being a greedy ***** and be happy in being a leader and innovator of a piece of history. I guess the family of Henry Ford should start suing all of the other current car makers for producing a mobile vehicle with an engine, and then while he is at it he can sue everyone that uses a production line. Maybe the Wright brothers should sue all plane makers. I mean come on, move on and make something even more innovative Jobs if youre such a "genius"!
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Now that I do agree with!
It amazes me that apple technology was so far ahead of the game that it has taken other companys this long to catch up with them! They are so used to being at the top when someone else comes along they get scared, and yes i would agree that it is greed, but they would not be where they are without said greed!
And no I am not an apple fanboy, I don't even own an apple product! I just have lots of respect for guys like Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates, they are innovators and do what needs to be done to stay that way! Anyone that can take a company like apple and turn it around like Steve Jobs is a stud in my book!
Gizmodo has the full list of infringement
gizmodo.com/5483632/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-on-20-iphone-patents
None of the infringements are related to multitouch. I don't think apple even owns that patent, multitouch wasn't invented by them.
This law suit is just full of ****. "Swiping to unlock the screen?" basically all touchscreen phones have that feature now.
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Gizmodo has the full list of infringement
gizmodo.com/5483632/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-on-20-iphone-patents
None of the infringements are related to multitouch. I don't think apple even owns that patent, multitouch wasn't invented by them.
This law suit is just full of ****. "Swiping to unlock the screen?" basically all touchscreen phones have that feature now.
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And what about all of the devs that have created swipe to unlock software? Is he gonna nitpick at them too? "Come here humble dev, let me smack your hand for taking our idea and making it better!"
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OMG, apple suing HTC!
Hope they release the new rom first!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/02/apple_patent_htc/
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OMG, apple suing HTC!
Hope they release the new rom first!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/02/apple_patent_htc/
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LOL,
How come HTC did not sue Apple all this time? If I'm not wrong HTC came with this swipe thing long before Apple did. Steve Jobs is a pure jackass
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How come HTC did not sue Apple all this time? If I'm not wrong HTC came with this swipe thing long before Apple did. Steve Jobs is a pure jackass
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Agreed, it's a shame, over some small matters, how stupid, what is the world coming to, right's over "touch-use" what next? Just cos' his iPhone is losing money since the "Jailbreak", he's taking it out on HTC to bring his profit margin up, suck-ass!
Apple are a set of **** heads.
You probably shouldn't fret too much. The pursuit of the patent protection is for patents registered with the USPTO. In the short term, it won't effect HTC, and certainly won't impact features/functionality in dispute anywhere except the US. Long term, it may kill off HTC if it starts dragging out while Apple bleed HTC in the courts (HTC sell more mobiles in the US market). Then it would impact us.
My big hope is that Palm, HTC and Nokia just clobber Apple with their patent portfolios and Google prop up HTC if it comes to that.
Die Apple, die!
This is just daft. You can pinch & zoom on almost anything these days. Take windows 7 multi touch for example, or multi touch mouse pads.
Btw, how much stuff has apple stolen from other manufacturers in just making a PDA. HTC have been at it for decades,
OK, sorry for the rant...apple frustrate me
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You probably shouldn't fret too much. The pursuit of the patent protection is for patents registered with the USPTO. In the short term, it won't effect HTC, and certainly won't impact features/functionality in dispute anywhere except the US. Long term, it may kill off HTC if it starts dragging out while Apple bleed HTC in the courts (HTC sell more mobiles in the US market). Then it would impact us.
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Short term, no, it probably won't be a big deal, but if HTC loses business in the US because of it, then that is a big deal in the long term. According to this NYT article (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/technology/04htc.html?ref=technology), about half of HTC's revenue comes from sales in the US.
And I agree, Apple's just being ridiculous! While I've never complained too much about them, as they do have a history of making good products (mostly), it's stupid things like this that just annoy consumers!
It is the latest in a series of legal wrangles involving Apple. Finnish phone giant Nokia sued Apple for patent infringement in October 2009, alleging it had stolen patented technology. In response, Apple countersued in December 2009, followed by a second round of legal action from Nokia. Apple is also being investigated by the ITC following a complaint by camera manufacturer Kodak. The firm allege that the iPhone uses technology for previewing pictures that infringe Kodak patents.
Apple are just running scared because Android is going to be massive this year. Apple try to discredit Google by attacking HTC on patents some 15 years old!
Pathetic.
BTW Steve Jobs, Ipad gonna flop!
Apple should not mess with the big boys, i should imagine the big boys can hit back and very hard.
I do believe that the patents Apple speak off were registered in the US only. Patents have to be filed in each country individually. Europe / Aisia --- the rest of the world would never authorise patents like these. Brings me to think that apple has someone in the patent office who just lets them through.
So even if Apple won, the UK, and the rest of the world would be fine.
oooops just read that this was mentioned above...
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Apple should not mess with the big boys, i should imagine the big boys can hit back and very hard.
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HTC is not that big, apple is way bigger. But google already said they would back-up HTC since the most patents are broken by google, and not only the htc sense interface.
This will probably be settled out court, if apple really wants to do damage to htc google will do the same to apple. And google is way bigger than apple.
I think It's kind of weak to sue only htc. But apple is weak, and they'll lose if they go up against google.
No more youtube on Iphone no more google apps on iphone no more money for steve and he doesn't want that....
well he is going against himself. check this out.
http://www.fuzemobility.com/steve-j...intosh-good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/
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Come on guys don't forget that Apple has patented the "User friendly" interface. They will probably deal with microsoft after htc/google.
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HTC is not that big, apple is way bigger. But google already said they would back-up HTC since the most patents are broken by google, and not only the htc sense interface.
This will probably be settled out court, if apple really wants to do damage to htc google will do the same to apple. And google is way bigger than apple.
I think It's kind of weak to sue only htc. But apple is weak, and they'll lose if they go up against google.
No more youtube on Iphone no more google apps on iphone no more money for steve and he doesn't want that....
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So if that's the case: no flash on iPhone, no google maps on iPhone, no youTube on iPhone. What's left besides having a phone on the iPhone?
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So if that's the case: no flash on iPhone, no google maps on iPhone, no youTube on iPhone. What's left besides having a phone on the iPhone?
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Just as much as having it now... You're the great owner of an iphone and you have totally no freedom And people seriously are happy with that. Can't imagine
"Apple is continuing its crusade against competitors that it believes are ripping off its ideas. The company filed a lawsuit against Samsung on Monday, alleging that the electronics giant violated Apple's intellectual property in its Android-powered devices like the Galaxy Tab, Nexus S, and Epic 4G."
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Lulz. That's all I have to say - though I don't know who I'm lulzing at. Is it Apple, for their complete BS lawsuit, or is it Samsung, for TouchWiz which is **** and a half?
F****** apple sueing everyone, next hes going to sue the users for not using an apple product. lol
As much as I hate these types of lawsuits, I do hate the way manufacturers have blatantly copied iOS elements. TouchWiz is crap, and "being like the iPhone" is not what is cool. Enough.
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Apple, even if its lawsuit has merit, is ****ing itself over with possibly THE biggest supplier of high end screen and other components in the world. Not everything they do is brilliant. Case in point.
****ing Apple...
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Apple, even if its lawsuit has merit, is ****ing itself over with possibly THE biggest supplier of high end screen and other components in the world. Not everything they do is brilliant. Case in point.
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Unfortunately, Apple has such enormous orders that if Samsung said FU, they'd be hurting themselves more than Apple. Apple could go to anyone and get what they need - hell, they could build their own fabs and do it themselves.
Jeez apple. They're not even THAT similar! The only similarity is the app drawer with the box around the icons! Big whoop!
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Unfortunately, Apple has such enormous orders that if Samsung said FU, they'd be hurting themselves more than Apple. Apple could go to anyone and get what they need - hell, they could build their own fabs and do it themselves.
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That's cool. If Facebook can now redesign its own servers, Apple can make absolutely all its own phone and tablet components too. Meanwhile Samsung will supply all Apple's competitors and the Apple shareholders can ask Black Turtleneck God why cash reserves have dropped so precipitously so fast.
Apple is either going to have to sue everybody (oh wait, maybe they are) since all seem equally guilty to me for ripping them off, or actually try to compete through the innovation they're supposedly so good at.
i agree they copied iOS a little too closely. unfortunatly for apple most people hate touchwiz
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"Apple is continuing its crusade against competitors that it believes are ripping off its ideas. The company filed a lawsuit against Samsung on Monday, alleging that the electronics giant violated Apple's intellectual property in its Android-powered devices like the Galaxy Tab, Nexus S, and Epic 4G."
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Lulz. That's all I have to say - though I don't know who I'm lulzing at. Is it Apple, for their complete BS lawsuit, or is it Samsung, for TouchWiz which is **** and a half?
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So...when is Apple going to sue the super markets for selling Apples and Macintosh's without paying royalty?
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That's cool. If Facebook can now redesign its own servers, Apple can make absolutely all its own phone and tablet components too. Meanwhile Samsung will supply all Apple's competitors and the Apple shareholders can ask Black Turtleneck God why cash reserves have dropped so precipitously so fast.
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I'm far from an Apple fanboy, but you really don't give them enough credit. That's all I'm going to say.
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I'm far from an Apple fanboy, but you really don't give them enough credit. That's all I'm going to say.
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I am going to have to disagree on that, while Apple has a tremendous amount of money at their disposal, they can't afford to go a year or two without making a phone/ipod while their factories are built. They rely on outside sources for pretty much everything, to attempt to become completely self reliant would be a bone-headed move and would absolutely kill their stocks.
They are not going to build their own factories...its VERY hard and expensive...most just buy the factories from others and recycle them. Most likely though Apple will just go with someone else in worst case senario..like LG, Sony, Toshiba etc..
Apple makes Samsung electronics biggest customer, a swap would hurt both of them tremendesly.
They are not going to split their business over this though...its far too insignificant...it might even be on purpose to have Samsung and Apple cross license each others patents and then let Apple have leverage over other Android makers...like M$ sued HTC that time..
Apple is a more innovative company than Samsung and everyone owes Apple a lot. There, I said it.
Now that I said it, the pathetic thing about this suit is that by the time Sammy has to pay up and/or dump Touchwiz--which they would do without many tears--and Apple has wasted its own time and money, iOS 7.0 will be out which will be holographic 3D scratch n sniff. ;-)
people seem to forget that apple used to use their own processors and switched over to intel only a few years ago. now they concentrate on being artists
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people seem to forget that apple used to use their own processors and switched over to intel only a few years ago. now they concentrate on being artists
lazy edit: after writing that i realized that they probably had another company making the chips for them...
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Apple has never built their own silicon.
I like apple and all, but geez... how many "innovative" ways really are there to show application shortcuts?
Apple makes solid products, no doubt, and you definitely get what you pay for (albeit at a premium price), but I think they are going a little crazy lately. I mean, c'mon, suing amazon for calling it the "amazon appstore" because apple coined the term "appstore" first? really apple? is that really stealing your thunder?
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people seem to forget that apple used to use their own processors and switched over to intel only a few years ago. now they concentrate on being artists
lazy edit: after writing that i realized that they probably had another company making the chips for them...
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you mean the IBM PowerPC chips?
Stevie's just upset that it won't be long before Android market share passes iOS. Gotta do something! It must be cheaper and more profitable to milk the same turd for 4 years and sue people than to actually design a new phone
How does this make you feel?
http://www.dailytech.com/Apples+Plo...+HTC+Nears+Fruition+With+Win/article22173.htm
One more reason I have started to hate apple. They are nothing but cry babies. Its like ford sueing chevy over the design of the steering wheel. Petty bull****. They can't make a competetive product so they will just sue the other companies that do.
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scarmon25 said:
One more reason I have started to hate apple. They are nothing but cry babies. Its like ford sueing chevy over the design of the steering wheel. Petty bull****. They can't make a competetive product so they will just sue the other companies that do.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. This just proves how much our patent system needs an overhaul because it is clearly being abused. It is no longer beneficial but harmful in that it is stifling innovation due to everybody being scared of being sued. I own and like certain Apple products (MacBook and iPod) but this is just ridiculous. I can honestly say I'm disgusted by this news and cannot see myself buying an Apple product again! Make your product better in order for it to compete more effectively instead of just trying to get rid of the competition. Screw you Apple!
That is why I sold my macbook and went back to Windows. Because they started being that way. I just hope HTC wins their appeal. I don't want to see them get their handsets baned. They make a quality product anand shouldn't be punished for it.
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Another reason I can't stand Apple or Microsoft. These patent lawsuits are getting to be ridiculous. Most of them are are too broad and should have never been issued a patent in the first place. Apple's thinking is if they can't innovate they will litigate to the beat the competition.
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Another reason I can't stand Apple or Microsoft. These patent lawsuits are getting to be ridiculous. Most of them are are too broad and should have never been issued a patent in the first place. Apple's thinking is if they can't innovate they will litigate to the beat the competition.
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Agreed, however I think of Microsoft as the lesser of the the two devils lol.
while I have to congratulate apple on their master troll award, they can suck a fat one, especially jobs... when they feel threatened they stoop to using patent law or design/hardware complaints to try and stifle competition
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They aren't trying to kill android, they are just playing the litigation game. In the US, is this really surprising to anyone? Every large corporation does the same thing. Its not like they are trying to muscle a small business our of business. They are multi-million dollar companies that end up settling things out of court. Claiming that apple wants to kill android is a leap of out reality.
I don't know. They have sued almost every company that has anything to do with android or mobile devices that have android. Lets see. Samsung,HTC,Motorolla and Google just to name a few they have sued. I'm sure there is more but those I know of. Seems to me they are trying to kill off the competition.
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ahh this seems to be far from over.. i cant wait to see what unfolds fro this in the future
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They aren't trying to kill android, they are just playing the litigation game. In the US, is this really surprising to anyone? Every large corporation does the same thing. Its not like they are trying to muscle a small business our of business. They are multi-million dollar companies that end up settling things out of court. Claiming that apple wants to kill android is a leap of out reality.
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I don't think you read the entire article
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This just proves how much our patent system needs an overhaul because it is clearly being abused. It is no longer beneficial but harmful in that it is stifling innovation due to everybody being scared of being sued.
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Apple did its bit to bring Xerox PARC innovations to the public, but it has become quite lawyer-happy these days.
http://www.economist.com/node/18867534
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Definitely uninstalled Itunes and all apple-related stuff from my computer after this.
I have to agree with this. I switched back to windows for all my computing needs and never looked back.
I feel like apple is a cult, once you are in they make you feel that you can never leave. I felt that way when buying my latest laptop, a custom built Maingear, but I honestly don't miss it at all. Not even sure why I bought my mac book in the first place.
I would be interested to see what happens when this reaches androids baby daddy Google. If anyone has legal power above apple in this country I would think its Google.
I wouldn't F*!% with em....
I hope you're right about google. I would love to see a mud hole stomped in apples a**.
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I would be interested to see what happens when this reaches androids baby daddy Google. If anyone has legal power above apple in this country I would think its Google.
I wouldn't F*!% with em....
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It won't ever get that far. If apple really thought they could take down google they would be after them not HTC. They are just trying to chip away at some competition because they can't keep up with all of the manufacturers of smart phones running android (htc, motorola, samsung, sony, lg) they are one company going against many many companies. Its just like windows against osx. Only one company makes hardware for osx, but countless others make windows hardware. Why do you think they made it possible to run windows on a new mac? All of these companies should band together and just ***** slap apple. Apple- can't beat you fairly so we will just sue you into oblivion...used to love apple...**** you steve jobs!
Arrogant ass apple can't even get a 4g radio into an iphone....
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I don't think you read the entire article
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I read the entire article, but unlike the majority of people on this board I'm not going to buy into an extremist view point. If you want to think that Apple is trying to "kill" off android, then you should look into Jesse Ventura and buy his bowl of conspiracy BS as well.
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One more reason I have started to hate apple. They are nothing but cry babies.
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Agreed. Cry babies! Focus on making a better product that people want instead of crying about what others are doing.
Apples new motto : if you.can't innovate, then litigate.
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It's kind of pathetic how upset you guys are. You act like HTC wouldn't do the exact same thing if they were in Apple's position. Anyways, things like this have been happening forever.
http://www.bgr.com/2012/06/25/google-tries-to-block-u-s-shipments-of-apples-iphone-over-3g-patents/
Google tries to block U.S. shipments of Apple’s iPhone and iPad over 3G patents [updated]
Google is seeking to block U.S. imports of Apple’s iPhone and iPad over 3G patents held by Motorola Mobility,*Bloomberg*is reporting.UPDATE:*Bloomberg*is theorizing that due to a review of a previous ruling, Apple could face a ban on importing iPhones and iPads, but Google is not filing an injunction at this time.
By Susan Decker and William McQuillenJune 25 (Bloomberg) — A U.S. trade agency said it willreview a judge’s findings that Apple Inc.’s iPhone and iPad tablet computer infringe a patent owned by Google Inc.’s Motorola Mobility unit, in a case that could lead to imports of the devices being banned. The U.S. International Trade Commission said it will review ITC Judge Thomas Pender’s findings that Apple was violating one*Motorola Mobility patent. The commission is scheduled to issue a*final decision on Aug. 24, and has the power to block devices*made in Asia from entering the U.S. The iPhone, iPad and related*devices generate 78 percent of Apple’s revenue.*The commission said it would review aspects of all four*Motorola Mobility patents in the case, including the one found*to be infringed. The agency also will consider whether it should*be issuing import bans on products found to infringe patents*related to industry standards. Notice of the commission’s decision was posted today on the agency’s website.*The iPhone generated $22 billion in sales last quarter for*Apple, or 58 percent of the company’s total revenue. It was the*best-selling smartphone in the U.S., with 29 percent of the*market, while Motorola Mobility had 10 percent, researcher NPD*Group said May 2.*Apple’s iPad dominates the tablet computer market, with 72*percent of the market, according to researcher DisplaySearch.*The iPad and related products brought in $9.2 billion for Apple,*almost 20 percent of its revenue.*Motorola Mobility filed the complaint in October 2010 as a*pre-emptive strike after Apple made public statements that*phones running on Google’s Android operating system were copying*features of the iPhone. The dispute is part of a broader global*battle for supremacy in the smartphone and tablet computer*markets that also pits Apple against Android-device*manufacturers Samsung Electronics Co. and HTC Corp.*Android is the most popular platform for smartphones, with*61 percent of the market, NPD said.*Apple is appealing its loss in the patent-infringement*complaint it filed at the ITC against Libertyville, Illinois-*based Motorola Mobility, and a federal judge in Chicago last*week threw out patent claims Apple and Motorola Mobility had*filed against each other. Google bought Motorola Mobility in*part to gain access to its trove of 17,000 patents, many on*phone technology.*Cupertino, California-based Apple also has filed a*complaint against Motorola Mobility at the European Union,*accusing the handset manufacturer of misusing patents that*relate to industry standards.*The patent that Pender said Apple infringed relates to the*industry standard for 3G technology used by most phones, and*Motorola Mobility has argued that Apple infringes the patent byfollowing the standard.*Apple argued that, since Motorola Mobility helped establish*the standard, it shouldn’t be allowed to block use of patent*inventions related to the standard. It filed a lawsuit accusing*Motorola Mobility of breaching its contractual obligation to*license any standard-essential patents on fair and reasonableterms.*The U.S. Federal Trade Commission, members of Congress and*Microsoft Corp. have filed papers supporting Apple’s argument*that import bans should not be imposed on such patents. Verizon*Wireless, the largest U.S. mobile-phone service provider, and*No. 2 AT&T Inc. filed papers making similar arguments.*Verizon Wireless, jointly owned by Verizon Communications*Inc. and Vodafone Group Plc, also said an import ban on the*iPhone “would hamper technological development, strand critical*infrastructure investment and cost American jobs.”*The patent that was found to be infringed covers a way to*eliminate noise so signals are clearer. A Wi-Fi patent is*invalid because it doesn’t cover a new invention, the judge*said. No infringement was found on two other patents, for a way*the server tracks which applications are available, and a sensorto determine the proximity of a person’s head to the phone so it*doesn’t accidentally hang up or dial unwanted numbers.*The case against Apple is In the Matter of Wireless*Communication Devices, Portable Music and Data Processing*Devices, Computers and Components Thereof, 337-745, and Apple’s*case against Motorola Mobility is In the Matter of Mobile*Devices and Related Software, 337-750, both U.S. InternationalTrade.
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that should get them to back off of samsung lol
Not likely to happen. But there is hope. And it'd be funny as hell if it does.
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this is ridiculous from both parties. they're just acting like a bunch of babies at this point. I was reading on fortune magazine over the weekend that judges are getting sick of this crap by both camps and are gonna be getting more likely to throw these cases out with prejudice. the previous judge that threw out the case of apple v motorola recently sets a pretty nice precedent for telling this two children to go play nice.
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this is ridiculous from both parties. they're just acting like a bunch of babies at this point. I was reading on fortune magazine over the weekend that judges are getting sick of this crap by both camps and are gonna be getting more likely to throw these cases out with prejudice. the previous judge that threw out the case of apple v motorola recently sets a pretty nice precedent for telling this two children to go play nice.
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I completely agree with your viewpoint here, and i don't like to point fingers, but in this case Apple is at fault. Should Apple had let things be, and chosen to compete on advertising, features, and other commercial traits, this would not be happening. Instead, Apple has been filing one patent action after another, first holding up the evo 4g and replenishments of the htc one x, then achieving the recent injunction against the galaxy nexus. This forced Google's hand, as we can see above, to play the same dirty game in order to achieve leverage to halt Apple's anti-competitive behavior. Apple has to come to terms with the fact that real competition exists in the marketplace and that winning the fight has be accomplished on innovation, price, differentiation and other business factors outside of the courtroom.
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IOS 6 is suppose to have features that have been exclusive to android like face unlock. So if Apple got an induction for the slide to unlock feature why couldn't Google get an induction against apple if they do release that feature in the next os.
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"The U.S. Federal Trade Commission, members of Congress and Microsoft Corp. have filed papers supporting Apple’s argument that import bans should not be imposed on such patents."
huh? ROFL
dardani89 said:
this is ridiculous from both parties. they're just acting like a bunch of babies at this point. I was reading on fortune magazine over the weekend that judges are getting sick of this crap by both camps and are gonna be getting more likely to throw these cases out with prejudice. the previous judge that threw out the case of apple v motorola recently sets a pretty nice precedent for telling this two children to go play nice.
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Random thought
I wonder how many patents there are on (apply to) every aspect of our Siii? Don't they patent line of code?
dardani89 said:
this is ridiculous from both parties. they're just acting like a bunch of babies at this point. I was reading on fortune magazine over the weekend that judges are getting sick of this crap by both camps and are gonna be getting more likely to throw these cases out with prejudice. the previous judge that threw out the case of apple v motorola recently sets a pretty nice precedent for telling this two children to go play nice.
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To be fair, Apple launched the first nuke in this mutually assured destruction with the Galaxy Nexus ban.
Not going to happen for a few reasons:
1. The patent in dispute is based on a 3G standard that Motorola is letting many other companies use. This isn't like Apple's design patent suits. It is a standard, so all they likely need to do is work out a licensing deal.
2. There would be way too much backlash and public disapproval of such a decision.
3. Apple has way too many backers: Verizon, AT&T, Microsoft, the FTC, and Congress to name a few. That is A LOT of support.
4. Things usually tend to fall Apple's way. Whether it's bias, really good lawyers, or the result of being the most valuable company in the world, they seem to get their way more than they should.
dardani89 said:
this is ridiculous from both parties. they're just acting like a bunch of babies at this point. I was reading on fortune magazine over the weekend that judges are getting sick of this crap by both camps and are gonna be getting more likely to throw these cases out with prejudice. the previous judge that threw out the case of apple v motorola recently sets a pretty nice precedent for telling this two children to go play nice.
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Whatever dude. I think Google, Samsung and Motorola have been pretty frickin patient with Apple and their psychopathic former leader Steve Jobs (RIH). Especially considering the Apple you know today was all started from stealing from Xerox and then stealing from a whole industry only to turn around and claim it as their own.
I say we file a class action lawsuit against the patent offices who are giving Apple all these bull**** patents. Does the patent office really not give a damn who the technology belongs to? I really would like to see Apple come out with SOMETHING original.
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They have been doing this for over a year, there's an apple fanboy I used to go to high school with on my Facebook and rants all the time about how Apple is taking action against Android for their "thievery" I lol'd then put him in his place by stating lock screen usage and notification drawer, which have been android for years!!! I pointed every little flaw in his arguement only for him to delete his status he made and remove from his friends. That's Apple fans for you. This will not end and will have little effect to any of us in the long run.
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Sadly it won't happen
Here's why: Apple is the golden child of the good ol' Us of ****ing A, and the entire system is corrupt. How much would you like to bet that the judge who placed the GNexus ban is getting some sort of payout or campaign contribution. Apple will win because apple has the deepest pockets. They have a great legal team, and have the best marketing team on the planet. I personally see them as a threat to all technology, as I fear they're going to use patents to kill innovation.
I wish it would end on both sides, the patent war that is.
Patents are fine, but you can't say someone is stealing from you, when they take your idea and throw in some new ideas/inventions. You patented something specific. You didn't patent something square and is a phone.
What is annoying to me is for a couple of years now the courts have ruled for Apple. But now when people start suing Apple, their reply is "im sick of this."
Why couldn't you have said that from the beginning? To me it seems that Apple has all the control with it's lawsuits.
Well, Apple is the US company being judged by US courts, at least vs Samsung. Let's see what happens with Google.
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Paging Dr B said:
Here's why: Apple is the golden child of the good ol' Us of ****ing A, and the entire system is corrupt. How much would you like to bet that the judge who placed the GNexus ban is getting some sort of payout or campaign contribution. Apple will win because apple has the deepest pockets. They have a great legal team, and have the best marketing team on the planet. I personally see them as a threat to all technology, as I fear they're going to use patents to kill innovation.
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I'm fairly certain judge Koh or whatever her name is got bribed, the case she's handling had till recently, based on her comments not been going Apple's way, including not allowing a ban on the SGS3 to go through, and then suddenly she changes her mind? Not likely at all, the law has been generally against Apple from day one, nothing has changed law wise for this sudden turn around.
AND her turnaround comes way too close after Judge Posner's ruling that injunction's are not to be used as punishment and to stop competition
BGR is the worst place to get Android/Google news. It is run by a bunch of Apple fan boys, so of course they are going to over speculate the situation. Go to a reliable source like Engadget or Phonedog.
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I'm fairly certain judge Koh or whatever her name is got bribed, the case she's handling had till recently, based on her comments not been going Apple's way, including not allowing a ban on the SGS3 to go through, and then suddenly she changes her mind? Not likely at all, the law has been generally against Apple from day one, nothing has changed law wise for this sudden turn around.
AND her turnaround comes way too close after Judge Posner's ruling that injunction's are not to be used as punishment and to stop competition
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she didn't change her mind because she was bribed. she changed her mind because initially she didn't find apples argument for unified search to be reasonable to warrant a patent so she threw out the case but not without prejudice. then apple appealed the case to a higher court. the appeals court found apples argument to be justified in the unified search patent and Judge Koh was ordered by the federal appeals court to retake the case and find a decision. she was not allowed to revisit the issue if the patent was legitimate or not, the higher court had made that decision for her. so she had to work on what she was given, and under the assumptions that she was ordered to accept from the higher court, lead to the conclusion of the injunctions. Judges make bad decisions and good decisions, they're just human beings. Ultimately though they make decisions based on the law and orders from above, not what is right or wrong. The problem here is not the Judges, it's a combination of Samsung's God awful legal team, Apples abuse of the patent system, the failure of the patent system in technology and our austerity mindset with regards to budget cuts for the patent office.
its a bit retarded that apple has to stop any phone that will be better than theirs