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Went through two primes

I had to return two Prime's. One had a busted vibrator and two stuck pixels that i couldn't fix after 36 hours of a pixel fixing program. The other had a screen defect similar to if you placed a white led Christmas light directly behind a sheet of white paper. They both ran like champs but to hell with the supposed super awesome better than ever super ips+ screens.
I have given up on the prime. I am going to sell the dock on ebay for a profit.
Could anyone who has used a Prime please tell me how well it runs and works vs your Original Transformer? I have read about the reasons why people may or may not want to upgrade to the Prime with the T700 coming soon or whatever but I really want to hear from people who have first hand experience on both. The lack of complaints here in general has me optimistic.
Am I going to miss the thinness and feel of the Prime? Does the OG feel as nice in the hand? Does the OG Transformer feel as smooth swiping screens and browsing the net? I don't game much...other than ROMS and Angry Birds so I don't care about that as much.
I have read about the dock drain issue and have to assume if I buy new, which I will, that this will not be an issue. Please let me know if I am wrong about that.
Also, have there been many issues with the screen? If I buy this and the screen is defective I am not sure it will make it back to the store. I will probably throw it at a wall and have a heart attack. I don't care about light bleed around the edges on a black screen. I have been used to light bleed on LCD screens since before I can remember....it simply doesn't bother me since I have never seen a display without at least a little other than a phone I have with a Super Amoled screen.
Is going from the Transformer to the Prime like the cell phone world as far as specs vs actually real world difference? (Meaning not much difference in performance but you get to say you have the latest) I have a single core 800mhz phone and it runs as good or better than any new phone on the market. The specs would disagree but my use of it proves to me that specs on paper mean nothing. In other words does Tegra 3 really translate into real world performance gains other than on benchmarks or graphically intensive games? The only experience I have on ICS or HC is with the Prime so I am not sure if Tegra 3 vs Tegra 2 will make a difference in this case.
Is there anything super good about the Prime that you just think would be a deal breaker giving up for the Transformer?
The Prime was my first tablet and I absolutely loved it. Almost kept the second one but my wife talked me out of it. This whole experience has left a very rotten taste in my mouth as far as Asus is concerned but I just absolutely love the combination of the tablet with the dock...it's just so elegant.
Thanks guys. I know you have probably seen posts like this a lot lately but I really am getting frustrated as I am throwing my wallet at ASUS and they seem to want me to keep my money.
If this post is tl;dr please just keep your comments to yourself.

Wrong section. Need to visit the transformer prime section.
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Why not ipad2?

Visiting the forum of a new product you are asking about compared to an old one will pretty much always result in the newer being better. I wanted advice from people who stuck with the old and had experience with the new.

goodintentions said:
Why not ipad2?
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Real classy, ass. Were your other 1,900+ posts just as informative?

Goodintentions serves as a great role model for everything NOT to become while being an Android user..you realize how abrasive you are throwing up 'buy an ipad2' everywhere? I'm about to leave the site completely for fear that there are others like you here. You are everything that is wrong with Android fanbois.
Heck, you even FOLLOWED me to a YOUTUBE video to post that crap! I hope google is paying your for ad-time, either that or your mother must have been murdered by an Ipad..or you are just a jerk who can't keep negative comments to themselves. Either way, I love my TF101, and wouldn't trade it for a prime (too many issues). So to the OP, take that how you want it
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Evo_Shift said:
Real classy, ass. Were your other 1,900+ posts just as informative?
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LMAO EXACTLY! Someone else sees this BS..

I have not had a problem with my transformer at all. But I am no power user either. I can tell you the graphics are good and it can only get better when ics hits.
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There's been so much bickering going on around these parts that it's getting really difficult to find relevant information. Here are my thoughts, having owned both.
Asus has paid attention to many of the little details that needed improvement on the TF101. To name a few:
-Build quality: TF101 would creak (both the tablet and dock) if you torque it a bit.
-Camera: LED flash added. I don't really use it much, but it's nice to have.
-USB cable: old one received a lot of complaints for being too short; new one is 2 feet longer.
-Docking mechanism is much snappier, and now has two battery indicators.
-Battery life is vastly better when tablet is sitting at idle.
-Speakers sound much better on the TF201. TF101 lacks depth just like any other phone or tablet.
-Haptic feedback added: TF101 doesn't vibrate at all.
Increased processing power is easily apparent in graphics and video playback. I have video files that simply will not play on the TF101 but play just fine on the TF201. Also, apps start up and load faster so you'll see a difference there.
However, I have noticed that some TegraZone games actually play smoother on the TF101. The problem is, some developers have been way too ambitious with Tegra 3 and while the graphics look much nicer, they actually end up becoming more choppy. Zen Pinball THD is a good example of this.
The thinner profile definitely appeals to me more and is a bit lighter. One drawback I've noticed with the dock being so slim, though, is that the key stroke is shallower than before. I prefer the TF101 keyboard for typing, although it's not a huge deal.
I thought the TF101 was a great tablet until the day I got the TF201. Now, I only see it as a good tablet. It's unfortunate you've had some issues with QC, but as I recall the early TF101 units also had a fair share of people that were not satisfied. Anyway, having used both, there's really no way I can go back to the OG Transformer, and I don't see enough change in the upcoming T700 to warrant another upgrade (and another round of waiting only to be frustrated by Asus not being able to supply enough). I'd say stick with the TF201 and hope you get a good unit like mine.

Actually, I'm serious this time. Might I also recommend the galaxy tab 10.1. The point is there seems to be a lot of reports about problems with a lot of the prime devices. Asus just came out with the TF700T or something like that that seems to fix all the design flaws. To me, there's no better tell tale (or is it tale tell?) sign of them recognizing and quietly admitting there was a design flaw.
If the OP went through 2 prime devices and happened to have found 2 defective products, why should we encourage him to get a 3rd prime? This isn't an apple fanboy website where we ignore all the flaws of a device.
To the OP, the TF101 might not be the latest and greatest, but it certainly one of the best tablets out there. For everyday purposes, it does everything you need plus more. If you don't want to get an ipad, try the TF101 and see if you like it.
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Lani Kai said:
There's been so much bickering going on around these parts that it's getting really difficult to find relevant information. Here are my thoughts, having owned both.
Asus has paid attention to many of the little details that needed improvement on the TF101. To name a few:
-Build quality: TF101 would creak (both the tablet and dock) if you torque it a bit.
-Camera: LED flash added. I don't really use it much, but it's nice to have.
-USB cable: old one received a lot of complaints for being too short; new one is 2 feet longer.
-Docking mechanism is much snappier, and now has two battery indicators.
-Battery life is vastly better when tablet is sitting at idle.
-Speakers sound much better on the TF201. TF101 lacks depth just like any other phone or tablet.
-Haptic feedback added: TF101 doesn't vibrate at all.
Increased processing power is easily apparent in graphics and video playback. I have video files that simply will not play on the TF101 but play just fine on the TF201. Also, apps start up and load faster so you'll see a difference there.
However, I have noticed that some TegraZone games actually play smoother on the TF101. The problem is, some developers have been way too ambitious with Tegra 3 and while the graphics look much nicer, they actually end up becoming more choppy. Zen Pinball THD is a good example of this.
The thinner profile definitely appeals to me more and is a bit lighter. One drawback I've noticed with the dock being so slim, though, is that the key stroke is shallower than before. I prefer the TF101 keyboard for typing, although it's not a huge deal.
I thought the TF101 was a great tablet until the day I got the TF201. Now, I only see it as a good tablet. It's unfortunate you've had some issues with QC, but as I recall the early TF101 units also had a fair share of people that were not satisfied. Anyway, having used both, there's really no way I can go back to the OG Transformer, and I don't see enough change in the upcoming T700 to warrant another upgrade (and another round of waiting only to be frustrated by Asus not being able to supply enough). I'd say stick with the TF201 and hope you get a good unit like mine.
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Do you have gps and wifi issue? From what I've read, half of the prime owners report gps and wifi issue while the other half report not having any problem at all with both these features. I'm having trouble telling just how many units out there have these problems because of the all metal back.
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luna_c666 said:
Goodintentions serves as a great role model for everything NOT to become while being an Android user..you realize how abrasive you are throwing up 'buy an ipad2' everywhere? I'm about to leave the site completely for fear that there are others like you here. You are everything that is wrong with Android fanbois.
Heck, you even FOLLOWED me to a YOUTUBE video to post that crap! I hope google is paying your for ad-time, either that or your mother must have been murdered by an Ipad..or you are just a jerk who can't keep negative comments to themselves. Either way, I love my TF101, and wouldn't trade it for a prime (too many issues). So to the OP, take that how you want it
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What youtube video?
Look, I admit that I'm a jerk. I just have a problem with whiners. I don't mind legit complaints about real honest to god issues. If you've been helping people with tech support for as long as I have, you'd get sick of whiners as well.
If you have the energy, complain about legit issues. I kid you not, I've seen someone complain that an all metal back tablet is too cold to the hands and so the end of the world is coming or some other nonsense. I simply don't find the same level of whining from the apple world. I don't own anything apple except the ipod I got as a gift. But apple users seem to be a happier bunch of people than everyone else. At least they don't constantly whine. Heck, apple put a phone OS on the ipad and apple users praised. But god forbids if an android tablet runs on a 2.2 or 2.3 version.

Dude, what is the damn difference between a faulty GPS and a faulty screen? And the video that I commented on a few days ago about the guy with ICS when I pointed out his light bleeds like my first TF, although not as severely.
A creak in your hands is a legit complaint, but a faulty screen isn't? Wow you have a way of picking and choosing what problems are legit and which are just 'whiner' problems..devoid of all logic. I'd say light bleed is a MUCH worse issue than creaking in your hands..it afterall affects the visability of the screen.
Apparently though you've made your mind up a long time ago to simply be disrespectful to anyone who complains about an issue that you are complacent about.

luna_c666 said:
Dude, what is the damn difference between a faulty GPS and a faulty screen? And the video that I commented on a few days ago about the guy with ICS when I pointed out his light bleeds like my first TF, although not as severely.
A creak in your hands is a legit complaint, but a faulty screen isn't? Wow you have a way of picking and choosing what problems are legit and which are just 'whiner' problems..devoid of all logic. I'd say light bleed is a MUCH worse issue than creaking in your hands..it afterall affects the visability of the screen.
Apparently though you've made your mind up a long time ago to simply be disrespectful to anyone who complains about an issue that you are complacent about.
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Hahaha, that was you? What a coincidence! I honestly did not follow you anywhere. I was just looking up ICS on youtube.
Look, it's great that you supposedly have a device with no light bleed at all. After dealing with at least a dozen ips devices first hand, I still haven't found one without light bleed yet. Did find some with small and some with large.
You really think light bleeds is that big of a problem? If everyone who has light bleeds decide to keep exchanging units for a new one in hopes of finding one without light bleeds, it would be a disaster.
I'm not saying you shouldn't exchange your unit if you don't like light bleeds. Just be aware that every or almost every ips devices out there have light bleeds.
I'm still snickering over the fact that we found each other on a youtube video and here.

light bleed is a bad problem. all of them are. I had to choose between stuck pixels, dust under the screen or slight light bleed. Or low OC. It is simply too much to hope for a perfect screen+no creak+good overclocking. It sounds reasonable and it should theoretically be expected that all the screens are perfect but they aren't.
I bought 6 transformers from CompUSA in April for this reason. I chose the one with least light bleed and a good vcore(i binned them). I could have had an even better overclocking one but that one had a stuck pixel. And I wasn't going to open both up and swap Tegra boards out lol.

chatch15117 said:
I bought 6 transformers from CompUSA in April for this reason. I chose the one with least light bleed and a good vcore(i binned them). I could have had an even better overclocking one but that one had a stuck pixel. And I wasn't going to open both up and swap Tegra boards out lol.
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Did you just say you spent $2400? Doesn't compusa charge restocking fee?

Does the OG feel as nice in the hand?
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Who can answer this? It's wholly subjective. It feels nice in my hand but how can I compare this to the prime? Are you asking about lightness? Are you asking if it brings on an orgasm? I have no idea. It feels balance, it feels slightly heavy but only because I have a silicone case on it. Without the case it feels MUCH lighter. You can pick up the floor model in person at Best Buy if you want to see for yourself.
Does the OG Transformer feel as smooth swiping screens and browsing the net?
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Again I have no idea how smooth Prime is but my TF101 swipes across screen smoothy. No hiccups, I can swipe left right left right repeatedly on the home screen with no pauses or discernable chunkiness. If there's any added smoothness in Prime I don't think it's due to the hardware but rather the software (ICS), which would be a moot point since we're getting ICS anyway.

goodintentions said:
Did you just say you spent $2400? Doesn't compusa charge restocking fee?
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no i asked them and they said they wouldn't. and didn't. i just had to return it in the 14 day period.

goodintentions said:
Why not ipad2?
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And your s/n is good intentions lol
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He paved the road to hell lol

chatch15117 said:
no i asked them and they said they wouldn't. and didn't. i just had to return it in the 14 day period.
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i guess it was june, not may.
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full refund on the other 5

Interesting article on the new ipad buyers

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...have-a-clue-as-to-why-they-need-the-new-ipad/
I've been saying this all along. Most people won't be able to tell the difference between HD display and retina display. And most ipad buyers buy the ipad without knowing exactly why.

oooohhh shiny i want one.....oh wait i have something better lol.

Apple are bieist SOBS, When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote I was literally grinding my teeth as they laughed at Android's small flaws (which wernt exactly flaws) and promoted the iPad flawless in comparison compared. This happens every year and this year is no different to apple's routine to demotivate other companies at every keynote!, plus the biggest WTF moment in the whole keynote was when they compared the tegra 3 to the apple A5 and A5X chips and told the tegra to be the lowest one in all of them!!! I mean come on ! A5 was a dual core and Tegra 3 is a quad core plus the 5th ninja core!! WTF APPLE! #$%& you!

alizafar said:
Apple are bieist SOBS, When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote I was literally grinding my teeth as they laughed at Android's small flaws (which wernt exactly flaws) and promoted the iPad flawless in comparison compared. This happens every year and this year is no different to apple's routine to demotivate other companies at every keynote!, plus the biggest WTF moment in the whole keynote was when they compared the tegra 3 to the apple A5 and A5X chips and told the tegra to be the lowest one in all of them!!! I mean come on ! A5 was a dual core and Tegra 3 is a quad core plus the 5th ninja core!! WTF APPLE! #$%& you!
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Apple clearly are the Kings when it comes to spinning stuff...
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goodintentions said:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...have-a-clue-as-to-why-they-need-the-new-ipad/
I've been saying this all along. Most people won't be able to tell the difference between HD display and retina display. And most ipad buyers buy the ipad without knowing exactly why.
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The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.

baseballfanz said:
The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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quoted for truth

baseballfanz said:
The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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Well you have your hardcore groups in either. I know people with an iPad 1 that didn't feel compelled to buy a 2... but the jump from 1 to 3 warrants a new purchase. I have a Transformer but didn't rush out for the Prime just because. Mine works great and nothing pushes it to a place where it under performs. Same with any make and model.
Its like console sales. Fanboys always say PS3 is selling more or 360 has the lead.... but eventually everyone who wants one will have one and numbers decline. Putting a bigger processor to run a larger screen resolution cancel out the speed benefits of said quad core. Plus native resolution will look good on any screen designed to run that specific resolution. My transformer has a beautiful screen with great clarity but I'm not running 1920x1200... how can that be!!!!
Super high resolutions are best left for the big dogs (ie PCs). 1280x1024 is plenty for a 10" screen. My 26" LCD PC monitor runs at 1920x1200... overkill for a 10" screen.
The downfall is now your forced to stream higher quality video because 480p will look like total crap when stretched to much. That or play them at their native size which will be super tiny = defeats purpose. Plus iOS is faced with ANOTHER resolution change, and we all know apps don't scale in Apple land... so prepare to purchase all your apps and games for their HD+ editions all over again.
Pass.
Asus TF101 ICS 4.0.3

baseballfanz said:
The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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Um, no.
I went through quite a few tablets (including the ipad) before I settled down to the TF101. And when the prime came out, I didn't go and line up for hours/days to buy one on the first day. I still don't have a prime even though I've been thinking of upgrading. I just haven't found a good reason to upgrade yet.

i think apple needs to realize that a 4:3 resolution is NOT FOR MOVIES, NOT FOR WEBSITES
they should have gone with 2048x1280 for 16:10 res. 2048x1152 is just too thin(16:9, as in dell's SP2309W that is 2048x1152)
still though 1920x1200 is plenty for a 10 inch screen.
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i bet they asked some old people if they could tell the difference between 250ppi and 132ppi
for the record TF101 is at 150ppi. i think 200 is the sweet spot

goodintentions said:
Um, no.
I went through quite a few tablets (including the ipad) before I settled down to the TF101. And when the prime came out, I didn't go and line up for hours/days to buy one on the first day. I still don't have a prime even though I've been thinking of upgrading. I just haven't found a good reason to upgrade yet.
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Um, yes. Maybe not you personally and i never say you. I'm just saying the majority of the consumers out there. you think the majority of Android users will even know what tegra2 is of you ask them. LOL

either ive converted a few people in our area or the Ipad3 just didnt do it for them.........
We took 4 paid pre orders on Thursday (yes only 4) - sold around the same amount again on the
launch day, and maybe a few more than that yesterday......so out of just over 40 we had around half still in stock left,
Think we sold more Ipad2 tbh. We had them side by side with the inpregnated Apple demo photos on the screen and although to some the difference was clear, others didnt see alot in it......infact the majority said "which ones the new one?".......and the ipad2 photos were taken in over cast conditions which showed the ipad3s sunny snaps up better (hmmm)
Ipad2 launch was carnage and was sold out in under half an hour - including main warehouse.
Personally the screen and camera to me are definately much improved.....didnt see much speed difference. Think id be disapointed going from a 2 to a 3 though.

When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote
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The disingenuous part of the speech was where he explains why the iPad will never be beaten by Android tablets: He proceeds to show two apps, for each app he shows the the Android version which looks like a stretched/scaled phone app and then he shows the iOS version which look like HC/ICS tablet apps.
There's several problems with this:
A) If this is his justification for that statement, his justification is a joke.
B) His team handpicked the two worst apps to make his point. It's like claiming you're the strongest in the village and beating up a toddler to prove it. If he wanted to do a fair comparison he should have compared the iOS YouTube app to the Android HC/ICS YouTube app because the YouTube app (and other apps like the G-Mail app) on HC/ICS showcases the new ActionBar and Fragment classes Google introduced from HC onward.
He took the two worst apps that didn't utilize these classes and of course as a result they looked like **** compared to the iOS versions. His justification = a big LOL.
Here's a picture diagram of the YouTube app on both Android and iOS and you'll see they're very similar and if he had shown this it would have deflated his weak punchline. Each fragment (in red/blue) can hold what used to be separate activities so you can see multiple activities on the screen at once on the extra real estate of a tablet screen. The menu is no longer hidden by a hardware or software button. It's proudly displayed on the top as an Options Menu on the ActionBar for crucial options and the rest or what won't fit goes in the overflow menu (green).
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Just wait 'til they announce the iPhone 5...eh...I mean the iPhone 4GS.

Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
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erm we will get a fix for that u know dont be so cynical

EP2008 said:
Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
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I'm still puzzled by this random reboot thing that's supposedly plaguing the TF101's out there. None of the 15 TF's we have have random reboots. They all go into deep sleep just fine. I haven't charged my TF since Thursday. It goes into deep sleep almost immediately after the screen is turned off.

goodintentions said:
I'm still puzzled by this random reboot thing that's supposedly plaguing the TF101's out there. None of the 15 TF's we have have random reboots. They all go into deep sleep just fine. I haven't charged my TF since Thursday. It goes into deep sleep almost immediately after the screen is turned off.
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Your 15 tf's might be all good but the FACT is the random reboot problem exist. It's posted all over this and other forums.
Personally i dont suffer from this random reboot but I'm not going to pretend ALL TF are like mine.

EP2008 said:
Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
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Lol! Nice...but very weak dig at Android!
You're right though. Apple devices are perfect . I mean I've never seen my friend shake the thing all over trying to get the screen to "auto " rotate. Or whine when when I plug my Android device in to a computer it just connects and doesn't have to sync every time.
Point is : there are little annoyances on every platform. If you're going to try yo down Android to speak nicely of ipud, at least try harder
PS : aren't you in the wrong forum if you're bah bah bahhhhing for the ipud? Lol
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Asus Transformer all the way.

eminembdg said:
Lol! Nice...but very weak dig at Android!
You're right though. Apple devices are perfect . I mean I've never seen my friend shake the thing all over trying to get the screen to "auto " rotate. Or whine when when I plug my Android device in to a computer it just connects and doesn't have to sync every time.
Point is : there are little annoyances on every platform. If you're going to try yo down Android to speak nicely of ipud, at least try harder
PS : aren't you in the wrong forum if you're bah bah bahhhhing for the ipud? Lol
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I've got three android devices, two ios devices and one webos device. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but there's no doubt that the ios devices are better built and offer a better user experience.
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[Q] Nexus 4, or Nexus 10? Which one would suit me more?

I realize it's a comparison between a phone and a tablet, but I really don't know which one to get at this point, so I'm hoping some people can possibly help me out
I was mainly interested in the Nexus 4 because of it's portability, camera (8MP), and it has cellular, which I might find useful. I haven't really messed with smaller Android devices though for too long (used 7-inch tablets), so I don't know how well I'll fair with the screen size. I also heard recently that the Nexus 4 wasn't on AOSP, and haven't really seen anything official saying it would ever be supported...
The Nexus 10 is clearly going to be a "slight" issue with portability. The camera is only 5MP, but I really don't know too much more then that (I'm sure there's other aspects to consider when comparing cameras other then megapixels). The screen size sounds amazing, and would be pretty entertaining for gaming and movies, and the resolution is even nicer. And from what I heard, this is the best device for AOSP currently Has no cellular however, but then again I don't think I would want to be using this thing for a phone either (perhaps I can get a hotspot?)
Hardware is another concern. If I assume right, the better the hardware, the longer the device will be supported by Google. With this in mind, the Nexus 10 would be the last device in the latest list of devices to stop receiving higher Android versions, due to the system specs (has more power to run later Android versions basically). Also, hardware determines how smoothly the device would operate as well. I'm certain that both the Nexus 4 and 10 can do the usual tasks without any issue at all, but gaming-wise, I feel the Nexus 10 would be better.
I also have a slight interest in trying to develop for Android in the future, with apps.
So basically:
Nexus 4 Benefits:
- Portability (main)
- Cellular
Disadvantages:
- No AOSP (yet anyway, if ever)
- Go out-of-date quicker
Nexus 10 Benefits:
- Hardware (main)
- AOSP
Disadvantages:
- Portability
- No Cellular (could maybe just get a hotspot though, idk)
As it stands currently, I can't really purchase either device at the moment (I don't have the funds or card from PayPal yet, Nexus 4 is out of stock, and Nexus 4 is a tiny bit more then I have in my PayPal currently). So I have a little bit before I can make a decision anyway Any help would be nice though.
Also, it would be awesome if anyone who has a Nexus 10 currently could try to answer some gaming-related questions:
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- With osu!droid, when playing a song on my Nexus 7, if I spammed tap input during gameplay, beats would just stop approaching, them all come in very quickly, and cause song failure (this shouldn't happen). Would like someone like to test multitouch and multitouch "streaming" (not sure how to explain it, but just spam-touch the screen with 2 fingers during gameplay).
I might suggest playing a song normally first though just to get the feel for how it should play and how beats approach in, then play the same song again and just spam input as much as possible. Under normal cirmstances, beats should just keep appearing like normal, you should either accidentally hit them or miss depending on where your tapping, and maybe fail the song. With the Nexus 7, beats will stop, and then quickly stream in a few seconds either after you stopped spamming input, or as your doing it, and guarantee song failure.
- Does GTA III play smoothly?
- Does DEAD TRIGGER play smoothly?
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sorry man I didn't read your whole post but one is a phone and the other is a tablet... if you have a phone already (which Im sure everyone does) then do with the tablet !!!! lol

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sorry man I didn't read your whole post but one is a phone and the other is a tablet... if you have a phone already (which Im sure everyone does) then do with the tablet !!!! lol
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I do have a phone, but it's... crap lol
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http://www.phonearena.com/phones/LG-300G_id2928
It does work though lol, and I get free minutes with it. I don't exactly use it a lot though... so hmm

This post is stupid and just cluttering up the Q&A's. They are both totally different devices and it depends on what your requirements are therefore no one here can tell you what is best. If you need a new phone get the 4 if you want a tablet get the 10 if you want both then get both. Simple.

^:That's why It's posted in the question thread, and its used as a question. Not cluttering.
Camera, I don't really think it would matter to much, but both are great devices. I say its all in what you want for portability. If you get the tablet, you'd think you should've gotten the phone. Same if you get the phone. Not much of a help, but what phone do you have now? Do you really need an upgrade?
I'd most likely go for the Phone. Tablets, never really admired them to much. I had a Galaxy Tablet. Wasn't impressed.
Also, this was with a 3MP 2 year old phone stock camera. Look at it :thumbup:
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If your mainly interested in the Nexus 4 then go for that. I thought my I9000 was getting old! It will be a massive upgrade of your current phone.

I think you almost answered your own question with the portability comment. I'm getting the N10 becasue I already have an S3. IMO I would go with the N4 in your case. It will also be way easier to show off the N4 to all your friends.

Well currently I don't really use my cell phone a lot (it doesn't really offer too much aside from calling and texting, both of which I don't seem to use too much) at the moment.
My plan was, if I would get the Nexus 4, was to get a data-unlimited plan, and be pretty much good to go in terms of mobility , However, after re-evaluating my financial situation, I don't really have the money to be paying for a phone plan monthly...
I could probably use a cheap prepaid thing for calling and texting, but having no data (or at least not unlimited) is kind of a big downside. Because of this, I may end up going for the Nexus 10 in the end.
I haven't spent too much time in the Nexus 10 forums at all since I really wasn't planning to buy this device initially, but are there any possible "widespread" issues with this device? With the Nexus 4 for example, some people mention temperature throttling, and there's even a decent thread about yellow tinting on the screen depending on how much heat is generated.

espionage724 said:
Well currently I don't really use my cell phone a lot (it doesn't really offer too much aside from calling and texting, both of which I don't seem to use too much) at the moment.
My plan was, if I would get the Nexus 4, was to get a data-unlimited plan, and be pretty much good to go in terms of mobility , However, after re-evaluating my financial situation, I don't really have the money to be paying for a phone plan monthly...
I could probably use a cheap prepaid thing for calling and texting, but having no data (or at least not unlimited) is kind of a big downside. Because of this, I may end up going for the Nexus 10 in the end.
I haven't spent too much time in the Nexus 10 forums at all since I really wasn't planning to buy this device initially, but are there any possible "widespread" issues with this device? With the Nexus 4 for example, some people mention temperature throttling, and there's even a decent thread about yellow tinting on the screen depending on how much heat is generated.
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Considering it's still on it's way to consumers hands, there really aren't any reports of widespread issues yet (that I have read about). I have been looking at tablets for about 6 months now, and was relieved to hear that Samsung was doing the hardware for this. In my research, and talking to people with tablets, there is always going to be some sort of "issue". I was dead set on the Infinity until I started hearing all the negative reports. That being said, I have talked to happy Infinity owners as well. I think with these types of tech, you have to gamble at some point, becasue there is always going to be something better and newer around the corner. IMO, the amount of features you get for the price is just too sweet to pass up on the N10. Maybe I will regret it, maybe I won't. Either way, I will have a 10 inch tablet, where as right now, I don't own one...

If money for the phone plan is a concern, I'm not sure I would consider any of these two devices.
I would say nexus 4, but if you aren't going to use data then you may as well stick with your old phone until you can.
If you are looking at a wifi only nexus 10, why not nexus 7? It has better portability then the N10, and is also $200 cheaper.
Depending on where you live, you might be able to find some free wifi, but I know where I live the only time I find useful wifi is when I'm at home.

drcujo said:
If money for the phone plan is a concern, I'm not sure I would consider any of these two devices.
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Yea that's probably a good point; but I sold my Nexus 7 and other stuff specifically for a new device lol; kind of miss having an Android device
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I would say nexus 4, but if you aren't going to use data then you may as well stick with your old phone until you can.
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I would like to use data, but I mean technically I barely use my current phone as it is. Chances are I would probably use the device for videos and games then actual calling and texting. But since I can't really get a data plan in the forseeable future, I don't quite know how comfortable I'd feel using the Nexus 4.
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If you are looking at a wifi only nexus 10, why not nexus 7? It has better portability then the N10, and is also $200 cheaper.
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I had a Nexus 7, and it was nice and all, but the specs on the Nexus 10 are what make me want it, along with the larger screen size.
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Depending on where you live, you might be able to find some free wifi, but I know where I live the only time I find useful wifi is when I'm at home.
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Yea WiFi is a bit of a problem in my area, but the places I usually go have free WiFi available.
I'm probably just going to go with a Nexus 10 at this point though. Not being able to get an unlimited data plan is a pretty big disadvantage imo, and I barely call and text people as it is currently anyway with my phone (I think I actually used Google Voice more on my Nexus 7 when I had it). The large display and hardware has me really interested in the Nexus 10 currently. Possibly another big bonus is a rear-facing camera, which my Nexus 7 didn't have (didn't know how much I would of liked one until I didn't have it; came from a SGT7 prior to getting a N7).
If anything though, I would most likely get a Nexus 4 later

If you can only get one, get the Nexus 4.
You'll certainly get more use out of it for day to day things and it'll be just fine as a development platform as well.
I'm passing on the N4 because my One X is nearly as capable for my smartphone needs, the screen is right on par with resolution, size and quality, it's arguably just as "sexy", and has twice the storage (and a strong development community).
I might be singing a different song if the N4 at least matched my One X's 32Gb of storage, but that's not to be.
I am however, picking up an N10, despite already owning an N7 and Tab 8.9 LTE. The display...for me it's all about the display, and the N10's display is a significant upgrade from my existing tablets.

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I do have a phone, but it's... crap lol
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/LG-300G_id2928
It does work though lol, and I get free minutes with it. I don't exactly use it a lot though... so hmm
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keep that phone. the nexus 4 not much better!

I'm pretty sure I'll end up going with the 10, but the only thing bothering me currently is, I guess what seems to be the lack of "attention" towards the device? I mean I was just looking at the forum information, and the N4 has 24k posts under General, whereas the N10 only has 2k... I mean this probably doesn't mean much at all, but what would this say about ROM/Kernel development and interest in the long run?

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I'm pretty sure I'll end up going with the 10, but the only thing bothering me currently is, I guess what seems to be the lack of "attention" towards the device? I mean I was just looking at the forum information, and the N4 has 24k posts under General, whereas the N10 only has 2k... I mean this probably doesn't mean much at all, but what would this say about ROM/Kernel development and interest in the long run?
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If you are saying the N10 isn't getting attention, then I would assume your original post is misleading. You were inquiring about portability and such, not development. I think overall, the cellular devices get more "attention" than tablets anyway...

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If you are saying the N10 isn't getting attention, then I would assume your original post is misleading. You were inquiring about portability and such, not development. I think overall, the cellular devices get more "attention" than tablets anyway...
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I don't think I care about development "that" much, but I do like trying out people's ROM's and Kernels from time to time. I guess in the end both devices will have a good bit of attention, with the N4 having more.
I'm using cardboard cutouts of the N4 and N10 atm and seeing how well they fare with general usage around the house. I am liking the N10 a good bit more so far

espionage724 said:
I don't think I care about development "that" much, but I do like trying out people's ROM's and Kernels from time to time. I guess in the end both devices will have a good bit of attention, with the N4 having more.
I'm using cardboard cutouts of the N4 and N10 atm and seeing how well they fare with general usage around the house. I am liking the N10 a good bit more so far
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Compare the post counts between the Galaxy Nexus section and the Nexus 7. There's simply a lot more phone owners than tablet owners, hence more raw activity.
But there's no shortage of custom and modded ROMs, tweaks and kernels for the N7, and there won't be for the N10 either.

[!!OFFICIAL!!] Android 4.2 will grace the ASUS Transformer Series!

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Android 4.2 may be a bit buggy at the moment for Nexus devices, but it doesn’t dampen our hopes that our smartphones will be able to rock the new Android OS in the future. After all, everyone loves keeping up to date if possible, and since the updates are free, we certainly want it to keep coming.
ASUS is an Android device manufacturer that focuses more on the tablet side of the business. While they do offer a smartphone on their list in the form of the Padfone, it is still marketed as part phone, part tablet. The company is definitely so good at making them that Google made them their partner in making the Nexus 7.
If there is a company that must absolutely make sure 4.2 arrives on their devices, it would be ASUS. Why is that? Android Jelly Bean 4.2 brings a very special tablet specific feature that will make these ‘PC and Laptop replacements’ even better in what they do. What am I talking about? I am talking about the Multi-user support introduced in the latest version of Android.
After all, one very important feature of shared PC is the ability to set multiple user profiles on the device to allow each user to personalize their experience with the device. This is obviously a factor that is useful for a shared tablet, which has all the potential use cases of a multimedia PC.
The ASUS Transformer tablets will also greatly benefit from the new tablet interface which improves upon a tablet’s notification and navigation capabilities. Google had a good run with the Honeycomb style interface, but it was deemed that people liked the top down notification bar system better.
The new Miracast integration also makes the Transformer tablets an even better tool in making presentation and sharing them to your peers or coworkers and even in school. This, along with several UI element improvements make the 4.2 update something to really look forward to.
It seems that ASUS doesn’t want to make us wait too long. According to an ASUS customer representative, the company is already working on the 4.2 update for their transformer series. Hopefully, the update won’t take too long, but they are welcome to take a reasonable amount of time to fix the various bugs that Nexus devices seem to have with the update at launch. After all, we don’t want our neo-PCs crashing and rebooting during a very important presentation or while in the middle of making a document.
This post was officialy posted by Asus. Click here to view the original post.
FINALLY an official post by Asus.. And we finally know the news! I can't wait for it. What about you?

Yea, I'm sure Asus will release the update to every single Transformer except the TF101...

i9apps said:
Yea, I'm sure Asus will release the update to every single Transformer except the TF101...
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Well, as they said "the ASUS Transformer Series".. TF101 is in the TF series too. And this time they're talking about the Jelly Bean 4.2, not 4.1 so I think they will release it for the TF101 too.

That article is from 21 November 2012

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That article is from 21 November 2012
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Yeah, but as no one found it, I posted it on here.

I woudn't get my hopes up. It's not a post from Asus nor is it official, the best you get is "According to an ASUS customer representative" and we all know what that means... Asus themselves are officially still quiet on the subject, which suggests they simply want to ignore the issue Sucks because this tablet still outperforms a lot of newer ones.

I don't think either that Asus will update the Transformer to 4.2, from what we've seen from them even the transformer prime should remain in 4.1. Either way it would be buggy as hell, the previous updates of the transformer were far from optimised (and that's an euphemism).
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So do you think jb for the transformer prime is better or worse than cm10 for ours?
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Asus could give me Android 7.0 and I wouldn't give a Damn unless it makes my device usable again. They screwed up a long time ago and never cleaned up their mess for many of us.
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If you search back, you will see this is an old post that ASUS has clarified to say every tf series BUT the 101. Before you post something labeled official, check it out. I want JB as much as most other people , but ASUS is not going to invest another dime on the TF 101. We have been abandonded by ASUS. I for one have abandonded them as a result.

Asus really needs to have better control over their PR people. Yes this addresses transformer series but in reality its only tegra 3 devices. Asus would not go through the trouble of porting it to tegra 2 asus transformer series.
Xoom is already on Jellybean (tegra 2 device).
This is what you get when you buy android without official google involvement...a real mess

Guys you need to realise something about Android, or, shall I say, any Android device you ever buy.
ALWAYS be happy with the Software your device comes with. Do not think "oh, it'll be better with an update". Be sure that the software your device arrives with will make you happy for the next 2 years. And if an update does come, then great, but don't be dissapointed if it doesn't.

if we see this update it won't be for atleast a year
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Guys you need to realise something about Android, or, shall I say, any Android device you ever buy.
ALWAYS be happy with the Software your device comes with. Do not think "oh, it'll be better with an update". Be sure that the software your device arrives with will make you happy for the next 2 years. And if an update does come, then great, but don't be dissapointed if it doesn't.
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Many of us were happy, but Asus broke many of our devices with one of their updates and we've had expensive paper weights ever since.
The dropped the ball and will never see my business again.
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Man, there's a lot of butt hurt in this thread. 4.2.1 is a quick flash away. The asus roms aren't that stable that I've missed being shackled to them. Jellybean and an overclocked kernel has tripled the performance of my tablet over the honeycomb software it originally came with.
ASUS, like Google, have pretty spotty customer service but they make some great stuff. I love my tablet and I'll be buying ASUS for a long time to come.
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grgmre said:
Man, there's a lot of butt hurt in this thread. 4.2.1 is a quick flash away. The asus roms aren't that stable that I've missed being shackled to them. Jellybean and an overclocked kernel has tripled the performance of my tablet over the honeycomb software it originally came with.
ASUS, like Google, have pretty spotty customer service but they make some great stuff. I love my tablet and I'll be buying ASUS for a long time to come.
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:good: I understand there is people unhappy with Asus and their TF, but I couldn't be happier with it, using it for several hours a day since I bought it. And the cooked ROMs out there really work great, for me at last :fingers-crossed:

Thread Closed
First off, there is NO official word from Asus getting JB.
Secondly, as most of us know, there will always be rumors abound posted on many obscure blogs. Get used to it.
Finally, threads like this only fuel the fire for people who are dissatisfied with their device. Next will be full scale flaming ways, as I see it's already starting.
So in the essence to avoid such conflict, Thread Closed before it starts.
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Anybody underwhelmed? Now impressed!

I got the new Nexus 7 at Walmart and also picked up the old Nexus in perfect condition from Craigslist for $85. Been spending time working with both side-by-side all morning. My thoughts...
1. The new one seems marginally quicker at some things like swiping between screens in the launcher. That to me is the most noticeable difference, and it's not that big of a change. I am thinking the better graphic acceleration contributes here.
2. I can't tell much difference in the screens. I know there is more resolution, but with my bifocals, I am just fine with the old screen. Saturation on the new screen seems a teeny bit better, but there is also a slight buish tint. I expected to be blown away by the new screen. I'm not.
3. Call me crazy, but I prefer the feel in the hand of the old version. The more rounded edges and the back feel better to me. Can't tell much of a difference in weight, but the new one definitely feels thinner, and the thinness cuts into my palm a bit more. I don't like the thinner bezels at all. And the new one is slightly taller, feels kind of awkwardly shaped.
4. The new tablet takes significantly longer to charge.
5. I couldn't care less about the front camera. Will never use it.
6. Perhaps the deal-killer for me is that the new version has some kind of touchscreen problem. The keyboard gives double-presses, and single touches on buttons (like "accept" in the Play Store) too often requires multiple tries. Anybody else noticing this? Maybe mine is bad?
All-in-all, it looks like the new Nexus 7 has provided a nice opportunity to get the old version cheap for me. After trying both, I don't see a compelling reason to stay with the new one. Just my honest assessment. Your mileage may vary.
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having seen 2 different N7 2013 units already, i'd say the screen is a lottery just like it was with the 1st model. yellow tint, contrast setting and scroll blur will vary on each one. btw i never understood the reviews that go into some major details about the screen, like anandtech for example. don't get me wrong, their reviews are amazing but those screen technicalities are not worth anything seeing how the review unit will be different to any actual unit on the store shelves.

Cubfan99 said:
I got the new Nexus 7 at Walmart and also picked up the old Nexus in perfect condition from Craigslist for $85. Been spending time working with both side-by-side all morning. My thoughts...
1. The new one seems marginally quicker at some things like swiping between screens in the launcher. That to me is the most noticeable difference, and it's not that big of a change. I am thinking the better graphic acceleration contributes here.
2. I can't tell much difference in the screens. I know there is more resolution, but with my bifocals, I am just fine with the old screen. Saturation on the new screen seems a teeny bit better, but there is also a slight buish tint. I expected to be blown away by the new screen. I'm not.
3. Call me crazy, but I prefer the feel in the hand of the old version. The more rounded edges and the back feel better to me. Can't tell much of a difference in weight, but the new one definitely feels thinner, and the thinness cuts into my palm a bit more. I don't like the thinner bezels at all. And the new one is slightly taller, feels kind of awkwardly shaped.
4. The new tablet takes significantly longer to charge.
5. I couldn't care less about the front camera. Will never use it.
6. Perhaps the deal-killer for me is that the new version has some kind of touchscreen problem. The keyboard gives double-presses, and single touches on buttons (like "accept" in the Play Store) too often requires multiple tries. Anybody else noticing this? Maybe mine is bad?
All-in-all, it looks like the new Nexus 7 has provided a nice opportunity to get the old version cheap for me. After trying both, I don't see a compelling reason to stay with the new one. Just my honest assessment. Your mileage may vary.
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1. Do you play graphics/processor intensive games? The new processor crushes the old one. I don't recommend the upgrade if smoother swiping between screens is all you're looking for.
2. Again, if you are content with the old resolution... stick with that. Clearly, the majority of reviewers and myself personally are in love with the screen. When I use my GS3 now, I cringe.
3. That's great that you like the old thickness. Sounds like an issue with your expectations.... Not the device itself.
4. You have a point here.
5. You should have known this prior to buying the device.... How can you be underwhelmed by a feature you already knew you didn't want...
6. Never had this happen on the two 32 g models I've used.
TL;DR You're doing it wrong. Stop hating on the device because your expectations are off... Doesn't sound like what you need out of a tablet demands a new Nexus 7... you can't blame the tablet for that.
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Well the reason it takes longer to charge is the old nexus 7 came with a 2 amp charger and the new one only has a 1.3 amp

I for one LOVE the new screen, if you can't see the difference then your in the minority.
An $85 older Nexus 7 is a great value. Just keep it and return the New Nexus, if you do think it worth the premium to you.

I love everything about the New Nexus 7. It is what I expected from Google/Asus and they delivered. What else do you want them to do at the $229 price point? Google has put in a nice 1080p display, underclocked S600 processor, 2gig of ram, 5ghz wifi and the memory subsystem has been approved over the original. My only real criticism is the lack of SD card slot but that is true for any Google device. This is not the perfect tablet and people have to put their expectations in check.
Can anyone compare another $229 tablet to this one? Even the $400 Note 8 gets beat buy this and I'm a Note 2 owner.

I mean for all that are reading this and don't have one yet the truth is this. Should you upgrade? Hell yes!!!! Now when is the question to you I sold my 16gb gen1 for 170 a week ago came with cases so to spend 40 bucks to get the new one is nothing. Even if its 60 dollars its worth it. Think about how much apple fanboys spend to upgrade every year. The new nexus is better in every way possible.
Now if you happy with the old I understand most people are probably using this for reading stuff so the first one is fine. I just never really liked the first design wise
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I still have yet to see the new Nexus 7. I hadn't used my OG Nexus for probably 2 months and, now that I am again, I'm realizing how "good enough" it is. I'm going to have to see the new one to really convince myself to drop $270 on the 32gb.
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its a good upgrade, still a bit of stagger here and there. they should of went with the snapdragon 600 instead of the s4.

This gen is deff better then last gen i wasnt really liking how it felt on the first one this one feels and looks alot better
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its a good upgrade, still a bit of stagger here and there. they should of went with the snapdragon 600 instead of the s4.
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We already know its not just an S4 pro. Basically a binned and under clocked 600
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I'm not saying the new one isn't better... Just that it isn't $150 better (to me).
-- Sent from my Galaxy Note 2

It's underwhelming when you compare it against the high expectations of the first Nexus 7.
The original Nexus 7 made an absolute joke of all the other mfg's 7"-8" tablets at their existing price point. The ONLY reason you'd buy something other than a Nexus 7 was if you wanted micro sd card support - otherwise the specs were no contest. And why should they? Google was working on razor thin margins for the hardware compared to mfgs.
If you go to a box store and look at the new N7, and then look at all the other 7" tablets, everything else is still a joke and it's far from underwhelming. Google stated that they were making a profit on this one, but my guess is that a big part of this is being able to leverage Motorola's buying power/agreements to reduce individual component cost. Best buy is making a 3.5% margin on the new nexus 7 (8-9.4USD). - it barely makes sense to take up the floor space to sell the damn things and I'd wager that most other box retailers are not doing much better.
OT
It'd be genius if someone from BB knew that staples was running the tablet coupon of $30 off and launched early to cause staples to take a loss on their inventory ($~20 per unit).

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I'm not saying the new one isn't better... Just that it isn't $150 better (to me).
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I can understand that, especially after you mentioned picking up the 2012 Nexus 7 for $85 off Craig's list.
People here are gadget geeks and and spec-mongers, always wanting the latest and greatest (me included). Some of its get a little defensive if someone seen to put down our device of choice.

No I am not underwhelmed overall, but I am by the lack of optimization in the games I care about... The funny thing is the old N7 smokes this devices in both GTA3 and Vice City... go ahead, try and max out the settings, I dare any of you. Now I know this device is significantly more powerful but the bottom line is real world performance and I believe the OP raises a valid point: there isn't a significant difference.
Source: I've owned an N4 since launch (and now an N7.2) and had a friend's OG N7 for a couple weeks when they were out of town.

Yeah maybe the upgrade isn't worth an extra $150 over the 1st gen you just got, but it is still an upgrade and we want the latest and so most people are willing to pay the premium for that.
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This should be consolidated into a single "whine" thread instead of cluttering the forum.

Personally my first gen doesn't come close to touching my new one. Everything is so much faster, smoother and instant. Thanks to the extra RAM it doesn't get crippled when running lots of apps or updating. Can't believe anyone could use both devices and not come away thinking the new one is an upgrade and a half.
Oh, and the screen is flipping fantastic, my GS3 takes a second to get used to when switching directly between the two.
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This should be consolidated into a single "whine" thread instead of cluttering the forum.
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Yeah, a shame to clutter a general discussion forum with discussion.
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Well if chime, by the time your ready for an upgrade the og n7 will be worth peanuts