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rumors of nexus S dual core

http://androidandme.com/2010/11/new...ped-new-dual-core-version-already-in-testing/
talks about tech crunches report on "serious hardware issues."
here's hoping!
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Dual core?
Now we're talking.

Hooray! Another thread on the same subject!

Rusty! said:
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Chill.
The other thread is locked now.
But on the subject....I could live with this phone.
Make sure its HSPA+ compatable though !

According to tmonews, it only supports up to 7.2/5.76 HSPA (not plus, sorry).
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/nexus-s-specs-leaked/

mingkee said:
According to tmonews, it only supports up to 7.2/5.76 HSPA (not plus, sorry).
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/nexus-s-specs-leaked/
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looks like you missed the main topic of this thread... there's a new Nexus S in the works with a newer cpu.. supposedly the dual core Orion from samsung. You are still talking about the old specs on the single core CPU. Maybe the change to Orion the radios will change also.

And maybe also the Nexus S will be able to transform into a transmitting device that can place cellular connections with other people that are scattered throughout the United States of America for the provider cost that is paid monthly and also be able to look up various information on the world wide web and display a H on the top of the taskbar which people will still assume is stock on all phones!!!!

I agree the specs of the original Nexus S made me really sad. The original Nexus set the standards for the year to come. Phones are still coming out with the same specs as the N1 even now! So I expect a Dual Core Processor with 32 gig internal running Tmo 4g 10mega pixel camera capable of 1080p 4'3 or bigger display ....have I left anything else out?....oh yeah Angry Birds comes standard

wondercoolguy said:
I agree the specs of the original Nexus S made me really sad. The original Nexus set the standards for the year to come. Phones are still coming out with the same specs as the N1 even now! So I expect a Dual Core Processor with 32 gig internal running Tmo 4g 10mega pixel camera capable of 1080p 4'3 or bigger display ....have I left anything else out?....oh yeah Angry Birds comes standard
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as long as its not 10mp of ****... id rather have 5 of quality than 10 of ****...
1080p recording is just obnoxious...
4.3inch screen is just obnoxious... if there is one thing samsung got right it was the 4inch screen

Nexus S - First Samsung Orion Smartphone?
http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/nexus-s/11523.html
By Sindre Lia, Friday 12 November 2010
The Nexus S is destined to become the first Samsung Orion smartphone, as in the first smartphone to make Hummingbird look old.
The Nexus One was a failure at all but one account: It brought new Android features to smartphone influencers and developers early throughout 2010. Having a star in your fleet of this kind is crucial, and nobody knows it better than Google. The days when you got straight answers from Google executives are long gone - they play ball like OS makers play ball now. We all get confused and then surprised. It's PR at its best and it makes smartphone influencers pay even more attention to what you're really up to.
The Nexus S by Samsung and Google will likely be the most powerful smartphone you've ever seen, as it'll likely be powered by the new Samsung Orion application processor. Its specs pretty much speaks for itself, and we guess the Nexus S will instantly be regarded as the new Android smartphone to be had amongst smartphone influencers and developers looking to get an early taste of new Android features throughout 2011 - and a lot should go wrong if they don't like it. Check out what the processor brings to the table here:
Designed using Samsung's 45 nanometer low-power process technology, Orion features a pair of 1GHz ARM Cortex A9 cores, each comes with a 32KB data cache and a 32KB instruction cache. Samsung also included a 1MB L2 cache to optimize CPU processing performance and provide fast context switching in a multi-tasking environment. In addition, the memory interface and bus architecture of Orion supports data intensive multimedia applications including full HD video playback and high speed 3D action games.
Samsung's new application processor incorporates a rich portfolio of advanced multimedia features implemented by hardware accelerators, such as video encoder/decoder that supports 30fps video playback and recording at 1080p full HD resolution. Using an enhanced graphics processing unit (GPU), the new processors are capable of delivering 5 times the 3D graphics performance over the previous processor generation from Samsung.
The Orion processor will let customers use different types of storage, including NAND flash, moviNAND, SSD or HDD providing both SATA, and eMMC interfaces. Customers can also choose their appropriate memory options including low power LPDDR2 or DDR3, which is commonly used for high performance. In addition, a GPS receiver baseband processor is embedded in the processor to seamlessly support location based services.
A mobile device using the Orion processor can simultaneously support two on-device display screens, while driving a third external display such as a TV or monitor, via an on-chip HDMI 1.3a interface.
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going_home said:
http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/nexus-s/11523.html
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Damn that sounds awesome. SetCPU better get working on a dual CPU version

SO NICE DESIGN !
plastic....but, lighter, never get "over-hit",safer from falls....

going_home said:
http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/nexus-s/11523.html
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Meh.
It isnt too exciting really. The things I want are a better physical design, improved build quality, vastly better battery life, at least iPhone 4 camera quality, proper multitouch, wireless inductive charging, 5ghz N wifi, HSPA+, higher resolution screen etc
Having a dual core processor doesnt do a thing for those issues (except the higher res screen, and even there a dual 1ghz processor is way overkill).

I thought i'd throw my 2cents is as a newb to the phone. I have probably wrestled with keeping it or selling it more than anyone these past two weeks of owning it. (in fact I actually advertised it with all accessories for sale, like stuff I bought thats on its way..but I've been having second thoughts).
Ok. For one, I was in awe of the Galaxy S, even though i hadn't seen one powered on in person. (Plus the girl I like mentioned it when we were talking about my "new phone" and asked if it was a Galaxy )
In all seriousness though, the discussions that got me leaning to the N1 noted:
- Form factor, form factor, form factor. Whether I like the specs or not, I have to like the bling (dare i say), or form factor in general. This phone just fits sweet in the pocket.
- In the other Nexus S thread, guys mentioned how they came back to their N1 after the Galaxy, and one chap mentioned how he's had his N1 for a year and it has no scratches without babying it. (I know from other HTC plastic phones that this can happen, and it does save you money in the long run by not wanting to buy "fresher" fones after 6 months, just based on the looks factor).
- Touchscreen. Yes it may not be as responsive as the Galaxy S, but I can live with it. And the more I think about it, I don't want to relearn how to flash and root a new device, and how to apply all the fixes. (i seriously spent a full week learning stuff for the N1 and thats a lot of investment).
And more applicably to the Nexus S. The first thing that struck me when I looked at it was it looked too bulgy. I gotta like the way my phone looks man and I gotta say after two weeks of owning this it is timeless and slim. AND i'm not just saying this, because I have a buyer already waiting ..who i've been procrastinating turning down. NEway, later for that ;P (I'll help him find a nice one on ebay tho)
one thing i realized without thinking about it too, is there is brand loyalty involved too. I never really realized this before until I saw you guys' sigs, and looked back. i have been an htc fan and never really noticed it. now I know why.
peace out, and have a good night.
PS: be careful when SMSing tonight! TGIFers! heh! Use your Winmo device like I do ;P and heed the SMS Random Selection fairy! ;P

Oh and whoever said the N1 is not good at gaming, might be right BUT i was highly impressed by quake3demo on the nexus one the other night, and really: im not much of a gamer (on my phones).

I play psx emu on there all the time. Its sweet!
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ROM_Guest said:
I thought i'd throw my 2cents is as a newb to the phone. I have probably wrestled with keeping it or selling it more than anyone these past two weeks of owning it. (in fact I actually advertised it with all accessories for sale, like stuff I bought thats on its way..but I've been having second thoughts).
Ok. For one, I was in awe of the Galaxy S, even though i hadn't seen one powered on in person. (Plus the girl I like mentioned it when we were talking about my "new phone" and asked if it was a Galaxy )
In all seriousness though, the discussions that got me leaning to the N1 noted:
- Form factor, form factor, form factor. Whether I like the specs or not, I have to like the bling (dare i say), or form factor in general. This phone just fits sweet in the pocket.
- In the other Nexus S thread, guys mentioned how they came back to their N1 after the Galaxy, and one chap mentioned how he's had his N1 for a year and it has no scratches without babying it. (I know from other HTC plastic phones that this can happen, and it does save you money in the long run by not wanting to buy "fresher" fones after 6 months, just based on the looks factor).
- Touchscreen. Yes it may not be as responsive as the Galaxy S, but I can live with it. And the more I think about it, I don't want to relearn how to flash and root a new device, and how to apply all the fixes. (i seriously spent a full week learning stuff for the N1 and thats a lot of investment).
And more applicably to the Nexus S. The first thing that struck me when I looked at it was it looked too bulgy. I gotta like the way my phone looks man and I gotta say after two weeks of owning this it is timeless and slim. AND i'm not just saying this, because I have a buyer already waiting ..who i've been procrastinating turning down. NEway, later for that ;P (I'll help him find a nice one on ebay tho)
one thing i realized without thinking about it too, is there is brand loyalty involved too. I never really realized this before until I saw you guys' sigs, and looked back. i have been an htc fan and never really noticed it. now I know why.
peace out, and have a good night.
PS: be careful when SMSing tonight! TGIFers! heh! Use your Winmo device like I do ;P and heed the SMS Random Selection fairy! ;P
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Keep in mind that any software related issues with the galaxy series would be non existant on a samsung made nexus phone.

jivemaster said:
Keep in mind that any software related issues with the galaxy series would be non existant on a samsung made nexus phone.
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Granted.
I would still wait, personally, for a nexus phone with the same form factor as this one. Too slim!

If it is really an orion cpu and can work on the same tzones/web2go plan then i would switch and give up the superior design of the nexus.

If it is licensed thru tmo, you will likely need a full data plan...
Afaik only the dev phones can pull this off as tmo has no record of the imei
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[Q] Potential !

Hey guys,
The setting:
So lets say hypothetically, the boot loader is cracked and we have custom Roms along with custom Kernels.
Now:
What is the potential of this phone?
...More specifically, do you guys think the Atrix will be at the top of the mobile world for years to come and be able to match up against newer dual core phones such as the HTC Pyramid, EVO 3D or the new Samsung and LG phones?
Would it be a worthwhile investment?
I'm curious as to whether this phone, if unlocked, will be the standard phone to compete against. Will all other phones coming out still be playing catchup?
I understand the specs, and understand that phones evolve rather quickly.... just curious as to others opinions and their view of the potential the Atrix has.
Thanks,
And lets hope the boot loader gets cracked soon

Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.

veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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it will be just like any other high end phone. old after 6-10 months.

neer2005 said:
Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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I'm completely with you on that
veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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Stuff gets more advanced. Theres no stopping it, theres no way to jump ahead. And theres already stuff about the quad core cortex a9 saying it could come as soon as Q3.
I think the Atrix could be a decent on top phone until 2012 max. Then it's most likely to be murdered by another really awesome phone.

Like other have said tech advances so fast now. with in 10 months there will be something as good if not better along. For example check this out
http://www.thebesthandphone.com/new-quad-core-processors-from-qualcomm.html
some time next year we will most likely see quad core phones on the market.

Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.

veshio said:
Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.
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well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.

I think the Atrix is a good platform for "potential" simply because it has everything everyone else is working towards PLUS a big 1930 MAH battery. We can learn to tweak things down the road, but that is one big battery considering how slim the phone is.

Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.

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Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.
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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.

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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.

The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%

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The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%
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I'd be careful of the update. I was getting similar battery life as you with 5-6 hours of display but now I struggle to get 24 hours with 2 hours of display (and I had to remove some apps like Beautiful Widgets and had to turn off my syncing).
My point on the battery life is no one (other than Apple) is trying to improve battery tech. I had the iPhone 4 before the Atrix and I was easily getting 40-50 hours of use and it only had a 1420mAh battery

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well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.
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i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)

Its the software that can make a device great (40% hardware- 60% software). What good the specs are if the os can't utilize its full potential. One big example is motorola xoom and atrix. Im a bit sad that the mobile phone market is becomming more of a specs/hardware race. And the software is getting left behind. This has been a problem of android. Hope google and its hardware partners(samsung, htc, lg) would put great money into developing better updates for android so it can utilize the whole potential of the hardware rather than continously releasing new phones with premature softwares.
And yeah they should improve battery technoogy too...

G1-8701 said:
i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)
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This.
and some, like me, think the 4" screen is the perfect size while the 4.3" screen is too big. However, with all future phones, it just comes down to personal preference.

aszrael1266 said:
Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.
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Wrong, wrong and wrong. Where do you get your information? The build of Froyo running on the Atrix has dual core support.

I see no faster on Atrix running Froyo at the moment. The speed is on par with SS GS and NS. But i rely on Motorola because i have had a few SS phones and all of them had hardware/build issues.

I think the phone will be relevant (to us anyway) for around 3 years, same as with last generations top tier phones.
What I think a lot of people here are confusing is, for the most part, relevance aslnd aactual pole position.
You have to talked into consideration how much better tthe next generation phone is, and whether or not that makes the previous generation actually obsolete or just dated.
For instance, I have the Nexus 1 right now and iI got it after I got the Captivate and Atrix. Yes the Atrix is a better phone on paper but it isn't THAT much better to make me want to get rid of my current phone.
I think, logically, that it will be the 2nd generation up that makes the former irrelevant (at this point). The Atrix and dual core phones announced aalready make the first first Gen smartphones (iPhone 1, HTC hero) extremely dated but the latter half (nexus 1, galaxy s, etc) are still relevant ttoday.
Of course you also have to factor in the applications that are being used and the network the phones are on. Right now, this instant, dual core phones aren't needed because of the speed of the network, light usage for CPU for browsing, and widespread video codecs.
Next year that might change.
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How good is CM9 on the Artix?

In conclusion: Amazing. The work Turl, Jokersax, etc have done here is amazing.
Why do I say this? I just got a One X. And it feels slower than my Atrix
Thanks guys, and I hope it will go on being appreciated by my girlfriend (if I can pry her away from the world of physical keyboards - can't keep using a Desire Z forever!)
Some work to be done here, methinks. Plus, I used to think Sense made Android better. Since Google gave us ICS, it feels like an abomination

Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.

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Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.
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The Krait CPU in the dual core version is actually super competitive with the Tegra3 quad core version, so if it is slower than the Atrix, more power to the developers!

ripin150 said:
Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.
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I think you something...

Actually, I would've preferred a Krait-based version (krait owns a9s in terms of performance per core, so an app is going to have to be very well threaded to run faster on Tegra 3... Plus Adreno 225 is a good deal faster than Tegra 3s GPU) but here in the UK we don't have commercially available LTE yet, so mine's the standard Kal-El quad.
It's better now its rooted and running a bloat-free ROM, but it doesn't feel faster than the Atrix tbh. It's nice to finally have a phone with a non-pentile screen though

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Actually, I would've preferred a Krait-based version (krait owns a9s in terms of performance per core, so an app is going to have to be very well threaded to run faster on Tegra 3... Plus Adreno 225 is a good deal faster than Tegra 3s GPU) but here in the UK we don't have commercially available LTE yet, so mine's the standard Kal-El quad.
It's better now its rooted and running a bloat-free ROM, but it doesn't feel faster than the Atrix tbh. It's nice to finally have a phone with a non-pentile screen though
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That's so weird to hear that the quad isn't as fast. I know we don't need quad cores at all, its stupid and only for wow factor, but its still weird to hear that. Once more developers get on into the One X though, its going to be sick. A lot of devs are leaving the Desire HD to get the One X.
What is the One X overclock-able to?
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i wonder if a de-sensed ROM on the oneX would be smoother?

I wouldn't be surprised if next gen smartphones have a core i7 3960X and 24GB of ram.

Hah! You've hit on why I never bought into the hype for the SGSII. I think we've reached a point where, unless Android 5+ has something really heavy in it the OS is no longer bottlenecked by hardware. Dual core 1Ghz+ CPUs are enough for Android to run like butter, and as a result the screen or LTE are the only incentives to upgrade at this point in time.
I hear you on pentile, ever since I read about it I cant un-notice it on greens. But is a screen really worth $200(contract)-$600(no contract)? IMO its not.
Either way, enjoy your One X. Its popularity and HTC's track record with unlockable bootloaders should all but guarantee you'll see stock ICS roms pretty soon.

The HTC One X comes with Sense 4 so it already has ICS.
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Jotokun said:
Hah! You've hit on why I never bought into the hype for the SGSII. I think we've reached a point where, unless Android 5+ has something really heavy in it the OS is no longer bottlenecked by hardware. Dual core 1Ghz+ CPUs are enough for Android to run like butter, and as a result the screen or LTE are the only incentives to upgrade at this point in time.
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Sure are. To be honest, I was perfectly happy with my Atrix. With CM9, it's perfect - incredibly fast, stable and great battery life (at least as far as Android phones go ). The only reason I upgraded was because I came to the end of my contract, and as I have to keep paying the amount I am for the internet coverage anyway, I figured why not renew for another 2 years and grab a new toy with no up-front cost.
I hear you on pentile, ever since I read about it I cant un-notice it on greens. But is a screen really worth $200(contract)-$600(no contract)? IMO its not.
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Actually, the Atrix PenTile LCD (RGBW) annoyed me far less than the AMOLED (RGBG) on the Desire I had previously - at least with the Atrix arrangement, black on white/white on black are rendered at full resolution, so most text is very sharp, whereas everything but green renders at 1/4 res on the non-super AMOLED!
Either way, enjoy your One X. Its popularity and HTC's track record with unlockable bootloaders should all but guarantee you'll see stock ICS roms pretty soon.
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Yeah, I think I should be on to a safe bet, the Desire development community is massive, which I always appreciated when I had one And I guess the One X is 2012's Desire... I'm (rather impatiently) looking forward to S-Off, AOSP/CM9 and custom kernels though.
I just need to get used to this size tax that all Android device manufacturers seem to be applying to their high-end phones these days 'Want a powerful phone? Sorry, it's got to be unfathomably gigantic' [it's not the bulk - the One X is lighter and thinner than the Atrix... What really irks me that I can't reach the top corners of the screen whilst holding the phone securely in one hand walking down the road or whatever. But maybe that's just me....]

So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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I don't think video recording works, plus the browser tends to crash if you rotate from portrait to landscape. I now just turn the phone before starting the browser as a matter of habit Hardware video playback/encoding acceleration doesn't yet work, so most flash video at high bitrates is choppy at best, though Youtube works fine, as does local video (the files I tried, anyway). As always for CM roms, Moto webtop doesn't work, although there is a tablet-view based alternative that I think is currently working - it appears this is the route Motorola are going for in their own ICS ROMs anyway, so it will probably be the case for the Atrix too upon release. I don't really know as I've never used it.
But aside from that: yes, it's amazing. Far faster than any Froyo or Gingerbread release I tried in feel. The browser is much faster both in terms of page rendering and scrolling/zooming smoothness. Even complex AJAX web pages scroll and interact smoothly. With Chrome Beta, it's even better! Scrolling and transitions in general are much smoother thanks to the hardware accelerated GUI. To me, the Atrix feels like a whole new phone with ICS. Oh, and I forgot: The battery life is much better with my usage too - I rarely see below about 60% when returning from work these days where as back when I was running CM7, it would often be closer to 30%...

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So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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This thread inspired me to give CM9 a try. It's definitely not ready for prime time. I went back to CM7. The camera didn't work half the time. Video recording doesn't work at all. Can't use tabs in Chrome and it crashed often. No fingerprint unlock which isn't a deal breaker but still a bummer.

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This thread inspired me to give CM9 a try. It's definitely not ready for prime time. I went back to CM7. The camera didn't work half the time. Video recording doesn't work at all. Can't use tabs in Chrome and it crashed often. No fingerprint unlock which isn't a deal breaker but still a bummer.
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I've used phones with OEM firmware with more bugs
What's up with the camera? I have zero issues with stills... Although the Atrix's camera is so terrible it's not really worth using anyway! (I'm sure the camera on my old Desire was a lot better? As is, obviously, the One X - though even that doesn't compete with the cheapest 'real' camera...)
Personally, I found that despite the bugs, going back to <ICS feels like being in the stone age Scrolling, zooming and the render time for complex pages in the browser is so bad on GB I actually hated browsing the web on it before the (very buggy) early test builds of CM9 came along. You can't even use Chrome on previous versions, so why does that matter? The stock browser is infinitely better on ICS than GB...
All the work these guys have put in to bring us ICS, IMO is incredible. Maybe it's not ready for 'prime time' but I'd hazard a guess that Motorola's initial official releases will likely be just as/more buggy (although maybe in different ways) and probably a hell of a lot slower if previous AOSP/CM vs. Moto ROM rules apply... Having said that, the correct + working video drivers from the Moto release when they drop will likely fix everything that's wrong with CM9 on the Atrix at the moment.

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I'd hazard a guess that Motorola's initial official releases will likely be just as/more buggy
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thats just not realistic...
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What don't work on CM9 Roms?

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thats just not realistic...
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Why cut off the parenthesis? He said in different ways, which is more than possible
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Why cut off the parenthesis? He said in different ways, which is more than possible
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because stating that the official release will have as many if not more bugs is not the same as stating it will have different bugs. my argument is against the former. do you really think an official release from motorola, a company that has all the resources they need available to them (including a QA team), would have as many or more bugs than a community-developed ROM, which itself was a best-effort attempt at porting ICS to a platform which did not already have it? i'm sorry, but that is just a brash generalization possibly rooted in some sort of loathsomeness for not having an official ICS release already.

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because stating that the official release will have as many if not more bugs is not the same as stating it will have different bugs. my argument is against the former. do you really think an official release from motorola, a company that has all the resources they need available to them (including a QA team), would have as many or more bugs than a community-developed ROM, which itself was a best-effort attempt at porting ICS to a platform which did not already have it?
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Unfortunately, many Android lovers tend to believe community devs can do no wrong and corporate devs are slow and retarded.
If so, then why is dev work SO much better when source code, drivers, and official builds are released?
CM9 will be absolutely beyond amazing once official Atrix ICS is out and drivers/source is out.

RAM

I am seriously considering the Droid RAZR HD. My main question is about the RAM. Is 1gb going to be enough for the phone to perform well over the next 20 months? I'm worried this will be a major hindrance. I love everything about this phone except its already a generation behind...no S4 pro and no 2 gb RAM.
That is the main reason I'd consider the note 2 or gs3.
I have had Windows Phone for a while now due to bad android experiences at first, so I want to avoid slowness, lags, etc. I'm giving Android one more chance.
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I am seriously considering the Droid RAZR HD. My main question is about the RAM. Is 1gb going to be enough for the phone to perform well over the next 20 months? I'm worried this will be a major hindrance. I love everything about this phone except its already a generation behind...no S4 pro and no 2 gb RAM.
That is the main reason I'd consider the note 2 or gs3.
I have had Windows Phone for a while now due to bad android experiences at first, so I want to avoid slowness, lags, etc. I'm giving Android one more chance.
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The likelihood is that there won't be a manufacturer supported update past Jelly Bean for the RAZR HD given past history. Any of the ROMs out there are optimized so will work fine - think of CM10 running on devices with only 512MB of RAM. It's certainly doable. The average phone is still coming with 1GB or less these days. Only the newest gen phones are coming with 2GB.
Honestly though, the camera on this thing is such a POS that I've got my name down for a DROID DNA at my store, which will be in before my first two weeks with the RAZR HD are up and will be a no-cost transfer.

The DNA storage is what turned me off to it... I don't understand why they are still designing phones like that.

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The DNA storage is what turned me off to it... I don't understand why they are still designing phones like that.
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It was the tiny, inexcusably small battery that turned me off to it. Storage ran a close second though. I need at LEAST 32GB of storage, 16GB doesn't cut it. Storage was the biggest reason I was turned off to the Nexus 4 and wasn't willing to sacrifice my unlimited Verizon data contract. Though, if LG/Google eventually make a 32GB N4, and resolve those overheating problems in the SoC, I'll give it another look in a few months.
Edit - I should say I that I bought a Razr HD Maxx myself for the battery life. My previous phone, a Galaxy Nexus, would get ~6hrs of light-moderage use when on mobile data. I'd unplug it in the morning, and have to juice it up before I left work. :/ The radios in the Moto also put the GNex to complete shame. My main office saw the Gnex test at 4-6MBs down, the Moto pulls 10-13MB in the same area. At one of our Co-Lo facilities, the Gnex would pull a speck of 3G. The Moto not only gets an LTE signal, it pulls ~9MBs down. Thats impressive.

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I am seriously considering the Droid RAZR HD. My main question is about the RAM. Is 1gb going to be enough for the phone to perform well over the next 20 months? I'm worried this will be a major hindrance. I love everything about this phone except its already a generation behind...no S4 pro and no 2 gb RAM.
That is the main reason I'd consider the note 2 or gs3.
I have had Windows Phone for a while now due to bad android experiences at first, so I want to avoid slowness, lags, etc. I'm giving Android one more chance.
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This is my concern as well. I'm of course picking up the RAZR HD or RAZR MAXX HD on Friday. I think it might be sufficient enough especially if you're going to root and we eventually get cm10 on this device which should be marvelous. Phonedog FINALLY did his RAZR HD vs S3 video. Quadrant scores showed the HD beating the S3 and its not even on Jelly Bean yet. Awesome build, good radios, great battery life, and a close to stock android look, what more can we really ask for at the moment. I just fear getting left in the dust again when it comes to updates, I'm on the Droid X2 which a.) is old and stuck on the much retired gingerbread b.) I didn't even get a taste of android 4.0

Of course 2gb is better than 1. But for me it wasn't just about technical specs. I liked the build quality of the Razr, and I really dislike that big home button on the S3. 1gb is fairly standard, and it will be awhile before apps need that much. 1gb is also plenty for 4.1 and 4.2 (if it ever gets it). I really wanted the Nexus 4, but I am stuck on Verizon. The Razr gives me the closest thing to a Google experience.
Good luck. There are several really good devices out there.

Get the razr HD... the DNA is a joke..crappy battery with a quad core and bigger screen...that makes sense
Ram won't be a issue for the OS 1 gig is plenty for the next two years
Not to mention if u like good reception u won't find Better radios than moto..period end of story
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Talk about battery life!!!
Stock rooted x926 used TB to freeze some bloat...not a lot..and I use smart actions
Freaking love this phone
Oh ya this is the reg..NOT the maxx
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To the OP... Keeping in mind you're in a RAZR HD thread area, take all of this with a grain of salt. I'm sure if you post in the DNA forum they'll tell you you're crazy for "taking a step backwards" with the RHD. Same in a GSIII forum thread. You'll have to make the final decision for yourself, with the info you get from everywhere.
Now that being said, I wholeheartedly am in favor of the RHD over the other devices, for many of the reasons already mentioned above.
- (objective) build quality is second-to-none with Kevlar, Gorilla Glass, and aluminum bezel. Sorry, I don't like Samsung's "playskool"-built phones. I perfer a durable, adult toy.
- (objective) the battery's a monster. It's been documented enough, no need to elaborate further.
- (subjective) I prefer the styling of my RMaxxHD to any of the other phones - black, nice curves, feels good in the hand...
- (objective) storage is far superior, and when you do things like download a TON of apps, music, videos, full-length movies, pics, etc., the more memory you have the better. Also keep in mind that 8/16/32GB is NOT the formatted memory; you actually get less to play with formatted, and the ROM, whether stock or not, will take up a good chunk as well.
- (objective/subjective) the camera is not as good, though I hear 4.1 JB should fix some of the problems? I don't take a ton of pics so I don't care about the camera.
- (fact - as of the timing of this posting) speaking of updates, these phones are slated to get the 4.2 JB update, though it's scheduled for 4Q2013 and we haven't even received the 4.1 JB yet... I do think we'll eventually get the 4.2 JB update, considering there is still support for the Droid 4 (which seems like an abacus these days it's so old, technologically speaking) and it's scheduled to get 4.1. No one knows for sure until it happens though.
- (objective/subjective) though 1GB RAM is much less than 2GB RAM, I haven't found myself saying "self, I wish I had more RAM in this phone..." My laptop uses 1GB RAM still (yeah, it's a bit of a dinosaur) and it still muscles through every task like a champ. And believe me, I put it to work. 1GB should be plenty for your needs.
- (objective/subjective) the screens are roughly the same size (4.7, 4.8, 5.0) and have roughly the same quality. The RHD is considered the "worst" of the three, but I dare ANYONE to look at the three screens and really honestly tell me you see a difference. I've stared at the GSIII and RHD screens, they look identical to me. 318ppi (pixels per inch) vs. 313ppi... yeah, you're gonna see that difference, right. Stop lying. On just the RHD screen itself, it's light years ahead of previous screens I've had on phones. I still tell people how vibrant it looks.
- (objective) the radios are as equally superior as the build quality. I would bet money I could get a signal on the moon (ok, maybe that's an exaggeration, but I haven't found anywhere that I haven't had a 4G signal, including places I barely got a 3G signal on my Ally and Incredible).
Good luck with your decision. And good luck with your buyer's remorse if you choose anything other than the RAZR HD/Maxx

I refuse to fall for HTC again. I have had nothing but bad luck with all of their phones.
I also refuse to put a case on my phone..it makes it too thick. I drop my phones a lot and none have ever broken, I feel like Samsung phones break easily.
I am just nervous about Android buut hopefully it has matured to where not everything lags...and hopefully apps no longer look like they came from Windows 95. I think I'll go for the razor... wish me luck!
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Moto X vs Nexus 5

I have been absolutely loving the Moto X for the last month. The battery longevity, ergonomics (size and shape), active notifications / unlock from screen, Moto assist, and Motorola Connect are my top reasons for keeping this phone. I know the Nexus 5 just released today and I am wondering if any of you guys are going to switch over to it. I don't think I will, but want to see what all you others think. Please provide reasoning and add your vote to the poll. Thanks.

I ordered my 32gb black N5 the very second it went live. I have no intention of ditching the Moto X for it, but want to have it to tinker with. The Moto X is pretty much perfect in every way (for now) so I can't really see myself liking the Nexus 5 any more. But, the bigger screen and 4.4 have me wanting it so I bought it. I'll probably use my Moto X as a weekday/work phone and the Nexus 5 as my weekend/play phone.

I think my decision depends on how quickly they get Kitkat out on the Moto X. Punit Soni hinted it was coming soon so I'll bide my time.

I'll be staying with the X. The n5 looks nice but after getting used to the perfect size of the x, I'm not interested in going back to a bigger device.
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capathy21 said:
I'll be staying with the X. The n5 looks nice but after getting used to the perfect size of the x, I'm not interested in going back to a bigger device.
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In other words, you are trying to be the supply issue
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murso74 said:
In other words, you are trying to be the supply issue
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I don't follow?
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mentose457 said:
Do you have a problem with me purchasing the N5 just to sell?
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I'd think you were scum if you were profiteering from flood victims, but it is just a phone. Anyone stupid enough to buy from you deserves what they get.
Anyhow, not interested in the N5 as I want a one-handed friendly form factor, and active display is a killer feature for me.

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I'd think you were scum if you were profiteering from flood victims, but it is just a phone. Anyone stupid enough to buy from you deserves what they get.
Anyhow, not interested in the N5 as I want a one-handed friendly form factor, and active display is a killer feature for me.
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That's usually how i feel about those people too. My plan is to sell it if people are dumb enough to buy it for an exaggerated price. If not, I love phones and ill keep it.

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That's usually how i feel about those people too. My plan is to sell it if people are dumb enough to buy it for an exaggerated price. If not, I love phones and ill keep it.
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There is nothing wrong with this, I dont do it myself, but it happens in every market that is dictated by s&d... Whether it's phones, concert tickets, consoles etc... It's part of how Capitalism works. If someone us stupid enough to buy something for more than its market value, then more power to the seller. Look at the iPhone! Every year people buy tens of thousands just to resell at higher prices. I think it's stupid and foolish! But from the buyers perspective, not the sellers.
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I use to want to flash my phone all the time, get a new ROM here and there. It originally started with wiping the phone every new flash. It started becoming a lengthy process to restore my apps and data that I use daily and things for work. So I started doing dirty flashes, then the ROMs would sometimes require a fresh flash due to instability.
With the MotoX that has all went away. I got 4.2.2 (I didn't see alot to 4.3 for my daily use) and still have root and system right access after the camera update. My phone is completely stable, and I get all the features I mainly use from ROMs using things like Xposed. (I still cant get the volume track control working, which I really use alot) and the phone is rock stable and doesn't require me to mess with kernels or tweak it with each new rom and build to get it right.
Now that I see 4.4 is coming and PwnMyMoto2 may be coming (no idea what it will do) I am sure I will stay with my Moto X. The Nexus 5 is great but I would be so tempted to ROM it and loosing Active Display would suck.
So for my playing needs I have my recently purchased Nexus 7 (2013) which I get to mess with all the time and no worries if it crashes or isn't stable.
TLDR: The Moto X is a solid performer and stable as hell for me and has cured my crack flashing cravings and shown me how a simple reliable phone can be perfect!

BrokenWall said:
I use to want to flash my phone all the time, get a new ROM here and there. It originally started with wiping the phone every new flash. It started becoming a lengthy process to restore my apps and data that I use daily and things for work. So I started doing dirty flashes, then the ROMs would sometimes require a fresh flash due to instability.
With the MotoX that has all went away. I got 4.2.2 (I didn't see alot to 4.3 for my daily use) and still have root and system right access after the camera update. My phone is completely stable, and I get all the features I mainly use from ROMs using things like Xposed. (I still cant get the volume track control working, which I really use alot) and the phone is rock stable and doesn't require me to mess with kernels or tweak it with each new rom and build to get it right.
Now that I see 4.4 is coming and PwnMyMoto2 may be coming (no idea what it will do) I am sure I will stay with my Moto X. The Nexus 5 is great but I would be so tempted to ROM it and loosing Active Display would suck.
So for my playing needs I have my recently purchased Nexus 7 (2013) which I get to mess with all the time and no worries if it crashes or isn't stable.
TLDR: The Moto X is a solid performer and stable as hell for me and has cured my crack flashing cravings and shown me how a simple reliable phone can be perfect!
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My only worry is the longevity of the dual-core processor. It's great now, but what about after a couple of OS updates? The N5 will certainly hold up better than the Moto X in terms of longevity -- but I'm finding it hard to justify ditching the great form factor and convenience of Active Display/Touchless Control for better specs. I'm loving my Moto X and will not be ditching it for the way-too-big N5!
Also, it sounds like Kitkat will be coming out for the Moto X in a reasonable time. Motorola has already announced the phones that will be getting it and it seems a few insides on XDA are saying it'll be out soon. Here's to hoping service providers don't hold up that process too much.

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My only worry is the longevity of the dual-core processor. It's great now, but what about after a couple of OS updates? The N5 will certainly hold up better than the Moto X in terms of longevity -- but I'm finding it hard to justify ditching the great form factor and convenience of Active Display/Touchless Control for better specs. I'm loving my Moto X and will not be ditching it for the way-too-big N5!
Also, it sounds like Kitkat will be coming out for the Moto X in a reasonable time. Motorola has already announced the phones that will be getting it and it seems a few insides on XDA are saying it'll be out soon. Here's to hoping service providers don't hold up that process too much.
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The dual core CPU on this phone is technically quick because it is able to perform its duties at higher efficiency. There was an article from Anandtech talking about why Apple iPhone 5s is still a Dualcore.
I always thought the transition from 2 to 4 cores happened quicker in mobile than I had expected. Thankfully there are some well threaded apps that have been able to take advantage of more than two cores and power gating keeps the negative impact of the additional cores down to a minimum. As we saw in our Moto X review however, two faster cores are still better for most uses than four cores running at lower frequencies. NVIDIA forced everyone’s hand in moving to 4 cores earlier than they would’ve liked, and now you pretty much can’t get away with shipping anything less than that in an Android handset. Even Motorola felt necessary to obfuscate core count with its X8 mobile computing system. Markets like China seem to also demand more cores over better ones, which is why we see such a proliferation of quad-core Cortex A5/A7 designs. Apple has traditionally been sensible in this regard, even dating back to core count decisions in its Macs. I remembering reviewing an old iMac and pitting it against a Dell XPS One at the time. This was in the pre-power gating/turbo days. Dell went the route of more cores, while Apple chose for fewer, faster ones. It also put the CPU savings into a better GPU. You can guess which system ended out ahead.
In such a thermally constrained environment, going quad-core only makes sense if you can properly power gate/turbo up when some cores are idle. I have yet to see any mobile SoC vendor (with the exception of Intel with Bay Trail) do this properly, so until we hit that point the optimal target is likely two cores. You only need to look back at the evolution of the PC to come to the same conclusion. Before the arrival of Nehalem and Lynnfield, you always had to make a tradeoff between fewer faster cores and more of them. Gaming systems (and most users) tended to opt for the former, while those doing heavy multitasking went with the latter. Once we got architectures with good turbo, the 2 vs 4 discussion became one of cost and nothing more. I expect we’ll follow the same path in mobile.
Then there’s the frequency discussion. Brian and I have long been hinting at the sort of ridiculous frequency/voltage combinations mobile SoC vendors have been shipping at for nothing more than marketing purposes. I remember ARM telling me the ideal target for a Cortex A15 core in a smartphone was 1.2GHz. Samsung’s Exynos 5410 stuck four Cortex A15s in a phone with a max clock of 1.6GHz. The 5420 increases that to 1.7GHz. The problem with frequency scaling alone is that it typically comes at the price of higher voltage. There’s a quadratic relationship between voltage and power consumption, so it’s quite possibly one of the worst ways to get more performance. Brian even tweeted an image showing the frequency/voltage curve for a high-end mobile SoC. Note the huge increase in voltage required to deliver what amounts to another 100MHz in frequency.
The combination of both of these things gives us a basis for why Apple settled on two Swift cores running at 1.3GHz in the A6, and it’s also why the A7 comes with two cores running at the same max frequency. Interestingly enough, this is the same max non-turbo frequency Intel settled at for Bay Trail. Given a faster process (and turbo), I would expect to see Apple push higher frequencies but without those things, remaining conservative makes sense. I verified frequency through a combination of reporting tools and benchmarks. While it’s possible that I’m wrong, everything I’ve run on the device (both public and not) points to a 1.3GHz max frequency.
Verifying core count is a bit easier. Many benchmarks report core count, I also have some internal tools that do the same - all agreed on the same 2 cores/2 threads conclusion. Geekbench 3 breaks out both single and multithreaded performance results. I checked with the developer to ensure that the number of threads isn’t hard coded. The benchmark queries the max number of logical CPUs before spawning that number of threads. Looking at the ratio of single to multithreaded performance on the iPhone 5s, it’s safe to say that we’re dealing with a dual-core part.
Quoted from: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/2
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I quoted due to the way it is worded. We saw these same issues with Desktops when we started moving to Quadcores. In most usage scenarios it was better to have fast dual core CPUs than to have quad core CPUs. It took some time for things to catch up and get to the point where the move made sense.

xmai77 said:
My only worry is the longevity of the dual-core processor. It's great now, but what about after a couple of OS updates? The N5 will certainly hold up better than the Moto X in terms of longevity -- but I'm finding it hard to justify ditching the great form factor and convenience of Active Display/Touchless Control for better specs. I'm loving my Moto X and will not be ditching it for the way-too-big N5!
Also, it sounds like Kitkat will be coming out for the Moto X in a reasonable time. Motorola has already announced the phones that will be getting it and it seems a few insides on XDA are saying it'll be out soon. Here's to hoping service providers don't hold up that process too much.
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Keep in mind they made some big advances in memory management and efficiency within Android 4.4, ensuring that Kit Kat can run even on devices with 512 MB of RAM. My guess is, that may have actually lowered the load placed on our dual-core Snapdragon 600 (it is that, right?).
In addition, you can bet Motorola will do whatever it needs to in terms of optimizing code in order to ensure that Kit Kat runs chocolately smooth on our devices.

Samurai Drac said:
Keep in mind they made some big advances in memory management and efficiency within Android 4.4, ensuring that Kit Kat can run even on devices with 512 MB of RAM. My guess is, that may have actually lowered the load placed on our dual-core Snapdragon 600 (it is that, right?).
In addition, you can bet Motorola will do whatever it needs to in terms of optimizing code in order to ensure that Kit Kat runs chocolately smooth on our devices.
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Hey, I am using an old Defy+ and its time for me to change my phone. I'm having REALLY hard time picking between the X and the N5. When looking superficially on the specs, I get this image in my head that the X is slow compared to N5 due to processor. Can I get more info about this that will help me pick a phone?

BrokenWall said:
I use to want to flash my phone all the time, get a new ROM here and there. It originally started with wiping the phone every new flash. It started becoming a lengthy process to restore my apps and data that I use daily and things for work. So I started doing dirty flashes, then the ROMs would sometimes require a fresh flash due to instability.
With the MotoX that has all went away. I got 4.2.2 (I didn't see alot to 4.3 for my daily use) and still have root and system right access after the camera update. My phone is completely stable, and I get all the features I mainly use from ROMs using things like Xposed. (I still cant get the volume track control working, which I really use alot) and the phone is rock stable and doesn't require me to mess with kernels or tweak it with each new rom and build to get it right.
Now that I see 4.4 is coming and PwnMyMoto2 may be coming (no idea what it will do) I am sure I will stay with my Moto X. The Nexus 5 is great but I would be so tempted to ROM it and loosing Active Display would suck.
So for my playing needs I have my recently purchased Nexus 7 (2013) which I get to mess with all the time and no worries if it crashes or isn't stable.
TLDR: The Moto X is a solid performer and stable as hell for me and has cured my crack flashing cravings and shown me how a simple reliable phone can be perfect!
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I was just informed that the N5, as well as other devices, will be getting touchless controls too through the Kitkat update. This brings me back to square one! On one hand, the Moto X has great functionality in a nice package while the N5 has crazy specs in an too-big-to-properly-handle package.

xmai77 said:
I was just informed that the N5, as well as other devices, will be getting touchless controls too through the Kitkat update. This brings me back to square one! One one hand, the Moto X has great functionality in a nice package while the N5 has crazy specs in an too-big-to-properly-handle package.
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The Nexus 5 is not getting complete Touchless controls. The phone is unable to wake from sleep to the sound of your command. While the phone is on it will respond to "OK, google" which is fine for most people. But the Moto X still has the edge since the co-processor is able to do more listening while the phone is completely asleep.
The Snapdragon 800 is suppose to have a low power cpu to handle these duties but it hasn't been put to the test by anyone to confirm if it will be able to do the same jobs as the extra cpus in the X8 Silicon.

Eluveitie said:
Hey, I am using an old Defy+ and its time for me to change my phone. I'm having REALLY hard time picking between the X and the N5. When looking superficially on the specs, I get this image in my head that the X is slow compared to N5 due to processor. Can I get more info about this that will help me pick a phone?
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While technically the processor is 'slower' than the Nexus 5, and the Nexus 5 has two additional cores, that doesn't mean that the Moto X doesn't have the processing power to run Android smoothly. It just means that the Nexus 5 has more power available to it should an application demand it.
Think of it this way... The Moto X is a four cylinder, 200 horsepower engine. Plenty to smoothly sail on the highway at 60 or 70 miles per hour. If you want to, you might even be able to fly by at 120 miles per hour. The Nexus 5 is a six cylinder, 400 horsepower engine. You can go up to 200 miles per hour. Either way though, most of your Android usage in a non gaming situation is going to be highway speed at 60 or 70 mph. Only when you turn on some serious mobile games or graphics intensive applications, or heavy number crunching benchmarks or pi-calculating apps, will you notice the difference in the engine horsepower between the two.

The N5 looks super sweet, but I spent more time ogling 4.4 than the N5. I mean, it's absolutely awesome (if you're not on Verizon) to get an off-contract phone for so cheap, and I'd imagine that you could buy a carrier-subsidized one for even cheaper. But 4.4's features are an even bigger selling point to me. It feels like they're adding more than they did in the past few JB updates, and all the features improve the quality of experience.
But, I'm sticking with the Moto X. Why? I just got it 48 hours ago. And I'm on Verizon. But aside from all of that, I've found that bigger phones just get easier for me to drop, and the X's combination of touchless controls and active notifications are way too good to pass up on.

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The Nexus 5 is not getting complete Touchless controls. The phone is unable to wake from sleep to the sound of your command. While the phone is on it will respond to "OK, google" which is fine for most people. But the Moto X still has the edge since the co-processor is able to do more listening while the phone is completely asleep.
The Snapdragon 800 is suppose to have a low power cpu to handle these duties but it hasn't been put to the test by anyone to confirm if it will be able to do the same jobs as the extra cpus in the X8 Silicon.
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Is that right? It won't recognize the voice commands when sleeping? I've decided to keep the Moto X but if what you say is true then that only makes me feel even better about my decision.

I have a Nexus 7 and see no reason to get a N5 to replace my Moto X.....or in general for that matter. I use my phone as a phone (yup), GPS, email, texting, pics of the kids every now and then, and minor web stuff. I found I don't need an Android update every two weeks, a quad core monster processor, or a 55 million PPI screen for anything.