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http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/...opens-network-to-any-apps-any-device-in-2008/
By the end of 2008, Verizon Wireless will open their network to any device which meets a "minimum technical standard." What that standard is, exactly, VZW isn't saying yet -- that will come in "early 2008." So any device (including applications) tested and certified in VZW's new $20 Million test lab is fair game for use on their wireless network. In other words, Verizon becomes the data pipe, and nothing more for these new "bring-your-own" customers. It's too early to say if this is a watershed moment or not. Verizon certainly thinks so with Lowell McAdam, Verizon Wireless president and chief executive officer, calling it, "a transformation point in the 20-year history of mass market wireless devices." As usual, the devil (certification fees, turnaround times for testing, those magical minimum technical standards, etc.) might be in the details.
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http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/NYTU03927112007-1.htm
My. God. The improbable will happen.
i gues they are already starting this...
this is straight from the verizon web site
Can I use an existing phone with Verizon Wireless service?
We can activate your existing phone provided it is compatible with our CDMA (Code Division Multiple Access) digital network.
Although a wireless phone may be compatible with our network, we cannot guarantee the equipment's performance nor can we honor the manufacturer's warranty on wireless phones not purchased through Verizon Wireless or its authorized agents.
If you are not sure if your handset is compatible, please call our Verizon Wireless Sales Department at 1.800.2.JOIN.IN (1.800.256.4646), or visit one of our Verizon Wireless stores.
If your handset is not compatible with our network, discounts are available on new equipment at the point of sale with a new activation.
So basically all they are saying is if you have Sprint or Alltel, you can come join VZW? I'll pass, they charge too much for data, and Sprint's is faster somehow, but VZW has better call quality.
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VZW has better call quality.
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everyone told me that when i switched from vzw to sprint, but i havent notice a difference
Do they still require 2 years contracts? Will they offer a plan that match Sprint Sero?
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Will they offer a plan that match Sprint Sero?
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That is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.
The short answer is probably not. VZW has a history of disabling inherent functions of devices just to require an additional fee to use them (ie., GPS, internet sharing, etc.)
As a longtime iPhone owner, i'm concerned over the news that iPhone is coming to Verizon. ATT was not always a crappy network. iPHone made them crappy. Pushing millions of new data users was detrimental to the network. Now we get them on the Verizon soon. I'm stuck on Verizon for 2 years so i hope this doesn't go through.
I did think i read that iphone would only come to verizon on the LTE network which would not impact us 3G users. But will verizion take bandwidth/towers away from 3G for LTE?
I got with AT&T back in 98. They kinda sucked back then too. I do think the iPhone created some saturation on the network, but I also think the increase in users made a network that sucked suck more. But what do I know?
"we have to earn it" is a quote used by Verizon Wireless' CEO.
Earning it, dissected by a few people means that Verizon has to increase the stability of their network and push out LTE faster. I don't think Verizon's network won't suffer too hard if the iPhone does get pushed.
There is a chance that by getting the iPhone, that Verizon's network will get stronger, bigger and better to be able to handle that much more data. On a side note, Android users are already consuming more data than iPhone users, and since Verizon is the largest carrier with android devices, adding the iPhone to the mix just = more customers, data consumption may differ.
If you switch to another carrier because of the iPhone, i believe you will make the wrong decision. Verizon has been behind on the 4G/LTE update only because they want to cover a lot of people and do it right. Their roadmap in 2011+ coupled with LTE is just the first step to having the ultimate mobile service at your finger tips.
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Also, the latest rumors also indicate that there could be two different versions coming out. The first one having a CDMA/LTE based chip to work right away, and then once LTE is fully established, a full 4G/LTE phone. Time will only tell, but the fact still remains that so much of this talk about the iPhone just means that it's eventually going to go there, when is the question.
AT&T has always had a relatively crappy data network, as far as reach and availability.
The launch of the iPhone created so much additional load on the network that the crappiness was exposed.
If you look at it, there were very few high data-consumption devices on AT&T before the iPhone.
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AT&T has always had a relatively crappy data network, as far as reach and availability.
The launch of the iPhone created so much additional load on the network that the crappiness was exposed.
If you look at it, there were very few high data-consumption devices on AT&T before the iPhone.
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If you look at my sig, i've had at least 4 phones on Cingular/ATT prior to iPhone.
-->HTC Wallaby (siemens SX56)
-->HTC Alpine
-->HTC BlueAngel (siemens SX66)
-->HTC Hermes TyTN(Cingular 8525)
Media Max was the fastest you could get (2G), but that was in days before Heavy Flash loaded sites. You could shoot through websites without any constraints. I also always had weather widgets, newsfeeds, and instant messaging. None ever had issues. In the same places i've lived in for the last decade, i now got dead spots for calls and data. I think ATT towers now gets taxed easily, bringing the communication down. I just don't want to see that same thing happen to Verizon, of which I've grown to love what it was once like to keep a call going clearly from where i started driving to where i ended up.
If indeed iPhone is coming to VZW and early next year, it would be just 3g not lte. I am already experiencing slow downs ever since Motorola Droid was launched.
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The AT&T / T-MOBILE Merger fell through .. YAY !!!
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The AT&T / T-MOBILE Merger fell through .. YAY !!!
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Now to get raped by at&t! Lol
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what? the xda home page says its falling apart... DOJ files against ATT
Mostly, I'm happy that the DOJ will attempt to block the merger, just on the basis that this merger will REDUCE the competition in the USA, to just AT&T, Verizon & Sprint, with a couple of smaller regional carriers left over.
On the down side, at&t "pledged" to bring around 5,000 jobs back to the USA, but, I'd take that with a grain of salt. AT&T wants this merger, because it would be cheaper to buy out t-mobile, than spend the money building out their 4G network.
AT&T is just cheap. Multi year profits, but they won't INVEST in their network.
As for the jobs coming back to the USA. They say that, but how many t-mobile jobs would be lost after a merger.
We are pretty much in the USA, held hostage now by Verizon & AT&T.
I've been with T-Mobile for over 10-years..... My monthly bill, including tax, is $67. That's 2000 minutes, free mobile-to-mobile, unlimited text / data and handset protection insurance. My wife's iPhone 4 on aTnT with 750 minutes, no insurance and limited texts is $128-something.... To make matters worse, my unlocked Streak running on T-Mobile's 2G network is usually FASTER than her iPhone on the DeathStar's "3G" network and I can't remember the last time I had a dropped call.
Having worked in PAC-fund management for many years, I wish this move by the Justice Dept. actually meant something.... I'm afraid it's just a placebo that may only lead to more detailed disclosure on aTnT's part, and a slight delay in the transaction.... but I seriously doubt the deal will be permanently stopped... We're just looking at DOJ's window dressing at the moment
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ShEEsh...... I really, REALLY hope I'm dead wrong about this.... I don't want to see my monthly bill double and get less than half the minutes and downright horrifying service from aTnT
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If the merger goes through I will probably go to Sprint or Verizon, who ever gets the iphone 5 when it comes out. I will NEVER use AT&T. I would go with MetroPCS, Boost, Virgin, a Walmart phone, a 7-eleven phone or ?? before I go to AT&T ..
I am preparing myself to hate my future phones if the merger goes through.
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If the merger goes through I will probably go to Sprint or Verizon, who ever gets the iphone 5 when it comes out. I will NEVER use AT&T. I would go with MetroPCS, Boost, Virgin, a Walmart phone, a 7-eleven phone or ?? before I go to AT&T ..
I am preparing myself to hate my future phones if the merger goes through.
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Virgin Motorola triumph is what I'll be looking at if it goes through. Decent phone and I'll save money for sure.
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I was talking to a bunch of reps who happened to be in the radio shack store at my mall one day. Man where they so pissed about this merger. It would basically put Verizon and More than any SPRINT at the hands of AT&T's power. They were telling me something along the lines that it would most likely not happen because of a monopoly through AT&T even if they kept T-Mobile separate. It has something to do with Sprint buying T-Mobiles wavebands(or something like that) and if the merger went through they would no longer be able to have 4G at the rate T-Mobile was giving them but at a higher rate through AT&T. Essentially making Sprint have to put caps on data and raise rates. I have been an AT&T customer for about 15yrs now and have had very little problems with them to be honest. Yes the occasional dropped calls but no more than others have reported on other carriers. I will stay by them for as long as I can but they are starting to look very snudy!
Might not have a choice. If (when) the merger goes through, even though they say they won't, Verizon will make a play for Sprint (CDMA) to stay "competitive".
That will leave AT&T & Verizon as pretty much, the only 2 nationwide carriers.
The "agreements" between AT&T & Verizon, and the boost/virgin/walmart will probably go away (they are just being nice right now).
AT&T has spent the last 25 years reconstituting itself and has just about achieved it's goal of putting MaBell back together. Once it happens, you think prices are high & choice is poor now, just look out.
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If the merger goes through I will probably go to Sprint or Verizon, who ever gets the iphone 5 when it comes out. I will NEVER use AT&T. I would go with MetroPCS, Boost, Virgin, a Walmart phone, a 7-eleven phone or ?? before I go to AT&T ..
I am preparing myself to hate my future phones if the merger goes through.
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Why not just boycott the mofos then..? If only the U.S. citizens could band together we could easily control them. Without demand there is no resource for supply. Without supply there is no profit. Without profit there is no "MaBell". Make a boycott petition type deal. We can always start mass blogging and twitting to get started and word of mouuth and social networking will take the rest. With a set date and a little reassurance we could beat them down and pit em in their places, our servants of cellular communication, not as our f##$ing little to nothing no good capped and limited data sum butchering butt poking bafoon looking providers.
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There's very few alternatives for GSM, At&t and tmo own the vast majority of the towers. The few towers owned by 3rd parties are regional, so unless they all have sharing agreements you'll either be roaming or using at&t or tmo's towers out of region.
Towers dont magically sprout up out of nowhere, most cell providors that arnt tmo or at&t lease airtime off them or verizon or sprint. they could literally kill all their contracts and still stay afloat by selling airtime (this is oversimplified, i honestly dont know if they can be long-term viable, but short term definitely)
The only way to get really good cell service is to be a billionare and start your own company where you can dictate terms as pretty much every carrier on the planet has it's own issues and quirks (and moving to another country for good cell service is crazy)
Online petitions are what you DONT do to get stuff done. You're literally better off not giving a damn then using online petitions. Unless you can get several dozen million esignatures it's not worth anything.
Really don't envy the GSM situation over in the states.
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A petition doesn't get things done...? You ever read how class-axtion lawsuits are started...? Lol if say 10 million people all agreed to stop paying December 1st on their bills till they are satisfied with the compensation the cell provider will offer Wed get what we wanted. If there is no demand you cannot supply. Plain old economics people. 11th grade general class....
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Signing a petition would only show a general public dislike of the proposed merger..... Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with and cannot stop capitalism run amuck.... Regardless of the DoJ's disapproval of the deal, only the FCC alone can stop the deal by refusing to reassign T-Mobile's wireless spectrum over to aTnT..... However, all aTnT needs to do is pressure Congress (through campaign contributions), to support the deal (by saying it will create 5,000 new jobs in this economic downturn)...... But everyone knows there's no law that would prohibit aTnT from laying off tens of thousands after the deal is done. As much as I HATE aTnT, this deal WILL go through, unfortunately
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I see quite a few posts about the note IMEI not being in AT&T systems and how you can get around smartphone data plans or what not....
The note IMEI is in AT&T systems, we had to because our systems for whatever reason categorized out as a tablet mistakingly and caused a lot of people to lose their data plans as they were "incorrect"
Just a heads up for anyone.
This is old news and not true anymore.
Tapatalk is good
This was fixed more than a month ago, and isn't true anymore.
Enjoy your Note!
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I see quite a few posts about the note IMEI not being in AT&T systems and how you can get around smartphone data plans or what not....
The note IMEI is in AT&T systems, we had to because our systems for whatever reason categorized out as a tablet mistakingly and caused a lot of people to lose their data plans as they were "incorrect"
Just a heads up for anyone.
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Our IMEI's are not in AT&T's system. What had happened is that some of our Note's (not all) happened to coincide with an erroneously entered range of IMEI's in AT&T's database. It was down to human error.
I work for AT&T And I talk to note users and it shows up as the n7000
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As an AT&T employee, I can also confirm this.
Although this has been well documented for the last couple months.
Right now the best way around it is to backup and then wipe your EFS folder.
Maroon Mushroom said:
As an AT&T employee, I can also confirm this.
Although this has been well documented for the last couple months.
Right now the best way around it is to backup and then wipe your EFS folder.
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As already mentioned above, one of the members here contacted some AT&T execs and made them aware of the problem. AT&T discovered that when entering IMEI numbers for a certain 10" galaxy tab into their database, they messed one up, transposing 2 digits. This erroneous number range just so happened to coincide with a range of Galaxy Note IMEIs. That caused some Note owners to have their device identified as a 10" galaxy tab. They have since fixed the database error, so Notes are no longer being identified as tablets.
Whether or not the proper IMEIs for international Notes are in their system, I don't know. However, when I log onto my online account management, the system doesn't recognize my phone. It shows a generic flip phone. When I go to manage features, the only data options it gives me are the dumbphone data plans; $15 for unlimited. This leads me to believe that AT&T does NOT have the international Notes' IMEIs in their system. Sure, the system may somehow be capable of telling the rep that the phone model is reported as N-7000, but the system clearly doesn't "know" that it's a smartphone.
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As already mentioned above, one of the members here contacted some AT&T execs and made them aware of the problem. AT&T discovered that when entering IMEI numbers for a certain 10" galaxy tab into their database, they messed one up, transposing 2 digits. This erroneous number range just so happened to coincide with a range of Galaxy Note IMEIs. That caused some Note owners to have their device identified as a 10" galaxy tab. They have since fixed the database error, so Notes are no longer being identified as tablets.
Whether or not the proper IMEIs for international Notes are in their system, I don't know. However, when I log onto my online account management, the system doesn't recognize my phone. It shows a generic flip phone. When I go to manage features, the only data options it gives me are the dumbphone data plans; $15 for unlimited. This leads me to believe that AT&T does NOT have the international Notes' IMEIs in their system. Sure, the system may somehow be capable of telling the rep that the phone model is reported as N-7000, but the system clearly doesn't "know" that it's a smartphone.
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And your EFS folder hasn't been wiped? When did you get your phone?
I personally experienced the issue on my own Galaxy Note just 3 weeks ago where it was showing up as a tablet.
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Whether or not the proper IMEIs for international Notes are in their system, I don't know. However, when I log onto my online account management, the system doesn't recognize my phone. It shows a generic flip phone. When I go to manage features, the only data options it gives me are the dumbphone data plans; $15 for unlimited. This leads me to believe that AT&T does NOT have the international Notes' IMEIs in their system. Sure, the system may somehow be capable of telling the rep that the phone model is reported as N-7000, but the system clearly doesn't "know" that it's a smartphone.
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You summed it up perfectly. My experience as well.
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And your EFS folder hasn't been wiped? When did you get your phone?
I personally experienced the issue on my own Galaxy Note just 3 weeks ago where it was showing up as a tablet.
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My EFS folder is virgin, untouched. I got my Note at the beginning of November.
I talked personally with an AT&T product manager about this very issue. Here was his response:
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I just spoke with our supply chain team and we figured out the issue – a digit was transposed when we loaded in a set of IMEI TAC ranges to our systems in October and this resulted in classifying a subset of Samsung Galaxy Note products erroneously. Your IMEI range was not impacted and your product will work without issue and without concern of losing your unlimited smartphone data plan experience.
To be clear, you have not actually received any “alerts” from AT&T about data plan eligibility because you have not moved your SIM card into the Samsung Galaxy Note product as of yet? You can do so without issue at this time.
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As if the imminent launch news hasn't confirmed this, despite what people think on the internet, it's not a tablet according to AT&T. No EFS trickery necessary.
Maroon Mushroom said:
As an AT&T employee, I can also confirm this.
Although this has been well documented for the last couple months.
Right now the best way around it is to backup and then wipe your EFS folder.
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Not all international IMEI's were affected. I too have an untouched /efs folder, and I haven't run into any issues. Been two weeks so far. The system does however know that I have a GT-N7000 though.
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Not all international IMEI's were affected. I too have an untouched /efs folder, and I haven't run into any issues. Been two weeks so far. The system does however know that I have a GT-N7000 though.
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AT&T knows what devices we are using. The IMEI is logged every time your phone turns on and connects to a tower. Just because OLAM may show a generic flip phone when you are using an unlocked device doesn't mean that AT&T doesn't really know what it is. They just haven't chosen to tie the two systems together for billing/tracking purposes.
There was a thread on HoFo a few years back where folks were bragging about AT&T having no clue about their unlocked unbranded smartphones while on the $15 MediaNet plan. A CSR posted the link to an AT&T/Cingular website (it was publicly available) where you input either your phone number or the IMEI and it returned exactly what device you were using. So they know.
I'm not convinced it's a huge issue for them either, beyond going after huge data users/tetherers. The percent of customers using unlocked phones on their network is likely tiny. The vast majority of cellular users in the US aren't even aware of unlocked phones and even if they were, most wouldn't pay the upfront costs to buy one. De la Vega said as much in the Engadget interview a couple of years ago. This is a problem for enthusiasts only. As much as AT&T gets maligned in the press (mostly due to the old iPhone/network issues which I'm convinced were 100% the fault of the iPhone and it's lousy "air interface"), I'm impressed that they took care of this issue with the unlocked Notes and the incorrect IMEIs so quickly. They really had no reason or incentive to do so, especially with their own version of the Note coming so quickly thereafter.
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AT&T knows what devices we are using. The IMEI is logged every time your phone turns on and connects to a tower. Just because OLAM may show a generic flip phone when you are using an unlocked device doesn't mean that AT&T doesn't really know what it is. They just haven't chosen to tie the two systems together for billing/tracking purposes.
There was a thread on HoFo a few years back where folks were bragging about AT&T having no clue about their unlocked unbranded smartphones while on the $15 MediaNet plan. A CSR posted the link to an AT&T/Cingular website (it was publicly available) where you input either your phone number or the IMEI and it returned exactly what device you were using. So they know.
I'm not convinced it's a huge issue for them either, beyond going after huge data users/tetherers. The percent of customers using unlocked phones on their network is likely tiny. The vast majority of cellular users in the US aren't even aware of unlocked phones and even if they were, most wouldn't pay the upfront costs to buy one. De la Vega said as much in the Engadget interview a couple of years ago. This is a problem for enthusiasts only. As much as AT&T gets maligned in the press (mostly due to the old iPhone/network issues which I'm convinced were 100% the fault of the iPhone and it's lousy "air interface"), I'm impressed that they took care of this issue with the unlocked Notes and the incorrect IMEIs so quickly. They really had no reason or incentive to do so, especially with their own version of the Note coming so quickly thereafter.
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Not that it affects me directly, yet, but as an unlimited data user, I really do dislike US carriers' move towards tiered data policies and throttling, at least in principle. That said, I guess I'm not really opposed to it as long as it is merely a stop-gap solution to buy them some time while they simply focus on upgrading their capacity in order to be capable of managing the ensuing tsunami of high-volume mobile data users.
I guarantee that if carriers (not just AT&T) re-introduced unlimited data access devoid of any kind of throttling and so forth, the "top 5% of data users" figure would jump significantly, especially with LTE. More and more, wireless carriers are becoming common ISP's, and voice and text features are getting less important to people as the importance of data rises in the general public.
Personally, I think the best solution for consumers would be service bought and paid for through Google or Apple or RIM or Nokia, but on carrier agnostic devices.
Think about it this way:
Imagine you buy a Google Nexus device, and rather than paying VZW, or Sprint, or AT&T, or T-Mobile for your service, you pay Google instead. Google would in turn have service agreements with the carriers, so you wouldn't have direct interaction with them anymore. And now, your phone simply connects to whatever network is providing you the best service in any particular area, whether it be any of the carriers mentioned above, or maybe even to just a WiFi hotspot, and the transition to and from all those different carriers and technologies would be totally transparent to the user. It'd be like the ultimate MNVO!
Republic of Wireless is already headed in this direction, and it would be amazing to see it gain some traction and get even bigger!
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Not that it affects me directly, yet, but as an unlimited data user, I really do dislike US carriers' move towards tiered data policies and throttling, at least in principle. That said, I guess I'm not really opposed to it as long as it is merely a stop-gap solution to buy them some time while they simply focus on upgrading their capacity in order to be capable of managing the ensuing tsunami of high-volume mobile data users.
I guarantee that if carriers (not just AT&T) re-introduced unlimited data access devoid of any kind of throttling and so forth, the "top 5% of data users" figure would jump significantly, especially with LTE. More and more, wireless carriers are becoming common ISP's, and voice and text features are getting less important to people as the importance of data rises in the general public.
Personally, I think the best solution for consumers would be service bought and paid for through Google or Apple or RIM or Nokia, but on carrier agnostic devices.
Think about it this way:
Imagine you buy a Google Nexus device, and rather than paying VZW, or Sprint, or AT&T, or T-Mobile for your service, you pay Google instead. Google would in turn have service agreements with the carriers, so you wouldn't have direct interaction with them anymore. And now, your phone simply connects to whatever network is providing you the best service in any particular area, whether it be any of the carriers mentioned above, or maybe even to just a WiFi hotspot, and the transition to and from all those different carriers and technologies would be totally transparent to the user. It'd be like the ultimate MNVO!
Republic of Wireless is already headed in this direction, and it would be amazing to see it gain some traction and get even bigger!
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I agree it would be fantastic. The US wireless carriers are deathly afraid of becoming dumb pipes. It's their own fault they haven't managed to come up with a value-added service beyond the network itself.
I think it's more likely that Google does something like buy T-Mobile and combine that network with Google's fiber optic network to get nationwide coverage. It's unlikely, but one can dream right?
So after discovering that our shiny devices indeed did have true LTE capabilities, many of us were eager to try it out. Some of you Canadians or T-mobile customers were lucky enough to be the first to access the LTE networks when they went online.
My question is directed more towards the Tmo customers, rather than international users as I am no familiar with any other county's rules or regulations.
Aren't you worried that if or when T-mobile finds out you are accessing their LTE network using this mysterious "illegal" device of yours you will get your device blacklisted? I sure would love it if they sent out some sort of warning Free T-mobile txt message or a courtesy phone call letting you know that you're a criminal, prior to the blacklist.
Has anyone encountered anything of this sort? Perhaps anyone have any information to share of this topic?
Also, anyone using only LTE throughout the day, how are the battery and signal?
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It is not illegal and im sure tmobile won't be able to do anything to stop it.
So the fact that N4s passed through the FCC without their LTE capability doesn't make the phone a bit taboo?
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So the fact that N4s passed through the FCC without their LTE capability doesn't make the phone a bit taboo?
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Nobody's sure whats the deal with n4s lte module. But its there and if you want u can use it. But you going to have to figure it out on your own or ask xda community.
I'm hoping to jump on the LTE wagon as soon as t-mobile lights up our city. I mean, to think NYC, most populated city in America, didn't get first dibs at an upgrade... This is an outrage!
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I'm hoping to jump on the LTE wagon as soon as t-mobile lights up our city. I mean, to think NYC, most populated city in America, didn't get first dibs at an upgrade... This is an outrage!
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That's cuz of they have exhausted the market there with 3g. They opened lte in markets where they have smaller base of customers but the ability to attract bigger one. I feel your pain as i am in Chicago.
You don't need a phone that's certified by T-Mobile themselves to run it on their network. T-Mobile is a cellular network provider, and has no say on what phones you can and can not use for LTE if you're paying for their service. They tell you the bands you can access with any device capable of connecting to them for a reason. This includes the Nexus 4. The Nexus 4 is 4G LTE capable, and supports T-Mobile's LTE tech. You can tell a rep. yourself that you got it working. They can't do anything about it. Its your phone and if anything, it would be illegal on their part to blacklist your device because you pay for the service, and you're not getting it in full with the device they have sold to you.
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You don't need a phone that's certified by T-Mobile themselves to run it on their network. T-Mobile is a cellular network provider, and has no say on what phones you can and can not use for LTE if you're paying for their service. They tell you the bands you can access with any device capable of connecting to them for a reason. This includes the Nexus 4. The Nexus 4 is 4G LTE capable, and supports T-Mobile's LTE tech. You can tell a rep. yourself that you got it working. They can't do anything about it. Its your phone and if anything, it would be illegal on their part to blacklist your device because you pay for the service, and you're not getting it in full with the device they have sold to you.
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If this in fact is the case, then is great news. Somehow I don't think it will settle just like that. Corporations want to sell & sell. Who's going to buy SGS4s or HTCs if we all have LTE in our phones and we are allowed to use it.
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T-mobile doesn't want you buying a new phone. They would love to have customers who bring their own phones and pay for their service. In fact that is the whole basis of their new contract free "un" carrier marketing campaign. If the Nexus 4 is capable of running on lte, although they won't provide tech support for it, there is no reason for them to proactively block it.
They don't make much off the devices they sell they make the money off the monthly contract.
Just like Comcast doesn't care what TV you have they just need you to pay that monthly bill.
T-Mobile or the FCC is not going to do a damn thing to the end users. If anyone that's going to get the pointed finger, that'll be Google.
LG and Google tried to hide the fact that the phone is LTE capable, but the OPEN SOURCE community, as gifted as they are, discovered that the device IS capable.
I also called T-Mobile pretending to be interested in buying a Note 2. I was trying to play off that I have T-Mobile's true un-throttled unlimited data currently and asked if I purchased the Note 2 if will be able to access the LTE network with no ramifications/fines/extra hidden fees and the representative said, yes, you will be able to use LTE with nothing effecting your current account.
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_says_why...able_of_running_on_lte_networks-news-5122.php
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^total horse****! I've been using LTE on my N4 since day one of the roll-out and my monthly bill hasn't changed a cent.
Thank you all for the input. You've clarified things for me quite a bit
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