Note 1 vs. Note 2 vs. S3 "SPPI" Comparison

Note 1 vs. Note 2 vs. S3 "SPPI" Comparison - Galaxy Note II General

So before I post this i'd just like to say this is my 1st post, and because of that I was not able to share links to the websites that I wanted to. So if you would like to visit the websites that I point to where I have only quotes with no links, just Google "oled-info note 2 display" and the first website to come up should be where I posted essentially the same thing and you can see the websites I am pointing to. Thanks!
Ok so all of the talk on different articles and forums about the Note 2's display about it not being a pentile, but also not being the SAMOLED+ with the typical RGB stripe got me thinking. Before the pentile discussion began to get heated all over the web, everyone was concerned about their phones' PPI. But obviously once the pentile displays came out and veered away from the typical RGB stripe (maybe there have been other display types b4 the pentile but that’s kind of irrelevant to the point I am going to make) there became a whole ‘nother thing to consider when it came to display clarity. IMHO this clarity comes down to the smallest part that makes up the picture, and that, for all intents and purposes, is the sub-pixel, not the pixel itself.
Now personally when the Note 2 was 1st announced I was pissed that Samsung decided to make the screen bigger and lower the pixel count because I currently have the S3 with Sprint and for me personally, the bigger the screen the better because I use my phone for TV and movies all the time. Now I understood that they wanted to have a 16:9 aspect ratio, but then why not just increase the horizontal, or both, resolution, not decrease the vertical! Especially since it was not a SAMOLED+, but just a regular SAMOLED which obviously meant another pentile right? But then I started reading into the screen and found out that even though it does not follow the typical RGB stripe, it does in fact have all 3 red, green & blue sub-pixels in each pixel instead of sharing pixels like the pentile does, which is shown very clearly in this picture:"".
So this got me curious because as I stated before, at least to my eyes, the sub-pixel count seems to have a greater affect on image quality than just the pixel count itself, which to me was proven when I got my Sprint Galaxy S2 and even though it had the same number of pixels with a .52" larger screen than my original Galaxy S, the screen clarity on my S2 was noticeably better which, if you dont consider the sub-pixel difference, should not be true. So I decided to do a comparison between what I am going to call the "SPPI" (Sub-Pixels Per Inch) of the original Note, the S3, and the Note 2 as I own a S3 and as much as I would love to have a larger screen, I really would not be happy with the huge loss of quality that would normally come when you stretch the same amount of pixels by .7" as the S2 has a 4.8" screen and the Note 2's display is 5.5", and what I found out really surprised me.
So here's the math of how I got to my conclusions. 1st of all according to the information from Samsung that can be found here: "" the sub-pixel count on the SAMOLED WVGA screen is 768,000 and for the SAMOLED+ WVGA screen it is 1,152,000. Now a WVGA screen is 800x480, which comes to 384,000 total pixels, the Note 1 is 1280x800 which = 1,024,000 and the S3 and Note 2 both are 1280x720 equaling 921,600. Now at this point I needed to figure out the number of sub-pixels on each phone by doing a simple algebraic comparison of the number of pixels to sub-pixels between the WVGA screen and each one of the other phones, which is done here:
Note 1: 384,000/768,000=1,024,000/x and x = 2,048,000 sub-pixels
Galaxy S3: 384,000/768,000=921,600/x and x = 1,843,200 sub-pixels
Note 2: 384,000/1,152,000=921,600/x and x= 2,764,800 sub-pixels
Now at his point I needed to take the aspect ratio of each phone, which is 16:10 for the 1st Note and 16:9 for the other 2 phones, and use the formula on this website to get the horizontal and vertical “sub-pixel resolution”: "". In doing this I came up with the following resolutions:
Note 1: 1,810 x 1,131
Galaxy S3: 1,810 x 1,018
Note 2: 2,217 x 1,247
I then put that information in with the screen sizes in this website: "" and came up with the following “SPPI” results:
Note 1: 402.7 “SPPI”
Galaxy S3: 432.6 “SPPI”
Note 2: 462.5 “SPPI”
So in a similar scenario as the Galaxy S vs. S2 screen clarity comparison, as long as my calculations are correct, theoretically not only should the Note 2 have a better clarity than the original one despite having a larger screen and lower resolution, it should also be clearer than the Galaxy S3! I have to say I was shocked at that and very much look forward to actually holding one in my hand to compare against my S3. I’d like to hear some opinions as to whether in general people agree or disagree with what I came up with here and for anyone that has held the S3 and Note 2 side by side if these calculations hold up in the real world.
Thanks!
-Brian
**Quick edit: as someone on a different site pointed out to me, the screen size on the Note 2 is actually 5.55", not 5.5". So according to the members.ping.de dpi/ppi calculator that I used for this calculation, the "SPPI" for that device would actually be 458.3. Not that it really makes any difference, but if I'm gonna do all this work I might as well do it right

In the words of Mythbusters.... "myth, plausible" lol
Swyped from my finger to your face, on my Samsung Galaxy Note.

What you say it's completely true... What you call sub pixel its just a diode led... So adding more leds per pixel gives you better quality.. Indeed the pixels are Rgb and not pentile as someone will try to say here... Does not matters how are they arranged a red/green/blue pixel its an Rgb pixel... That said your math are to complicated and it's easier..
It's 1280x720 =921600 pixels note 2
For Rgb its 921600x3= 2764800 sub pixels or leds but distributed in 921600 leds of each color
It's 1280x800 = 1024000 pixels note 1
For pentile its 1024000x2=2048000 sub pixels or leds because it's 2 leds per pixel distributed in 2048000x¼ red + 2048000x¼ blue + 2048000x ½green
So clearly Rgb arrangement has way more leds than pentile arrangements and finally as easy as
2764800÷5.55=498162 leds per inch in the Rgb arrangement and
2048000÷5.3=386415 leds per inch in the pentile arrangement
So that's why note 2 screen its way better than note 1 screen
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This makes me even more excited to get my hands on one
How would it compare to the Galaxy nexus screen though?
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Balsta said:
This makes me even more excited to get my hands on one
How would it compare to the Galaxy nexus screen though?
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Because the S3 and Nexus are both pentile displays with a 1280x720 res, they both have 1,843,200 sub-pixels and if u put that into the same ppi calculator as I used b4, inputting the same horizontal and vertical resolutions and just changing the screen size to 4.65", it comes out to 446.6 "SPPI" which is still less than the note 2

c'est bien ça.

How many sspi does my so old galaxy s have?
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Awesome read
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Not bothered.
Will you honestly notice the difference? At a glance I doubt it very much. If you are in a dark room and staring at it for long periods I'd start thinking about the refresh rate than the pxl density what is the refresh on all of these anyway?

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How many sspi does my so old galaxy s have?
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The original Galaxy S has a total of 768,000 sub-pixels and an aspect ratio of 5:3, making the number of horizontal & vertical sub-pixels 1,131x679 on a 4" screen which once again according to members.ping.de ppi/dpi calculator the "SPPI" would be 329.8. So the difference between that and the Note 2 should be pretty significant!

briang8510 said:
So before I post this i'd just like to say this is my 1st post, and because of that I was not able to share links to the websites that I wanted to. So if you would like to visit the websites that I point to where I have only quotes with no links, just Google "oled-info note 2 display" and the first website to come up should be where I posted essentially the same thing and you can see the websites I am pointing to. Thanks!
Ok so all of the talk on different articles and forums about the Note 2's display about it not being a pentile, but also not being the SAMOLED+ with the typical RGB stripe got me thinking. Before the pentile discussion began to get heated all over the web, everyone was concerned about their phones' PPI. But obviously once the pentile displays came out and veered away from the typical RGB stripe (maybe there have been other display types b4 the pentile but that’s kind of irrelevant to the point I am going to make) there became a whole ‘nother thing to consider when it came to display clarity. IMHO this clarity comes down to the smallest part that makes up the picture, and that, for all intents and purposes, is the sub-pixel, not the pixel itself.
Now personally when the Note 2 was 1st announced I was pissed that Samsung decided to make the screen bigger and lower the pixel count because I currently have the S3 with Sprint and for me personally, the bigger the screen the better because I use my phone for TV and movies all the time. Now I understood that they wanted to have a 16:9 aspect ratio, but then why not just increase the horizontal, or both, resolution, not decrease the vertical! Especially since it was not a SAMOLED+, but just a regular SAMOLED which obviously meant another pentile right? But then I started reading into the screen and found out that even though it does not follow the typical RGB stripe, it does in fact have all 3 red, green & blue sub-pixels in each pixel instead of sharing pixels like the pentile does, which is shown very clearly in this picture:"".
So this got me curious because as I stated before, at least to my eyes, the sub-pixel count seems to have a greater affect on image quality than just the pixel count itself, which to me was proven when I got my Sprint Galaxy S2 and even though it had the same number of pixels with a .52" larger screen than my original Galaxy S, the screen clarity on my S2 was noticeably better which, if you dont consider the sub-pixel difference, should not be true. So I decided to do a comparison between what I am going to call the "SPPI" (Sub-Pixels Per Inch) of the original Note, the S3, and the Note 2 as I own a S3 and as much as I would love to have a larger screen, I really would not be happy with the huge loss of quality that would normally come when you stretch the same amount of pixels by .7" as the S2 has a 4.8" screen and the Note 2's display is 5.5", and what I found out really surprised me.
So here's the math of how I got to my conclusions. 1st of all according to the information from Samsung that can be found here: "" the sub-pixel count on the SAMOLED WVGA screen is 768,000 and for the SAMOLED+ WVGA screen it is 1,152,000. Now a WVGA screen is 800x480, which comes to 384,000 total pixels, the Note 1 is 1280x800 which = 1,024,000 and the S3 and Note 2 both are 1280x720 equaling 921,600. Now at this point I needed to figure out the number of sub-pixels on each phone by doing a simple algebraic comparison of the number of pixels to sub-pixels between the WVGA screen and each one of the other phones, which is done here:
Note 1: 384,000/768,000=1,024,000/x and x = 2,048,000 sub-pixels
Galaxy S3: 384,000/768,000=921,600/x and x = 1,843,200 sub-pixels
Note 2: 384,000/1,152,000=921,600/x and x= 2,764,800 sub-pixels
Now at his point I needed to take the aspect ratio of each phone, which is 16:10 for the 1st Note and 16:9 for the other 2 phones, and use the formula on this website to get the horizontal and vertical “sub-pixel resolution”: "". In doing this I came up with the following resolutions:
Note 1: 1,810 x 1,131
Galaxy S3: 1,810 x 1,018
Note 2: 2,217 x 1,247
I then put that information in with the screen sizes in this website: "" and came up with the following “SPPI” results:
Note 1: 402.7 “SPPI”
Galaxy S3: 432.6 “SPPI”
Note 2: 462.5 “SPPI”
So in a similar scenario as the Galaxy S vs. S2 screen clarity comparison, as long as my calculations are correct, theoretically not only should the Note 2 have a better clarity than the original one despite having a larger screen and lower resolution, it should also be clearer than the Galaxy S3! I have to say I was shocked at that and very much look forward to actually holding one in my hand to compare against my S3. I’d like to hear some opinions as to whether in general people agree or disagree with what I came up with here and for anyone that has held the S3 and Note 2 side by side if these calculations hold up in the real world.
Thanks!
-Brian
**Quick edit: as someone on a different site pointed out to me, the screen size on the Note 2 is actually 5.55", not 5.5". So according to the members.ping.de dpi/ppi calculator that I used for this calculation, the "SPPI" for that device would actually be 458.3. Not that it really makes any difference, but if I'm gonna do all this work I might as well do it right
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i calculated this back in august:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30908958#post30908958
tml1504 said:
right, pentile is not limited to RGBG
BUT: as the pics from verve showed it looks like we get a real RGB matrix (not the regular stripe, but still RGB)!
for us this means that the note 2 will have 50% (2x1,5=3) more subpixels (actually lesser because of the lesser resolution, see calc afterwards), and due to this fact it's almost sure that the "disadvantage" (in terms of DPI) of having a slightly bigger screen will be overcompensated by this fact!
some maths:
note 1: 1.280x800x2 = 2.048.000 subpixels
note 2: 1280x720x3= 2.764.800 subpixels
in total this is an increase of exactly 35% in terms of subpixels!
additionally the manufacturing quality of OLED screens from samsung increased during the last year, so i guess that at least the screen will be a real improvement! and i tend to say that 2gb ram will also make a feel-able difference!
don't get me wrong, i'm also a little bit disappointed about the specs,
but over all they are worth upgrading, at least from my point of view!
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TML1504 said:
i calculated this back in august:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30908958#post30908958
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My apologies, I would have given you credit for finding out the total number of sub-pixels for those 2 phones in my post if I had seen it. It would have eliminated the need for me to have to figure it out to get to my conclusion. But I was more looking to find how many sub-pixels per inch there were more so than just how many total because I feel like having that allows for a good mental idea of how the screen clarity will compare to peoples' current phones. For example I have the S3 right now so I wanted to do this comparison so I could have some idea of whether or not the clarity will be comparable to that phone since it has a .75" smaller screen with the same resolution. Come to find out that theoretically it should be better and. Thats more why I created this post.. Once again though I apologize for not giving you credit where deserved

What about HTC ONE X? I am afraid of changing HOX for Note2 because the screen of HOX is perfect

Castellano2 said:
What about HTC ONE X? I am afraid of changing HOX for Note2 because the screen of HOX is perfect
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Well before I give you the figure I have to say first that all the screens I have been comparing so far have been Super AMOLED screens. And organic LED screens are VERY different than regular IPS LCD screens. I actually owned a HTC ONE X for a little while because I didn't want to have another pentile display because I was worried that the S3 would look kind of grainy like the original Galaxy S. So I upgraded from the S2 to the One X and within 2 days I couldn't take it and returned it for an S3(which ended up looking amazing). But when I had the HTC I even missed the 800x480 display on my S2, and that's because even though the One X has a VERY clear screen as far as not having any pixelation, the LED screens on the Samsung, IMHO, blow away the LCDs on One X. The blacks are actually totally black, not just dark gray lol, the colors are sooo much brighter and saturated because the contrast ratio is technically infinite as compared to I believe 1400:1 on the One X. So compared to the S3 the colors just look washed out. Now there are some people out there who don't like the colors being so intense, but I believe that it just makes everything you watch on your phone just so much more enjoyable. And as I said not everyone agrees but if you never used an S3, go to the store and put your phone side by side and you will notice a TINY bit more pixelation (I mean your nose basically has to be touching the phone lol) but MUCH brighter colors and MUCH deeper blacks. And because of the difference of how the LED screens display as compared to the LCDs just the numbers really aren't going to tell the whole story. So I would STRONGLY recommend not letting the numbers deter you from at least checking the Note 2 out in person. (If you couldn't tell by now I'm a strong advocate of Samsung's LED screens lol, but for good reason) So after that long-winded speech the simple answer is the One X has a "SPPI" of 541.2 lol

S3 #1

hell ya, i just wan the new Note 2...
but will it be Kernel Brick-free?... zzzz.....
btw the screen should be awesome... long live Super Amoled

Very interesting information.
Just want to get my hands on the Note 2!

I was only disappointed by the screen resolution But this thread changed my mind, might switch to note 2 from S2, I still think the screen is big but the S-Pen and it's features are too much attractive :silly:

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briang8510 said:
My apologies, I would have given you credit for finding out the total number of sub-pixels for those 2 phones in my post if I had seen it. It would have eliminated the need for me to have to figure it out to get to my conclusion. But I was more looking to find how many sub-pixels per inch there were more so than just how many total because I feel like having that allows for a good mental idea of how the screen clarity will compare to peoples' current phones. For example I have the S3 right now so I wanted to do this comparison so I could have some idea of whether or not the clarity will be comparable to that phone since it has a .75" smaller screen with the same resolution. Come to find out that theoretically it should be better and. Thats more why I created this post.. Once again though I apologize for not giving you credit where deserved
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no probs, i just wanted to tell you...
briang8510 said:
Well before I give you the figure I have to say first that all the screens I have been comparing so far have been Super AMOLED screens. And organic LED screens are VERY different than regular IPS LCD screens. I actually owned a HTC ONE X for a little while because I didn't want to have another pentile display because I was worried that the S3 would look kind of grainy like the original Galaxy S. So I upgraded from the S2 to the One X and within 2 days I couldn't take it and returned it for an S3(which ended up looking amazing). But when I had the HTC I even missed the 800x480 display on my S2, and that's because even though the One X has a VERY clear screen as far as not having any pixelation, the LED screens on the Samsung, IMHO, blow away the LCDs on One X. The blacks are actually totally black, not just dark gray lol, the colors are sooo much brighter and saturated because the contrast ratio is technically infinite as compared to I believe 1400:1 on the One X. So compared to the S3 the colors just look washed out. Now there are some people out there who don't like the colors being so intense, but I believe that it just makes everything you watch on your phone just so much more enjoyable. And as I said not everyone agrees but if you never used an S3, go to the store and put your phone side by side and you will notice a TINY bit more pixelation (I mean your nose basically has to be touching the phone lol) but MUCH brighter colors and MUCH deeper blacks. And because of the difference of how the LED screens display as compared to the LCDs just the numbers really aren't going to tell the whole story. So I would STRONGLY recommend not letting the numbers deter you from at least checking the Note 2 out in person. (If you couldn't tell by now I'm a strong advocate of Samsung's LED screens lol, but for good reason) So after that long-winded speech the simple answer is the One X has a "SPPI" of 541.2 lol
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another thing:
i'm with you that amoled is superb to lcd,
but few things about their disadvantages:
possible burn-ins
much more energy consumption as most people think
almost all displays have some tint (mostly yellowish or blueish), due to
big production (quality) differences between screens (had to cherry-pick my perfect one out of over ten (!) devices), there are a lot of threads about this. in short: screens from the middle of the 'wafer' are best, the more from the off-center your screen got cut out the more tint and uneveness you would have). this is due to the 'old' lithography process used, the new one (hope they used it with note 2 screens) with fine metal masks and perhaps lasers should improve this dramatically!
litte oversaturated, almost ever a not so good low grey level seperation (and often a bad gamma or mdnie factory calibration as well), search for gamma.png and or 'black crush' where low greys got cut-off
about contrast:
technically impossible to be oo!
black is NOT 100% black, as every (!) active oled screen emits a very small amount of light when active! also lots of threads regarding that, try it out: go into a totaly dark environment, display a black image and,VERY IMPORTANT, let your eyes accomodate for 1min! then look at the screen also with this method you will notice the uneveness and lithography projected dirt (dust) particles as with a microscope!
don't get me wrong, i love my amoled screen and i do not want to sound like a teacher!
but one has to be aware about this things as well...
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[Q] galaxy tab 7.7 vs galaxy note screen comparision

Hey guys i have a request for those who have both galaxy tab 7.7 and galaxy note to upload a video comarision between galaxy tab 7.7 and note both at MAXIMUM BRIGHTNESS.
I have been searching this from months but never got a proper solution
I am in a dilemma between tab 7.7 and note.According to me a mobile device's most important part is its screen and i love samoled screens.I heard that the colour gamut is more poping on samoled plus than samoled hd, thats why i cant decide to buy which one.so plz put some light on my problem.
thanks in advance.. .. ..

Both look good. I have the note and the 7.7.
The colors are really popping on both, especially deep greens and blue.
Whilst the Note does have a pentile display, the higher dpi allows even text to remain solid with very little blurriness.
More important than screen when selecting between the two is that each fills a very specific niche. 7.7 is a very portable tablet with the phone function as a bonus. Note is a phone with the tablet function as a bonus. Which is more important to you?
To be honest, the 7.7 is a lousy phone. The Note is a lousy tablet.

thankx for your guideance
but when i compared my wave s8500 with the galaxy s2,i found that the colours on gs2 are warmer and a bit more poping but the brightness on my s8500 was a bit low.Is this same for note and tab 7.7 ?

also have both devices,
for me it was WAY harder to get an acceptable note screen (swapped almost 15 times) as to get a decent 7.7 (second device)! there are huge threads about the display problems of both devices, i suggest you at least take a short look at them!

the 7.7 has a much better screen i had an international unlocked note but sold it as soon as i bought the 7.7 i dont think anyone who has owned both will tell you the note has a better screen

I dont have the note anymore as i sold it in favor of the 7.7 . Because the note have a smaller screen it will definitely have a more sharper picture because of its higher dpi even if it has an inferior pentile screen but the 7.7 also have a very pleasing screen.
One solution to even increase the tabs brightness and saturation is to go to settings - screen - mode and select dynamic color. You will see the the screens will become even more vivid with more pronounced color.

One of the few things about the 7.7 screen is that:
There is a slight greenish tint when viewing a white screen off angle.
Flesh tones, light tan have a color shift when viewing off angle (probably the green again).
Otherwise, no dead pixels, burned in images, streaks or other defects.
If anything, I can't get the screen dim enough indoors, at full brightness indoors the thing is a flame thrower, outside, the brightness is good.
There are three modes: "dynamic", "normal", and "movie" (as compared to normal)
Dynamic -- strong color boost, strong contrast obliterating bright and dim detail, some edge enhancement.
Normal -- slight color boost, light contrast, some edge enhancement.
Movie -- reasonable color, reasonable contrast, least edge enhancement.
The best overall mode in my opinion is "movie", "normal" will probably satisfy most people and still have the Wow! factor, "dynamic" definitely has the Wow! factor but is probably too much of a good thing and ultimately picture quality suffers.
The power saving option has color settings as well. I think all of those affect the picture negatively (too blue-ish looking).

7.7 is better, I owned Note, then sold it for this. While Note is pleasing to look at, 7.7 is taking it up a notch for me. Owning the device for more than 1 month, I still get wow-ed whenever I turned on my 7.7..

But my nightmare is the screen itself!
Samoled tends to degrade very quick and i just hate those screen burn in ,bacause i own a galaxy s and omg the screen burn in is horrible!
And i also searched xda about 7.7's screen and got to know about the circles,uneven brightnes blah blah blah. . . . .
All these things force me not to buy a samoled device ever.
According to phonearena samoled plus produces more warmer colours than samoled,
is this true for 7.7 and note too?
As per as the the photos on colour gamut section shootout in phonearena its clearly visible that samoled plus produces more darker and vivid colours?

I own both devices. In general, I would say that the Note appears brighter to me than my 7.7
However, the 7.7 has much more accurate and balanced colour reproduction than the Note, especially when using movie mode on both devices. Movie mode is generally warmer and more natural looking.
Don't get me wrong though, both screens are really fantastic in their own rights, and I love both. I just use the 7.7 more often due to its form factor.

In my own opinion, I find the Note to have a better color balance which is more neutral compared to the Tab7.7, side by side the Tab7.7 does offer more saturated colors, lower white brightness and deeper blacks. Disregarding the smaller form factor and the video clipping issue on the Note, I find watching movies on the Note slightly better because it does not crush a lot of shadow details.
Of course not all screens are made and calibrated equally, so my opinion will surely differ from everyone else.

Me too accept that tab 7.7 has one of the best displays available in the market,but what about the burn in issue,dark circles,uneven brightness?
I was thinking of buying the 7.7 in this week but these issues dont allow me to do so . . . .

Perhaps the SAMOLED+ should be treated like plasma screen:
Keep the contrast at a minimum levels for the first 100 hours of use or so.
To me that would mean setting the 7.7 screen mode to "movie" and brightness to about 25% or less and having a less dynamic low contrast background for that time.

You mean if i will set it to low brightness for 1st 100 hours, it wont get that burn in effect?

Super AMOLED Plus, first introduced with the Samsung Galaxy S II and Samsung Droid Charge smartphones, is a further development where the PenTile RGBG pixel matrix (2 subpixels) is replaced with Samsung's "Real Stripe" (3 subpixels) RGB RGB subpixel arrangement. This goes from eight to twelve subpixels per group, resulting in finer details. The screen technology is also brighter, thinner with AMOLED Plus displays being 18% more energy efficient than the old Super AMOLED displays.
HD Super AMOLED is a new Super AMOLED type display from Samsung. The first device to use it is the Galaxy Note: an Android v2.3 phone with a 5.3" 1280x800 display. The phone (and the display) was announced in September 2011. The second device to use it is Samsung's Galaxy Nexus phone - with a 4.65" display with 1280x720 resolution. The higher resolution and dpi were made possible due to a change in materials and new manufacturing process, though still using shadow mask (or fine metal mask (FMM)) technology. However this required a change back to pentile RGBG subpixels
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Super AMOLED Plus (WVGA) — Samsung Galaxy S II, Samsung Droid Charge, Samsung Infuse 4G, Samsung Focus S, Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7
HD Super AMOLED (PenTile, HD) — Galaxy Nexus, Samsung Galaxy Note
Some prices you should know:
LCD-Amoled at the moment a iPhone 4 3.7 inch IPS-LCD cost 38.50 dollars.
4.3 inch Super-Amoled-Plus Galaxy S2 50-55 dollars.
7.7 inch Super-Amoled-Plus (Galaxy Tab 7.7) 150-170 dollars.
Sources : Wikipedia & Sammobile

aboozar.khadivi said:
Super AMOLED Plus, first introduced with the Samsung Galaxy S II and Samsung Droid Charge smartphones, is a further development where the PenTile RGBG pixel matrix (2 subpixels) is replaced with Samsung's "Real Stripe" (3 subpixels) RGB RGB subpixel arrangement.
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Erm, wrong... It's 8 sub-pixels for the PenTile SAMOLED and 12 sub-pixels for the SAMOLED+ "Real Stripe"
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Guys i know the difference b/w samoled+ and samoled hd but my question is how to get rid from those burn in issues,dark circles,uneven brightness etc.
I scecifically want to get rid from the burn in issue because i already have a galaxy s and i can clearly see the horizontal lines,clock etc when on a plain white,grey,green etc colour screen.I can even adjust with the dark circles and uneven brightness because i will mostly be using this on max brightness.

Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Erm, wrong... It's 8 sub-pixels for the PenTile SAMOLED and 12 sub-pixels for the SAMOLED+ "Real Stripe"
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You know 8:12 is the same ratio as 2:3, right? In that image, the blocks are of four pixels, so I don't see it as wrong to say that there are two subpixels per pixel on RGBG PenTile, even if it doesn't capture the subtleties of how images are actually displayed. Certainly there is a 2:1 ratio of subpixels to actual pixels in RGBG PenTile vs. 3:1 in RGB stripe.
pikulu said:
Guys i know the difference b/w samoled+ and samoled hd but my question is how to get rid from those burn in issues,dark circles,uneven brightness etc.
I scecifically want to get rid from the burn in issue because i already have a galaxy s and i can clearly see the horizontal lines,clock etc when on a plain white,grey,green etc colour screen.I can even adjust with the dark circles and uneven brightness because i will mostly be using this on max brightness.
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You can't completely remove burn-in, only take steps to mitigate it. Use as much black in your theming/backgrounds as possible. Remove static UI elements like the status bar. Normal advice is also to run lower brightness, though I guess that isn't an option for you.

Any precautions to be taken for 1st few weeks use?
I can see the burn in even in max brightness on my samsung s8500,will i notice the burn in too on 7.7 at max brightness?
My s8500 shows burn in like horizontal faint lines,status bar etc; so apart from the status bar anyhing else like faint horizontal lines on 7.7 after burn in?
Is the status bar burn in noticeable at max brightness?

TonyBigs said:
If anything, I can't get the screen dim enough indoors, at full brightness indoors the thing is a flame thrower, outside, the brightness is good.
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Look into Screen Filter, or Total Screen Control. I like Total Screen Control better because of the widget and presets, but it is not free.

6.3" screen on the Note 3!? Some thoughts and perspectives:

Personally, after having done a little number crunching, I don't think it's really all too far fetched to imagine the Note 3 having a 6.3" screen, assuming certain things happen. Here's my thinking:
The physical dimensions of the current Note 2 (not the screen) are 151mm tall by 80.5mm wide, which yields a hypotenuse of ~173.3mm.
A ~6.3" (160mm diag) 16:9 ratio screen would be about 139.5mm tall by ~78.4mm wide, which can just about squeeze into the current body's form factor, if you remove the physical buttons and go with a ~1mm bezel on the sides (compared to the current ~5.7mm bezel).
A ~1mm bezel is insane, and honestly I doubt it's a realistic expectation. However, if the Note 3 returns to the original Note's width of ~83mm, that would make room for a ~2.3mm bezel on a 6.3" screen. That's still insanely thin, but maybe just about doable.
Now, here's another thing to consider: Screen Resolution.
As it currently stands, it's much easier to make a higher resolution LCD display than an AMOLED display (which is why our 5.55" AMOLED displays are only 720p when there are 5" 1080p LCD's). It's currently difficult for AMOLED to match those levels of pixel density before running into quality issues like we've seen in previous AMOLED generations. That's to be expected; AMOLED technology is still relatively new compared to LCD, so we're still working on perfecting it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we've yet seen an RGB (not PenTile) AMOLED display break the 300ppi barrier yet. So far, the Note 2's display has the highest RGB pixel density that we've ever seen yet (again, the key here is RGB, not PenTile).
If the Note 3 has a 6.3" screen, and if indeed it's going to be 1080p, then that would mean a pixel density of ~350ppi. I believe that jumping from the current ~265ppi (RGB) to ~350ppi (RBG) is incredibly significant, and possibly unrealistic actually... So this, to me, suggests one of two likely possibilities:
A.) A 6.3" 1080p PenTile display.
or
B.) An RGB (using the current sub-pixel layout in the Note 2) display, but at lower than 1080p resolution; perhaps something like 1600x900 instead.
Option B would yield a ~291ppi density, and seems like a realistic and reasonable improvement from the current generation.
Either option is seems like a reasonable possibility, however, in my personal opinion, I would bet that the 1080p PenTile option seems more likely.
So, to sum everything up, here's what I would predict for the Note 3 for dimensions and screen:
Chassis:
151 - 155 mm Height
83 - 85 mm Width
8 - 10 mm Depth
Buttonless/Full touch screen design
Screen:
6.3" (160mm) Diagonal, 16:9
1080p PenTile SAMOLED (More likely)
or
1600x900 RGB SAMOLED (Less likely)
maybe
1080p RGB SAMOLED (Least likely, but who knows!)
I know a lot of this may have been boring, but I hope it was informative, and perhaps brings some more clarity to the rumors that have been floating around.
Let me know your thoughts!

My thoughts are there is already a thread about this.
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i would really want a non pentile screen and a 1080p screen...

Nice thorough post.
I personally won't buy a larger form factor. So, whatever the max screen size is within the current physical dimension is what it should be.
If the form factor goes larger I might as well buy a 7" tablet.

Most said that the Note 2 size was too large.
After, was considered a normal phone size for them.
Note 3, might have the same procedure.

My thoughts are that if it actually turns out to be 6.3" then they better call it 'Galaxy tab mini'

The note 2's screen at first was a bit of a handful but I've gotten used to it now I've had it for a few months but 6.3".....that's a bit over the top in my opinion.
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If the display isn't downgrade from rgb, and is close to 6inches without much dimensions bigger then i will upgrade to it.
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The problem with a 6.3" device, IMO, would be:
Should one hold it like a phone (one-handed) or like a tablet (two-handed)?
I guess the design of the device should hold the answer (bevel and of course dimensions).
I believe this is yet again a wait-and-see moment for Samsung. When the original Note was launched, everyone had their comments. But the sales proved, one way or another, that "phablet" is feasible. 5.3" isn't really too big! Now we stretched it to 5.5" and the sales are now even stronger! So if they can find a way to make the user experience feasible for a 6.3" phone-tablet hybrid (or whatever marketing they employ for that device), then who's to say now that it's good or not?
I'm happy with my 5.5" Note II. If the Note III proves to be successful at 6.3", that's a nice feat. But I'm sticking to my Note II (for the next two years!)

I'd prefer if Samsung stuck with physical buttons as soft keys on screen take up a lot of real estate. It would be a waste to have a large screen that has a 1/2" row permanently used by buttons.
Not to mention that soft keys get in the way of gaming and are often inadvertently pressed.
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Simple..
Penta-Core Processor
3 Gigabyte of RAM
..
Profit!
I don't know why but I want it..

EP2008 said:
I'd prefer if Samsung stuck with physical buttons as soft keys on screen take up a lot of real estate. It would be a waste to have a large screen that has a 1/2" row permanently used by buttons.
Not to mention that soft keys get in the way of gaming and are often inadvertently pressed.
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@rbiter said:
My thoughts are there is already a thread about this.
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I respectfully disagree. Whereas the other thread talking about the Note III merely links to an outside source regarding potential screen size, and then asks the simple "Will you buy it?" question, my thread here, though on a related topic, goes into much greater detail behind the speculations for the Note III, and encourages a much broader discussion about the screen technology in particular.

If Samsung does go with a 6.3" screen design for the Note III, I hope that they finally stop using the Phone UI across the whole platform and instead go with something more like the Phablet UI (like on the Nexus 7). Maybe even incorporate certain PA features like per-app-density and per-app-layout etc.

Gof fig they would want to make it bigger. :silly: I like the 5.5 and would love to see them work bettering the guts of the phone. More power!!!!!!!!!

EP2008 said:
I'd prefer if Samsung stuck with physical buttons as soft keys on screen take up a lot of real estate. It would be a waste to have a large screen that has a 1/2" row permanently used by buttons.
Not to mention that soft keys get in the way of gaming and are often inadvertently pressed.
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great

I like idea of a bigger screen, but remember the Note 1 was uncomfortable to hold (in one hand) for me. Although the Note 2 was only slightly narrower it was a massive difference and I have never had issues holding it in one hand. The slight curvature change also helped here. 6" might be my comfort limit

No thanks

Jade Eyed Wolf said:
So, to sum everything up, here's what I would predict for the Note 3 for dimensions and screen:
Chassis:
151 - 155 mm Height
83 - 85 mm Width
8 - 10 mm Depth
Buttonless/Full touch screen design
Screen:
6.3" (160mm) Diagonal, 16:9
1080p PenTile SAMOLED (More likely)
or
1600x900 RGB SAMOLED (Less likely)
maybe
1080p RGB SAMOLED (Least likely, but who knows!)
I know a lot of this may have been boring, but I hope it was informative, and perhaps brings some more clarity to the rumors that have been floating around.
Let me know your thoughts!
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Firstly IMHO I think they would keep their button layout. They are trying to make their product lineup using standard elements.
Secondly, I doubt that they would go back to pentile AMOLED. they have faced too much heat with that piece of tech. And also doing 1080p on a non-pentile AMOLED is way tough for a new tech like it is. So lower res is the way they'll go.
Other than that I agree with your predictions.

The phone is already too big for most people.. would be crazy if they make the phone any bigger.

Does the GS4 have the best phone screen?

I was playing around with the GS4 yesterday and the screen probably impressed me the most. I held it next to the GS3 and it was quite a bit better: sharper and brighter.
I haven't had the opportunity to look at the One yet, but I have to think the GS4 is a strong contender for the best phone screen. Of course it depends on your preference for AMOLED versus LCD; I probably prefer the former.
So to those who have been using the phone: how would you rate the screen? Do you consider it a big jump over the GS3 and how would you compare it to other phone screens, especially the One?

Strategist said:
I was playing around with the GS4 yesterday and the screen probably impressed me the most. I held it next to the GS3 and it was quite a bit better: sharper and brighter.
I haven't had the opportunity to look at the One yet, but I have to think the GS4 is a strong contender for the best phone screen. Of course it depends on your preference for AMOLED versus LCD; I probably prefer the former.
So to those who have been using the phone: how would you rate the screen? Do you consider it a big jump over the GS3 and how would you compare it to other phone screens, especially the One?
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WAY better than GS3 but trades shots with the One.
I prefer a larger screen with true blacks so I prefer the GS4's screen. If you prefer a smaller screen and colour accuracy then the One's screen would be better.

"The best" is highly subjective. For instance, if you prefer outdoor visibility, it's still nowhere near iPhone or the One. That said, I prefer (properly calibrated) AMOLEDs for the contrast ratios and superior blacks despite all the drawbacks
Personal preference, really.

I have a One, and I have had a look at the S4 display. I have to say both displays look great.

You like Amoled then this is the best, if you like LCD real colors then One is the best. Personally prefer the One display.
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It really depends on your preference. I have owned all the Galaxys, and some sony/HTC`s and i will say it is not.
There is no doubt the S4 screen is amazing, but only when it comes to colours. After using the S4 for a period of time, my eyes is starting to get tired. And thats because of the deep, saturated colours.
In the end it comes up to your personal preference. For me the Xperia Z/One is the best one. Nothing beats watching a movie on an LCD-panel.
- Sorry for bad English

While I love the screen on my GS4, I must humbly admit the SLCD3 screen in the HTC One is superior. While the blacks aren't completely black because it can't shut off pixels like AMOLED does, it's blacks are however very very impressive, color accuracy and sharpness are also more superior on the HTC One as well (the S4's Adobe RGB mode, aka (Professional photo) looks off a bit, especially on reds, so don't be fooled into thinking this option will make up for the inferior color accuracy). The only downside to the HTC One's screen, is it's only 4.7" which is a knock in my opinion as I prefer a larger screen.

Smurflin96 said:
It really depends on your preference. I have owned all the Galaxys, and some sony/HTC`s and i will say it is not.
There is no doubt the S4 screen is amazing, but only when it comes to colours. After using the S4 for a period of time, my eyes is starting to get tired. And thats because of the deep, saturated colours.
In the end it comes up to your personal preference. For me the Xperia Z/One is the best one. Nothing beats watching a movie on an LCD-panel.
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So use Adobe RGB mode...

No it has really bad ghosting.

One of the best. I've recently switched to "movie mode" as various professional display reviewers have noted this mode as having the most accurate colors and I've been loving it. Feels more like an LCD which I used to prefer. I was also surprised at the amount of additional detail I'm seeing in movie mode that were not present in standard (for instance, the tapatalk app icon)
You will need a day to adjust from standard mode, but once you do I'm betting the standard will be hard to look at for you.
The resolution and PPI speak for themselves, obviously.
Edit: great info here http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm
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Note 2 screen looks great. No pen tile.
my gnote2 is bigger than your puny iPhone.

The s4 screen has a wow factor since the colors pop and the blacks are inky. The One's screen is great too much IMHO, the I prefer the S4 since it is bigger and more vibrant. The One's screen is like looking at the Iphone's screen but bigger since even on the Iphone you can't see pixels so it didn't wow me as much.

Guys i just compared my s3 to also mine s4 and must say the s3 display is sharper and I see more details on it. I just run few same clips on both. Can someone confirm it.
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Samsung displays are horrible when it's outside in bright sunlight.

If you want vibrant colours they are the best. If you want realistic I'd say the One and iPhone 5 are the best. The movie mode is very good on the S4 but it's not as well calibrated as the iPhone 5s screen. Looking in the forum the S4 has ghosting/smearing and some weird pink tint issues. AMOLED screens also are poor in daylight and can get burn in.

Now that it has an option to show accurate colors. Displaymate rate it on par with iPhone 5 which is rated as the best LCD screen they tested in a mobile phone. For me SGS4 is the best out there simply because it offers best of both worlds. There is a mode to show vibrant colors which I personally like especially when watching movies. LCD will pale in comparison next to AMOLED which can show pitch black . It is still Pentile arrangement however I tried hard looking closely as I can and men I can't see any pixels or cross hatch pattern that I can detect on SGS3. I even think that it's icons are much sharper compared to iPhone 5. Now that the Pentile weakness has been totally eliminated by ridiculous 441 pixels per inch. Is there another phone out there that can beat this in terms of display?
From Displayemate which is world renowned for display diagnostics
Comparing the Galaxy S4 with the LCD Display on the iPhone 5:
The iPhone 5 is now more than half way through its product cycle, which is important to keep in mind for our comparison. However, high-end LCDs like the iPhone 5 are a very mature and refined display technology, so other than screen size, resolution, and the Pixels Per Inch not much is likely to change in the next generation, no matter what Apple decides to do. The iPhone 5 is significantly brighter than the Galaxy S4, particularly for screens with mostly peak white backgrounds. Its color calibration is a bit better, although the Galaxy S4 has a more accurate White. The Galaxy S4 has a much bigger screen, higher resolution, higher PPI, much darker blacks, and better screen uniformity than the iPhone 5. They each have their own particular strengths and weaknesses, but if you scan our color coordinated Comparison Table below, both displays are quite good and comparable overall – so it’s currently a tie – we’ll see how they both evolve and improve in the next generation…
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http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm#Table

@rbiter said:
Note 2 screen looks great. No pen tile.
my gnote2 is bigger than your puny iPhone.
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With the current pentile matrix they are using and as high density as the 1080P display is, it doesn't affect the quality of the display.
Pentile really is no longer a useable arguement.

Seriously guys, calibration is not an issue. As long as you can get rid of that blue tint, I'm sure you'll get Perseus kernel with top calibration. I do on my Note II and it's absolutely perfect, if not better. Properly calibrated, AMOLEDs have an advantage when it comes to the contrast ratios.
Brightness still sucks though.

I've alway thought Samsung screens always looked too blueish and not so true to life. HTC always seems to get it right when it comes to screens. Just my opinion.
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The ones slcd is superior to the sgs4... Yes the colors are more vibrant and black is real black... But there are too much downsides in my opinion:
- White just doenst look white - ok and full brightness, but not below that
- Loss of detail in dark areas
- Low brightness on automode (even on +5)
- Low brightness on maximum brightness (the ones slcd is superior in sunlight)
- Burn-In
- Pentile - still visible for me
- Smearing / ghosting
- power consumption on browsing
- red black (fixed?!)

Note 12.2 screen has 4 Million less subpixels...

The Note 12.2 uses a pentile [RB][GW] subpixel layout vs the TabPro 8.4 which has full [RGB].
Pentile screens use just 2/3 of the subpixels compared to full RGB.
Accordingly subPixel counts:
Note 12.2 ... 2560x1600x2 gives about 8 million sub pixels
tabPro 8.4 ... 2560x1600x3 gives about 12 million
Disappointing for a device priced so high with a 'Pro' tag?

SonicTab said:
The Note 12.2 uses a pentile [RB][GW] subpixel layout vs the TabPro 8.4 which has full [RGB].
Pentile screens use just 2/3 of the subpixels compared to full RGB.
Accordingly subPixel counts:
Note 12.2 ... 2560x1600x2 gives about 8 million sub pixels
tabPro 8.4 ... 2560x1600x3 gives about 12 million
Disappointing for a device priced so high with a 'Pro' tag?
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i believe that the actual experience of using the tablet and getting the best out of it matters more than the on paper calculations

I have a Nexus 10 and a Note Pro 12.2 and can't tell any difference in pixel density so quit complaining about paper specs. It's a great tabet!

rkirmeier said:
I have a Nexus 10 and a Note Pro 12.2 and can't tell any difference in pixel density so quit complaining about paper specs. It's a great tabet!
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Turn that in to PPI and it doesn't look so bad. The gross PPI for the N12.2 is 247. The addition of the white sub-pixel (25% of the total count) reduces the RGB pixels by 8% each leaving them at 227 PPI each. The iPad Air is at 264 PPI and the net RGB for the N10.1-14 is 274 (gross is 299) resulting in the N12.2 having 14% fewer RGB pixels per inch than the iPad and 17% less than the N10.1-14. It's 24% less than the N10 which uses a RGB stripe display. Whether those PPI reductions are comparatively noticeable depends more on individual visual acuity and the distance the device is viewed from than anything else. Some reviewers commented on the display being less sharp when compared to the Tab|Pro 8.4/10.1 and N10.1-14.

Same here. No perceived difference in sharpness/quality with my Nexus 10.
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BarryH_GEG said:
Turn that in to PPI and it doesn't look so bad. The gross PPI for the N12.2 is 247. The addition of the white sub-pixel (25% of the total count) reduces the RGB pixels by 8% each leaving them at 227 PPI each. The iPad Air is at 264 PPI and the net RGB for the N10.1-14 is 274 (gross is 299) resulting in the N12.2 having 14% fewer RGB pixels per inch than the iPad and 17% less than the N10.1-14. It's 24% less than the N10 which uses a RGB stripe display. Whether those PPI reductions are comparatively noticeable depends more on individual visual acuity and the distance the device is viewed from than anything else. Some reviewers commented on the display being less sharp when compared to the Tab|Pro 8.4/10.1 and N10.1-14.
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All these calculations are a waste of time and effort. I can't tell the difference side by side so no one is going to be able to honestly perceive that one is better then another... These kind of arguments and numbers are only for haters or people who can't afford a device but want to convince themselves they really don't want it because of some technical specs that can't be perceived in real world usage/conditions.

Look it is what it is.
Samsung used a pentile screen in the 12.2 . Pentile screens have 2/3 of the sub pixels of a normal RGB display.
The display quality of the TabPro 8.4 is incredible, 1078 sub pixels per inch,
whereas the 12.2 pentile display clocks in at 494 sub pixels per inch.
As others have noted, the 12.2 Note screen is more than usable, but it's inferior to a full RGB display.

SonicTab said:
Look it is what it is.
Samsung used a pentile screen in the 12.2 . Pentile screens have 2/3 of the sub pixels of a normal RGB display.
The display quality of the TabPro 8.4 is incredible, 1078 sub pixels per inch,
whereas the 12.2 pentile display clocks in at 494 sub pixels per inch.
As others have noted, the 12.2 Note screen is more than usable, but it's inferior to a full RGB display.
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So you are not getting one ?!
As I said actual experience matter than paper specs and calculations etc. I have seen no one disappointed about the screen not on here or in a YouTube video but you . everyone is charmed by the beauty of the screen and happy with it . those calculations are not a deal breaker for anyone around here and if you are not happy with what you would get with the note pro you could simply get the 8.4 tap pro its a personal reference .
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SonicTab said:
Look it is what it is.
Samsung used a pentile screen in the 12.2 . Pentile screens have 2/3 of the sub pixels of a normal RGB display.
The display quality of the TabPro 8.4 is incredible, 1078 sub pixels per inch,
whereas the 12.2 pentile display clocks in at 494 sub pixels per inch.
As others have noted, the 12.2 Note screen is more than usable, but it's inferior to a full RGB display.
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Sorry but you are being stupid. Stop analyzing the specs and actually try out the devices. No way you can perceive any difference under normal operating conditions. I truly feel sorry for you...

It's an lower quality display. The difference can be seen, and stated and is unexpected in a premium product.
If your charmed by the product or unable to see the difference, all the better.
Maybe Samsung has judged its target audience correctly.

SonicTab said:
Look it is what it is.
Samsung used a pentile screen in the 12.2 . Pentile screens have 2/3 of the sub pixels of a normal RGB display.
The display quality of the TabPro 8.4 is incredible, 1078 sub pixels per inch,
whereas the 12.2 pentile display clocks in at 494 sub pixels per inch.
As others have noted, the 12.2 Note screen is more than usable, but it's inferior to a full RGB display.
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SonicTab said:
The Note 12.2 uses a pentile [RB][GW] subpixel layout vs the TabPro 8.4 which has full [RGB].
Pentile screens use just 2/3 of the subpixels compared to full RGB.
Accordingly subPixel counts:
Note 12.2 ... 2560x1600x2 gives about 8 million sub pixels
tabPro 8.4 ... 2560x1600x3 gives about 12 million
Disappointing for a device priced so high with a 'Pro' tag?
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Actually the way pentile and rgb stripe displays render information is totally different. Rgb use an entire pixel (rgb) to create an image. Rgbw displays render on the subpixel level. The pixels actually have no locked in grid they must conform to but rather work with all those around them to render the same resolution image as rgb with 2/3 of the subpixels. There is no discernable difference except that rgbw actually conforms to the process of the human eye better and thus can achieve better color parity with real life.
PenTile® technology is biomimetic, meaning it is designed to compliment the complex mechanics of the eye-brain system. As a simple example of eye mechanics consider how the eye utilizes the color blue. The eye has cone receptors that sense color and brightness, and discern patterns. These cones are sensitive to different wavelengths of color—primarily red, green, and blue. The blue cones detect mostly color (chroma) information, while the red and green cones do most of the work resolving images by discerning luminance, edges, and structural details of images, as well as contributing to color vision. The red and green cones are used independently, each cone seeing a "dot" of black and white—ignoring its color to produce high resolution luminance perception—and are used in opposition, comparing the amount of red versus green, to produce low resolution color perception.
If there was an obvious disadvantage I doubt one of the largest and most successful electronics companies to ever exist would not use pentile. Or have you all forgotten that the NOTE 3 pentile is hailed as the best screen on a phone period (with regards to new 2k screens coming this year) even beating out all lcd rgb competition?
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SonicTab said:
Maybe Samsung has judged its target audience correctly.
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^This.
Measurement is objective, but enjoyment is subjective.

Duly.noted said:
Actually the way pentile and rgb stripe displays render information is totally different. Rgb use an entire pixel (rgb) to create an image. Rgbw displays render on the subpixel level. The pixels actually have no locked in grid they must conform to but rather work with all those around them to render the same resolution image as rgb with 2/3 of the subpixels. There is no discernable difference except that rgbw actually conforms to the process of the human eye better and thus can achieve better color parity with real life.
PenTile® technology is biomimetic, meaning it is designed to compliment the complex mechanics of the eye-brain system. As a simple example of eye mechanics consider how the eye utilizes the color blue. The eye has cone receptors that sense color and brightness, and discern patterns. These cones are sensitive to different wavelengths of color—primarily red, green, and blue. The blue cones detect mostly color (chroma) information, while the red and green cones do most of the work resolving images by discerning luminance, edges, and structural details of images, as well as contributing to color vision. The red and green cones are used independently, each cone seeing a "dot" of black and white—ignoring its color to produce high resolution luminance perception—and are used in opposition, comparing the amount of red versus green, to produce low resolution color perception.
If there was an obvious disadvantage I doubt one of the largest and most successful electronics companies to ever exist would not use pentile. Or have you all forgotten that the NOTE 3 pentile is hailed as the best screen on a phone period (with regards to new 2k screens coming this year) even beating out all lcd rgb competition?
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PREACH.
The only other image related difference, I believe, is that the tab can record HD video at a higher fps. The camera only weighs in at a craptastic 8 MP, and I don't use my tablet, of all things, to film video. The s-pen, on the other hand, is fantastic for graphic work.

rkirmeier said:
Sorry but you are being stupid. Stop analyzing the specs and actually try out the devices. No way you can perceive any difference under normal operating conditions. I truly feel sorry for you...
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How is this stupid? We are not talking about a $100 or a $200 device; this is the most expensive Android tablet where EVERYTHING should be premium. When the build quality is already meh, not having 2560x1600 at standard RGB stripe for a LCD is a kick to the teeth.
The comparison with the Note 3 is asinine, because this is not 1080p AMOLED on a 5.7" screen where the tradeoffs with Pentile are more than worth it. 2560x1600 RGB is only 227 ppi, Pentile reduces it to 2/3 to 150 ppi. The claim you make that people can't see the difference like Retina iPad is ridiculous.
My brother has the 12.2 which I have actually used it so don't use the "you didn't tried it out hurr hurr" excuse to shut people up. Straight edges are clearly blurrier than my iPad Air. But hey if you like Samsung to continue selling you inferior specs at high prices be their guest.

But at the end it's not the pixel density. If you get the same effect with new technique, you don't need so high density. But as you said you see the difference in straight edges so probably buyers should then first check the screen do they see the same or not.
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I have the note 3, note 10.1 2012 and the note pro 12.2, the note pro is much better than my note 3 and my note 10.1 2012 combined. If you want to complain about ppi, then you should complain about the first note 10.1. 1280 x 800 on a 10.1 inch screen vs 2560 x 1600 on a 12 inch screen. Considering the first note 10.1, that is a screen upgrade to me.
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How is this thread still going? Either you buy one, or you don't. I bought it, and I'm never looking back. It has all the functionality I need, plus things I've not yet gotten around to messing with. It's an awesome tablet. If subpixels are what you're in the market for, then you have done your homework and know this isn't what you need.
This is what I need. Very pleased.
Thank you, and goodnight.

Metallic Palladium said:
How is this stupid? We are not talking about a $100 or a $200 device; this is the most expensive Android tablet where EVERYTHING should be premium. When the build quality is already meh, not having 2560x1600 at standard RGB stripe for a LCD is a kick to the teeth.
The comparison with the Note 3 is asinine, because this is not 1080p AMOLED on a 5.7" screen where the tradeoffs with Pentile are more than worth it. 2560x1600 RGB is only 227 ppi, Pentile reduces it to 2/3 to 150 ppi. The claim you make that people can't see the difference like Retina iPad is ridiculous.
My brother has the 12.2 which I have actually used it so don't use the "you didn't tried it out hurr hurr" excuse to shut people up. Straight edges are clearly blurrier than my iPad Air. But hey if you like Samsung to continue selling you inferior specs at high prices be their guest.
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Samsung FIRMLY believes that pentile is a better screen technology than lcd they are the ones driving it's development. It is more akin to how the human eye actually works and it is easier on the eyes. The number of sub pixels is the same just one per every four is white, It is 30% more energy efficient and it requires fewer sub pixels to display at the same resolution, the human eye will see it the same as a higher resolution. To be technical though gentile displays have ZERO sub pixels. Each individual subpixel is rendered separately. They are not in pre defined groups and can be combined into any number of logical pixels. So technically the screen is using 12,288,000 individual pixels.*
conventional RGB stripe displays render (draw) images by assigning a color and luminance (brightness) to an entire RGB-triplet as a whole pixel, adjusting its three RGB subpixels to set a single addressable point. Images on a PenTile RGBW™ panel are subpixel rendered, meaning they are drawn at the subpixel level (the individual points of light), rather than to the whole pixels of an RGB stripe display. In fact "pixels" in the traditional sense have been eliminated in PenTile RGBW™ displays; individual subpixels are not restricted to use in one pixel group, but instead participate in multiple "logical" pixels in their surrounding vicinity.
Subpixel rendering dramatically increases addressability and enables the sophisticated image processing used in PenTile RGBW™ displays.
That is from nouyance the company that invented pentile and rgbw They also say
PenTile® technology is biomimetic, meaning it is designed to compliment the complex mechanics of the eye-brain system. As a simple example of eye mechanics consider how the eye utilizes the color blue. The eye has cone receptors that sense color and brightness, and discern patterns. These cones are sensitive to different wavelengths of color—primarily red, green, and blue. The blue cones detect mostly color (chroma) information, while the red and green cones do most of the work resolving images by discerning luminance, edges, and structural details of images, as well as contributing to color vision. The red and green cones are used independently, each cone seeing a "dot" of black and white—ignoring its color to produce high resolution luminance perception—and are used in opposition, comparing the amount of red versus green, to produce low resolution color perception.
The PenTile RGBW™ layout uses each red, green, blue and white subpixel to present high-resolution luminance information to the red and green cones, while using the combined effect of all the color subpixels to present lower-resolution chroma (color) information to all three cone types. Combined, this optimizes the match of display technology to the biological mechanisms of human vision.
Other human-vision factors such as the logarithmic representation of luminance values, variable resolution between the center and edge of vision, and the separation and compression of brightness and color differences are also exploited in the design of PenTile RGBW™ displays.
The human eye perceives the resolution of the PenTile RGBW™ panel as the same as an equivalent RGB stripe panel, yet the PenTile®*panel uses one-third fewer subpixels. Consider the figure below to understand how this is accomplished.
At the top is the PenTile RGBW™ layout; at the bottom RGB stripe. The circle at the bottom center demonstrates the finest pattern of vertical black and white lines an RGB stripe display is capable of rendering. This requires three columns (R + G + B) be turned "on" and an equivalent width of three columns be turned "off" to write one cycle of a black and white line. From a suitable distance this collection of color subpixels appears to the eye as a white line.
The top center circle shows the equivalent pattern of vertical black and white lines written to the PenTile RGBW™ layout. From a distance the array of color subpixels in two columns will appear to the eye as a white line, identical to that generated by the RGB stripe layout, and the following two columns will write the corresponding black line. With only four columns being used to accomplish the same linear cycle that required six columns for legacy RGB stripe, two columns are saved. Hence, PenTile RGBW™ technology maintains the same resolution with one-third fewer columns, one-third fewer subpixels and one-third fewer transistors in the array. This results in wider columns and improved aperture ratio (ratio of transmissive area of a subpixel to the total area of that subpixel).
The circles on the right of the figure demonstrate the finest pattern of black and white lines which may be written horizontally to RGB stripe (bottom) and PenTile RGBW™ (top). Note that both layouts require the same number of rows for horizontal lines.
from this information we can see that a rgb display and a rgbw pentile are equal in displayed resolution and the pentile is more efficient. In black and white images and full color media Petite and rgb are 100% indistinguishable and only when displaying text against a fully saturated background (color text against a solid Colored background) or a sudden transition between two colors can a difference be seen and these are almost unnoticeable on high density displays like the Note 2014 or Note 12.2 pro. What you call drawbacks to pentile I call progress and efficiency. If I can't see a difference there isn't one. Only mine is bigger and more useful with better battery life. I owned the 2014 and work around and begrudgingly sell ipad airs on regular basis. I also have perfect vision in one eye and nobody I have EVER had come into my store has seen the 12.2's Screen as anything short of magnificent. Yes I suppose if you get close enough to your screen that you can barely focus on it that You could see a difference but ya Know I have a life and at normal viewing distances it is flawless. I mean I guess I better not buy a laptop anytime Soon since their dpi's are lower than an ipads right? Or if I want something really worth owning I need that 20" 4K tablet. And my TV is only 1080p? Its 50" THAT'S ONLY 44 DPI OMG I BETTER TRASH IT!!! Forget viewing distances I can't believe I enjoy this crap. I need at least an 8K tv to get a good dpi now I just need to wait about 6 years before I can own a tv again. And a 100" tv? Give me 16k and we can talk.

ExtremeRyno said:
How is this thread still going? Either you buy one, or you don't. I bought it, and I'm never looking back. It has all the functionality I need, plus things I've not yet gotten around to messing with. It's an awesome tablet. If subpixels are what you're in the market for, then you have done your homework and know this isn't what you need.
This is what I need. Very pleased.
Thank you, and goodnight.
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you said what i wanted to say exactly last night but i decided not too since things are getting awkward and pointless since he clearly is decided not to buy it but also the thread seems to be to make people stop buying the device based on some quality calculations

Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2

Thinking about buying one.
Why?
1) Getting blind in my old age, well not blind but I need reading glasses
2) Bigger screen should be more natural with magazines
3) Has Android 4.4 (now I know I can root install custom ROMs etc... but I also had bad luck doing this with tablets)
Two questions,
It is only 2 inches bigger does that two inches make it much harder to travel with?
It runs the latest Android, does it run better?
It is expensive and I which when I bought my Note 10.1 (2014) .... what 3 months ago I knew this was coming.

has crossed my mind as well, I do a lot of reading/surfing/viewing and I don't really take it out much
saw one in a shop ...not exactly cheap not sure worth the extra coin being asked

spacecat said:
has crossed my mind as well, I do a lot of reading/surfing/viewing and I don't really take it out much
saw one in a shop ...not exactly cheap not sure worth the extra coin being asked
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Personal preference of course. Some things to consider.
It's huge and comparatively heavy.
The N10.1-14 is getting 4.4 and M-UX; it's already listed as a feature on Samsung's commerce sites. It won't get the Pro features but you can download the most meaningful, Hancom Office, in the app sub-forum here. There was some question about a modified version of the Tab/Note|Pro s/w because we have a menu button and those devices have replaced it with a task button. N12 owners have reported that long-pressing the task button provides the menu function we have which means it's one set of s/w with different button function mapping. Other than the remainder of missing Pro features the only two other unique features to the N12 are four multiview windows (vs. our two) and an expanded keyboard with FN, ALT, CTRL keys.
The N12 has an inferior display because the same pixel count that's on the N10.1-14 is stretched out over a larger area. The N12 has a gross PPI of 247 compared to 299 on the N10.1-14. Both use a RGBW PenTile display which means the net RGB pixel count is 227 and the N10.1-14's is at 274. The iPad Air is 264. A couple of reviewers have mentioned seeing a difference between the Tab|Pro 8.4/10.1 and N10.1-14's displays when compared to the N12.
It's got a bigger battery and will outlast the N10.1-14. But the Exynos N10.1-14's take forever to charge so increase that even more for the N12.
It's got USB 3.0 but it does nothing to improve charging time and increases data transfer rates on Windows (only) PCs that are USB 3.0 equipped.
So in the end, especially after the N10.1-14 gets its updates, there's not a lot of difference between the two h/w and s/w wise with the biggest exception being a fairly low (for a 1080P display) net RGB pixel count of 227 on the N12. For reference the N2's 720P display had a net PPI of 267.
Happy deciding.

Where is the downloads of the hanscom?
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AstroDigital said:
Thinking about buying one.
Why?
1) Getting blind in my old age, well not blind but I need reading glasses
2) Bigger screen should be more natural with magazines
3) Has Android 4.4 (now I know I can root install custom ROMs etc... but I also had bad luck doing this with tablets)
Two questions,
It is only 2 inches bigger does that two inches make it much harder to travel with?
It runs the latest Android, does it run better?
It is expensive and I which when I bought my Note 10.1 (2014) .... what 3 months ago I knew this was coming.
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It's really nice. I don't think the extra size makes it harder to travel with. It is noticeably larger, and you see it the most when holding it with one hand while tapping and navigating with the other. Because it is larger and heavier, there's a lopsided weight to it to where it feels like it's trying to twist out of your hand. Nothing overly dramatic, but you do notice it every time. Unlike the Note 10.1 where your hand covers a larger part of the device and so there is less / none of that feeling. Any type of case etc would most likely mitigate the issue. Other than that the screen is beautiful, sure it may be lower density but nothing I ever noticed after using the Note 12.2. You'll really appreciate the larger nature of text and graphics however, and that is priceless.

BarryH_GEG said:
[*]The N12 has an inferior display because the same pixel count that's on the N10.1-14 is stretched out over a larger area. The N12 has a gross PPI of 247 compared to 299 on the N10.1-14. Both use a RGBW PenTile display which means the net RGB pixel count is 227 and the N10.1-14's is at 274. The iPad Air is 264. A couple of reviewers have mentioned seeing a difference between the Tab|Pro 8.4/10.1 and N10.1-14's displays when compared to the N12.
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May I ask how did you get the net PPI figure?
Note 10.1 has an RGBW matrix made of ~4 Mpixels (2560x1600).
This equals to the same subpixel count as a ~2.7 Mpixel RGB panel (PenTile only have 2 subpixels per pixel compared to RGB's full 3 subpixels)
Which means that our Note's effective resolution is 1306x2090.
So the hypotenuse of the panel (via the pythahorean theorem) equals to the equivalent of 2464 RGB pixels
Which finally means that we have an effective 244 PPI (2464.5/10.1)
Which is lower than Ipad's but higher than other 10.1 inch android's. iPad's screen also consumes far less battery has (arguably) better colours and most importantly does not suffer from the grayish blacks we suffer. In short if you want the best "large" panel in the market you have to go to Apple, for everything else our note is the best deal.

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So the hypotenuse of the panel (via the pythahorean theorem).
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Seriously?
The effective PPI of the N10.1-14's display is 299 PPI. It's achieved somewhat by slight of hand by using combinations of sub-pixels to create the illusion of more. That's the very definition of PenTile whose impact varies greatly based on implementation. My simple formula is essentially just factoring in the loss of 25% of the RGB sub-pixels to the added white ones and distributing the lost pixels across each of red, green, and blue. .
From WiKi...
PenTile RGBW technology, used in LCD, adds an extra subpixel to the traditional red, green and blue subpixels that is a clear area without color filtering material and with the only purpose of letting backlight come through, hence W for white. This makes it possible to produce a brighter image compared to an RGB-matrix while using the same amount of power, or produce an equally bright image while using less power.
The PenTile RGBW layout uses each red, green, blue and white subpixel to present high-resolution luminance information to the human eyes' red-sensing and green-sensing cone cells, while using the combined effect of all the color subpixels to present lower-resolution chroma (color) information to all three cone cell types. Combined, this optimizes the match of display technology to the biological mechanisms of human vision.[13] The layout uses one third fewer subpixels for the same resolution as the RGB stripe (RGB-RGB) layout, in spite of having four color primaries instead of the conventional three, using subpixel rendering combined with metamer rendering. Metamer rendering optimizes the energy distribution between the white subpixel and the combined red, green, and blue subpixels: W <> RGB, to improve image sharpness.
The display driver chip has an RGB to RGBW color vector space converter and gamut mapping algorithm, followed by metamer and subpixel rendering algorithms. In order to maintain saturated color quality, to avoid simultaneous contrast error between saturated colors and peak white brightness, while simultaneously reducing backlight power requirements, the display backlight brightness is under control of the PenTile driver engine. When the image is mostly desaturated colors, those near white or grey, the backlight brightness is significantly reduced, often to less than 50% peak, while the LCD levels are increased to compensate. When the image has very bright saturated colors, the backlight brightness is maintained at higher levels. The PenTile RGBW also has an optional high brightness mode that doubles the brightness of the desaturated color image areas, such as black&white text, for improved outdoor view-ability.RGBW is funky in that when displaying certain fully saturated colors (yellow and green have been given as examples) on a white background there's some granularity issues on hard graphics edges.
Also from WiKi...
However, for the same resolution and size the PenTile screen can appear grainy, pixelated, speckled, with blurred text on some saturated colors and backgrounds when compared to RGB stripe color. This effect is understood to be caused by the restriction of the number of subpixels that may participate in the image reconstruction when the color is fully saturated. In the RGBW case, this is caused as the W subpixel will not be available in order to maintain the saturated color. For all other cases, text and especially full color images are fully reconstructed.The impact of PenTile depends on PPI and even more so on visual acuity - the point at which the viewer's vision intersects one arcminute. For people with 20/20 vision holding a device the typical 10-12" away you can't see that the N10.1-14's display is PenTile; at least from a clarity perspective. Some people here with 20/10 vision have seen the RGBW saturation issue. I, with 20/20 vision, haven't.
Here's an interesting article talking about PPI and its impact on various content...
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/1080p-on-a-smartphone-screencan-it-possibly-matter/
Here's an interesting article talking about visual acuity in the context of Apple naming their display "retina"...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/4
The pixel race explored...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7743/the-pixel-density-race-and-its-technical-merits

BarryH_GEG said:
Seriously?
The effective PPI of the N10.1-14's display is 299 PPI. It's achieved somewhat by slight of hand by using combinations of sub-pixels to create the illusion of more. That's the very definition of PenTile whose impact varies greatly based on implementation. My simple formula is essentially just factoring in the loss of 25% of the RGB sub-pixels to the added white ones and distributing the lost pixels across each of red, green, and blue. .
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I honestly don't get your point, a rectangle is made of two triangles whose hypotenuse is the diagonal of said rectangle, which is why one can use the pythagorean theorem to find the diagonal's pixel count.
As for the rest I calculated what's the effective PPI of our device is in RGB terms, again I don't see where I'm wrong. I called it effective because most screens use an RGB panel. A 1306x2090 panel produces exactly the same sub-pixel count as our note. Now due to subpixels' placing one may see a different picture altogether, but holding our note side by side with an Ipad it is more pixilated, which shows to me that the 299 number is literally meaningless since we are talking about a different screen tech...

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I honestly don't get your point, a rectangle is made of two triangles whose hypotenuse is the diagonal of said rectangle, which is why one can use the pythagorean theorem to find the diagonal's pixel count.
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Yeah I would have done it the same way Stevethegreat did. But I'm not familiar with how they create the illusion of more subpixels.

I am debating which one to get- the note 10.1 2014 or the tab pro 12.2. Does the screen size make it a must have?
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I wanted to get the Note Pro 12.2 until I saw the price (am in Bangkok):
29,900 baht (~$930). I love my Note 10.1 2014.

Stevethegreat said:
May I ask how did you get the net PPI figure?
Note 10.1 has an RGBW matrix made of ~4 Mpixels (2560x1600).
This equals to the same subpixel count as a ~2.7 Mpixel RGB panel (PenTile only have 2 subpixels per pixel compared to RGB's full 3 subpixels)
Which means that our Note's effective resolution is 1306x2090.
So the hypotenuse of the panel (via the pythahorean theorem) equals to the equivalent of 2464 RGB pixels
Which finally means that we have an effective 244 PPI (2464.5/10.1)
Which is lower than Ipad's but higher than other 10.1 inch android's. iPad's screen also consumes far less battery has (arguably) better colours and most importantly does not suffer from the grayish blacks we suffer. In short if you want the best "large" panel in the market you have to go to Apple, for everything else our note is the best deal.
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I honestly don't get your point, a rectangle is made of two triangles whose hypotenuse is the diagonal of said rectangle, which is why one can use the pythagorean theorem to find the diagonal's pixel count.
As for the rest I calculated what's the effective PPI of our device is in RGB terms, again I don't see where I'm wrong. I called it effective because most screens use an RGB panel. A 1306x2090 panel produces exactly the same sub-pixel count as our note. Now due to subpixels' placing one may see a different picture altogether, but holding our note side by side with an Ipad it is more pixilated, which shows to me that the 299 number is literally meaningless since we are talking about a different screen tech...
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You guys do know that a rgbw pentile display doesnt render images in full pixels like a rgb panel right? Thus making a comparison of the two technologies a pissing contest at best. A rgbw panel renders images at the subpixel level using any arrangement of the subpixels to achieve the desired image (in a way more natural and easier on the human eye) whereas a rgb renders images using the entire pixel (all 3 subpixels as a solid unit) it takes a rgbw display 1/3 less subpixels to display the same resolution image with no loss of image quality. Yes if you jam your face into the thing you will notice the pixels slightly sooner than a rgb. All that means is you look less like an idiot while pixel peeping with the rgbw. On text you will never notice a difference. One of the biggest electronics companies of all time keeps using pentile panels and keeps getting great screen reviews in its products. Shut the stupid pentile assault down. I cant even recall a reviewer knocking any of these screens. At normal viewing distance they are marvelous. If you dont use it at a normal distance congratulations your the minority that uses his tablet pressed to his face. Oh the and the "slight" loss of sharpness on the display in comparison to the note 2014 is made up for by a larger screen used FARTHER AWAY meaning that with normal vision no discernable difference. And lastly in what universe have you compared the note 10.1 to the ipad air and found the note more pixelated? Even factoring the lost pixel count (BarryH_GEG is right) the note is superior to the ipad. The rgbw panel doesnt need the extra pixels because it looks just as good without them. And if it looks just as good whats your problem?
Op the 12.2 offers alot more screen real estate. It is a bit heavier but unless you have lost tge ability to wipe yourself you will easily be able to carry it around. My 90 year old grandmother still carries an ipad 3 (same weight). The screen is very efficient and this tablet is consistently beating the ipad air in battery tests. It will take awhile to charge if you allow it to drain all the way. Which you shouldn't do. Charge it when not in use and you will be fine. 4.4 is smoother and the pro features are nice. I would also point out that the charging port is on the side making use while charging much easier. If you are intrigued by its size try it out. Worst case you return it.
Sorry guys for ranting but I keep seeing the same false information over and over again. Your splitting hairs between ridiculously good and slightly more ridiculously good and smaller.......just like that stupid 4:3 is better for reading thing. (IT IS NOT IN ANY WAY BETTER)
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Oh please notice the only time you can tell the difference is text against a fully saturated background.
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Also from Nouvoyance (a company owned by samsung doing their r&d for rgbw pentile displays) the are pursuing pentile because it relies on technology that tskes advantage of the human eyes natural mechanisms. Samsung obviously believes that pentile is the way of the future. they seem to be selling the idea very well.
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@ Duly.noted: OK I get you dislike of ipad and it is not without merit but I was comparing the sub pixel count of our device with that of ipad's and unlike what BarryH_GEG said my calculations are not wrong, you said it yourself we have 1/3rd less subpixels. Now I often keep my tablet at a distance of 8-10 inches close to my eyes. Granted I keep it closer than most people, and also -granted- text looks better but everything else *doesn't* and *that's* my point, technically we have a worse screen but to most people it is just fine. It is not splitting hairs though, I would much prefer ipad's panel but then I would lose android's flexibility and the spen
As an experiment put a red text in a yellow background and *tell* me that it looks the same to you (same clarity) as in an ipad, because it sure as hell doesn't to me.
Anyway, this thread is about Note 12.2, so imagine it as a thought experiment in an even larger more spread out fashion. Again to many people this is splitting hairs but I think it is more important to let more people learn of the impact of pentile technology than simply call the panel a 2560 x1600 panel and be done with it. I'm surely not as happy to learn about it *after* I bought the tablet, but you're right it may not be that big of a deal, the biggest deal by far (for me) was/is the "milky" blacks and the atrocious gamma raise when looked at from different angles, both not expected from a panel of this calibre. I sure hope that note 12.2 have/had this issue fixed, because especially in such a large panel it would make quite an impact to its picture quality. Much more than the pentile arrangement would (even in principle) be able to make.

Duly.noted said:
Sorry guys for ranting but I keep seeing the same false information over and over again. Your splitting hairs between ridiculously good and slightly more ridiculously good and smaller.......just like that stupid 4:3 is better for reading thing. (IT IS NOT IN ANY WAY BETTER)
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Yes you are ranting, fine if you want to do that, but your rant has almost nothing to do with the post you quoted. It it not about false information, whether the screen was good enough, nor 4:3 ratio. It is about methodology for calculating PPI. That may be interesting for someone comparing a Tab Pro 12.2, Note 10.1 2014, or an ipad.

ddzado said:
I am debating which one to get- the note 10.1 2014 or the tab pro 12.2. Does the screen size make it a must have?
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Here's my input. I had the Note 12.2 for about a week. I returned it without hesitation for the Note 10.1 (14). Why?
1. It's heavier. I came from an original Tab 10.1 and one would think that 4 ounces more isn't a big deal. That's what I kept telling myself. Yet it is. My hand got tired holding it very quickly where it never got tired holding the 10.1.
2. It's larger. Well, you say, that's the point isn't it? Yeah, but there's an odd thing about it being larger, it's harder to hold it. If you remember your physics class then you'll understand that the center of gravity for the 12.2 moves further from the hand than the 10.1. Throw in 4 ounces more weight and the torque applied to the hand makes it uncomfortable to hold in one hand.
3. The screen is just bigger, not better. The apps don't use the real estate better. They're just larger. It's like putting larger buttons on a pushbutton phone. You don't get more buttons, you just get larger ones. It's the same with your TV. A 50" screen has the exact same number of pixels and resolution as a 40" screen, just larger. Now, for us folks getting older one would think that this would be a good thing. It wasn't. It just didn't feel right.
4. Magazine UX. It was fun. For about 30 minutes. Because it was so limited I found it to be boring after a short period of time. I installed Apex.
5. When I combined it with a Zagg hard keyboard case it did a fine job as a desktop device. The keyboard was full sized and easy to use. Felt great. But, then I found myself pulling out my 15.6" laptop for those times instead. After all, if 12.2 is good on the desktop 15.6 is better.
6. One thing that I really liked on the larger screen was the ability to have up to 4 apps running at once. Mult-apps feels cramped on the 10.1" screen and it felt much better on the 12.2" screen.
My comments here are very personal and may only apply to me. They're intended to be a "heads up." Here's what I'd recommend to anyone thinking about getting a 12.2" tablet. Buy it at Best Buy or any other brick and mortar store that permits easy returns. Try it out, you'll know in a few days if it's for you. If you don't like it just return it. No harm done. (Don't do this at Fry's, they charge a 15% restocking fee.)
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Side note on PPI:
PPI doesn't matter. Look at the screen. Run the apps you normally use. Do you like what you see? Yes? That's all that matters. Period.

TabGuy said:
Here's my input. I had the Note 12.2 for about a week. I returned it without hesitation for the Note 10.1 (14). Why?
1. It's heavier. I came from an original Tab 10.1 and one would think that 4 ounces more isn't a big deal. That's what I kept telling myself. Yet it is. My hand got tired holding it very quickly where it never got tired holding the 10.1.
2. It's larger. Well, you say, that's the point isn't it? Yeah, but there's an odd thing about it being larger, it's harder to hold it. If you remember your physics class then you'll understand that the center of gravity for the 12.2 moves further from the hand than the 10.1. Throw in 4 ounces more weight and the torque applied to the hand makes it uncomfortable to hold in one hand.
3. The screen is just bigger, not better. The apps don't use the real estate better. They're just larger. It's like putting larger buttons on a pushbutton phone. You don't get more buttons, you just get larger ones. It's the same with your TV. A 50" screen has the exact same number of pixels and resolution as a 40" screen, just larger. Now, for us folks getting older one would think that this would be a good thing. It wasn't. It just didn't feel right.
4. Magazine UX. It was fun. For about 30 minutes. Because it was so limited I found it to be boring after a short period of time. I installed Apex.
5. When I combined it with a Zagg hard keyboard case it did a fine job as a desktop device. The keyboard was full sized and easy to use. Felt great. But, then I found myself pulling out my 15.6" laptop for those times instead. After all, if 12.2 is good on the desktop 15.6 is better.
6. One thing that I really liked on the larger screen was the ability to have up to 4 apps running at once. Mult-apps feels cramped on the 10.1" screen and it felt much better on the 12.2" screen.
My comments here are very personal and may only apply to me. They're intended to be a "heads up." Here's what I'd recommend to anyone thinking about getting a 12.2" tablet. Buy it at Best Buy or any other brick and mortar store that permits easy returns. Try it out, you'll know in a few days if it's for you. If you don't like it just return it. No harm done. (Don't do this at Fry's, they charge a 15% restocking fee.)
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Side note on PPI:
PPI doesn't matter. Look at the screen. Run the apps you normally use. Do you like what you see? Yes? That's all that matters. Period.
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So I'm hoping to try all this out and see if it bothers me. I've never had a tablet before, but I've used the tablets of others.
I am hoping that I can root the thing and change a couple of the things you were mentioning. For example, I'm on a G2 right now, having the same issues with a bigger screen/apps are just bigger. I changed my LCD density (effectively the screen resolution) and now have a much better use of the real estate on the screen.
Another big test would be if the S-Pen works well on the Tab Pro (yes that's right Tab Pro). You would instantly save $100 minus the difference for buying a stylus. I don't care for the S-Pen software, just the handwriting capability.
I am also nervous about all the bloatware/UX that comes with it... I'm a guy that buys a phone and has it rooted/ROM'd before I go to bed. We'll see how long I last....

TabGuy said:
[/COLOR]Side note on PPI:
PPI doesn't matter. Look at the screen. Run the apps you normally use. Do you like what you see? Yes? That's all that matters. Period.
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There are many of us who like to read , for many hours. Be it literature, articles, long emails. While a screen may look beautiful at first glance after long hours it can and will become tiresome if the PPI is below some threshold. As a reader PPI is the first I look for when buying a new tablet. Fortunately note's pentile handles text beautifully so I suspect it would not be a problem for note 12.2 either

ddzado said:
Another big test would be if the S-Pen works well on the Tab Pro (yes that's right Tab Pro). You would instantly save $100 minus the difference for buying a stylus. I don't care for the S-Pen software, just the handwriting capability.
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It won't work. The tab pro doesn't have an active digitizer. It wouldn't even work as a capacitive stylus. You'd just get nothing.

mustbepbs said:
It won't work. The tab pro doesn't have an active digitizer. It wouldn't even work as a capacitive stylus. You'd just get nothing.
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Well that blows. I mean.. you can draw with your finger... so why wouldn't any stylus work?

ddzado said:
Well that blows. I mean.. you can draw with your finger... so why wouldn't any stylus work?
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A capacitive stylus is made with a material that effects the electrical current of the touchscreen causing it to register as a touch in the same way a finger does. Pieces of metal will register as well. The spen is a active stylus. The tip is a nonconductive rubber or plastic tip and it affects the touchscreen using a magnetic field detected by the digitizer layer. This allows much greater accuracy and by increasing the magnetic force with a button sensitive to pressure allows pressure sensing. However, it would not function on any device that did not have either a resistive touchscreen or digitizer layer.
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