Hey guys i have a request for those who have both galaxy tab 7.7 and galaxy note to upload a video comarision between galaxy tab 7.7 and note both at MAXIMUM BRIGHTNESS.
I have been searching this from months but never got a proper solution
I am in a dilemma between tab 7.7 and note.According to me a mobile device's most important part is its screen and i love samoled screens.I heard that the colour gamut is more poping on samoled plus than samoled hd, thats why i cant decide to buy which one.so plz put some light on my problem.
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Both look good. I have the note and the 7.7.
The colors are really popping on both, especially deep greens and blue.
Whilst the Note does have a pentile display, the higher dpi allows even text to remain solid with very little blurriness.
More important than screen when selecting between the two is that each fills a very specific niche. 7.7 is a very portable tablet with the phone function as a bonus. Note is a phone with the tablet function as a bonus. Which is more important to you?
To be honest, the 7.7 is a lousy phone. The Note is a lousy tablet.
thankx for your guideance
but when i compared my wave s8500 with the galaxy s2,i found that the colours on gs2 are warmer and a bit more poping but the brightness on my s8500 was a bit low.Is this same for note and tab 7.7 ?
also have both devices,
for me it was WAY harder to get an acceptable note screen (swapped almost 15 times) as to get a decent 7.7 (second device)! there are huge threads about the display problems of both devices, i suggest you at least take a short look at them!
the 7.7 has a much better screen i had an international unlocked note but sold it as soon as i bought the 7.7 i dont think anyone who has owned both will tell you the note has a better screen
I dont have the note anymore as i sold it in favor of the 7.7 . Because the note have a smaller screen it will definitely have a more sharper picture because of its higher dpi even if it has an inferior pentile screen but the 7.7 also have a very pleasing screen.
One solution to even increase the tabs brightness and saturation is to go to settings - screen - mode and select dynamic color. You will see the the screens will become even more vivid with more pronounced color.
One of the few things about the 7.7 screen is that:
There is a slight greenish tint when viewing a white screen off angle.
Flesh tones, light tan have a color shift when viewing off angle (probably the green again).
Otherwise, no dead pixels, burned in images, streaks or other defects.
If anything, I can't get the screen dim enough indoors, at full brightness indoors the thing is a flame thrower, outside, the brightness is good.
There are three modes: "dynamic", "normal", and "movie" (as compared to normal)
Dynamic -- strong color boost, strong contrast obliterating bright and dim detail, some edge enhancement.
Normal -- slight color boost, light contrast, some edge enhancement.
Movie -- reasonable color, reasonable contrast, least edge enhancement.
The best overall mode in my opinion is "movie", "normal" will probably satisfy most people and still have the Wow! factor, "dynamic" definitely has the Wow! factor but is probably too much of a good thing and ultimately picture quality suffers.
The power saving option has color settings as well. I think all of those affect the picture negatively (too blue-ish looking).
7.7 is better, I owned Note, then sold it for this. While Note is pleasing to look at, 7.7 is taking it up a notch for me. Owning the device for more than 1 month, I still get wow-ed whenever I turned on my 7.7..
But my nightmare is the screen itself!
Samoled tends to degrade very quick and i just hate those screen burn in ,bacause i own a galaxy s and omg the screen burn in is horrible!
And i also searched xda about 7.7's screen and got to know about the circles,uneven brightnes blah blah blah. . . . .
All these things force me not to buy a samoled device ever.
According to phonearena samoled plus produces more warmer colours than samoled,
is this true for 7.7 and note too?
As per as the the photos on colour gamut section shootout in phonearena its clearly visible that samoled plus produces more darker and vivid colours?
I own both devices. In general, I would say that the Note appears brighter to me than my 7.7
However, the 7.7 has much more accurate and balanced colour reproduction than the Note, especially when using movie mode on both devices. Movie mode is generally warmer and more natural looking.
Don't get me wrong though, both screens are really fantastic in their own rights, and I love both. I just use the 7.7 more often due to its form factor.
In my own opinion, I find the Note to have a better color balance which is more neutral compared to the Tab7.7, side by side the Tab7.7 does offer more saturated colors, lower white brightness and deeper blacks. Disregarding the smaller form factor and the video clipping issue on the Note, I find watching movies on the Note slightly better because it does not crush a lot of shadow details.
Of course not all screens are made and calibrated equally, so my opinion will surely differ from everyone else.
Me too accept that tab 7.7 has one of the best displays available in the market,but what about the burn in issue,dark circles,uneven brightness?
I was thinking of buying the 7.7 in this week but these issues dont allow me to do so . . . .
Perhaps the SAMOLED+ should be treated like plasma screen:
Keep the contrast at a minimum levels for the first 100 hours of use or so.
To me that would mean setting the 7.7 screen mode to "movie" and brightness to about 25% or less and having a less dynamic low contrast background for that time.
You mean if i will set it to low brightness for 1st 100 hours, it wont get that burn in effect?
Super AMOLED Plus, first introduced with the Samsung Galaxy S II and Samsung Droid Charge smartphones, is a further development where the PenTile RGBG pixel matrix (2 subpixels) is replaced with Samsung's "Real Stripe" (3 subpixels) RGB RGB subpixel arrangement. This goes from eight to twelve subpixels per group, resulting in finer details. The screen technology is also brighter, thinner with AMOLED Plus displays being 18% more energy efficient than the old Super AMOLED displays.
HD Super AMOLED is a new Super AMOLED type display from Samsung. The first device to use it is the Galaxy Note: an Android v2.3 phone with a 5.3" 1280x800 display. The phone (and the display) was announced in September 2011. The second device to use it is Samsung's Galaxy Nexus phone - with a 4.65" display with 1280x720 resolution. The higher resolution and dpi were made possible due to a change in materials and new manufacturing process, though still using shadow mask (or fine metal mask (FMM)) technology. However this required a change back to pentile RGBG subpixels
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Super AMOLED Plus (WVGA) — Samsung Galaxy S II, Samsung Droid Charge, Samsung Infuse 4G, Samsung Focus S, Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7
HD Super AMOLED (PenTile, HD) — Galaxy Nexus, Samsung Galaxy Note
Some prices you should know:
LCD-Amoled at the moment a iPhone 4 3.7 inch IPS-LCD cost 38.50 dollars.
4.3 inch Super-Amoled-Plus Galaxy S2 50-55 dollars.
7.7 inch Super-Amoled-Plus (Galaxy Tab 7.7) 150-170 dollars.
Sources : Wikipedia & Sammobile
aboozar.khadivi said:
Super AMOLED Plus, first introduced with the Samsung Galaxy S II and Samsung Droid Charge smartphones, is a further development where the PenTile RGBG pixel matrix (2 subpixels) is replaced with Samsung's "Real Stripe" (3 subpixels) RGB RGB subpixel arrangement.
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Erm, wrong... It's 8 sub-pixels for the PenTile SAMOLED and 12 sub-pixels for the SAMOLED+ "Real Stripe"
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Guys i know the difference b/w samoled+ and samoled hd but my question is how to get rid from those burn in issues,dark circles,uneven brightness etc.
I scecifically want to get rid from the burn in issue because i already have a galaxy s and i can clearly see the horizontal lines,clock etc when on a plain white,grey,green etc colour screen.I can even adjust with the dark circles and uneven brightness because i will mostly be using this on max brightness.
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Erm, wrong... It's 8 sub-pixels for the PenTile SAMOLED and 12 sub-pixels for the SAMOLED+ "Real Stripe"
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You know 8:12 is the same ratio as 2:3, right? In that image, the blocks are of four pixels, so I don't see it as wrong to say that there are two subpixels per pixel on RGBG PenTile, even if it doesn't capture the subtleties of how images are actually displayed. Certainly there is a 2:1 ratio of subpixels to actual pixels in RGBG PenTile vs. 3:1 in RGB stripe.
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Guys i know the difference b/w samoled+ and samoled hd but my question is how to get rid from those burn in issues,dark circles,uneven brightness etc.
I scecifically want to get rid from the burn in issue because i already have a galaxy s and i can clearly see the horizontal lines,clock etc when on a plain white,grey,green etc colour screen.I can even adjust with the dark circles and uneven brightness because i will mostly be using this on max brightness.
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You can't completely remove burn-in, only take steps to mitigate it. Use as much black in your theming/backgrounds as possible. Remove static UI elements like the status bar. Normal advice is also to run lower brightness, though I guess that isn't an option for you.
Any precautions to be taken for 1st few weeks use?
I can see the burn in even in max brightness on my samsung s8500,will i notice the burn in too on 7.7 at max brightness?
My s8500 shows burn in like horizontal faint lines,status bar etc; so apart from the status bar anyhing else like faint horizontal lines on 7.7 after burn in?
Is the status bar burn in noticeable at max brightness?
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If anything, I can't get the screen dim enough indoors, at full brightness indoors the thing is a flame thrower, outside, the brightness is good.
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Look into Screen Filter, or Total Screen Control. I like Total Screen Control better because of the widget and presets, but it is not free.
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i prefer the look of the slcd and was wondering if someone wants to trade? I live in houston, tx and im really looking local. i have a fresh refurb from HTC repair center.
You got a fresh amoled from HTC just recently? Good luck with trade.
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why? what do you mean?
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why? what do you mean?
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I didn't know if they still gave out amoled replacements. I thought they might mostly be slcd
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I didn't know if they still gave out amoled replacements. I thought they might mostly be slcd
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If you send in a AMOLED you should receive an AMOLED back and vise-versa.
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If you send in a AMOLED you should receive an AMOLED back and vise-versa.
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exactly. i tried to get them to send me a slcd for a replacement but, ultimately the repair center i guess calls the shots.
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i prefer the look of the slcd and was wondering if someone wants to trade? I live in houston, tx and im really looking local. i have a fresh refurb from HTC repair center.
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Ok, i need to ask, how the heck do we tell if we have the amoled or slcd version? Because I really want to know.
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Ok, i need to ask, how the heck do we tell if we have the amoled or slcd version? Because I really want to know.
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that's easy, look at the screen hehe
I don't know about the technical way... but there is a simple way... load a black backround.. and if it's not totaly black and you see a washed out black then you have a SLCD, if it's totaly black then it's a AMOLED.
You could probably see in settings or something.
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How anyone can "prefer" the look of SLCD is interesting, I gotta admit. Are there some alternative motives here?
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How anyone can "prefer" the look of SLCD is interesting, I gotta admit. Are there some alternative motives here?[/QUOTE]
Because this is not the only difference.
Amoleds use that pentile pixel pattern, have noticeable gaps between pixels, drain huge amount of power on black text on white background, grossly over-saturate and poorly manage colors, burn in.
So it comes down to your personal preferences. There are a lot of people who are seriously irritated by pentile "drizzle" around small text or that grainy pixellated look due to the big gaps between pixels but don't give a damn about those huge viewing angles or deep blacks which you will distinctly notice only in the night anyway.
So I am also seriously thinking about trading my amoled nexus against another one with slcd.
The amoled advantages are simply irrelevant to me, but the disadvantages really "hurt".
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I'll give you a point on the text..
BUT
Amoled
- uses less power than SLCD (there was a test with 2 Desires 1 amoled 1 SLCD... it played a movie over and over amoled won the race by a few hours of playtime)
- has better colors
- SLCDs have burn in too if you leave it on too long just like AMOLED
- big gaps between pixels? you usually have microscope goggles on when you operate with your phone?
- it does a little better in sunlight
if you get a Swap for your phone then it's ok do whatever. If you're thinking of new phone wait for the uber named.. lol : Super AMOLED Plus screens
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I'll give you a point on the text..
BUT
Amoled
- uses less power than SLCD (there was a test with 2 Desires 1 amoled 1 SLCD... it played a movie over and over amoled won the race by a few hours of playtime)
- has better colors
- SLCDs have burn in too if you leave it on too long just like AMOLED
- big gaps between pixels? you usually have microscope goggles on when you operate with your phone?
- it does a little better in sunlight
if you get a Swap for your phone then it's ok do whatever. If you're thinking of new phone wait for the uber named.. lol : Super AMOLED Plus screens
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I don't consider myself having good vision and the gaps between pixels and orange-red dots on the edges of white text were visible to me the first time I turned on the phone. It's grainy but still better than the iPhone 3G.
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I'll give you a point on the text..
BUT
Amoled
- uses less power than SLCD (there was a test with 2 Desires 1 amoled 1 SLCD... it played a movie over and over amoled won the race by a few hours of playtime)
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I wrote about black text on white background. I.e. typical web page or email, where black pixels typically are in single digit percent area. In this case amoled easily consumes more than double of the LCD power.
Watching movie is very different, where average pixel luminance is just a fraction of that.
If you want technical details look here, around the page 17:
http://data.4dsystems.com.au/downloads/micro-OLED/Docs/4D_AMOLED_Presentation.pdf
Don't know about you, but I almost never watch anything more than random youtube clip once in one or two months. So this advantage is totally irrelevant to me.
But I often use my email or read something up in the web, so that power consumption really hurts. It is actually the difference between "oh, ****, battery is already empty and I have two more hours to go" and "enough for a work day".
- has better colors
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If over-saturated is better to you then yes. And no if someone prefers natural colors.
- SLCDs have burn in too if you leave it on too long just like AMOLED
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Really? I never had a burn in on any of my LCD's. And I got first traces of burn in on my Amoled after a month of careful use. Never set to 100% brightness, never left "on" for extended amounts of time.
- big gaps between pixels? you usually have microscope goggles on when you operate with your phone?
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I do not need any googles, I see those distinct pixels at a normal viewing distance (like 30-40cm). They are apparent enough to be noticeable every time I look at the screen. Every homogeneous area has that weird grainy texture. And I have just a normal vision.
- it does a little better in sunlight
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Actually both are rubbish. But not due to the screen technology, but due to that silver glossy layer under the glass (digitizer I suppose).
if you get a Swap for your phone then it's ok do whatever. If you're thinking of new phone wait for the uber named.. lol : Super AMOLED Plus screens
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They need to show first that they are any better in my usage scenario.
Well SLCD tends to look better in the sunlight, but AMOLED's colors are much more accurate (especially blacks, which look a lot like blues on SLCD).
Super AMOLED is the best of both worlds - decent performance in direct light, great, vivid colors. Too bad only Samsung's Galaxy S phones have SAMOLED displays.
Hopefully super amoled plus will be the best of all worlds. No more pentile
Good to know ill get an amoled version in exchange.
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had mine returned last week after broken amoled screen, with an LCD screen.
this was in the UK though. i'm just as happy with the LCD
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I wrote about black text on white background. I.e. typical web page or email, where black pixels typically are in single digit percent area. In this case amoled easily consumes more than double of the LCD power.
Watching movie is very different, where average pixel luminance is just a fraction of that.
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We know the differences between the technologies. What he's saying is that real world testing has shown otherwise. Engadget tested two Desires and the Amoled had better life. They even swapped batteries between the two phones and got the same results. There was another tech blog who tested Desires and found the same but its name escapes me right now.
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Hopefully super amoled plus will be the best of all worlds. No more pentile
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Remains to be seen.
For example, the Nokia N8 has such a amoled display without pentile matrix. As far as I know produced by Samsung.
If this is an indication of what is coming, then I am not impressed. The color drizzle is gone, but weirdly enough there is a distinct red glow on the right side on the letters (white text on black bacground).
Well SLCD tends to look better in the sunlight, but AMOLED's colors are much more accurate (especially blacks, which look a lot like blues on SLCD).
Super AMOLED is the best of both worlds - decent performance in direct light, great, vivid colors. Too bad only Samsung's Galaxy S phones have SAMOLED displays.
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Blue instead the black on SLCD screens?
Is it some kind of joke?
SAmoled looks better in the sunlight, have no "view angle" and got true black.
But about colors - I dont think SAmoled got the accurate colors. Images/photos on SAmoled looks like they got 200% contrast.
I prefer SLCD.
- uses less power than SLCD (there was a test with 2 Desires 1 amoled 1 SLCD... it played a movie over and over amoled won the race by a few hours of playtime)
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Because they tested it with the movie, which probably got a lot of dark scenes. Super Amoled very good with black color that doest eat the battery, but on full-white scene it consumes about 800mw. LCD - doesnt matter if it black, red or white - power consuming always about 240mw.
Notice that i talking about Super Amoled, because i didnt find any power test of standard amoled and as i know Superamoled is more power efficient than just amoled
Since almost all websites, sms screen and a lot of other things (MIUI rom for example, its almost complete in white) uses white background with black text, not a black background with white text, SLCD will be more better.
- has better colors
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I think LCD got better colors
- SLCDs have burn in too if you leave it on too long just like AMOLED
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Sony Super-LCD is kind of LCD screen, not an OLED. How it can burn?
draugaz said:
Because this is not the only difference.
Amoleds use that pentile pixel pattern, have noticeable gaps between pixels, drain huge amount of power on black text on white background, grossly over-saturate and poorly manage colors, burn in.
So it comes down to your personal preferences. There are a lot of people who are seriously irritated by pentile "drizzle" around small text or that grainy pixellated look due to the big gaps between pixels but don't give a damn about those huge viewing angles or deep blacks which you will distinctly notice only in the night anyway.
So I am also seriously thinking about trading my amoled nexus against another one with slcd.
The amoled advantages are simply irrelevant to me, but the disadvantages really "hurt".
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You have LED Displays confused with Plasma displays lol.
Plasma runs on gas fumes that burn images to its screen if its used in the same area for too long.
LED OLED and AMOLED are perfect battery savers especially on black bacgrouns and with black text it saved loads of battery.
Most reasonable people viewing the GNote pentile screen say it is bright, has high contrast, deep blacks and a sharp image.
It is a 24bit Millions of colours screen.
So why the hatred of pentile?
It's got me f#^ked.
Maybe it is due to old arguments that date back years.
There is an old controversy going around between pentile and LCD proponents, which is apples vs oranges because there are pentile lcd's and rgb oled's.
The controversy is, that pentiles use less sub-pixels and therefore should be rated as such in lower pixel density.
This ignores how vision works, which essentially is an illusion.
To disagree is to dismiss basic Buddhism and modern psychology as well as film theory on visual perception.
At the level of pixels, the illusion of vision breaks down for lcd as well as pentile screens.
So while looking at a pentile screen with a magnifying glass can be scary, it is the same for rgb's.
So why did Samsung go back to using the pentile matrix instead of RGB for the Note?
Only guessing, but some of the advantages of pentile are;
Cuts power consumption in half for equivalent brightness, or
Doubles screen brightness for equivalent power
Achieves higher resolution
Provides flexible settings for color control and power savings
Increases cost savings potential and yield for manufacturers
Accelerates adoption of next-generation devices
Makes text easier to read
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Contrary to the hype, pentiles allow higher resolution, all the while using much less power. Talk about a no-brainer.
One of the limitations of the pentile is a cross hatched pattern seen on the edge of some images, like a border between red and white, when seen up close(with a magnifying glass). This is so at lower pixel densities but "for higher pixel densities you stand to gain from PenTile" ; is the PenTile matrix bad for you?
More technical info:
PenTile blog
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Achieve higher resolution - yes, but already given a 1280 x800 resolution, would you prefer it to be pentile or RGB?
No one is complaining about pentile can give higher resolution, its not like we want 800x480 RGB over 1280x800 pentile. But already given the phone is 1280x800, people would rather it be super amoled plus instead of pentile super amoled.
While pentile consumes less power, super amoled screens sucks power like crazy. It is a fact. But that said, i still think the screen is gorgreous. however if you let me choose - RGB over pentile any day.
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Achieve higher resolution - yes, but already given a 1280 x800 resolution, would you prefer it to be pentile or RGB?
No one is complaining about pentile can give higher resolution, its not like we want 800x480 RGB over 1280x800 pentile. But already given the phone is 1280x800, people would rather it be super amoled plus instead of pentile super amoled.
While pentile consumes less power, super amoled screens sucks power like crazy. It is a fact. But that said, i still think the screen is gorgreous. however if you let me choose - RGB over pentile any day.
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Given a 1280 x800 resolution, I would prefer it to be pentile as it will look better.
Perceived resolution.
Pentile consumes 50% less power than RGB.
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Pentile consumes 50% less power than RGB.
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Well if you are not talking about super amoled, then yes a pentile layout consumes theoretically 33% less power.
If you are strictly comparing pentile RGBG/RGBW to RGB, pentile looks like sh*t i gotta say. At least my atrix did.
Pentile also ages better than sRGB amoled, because the lifespan of the organic amoled subpixels are different from color to color. The pentile ages better because there are simply more subpixels of the color which has the lowest lifespan.
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Pentile also ages better than sRGB amoled, because the lifespan of the organic amoled subpixels are different from color to color. The pentile ages better because there are simply more subpixels of the color which has the lowest lifespan.
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The color which has the lowest lifespan is blue, from what i can recall)
How does RGBG or RGBW have more blue subpixels than RGB? (I am only asking just wanted to know.)
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Well if you are not talking about super amoled, then yes a pentile layout consumes theoretically 33% less power.
If you are strictly comparing pentile RGBG/RGBW to RGB, pentile looks like sh*t i gotta say. At least my atrix did.
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Well, comparing the Note screen(pentile) to the SGII screen(rgb), opinions vary, but the Note screen looks better to me.
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The color which has the lowest lifespan is blue, from what i can recall)
How does RGBG or RGBW have more blue subpixels than RGB? (I am only asking just wanted to know.)
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More green than blue.
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Well, comparing the Note screen(pentile) to the SGII screen(rgb), opinions vary, but the Note screen looks better to me.
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Actually I gotta agree with you on that. My gf had a SGS II and that blue tint bugged the hell outta me. I dont know what they done to it, but i dont think it was a problem with it being RGB.
Pentile suffers from strange color tints on whites.
Hard time rendering shades of gray.
Strange artifacts in low-light conditions.
Ofc all noise is camouflaged by the high resolution.
I would trade for the S-LCD screen of the Rezound any-day,
the only problem with that screen is that it could use abit deeper blacks.
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Pentile suffers from strange color tints on whites.
Hard time rendering shades of gray.
Strange artifacts in low-light conditions.
Ofc all noise is camouflaged by the high resolution.
I would trade for the SRGB screen of the Rezound any-day,
the only problem with that screen is that it could use abit deeper blacks.
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I think this is related to OLED and not Pentile.
The Note screen does seem bluish to me when seen from an angle.
I don't see problems with grey on the Note.
I have view gradients to test the 24bit resolution and if viewed in a 24bit app, 24bit images look fine, otherwise not, but this is not an intrinsic fault of the Note's screen, only of the low res images or apps.
I'm not going to go back through and quote people, but some people said some things that are downright incorrect. Pentile does NOT "increase the resolution." It does exactly the opposite, decreasing it. Pentile has half the red subpixels and half the blue subpixels that RGB does; that means overall, pentile only has 2/3 the pixel elements that an RGB screen has. You can't display more information with fewer pixel elements.
The unpleasant artifacts I notice on pentile screens are small text, lines, graphics, appear fuzzy and sometimes colored on the edges, and when I look at solid colors that use red and blue (i.e.just about everything but solid green) especially white, I get this screen door effect. It's almost like there's a bit of checkerboard pattern to the solid color rather than being uniform. Hold your phone closer to your face and look at a solid white area, especially try to find a solid white area that is next to a solid green area with the brightness turned up all the way and you'll really see what I'm talking about.
Pentile doesn't necessarily use less energy than RGB. There are fewer subpixels, but they're twice as large and put out twice as much light. Energy in = light out. So in theory, the energy should be exactly the same. Perhaps they've found some way to do pentile a little more efficiently on some phones, but it's not an overall rule at all.
Pentile is used because it allows them to make the blues twice as big. Since they had a problem with short life span on those, making them twice as big made them hardier, longer lived, and higher yields in the manufacturing process. That's the ONLY reason for pentile. You could say this allows manufacturers to build higher resolution displays than they otherwise would be capable of (since they're cheating and using larger blues than an RGB would have) but a 1280x800 pentile is NOT "higher resolution" than a 1280x800 RGB! According to definition, they're the exact same resolution, but in reality, the pentile is lower in resolution.
RGB is ALWAYS better than pentile as far as image quality. The reason the Note's screen looks better than the SGSII, even though the SGSII had RGB, is simply because it has a much higher resolution. The benefits from that outweigh the negatives of pentile.
Here's a pic I put together showing the differences, even though you can find the same thing elsewhere on the net:
Thanks for summing that up =) Can we go on now and accept Sammy's gone cheap on us?
I really am not too bothered about what screen the phone uses as long as it looks good, i do think to me it looks fantastic. Lovely and bright and it displays a fantastic picture. If people dont like a particular screen a phone uses then they have the choice not to buy it. Some posts in here are very informative so in that respect thanks. However people that ***** about the phones screen (not necessarily in this thread) have the choice to return it and wait for the screen of their choice to come out.
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The unpleasant artifacts I notice .......
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The general public isn't noticing these artifacts, which makes me think they made the right decision on this one. After all, the General public would definitely notice a higher battery drain. I won't pretend to know the technical details about why Pentile battery usage < RGB.
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Hold your phone closer to your face and look at a solid white area .... with the brightness turned up all the way and you'll really see what I'm talking about.
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Probably - but it's not interesting if that's not how you generally use your phone.
I wish I could find the interview, but they interviewed a samsung executive who was quite candid about the whole thing. He said quite clearly that Amoled + is sharper than Pentile. But he said that they went Pentile because in terms of sharpness, Amoled is good enough (i.e. still fantastic) - production is better (i.e. it's cheaper to make) and uses less battery power.
And they are correct. I've watched/read many many reviews of the GNote. For the most part, they all rave about the Screen, complain about the price, and are happy with the battery.
It would have been a mistake to put AMOLED+ in, and have the reviews (still) rave about the Screen, be even more turned off by the price, and only be 'okay' with the battery. (perhaps even complaining about it, saying 'Luckily it has a huge battery, because otherwise you'd be toast)
The GNote is already a niche device - you want to widen its appeal as much as possible.
- Frank
Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with my Note, including the screen. Search my posts and you'll see me say that several times. I'm a long time pentile hater from the day I first powered on my nexus one and started wondering what was wrong with the screen. Yet I've said several times that the Note's so awesome and the screen otherwise so beautiful that I'm able to overlook the pentile layout.
However I'm not going to read people claiming that pentile is better than RGB without speaking up, because it's not.
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Pentile does NOT "increase the resolution." It does exactly the opposite, decreasing it
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Pentile is used because it allows them to make the blues twice as big. Since they had a problem with short life span on those, making them twice as big made them hardier, longer lived, and higher yields in the manufacturing process. That's the ONLY reason for pentile. You could say this allows manufacturers to build higher resolution displays than they otherwise would be capable of (since they're cheating and using larger blues than an RGB would have) but a 1280x800 pentile is NOT "higher resolution" than a 1280x800 RGB! According to definition, they're the exact same resolution, but in reality, the pentile is lower in resolution.
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(This isn't meant to be a hostile response, I apologise if it comes across that way - it's absolutely not intended)
It doesn't directly, no. But you then go on to point out exactly how it enables much higher pixel densities - in an RGB layout each sub-pixel is the same size, so they need to make the blue sub-pixel at a viable size (as you said,) then make green and red sub-pixels that are the same size again.
On a PenTile screen, they can print the blue sub-pixel at it's required size, but the green component can be much smaller - and as a result, you can fit more pixels into the same space. If you compare the Galaxy Nexus's 316ppi PenTile screen to the S2's 216ppi RGB screen, you'll find that the blue and red sub-pixels are actually of a comparable width.
Sure RGBRGB is technically superior to RGBG in terms of image quality, but after a certain pixel-density:distance ratio, it just doesn't matter anymore, and allows for a greater pixel density regardless of display technology.
As a point of curiosity (I know you gave this first point, I'm just elaborating,) resolution is a measure of the number of horizontal or vertical alternating black and white lines a display can produce while maintaining a certain level of contrast. PenTile screens actually are their advertised resolution. However low-density RGBG will lose some detail in reds, but greens are still fine, and the human eye can't see enough detail in blue to tell a difference there. That's in general though - obviously there are biological differences in people, and that is where the legitimate complaints come from - not from holding a phone 3 inches from your face.
As for whether RGB or PenTile is better - consider that the Galaxy Nexus's 4.65" screen could fit either 1280x720 RG/BG pixels, or 960x540 RGB pixels, and it's too dense to be able to tell the difference in sub-pixel arrangement. I think PenTile actually is better in that case.
small dots and big dots
okay so everyone is forgetting that not so long ago printers used to print using
only one size dot of ink. well the picture from same size dots looked grainy. so the print people came up with different size dots of ink to make the pictures look
amazing. i look at the pentile displays the same way. in comparison the
screens on rgb screens look blocky to me and those on pentile look smoother and
less grainy. iphone just shrank the dots to where the human eye can't detect
them. but i believe to acheive the same thing on a larger screen isn't very
pratical. that's where different size pixels will make images appear smooth.
Some great info that dispels some pentile myths can be found here - http://pentileblog.com/uncategorized/pentile-for-720-hd-oled-smartphones/.
Put simply, a lot of the criticisms of pentile displays are only relevant to particular implementations, and not necessarily to the technology.
Regards,
Dave
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I looked at the Note screen under a loupe and I could see a serrated edge along the top of white text on a black bacground. If I looked at it normally I couldn't tell. In this case the pentile doesn't bug me.
What DOES bug me is the low color depth that the Note displays. It is odd as it is inconsistant. If I look at photos it is fine. Some apps though look like the color depth is drastically reduced. Two apps to test are Angry birds Rio, and Google Sky. In AB look at the sky and clouds on the title screen, the shades all blend smooth on other devices (checked on an Infuse). On the Note there is severe color loss and much banding evident. Same with google sky There are these sky gradients, smoother on other OLED screens like the Infuse, much more bandy on the Note. I don't know why on some things like photos the note looks fine, but in many apps color loss and banding is evident. Maybe it is some weird incompatibility of the apps? Maybe they mis-read the screen capability and drop to low color mode? I don't know but it is weird and bothers me much more than the pentile matrix.
So before I post this i'd just like to say this is my 1st post, and because of that I was not able to share links to the websites that I wanted to. So if you would like to visit the websites that I point to where I have only quotes with no links, just Google "oled-info note 2 display" and the first website to come up should be where I posted essentially the same thing and you can see the websites I am pointing to. Thanks!
Ok so all of the talk on different articles and forums about the Note 2's display about it not being a pentile, but also not being the SAMOLED+ with the typical RGB stripe got me thinking. Before the pentile discussion began to get heated all over the web, everyone was concerned about their phones' PPI. But obviously once the pentile displays came out and veered away from the typical RGB stripe (maybe there have been other display types b4 the pentile but that’s kind of irrelevant to the point I am going to make) there became a whole ‘nother thing to consider when it came to display clarity. IMHO this clarity comes down to the smallest part that makes up the picture, and that, for all intents and purposes, is the sub-pixel, not the pixel itself.
Now personally when the Note 2 was 1st announced I was pissed that Samsung decided to make the screen bigger and lower the pixel count because I currently have the S3 with Sprint and for me personally, the bigger the screen the better because I use my phone for TV and movies all the time. Now I understood that they wanted to have a 16:9 aspect ratio, but then why not just increase the horizontal, or both, resolution, not decrease the vertical! Especially since it was not a SAMOLED+, but just a regular SAMOLED which obviously meant another pentile right? But then I started reading into the screen and found out that even though it does not follow the typical RGB stripe, it does in fact have all 3 red, green & blue sub-pixels in each pixel instead of sharing pixels like the pentile does, which is shown very clearly in this picture:"".
So this got me curious because as I stated before, at least to my eyes, the sub-pixel count seems to have a greater affect on image quality than just the pixel count itself, which to me was proven when I got my Sprint Galaxy S2 and even though it had the same number of pixels with a .52" larger screen than my original Galaxy S, the screen clarity on my S2 was noticeably better which, if you dont consider the sub-pixel difference, should not be true. So I decided to do a comparison between what I am going to call the "SPPI" (Sub-Pixels Per Inch) of the original Note, the S3, and the Note 2 as I own a S3 and as much as I would love to have a larger screen, I really would not be happy with the huge loss of quality that would normally come when you stretch the same amount of pixels by .7" as the S2 has a 4.8" screen and the Note 2's display is 5.5", and what I found out really surprised me.
So here's the math of how I got to my conclusions. 1st of all according to the information from Samsung that can be found here: "" the sub-pixel count on the SAMOLED WVGA screen is 768,000 and for the SAMOLED+ WVGA screen it is 1,152,000. Now a WVGA screen is 800x480, which comes to 384,000 total pixels, the Note 1 is 1280x800 which = 1,024,000 and the S3 and Note 2 both are 1280x720 equaling 921,600. Now at this point I needed to figure out the number of sub-pixels on each phone by doing a simple algebraic comparison of the number of pixels to sub-pixels between the WVGA screen and each one of the other phones, which is done here:
Note 1: 384,000/768,000=1,024,000/x and x = 2,048,000 sub-pixels
Galaxy S3: 384,000/768,000=921,600/x and x = 1,843,200 sub-pixels
Note 2: 384,000/1,152,000=921,600/x and x= 2,764,800 sub-pixels
Now at his point I needed to take the aspect ratio of each phone, which is 16:10 for the 1st Note and 16:9 for the other 2 phones, and use the formula on this website to get the horizontal and vertical “sub-pixel resolution”: "". In doing this I came up with the following resolutions:
Note 1: 1,810 x 1,131
Galaxy S3: 1,810 x 1,018
Note 2: 2,217 x 1,247
I then put that information in with the screen sizes in this website: "" and came up with the following “SPPI” results:
Note 1: 402.7 “SPPI”
Galaxy S3: 432.6 “SPPI”
Note 2: 462.5 “SPPI”
So in a similar scenario as the Galaxy S vs. S2 screen clarity comparison, as long as my calculations are correct, theoretically not only should the Note 2 have a better clarity than the original one despite having a larger screen and lower resolution, it should also be clearer than the Galaxy S3! I have to say I was shocked at that and very much look forward to actually holding one in my hand to compare against my S3. I’d like to hear some opinions as to whether in general people agree or disagree with what I came up with here and for anyone that has held the S3 and Note 2 side by side if these calculations hold up in the real world.
Thanks!
-Brian
**Quick edit: as someone on a different site pointed out to me, the screen size on the Note 2 is actually 5.55", not 5.5". So according to the members.ping.de dpi/ppi calculator that I used for this calculation, the "SPPI" for that device would actually be 458.3. Not that it really makes any difference, but if I'm gonna do all this work I might as well do it right
In the words of Mythbusters.... "myth, plausible" lol
Swyped from my finger to your face, on my Samsung Galaxy Note.
What you say it's completely true... What you call sub pixel its just a diode led... So adding more leds per pixel gives you better quality.. Indeed the pixels are Rgb and not pentile as someone will try to say here... Does not matters how are they arranged a red/green/blue pixel its an Rgb pixel... That said your math are to complicated and it's easier..
It's 1280x720 =921600 pixels note 2
For Rgb its 921600x3= 2764800 sub pixels or leds but distributed in 921600 leds of each color
It's 1280x800 = 1024000 pixels note 1
For pentile its 1024000x2=2048000 sub pixels or leds because it's 2 leds per pixel distributed in 2048000x¼ red + 2048000x¼ blue + 2048000x ½green
So clearly Rgb arrangement has way more leds than pentile arrangements and finally as easy as
2764800÷5.55=498162 leds per inch in the Rgb arrangement and
2048000÷5.3=386415 leds per inch in the pentile arrangement
So that's why note 2 screen its way better than note 1 screen
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This makes me even more excited to get my hands on one
How would it compare to the Galaxy nexus screen though?
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Balsta said:
This makes me even more excited to get my hands on one
How would it compare to the Galaxy nexus screen though?
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Because the S3 and Nexus are both pentile displays with a 1280x720 res, they both have 1,843,200 sub-pixels and if u put that into the same ppi calculator as I used b4, inputting the same horizontal and vertical resolutions and just changing the screen size to 4.65", it comes out to 446.6 "SPPI" which is still less than the note 2
c'est bien ça.
How many sspi does my so old galaxy s have?
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Awesome read
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Not bothered.
Will you honestly notice the difference? At a glance I doubt it very much. If you are in a dark room and staring at it for long periods I'd start thinking about the refresh rate than the pxl density what is the refresh on all of these anyway?
GramiFIN said:
How many sspi does my so old galaxy s have?
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The original Galaxy S has a total of 768,000 sub-pixels and an aspect ratio of 5:3, making the number of horizontal & vertical sub-pixels 1,131x679 on a 4" screen which once again according to members.ping.de ppi/dpi calculator the "SPPI" would be 329.8. So the difference between that and the Note 2 should be pretty significant!
briang8510 said:
So before I post this i'd just like to say this is my 1st post, and because of that I was not able to share links to the websites that I wanted to. So if you would like to visit the websites that I point to where I have only quotes with no links, just Google "oled-info note 2 display" and the first website to come up should be where I posted essentially the same thing and you can see the websites I am pointing to. Thanks!
Ok so all of the talk on different articles and forums about the Note 2's display about it not being a pentile, but also not being the SAMOLED+ with the typical RGB stripe got me thinking. Before the pentile discussion began to get heated all over the web, everyone was concerned about their phones' PPI. But obviously once the pentile displays came out and veered away from the typical RGB stripe (maybe there have been other display types b4 the pentile but that’s kind of irrelevant to the point I am going to make) there became a whole ‘nother thing to consider when it came to display clarity. IMHO this clarity comes down to the smallest part that makes up the picture, and that, for all intents and purposes, is the sub-pixel, not the pixel itself.
Now personally when the Note 2 was 1st announced I was pissed that Samsung decided to make the screen bigger and lower the pixel count because I currently have the S3 with Sprint and for me personally, the bigger the screen the better because I use my phone for TV and movies all the time. Now I understood that they wanted to have a 16:9 aspect ratio, but then why not just increase the horizontal, or both, resolution, not decrease the vertical! Especially since it was not a SAMOLED+, but just a regular SAMOLED which obviously meant another pentile right? But then I started reading into the screen and found out that even though it does not follow the typical RGB stripe, it does in fact have all 3 red, green & blue sub-pixels in each pixel instead of sharing pixels like the pentile does, which is shown very clearly in this picture:"".
So this got me curious because as I stated before, at least to my eyes, the sub-pixel count seems to have a greater affect on image quality than just the pixel count itself, which to me was proven when I got my Sprint Galaxy S2 and even though it had the same number of pixels with a .52" larger screen than my original Galaxy S, the screen clarity on my S2 was noticeably better which, if you dont consider the sub-pixel difference, should not be true. So I decided to do a comparison between what I am going to call the "SPPI" (Sub-Pixels Per Inch) of the original Note, the S3, and the Note 2 as I own a S3 and as much as I would love to have a larger screen, I really would not be happy with the huge loss of quality that would normally come when you stretch the same amount of pixels by .7" as the S2 has a 4.8" screen and the Note 2's display is 5.5", and what I found out really surprised me.
So here's the math of how I got to my conclusions. 1st of all according to the information from Samsung that can be found here: "" the sub-pixel count on the SAMOLED WVGA screen is 768,000 and for the SAMOLED+ WVGA screen it is 1,152,000. Now a WVGA screen is 800x480, which comes to 384,000 total pixels, the Note 1 is 1280x800 which = 1,024,000 and the S3 and Note 2 both are 1280x720 equaling 921,600. Now at this point I needed to figure out the number of sub-pixels on each phone by doing a simple algebraic comparison of the number of pixels to sub-pixels between the WVGA screen and each one of the other phones, which is done here:
Note 1: 384,000/768,000=1,024,000/x and x = 2,048,000 sub-pixels
Galaxy S3: 384,000/768,000=921,600/x and x = 1,843,200 sub-pixels
Note 2: 384,000/1,152,000=921,600/x and x= 2,764,800 sub-pixels
Now at his point I needed to take the aspect ratio of each phone, which is 16:10 for the 1st Note and 16:9 for the other 2 phones, and use the formula on this website to get the horizontal and vertical “sub-pixel resolution”: "". In doing this I came up with the following resolutions:
Note 1: 1,810 x 1,131
Galaxy S3: 1,810 x 1,018
Note 2: 2,217 x 1,247
I then put that information in with the screen sizes in this website: "" and came up with the following “SPPI” results:
Note 1: 402.7 “SPPI”
Galaxy S3: 432.6 “SPPI”
Note 2: 462.5 “SPPI”
So in a similar scenario as the Galaxy S vs. S2 screen clarity comparison, as long as my calculations are correct, theoretically not only should the Note 2 have a better clarity than the original one despite having a larger screen and lower resolution, it should also be clearer than the Galaxy S3! I have to say I was shocked at that and very much look forward to actually holding one in my hand to compare against my S3. I’d like to hear some opinions as to whether in general people agree or disagree with what I came up with here and for anyone that has held the S3 and Note 2 side by side if these calculations hold up in the real world.
Thanks!
-Brian
**Quick edit: as someone on a different site pointed out to me, the screen size on the Note 2 is actually 5.55", not 5.5". So according to the members.ping.de dpi/ppi calculator that I used for this calculation, the "SPPI" for that device would actually be 458.3. Not that it really makes any difference, but if I'm gonna do all this work I might as well do it right
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i calculated this back in august:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30908958#post30908958
tml1504 said:
right, pentile is not limited to RGBG
BUT: as the pics from verve showed it looks like we get a real RGB matrix (not the regular stripe, but still RGB)!
for us this means that the note 2 will have 50% (2x1,5=3) more subpixels (actually lesser because of the lesser resolution, see calc afterwards), and due to this fact it's almost sure that the "disadvantage" (in terms of DPI) of having a slightly bigger screen will be overcompensated by this fact!
some maths:
note 1: 1.280x800x2 = 2.048.000 subpixels
note 2: 1280x720x3= 2.764.800 subpixels
in total this is an increase of exactly 35% in terms of subpixels!
additionally the manufacturing quality of OLED screens from samsung increased during the last year, so i guess that at least the screen will be a real improvement! and i tend to say that 2gb ram will also make a feel-able difference!
don't get me wrong, i'm also a little bit disappointed about the specs,
but over all they are worth upgrading, at least from my point of view!
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i calculated this back in august:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30908958#post30908958
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My apologies, I would have given you credit for finding out the total number of sub-pixels for those 2 phones in my post if I had seen it. It would have eliminated the need for me to have to figure it out to get to my conclusion. But I was more looking to find how many sub-pixels per inch there were more so than just how many total because I feel like having that allows for a good mental idea of how the screen clarity will compare to peoples' current phones. For example I have the S3 right now so I wanted to do this comparison so I could have some idea of whether or not the clarity will be comparable to that phone since it has a .75" smaller screen with the same resolution. Come to find out that theoretically it should be better and. Thats more why I created this post.. Once again though I apologize for not giving you credit where deserved
What about HTC ONE X? I am afraid of changing HOX for Note2 because the screen of HOX is perfect
Castellano2 said:
What about HTC ONE X? I am afraid of changing HOX for Note2 because the screen of HOX is perfect
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Well before I give you the figure I have to say first that all the screens I have been comparing so far have been Super AMOLED screens. And organic LED screens are VERY different than regular IPS LCD screens. I actually owned a HTC ONE X for a little while because I didn't want to have another pentile display because I was worried that the S3 would look kind of grainy like the original Galaxy S. So I upgraded from the S2 to the One X and within 2 days I couldn't take it and returned it for an S3(which ended up looking amazing). But when I had the HTC I even missed the 800x480 display on my S2, and that's because even though the One X has a VERY clear screen as far as not having any pixelation, the LED screens on the Samsung, IMHO, blow away the LCDs on One X. The blacks are actually totally black, not just dark gray lol, the colors are sooo much brighter and saturated because the contrast ratio is technically infinite as compared to I believe 1400:1 on the One X. So compared to the S3 the colors just look washed out. Now there are some people out there who don't like the colors being so intense, but I believe that it just makes everything you watch on your phone just so much more enjoyable. And as I said not everyone agrees but if you never used an S3, go to the store and put your phone side by side and you will notice a TINY bit more pixelation (I mean your nose basically has to be touching the phone lol) but MUCH brighter colors and MUCH deeper blacks. And because of the difference of how the LED screens display as compared to the LCDs just the numbers really aren't going to tell the whole story. So I would STRONGLY recommend not letting the numbers deter you from at least checking the Note 2 out in person. (If you couldn't tell by now I'm a strong advocate of Samsung's LED screens lol, but for good reason) So after that long-winded speech the simple answer is the One X has a "SPPI" of 541.2 lol
S3 #1
hell ya, i just wan the new Note 2...
but will it be Kernel Brick-free?... zzzz.....
btw the screen should be awesome... long live Super Amoled
Very interesting information.
Just want to get my hands on the Note 2!
I was only disappointed by the screen resolution But this thread changed my mind, might switch to note 2 from S2, I still think the screen is big but the S-Pen and it's features are too much attractive :silly:
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briang8510 said:
My apologies, I would have given you credit for finding out the total number of sub-pixels for those 2 phones in my post if I had seen it. It would have eliminated the need for me to have to figure it out to get to my conclusion. But I was more looking to find how many sub-pixels per inch there were more so than just how many total because I feel like having that allows for a good mental idea of how the screen clarity will compare to peoples' current phones. For example I have the S3 right now so I wanted to do this comparison so I could have some idea of whether or not the clarity will be comparable to that phone since it has a .75" smaller screen with the same resolution. Come to find out that theoretically it should be better and. Thats more why I created this post.. Once again though I apologize for not giving you credit where deserved
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no probs, i just wanted to tell you...
briang8510 said:
Well before I give you the figure I have to say first that all the screens I have been comparing so far have been Super AMOLED screens. And organic LED screens are VERY different than regular IPS LCD screens. I actually owned a HTC ONE X for a little while because I didn't want to have another pentile display because I was worried that the S3 would look kind of grainy like the original Galaxy S. So I upgraded from the S2 to the One X and within 2 days I couldn't take it and returned it for an S3(which ended up looking amazing). But when I had the HTC I even missed the 800x480 display on my S2, and that's because even though the One X has a VERY clear screen as far as not having any pixelation, the LED screens on the Samsung, IMHO, blow away the LCDs on One X. The blacks are actually totally black, not just dark gray lol, the colors are sooo much brighter and saturated because the contrast ratio is technically infinite as compared to I believe 1400:1 on the One X. So compared to the S3 the colors just look washed out. Now there are some people out there who don't like the colors being so intense, but I believe that it just makes everything you watch on your phone just so much more enjoyable. And as I said not everyone agrees but if you never used an S3, go to the store and put your phone side by side and you will notice a TINY bit more pixelation (I mean your nose basically has to be touching the phone lol) but MUCH brighter colors and MUCH deeper blacks. And because of the difference of how the LED screens display as compared to the LCDs just the numbers really aren't going to tell the whole story. So I would STRONGLY recommend not letting the numbers deter you from at least checking the Note 2 out in person. (If you couldn't tell by now I'm a strong advocate of Samsung's LED screens lol, but for good reason) So after that long-winded speech the simple answer is the One X has a "SPPI" of 541.2 lol
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another thing:
i'm with you that amoled is superb to lcd,
but few things about their disadvantages:
possible burn-ins
much more energy consumption as most people think
almost all displays have some tint (mostly yellowish or blueish), due to
big production (quality) differences between screens (had to cherry-pick my perfect one out of over ten (!) devices), there are a lot of threads about this. in short: screens from the middle of the 'wafer' are best, the more from the off-center your screen got cut out the more tint and uneveness you would have). this is due to the 'old' lithography process used, the new one (hope they used it with note 2 screens) with fine metal masks and perhaps lasers should improve this dramatically!
litte oversaturated, almost ever a not so good low grey level seperation (and often a bad gamma or mdnie factory calibration as well), search for gamma.png and or 'black crush' where low greys got cut-off
about contrast:
technically impossible to be oo!
black is NOT 100% black, as every (!) active oled screen emits a very small amount of light when active! also lots of threads regarding that, try it out: go into a totaly dark environment, display a black image and,VERY IMPORTANT, let your eyes accomodate for 1min! then look at the screen also with this method you will notice the uneveness and lithography projected dirt (dust) particles as with a microscope!
don't get me wrong, i love my amoled screen and i do not want to sound like a teacher!
but one has to be aware about this things as well...
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I was playing around with the GS4 yesterday and the screen probably impressed me the most. I held it next to the GS3 and it was quite a bit better: sharper and brighter.
I haven't had the opportunity to look at the One yet, but I have to think the GS4 is a strong contender for the best phone screen. Of course it depends on your preference for AMOLED versus LCD; I probably prefer the former.
So to those who have been using the phone: how would you rate the screen? Do you consider it a big jump over the GS3 and how would you compare it to other phone screens, especially the One?
Strategist said:
I was playing around with the GS4 yesterday and the screen probably impressed me the most. I held it next to the GS3 and it was quite a bit better: sharper and brighter.
I haven't had the opportunity to look at the One yet, but I have to think the GS4 is a strong contender for the best phone screen. Of course it depends on your preference for AMOLED versus LCD; I probably prefer the former.
So to those who have been using the phone: how would you rate the screen? Do you consider it a big jump over the GS3 and how would you compare it to other phone screens, especially the One?
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WAY better than GS3 but trades shots with the One.
I prefer a larger screen with true blacks so I prefer the GS4's screen. If you prefer a smaller screen and colour accuracy then the One's screen would be better.
"The best" is highly subjective. For instance, if you prefer outdoor visibility, it's still nowhere near iPhone or the One. That said, I prefer (properly calibrated) AMOLEDs for the contrast ratios and superior blacks despite all the drawbacks
Personal preference, really.
I have a One, and I have had a look at the S4 display. I have to say both displays look great.
You like Amoled then this is the best, if you like LCD real colors then One is the best. Personally prefer the One display.
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It really depends on your preference. I have owned all the Galaxys, and some sony/HTC`s and i will say it is not.
There is no doubt the S4 screen is amazing, but only when it comes to colours. After using the S4 for a period of time, my eyes is starting to get tired. And thats because of the deep, saturated colours.
In the end it comes up to your personal preference. For me the Xperia Z/One is the best one. Nothing beats watching a movie on an LCD-panel.
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While I love the screen on my GS4, I must humbly admit the SLCD3 screen in the HTC One is superior. While the blacks aren't completely black because it can't shut off pixels like AMOLED does, it's blacks are however very very impressive, color accuracy and sharpness are also more superior on the HTC One as well (the S4's Adobe RGB mode, aka (Professional photo) looks off a bit, especially on reds, so don't be fooled into thinking this option will make up for the inferior color accuracy). The only downside to the HTC One's screen, is it's only 4.7" which is a knock in my opinion as I prefer a larger screen.
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It really depends on your preference. I have owned all the Galaxys, and some sony/HTC`s and i will say it is not.
There is no doubt the S4 screen is amazing, but only when it comes to colours. After using the S4 for a period of time, my eyes is starting to get tired. And thats because of the deep, saturated colours.
In the end it comes up to your personal preference. For me the Xperia Z/One is the best one. Nothing beats watching a movie on an LCD-panel.
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So use Adobe RGB mode...
No it has really bad ghosting.
One of the best. I've recently switched to "movie mode" as various professional display reviewers have noted this mode as having the most accurate colors and I've been loving it. Feels more like an LCD which I used to prefer. I was also surprised at the amount of additional detail I'm seeing in movie mode that were not present in standard (for instance, the tapatalk app icon)
You will need a day to adjust from standard mode, but once you do I'm betting the standard will be hard to look at for you.
The resolution and PPI speak for themselves, obviously.
Edit: great info here http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm
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Note 2 screen looks great. No pen tile.
my gnote2 is bigger than your puny iPhone.
The s4 screen has a wow factor since the colors pop and the blacks are inky. The One's screen is great too much IMHO, the I prefer the S4 since it is bigger and more vibrant. The One's screen is like looking at the Iphone's screen but bigger since even on the Iphone you can't see pixels so it didn't wow me as much.
Guys i just compared my s3 to also mine s4 and must say the s3 display is sharper and I see more details on it. I just run few same clips on both. Can someone confirm it.
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Samsung displays are horrible when it's outside in bright sunlight.
If you want vibrant colours they are the best. If you want realistic I'd say the One and iPhone 5 are the best. The movie mode is very good on the S4 but it's not as well calibrated as the iPhone 5s screen. Looking in the forum the S4 has ghosting/smearing and some weird pink tint issues. AMOLED screens also are poor in daylight and can get burn in.
Now that it has an option to show accurate colors. Displaymate rate it on par with iPhone 5 which is rated as the best LCD screen they tested in a mobile phone. For me SGS4 is the best out there simply because it offers best of both worlds. There is a mode to show vibrant colors which I personally like especially when watching movies. LCD will pale in comparison next to AMOLED which can show pitch black . It is still Pentile arrangement however I tried hard looking closely as I can and men I can't see any pixels or cross hatch pattern that I can detect on SGS3. I even think that it's icons are much sharper compared to iPhone 5. Now that the Pentile weakness has been totally eliminated by ridiculous 441 pixels per inch. Is there another phone out there that can beat this in terms of display?
From Displayemate which is world renowned for display diagnostics
Comparing the Galaxy S4 with the LCD Display on the iPhone 5:
The iPhone 5 is now more than half way through its product cycle, which is important to keep in mind for our comparison. However, high-end LCDs like the iPhone 5 are a very mature and refined display technology, so other than screen size, resolution, and the Pixels Per Inch not much is likely to change in the next generation, no matter what Apple decides to do. The iPhone 5 is significantly brighter than the Galaxy S4, particularly for screens with mostly peak white backgrounds. Its color calibration is a bit better, although the Galaxy S4 has a more accurate White. The Galaxy S4 has a much bigger screen, higher resolution, higher PPI, much darker blacks, and better screen uniformity than the iPhone 5. They each have their own particular strengths and weaknesses, but if you scan our color coordinated Comparison Table below, both displays are quite good and comparable overall – so it’s currently a tie – we’ll see how they both evolve and improve in the next generation…
http://www.displaymate.com/
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm#Table
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Note 2 screen looks great. No pen tile.
my gnote2 is bigger than your puny iPhone.
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With the current pentile matrix they are using and as high density as the 1080P display is, it doesn't affect the quality of the display.
Pentile really is no longer a useable arguement.
Seriously guys, calibration is not an issue. As long as you can get rid of that blue tint, I'm sure you'll get Perseus kernel with top calibration. I do on my Note II and it's absolutely perfect, if not better. Properly calibrated, AMOLEDs have an advantage when it comes to the contrast ratios.
Brightness still sucks though.
I've alway thought Samsung screens always looked too blueish and not so true to life. HTC always seems to get it right when it comes to screens. Just my opinion.
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The ones slcd is superior to the sgs4... Yes the colors are more vibrant and black is real black... But there are too much downsides in my opinion:
- White just doenst look white - ok and full brightness, but not below that
- Loss of detail in dark areas
- Low brightness on automode (even on +5)
- Low brightness on maximum brightness (the ones slcd is superior in sunlight)
- Burn-In
- Pentile - still visible for me
- Smearing / ghosting
- power consumption on browsing
- red black (fixed?!)
I had many phones with LCD screens (HTC Diamond, HTC HD, HTC HD2, I also played a lot with my father's iPhone 4). I remember when I got the Galaxy S2, the first thing I've noticed and appreciated was the inky blacks and insane contrast. Everything simply looked 3D, and I've promised myself I'm never going back to LCD.
Now unfortunately the G2 seems to be the best phone for my needs, but it uses the old LCD technology. I'm not sure how I'm going to feel going back from the S2's inky blacks, to grey blacks, this kinds of ruin the experience...
What do you guys who upgraded to the G2 from AMOLED screens think about this issue ? do you miss your AMOLEDs when dark content is shown on the screen ? do things look like a "grey bath" ?
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I had many phones with LCD screens (HTC Diamond, HTC HD, HTC HD2, I also played a lot with my father's iPhone 4). I remember when I got the Galaxy S2, the first thing I've noticed and appreciated was the inky black and insane contrast. Everything simply looked 3D, and I've promised myself I'm never going back to LCD.
Now unfortunately the G2 seems to be the best phone for my needs, but it uses the old LCD technology. I'm not sure how I'm going to feel going back from the S2's inky blacks, to grey blacks, this kinds of ruin the experience...
What do you guys who upgraded to the G2 from AMOLED screens think about this issue ? do you miss your AMOLEDs when dark content is shown on the screen ? do things look like a "grey bath" ?
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I felt the same way but I'm actually quite happy with the display on the G2. Viewing angles aren't as good as AMOLED and at night the blacks are not as black, but overall the blacks are pretty good. I have a hard time telling where the black nav bar ends and the black bezel begins. At least during the day time.
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coming from a S3...I love the G2 screen just because the fact the ppi is so much higher...and things look much sharper and the colors are more realistic..couldnt care much for the darker black screen...i dont even notice it.
Take a look how LG tried to hide the fact that blacks suffer on this LCD screen. Every image that they preinstall on this device is full of bright color. The settings background is white and not black... they tried to let you see as little black as possible with this device.
On a different note, most of what I do with the device is browse the internet, and the web mostly use white backgrounds, which kind of kill the battery with AMOLED screens...
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coming from a S3...I love the G2 screen just because the fact the ppi is so much higher...and things look much sharper and the colors are more realistic..couldnt care much for the darker black screen...i dont even notice it.
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You came from an S3... if you came from an S4, you wouldn't have seen an increase in sharpness/resolution...
Regarding colors looking more realistic, our eye is very adaptive, so without side by side comparison, it will be hard for us to say what is realistic and what's not. What we can always judge well (even without side by side comparison) is contrast and black levels, exactly the areas where the G2 suffers...
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You came from an S3... if you came from an S4, you wouldn't have seen an increase in sharpness/resolution...
Regarding colors looking more realistic, our eye is very adaptive, so without side by side comparison, it will be hard for us to say what is realistic and what's not. What we can always judge well (even without side by side comparison) is contrast and black levels, exactly the areas where the G2 suffers...
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I guess color preferences are pretty subjective but for me personally the GS4 looked hideously artificial all of the half dozen times I went to the store trying to convince myself to buy one. That and some of the display models I looked at had severe burn in. To me the G2 screen looks great, with one exception: you can see nothing in landscape mode when wearing polarized sunglasses, which kinda sucks in a car dock.
My experience with going from AMOLED to IPS LCD would be equal to going from a cartoon to real life. Clearer, natural, beautiful, amazing. No regrets! This is how a screen should be
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I didn't notice the difference from my Galaxy Nexus (in terms of color reproduction) until I sat them side by side. But just looking at the G2's display by itself, its amazing. I had a similar conversation with a buddy of mine about the pentile screen on the Note 3 - compared to itself, it looks great. But if you compared it to something non-pentile like the G2 or the HTC One...you might have a different reaction.
So if you have no other phone to compare it against, I think you would truly love the LCD panel that LG uses on this device.
The G2 looks a lot clearer than the GNex's AMOLED, IMO. I even had someone mention how clear it looked last weekend, after I had shot some HD video with it.
The issue I've noticed is that the brightness can jump around, even with automatic brightness turned off. More than once, I've had the brightness at about 66%, then I've seen the brightness flicker a little bit and then drop by maybe 10%. I don't know if this happens on all G2s, or if it is a flaw in mine. It doesn't happen all the time, thankfully, but it's mildly annoying when it does happen.
I came from an S4. AMOLED looks really artificial and fake in comparison
When I got this phone, I still had my S4 before I sold it. I set the G2 up the same as my S4 with the same home screen icons and layout, same wallpaper, same widgets, etc.
When I put the phones side by side, I actually started laughing. On lighter screens, especially white, the S4 was super dingy and green looking. It was almost embarrassing.
Granted the blacks were better, it's not drastic enough to give up the much brighter whites and color accuracy in general from this phone. Now I know the G2 screen isn't super accurate with color reproduction, but it looks a lot better than the S4 that I had.
Ultimately, I don't miss amoled at all.
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You came from an S3... if you came from an S4, you wouldn't have seen an increase in sharpness/resolution...
Regarding colors looking more realistic, our eye is very adaptive, so without side by side comparison, it will be hard for us to say what is realistic and what's not. What we can always judge well (even without side by side comparison) is contrast and black levels, exactly the areas where the G2 suffers...
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I played with both side by side for an extensive period of time an saw th difference between the S4 & G2's screens. The S4 still has the pentile feel to it even though it's not as bad as the s3 but you can't deny it's still there just less noticeable.
When I saw the G2, I was pleasantly surprised just how gorgeous the screen looked. Everything popped just right. It reminded me of the HTC One I just bought a few days prior. In fact I took my then HTC One out and sat it side by side with the G2, S4, 5s & S4 Active.
The question then became which phone is better than the HTC One in display or at at least close
The only phone that could compare on the list is the G2 in some case I found its screen a little better in how it shows images and web pages. Afterwards I went back & compared it to the note 3 extensively & found out the G2's screen is king.
You have to compare for yourself to see what I mean. Spend some time in the store & put the phones through their paces. There's a reason why we love our G2 phones so much
I came from an XT910 with AMOLED screen, but I'm super happy with the G2's screen. It looks amazing, and there is no bad feeling to the imaging at all.
yuck amoled. idk how that's even popular. as noted above the gs4 compared to this, or any LCD screen is a joke.. it just looks.. dirty. LCD is much more superior than amoled, imo.
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You came from an S3... if you came from an S4, you wouldn't have seen an increase in sharpness/resolution...
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You might. Just a little bit. The pixel arrangement is tighter than amoled's pentile style. I only notice a tiny bit, if i'm looking for it. Similar ppis though.
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I played with both side by side for an extensive period of time an saw th difference between the S4 & G2's screens. The S4 still has the pentile feel to it even though it's not as bad as the s3 but you can't deny it's still there just less noticeable.
When I saw the G2, I was pleasantly surprised just how gorgeous the screen looked. Everything popped just right. It reminded me of the HTC One I just bought a few days prior. In fact I took my then HTC One out and sat it side by side with the G2, S4, 5s & S4 Active.
The question then became which phone is better than the HTC One in display or at at least close
The only phone that could compare on the list is the G2 in some case I found its screen a little better in how it shows images and web pages. Afterwards I went back & compared it to the note 3 extensively & found out the G2's screen is king.
You have to compare for yourself to see what I mean. Spend some time in the store & put the phones through their paces. There's a reason why we love our G2 phones so much
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I agree. I've spent a little time with my friend's one. You'd be hard pressed to choose a winner, but colors look a bit better and richer on the g2. It's also brighter. In fact the screen almost works better than the flash on a white screen lol.
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I kinda chuckled a bit when I read the OP.
Amoled is an inferior technology, for real. The colours are not realistic, and the screen is HIGHLY susceptible to burn-in. Due to that, it is an inherent short life in "screen" terms. Colour reproduction also changes over time which is another disaster. Couple that with the pentile displays that Samsung uses to save money and ugggh.
The Amoled screen was the ONLY REASON!! I didn't get a Note!
Who wants a device where the screen can't be used in a certain way? That is called compromising and for $800 that isn't good enough for me.
The biggest thing I've seen is the blacks aren't as black as on my Galaxy Nexus.
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I had many phones with LCD screens (HTC Diamond, HTC HD, HTC HD2, I also played a lot with my father's iPhone 4). I remember when I got the Galaxy S2, the first thing I've noticed and appreciated was the inky blacks and insane contrast. Everything simply looked 3D, and I've promised myself I'm never going back to LCD.
Now unfortunately the G2 seems to be the best phone for my needs, but it uses the old LCD technology. I'm not sure how I'm going to feel going back from the S2's inky blacks, to grey blacks, this kinds of ruin the experience...
What do you guys who upgraded to the G2 from AMOLED screens think about this issue ? do you miss your AMOLEDs when dark content is shown on the screen ? do things look like a "grey bath" ?
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What? I came from the GNex with an AMOLED display and this G2 LCD screen blows it out of the water.
The AMOLED screens turn the voltages very low or almost off for the black color. So you get that super black screen. I have these crappy Note 1 & 2 from which I'm typing now, trust me I hate them more that i hate Justin Bieber XD
No offense guys..
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The g2 screen is gorgeous compared to my s4. Colors and icons is more realistic looking. But won't have the punch like amoled. It has the whitest screen. But with the note 3 the amoled is much improved. Whites are whiter and screen is brighter but still not as bright as the g2. The S4 screen is awful compared to the other 2 even at full brightness. Although I have to admit I had the s4 for several months now and I really didn't notice until now that I have the other phones. So it may just be a matter of getting used to it.
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