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How compatible is the atrix with T-Mobile?

Sorry if this has been answered but I'm on the xda app and can't search. I'm thinking about getting this phone and unlocking it to work on T-Mobiles network. How cross compatible is it? Will it work with the T-Mobile "4G"?
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Lint6 said:
Sorry if this has been answered but I'm on the xda app and can't search. I'm thinking about getting this phone and unlocking it to work on T-Mobiles network. How cross compatible is it? Will it work with the T-Mobile "4G"?
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Nope, you will only get 2G (EDGE).

t-mobile and at&t use different 3G frequencies, so if you unlock it you will only get EDGE speeds. Not worthy IMO, you have lots of options in your country, i would recommend to wait for the samsung galaxy s II phone.

Will work on the network but data will be at Edge speeds, not 4G.
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Just get the new nexus s and enjoy 2.3.3 and new nfc features and 3 axis gyroscope for wii like control over games and updates first and super Smiled screen lol
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nucentury08 said:
Just get the new nexus s and enjoy 2.3.3 and new nfc features and 3 axis gyroscope for wii like control over games and updates first and super Smiled screen lol
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On the new Nexus S - if you run out of internal storage - what size memory card can you add? Oh, wait they left off the SD card slot on that model. But those super AMOLED screens are really easy on the battery right? Oh wait, if the screen is black they use less juice but not otherwise.
Sorry, had to pick on you. Suffered with the captivate for 8 months..... yeah i drank the Koolaid - now i know better - but samsung sure can spin it.

alphadog00 said:
On the new Nexus S - if you run out of internal storage - what size memory card can you add? Oh, wait they left off the SD card slot on that model. But those super AMOLED screens are really easy on the battery right? Oh wait, if the screen is black they use less juice but not otherwise.
Sorry, had to pick on you. Suffered with the captivate for 8 months..... yeah i drank the Koolaid - now i know better - but samsung sure can spin it.
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Just ignore him, hes been trolling all over the Atrix forums. The gyroscope in his phone apparently makes his keyboard so fast that he cant use punctuation.

Unfortunately NOT ...
Inspite every where they said you'll only get EDGE , I Saw one guy saying he got 4G on simple mobile which uses the TMO towers sometimes (both have same frequencies)!!!
I bought the ATRIX on TMO and for 2 days now only EDGE

nuoten18 said:
Unfortunately NOT ...
Inspite every where they said you'll only get EDGE , I Saw one guy saying he got 4G on simple mobile which uses the TMO towers sometimes (both have same frequencies)!!!
I bought the ATRIX on TMO and for 2 days now only EDGE
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nowhere do they say you can use an att phone on t mobile 3G. it's been known for years that their frequencies are different and incompatible. you just didn't do your homework before purchasing.

I knew 99% it won't work but i took the challenge anyway ..
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nowhere do they say you can use an att phone on t mobile 3G. it's been known for years that their frequencies are different and incompatible. you just didn't do your homework before purchasing.
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don't judge me ... I did my homework
... Just kinding
Actually make search for (atrix on t mobile) you'll find another disscussion about the same topic and will find the guy that I menstioned before ...
As New user I'm not allowed to post links but that what he said exactly
"Yo I got it to work with simple mobile with their 4g. Just go to gsmhosting forums and buy a code from their advertised sites. They email it to you in 5 minutes, just input imei and that it."

nuoten18 said:
Actually make search for (atrix on t mobile) you'll find another disscussion about the same topic and will find the guy that I menstioned before ...
As New user I'm not allowed to post links but that what he said exactly
"Yo I got it to work with simple mobile with their 4g. Just go to gsmhosting forums and buy a code from their advertised sites. They email it to you in 5 minutes, just input imei and that it."
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That code process is to unlock the phone to enable it to be used with networks other than AT&T. But that doesn't get you data speed any faster than 2G/Edge using an Atrix on T-Mobile's network.

I'm a little confused here. You guys are saying that the Atrix will only get 2G/EDGE speeds on TMobile because the frequencies are different.
I am currently using the Nexus One.. how is it that I'm getting 3G speeds with a phone that is compatible with both AT&T and TMobile then??
Doesnt this mean that the Atrix should be able to get 3G speeds as long as it has the appropriate software? or am I not understanding something..

There are 2 kinds of nexus ones.. one with AWS bands (tmobile) and one with the regular 850/1900 (ATT). That's why you see them work on both tmobile and att. But a single device won't work on both bands.
It is a hardware issue. No software flashing will be able to fix it. If you bought the wrong one then you're stuck with it.
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nuoten18 said:
don't judge me ... I did my homework
... Just kinding
Actually make search for (atrix on t mobile) you'll find another disscussion about the same topic and will find the guy that I menstioned before ...
As New user I'm not allowed to post links but that what he said exactly
"Yo I got it to work with simple mobile with their 4g. Just go to gsmhosting forums and buy a code from their advertised sites. They email it to you in 5 minutes, just input imei and that it."
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False. There's not a chance in the world that is true. T-Mo USA and AT&T use mutually exclusive bands. No carrier-branded phones carry both bands. The only modern phone that carries bands necessary for 3/4G on either network would be the upcoming, not-for-sale/developer-only Nokia N950.

deduction said:
False. There's not a chance in the world that is true. T-Mo USA and AT&T use mutually exclusive bands. No carrier-branded phones carry both bands. The only modern phone that carries bands necessary for 3/4G on either network would be the upcoming, not-for-sale/developer-only Nokia N950.
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The Nokia N8 and E7 also have the 3G frequencies necessary for both At&t and T-mobile, as well as Europe/Asia (850/900/1700/1900/2100). However, I agree with you that no At&t/T-mobile branded device carries all the needed bands.
http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Touchscreen-Featuring-Navigation-Camera-U-S/dp/B003ZX7RL4
http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Unlocked-Touchscreen-Navigation-Camera-U-S/dp/B0046LTU9G

Vibrant can be used on T-Mo and AT&T as well

bimmerboii said:
There are 2 kinds of nexus ones.. one with AWS bands (tmobile) and one with the regular 850/1900 (ATT). That's why you see them work on both tmobile and att. But a single device won't work on both bands.
It is a hardware issue. No software flashing will be able to fix it. If you bought the wrong one then you're stuck with it.
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Ah, I see. I didnt realize that there are 2 types of the Nexus One.
I had assumed that since they are not branded by any carriers that they were all the same device.
Thanks
I was really hoping to have my TZones internet plan, which runs at 3G speeds on the Nexus, run on an unlocked Atrix but that doesn't look possible.
Are there any phones newer than the Nexus One that will work with Tmobile 3G and are unbranded by Tmobile?
The branded Tmo android phones lock out my Tzones.

Enforcerman said:
Ah, I see. I didnt realize that there are 2 types of the Nexus One.
I had assumed that since they are not branded by any carriers that they were all the same device.
Thanks
I was really hoping to have my TZones internet plan, which runs at 3G speeds on the Nexus, run on an unlocked Atrix but that doesn't look possible.
Are there any phones newer than the Nexus One that will work with Tmobile 3G and are unbranded by Tmobile?
The branded Tmo android phones lock out my Tzones.
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Here's a list of phones that will work with tmobile 3G. Take your pick. You may have to source it from somewhere else if you wish to buy it unlocked and unbranded.
The Nexus S is unlocked and unbranded even if you get it from tmobile. But since you are coming from the Nexus One, it is up to you if its worth the upgrade. Other than the Nexus S, have a look at dual core phones.
http://www.gsmarena.com/results.php...nes=0&sColor=&StandBy=0&TalkTime=0&sFreeText=

Atrix on t-mobile
i am currently running atrix 4g on system version 4.5.141 and android version 2.3.6.. I am rooted and have and unlocked boot loader. I also got the unlock code for my phone and it was successful and i am now running T-mobile sim chip i am only getting the Edge .. I have a thought as if you could change the phone frequency settings with sqlite editor i mean if you can disable the entitlement_check to enable theathering with AT&T's 2gb plan then we should be able to figure out how to change the frequency ratings of the phone to be able to run on t-mobiles 4g ... I wish that someone with a little more Knowledge could help out with this..

would you take this deal?

I GOT A DEAL FROM LOCAL TMOBILE G2+300 FOR samsung galaxy S2

uhhh... I paid 500$ for my G2... i dunno if I'd pay 800 for the galaxy s2. after my poor experience with the original galaxy s, I don't think I will ever have a non htc android phone again.

G1_enthusiast said:
I GOT A DEAL FROM LOCAL TMOBILE G2+300 FOR samsung galaxy S2
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Idk. what condition is your G2 in? thats really what it depends on. if its in mediocre condition then its really only worth about $200. so $500 for a good condition SGSII is a screamin' deal.

silverton said:
uhhh... I paid 500$ for my G2... i dunno if I'd pay 800 for the galaxy s2. after my poor experience with the original galaxy s, I don't think I will ever have a non htc android phone again.
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I hear Samsung has actually gotten more developer-friendly recently, especially after releasing the NS. Either way, I'd wait and see what the reviews and root procedure for the SGS2 are.

dunno about you, but i was still miffed with the fact that samsung refused to sell a gsm version of the epic 4g (unbranded from sprint's crap ofcourse) to the rest of the world. I was so intent on getting it that I hoped it would've appeared 3 months after the epic went on sale in the US....

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dunno about you, but i was still miffed with the fact that samsung refused to sell a gsm version of the epic 4g (unbranded from sprint's crap ofcourse) to the rest of the world. I was so intent on getting it that I hoped it would've appeared 3 months after the epic went on sale in the US....
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You know the Epic 4G is just Sprint's variation of the Galaxy S? T-Mobile's is the Vibrant, AT&T's is the captivate, Sprint's is the Epic 4G, and the global GSM version is the Galaxy S. Sprint just made it fat with a keyboard.

ofcourse i knew it was a variant of the galaxy s. you also do realize that the epic is the only one with a keyboard and the look that i like.
that's why i got a DZ. it has a keyboard. My biggest prereq is that is HAS to have a physical keyboard

mputtr said:
ofcourse i knew it was a variant of the galaxy s. you also do realize that the epic is the only one with a keyboard and the look that i like.
that's why i got a DZ. it has a keyboard. My biggest prereq is that is HAS to have a physical keyboard
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The reason why it has a keyboard is because Sprint stipulated that it had to. In other words, Samsung didn't want it to have a keyboard but made one as a Sprint exclusive. Aka Samsung wouldn't be able to sell a GSM version to the rest of the world because it was a 1-carrier build. Why is that Samsung's fault? Its Sprints fault for wanting the exclusive. Not to mention that Samsung would have never made a keyboard one if Sprint didn't ask.

blackknightavalon said:
I hear Samsung has actually gotten more developer-friendly recently, especially after releasing the NS. Either way, I'd wait and see what the reviews and root procedure for the SGS2 are.
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The reviews are already out. The SGSII has been out in Europe for a while and every review I see has said nothing but great things.

martonikaj said:
The reason why it has a keyboard is because Sprint stipulated that it had to. In other words, Samsung didn't want it to have a keyboard but made one as a Sprint exclusive. Aka Samsung wouldn't be able to sell a GSM version to the rest of the world because it was a 1-carrier build. Why is that Samsung's fault? Its Sprints fault for wanting the exclusive. Not to mention that Samsung would have never made a keyboard one if Sprint didn't ask.
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I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but all I'm saying is that I'm not happy that Samsung did not decide to release a gsm version. It does not matter if it was sprint's stipulation or anyone else's for that matter. the point is that they never released a gsm version and that I would've bought it if it was for a gsm network.
No need to go defensive for samsung. Not to mention that it is not difficult for them to sell a gsm variant for the epic.
after all this is simply my view on what I would've gone for if I had a chance, but i'm unhappy that they didn't because it was such a nice phone.

mputtr said:
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but all I'm saying is that I'm not happy that Samsung did not decide to release a gsm version. It does not matter if it was sprint's stipulation or anyone else's for that matter. the point is that they never released a gsm version and that I would've bought it if it was for a gsm network.
No need to go defensive for samsung. Not to mention that it is not difficult for them to sell a gsm variant for the epic.
after all this is simply my view on what I would've gone for if I had a chance, but i'm unhappy that they didn't because it was such a nice phone.
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I'm explaining to you that Sprint had an exclusive on the Galaxy S + keyboard (they designed it, they keep it). They wouldn't let Samsung sell a GSM version in the US or abroad for that matter. Don't hate Samsung because Sprint told them not to release it anywhere else lol.

martonikaj said:
I'm explaining to you that Sprint had an exclusive on the Galaxy S + keyboard (they designed it, they keep it). They wouldn't let Samsung sell a GSM version in the US or abroad for that matter. Don't hate Samsung because Sprint told them not to release it anywhere else lol.
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Source?
10 chars.

i've never heard about sprint not allowing samsung to sell a gsm version. maybe exclusivity in the US but dunno about worldwide.

mputtr said:
i've never heard about sprint not allowing samsung to sell a gsm version. maybe exclusivity in the US but dunno about worldwide.
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When carriers ask for a customization for a phone, that phone doesn't exist anywhere else. It was clear that Samsung was going to sell their variant of the Galaxy S without a keyboard. They sold the i9000 version in Europe sans keyboard, that was their unlocked GSM version. Sprint requested the keyboard and got it. Samsung made that phone for Sprint, its not like they had it in the pipeline and Sprint stole it as an exclusive to keep it CDMA. Its pretty clear Samsung was willing to do whatever the US carriers wanted by re-designing the phone 4 times for all the major carriers, and even some regionals.
I'd understand your frustration if it was a GSM worldphone kept on lock to AT&T/T-mobile, but in reality they'd have to redesign it to be a GSM version, and whether Sprint wanted this to be the only keyboard Galaxy S or not, Samsung surely wasn't going to make a GSM version of it.
But regardless, this has absolutely nothing to do with OP's question...

Which is exactly why i dont understand why you were so intent on arguing this when its not related to the op. It simply seems to me that you are arguing for the sake of doing so
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Galaxy S 2 World Edition

Today I am buying a world edition Galaxy S 2, is that a bad idea?

Why would it be a bad idea, as long as it's the I9100 then your fine.
If you want the phone then go ahead.
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just dont take any arrows to the knee

world edition Galaxy S 2 is probably a fancy name for international version of the s2.

Cosmic Blue said:
world edition Galaxy S 2 is probably a fancy name for international version of the s2.
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I think it is the international version.. I just don't want to get screwed and have no roms, or root

You get updates faster on a world edition phone ota.. But if ur flashing roms doesn't make much of a difference.
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Thanks guys! Just wanted to make sure before I got it!!

Tynen said:
I think it is the international version.. I just don't want to get screwed and have no roms, or root
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Have you seen the forum for the i9100??? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. There are more roms than you can think about.
It's probably the most supported galaxy s2 now.

NZed said:
Have you seen the forum for the i9100??? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. There are more roms than you can think about.
It's probably the most supported galaxy s2 now.
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Sorry its you who totally misunderstand the posters words .
The OP wanted to make sure they where getting the standard I9100 not some other variant with no roms for it .
jje

Don't except the same SQ as in your Galaxy s

varunkumars said:
Don't except the same SQ as in your Galaxy s
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What do you mean by SQ?
JJEgan said:
Sorry its you who totally misunderstand the posters words .
The OP wanted to make sure they where getting the standard I9100 not some other variant with no roms for it .
jje
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you're exactly right

If you are on T-Mobile, as your carrier icon says it would be a bad idea. You'll be stuck on edge as far as data goes.

evildave_666 said:
If you are on T-Mobile, as your carrier icon says it would be a bad idea. You'll be stuck on edge as far as data goes.
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Correct. the Original s2 i9100 does NOT support tmobile 1700mhZ AWS bands so you will be stuck on edge....
do what I did: switched to at&t from T-Mobile, signed a 2yr contract to get an iphone 4s for 199, SOLD the 4s for 500, put a little bit on top and got myself a white i9100
and now on a $10 unlimited data plan because they have no idea what phone im using
at&t's 3g is nowhere near as fats as tmobiles but you have a better selection of "unlocked" phones

Canadian Note Up for Order

Telus will let you buy it online outright for a whopping $779.
Bell has it at $729 but requiresa $30 mtm contract and $35 setup fee.
Does not seem to be available on Rogers yet.

I'm glad I ordered from Expansys. Almost $100 cheaper and unlocked. I hate these bas****s and am really want to get to the point where I am not locked into them by virtue of the hardware. Rogers is terrible - I have a family plan (four phones on it) so any time we do an HUP, the contract period on ALL the phones gets reset. I have stopped buying locked in phones and am a year away from making them work to keep my business. I regret having left Telus when the iPhone was first released by Rogers in Canada. They had gone out of their way to keep me as a customer - to the point where I had some amazing free customer loyalty freebies. Currently I have nada from Rogers in that regard.
/vent session off.

Shrink said:
I'm glad I ordered from Expansys. ...
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Did you order the Canadian or the International version? I thought Expansys sells only the latter...

That's exactly why i didn't order the international version... I want LTE!!
Jesus christ they making it hard for us to buy it at full price, I don't understand why? Not everyone wants a new freaking contract!
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A quick check online on sntraders.com they have both model 725 hspa+ 749 lte.
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or you could just buy off the telus team webstore for $662.99 no contract
see attached

mardos said:
or you could just buy off the telus team webstore for $662.99 no contract
see attached
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I heard of this before... I think i have to know someone with a telus team webstore account no?
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big samm said:
That's exactly why i didn't order the international version... I want LTE!!
Jesus christ they making it hard for us to buy it at full price, I don't understand why? Not everyone wants a new freaking contract!
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how do you think they make thier money ?

big samm said:
I heard of this before... I think i have to know someone with a telus team webstore account no?
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Yes i can assist you just PM me

https://negrielectronics.com/samsung-sgh-i717-galaxy-note-hd-unlocked-black.html
... yet another option. Although this thread is probably more suitable for the "AT&T Note" forum..

voxano said:
https://negrielectronics.com/samsung-sgh-i717-galaxy-note-hd-unlocked-black.html
... yet another option. Although this thread is probably more suitable for the "AT&T Note" forum..
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would this one works on tmobile 3g?

zozodouce said:
would this one works on tmobile 3g?
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I asked Negri about this. They said to check back in tomorrow. They're testing this as we type.

For anyone with the Canadian Note - is it true that it just has 512 Ram!

No it does not. That was a typo and spread as truth.
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is the LTE version unlocked if you buy it at full price?

Its locked if purchased from Bell telus or rogers

Its up on Rogers website... The lowest i've seen so far...699$ Sure it's lock but won't cost more that 10$ to get this badboy unlock!

def wrong section, but i feel bad for canadian note owners having their unbranded nicer device labeled as a bloat infested and branded ugly att phone
forum should be named Samsung Galaxy Note I717 instead of "ATT"
^ just a suggestion

voxano said:
https://negrielectronics.com/samsung-sgh-i717-galaxy-note-hd-unlocked-black.html
... yet another option. Although this thread is probably more suitable for the "AT&T Note" forum..
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I noticed it says LTE bands=700/1700 MHz...which seems to match the AT&T LTE bands. But will that Note version actually work fine with the AT&T LTE??

Aerials said:
I noticed it says LTE bands=700/1700 MHz...which seems to match the AT&T LTE bands. But will that Note version actually work fine with the AT&T LTE??
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Yes, bell/telus/rogers have the same network bands as ATT 4g and LTE, as long as its unlocked.
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Tmobile lg 4 vs international lg 4

Well now that they have been announced I have a questions are there any differences between them ? Will they both get the same Dev support ? I made the mistake of buying the galaxy 2 from tmobile and worse decision I ever did had to get rid of it and buy a gnex since the support for the galaxy s2 was the worst and always behind..... Since I have tmobile might ass well use one of my upgrades and save some money on the lg4 just making sure I won't be stuck getting late updates or have luck of support like some people with the Verizon galaxy nexus are having but I understand why since they are using lte which changes the phone around......
thanks for all the help in advanced

There literally is no difference other than the contract you sign.
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Smokeey said:
There literally is no difference other than the contract you sign.
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thanks for the quick response.... I will go ahead and order thru tmobile since im planning to keep them anyways about time they release a phone I actually want :good::good:

gdmlaz said:
thanks for the quick response.... I will go ahead and order thru tmobile since im planning to keep them anyways about time they release a phone I actually want :good::good:
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NO! Pay $150 more to not have to worry about a contract, PLUS pay less with a Value or Pre-Paid Tmo plan.

It is too soon to tell if there will be a software difference. Anyone who says differently needs to provide a link showing proof.
The hardware will be the same.

Actually, it seems that the T-Mobile version will have 42mbps HSPA+, while the version in the google play store only goes up to 21mbps HSPA+.
Other than that, I would assume they would be identical.
http://phandroid.com/2012/10/29/t-mobile-nexus-4-price/
(Under the update at the bottom of the page)

lightninman said:
Actually, it seems that the T-Mobile version will have 42mbps HSPA+, while the version in the google play store only goes up to 21mbps HSPA+.
Other than that, I would assume they would be identical.
http://phandroid.com/2012/10/29/t-mobile-nexus-4-price/
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FFS people. There are not two versions. It has 8GB or 16GB, those are the SKUs. They're both 42mbps HSPA+.
Google's own Play Store had a typo. It's even been fixed there: https://play.google.com/store/devic...wNV9uZXh1c1VTXzFfcHJvbW9fMTM1MTUyODMyNzI1OCJd
It's DC-HSPA+ 42mbps.

martonikaj said:
FFS people. There are not two versions. It has 8GB or 16GB, those are the SKUs. They're both 42mbps HSPA+.
Google's own Play Store had a typo. It's even been fixed there: https://play.google.com/store/devic...wNV9uZXh1c1VTXzFfcHJvbW9fMTM1MTUyODMyNzI1OCJd
It's DC-HSPA+ 42mbps.
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My bad, I saw the 21 earlier and I thought it was some deal between T-Mobile and Google. The Galaxy Nexus international and US unlocked versions were identical hardware-wise, and since there won't be a CDMA version, there shouldn't be any differences with the Nexus 4

lightninman said:
My bad, I saw the 21 earlier and I thought it was some deal between T-Mobile and Google. The Galaxy Nexus international and US unlocked versions were identical hardware-wise, and since there won't be a CDMA version, there shouldn't be any differences with the Nexus 4
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Not hardware-wise, but there could be software-wise.
Look at all the yakju variants, which are identical hardware, but different software.

adrynalyne said:
Not hardware-wise, but there could be software-wise.
Look at all the yakju variants, which are identical hardware, but different software.
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I'm wondering about the SW build also like with the GNex. But i'm getting the Play Store version regardless :good:

J-Hop2o6 said:
NO! Pay $150 more to not have to worry about a contract, PLUS pay less with a Value or Pre-Paid Tmo plan.
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Im on a family plan and planning to keep tmobile since I have 3 lines in this account so wasting an upgrade doesn't really bother me

No offense but I think the best place to ask this question is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1908