Well now that they have been announced I have a questions are there any differences between them ? Will they both get the same Dev support ? I made the mistake of buying the galaxy 2 from tmobile and worse decision I ever did had to get rid of it and buy a gnex since the support for the galaxy s2 was the worst and always behind..... Since I have tmobile might ass well use one of my upgrades and save some money on the lg4 just making sure I won't be stuck getting late updates or have luck of support like some people with the Verizon galaxy nexus are having but I understand why since they are using lte which changes the phone around......
thanks for all the help in advanced
There literally is no difference other than the contract you sign.
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Smokeey said:
There literally is no difference other than the contract you sign.
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thanks for the quick response.... I will go ahead and order thru tmobile since im planning to keep them anyways about time they release a phone I actually want :good::good:
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thanks for the quick response.... I will go ahead and order thru tmobile since im planning to keep them anyways about time they release a phone I actually want :good::good:
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NO! Pay $150 more to not have to worry about a contract, PLUS pay less with a Value or Pre-Paid Tmo plan.
It is too soon to tell if there will be a software difference. Anyone who says differently needs to provide a link showing proof.
The hardware will be the same.
Actually, it seems that the T-Mobile version will have 42mbps HSPA+, while the version in the google play store only goes up to 21mbps HSPA+.
Other than that, I would assume they would be identical.
http://phandroid.com/2012/10/29/t-mobile-nexus-4-price/
(Under the update at the bottom of the page)
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Actually, it seems that the T-Mobile version will have 42mbps HSPA+, while the version in the google play store only goes up to 21mbps HSPA+.
Other than that, I would assume they would be identical.
http://phandroid.com/2012/10/29/t-mobile-nexus-4-price/
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FFS people. There are not two versions. It has 8GB or 16GB, those are the SKUs. They're both 42mbps HSPA+.
Google's own Play Store had a typo. It's even been fixed there: https://play.google.com/store/devic...wNV9uZXh1c1VTXzFfcHJvbW9fMTM1MTUyODMyNzI1OCJd
It's DC-HSPA+ 42mbps.
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FFS people. There are not two versions. It has 8GB or 16GB, those are the SKUs. They're both 42mbps HSPA+.
Google's own Play Store had a typo. It's even been fixed there: https://play.google.com/store/devic...wNV9uZXh1c1VTXzFfcHJvbW9fMTM1MTUyODMyNzI1OCJd
It's DC-HSPA+ 42mbps.
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My bad, I saw the 21 earlier and I thought it was some deal between T-Mobile and Google. The Galaxy Nexus international and US unlocked versions were identical hardware-wise, and since there won't be a CDMA version, there shouldn't be any differences with the Nexus 4
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My bad, I saw the 21 earlier and I thought it was some deal between T-Mobile and Google. The Galaxy Nexus international and US unlocked versions were identical hardware-wise, and since there won't be a CDMA version, there shouldn't be any differences with the Nexus 4
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Not hardware-wise, but there could be software-wise.
Look at all the yakju variants, which are identical hardware, but different software.
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Not hardware-wise, but there could be software-wise.
Look at all the yakju variants, which are identical hardware, but different software.
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I'm wondering about the SW build also like with the GNex. But i'm getting the Play Store version regardless :good:
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NO! Pay $150 more to not have to worry about a contract, PLUS pay less with a Value or Pre-Paid Tmo plan.
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Im on a family plan and planning to keep tmobile since I have 3 lines in this account so wasting an upgrade doesn't really bother me
No offense but I think the best place to ask this question is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1908
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This just in:
Original news link:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/13/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-hits-the-fcc-potentially-ready-for-atandt-3g/
FCC Link:
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...e=N&application_id=273771&fcc_id='A3LGTI9100'
I'd be really happy if it does come on at&t bands because all of Canadia works on the same bands
that doesnt mean anything.. the stock sgs ii has att bands and just becuase it is going through fcc approval doesnt mean it is att requesting the approval.. could just be samsung getting it approved as it does all its phones.
Either way he can use it just fine, so it's a lot to get excited about
he could use it without fcc's approval...
also engadget was really slow this is friday's news
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gal...mode_i708_prototype_hit_the_fcc-news-2412.php
what did you think? ffc doesn't work on sundays
Well I for one happy about this.
I held out for waiting for the atrix, but in the end it just wasn't enough for me. I have a captivate and have enjoyed having it rooted and running froyo way before AT&T and sammy got off their ass.
i fully expect the s2 to have all the same bands that the galaxy s1 had, and the omnia hd also had, the same quadband coverage, dont expect anything to change here. because they are the most widely used bands, perfect for an international model.
Oh man, this is getting harder and harder.
Is going to be either SGS2 or iP5.
So difficult.
i still believe S2 will be compatible to all providers, like S1,,
make the base of fight with ip5,,
using tegra2 to ensure the quantity for sale ,, which makes sense.
This was known for a while now, that the Galaxy S 2 wwould work on ATT 3G bands. What is not known is whether ATT will pick up the phone or not.
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They would be fools not to pick it up.
Phones are just bait to get and keep subscribers. The phone should be a great device.
If this is a AT&T only phone, there is no justice in the world.
The international version works on AT&T.
Even if some US Carriers carry it, it will suck in comparison. Look at the Captivate/Vibrant compared to the i9000.
Yeah, that is true.
If AT&T does get they will probably request that sammy retard the phone some how. Like taking away some of the radios or no front facing camera.
I'm hoping they wont do that this time, but they probably will find some way to screw it up.
Agreed! I won't ever buy a AT&T retarded phone again, if there is an international one available I will pay extra for it. Like the Captivate vs i9000.
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that doesnt mean anything.. the stock sgs ii has att bands and just becuase it is going through fcc approval doesnt mean it is att requesting the approval.. could just be samsung getting it approved as it does all its phones.
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i still believe S2 will be compatible to all providers, like S1,,
make the base of fight with ip5,,
using tegra2 to ensure the quantity for sale ,, which makes sense.
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I completely understand if you guys didn't dig into FCC documents to read what they said, I don't blame you, but just to clarify, the device passed is an 850/1900 ONLY phone, meaning it can only be for AT&T or Canadian carriers.
Other versions will likely be released, but the version that passed FCC is not going to work on other US carriers.
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The international version works on AT&T.
Even if some US Carriers carry it, it will suck in comparison. Look at the Captivate/Vibrant compared to the i9000.
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We'll have to see if they strip out features again. FFC is a must, and I don't think they'll strip that out. I think they took that out last time because the network wasn't ready for video calling. They wanted HSPA+ prior to letting people use video calling. Other phones AT&T sells have an FFC now, so I don't think the SGS2 will be any different.
Other than that, what, FM radio and no HSUPA? AT&T SAYS they are going to start rolling out HSUPA, we'll see, if not I'm sure a radio swap with an international version will work again. And FM radio would be a nice addition, but I certainly won't make a decision on a phone over it. I can always use TuneIn and iheartradio if I really want to listen to my ****ty local stations. Oh, and a flash on the camera. That one actually may sway my decision to buy it if they don't include a flash. That was one of the stupidest things I've seen, but I found that I don't care about flash for pictures as much as I do for a flashlight. Most cell phone pictures taken with flash look like crap anyway.
I would go for an international version if they were at least somewhat reasonable in price, but I'm not paying $700-800+ USD for an international version.
Anyway, I hope they will hurry up. I have an upgrade that I'm itching to use!
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I would go for an international version if they were at least somewhat reasonable in price, but I'm not paying $700-800+ USD for an international version.
Anyway, I hope they will hurry up. I have an upgrade that I'm itching to use!
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Why not? Use your upgrade + $199 to buy an Iphone5, sell it for ~$600, pay <$300 out-of-pocket for the international version. The latest details are $700 and a May date from the other thread.
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Why not? Use your upgrade + $199 to buy an Iphone5, sell it for ~$600, pay <$300 out-of-pocket for the international version. The latest details are $700 and a May date from the other thread.
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Because I don't want to spend that much on a phone right now. I just bought an iPad 2 as my latest toy, so I have to limit myself. Depending on the cost on AT&T, I'm up for upgrade price plus $50 off. If it hits a $200 price point again I can probably get it for $150. We don't even know what will be different between the two yet.
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I just bought an iPad 2 as my latest toy,
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I'm sorry.
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But will the international version allow us to have HSPA+ on ATT? Or just 3G?
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But will the international version allow us to have HSPA+ on ATT? Or just 3G?
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HSPA+, fully unlocked
Telus will let you buy it online outright for a whopping $779.
Bell has it at $729 but requiresa $30 mtm contract and $35 setup fee.
Does not seem to be available on Rogers yet.
I'm glad I ordered from Expansys. Almost $100 cheaper and unlocked. I hate these bas****s and am really want to get to the point where I am not locked into them by virtue of the hardware. Rogers is terrible - I have a family plan (four phones on it) so any time we do an HUP, the contract period on ALL the phones gets reset. I have stopped buying locked in phones and am a year away from making them work to keep my business. I regret having left Telus when the iPhone was first released by Rogers in Canada. They had gone out of their way to keep me as a customer - to the point where I had some amazing free customer loyalty freebies. Currently I have nada from Rogers in that regard.
/vent session off.
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I'm glad I ordered from Expansys. ...
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Did you order the Canadian or the International version? I thought Expansys sells only the latter...
That's exactly why i didn't order the international version... I want LTE!!
Jesus christ they making it hard for us to buy it at full price, I don't understand why? Not everyone wants a new freaking contract!
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A quick check online on sntraders.com they have both model 725 hspa+ 749 lte.
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or you could just buy off the telus team webstore for $662.99 no contract
see attached
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or you could just buy off the telus team webstore for $662.99 no contract
see attached
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I heard of this before... I think i have to know someone with a telus team webstore account no?
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That's exactly why i didn't order the international version... I want LTE!!
Jesus christ they making it hard for us to buy it at full price, I don't understand why? Not everyone wants a new freaking contract!
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how do you think they make thier money ?
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I heard of this before... I think i have to know someone with a telus team webstore account no?
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Yes i can assist you just PM me
https://negrielectronics.com/samsung-sgh-i717-galaxy-note-hd-unlocked-black.html
... yet another option. Although this thread is probably more suitable for the "AT&T Note" forum..
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https://negrielectronics.com/samsung-sgh-i717-galaxy-note-hd-unlocked-black.html
... yet another option. Although this thread is probably more suitable for the "AT&T Note" forum..
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would this one works on tmobile 3g?
zozodouce said:
would this one works on tmobile 3g?
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I asked Negri about this. They said to check back in tomorrow. They're testing this as we type.
For anyone with the Canadian Note - is it true that it just has 512 Ram!
No it does not. That was a typo and spread as truth.
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is the LTE version unlocked if you buy it at full price?
Its locked if purchased from Bell telus or rogers
Its up on Rogers website... The lowest i've seen so far...699$ Sure it's lock but won't cost more that 10$ to get this badboy unlock!
def wrong section, but i feel bad for canadian note owners having their unbranded nicer device labeled as a bloat infested and branded ugly att phone
forum should be named Samsung Galaxy Note I717 instead of "ATT"
^ just a suggestion
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https://negrielectronics.com/samsung-sgh-i717-galaxy-note-hd-unlocked-black.html
... yet another option. Although this thread is probably more suitable for the "AT&T Note" forum..
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I noticed it says LTE bands=700/1700 MHz...which seems to match the AT&T LTE bands. But will that Note version actually work fine with the AT&T LTE??
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I noticed it says LTE bands=700/1700 MHz...which seems to match the AT&T LTE bands. But will that Note version actually work fine with the AT&T LTE??
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Yes, bell/telus/rogers have the same network bands as ATT 4g and LTE, as long as its unlocked.
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Anyone in the U.S planning on just getting the international version and not worrying about LTE? I am leaning towards the international version because of the processor and probably better rom support.
I have an international s2 right now and I am not sure I really care about lte speed when it's barely supported right now. I guess the only real issue would be the huge price difference.
well Iam planning to get the international one, cause I'm with Tmobile and i think they don't have lte yet rigth?.
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well Iam planning to get the international one, cause I'm with Tmobile and i think they don't have lte yet rigth?.
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That's true but Tmobile is supposed to get a non LTE version and it will be much cheaper than the international version if you buy it on contract.
It depends on your location. If you have no LTE where you live, but has 3G, then international version is good idea. Also it will inevitably gets more developers than carrier locked version and has better resale value.
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It depends on your location. If you have no LTE where you live, but has 3G, then international version is good idea. Also international version is pentaband so you can switch between TMO and ATT. Also it will inevitably gets more developers than carrier locked version and has better resale value.
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I do have lte in my city, but not sure if it really matters to me. There is free wifi almost everywhere these days, and I am guessing lte coverage is going to be pretty spotty since it is so new.
I guess since I upgrade my phone once a year, I would be fine without lte for another 6-12 months.
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International.
Philly doesn't have LTE yet, but probably soon.
I like having the physical button on front to wake the phone, us versions usually don't have that.
Less bloat.
To make up the price difference I'll probably get the iphone 5 on contract when it comes out later this year and sell it on ebay.
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Anyone in the U.S planning on just getting the international version and not worrying about LTE? I am leaning towards the international version because of the processor and probably better rom support.
I have an international s2 right now and I am not sure I really care about lte speed when it's barely supported right now. I guess the only real issue would be the huge price difference.
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I have pre ordered mine already as I have T-Mobile wthout LTE... I will however switch my order from blue to white as soon as its an option.
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I need to correct myself, there is an update in spec, and it won't suport T-Mo 3G. gsmarena
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To each their own.
I am on AT&T and we are about to get LTE but I really don't care. I am a WiFi consumer 99.99999% of the time so I would rather have this phone with the hopes I will get updates to JB in the fall quicker and that the ROMS will come faster.
International.
I live in Northern part of LA, we have 4G LTE with ATT. But I always have wifi available where ever I go, even work. I'd rather have a better processor, ROM support, faster updates than 4G LTE that I'll honestly hardly ever use. I guess I'm fine with ATT FAKE 4G.
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Anyone in the U.S planning on just getting the international version and not worrying about LTE? I am leaning towards the international version because of the processor and probably better rom support.
I have an international s2 right now and I am not sure I really care about lte speed when it's barely supported right now. I guess the only real issue would be the huge price difference.
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I already decided to skip LTE with the N7000. I don;t use enough carrier data to need it. I prefer the MediaNet $10 UL data. I barely use 1GB a month. Enough to have to pay $30 but not enough to get "value" for that money. I use WiFi almost 100% of the time. 3G+ can stream video without issues. I am ok with that.
LTE is probably great for those who have or don't want to pay for Home Intermet Service and tethers. I have no use for it at this time.
Tough to go back to carrier branded after having the more widely spread international versions.
I may get rid of my at&t Note, and use whatever funds I receive from that to get 1 of these intl versions.
Or, I might just get an intl Note instead...if the screen size and s-pen really is a good reason for why I want to stay Note.
Will the international version work with Tmobile? pros and cons?
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Who would sell the International versions to the US?
EDIT: seems like Amazon might. I wonder when they would get their hands on it.
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Who would sell the International versions to the US?
EDIT: seems like Amazon might. I wonder when they would get their hands on it.
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amazon, expansys, gummobile, handtech, negri, there are a lot of stores that ship to the u.s.
Newegg might sell it too...
Do you guys think the sites above would sell the international version the 29th?
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Do you guys think the sites above would sell the international version the 29th?
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negri and onthegosolutions might send it out on release date. amazon is def not one of the sites that gets the phones on release day.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/07/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-canadian-carriers/
Update: Sure enough, Mobilicity is also onboard, which along with Wind Mobile makes it pretty clear that T-Mobile-friendly AWS frequencies are baked in.
We pretty much knew it is coming to the states. The question is when. Hopefully not much will be changed.
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We pretty much knew it is coming to the states. The question is when. Hopefully not much will be changed.
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Well now, you can get one with AWS Bands without waiting till like.... October/November on Tmo..
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We pretty much knew it is coming to the states. The question is when. Hopefully not much will be changed.
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Yup. The real question is the US gonna get the nerfed version. I want no part of that.
So is it going to be like the Galaxy Nexus where you could buy the Canadian version which was the same phone.. Will the Canadian phone be same but with the 1700 band or will there b differences?
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I have not read anywhere that the international version, i9300, is a pentaband HSDPA phone. Also, GSMArena has it listed as a quad band so it will not work on T-Mobiles 4G network. It looks like if/when it does come to T-Mo, it will need to be a customized version.
Prob a customized Canadian version...
The good news is that Tmo users do not need to wait another 6 months till the SGS III comes out in Tmo
Any idea on whether this will have the same processor as the international version?
I'm betting it will have a s4 processor. I hope I'm wrong....
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Mobilicity doesn't have LTE. we just have wait and see, what they do to the phone.
This just means a custom aws version will also be released. Doesn't look like the international version has T-Mobile hspa. So it will probably not come with the exynos CPU etc.
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I'm betting it will have a s4 processor. I hope I'm wrong....
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what's wrong with the S4 Qualcomn?
it;s as beefy as any of the new SOC, even faster than the nVidia Tegra
I personally would like the GSM NA variants to be as close to the international version as possible. Mostly because of the ease of porting custom ROMs. And I really do like my GT-I9100's physical home button. Hope that makes it over, but I doubt it (the NA models never had it, so getting one on the GS3 will break the design/UI continuity).
so how does one go about getting Mobilicity or wind mobile's gs3? bestbuy.ca doesnt ship outside of Canada. some carrier's website dont let you buy phone @ full price.
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so how does one go about getting Mobilicity or wind mobile's gs3? bestbuy.ca doesnt ship outside of Canada. some carrier's website dont let you buy phone @ full price.
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that's why you need contacts and/or friends in different countries to help you for these kind of stuff
also mentioned in this other topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26224887
I tried searching everywhere, but all that are being sold are from contract carriers like AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile. Also, all search results that appear on Google are from the UK, not the USA.
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I tried searching everywhere, but all that are being sold are from contract carriers like AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile. Also, all search results that appear on Google are from the UK, not the USA.
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+1. I want an unlocked 32GB fully compatible with AT&T
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I've seen some on ebay. What I'd like is a model matrix so I know them apart.
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I've seen some on ebay. What I'd like is a model matrix so I know them apart.
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Same here. I'm planning to get an unlocked version the moment they hit NY but I want to make sure it's fully compatible with AT&T LTE.
If someone has more info please post. Thanks
http://sam.factoryoutletstore.com/
I called customer service there and they said their devices are fully compatible with ATT and that includes LTE - unlocked phones can be bought right now for $799 - a bit more than you will pay if you wait for the official release. The only problem I see is that they don't tell you what model number beyond it being the SM G900 - They don't give the letter after the G900 -- and as we don't know how cross compatible the devices are going to be you run a big risk of buying a phone that won't have much dev support -
That is my take on it anyway - when I called and asked they said you could buy now and they ship immediately.
Good Luck -
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http://sam.factoryoutletstore.com/
I called customer service there and they said their devices are fully compatible with ATT and that includes LTE - unlocked phones can be bought right now for $799 - a bit more than you will pay if you wait for the official release. The only problem I see is that they don't tell you what model number beyond it being the SM G900 - They don't give the letter after the G900 -- and as we don't know how cross compatible the devices are going to be you run a big risk of buying a phone that won't have much dev support -
That is my take on it anyway - when I called and asked they said you could buy now and they ship immediately.
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Honest question: What makes this better than this at $680?
Also, dev support? The intl version will have plenty of that...
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Honest question: What makes this better than this at $680?
Also, dev support? The intl version will have plenty of that...
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I never said it was better - but the difference between the two - is the link you sent is pre-order - shipping on April 11th - the link I sent - they say they have the phones in stock now and they will ship immediately. So I guess for anyone who doesn't want to wait - they can - but they will have to pay more. And like I said, they don't give the model numbers - might be 900f I really don't know
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I never said it was better - but the difference between the two - is the link you sent is pre-order - shipping on April 11th - the link I sent - they say they have the phones in stock now and they will ship immediately. So I guess for anyone who doesn't want to wait - they can - but they will have to pay more. And like I said, they don't give the model numbers - might be 900f I really don't know
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Anyone know where to get a 32GB unlocked version? (of course, not on ebay for ~$1100...)
Thanks!
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The international model WILL NOT get AT&T LTE. it's missing bands 2, 4, and 17. You will only get 3G (HSPA+)
MattMJB0188 said:
The international model WILL NOT get AT&T LTE. it's missing bands 2, 4, and 17. You will only get 3G (HSPA+)
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So does that mean that our only hope for an LTE compatible S5 is the AT&T version? I thought for previous galaxy models people were able to import unlocked models that were compatible with AT&T LTE. Has that changed?
tdx said:
So does that mean that our only hope for an LTE compatible S5 is the AT&T version? I thought for previous galaxy models people were able to import unlocked models that were compatible with AT&T LTE. Has that changed?
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I believe the T-Mobile version can get LTE if Sim unlocked.
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I believe the T-Mobile version can get LTE if Sim unlocked.
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Got it. But then it comes with T-Mo bloatware and my goal is to order a model with no carrier bloat. Ideally a Samsung-original LTE compatible version would be perfect but not sure if it exists.
Get the Vodafone one! I read it's compatible with AT&T, has little to no bloat, and can be unlocked from Vodafone's site. I still don't get why Samsung won't just give us an unlocked phone for the US though...
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Google Play edition smartphones and tablets are carrier unlocked and unbranded. So, wait for S5 Google edition.
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Google Play edition smartphones and tablets are carrier unlocked and unbranded. So, wait for S5 Google edition.
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+1
I have no desire to wait for an unknown amount of time until its release though.
Rumor is it'll be on the play store when the phone is released on the 11th.
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