Not sure if this has been answered or whatever but I figured I'd ask cause I can't figure it out. Why does the N7 have Original Development and Android Development sub-forums?
It appears that roms/kernels/tools/etc are posted in either or. Now I'm sure there was some original intention but I can't figure out what it is. Any reason why the 2 sections couldn't just be merged into "Development". If there's guidelines to these two forums, I can't figure out where they are posted if they are posted at all. Either way, it doesn't appear anyone follows them based on the content of those two sub-forums. Anyone?
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Not sure if this has been answered or whatever but I figured I'd ask cause I can't figure it out. Why does the N7 have Original Development and Android Development sub-forums?
It appears that roms/kernels/tools/etc are posted in either or. Now I'm sure there was some original intention but I can't figure out what it is. Any reason why the 2 sections couldn't just be merged into "Development". If there's guidelines to these two forums, I can't figure out where they are posted if they are posted at all. Either way, it doesn't appear anyone follows them based on the content of those two sub-forums. Anyone?
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There to do with two different types of developing. I've posted the official XDA introduction page below to explain it better than I ever could
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/
I see, I'll have to take a look at that. I'm curious if it states why only some devices have both sections while many other devices only have "Android Development"
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I see, I'll have to take a look at that. I'm curious if it states why only some devices have both sections while many other devices only have "Android Development"
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the newest devices have both sections. its only recent that xda started separating the development sections this way.
yeah, I see that now. I think it's an interesting sentiment but it just makes the development sections sloppy. Now I have to read through 2 different forums which basically contain the same time of information. It was easy enough to just put in the op if something was "original" or not. I don't know. I get it, I just think it's a better idea on paper than actually implemented.
I started another thread on this because I found the separation confusing. Even after the explanation it still seems unnecessary. For one, if you must do this, there should be a sticky on each of the forums explaining what it means. I would not ever in a million years figured out the meaning without asking. My first thought when I saw the android/original separation was the original wasn't android, hence original. But alas it was full of android roms just like the other. Now that I know the difference the classification is slightly useful, but not enough to make me look in two forums for essentially the same type of item.
So I suppose all CM10 derived ROMs will be in the Android forum (except for CM10 itself, of course). Probably find a CM10 derived/compatible forum more useful myself.
EDIT: Apparently even after the explanation I don't understand. There are Roms based on CM code (ie ParanoidAndroid) in the original forum. So Roms based on android code are original, roms based on CM code that is based on Android is original. Exactly what isn't original now? I read the post introducing the forum separation and understand that the classifications have a lot of grey area between, but the problem is it is all grey area. Thus forcing anyone looking for roms to look in both places. No offense meant, last I will say about it, and quietly look in both forums for roms and other items.
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Okay, before everyone starts flaming...I know that there are probably hundreds of thread in the Dream General section suggesting a support section or a "Support thread" but they have been incredibly unsuccessful and members are constantly reporting and starting new threads on their problems in Dream Android Development and in General. Isn't the whole point of GENERAL suppose to be GENERAL? And not a support area?
This is why I'm proposing that we create an entire new area for people to get help and for people to post their problems and give solutions. If you take a look at the amount of locked threads in development and the amount of threads in Dream General pertaining to the numerous amount of problems that people are having, you will understand. I understand that there is in fact a brick thread inside Dream Development, but people don't care. They just post it in random places and mods have to constantly remind people to post in the right place and to SEARCH! With this proposal, I believe that if a support section is created, people will be more likely to search in THERE because it's a special place set aside for just that, SUPPORT.
Mods please take this into consideration and don't lock this thread. How many of you think that we should have a support section and not clutter Dream General and Dream Development with hundreds of two post threads talking about bricks and eventually them getting locked or moved to the trash within seconds.
Thanks for reading this. Comment in the posts below
Thanks to Milestone for a list of good reasons why we should have a support section! thanks milestone!
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i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realize to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
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Everyone here with a few exceptions i'm sure are using a rooted phone. If you noticed, each thread that contains a ROM will also provide support for that ROM. Most of the problems are specific to each rom. So there would need to be a support thread for each ROM released in a seperate forum section, which already exists in the developer section. Also, each rom released is pretty much a beta and will always remain a beta because there is no standards to which these roms are created and no "end point" to the development, its always on going. And unique bugs and problems will always occure with each Rom. So it is a continual part of development to post, read about and repair those bugs and problems to make each Rom better. I don't think a support section needs to be created. I just think people need to be less lazy and use the search tools. Even bricked phones are being bricked by a specific rom...or SPL or what have u and again should fall under development since most bricked phones was because of a bad SPL or bug in a ROM . And if it is not specific to anything that has been created or released here...Tmobile DOES have their own support forums =)
Good point, but we're not T-Mobile and T-Mobile doesn't JUST carry the G1 now do they?
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Good point, but we're not T-Mobile and T-Mobile doesn't JUST carry the G1 now do they?
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You've a good point as well =). ...Yah, T-mobile mentioned something about them carrying the ION soon....so I guess "T-Mobile" can be replaced with "Your phone's manufacturer and/or carrier" hehehe
Did XDA not create forums for the Magic and the Ion and the Sapphire? Most of this development is geared towards the G1 for the most part...which pretty much is T-Mobile....Now if they just made a Forum for "ANDROID DEVELOPMENT" that encomposses all the android phones...that may work out better. But the support would still end up in the specific rom forums... I dunno...to many roms and too many phones and too many carriers lol getting had to keep up
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Good point, but we're not T-Mobile and T-Mobile doesn't JUST carry the G1 now do they?
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No, and T-Mobile won't be able to support the myriad of problems that come with rooted phones and custom ROMs anyway.
The sad fact (and why this idea has never really taken off) is that no matter what you do; stickies/wikis/locked threads/temp bans etc... there is always going to be a host of fng's that don't know any better and will continue to post out of context and out of laziness.
Hell, there's a couple people that straight up know better and will still post in the wrong section because "nobody's gonna be able to help me in the Dream forum, so I'm posting here anyway."
It would seem you can't change human nature, so you're forced to moderate. Or so I've decided.
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realise to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
that was my £0.02p
tep065 said:
You've a good point as well =). ...Yah, T-mobile mentioned something about them carrying the ION soon....so I guess "T-Mobile" can be replaced with "Your phone's manufacturer and/or carrier" hehehe
Did XDA not create forums for the Magic and the Ion and the Sapphire? Most of this development is geared towards the G1 for the most part...which pretty much is T-Mobile....Now if they just made a Forum for "ANDROID DEVELOPMENT" that encomposses all the android phones...that may work out better. But the support would still end up in the specific rom forums... I dunno...to many roms and too many phones and too many carriers lol getting had to keep up
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Yeah there's a forum for the Magic/Sapphire but the ION has not really been officially launched, but when it does I'm sure XDA will create another forum for it. I still think a support section would be a good idea. Most other forums have something like that, however this one does not. Just my opinion
milestone.it said:
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realise to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
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Good list. Updated OP
So, I've been thinking about this a bit more... and drinking bombay/tonic and shots of patron, so take it with a grain of salt...hehe
Anyway, I actually think it could be useful at this point. Seeing all the troubleshooting threads in this forum, it could be useful to seperate truly general things with support related things.
The way I see it, at this moment:
Dream (26 Viewing)
Dream android development (237 Viewing)
Dream accessories (2 Viewing)
Dream themes and wallpapers (25 Viewing)
Dream applications and games (23 Viewing)
Obviously, development gets all the attention.
That's the main reason so many people go straight there to get a question answered.
However; a support thread probably wouldn't see any less visitors than the other 4 threads and certainly more than the accessories thread. I dare say, accessories could be merged with general and be replaced with support.
It wouldn't hurt to have a handful of stickies of current support issues and an entire thread dedicated to it. Maybe having a thread that floated to the top in development called support that tried to redirect people to a support forum might work well.
Anyway, just a thought. Back to the tequila...
milestone.it said:
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realise to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
that was my £0.02p
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Agreed =] I'm thankful for everyone commenting in this thread and keeping it alive. Come on guys, don't PRETEND you DON'T want a suppport section. Aren't all of you tired of the cluttered threads and the people telling you to sift through 300 page threads for answers? With this support section, finding an answer should be a breeze. I'm proposing we have sepeerate threads in the section for different ROMs and to post known problems and known solutions in the OPs. Let your opinions be heard! Going to go ahead and bump this up there. Come on! Comment! and vote in the poll
Dear Community members,
Should we have 2 separate sub-fora for Android development and Themes and Apps:
-Sense
-AOSP
I think it will make our live easier, but it's just an idea. I included a poll so please, do MASSIVELY express yourself! I did vote Yes, of course!
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forelli
Can't say it would be a bad idea, might split people though and some forums don't like that.
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any organisation is good organisation
I voted no. Why? Because there are so much common things for both builds in those forums.
Android dev: leaks, radios, guides, kernels, general mods (like recent usb host). It should be a general place to find all the custom ROMs.
Themes: I agree that themes are usually for CM or Sense only, but there are also common things like bootanimations, splashes, etc.
I agree with both sides of the case here, however a well titled ROM Thread
e.g
[ROM][SENSE][etc][etc]............
or
[ROM][AOSP][etc][etc]............
Would do just fine. So I voted no.
I opened this thread because it proved difficult to find a CM7 theme or kernel! You have to go through I don't know how many pages before you find something for CM7.
f.
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As it has already been said, a well titled thread should help more than the infinite splitting of the forums. You'll just have to use the search button. What's next? Froyo and Gingerbread subforums? Once i get to a computer I'll vote 'no'.
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I don't know about AOSP or SENSE forums, but I think it would be a good idea to gather all guides (rooting, flashing, s-off etc.) to the same place. That way they would be easier to find than now as they are scattered all over the forum. This would also reduce the numbers of new threads started by people asking questions that have already been answered several times.
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Hawks556 said:
I don't know about AOSP or SENSE forums, but I think it would be a good idea to gather all guides (rooting, flashing, s-off etc.) to the same place. That way they would be easier to find than now as they are scattered all over the forum. This would also reduce the numbers of new threads started by people asking questions that have already been answered several times.
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The sticky roll-up thread in Android Developement maybe?!? They are there, but unfortunately you can have those guides in big red letters on top of every page and there will sill be someone, who thinks it's easier to ask than to read. It has to be the human nature . Actually proposing this, means that you too have never looked at the sticky roll-ups in the forums! Shame on you!
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I agree with both sides of the case here, however a well titled ROM Thread
e.g
[ROM][SENSE][etc][etc]............
or
[ROM][AOSP][etc][etc]............
Would do just fine. So I voted no.
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I think this will be the best if we just tag them, so the common things will be in one place and the different ones Wilkinson be much more easy to find.
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tkolev said:
The sticky roll-up thread in Android Developement maybe?!? They are there, but unfortunately you can have those guides in big red letters on top of every page and there will sill be someone, who thinks it's easier to ask than to read. It has to be the human nature . Actually proposing this, means that you too have never looked at the sticky roll-ups in the forums! Shame on you!
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Yes I've read the stickies, but there isn't listed even nearly all the most commonly needed guides like the getting back to stock guide, improving battery life guide and radio s-off guide just to name a few. Also it would be good to have the known solutions/reasons to common bugs/problems listed somewhere. These threads can ofcourse be found on the forum as it is but if no one posts to the threads (because they are solved) they will fall back to the last pages of the threads list and thus become harder to come across.
And yes I know that the common DHD issues can be found in the general section sticky, but also that one isn't fully comprehensive. Just to give an example the CWM booting while charging issue can't be found there even though the issue has been there since we got CWM on our phones, hasn't it?
What? I think this is completely unnecessary. there'll barely be any threads in those sections. Why the split? The only reason someone would consider making a separate section is, if the other sections were crowded. The development section is fine, just like it always was. Am I the only one thinking this way? Am I not seeing what the others are? I just don't understand.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/
Read this for info on why
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http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/
Read this for info on why
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Maybe I've just been spoiled by the great dev community for the HTC Incredible, but most of those examples of things that are listed as belonging in the "Android Development" forum seem like things that nobody would really give much attention to anyway. None of those things really seem like things that would rise to the top of the forums (or stay there very long). The only one that sounds familiar is "A ROM where a main or significant claim/feature is graphical changes to the user interface (ie. Themed ROM)" but again, maybe that's just because I'm spoiled by a great dev community for my last phone.
It seems like, since most of the things on that list are junk roms, it would be better to have a regular development forum with a "Sandbox" (or something like that) sub-forum for insignificant stuff.
I thought that this section was unique crap for Galaxy S2. Looks like we will have same **** soon.
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I thought that this section was unique crap for Galaxy S2. Looks like we will have same **** soon.
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huh?
im yet to see what this section is for too
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im yet to see what this section is for too
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Yea ive seen it on other sections before, But I dont fully understand it
What the hell is 'original development' ??
What is the current development ? Un original ?
whats with the need to add un-necessary sub sections ? It just fuels confusion
Maybe "original" means "real". So there will be a chance to distinguish between cloning/adding/tweaking from development
Do we need / want it ?? I think we should open up a poll and pass the results on to the mod(s)
We had a similar thing in the HTC One S forums, Where they added a subsection for Tmobile Versions, It was totally un-needed as there were no differences between the 2 devices. We made a poll and the section got removed.
Sometimes these things do more bad than good, As if the flashing procedure isnt difficult enough already, What with the brickbug and all that.
If you think its a good idea to remove it, Ill open a poll before the section gets full with stuff.
Why not wait a little bit and see what it should be used for?
One Mod will explain sooner or later...
lets just hope its something useful
Is it so hard to understand? All stuff about original roms goes in there.
What do you mean Original ROMs ? Things like Stock TW ROMs ? Or does that include Custom ROMs too ?
Only in the SGS2 threads the 'original' section is full of custom ROMs and kernels too.
I mean this device is almost 12months old, We've survived without it.
Im just old fashioned Change freaks me out
Confusing?
Hate It?
Simply Don't Open It
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I thought that this section was unique crap for Galaxy S2. Looks like we will have same **** soon.
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wish you could enlighten us on how it was a unique crap and a **** for s2 then?
original = stock = cooked roms
the other thread will be for "really" developed roms i.e, aokp/aosp/cm9 variants
So if some one builds a ROM based on Cynogen Mod from scratch..will it be in original section or since its from CM it will be in Development
btw this was the rule posted there
The following are most likely “Original Development”:
Official releases of highly original and upstream custom ROMs (built from the ground up with significant original development within them
Official releases/development of such original ROMs, perhaps posted by the maintainer or their nominated person.
A significant “first” in development for a device. Significant is subjective, but it is likely something which took considerable time/effort, and is generally accepted by developers to be significant and non-trivial.
Kernels which are built with beneficial changes that are not simply pulled from other kernels already available. Some element of original work is expected.
Tools and utilities with a clear purpose, and which are well-made, and useful to users. They should have an element of originality, either in purpose or through significant improvement in the means of operation.
Significant port of a ROM from one device to another, giving enhanced features or functionality to users of the target device. The port should be beneficial (a port from two virtually identical devices isn’t original development, it’s winzipping, and nobody really benefits from this, as it’s not development)
The following are most likely not “Original Development”, and should be posted in the “Android Development” subforum:
Your own “unofficial” stock build of your favourite original, source-built (or otherwise) ROM, particularly where an official or maintainer-endorsed thread exists already.
Minor derivatives of other ROMs with little or no changes, or ROMs consisting of “placebo” features as a main constituent or claim.
Renames or rebadges of others’ work – these don’t belong on XDA at all! Refer to rule 12 for more information.
Reposts of existing ROMs with small changes (i.e. kitchen work, such as adding a couple of apps). If you could realistically distribute your changes as an “addon pack” above and beyond a ROM, you should do so. In addition, your “ROM” would not be original development as it would be substantially identical to the original ROM.
A thread created with unrealistic goals that are clearly unachievable by those starting the thread. This is not intended to discourage high aspirations, rather to prevent threads porting Windows Phone 8 to the HTC Wallaby. This is pretty much common sense.
A ROM where a main or significant claim/feature is graphical changes to the user interface (ie. Themed ROM)
i get the idea to separate the genuine development from the WinZip one, but it may not be that easy in practice to distinguish those lying somewhere in between
See Here
XDA, the moderators and the powers that be.... have been wrestling with trying to differentiate the Difference between the Code-writing Development and the Quasi-developers that use rom cooking tools.
To that end we will be going through the development threads in the next couple of weeks and moving the appropriate threads that meet the original code requirement to be placed in this new forum.
Please bear in mind that this is a "Work in Progress" and will take a bit of time to hone and perfect what goes where.
Also, please understand that this does not mean that some developers are on some special pedestal. That is not the case.
I will use an analogy to explain:
A music composer writes an original piece of music. The music composition may be awesome... but his performance of it, may not.
Such often is the case in developers..... often someone comes up with a awesome idea or new code application, but it often ends up being perfected by the use of others putting their creative spin on it.
That is the beauty of The Android Platform and ....XDA provides a fertile field for all to share ideas and collectively improve our experience
I hope this clarifys the potential questions
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At the end of the day everything is built from something else but what they are getting at is ROMs that are just other roms with maybe a new theme and tweaks taken from else where would just be in the normal development.
But if you came up with something new and different (not just a rehash of other peoples work) then it should go in original development
Now its starting to make sense, well ive always reverted to one particular rom (cleanote) so i guess i wont be affected.
maybe its for the best, there are a lot of similar roms out there so it might make life easier.
Im still adapting to the new xda theme, any more change after this and i might self destruct.
Want me to start a poll?
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Now its starting to make sense, well ive always reverted to one particular rom (cleanote) so i guess i wont be affected.
maybe its for the best, there are a lot of similar roms out there so it might make life easier.
Im still adapting to the new xda theme, any more change after this and i might self destruct.
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Want me to start a poll?
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It makes alot of sense, will make it easy to find new and 'bigger' development work against the small tweaked roms which while important are starting to fill up the forum
It was tested in the S2 forums and has been rolling out XDA wide so theres not alot a poll will do, in honour of the hitch hikers guide of the galaxy, the plans have been on show for quite some time, if you can’t be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, that’s your own lookout.
Firstly I would just like to say that I am eternally grateful to the devs for choosing to share their work here and I have no complaints (other then one) and I think the work the do is amazing, without them we would be stuck on carrier firmware and out of date software/features so much respect!
My issue is and personally think this is long overdue is that we REALLY need a global (or in least the GS2 section) XDA naming convention/rule or forum addon for adding rom threads so that all rom topic titles are consistent and uniformed.
I probably say this and think about it more because my 2 previous daily devices were the immortal (and best ever smartphone) HTC HD2 and the Galaxy Tab (P1000) and in these forums all dev topics were pretty uniform and all rom/kernel topics has date stamp at front of title so that people browsing section could easily see at a glance if there had been any updates to their roms or in general for people like me who have ORD.
Other sections though like S2 seem to be completely random and its more of a pain to look through roms and the "at a glance" checking of rom updates is completely non-existent.
IMO we really need a rule set of posting topics in dev section as far as rom/kernel releases goes, for example..
[DATE][ROM/KERNEL] Rom Title [Version][Extra Info]
Obviously thats just a quick example but really think the first 2 sections (ie date/type] should be mandatory at front so that all dates/types are in line. Anywhere else and they all just go completely random.
Agree/Disagree , why, thoughts?
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Thoughts? Sure, site-wide rule suggestions don't belong in device sub-forums.
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Thoughts? Sure, site-wide rule suggestions don't belong in device sub-forums.
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Well it was in the least just for our forum since mods can create per section rules, however the rule could be made global ideally.