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Is the Tab unpopular with developers?

I'm surprised that there's so little activity on this. I think the device is great and the perfect form factor.
Coming from the ZTE Blade forums which have many developers and custom ROMs, I'm wondering why there seems to be so little going on? Is it an unpopular model? Too expensive? Or is the software so great that there's little need to MOD it?

I think that (a) not a ton of people have it and (b) the fragmentation between the versions makes it difficult to work with, unfortunately.

I'm coming from the HD2 forum which has a huge community of devs so im a bit sad myself to see so little dev work for the Tab
Although its really good news to see honeycomb dev going, I just hope we get some more devs popping up and joining party.

There is a fair bit of activity, but people are more drawn to Honeycomb than the something more suited to daily use. Now we have Honeycomb ports on GSM and CDMA devices, this could be what we wanted to draw developers to the Tab.
Coming from a Desire myself wwhere you'd have about 4 varients of the same rom, 2-5 roms total seems very, very strange.
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GANJDROID said:
Now we have Honeycomb ports on GSM and CDMA devices,
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wtf? where???
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I think the simple facts are that phones are far more prevalent than tablets.
When the Tab first came out, it was quite expensive and that's going to have put quite a few people off. Now it's cheaper, but there are other products coming onto the market which are probably more appealing to new purchasers because they will either come with Honeycomb, or will be getting it (e.g. HTC Flyer).
To be honest though, I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing that there aren't so many ROMs kicking about - many of the ROMs you see for popular phones are essentially either repacks of official ROMs, or are variants of CyanogenMod, and in reality within those groupings there's little to differentiate between them.
Regards,
Dave

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wtf? where???
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Haha wakey wakey my old friend
Sadly low activity is because tab has many form factors, versions, regional firmwares that makes it hard to track. Also ppl being drawn by peer pressure to look for a certain other device we all know its name that makes you IQ actually go lower contributes some of it.

Cost to much at release too

yeah. i think cost must be a big factor. i only bought mine around a month ago. i was going to buy a nook color, but at the checkout a special offer flashed up for a Tab (16gb) for only $500 so i took it. very happy with it.
currently running the stock unbranded euro GSM rom. i rooted it by hand, but will probably look to back it up and experiment with some roms.
i'm mainly hoping to:
1. get rid of RFS and replace with ext2
2. get rid of the horrible theme and replace it with a darker theme

Charles Darke said:
yeah. i think cost must be a big factor. i only bought mine around a month ago. i was going to buy a nook color, but at the checkout a special offer flashed up for a Tab (16gb) for only $500 so i took it. very happy with it.
currently running the stock unbranded euro GSM rom. i rooted it by hand, but will probably look to back it up and experiment with some roms.
i'm mainly hoping to:
1. get rid of RFS and replace with ext2
2. get rid of the horrible theme and replace it with a darker theme
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ext4 is safer, don't use ext2.

Is there that much difference? I was thinking ext2 or ext4 without journal would be much faster.

Charles Darke said:
Is there that much difference? I was thinking ext2 or ext4 without journal would be much faster.
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Ye, but at the cost of stability. It's your Tab

Forum Viewings

Do you see the huge difference in viewing counts between SGT 10.1 and Asus transformer in forums? Although SGT is a better product it seems that Transformer is more popular. I wonder why.

I'm sure it is the fact that the dock and sd support right out of the gate had something to do with it. Not to mention that a lot of folks already had experience with eee products and people tend to lean toward more comfortable environments when given options. I swore off Asus after my last few laptops. Their quality dropped off and the screens were the worst I had had in years. Bad screen=bad experience for me.

Price. Solid tablet.

peare said:
Do you see the huge difference in viewing counts between SGT 10.1 and Asus transformer in forums? Although SGT is a better product it seems that Transformer is more popular. I wonder why.
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I wouldn't say the Sgt is a better product, just a different product. The Sgt is a tablet in it's purest form, whereas the Transformer is more of a hybrid between a tablet/netbook. Your requirements will determine is the best product for your needs.
Regards,
Dave

Transformer has been out a lot longer.
Also initially it's a lot more tempting. $100 cheaper tempts a lot of people, not many have seen the build quality reviews, nor have they seen that Asus is heavily backordered on all accessories, even simple critical stuff like sync/charge cables. Lose/damage your cable and you're screwed.
Samsung has the same proprietary cable problem as Asus, but at least there is availability of replacements, not just from Samsung but from third parties.
This was the main reason that drove me away from the Transformer.

Aaron636r said:
Price. Solid tablet.
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Exactly, cheaper product in more hands
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Lets not forget that the Tab 10.1 isn't even available in all markets yet either (it's still a month off for Canada, for instance).

Look at it this way... People come to forums primarily to complain and get solutions to problems. If they're getting more posts it may not be a good thing.

TabGuy said:
Look at it this way... People come to forums primarily to complain and get solutions to problems. If they're getting more posts it may not be a good thing.
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+1 on this. I hate to say it, but that's what brought me back here. It had been so long since I had posted in the forum I couldn't rememer my account password. I had to open a new one. It's all good. I needed to be more social. I usually just get the info I need without posting. Plenty of people asking the same questions more than once on these forums. Hence the read forums only on my part. That and I can come across rather harsh sometimes so, i keep it to myself. But, over the years I have learned more people generally mean more problems.

T120ted said:
But, over the years I have learned more people generally mean more problems.
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It's only partially true though - more people often also means more popular/widespread too. If it didn't, by post count alone, the Huawei Ideos X7, Notion Ink Adam, and Advent Vega would clearly be the tablets with the least issues!
Regards,
Dave

Another factor is that many generic Android questions get answered in the earlier forums and become more device specific in the newer (latest device) forums.

Lack of development

I'm disappointed that there isn't much development going on for the Thrive. I'm also curious as to why? I bought one after doing major comparison between all the tablets available and I chose this one because of the specs, size and of course, capabilities. My friends have other tablets, such as the Acer 500 and I rooted it last night for him and it's nowhere near the speed of my Thrive.
I guess I'll just have to wait it out but damn, I want a new ROM on this already. Just having it rooted isn't enough to take advantage of even a fraction of the capabilities this thing has.
Regards,
rast4man

rast4man said:
I'm disappointed that there isn't much development going on for the Thrive. I'm also curious as to why? I bought one after doing major comparison between all the tablets available and I chose this one because of the specs, size and of course, capabilities. My friends have other tablets, such as the Acer 500 and I rooted it last night for him and it's nowhere near the speed of my Thrive.
I guess I'll just have to wait it out but damn, I want a new ROM on this already. Just having it rooted isn't enough to take advantage of even a fraction of the capabilities this thing has.
Regards,
rast4man
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I think a lot of it has to do with the lack of developers having the device. I think if I had one I would probably be putting something together - but I have the Transformer - and no time at the present.

There has been ROM development, just not here.
Google thrive forums to see.

xciton said:
There has been ROM development, just not here.
Google thrive forums to see.
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I did and not too impressed with what I've seen. I think there are what, 3 ROMS available? I'm going to keep this but get the Acer A500 I think since it has tons of development right now.
Thanks for the replies!
Regards,
rast4man

I was in the same boat so to say my first choice was the thrive I happily bought it after much consideration of other tablets on the market at the time .. once I got home I enjoyed the speed and the thrives native apps but I went to XDA to se what was popping and nothing lol a dead tablet on the development front.so I tried the Asus liked the screen but didn't want to pat $160 u.s. for USB and extra battery life so i bought my Iconia and ill tell ya what I freaking love it besides some problems with Gameloft apps but usb HDMI micro SD I'm happy and amazing veiwing angles!
Sent from my A500 using Tapatalk

Well I have the thrive and it is rooted and has a OC Kernel and Dalepl's stock rom, am I sorry that it does not have some great rom on it, NO it is quite functional and is twice the tablet of any Acer Iconia, and just to be clear I HAVE HAD a Acer Iconia, Motorola Xoom and the Almighty Samsung and all lasted less than a week before returning them, have had my thrive since release and could not be more pleased, and all of the substandard tabs are gone!!!!

I waited in line on black Friday for the Asus transformer because it has a large development scene, but they ran out and I ended up with the Toshiba for $30 more. I've got to day, for what I paid, the Toshiba is cool, but I wish I could get some cyanogen on here.
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same here. Love the size and Honeycomb. Have a Samsung galaxy tab 7" and wanted something bigger and newer. Made the mistake of upgrading to 3.2.1 and was hoping the great minds of XDA have figured out how to downgrade to root. Kind of disappointed on the development but maybe we weren't the only ones who went to buy the Transformer and ended up with the thrive. Only time will tell.

Don't know why this thing isn't more popular. Just got mine the other day. So far I love the fact that I can plug in the dongle from my computers wireless keyboard and an hdmi cable to my big screen tv, pair it to a wii remote and have at it. Absolutely awesome!
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There is a lot more for it but not on this Forum, I would just say Google the thrive and the other forum will come up in search results and yes there is plenty of Development going on. I cannot put the forum's name here because they will just delete the name if not my complete post.

Yeah, I'm a recovering rom-flasher myself, and I was initially kind of bummed out at the fact that there are not dozens of choices for ROMs, but then I got to asking myself "Why?"
I have Cyanogen 7 on my HTC LEO, and I can flash a new version every week if I want, or if I get tired of that, there are many other ROMS I can choose from. But for the Tablet, I'm looking for a stable portable platform to read forums, e-books, maybe play a few games. The Thrive fills that bill, and the hardware is more versatile than most other tablets out there. I rooted the stock 3.1 ROM so I could use Titanium Backup and nmap, and I don't think I'll upgrade until Ice Cream Sandwich comes out, if then. 3.2 seems to be mostly for 7" tablets so it doesn't interest me much.
I see that there are other ROMS on those "unmetnionable" forums, but I've learned over the years to trust the developers and forums at XDA so I don't really want to take a chance elsewhere.
That's my two cents' worth and if you don't agree, I applaud you - enjoy flashing whatever you can find - it's a lot of fun, and I will continue to do so on my HTC phone, but not on my tablet. Just my opinion.
Walt

I wish you had one
jerdog said:
I think a lot of it has to do with the lack of developers having the device. I think if I had one I would probably be putting something together - but I have the Transformer - and no time at the present.
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I wish you had one jerdog. If I could I'd buy you one myself. I just picked one up online for $307 shipped out the door. It's a 16gb model.
Charles

I think it will be picking up speed soon. Compared to other tablets on the market right now, spec wise, the Thrive is pure ownage! I still have mine and use it frequently. I'm cool with just having it rooted for now so we'll see what happens in the future for development.
Regards,
rast4man

ceabbott2 said:
I wish you had one jerdog. If I could I'd buy you one myself. I just picked one up online for $307 shipped out the door. It's a 16gb model.
Charles
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LOL - if I had the money I would buy one myself too!

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LOL - if I had the money I would buy one myself too!
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I dropped mine last night and cracked the screen on the bottom. It still works perfect and the crack doesn't even get in the way when using it. Wanna' buy it cheap?
Regards,
rast4man

rast4man said:
I dropped mine last night and cracked the screen on the bottom. It still works perfect and the crack doesn't even get in the way when using it. Wanna' buy it cheap?
Regards,
rast4man
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LOL - nope. Thanks though!

walts said:
Yeah, I'm a recovering rom-flasher myself, and I was initially kind of bummed out at the fact that there are not dozens of choices for ROMs, but then I got to asking myself "Why?"
I have Cyanogen 7 on my HTC LEO, and I can flash a new version every week if I want, or if I get tired of that, there are many other ROMS I can choose from. But for the Tablet, I'm looking for a stable portable platform to read forums, e-books, maybe play a few games. The Thrive fills that bill, and the hardware is more versatile than most other tablets out there. I rooted the stock 3.1 ROM so I could use Titanium Backup and nmap, and I don't think I'll upgrade until Ice Cream Sandwich comes out, if then. 3.2 seems to be mostly for 7" tablets so it doesn't interest me much.
I see that there are other ROMS on those "unmetnionable" forums, but I've learned over the years to trust the developers and forums at XDA so I don't really want to take a chance elsewhere.
That's my two cents' worth and if you don't agree, I applaud you - enjoy flashing whatever you can find - it's a lot of fun, and I will continue to do so on my HTC phone, but not on my tablet. Just my opinion.
Walt
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Well then you will lose out because the Thrive on XDA will soon be dead and those of us on the other forum will have everything we want on our tablets and thank god that crap cyanogen is not on the thrive!!!!

Performance! But....
I have purchased two of these devices.... One 16G and one 8G. Both ate verymooth and perform very nicely.
Even though Im enjoying the units, I still believe that there should become level of focus on these units. Toshiba now has these units up to V3.3 and have things locked down tightly. Though I believe they did a nice job on the stock ROM, I still believe there should be a root option to admonisyer my personal device. I also believe that the collective brain trust of XDA could produce a ROM that shows the true capability of this hardware platform.
One of the coolest features of the 10.1 inch units is that it has a user replacable battery! How cool is that??
Im not a programmer and barely qualify as a script kiddie in this day of age. So like others on this forum, I have to wait for those with the knowledge and motivation to provide the future path and direction.

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Anyway, glad another developer is on line. I think this is the best overall tablet around. So lets make sure it is. I hope you will be doing custom work, we need someone to do that for individuals that like custom ROMs. Take care.
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I agree! This tablet rocks. I've have had the Kindle Fire, Acer A100, Nook Tablet, and now this and I love it. I will be doing some custom work.

Great! Custom work is what we need to round off this thing. Do you do kernel work by chance?
I have the Thrive 10.1" and Thrive 7" and if you have looked at my work, I mainly keep it stock. That is what I like and I have a lot of people who like that. If you need base ROMs, feel free to download and use mine.
By the way, sorry if you thought you affended me. Was not wanting you to think that. Just wanted you to know why I do what I do and where. Cheers

ICS Port ROM

http://www.freeyourandroid.com/guide/compile-ics
A guide on making an ics port to pretty much any device, like the acer iconia tab, ill try making a rom later this week and post it here, will probably need some help though

azoller1 said:
http://www.freeyourandroid.com/guide/compile-ics
A guide on making an ics port to pretty much any device, like the acer iconia tab, ill try making a rom later this week and post it here, will probably need some help though
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still need a lot of drivers, which is why there has been so little development progress as of late.

azoller1 said:
http://www.freeyourandroid.com/guide/compile-ics
A guide on making an ics port to pretty much any device, like the acer iconia tab, ill try making a rom later this week and post it here, will probably need some help though
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Think you will need more time then one week, but still good luck, i think xmiss got you to optimistic.

azoller1 said:
http://www.freeyourandroid.com/guide/compile-ics
A guide on making an ics port to pretty much any device, like the acer iconia tab, ill try making a rom later this week and post it here, will probably need some help though
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Might want to upgrade your PC. I hear it can take half a day or more on a dual core.
But good luck to you!

I wish it was a easy as following a guide. Unfortunately, it isn't. I've messed my device tree up more times then I care to think about.
@ Moscow Desire,
Usually 3 to 5 hours depending on exact chip and how much RAM you have. Can be longer of course.

Is 4GB ram pretty good to make it

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Is 4GB ram pretty good to make it
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That's what I had on my older laptop. I was getting 3 to 5 hour compiles depending on what i was compiling.

though I'd welcome new developers of ICS, since we only just have two currently.
I think it would be better to just assist with the development of either of those two then to start a whole new one from the ground up.
Progress is going to be woeful until we get dumps from Acer for the OTA expected some time late next month..

qwertylesh said:
though I'd welcome new developers of ICS, since we only just have two currently.
I think it would be better to just assist with the development of either of those two then to start a whole new one from the ground up.
Progress is going to be woeful until we get dumps from Acer for the OTA expected some time late next month..
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Yeah, but let's not bring that up again. Sometimes, apple and oranges don't mix. Everybody has their own way of doing things.
Besides, it's not a race Blaze has done more than most of us. Hell, he got it started. But ICS, from what I've seen from insiders, is a whole new ball game.
And you're right about dumps from Acer. Currently, as seen with virtually every ICS port for most every device, there are some roadblocks. Specifically when it comes to camera and HW drivers. If you look at most major dev threads, Phone and tab alike, it gets stonewalled at these exact places.
My guess, is that Google released the base chunks to the Hardware manufacturers, to enable them to create drivers for this. But they didn't release it openly. This is why 99% of the devs, are stonewalled when it comes to this point. And I just talk about a couple of key things. Lord knows how much else they kept private.
Hell, in the MS quarterly dev subscription, they would provide us with the basics on how things worked for most mainstream devices. At least it gave us a background on what it took to develop drivers specific to our hardware.
Blaze, keep pushing on dude. It will all fall into place soon. And you're about 10 steps or more, ahead of everybody when things do get released.
Happy New Year Everybody!!

Anyone else notice that development for the A500/A501 sucks?

I'm just sayin..... I'm not trying to start anything its just that every time I come on to XDA theres never really a new topic for the Acer A50-
I have an EVO 4g and theres always new topics and development and I have had other HTC phones and been here for a frew years now
With no bootloader access (except for It's Magic), No drivers, and slow support from manufacture and otherwise.
I have a feeling that this tablet is out to lunch and soon out to pasture.
What do you think?
Sent from my Acer Iconia A500 using xda premium

I also own an A500 and a HTC EVO 4G. Although I do understand a bit where you're coming from, I think it's mostly a difference between a phone and a tablet forum.
I also think it's a difference in quantity versus quality. We have some very nice, stable ROMs for the A500 where everything works. For most EVO ROM announcement threads, I just disregard them after reading the OP and seeing that 4G doesn't work, GPS has problems, MMS has problems, landscape Rosie doesn't work, etc. Plus quite a few of those EVO "ROMs" are just tweaked versions of earlier released ROMs that are heavily themed.
Also, I think the A500 community here on XDA is a little guilty of running off quite a few of our devs by being ungrateful, overly demanding, etc. Compound that with some devs having a little bit of an attitude, and I think we're lucky to have the devs that we still do.
Although I almost immediately wanted to root/ROM my EVO 4G, I was perfectly happy with stock root on my A500, and that's basically what I'm running now. I flashed ezterry's 3.2.1 ROM, tweaked it a little myself, threw ADW Launcher EX at it with a nice theme, and I'm a happy camper patiently waiting for Acer to release ICS.

There is a big difference between phone ownership and tablet ownership. I would have to guess its something like 10,000 android phone owners to every 1 android tablet owner. And the Evo 4g was the flagship of Android phone for a long time. I too owned the Evo 4g and my wife still has one. I moved on to the Evo 3d and love it. I agree, it would be nice to see some excitement in these forums but when I use my tablet I want it to work and work right. I switched back to a rooted stock rom because almost all of the roms I found were really just themes and had removed apps that I like. The roms that are highly customized like thors or flexstriker always have glitches or changed to much. I'll run stock until ICS drops and then I hope some more exciting developing will be going on. My work just purchased me an Ipad 2 and I have played with it for a few days now. I'll have to say, the Ipad will be used for work, but when I want to play I'll be reaching for my A500.

You know what I hated about all the roms for the evo, it was all the badly themed roms with the same tweaks.
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internetpilot said:
We have some very nice, stable ROMs for the A500 where everything works.
Also, I think the A500 community here on XDA is a little guilty of running off quite a few of our devs by being ungrateful, overly demanding, etc. Compound that with some devs having a little bit of an attitude, and I think we're lucky to have the devs that we still do.
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Exactly. Lately, we've had a new kernel released, along with a new recovery by Dres. And a couple of the newer released roms (3.2.1) @Civato and myself and a couple of others. So I wouldn't say that development has ceased. I would say, that Dev's and Modders have pushed HC about as far as it can go.
And yes, some people like to use the forum for their own battle ground. They know who they are. This isn't a backwoods chat room, but some people just like to start scandals.
But I am sure most people appreciate the work that is done. If you want to know how much work is put into things, get a stock rom, and try doing it.

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I'm just sayin..... I'm not trying to start anything its just that every time I come on to XDA theres never really a new topic for the Acer A50-
I have an EVO 4g and theres always new topics and development and I have had other HTC phones and been here for a frew years now
With no bootloader access (except for It's Magic), No drivers, and slow support from manufacture and otherwise.
I have a feeling that this tablet is out to lunch and soon out to pasture.
What do you think?
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It's easy to complain and say that there's nothing going on when you're not even giving any suggestions. I mean, more-or-less all the interesting things have already been tried and done, and the next thing to do would be to fundamentally alter how Honeycomb works. And that is simply a very big task to undertake.
Of course we could also go the same route as people like to go on other devices, ie. release a gazillion different ROMs where the only difference is in theming and color scheme. But that isn't development.
So go ahead and make some suggestions or wishes about what you'd want to see. Also keep in mind that HC is HC and many of us are satisfied with it as it is. Like e.g. I really have only one or two things to improve on that would even be possible with HC, everything else I want would require a whole new OS altogether. And as that ain't possible I really have no reason to develop for A500 at all, I simply don't view releasing yet another HC ROM that fixes the two minor nibbles I have with it as being worth my (or anyone else's) time.

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It's easy to complain and say that there's nothing going on when you're not even giving any suggestions. I mean, more-or-less all the interesting things have already been tried and done, and the next thing to do would be to fundamentally alter how Honeycomb works. And that is simply a very big task to undertake.
Of course we could also go the same route as people like to go on other devices, ie. release a gazillion different ROMs where the only difference is in theming and color scheme. But that isn't development.
So go ahead and make some suggestions or wishes about what you'd want to see. Also keep in mind that HC is HC and many of us are satisfied with it as it is. Like e.g. I really have only one or two things to improve on that would even be possible with HC, everything else I want would require a whole new OS altogether. And as that ain't possible I really have no reason to develop for A500 at all, I simply don't view releasing yet another HC ROM that fixes the two minor nibbles I have with it as being worth my (or anyone else's) time.
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maybe we just need to forget that f**ing HC maybe we need to look at the future HC for me is a waste of time and resources i just saying we could do better :angel

KeePeeR26 said:
maybe we just need to forget that f**ing HC maybe we need to look at the future HC for me is a waste of time and resources i just saying we could do better :angel
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Well, if you're referring to ICS then I have to say that even ICS doesn't address the fundamental issues I have with the whole Android platform. Of course it is a step up from HC, I'm not denying that, but even ICS is plenty rough around the corners and patched up with Mickey Mouse - plasters and chewing gum.

WereCatf said:
Well, if you're referring to ICS then I have to say that even ICS doesn't address the fundamental issues I have with the whole Android platform. Of course it is a step up from HC, I'm not denying that, but even ICS is plenty rough around the corners and patched up with Mickey Mouse - plasters and chewing gum.
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As much as I like Android, this is what you get when you get a search company writing an OS instead of a company that's been making OS's for 20+ years...
Bells and whistles are great, but not if your core functionality is farked.

FloatingFatMan said:
As much as I like Android, this is what you get when you get a search company writing an OS instead of a company that's been making OS's for 20+ years...
Bells and whistles are great, but not if your core functionality is farked.
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That and if windows tablets that still have a Intel CPUs, that steam store will be a hard app store to beat
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On the whole, I don't think you have the right to complain. The devs are nice enough to share what they do. If you don't like it then make your own rom...
Waiting to see what you can come up with....

ultramag69 said:
On the whole, I don't think you have the right to complain. The devs are nice enough to share what they do. If you don't like it then make your own rom...
Waiting to see what you can come up with....
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This i totally agree with . All of the tools are open and free to all. Thousands of internet sites books and other media to help.. Not to mention the new mobile development center at MIT...
TO Bad im a Blonde from Kentucky.. Boohooooo i just have to wait and hope .

erica_renee said:
This i totally agree with . All of the tools are open and free to all. Thousands of internet sites books and other media to help.. Not to mention the new mobile development center at MIT...
TO Bad im a Blonde from Kentucky.. Boohooooo i just have to wait and hope .
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Oh, we should post a sign. "Don't feed the Trolls".
Noticed how the OP edited his post, to include the 501 after I posted a simple response.
Some people, just show absolutely no appreciation to the hard work people do. We do it, so others can enjoy it.
Is it a sense of accomplishment, yeah, it is. Especially when it works for 95% of the users.
I'm no Dev. I'm a "fry cook". But I understand what Devs go through. Been there, did that.
Some people, will never be satisfied, no matter what you do. It's a pity.
Ought to kill this thread, as really, as the OP showed, it's an insult to all dev's and Modders.
And people wonder why the devs and modders leave xda. Just look at the title that was posted.
The best thing, is to ignore such posts, from such people, as they are just designed to get people into a pissing war, while they sit back and get amusement.

No way!
Without the efforts of many developers we wouldn't have the following:
USB 3G support for the A500
Eye candy boot animations and themes
Lean operating environment by removing uneccesary startup software
Improved GPS response
Improved kernels for stable overclocking
As far as I'm concerned, the Dev contributers are doing a splendid job.
HTC Desire
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JustAnotherDrOidUser said:
No way!
Without the efforts of many developers we wouldn't have the following:
USB 3G support for the A500
Eye candy boot animations and themes
Lean operating environment by removing uneccesary startup software
Improved GPS response
Improved kernels for stable overclocking
As far as I'm concerned, the Dev contributers are doing a splendid job.
HTC Desire
ROM: MIUI-XJ v2.2.10 (D2EXT X-PART)
Recovery: 4EXT Classic
Acer Iconia A500
ROM: civato-FLEXSTRIKER-R9.5
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This is all very true thank you for an awesome reply
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Moscow Desire said:
Oh, we should post a sign. "Don't feed the Trolls".
Noticed how the OP edited his post, to include the 501 after I posted a simple response.
Some people, just show absolutely no appreciation to the hard work people do. We do it, so others can enjoy it.
Is it a sense of accomplishment, yeah, it is. Especially when it works for 95% of the users.
I'm no Dev. I'm a "fry cook". But I understand what Devs go through. Been there, did that.
Some people, will never be satisfied, no matter what you do. It's a pity.
Ought to kill this thread, as really, as the OP showed, it's an insult to all dev's and Modders.
And people wonder why the devs and modders leave xda. Just look at the title that was posted.
The best thing, is to ignore such posts, from such people, as they are just designed to get people into a pissing war, while they sit back and get amusement.
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No disrespect but your the only one I really see running around here *****ing and complaining. Seriously tge thread is going in the direction it was meant. Im not hassling devs thier talents are amazing in this place. Ive been here for years. Um just not real happy with my product even in the capable hands here. Thats all.
P.S. I did want to come back and update this post for you. Like Ibsaid I have been here for years. I remeber when xda was a lot different when people just ignored stupid comments and there wasnt all this he said she said tolling fad crap adults were adults and children were children. But oh how the waters have muddied even for a few who cook and code. Not all but as the new popular xda saying goes: "you know who you are" ;-)
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erica_renee said:
This i totally agree with . All of the tools are open and free to all. Thousands of internet sites books and other media to help.. Not to mention the new mobile development center at MIT...
TO Bad im a Blonde from Kentucky.. Boohooooo i just have to wait and hope .
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1. The tools aren't all open. They simply aren't. Remember the thor fiasco?
2. No one cares if you're a blonde from Kentucky. Posting about waiting & hoping will do nothing for anyone.
adambomb_13 said:
No disrespect but your the only one I really see running around here *****ing and complaining. Seriously tge thread is going in the direction it was meant. Im not hassling devs thier talents are amazing in this place. Ive been here for years. Um just not real happy with my product even in the capable hands here. Thats all.
P.S. I did want to come back and update this post for you. Like Ibsaid I have been here for years. I remeber when xda was a lot different when people just ignored stupid comments and there wasnt all this he said she said tolling fad crap adults were adults and children were children. But oh how the waters have muddied even for a few who cook and code. Not all but as the new popular xda saying goes: "you know who you are" ;-)
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If you're going to complain about stuff not being done, learn to program, and do it yourself.

apapousek said:
If you're going to complain about stuff not being done, learn to program, and do it yourself.
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Drop the elitist attitude.
Not everyone has the qualities needed to make a programmer, just as not everyone has the qualities to become a successful artist; some people simply are better wired for it than others. Not to mention actual real-life issues.

WereCatf said:
Drop the elitist attitude.
Not everyone has the qualities needed to make a programmer, just as not everyone has the qualities to become a successful artist; some people simply are better wired for it than others. Not to mention actual real-life issues.
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True, but if you are going to make a thread titled "development for my tablet sucks", you should be ready to ****ing drop some command line ninja skills.
It seems like the op was meaning to say "development seems to have stalled", but inflammatory language is inflammatory...
(ps, I am all sorts of drunk (woot woot switfkey autocorrection) and the useless bickering of the A500 forums makes me an angry drunk)
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Psichi said:
(ps, I am all sorts of drunk (woot woot switfkey autocorrection) and the useless bickering of the A500 forums makes me an angry drunk)
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Heh. Mind if I join you? Got a bottle of vodka and I'm bored out of my skull, getting drunk sounds like a rather good idea!