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1- why can't I run stock Google android on my phone ala Nexus one- and update as a nexus one would . A link as i am not afraid to read.
2- what happened to the guy who's video I saw that was close to running stock android on his vibrant.
chkn said:
1- why can't I run stock Google android on my phone ala Nexus one- and update as a nexus one would . A link as i am not afraid to read.
2- what happened to the guy who's video I saw that was close to running stock android on his vibrant.
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You need drivers.
The CM6 project is dedicated to getting relatively stock Android running on the Vibrant.
chkn said:
1- why can't I run stock Google android on my phone ala Nexus one- and update as a nexus one would . A link as i am not afraid to read.
2- what happened to the guy who's video I saw that was close to running stock android on his vibrant.
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1). As reuthermonkey stated, it's down to hardware drivers. Even though AndroidOS itself is open with source code available, this is not always the case with the drivers the OS needs to access functions on a given phone. Most of the drivers for any device (phone or otherwise) are proprietary. Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Huawei, LG, Sony...these companies have to PAY for drivers from chipset/soc manufacturers to integrate them into their devices and as such the code for those drivers isn't necessarily freely available. To gain access to these proprietary drivers is a tedious process of reverse engineering.
2). The process of getting most phones "close to running stock android" is a careful process of ripping apart a given phone's OS and cobbling together 3rd party or AOSP project tools/apps to approach being a "vanilla android" feeling experience. Many of these "custom roms" are great, but it can equally be said that most of them are personal projects made by people who love to tweak things to their liking, and not necessarily made to be great for everyone. And most of these stay in a perpetual state of beta-ness. Cyanogenmod CM6 is really the only well developed project dedicated to truly bringing the vanilla android experience to phones at the moment, and then only to phones that CM devs actually have in hand as it's an entirely volunteer project. Be grateful our phone is soon to be blessed with CM6.1.
chkn said:
1- why can't I run stock Google android on my phone ala Nexus one- and update as a nexus one would . A link as i am not afraid to read.
2- what happened to the guy who's video I saw that was close to running stock android on his vibrant.
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Basically what would need to happen is someone take the source from Google. With that source you need to find a way to basically make all of your drivers (Samsung's Galaxy S Vibrant drivers) work with the android platform. It's not an easy process of adapting drivers to something else, it sounds like oh yeah include the drivers and you'll be good right? Unfortunately it's not as easy as just plug and play.
On the second note, i'm pretty sure what your thinking of is Eugene's Vanilla Rom he's been putting together.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=757000&highlight=Vanilla
It looks like he's got some good progress and there is a download going for it. I don't think it's something he's focusing on either. I think the main reason why is with Froyo coming sooner or later there's really no reason to invest time in a 2.1 vanilla rom with as much work that goes into building it from source.
Hope this answers your questions. BTW, as a reference, there is a Q&A forum which would be a better place to put this Question.
Eugene's AOSP 2.1 Port is dead. And rightly so, no need wasting time getting 2.1 AOSP running on the device.
On a side note however, another developer has jumped in to help CM 6.1 reach Vibrant. And it might take a long long time before G2 has any kind of custom rom support.
Is there a reason why the dev community cannot get behind cyanogenmod and still get donated to? Is there some kind of politics involved that will not allow this relationship? I just think I would like to see the effort into one project that is solid, without all the themes and "personal" touches you see with everything else.
In a word it doesnt seem like much progress is being made, except for some screenshots from the dude and an alpha build from eugene. If Eugene, Som, Codeworkxs thedudesandroid, and the rest of the vibrant devs worked on a gingerbread based cyanogenmod, it would benefit everyone.
Move me, flame me, just dont one line answer me.
Yours to change and modify:
https://github.com/CyanogenMod
Ideologies differ. Work ethics differ. I think a move like this would be destined to fail.
Have you personally experienced both Macnut and Nero? Both ROMS are outstanding. I think the more fragmented the ROMS are, the more ideas, experiments, and innovation will occur. I think to push devs to a single common platform would be both stifling and detrimental to the android modding community as a whole.
Besides, all the devs have the same problem... Drivers. Until we start seeing Gingerbread leaks, all devs would have the same stumbling block anyway, whether they are working as one, or separately.
i'm fairly certain all CM ROMs have been halted and work has been pushed to CM7.0 Gingerbread based. With the Nexus S (NS) being the same thing with a few minor difference to all the other SGS phones and the NS source being openly available for people, we should see a true Gingerbread CM ROM for all the SGS phones once they figure out the necessary changes to make our variants work. This time it should be easier, thanks to all the Devs who came before and figured out Samsung's ass-backwards way of doing things.
Time and patience will reward with the greatest Android ROM the world has ever seen!
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i'm fairly certain all CM ROMs have been halted and work has been pushed to CM7.0 Gingerbread based. With the Nexus S (NS) being the same thing with a few minor difference to all the other SGS phones and the NS source being openly available for people, we should see a true Gingerbread CM ROM for all the SGS phones once they figure out the necessary changes to make our variants work. This time it should be easier, thanks to all the Devs who came before and figured out Samsung's ass-backwards way of doing things.
Time and patience will reward with the greatest Android ROM the world has ever seen!
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This makes me moist.
d33dvb said:
Is there a reason why the dev community cannot get behind cyanogenmod and still get donated to? Is there some kind of politics involved that will not allow this relationship? I just think I would like to see the effort into one project that is solid, without all the themes and "personal" touches you see with everything else.
In a word it doesnt seem like much progress is being made, except for some screenshots from the dude and an alpha build from eugene. If Eugene, Som, Codeworkxs thedudesandroid, and the rest of the vibrant devs worked on a gingerbread based cyanogenmod, it would benefit everyone.
Move me, flame me, just dont one line answer me.
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my question for you, is why does it have to be cyanogenmod? Youre asking all devs to collaborate to come up with one big super-ROM, yet it will still only be under the name of one developer, Cyanogen?? This doesnt make much sense.
So basically what youre asking is, since you PERSONALLY would prefer to run cyanogenmod on your phone, you want all other Vibrant devs to concede their own projects to assist your personal favorite developer with his project??
Why doesnt CM help with a new Team Whiskey ROM?? If your answer is because CM is more popular and has more development-power in the Android world, then you have answered your own question in regards to the "politics" that may be behind it.
I feel a lot of people (not necessarily the OP) just seek the "cyanogenmod" title to their ROM, without even really knowing what it is. They just hear the name thrown around all over the place and want to feel like they are in the loop; which is just mindless, in my opinion.
Its great to have several devs, with several different projects. It gives the average user (non-dev) options, and different things to choose from and try.
If you went to a car show, and every car had the same exact engine in it, what would be interesting in that??
what a communist suggestion
I, personally, love that there are many diff ROM's to choose from. I love having that variety. I prefer <tw> ROM's, just because they theme it pretty much how I would theme a ROM (and they scream), If I was even remotely capable of Dev'ing. Eugene makes an awsome ROM too, But not to my personal taste. On my G1 I always used cm ROM's, but the way they work at this point that's not possible for a Vibrant. So I guess what I'm saying is, I'm glad they're not all concentrating on one ROM because we would still be waiting... stuck with RFS !
I just want that Cyanogen bluetooth stack on a regular (sans Touchwiz) Galaxy S rom with TV out. The Bluetoouth stack is the only reason why I am using Cyanogen outside of the speedy OS.
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I get what you mean but I have to say that I love flashing different devs roms & kernels, I would hate to be slave to one idea...I could have gone iOs for that.....get it iOs 4! I kill myself sometimes...
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my question for you, is why does it have to be cyanogenmod? Youre asking all devs to collaborate to come up with one big super-ROM, yet it will still only be under the name of one developer, Cyanogen?? This doesnt make much sense.
So basically what youre asking is, since you PERSONALLY would prefer to run cyanogenmod on your phone, you want all other Vibrant devs to concede their own projects to assist your personal favorite developer with his project??
Why doesnt CM help with a new Team Whiskey ROM?? If your answer is because CM is more popular and has more development-power in the Android world, then you have answered your own question in regards to the "politics" that may be behind it.
I feel a lot of people (not necessarily the OP) just seek the "cyanogenmod" title to their ROM, without even really knowing what it is. They just hear the name thrown around all over the place and want to feel like they are in the loop; which is just mindless, in my opinion.
Its great to have several devs, with several different projects. It gives the average user (non-dev) options, and different things to choose from and try.
If you went to a car show, and every car had the same exact engine in it, what would be interesting in that??
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Agreed. It seems to be the "you want what you can't have" theory. It's going to be funny when there is finally a CM ROM and all these same ppl that wanted it are going to wonder why CM is so plain looking and isn't themed up. It's an endless cycle. CM offers support to multiple devices, which gets their name out there. But I can promise you if you've ran ROMs such as Nero + voodoo, even the best running CM isn't going to "blow it away" in performance, maybe some fun features, but that'll about do it.
I'm satisfied with TWs stuff. All I'm hoping for is that we can get drivers written to do our own ASOP roms, so we can one day have 2.3 and beyond.
im curious about this as well and being that i have no clue, i feel completely authorized to put in my .02 that i thought the primary reason we dont have cm for the galaxy was due to lack of aosp/drivers...
LOL, you sad bunch of folks think I have never flashed a rom on the vibrant? Sure I have, but they are all roms based off of samsuck files, with a theme pushed on top. This requires some skill and understanding, but it does not make you a "ROM D3V"
I am not in any way trying to push everyone to cyanogenmod, I am trying to get the "real devs" to work on things like GPS drivers and such as a whole, to benefit everyone, you think the tricks we learn as a group you cannot then use as an individual? You cannot say I am communist (lmao) because I want the devs to work together, I suppose that what people say about XDA is true, the users who are flaming me make it unbearable to have a real conversation. I mean just look there are several "FANBOY" posts already, and we are on post 13. No wonder the real devs ficking hate XDA. The sole reason I personally like cyan is because of the testing that it goes through, to make sure embarrassing bugs dont happen often. He has developed a rom for my G1, then both my Mytouch's and just miss running it on my vibrant, thats all. My G1 is sitting here running CM 6.1.0 and my phone still sits here on Ginger Clone, the best there is right now.
FYI when there was lack of drivers on the Dream/Magic someone re-wrote them, mmkay?
It has always seemed that the devs share fairly well. While they don't work together on one project, they share what is needed and form teams of likeminded people to push out better and better products. If you want to see what happens when you get everyone together and make them all focus on one big new release look at samsung itself. These small teams can operate with greater freedom to build and release mods and roms as they see fit. Xda is about sharing info and improving our machines. Would we really want to have gingerbread today without all the options and flavors that different dev teams put together. If you say yes, that's fine, but I like the variety and am happy to wait for what's next.
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CM is not really comparable to the XDA devs' ROMs. CM is a complete ground-up build from AOSP. Nero, Macnut, etc are not; they are mods of existing unofficial Samsung ROMs. (Not to imply that Eugene/Sombionix et al's work is anything less than quality).
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CM is not really comparable to the XDA devs' ROMs. CM is a complete ground-up build from AOSP. Nero, Macnut, etc are not; they are mods of existing unofficial Samsung ROMs. (Not to imply that Eugene/Sombionix et al's work is anything less than quality).
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Yeah, that's the thing. The skill set involved in getting AOSP (and the rest of CM) building properly is a different skill set than modifying a Samsung released ROM.
The approaches are almost entirely opposite - whereas most ROMs here take what the vendor provides and replace the junky bits with stuff that works better, the AOSP-based ROMs such as CM start from a bare bones google source repository that never had any of that junk to begin with.
Both approaches have their merits. As should be obvious by now, the former results in much more rapid progress since you can start right away with a working build from Samsung. The latter approach can take substantially longer, since you don't have a working base to start from (especially with a device like the SGS, which has hardware very different from most CM-supported devices).
Eugene had an AOSP 2.1 rom pretty well built. Needed some kinks worked out, but there didn't seem to be a lot of interest because all everyone wanted was froyo. I'm sure we're probably see at least a couple of AOSP efforts if/when froyo officially drops.
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i'm fairly certain all CM ROMs have been halted and work has been pushed to CM7.0 Gingerbread based. With the Nexus S (NS) being the same thing with a few minor difference to all the other SGS phones and the NS source being openly available for people, we should see a true Gingerbread CM ROM for all the SGS phones once they figure out the necessary changes to make our variants work. This time it should be easier, thanks to all the Devs who came before and figured out Samsung's ass-backwards way of doing things.
Time and patience will reward with the greatest Android ROM the world has ever seen!
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Yep, codeworkx and the CMSGS team have stopped worked on 6.1 and (along with Supercurio and others) are working on an AOSP Gingerbread port for SGS.
It makes sense--no point in continuing to try to build a 2.2 without source when the 2.3 source is already out.
I just wanted to get a feel/consensus on peoples opinion of the third party rom scene for the EVO. I started my XDA days back with a tilt, and have been loyal to HTC since then.
The EVO is simply the best phone out there at the moment, IMO. But the roms seem to be very lacking in actual substance and it's a bit disappointing.
Almost every rom I've looked at here has been so customized and themed they are really just eyesores. It was normal on all my other devices to have some of the roms that were being produced be like this, but not all. I've been really impressed in the past with HTC roms. Dutty is one of my favorites.
The only 2 current exceptions I've found are CM and Fresh, and since some of us refuse to use sense, it really only leaves one choice.
CM is awesome, and the work that goes into it is really really amazing. There isn't a bunch of customization to the UI, it's left up to you what you want to do for how your phone looks. It's a rock solid foundation to build upon, and it would be awesome to see more roms in that form.
Thoughts? Am I missing something?
This is the wrong section, the General section would be the appropriate section for this.
this should be in general, but i agree it seems that lots of roms out there are just customizations of existing roms, a color change here and there. There really isnt anything major to differentiate between sense roms, except for 3 or 4 big ones, and then there is CM rom, and the roms based of CM seem like just themed version of CM, but who knows i mean im not a developer, maybe theres only so much one can do as far as development.
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The EVO is simply the best phone out there at the moment, IMO. But the roms seem to be very lacking in actual substance and it's a bit disappointing.
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Better get started developing.
What else do you want the ROM's out there to do?:
OC: Check
Undervolt: Check
AOSP Builds: Check
Open Source 4G: Check
De-odex: Check
Wide Variety of Themes: Check
Open Source FM Radio: Check
Wireless Tether: Check
Wired Tether: Check
Gingerbread: Check
AND THE LIST GOES ON...
What I'm trying to say is, unless your speaking specifically about HDMI, there's really not a lot left to be desired that can't be had from these phones until Honeycomb hits.
I mean, CM even supports SIP accounts natively...among the millions of other small details that are so amazing.
Even DLNA can be had through a simple app...what's left for you to want so badly that your phone cannot do already?
My point is, is that most devs are not going start over from scratch just for the heck of it, when something so close to optimum potential has already been reached.
Sent from my 4G-Toting, Lightning Smoking, Gingerfied, Cyanogenmodded EVO: Please stand back!
Itotally disagree. I mean, some, yeah, you're right, but look at the mods done to the more popular roms. Not just theming but tweaks, custome apps, etc.
What more do you want form a ROM?
And while, true, some people are married to CM, some are more into Senseui, some Miui.
Everyone has different tastes, and from what I se eon here, there's something for just about everyone.
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As per your questions, devs make roms based on their personal taste and, in many cases, general feedback from the users. There are many plain, stock rooted roms out there, and many tutorials in case you want to make your own as well. Also, you can easily theme any rom to your liking. I hope this answers your concern.
i think the ROM's on the evo are pretty strong. My criteria is, do the majority if not all ROM's improve upon stock? Yes. Do the majority if not all the dev's support their ROM's and upgrade in a timely manner? Yes Do the majority if not all the dev's have themes/mods available for their ROMS? Yes. Are there more than one style of ROM's to choose? YES 1. Sense 2. AOSP - MIUI 3. AOSP - CM 4. AOSP - Liquid metal
easedrop said:
I just wanted to get a feel/consensus on peoples opinion of the third party rom scene for the EVO. I started my XDA days back with a tilt, and have been loyal to HTC since then.
The EVO is simply the best phone out there at the moment, IMO. But the roms seem to be very lacking in actual substance and it's a bit disappointing.
Almost every rom I've looked at here has been so customized and themed they are really just eyesores. It was normal on all my other devices to have some of the roms that were being produced be like this, but not all. I've been really impressed in the past with HTC roms. Dutty is one of my favorites.
The only 2 current exceptions I've found are CM and Fresh, and since some of us refuse to use sense, it really only leaves one choice.
CM is awesome, and the work that goes into it is really really amazing. There isn't a bunch of customization to the UI, it's left up to you what you want to do for how your phone looks. It's a rock solid foundation to build upon, and it would be awesome to see more roms in that form.
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There are way more. Click my signature and you'll see
my EVO is way cooler than yours
Except your link is broken...
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Yes. MIUI.
the OP ... is expectiong way too much....
you do relize for most.. this is a good little hobby..
so is done around free time...
you want more... you do it! I dont have the skills to even try.
I do appreciate the ones that can... and do.
there are a lot of phones out in the market. and not all phones even have a dev community.. and if they do, it aint that big.
so there are different levels of dev support from phone to phone.
EVO, is way up there in the level of quality devs and community support.
Fixed my sig, forgot i changed the link. But there are a Sh*t ton of choices, my count is at 144 thus far
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Yes. MIUI.
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+1... this.
I've had 4 Android phones:
Evo
G2
MyTouch 3g Slide
Moto Cliq
This forum has more roms, kernels, mods, themes, etc than all 3 of my prior phones combined. Every time I hit the dev section I'm a kid in the candy store. There's fully functioning roms that work with everything and a few that I'm excited to see get better, like MIUI getting 4g.
There's very few phones out there with this much dev support, my friend has an LG vortex. Go find the LG vortex section of the forums. They don't exist.
My point, you have to do some digging but there's something here for everyone. If there isn't, make it! We could always use another dev to try to topple the big dogs.
hi everyone,
As you see the topic its about AOKP team which they have a new version of ICS porting method. First they started moding the devices like Nexus-S and Galaxy nexus. After succeding they came up with other new devices and ported ICS base rom to other devices such as HTC, Xoom,Galaxy Tab.Today i talked to Roman the Dev guy from this team about our beloved TF.Unfortunately he said they wont port this rom to TF. I just started this thread to ask this team for porting this rom. I think if they see our requests they might put their efforts to make it work on our devices. Im currently using build 23 of this rom on my Nexus-s.it comes with lots og built in features.
here is the link for the website.Head over it might be interesting for you.
http://aokp.co
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You said yourself they already said no. Respect their decision and leave them alone; if you don't like the decision you can port it yourself.
From their point of view, I can see why they said no. We will--eventually, one day--get an update from Asus themselves, which will satisfy 99% of users. The remaining 1% will get mods based on the Asus stock roms, just like they do now. There's also already a partially completed port underway by somebody else.
Why would they waste their resources on the TF101 when there are plenty of other devices that have no ICS port, and no chance of getting one from their manufacturer, which they could work on?
Actually, the correct guy to ask for a port is this guy @ProTekkFZS . He recently went on a spree porting aokp to many devices. Roman only port to devices that he is currently using which are gal nexus, nexus s and gal tab.
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if they dont want to port it got to respect that decision but if they would i would be sooooo happy a really great rom would use it
roman recieved a htc sensation from rootzwiki and he hasnt even ported it there yet so i wouldnt hold my breath dude... although it would be epic...
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there is a plan for cm this is nothing compared to that and then there will be miui
pashinator said:
there is a plan for cm this is nothing compared to that and then there will be miui
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1, MIUI won't come to tablets until Xiaomi makes a tablet UI version
2, CM is nowhere yet for the TF
3, Currently AOKP provides more control and access to things than CM. It was stated Cyanogen by himself that CM9 will NOT contain the old CMParts style settings, but rather have them in their respective submenus. AOKP goes on the CM7 way, having a separate app what can switch controls on-off. I'm already using it on my phone (ZTE Blade), and it's currently more stable than CM or even an AOSP build.
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1, MIUI won't come to tablets until Xiaomi makes a tablet UI version
2, CM is nowhere yet for the TF
3, Currently AOKP provides more control and access to things than CM. It was stated Cyanogen by himself that CM9 will NOT contain the old CMParts style settings, but rather have them in their respective submenus. AOKP goes on the CM7 way, having a separate app what can switch controls on-off. I'm already using it on my phone (ZTE Blade), and it's currently more stable than CM or even an AOSP build.
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1, Miui for tablets could become a reality without Xiaomi since they decided recently to change their code in Open source...so maybe one day
2, not yet, sure, even if CM has already talked about TF cm9 to come
3, here i think it really depends on the phone : with my Nexus S, aokp is pretty stable and smooth, but not as some other aosp (Pete Alfonso's) or CM (fitsnugly's kangs) for example.
Let's first get next Paul's builds, Asus's release then, and CM9 eventually.....at this point we all should be Fulfilled.
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1, Miui for tablets could become a reality without Xiaomi since they decided recently to change their code in Open source...so maybe one day
2, not yet, sure, even if CM has already talked about TF cm9 to come
3, here i think it really depends on the phone : with my Nexus S, aokp is pretty stable and smooth, but not as some other aosp (Pete Alfonso's) or CM (fitsnugly's kangs) for example.
Let's first get next Paul's builds, Asus's release then, and CM9 eventually.....at this point we all should be Fulfilled.
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1. First of all, they haven't gone totally open source yet. And to include a tablet overlay, that would be a huge work. Not just graphics, but compatibility, screen issues, alignments, and such.
2. There will be a CM9 build, but only after CM9 is stable enough, and Asus released theirs so Bumble-Bee, RaYmAn, Roach, and the others can make a working one. So no CM9 for now
3. Yes it depends on that too, but show me any point of CM9 having more feature than AOKP. AOKP derives directly from CM9 sources, with the additional apps and features, plus fixes. So I consider it more mature.
Paul already published his sources for the TF, so we could easily grab his tree, change some stuff for AOKP, and make a build. I don't have quite the PC for such building processes, it would take days, and my electricity bill is already over the limit - so I can't do it definitely. But if there's someone else willing, everything can be made
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1. First of all, they haven't gone totally open source yet. And to include a tablet overlay, that would be a huge work. Not just graphics, but compatibility, screen issues, alignments, and such.
2. There will be a CM9 build, but only after CM9 is stable enough, and Asus released theirs so Bumble-Bee, RaYmAn, Roach, and the others can make a working one. So no CM9 for now
3. Yes it depends on that too, but show me any point of CM9 having more feature than AOKP. AOKP derives directly from CM9 sources, with the additional apps and features, plus fixes. So I consider it more mature.
Paul already published his sources for the TF, so we could easily grab his tree, change some stuff for AOKP, and make a build. I don't have quite the PC for such building processes, it would take days, and my electricity bill is already over the limit - so I can't do it definitely. But if there's someone else willing, everything can be made
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1 & 2, i agree, that's sure.
3, aokp has indeed for now more features than cm9 and kept cm7 idea with nominated menu, which is more than rich of full customization possibilities. My point was in fact on the stability, efficiency and smoothness : there are, for nexus s at least, aosp roms and some cm9 builds which are better than aokp. So not in terms of "quantity" but of a certain idea of quality. Certain idea, because it is of course a question of point of view. That said, i love Roman's work.
I wish i could build on Paul's and Roman's sources for our beloved TF, but even if my electricity bill could eventuelly bear it (for a time), i have neither the pc, nor the knowledge to do so, which is worse .....here's just a very greatful and curious user....
Hi,
Many custom ROMs, like CyanogenMod, AOKP, Slim etc. are ROMs made for a wide range of devices, and are therefore not suited perfectly for the Nexus 4. These ROMs are great, of course, but after flashing lots of them I understood I want a ROM that is made specifically for the Nexus 4, as I think they would function better.
For example, I understood there is a thing called Krait optimization and I don't believe any of the ROMs I listed above have it.
I would appreciate if anyone could recommend such a ROM,that is also very customizable (well it is a Nexus...). I'm talking in a CM + AOKP level of customization
From my searching I have found two ROMs, would also appreciate if you could give me opinions about them/compare them:
PACman ROM - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146879
PUB - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146885
Thanks!
you are looking for any aosp(android open source project) based rom, based on pure android. the nexus 4, as well as all other nexus, are aosp devices. rasbean jelly is one of the best, if not the best http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2028025
aokp is good man...there is no difference
I guess you should understand that all of the Roms you have mentioned are actually built from the Nexus Software. PAC and PUB are basically offshoots of AOSP /AOKP /Cyanogen / Paranoid. The nexus is the test bed, if you will. These ROMS are specifically for our phone, built from our phones ROM, with additions in order to better them. That is as straightforward of an answer as I can get you. You should give ALL of the roms a try and see what fits your taste best, hope this helps.
TheeWolf said:
Hi,
Many custom ROMs, like CyanogenMod, AOKP, Slim etc. are ROMs made for a wide range of devices, and are therefore not suited perfectly for the Nexus 4. These ROMs are great, of course, but after flashing lots of them I understood I want a ROM that is made specifically for the Nexus 4, as I think they would function better.
For example, I understood there is a thing called Krait optimization and I don't believe any of the ROMs I listed above have it.
I would appreciate if anyone could recommend such a ROM,that is also very customizable (well it is a Nexus...). I'm talking in a CM + AOKP level of customization
From my searching I have found two ROMs, would also appreciate if you could give me opinions about them/compare them:
PACman ROM - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146879
PUB - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146885
Thanks!
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Pac(Vertigo & Blue) has Linaro, Krait, and whatever the A15 patches are called(memspy?).
Thanks everyone.
simms22 said:
you are looking for any aosp(android open source project) based rom, based on pure android. the nexus 4, as well as all other nexus, are aosp devices. rasbean jelly is one of the best, if not the best http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2028025
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I have to say that in my opinion, this ROM looks somewhat unprofessional. Its not that I tried it, but I can't understand the basic things from the OP as I should, for example the ROM's features, bugs, screenshots...
[email protected] said:
I guess you should understand that all of the Roms you have mentioned are actually built from the Nexus Software. PAC and PUB are basically offshoots of AOSP /AOKP /Cyanogen / Paranoid. The nexus is the test bed, if you will. These ROMS are specifically for our phone, built from our phones ROM, with additions in order to better them. That is as straightforward of an answer as I can get you. You should give ALL of the roms a try and see what fits your taste best, hope this helps.
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Yes but I mean that all these ROMs are ports. Cyanogen, for example, exists for almost every device out there. Look at its changelog, you'll see every bit of change incorporated in the ROM's version for every device. What I mean is, they have not done anything (correct me if I'm wrong) to optimize their ROM for the Nexus 4. The ROM exists and functions the same for the S1, the Galaxy Nexus, the Nexus 4 and the HTC Sensation. Again, I may be wrong so correct me if this is the case.
Ace42 said:
Pac(Vertigo & Blue) has Linaro, Krait, and whatever the A15 patches are called(memspy?).
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Vertigo is the username of the Pac ROM developer as I can see. Is there a version of a developer Blue? I don't really understand.
And what is memspy?
the information is there, screenshots arent needed. but you should stay with cm then, if youre looking for an op and not a rom.
anyways, you do realize that all the nexus 4 roms are built from source? there no need to port roms to any nexus since all the sources are available for every nexus. so to say, all nexus roms are built specifically for the nexus 4, even cm. just because a rom exists on multiple devices, doesnt mean that its ported. most non nexus roms are ported to non nexus devices because they dont have sources available. this doesnt happen to nexus devices.
this is identical with a thread i remember seeing in the gnex forums a while back. anyways, they are all made for the nexus 4. they use drivers that are specific to our phone. if you flash it on another device, it wont work. AOSP is AOSP, that's the point of it. you won't get any extra device specific features if a rom is only built for the nexus 4 vs cyanogenmod which is out for a bunch of phones. the only way that happens is if your phone has a hardware feature another one doesn't ie: NFC.
TheeWolf said:
Hi,
Many custom ROMs, like CyanogenMod, AOKP, Slim etc. are ROMs made for a wide range of devices, and are therefore not suited perfectly for the Nexus 4. These ROMs are great, of course, but after flashing lots of them I understood I want a ROM that is made specifically for the Nexus 4, as I think they would function better.
For example, I understood there is a thing called Krait optimization and I don't believe any of the ROMs I listed above have it.
I would appreciate if anyone could recommend such a ROM,that is also very customizable (well it is a Nexus...). I'm talking in a CM + AOKP level of customization
From my searching I have found two ROMs, would also appreciate if you could give me opinions about them/compare them:
PACman ROM - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146879
PUB - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146885
Thanks!
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Hi. There are many things to argue here is this post but I will try to help to get you some information to get you on the right track. First off there are two versions if you will of Android, one being "AOSP" or the "Android Open Source Project" and "Google Android". Google Android is what shipped with your device, and has Google owned proprietary in it that is closed sourced, most of the development done in a Nexus forum will come from using AOSP Android. Its the same Android that ships with your device but it does not contain any of Google's proprietary and its completely open-source, however some of the coding needed for a specific devices hardware is not open-source, there's more I can go into on that but I'll stop in short by saying the Nexus4 is probably one of the best devices to be working on platform level coding since all of the binaries needed are properly licensed and most of the hardware coding is open-source. So now that's out of the way. Most of the roms here are forks of AOSP with some being forked from AOKP, CyanogenMod and PA, in order for a developer to build a Nexus4 rom they have to use the provided hardware binaries in combination to the software coding to produce said roms, so ALL of the roms here are built directly for this device. Where confusion come in at is that some of the developers do not have a Nexus4 and build based of the availability of someone being a guinea pig. Also you will have to know whats in you device, such words as "krait optimizations" should not be a hook to get you to try a rom nor should a screen shot since most of the roms look stock besides the few that are themed, ok if they're themed they probably should have a pic, but seriously know your hardware so that you are not just letting a buzzword give you a placebo effect, and remember a roms OP most times doesn't do any justice for the experience you will have from that rom so its best to just try what ever sounds interesting blindly...
TheeWolf said:
Yes but I mean that all these ROMs are ports. Cyanogen, for example, exists for almost every device out there. Look at its changelog, you'll see every bit of change incorporated in the ROM's version for every device. What I mean is, they have not done anything (correct me if I'm wrong) to optimize their ROM for the Nexus 4. The ROM exists and functions the same for the S1, the Galaxy Nexus, the Nexus 4 and the HTC Sensation. Again, I may be wrong so correct me if this is the case.
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you can't really optimize a rom for a specific device.
they are nearly the same for all devices, and there is no point in optimizing it for specific hardware.
what you can optimize is the kernel, the part that contains the device specific drivers and basically controls the hardware. these are already built and optimized for the nexus 4.
but that doesn't mean that fixes and improvements for other devices have negative effects on the nexus 4.
also, device specific changes in changelogs are mostly kernel related.
TheeWolf said:
Thanks everyone.
I have to say that in my opinion, this ROM looks somewhat unprofessional. Its not that I tried it, but I can't understand the basic things from the OP as I should, for example the ROM's features, bugs, screenshots...
Yes but I mean that all these ROMs are ports. Cyanogen, for example, exists for almost every device out there. Look at its changelog, you'll see every bit of change incorporated in the ROM's version for every device. What I mean is, they have not done anything (correct me if I'm wrong) to optimize their ROM for the Nexus 4. The ROM exists and functions the same for the S1, the Galaxy Nexus, the Nexus 4 and the HTC Sensation. Again, I may be wrong so correct me if this is the case.
Vertigo is the username of the Pac ROM developer as I can see. Is there a version of a developer Blue? I don't really understand.
And what is memspy?
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Dude, first try and test a rom before you form and vent your opinion based on nothing.
Thank you everyone for the explanations.
gee2012 said:
Dude, first try and test a rom before you form and vent your opinion based on nothing.
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As I have said, I have already flashed many ROMs, I am not basing my opinion on nothing. I have not opened this thread is not to find out "what is the best ROM" - more than a year of messing with Android and being here in XDA got me understanding there is no such thing, no best ROM. The purpose of this thread is get me some answers, to see if what I am saying is even true.
If Cyanogenmod is the same for every device then riddle me this:
Why is there a different .zip for each device?
You are not going to find a better all around ROM than CM dude. In CM each device has its own tree with many device specific commits and custom changes. You sound very ill-informed asking the questions you are asking; I am surprised you haven't received a lot more flame for it.