I've been testing supercharger for jellybean for about a day now and I have noticed a boost in performance so I'd thought I'd pass it on.
I'm on cm10 jellybro 8/17 with air kernel #201 non bigmem and noticed the difference immediately after the reboot. Apps seem to open quicker and the phone doesn't lock up as much when multitasking. Also, even though it says I'm only 50% supercharged and I have a weak launcher I still haven't gotten a launcher redraw since running the script but IMA test that more for sure.
I installed all the tweaks it asks if you want before you get the part where you pick the oom groupings :including the 3g speed hack and I chose the moderate 512 HP I think its option 6.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276/
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Good to know...I tried a while ago and restored my backup since it said I was only 50%. I might have to give it another shot
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Good to know...I tried a while ago and restored my backup since it said I was only 50%. I might have to give it another shot
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Do some research... As supercharger doesn't really boost your Nexus. It's more for low end devices with little rom. If you haven't had bigmem then maybe you'd feel it yes, I'm running new rasbeanjelly with bedalus and it runs soo smooth with at least 160 mb free ram
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Do some research... As supercharger doesn't really boost your Nexus. It's more for low end devices with little rom. If you haven't had bigmem then maybe you'd feel it yes, I'm running new rasbeanjelly with bedalus and it runs soo smooth with at least 160 mb free ram
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Hate to break it to you but by modern standard the NS is low end. ICS and JB were built mainly for a device with a GB or more of RAM so every last byte counts.
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Do some research... As supercharger doesn't really boost your Nexus. It's more for low end devices with little rom. If you haven't had bigmem then maybe you'd feel it yes, I'm running new rasbeanjelly with bedalus and it runs soo smooth with at least 160 mb free ram
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How low end? I heard the same thing when people were testing it on the epic touch which is understandable but for a phone with 512mb running a big os? Yes every little bit helps
Btw I did do my research thanks
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Its not going away any time soon.
Nexus 7 and SGSIII users complain of lag after awhile and supercharging fixes it... as usual.
I, too, can confirm that the Supercharger works good on JB. Running the latest Codename with Air Kernel, supercharger does make a difference I've found but only when multitasking. Disappointing though to still see the occasional launcher redraw, but it's not that big a deal.
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Its not going away any time soon.
Nexus 7 and SGSIII users complain of lag after awhile and supercharging fixes it... as usual.
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You've just reminded me to root my N7, lol. Great work with supercharger btw
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You can easily afford to bulletproof the launcher if you have a redraw here or there
genaro12543 said:
I've been testing supercharger for jellybean for about a day now and I have noticed a boost in performance so I'd thought I'd pass it on.
I'm on cm10 jellybro 8/17 with air kernel #201 non bigmem and noticed the difference immediately after the reboot. Apps seem to open quicker and the phone doesn't lock up as much when multitasking. Also, even though it says I'm only 50% supercharged and I have a weak launcher I still haven't gotten a launcher redraw since running the script but IMA test that more for sure.
I installed all the tweaks it asks if you want before you get the part where you pick the oom groupings :including the 3g speed hack and I chose the moderate 512 HP I think its option 6.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276/
Hope this helps: )
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You need to use the Jellyscreampatcher to patch files to patch files to get 100%, use this thread to guide you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869663
let me know if this helps you
i will try this supercharger too :good:.
Anyone has tangible numbers to represent the improvement? Anything that could be proven as not placebo?
The supercharger makes me think of kids ricing their Civics or a bad commercial with erroneous/random capitalization, funny made up words and flashy colors.
SuperCharger! BulletProof! Die-Hard! Hard To Kill! SuperClean! Cust-OOM! 3G TurboCharger! Kick Ass Kernel Tweaks! MegaRAM!
Where's Vince from Shamwow when you need him eh?
Not saying it doesn't work, but this is the kind of talk clearly made to pickup sheeple rather than to expose facts. How information is presented doesn't really change the end result but changes the target population. Don't all get offended now.
Of those that actually used it, if I remember the math (too lazy to do it now):
50% say it's the best mod ever... It jumbs to...
65% when you add those that say Big Performance Boost... It jumps to...
80% when you add those that say Noticeable Performance Boost.
Are those numbers ok, Frenchy?
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Of those that actually used it, if I remember the math (too lazy to do it now):
50% say it's the best mod ever... It jumbs to...
65% when you add those that say Big Performance Boost... It jumps to...
80% when you add those that say Noticeable Performance Boost.
Are those numbers ok, Frenchy?
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Boost™ with zOOM zOOM features?
That's a nice poll, but it's flawed in the sense people that will answer it are very likely users of the mod. Kinda like asking an Android user if he thinks Android is better than iOS. Wouldn't be surprised to see the majority answer YES there, and NO if asked on Apple boards.
Other than a poll, any other data to look at? Is the performance measurable in any kind of way?
And you fail to take into account that the majority of respondents have used other tweaks and mods.
This XDA...duh...
And yet, BEST MOD EVER was the most clicked response.
I see you just like to blow hot air and listen to yourself talk before actually knowing anything first hand.
Any more ignorant musings will only qualify as trolling and make you look stupider (I know it's not word but fits perfectly)
Can use supercharge v6 on NS4G? I
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And you fail to take into account that the majority of respondents have used other tweaks and mods.
This XDA...duh...
And yet, BEST MOD EVER was the most clicked response.
I see you just like to blow hot air and listen to yourself talk before actually knowing anything first hand.
Any more ignorant musings will only qualify as trolling and make you look stupider (I know it's not word but fits perfectly)
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Shall I gather that you fell down to insults because you're unable to bring anything else than a zany poll? :good:
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Somehow performance should be measured. However as this tweak is said to improve system smoothness and available ram I think it is difficult to measure it.
My own experience is that I don't feel the difference as my phone has enough ram available and never experience launcher redraw anyway.
But as the poll concludes, people say they feel the difference. Don't think all of these votes are fanboy votes so there must be improvements.
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Shall I gather that you fell down to insults because you're unable to bring anything else than a zany poll? :good:
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I stated a fact.
You've been trolling.
Nothing you have posted in this thread has benefited any single molecule in the entire universe.
I brought something.
You've brought NOTHING but BS.
You failed statistics in high school didn't you? We could go on and on, and I could troll all day, but so far only kwibis has tried to justify the use of supercharger through a coherent approach.
You're the biggest troll here, touting all sorts of improvements without being able to calmly back it up with anything else other than a ridiculously flawed poll. You step low enough to get insulting and try to nit pick on someone to discredit them rather than to work on a way to prove your claims. And yes, there's actually a way to test for UI smoothness just as there's a way to test for UI animations. You should try to improve your scientific approach a bit instead of getting your panties in a bunch and getting huffy at the first non believer. I swear it'll help you in life as a whole.
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On day 3 with the new phone. Rooted, overclocked and bloatware removed. I love this goddamn phone but I just cannot wait to put Froyo on it. Is that possible at this point or do I have to wait till a fascinate specific Rom is made? (my first droid)
How exactly did you get it overclocked? I wasn't aware of any available kernels to install to allow for it.
wait... Overclocked lol where is the kernel for it!!!????
I think that was a bit of a typo. Probably meant lag-fixed.
there prob wont be custom kernel for it for a few days.... prob jacs like always.... 1.2ghz OC...
Is there a noticeable increase in speed with the overclock and bloat removed?
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oops
see how new I am? I didn't even know that I couldn't over clock my droid just by unrooting and installing Overclock! I'm a little confused by android so far. I'm coming from blackberry and never looking back.. berry. ( a little cell phone humor)
but serioiusly. i'm wondering about Roms, do I have to get a rom specifically for this phone or can i use any rom?
To answer your question this phone was already pretty dam fast and seeing as how I'm not even really overclocked, no I don't notice a difference really.
I gotta say tho, I really like touch wiz. I had a droid 2 for 2 weeks before I turned it in and I prefer touchwiz to motoblur and launcher pro
there's no overclock yet LOL
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see how new I am? I didn't even know that I couldn't over clock my droid just by unrooting and installing Overclock! I'm a little confused by android so far. I'm coming from blackberry and never looking back.. berry. ( a little cell phone humor)
but serioiusly. i'm wondering about Roms, do I have to get a rom specifically for this phone or can i use any rom?
To answer your question this phone was already pretty dam fast and seeing as how I'm not even really overclocked, no I don't notice a difference really.
I gotta say tho, I really like touch wiz. I had a droid 2 for 2 weeks before I turned it in and I prefer touchwiz to motoblur and launcher pro
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Ill tell you now lol.
1. There are no overclock kernels as of yet
2. This is not a "Droid"
3. LagFix is not = to Overclocking
4. There are no ROMs for this phone yet so dont try to install one from a different device.
Just a quick question... What does "I didn't even know that I couldn't over clock my droid just by unrooting and installing Overclock!" mean? lol. Im sorry haha. It just doesnt make any sense and its bugging me lawl.
@hijackerjack
thanks a lot for the clarifications!
Lol i'm still calling my phone a droid regardless of anything.
And I thought the program "Overclock!" allowed you to overclock your droid as long as it was rooted. I didn't know there was a seperate process involved in overclocking.
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Lol i'm still calling my phone a droid regardless of anything.
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Are you kidding? After applying the lag fix to this phone, it totally pwns the Droids. It's in a whole other class. I can't wait to blow my buddy at work away tomorrow (Droid owner) with my 2268 score in Quadrant. Also super AMOLED FTW!
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I have the Samsung Fascinate.....and there is absolutely ALMOST no difference in speed after rooting. As far as the lag fix well come on people QUADRANT means nothing at this point. Outside of that score I didnt notice one bit of difference besdies the fact that the App Market opened a bit faster. Not worth is cause my wifi then started to have problems.
I had the droid x before this and if i can get a stock Froyo on this with the touchwiz widgets that be my dream. Touchwiz launcher is slow as is. I just like a few widgets from it.
The phone stock vs droid x is no comparison........DROID X DESTROYS IT!!!!!! Again i had both THE DROID X DETROYS IT IN SPEED.
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I have the Samsung Fascinate.....and there is absolutely ALMOST no difference in speed after rooting. As far as the lag fix well come on people QUADRANT means nothing at this point. Outside of that score I didnt notice one bit of difference besdies the fact that the App Market opened a bit faster. Not worth is cause my wifi then started to have problems.
I had the droid x before this and if i can get a stock Froyo on this with the touchwiz widgets that be my dream. Touchwiz launcher is slow as is. I just like a few widgets from it.
The phone stock vs droid x is no comparison........DROID X DESTROYS IT!!!!!! Again i had both THE DROID X DETROYS IT IN SPEED.
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You are crazy sir. The droid X launcher and motoblur stuff slowed it down. This phone is way better than the droid X. Ive had the droid X for two weeks incredible for another two and now the fascinate. Fascinate is definately the better of the devices GPU wise theres no comparison either
i agree, i got the incredible on launch day and out of the box with factory launcher it is actually faster than both. with launcherpro the sammy is up to speed. same with the x. i think that they are all about equal as far as speed(hence 1ghz lol) but when it comes to gaming the fascinate KILLS the DInc and still beats the X pretty swiftly. i actually switched to the fascinate just for the screen and the gaming abilties. not to mention the unlocked bootloader. also we will be able to acheive a real overclock that the X will likely never be able to get bc you cannot make changes to the kernel. also hopefully samsung doesnt screw up froyo to bad because anyone who has played with a D2 will tell you that froyo on it sucks ass. i went to vzw on the D2 launch day and was so dissapointed. i have countless friends who had D1 and it messed up or they had to have it replaced and got a D2 and are looking everywhere to switch to X or Incredible or even back to D1.
No, the lag fix does not make the phone ridiculously faster, but several things have sped up quite a bit. For instance, my web browser is ultra-fast when browsing over WiFi. I never realized how much of a bottleneck the internal memory I/O was. Also, apps in general are snappier, as the app data is all on the virtual partition. Some places you will notice the difference a lot, others not at all. Basically what it comes down to is that anything that is I/O intensive will be much faster. Oh, and the Quadrant scores are not meaningless. If you look at the breakdown from a full-version Quadrant score, you will see that the S phones with lag fix absolutely obliterate any other phone for I/O performance, while other benchmark test results remain pretty much the same (though 3D performance still beats any other phone).
so this lag fix for the i/o is only doable via rooting?
Holy F***ing F**k. You have got to be F***ing kidding me.
I am now a member of this community. I would prefer that my people knew what the hell they were talking about. The post lag fix Quad scores are irrelevant. It's a crazy high read/write speed, that is actually faster than any program or system process needs or can use, ie: it means squat. Until Froyo.
With 2.2, this speed will help boost processing, as well as 2D graphic capabilities quite a bit.
See here, before you brag:
Nexus Quadrant on Froyo:
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Note the Blue and Red. These are CPU processing, and memory speeds. The green is helpful about until it passes the red. After that, it's unused I/O speed which means nothing and is pointless.
Here's my lax fixed Fascinate:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop being tards about the lag fix Quadrant scores.
I really can't stand much more of it.
Please?
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No, the lag fix does not make the phone ridiculously faster, but several things have sped up quite a bit. For instance, my web browser is ultra-fast when browsing over WiFi. I never realized how much of a bottleneck the internal memory I/O was. Also, apps in general are snappier, as the app data is all on the virtual partition. Some places you will notice the difference a lot, others not at all. Basically what it comes down to is that anything that is I/O intensive will be much faster. Oh, and the Quadrant scores are not meaningless. If you look at the breakdown from a full-version Quadrant score, you will see that the S phones with lag fix absolutely obliterate any other phone for I/O performance, while other benchmark test results remain pretty much the same (though 3D performance still beats any other phone).
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I'm going to beat this horse until the remains are unrecognizable.
No, they are not meaningless. However, the scores indicate a capability that FAR exceeds use. Just because it is capable of extremely high data R/W does not mean it's used.
Point is, in the two benchmark results above, the Nexus will F***ing smoke the Fascinate in every regard that is measurable by the user, despite a lower score. Well, except GPU, lol.
I'm about to chew my own hands off at the wrists waiting to see what Froyo will do with this processor. I fully expect this to be the fastest phone out loaded with 2.2, but for now I'm just trying not to scream every time someone says OMFGIGOTA2200QUADRANTSCOREKISSMYASSWTFHAHAHAHAAAA.
I need medication I think. I can't take it anymore.
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I'm about to chew my own hands off at the wrists waiting to see what Froyo will do with this processor. I fully expect this to be the fastest phone out loaded with 2.2, but for now I'm just trying not to scream every time someone says OMFGIGOTA2200QUADRANTSCOREKISSMYASSWTFHAHAHAHAAAA.
I need medication I think. I can't take it anymore.
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captivate user here just browsing ya'll guys side. but anyways
OMFG I GOT A 2540 QUADRANT SCORE KISS MY ASS WTF HAHAHAHAAAA.
extra 300 points im assuming is from our OC'd kernal, why havnt you guys got one out yet since the source has been released ???
Yep, Vibrant user here...same dealio.
WTF Fascinate dudes, get it goin on....or something.
Hey guys,
So on my Gen 1 Evo, I was using CM6.1.0 RC1 with CMsnap 7.6 BFS and Turbo turned on...I was able to achieve an unthinkable number that absolutely stunned me. Sadly, I sold this Evo as I wanted to buy the Epic 4G and start over. Just before I sold it on ebay, I flashed CM6.1.0 Stable with CMsnap 7.6 again with Turbo on and got an even higher score! Unfortunately, because I didn't want to add any more applications to the phone as I was shipping it out, I didn't take another screenshot of my highest score, BUT I did get a screenshot of my first benchmark and here it is:
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MY HIGHER SCORE WAS 2680! Talk about ridiculous!
Has anyone been able to achieve higher?
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Hey guys,
So on my Gen 1 Evo, I was using CM6.1.0 RC1 with CMsnap 7.6 BFS and Turbo turned on...I was able to achieve an unthinkable number that absolutely stunned me. Sadly, I sold this Evo as I wanted to buy the white one and start over. Just before I sold it on ebay, I flashed CM6.1.0 Stable with CMsnap 7.6 again with Turbo on and got an even higher score! Unfortunately, because I didn't want to add any more applications to the phone as I was shipping it out, I didn't take another screenshot of my highest score, BUT I did get a screenshot of my first benchmark and here it is:
MY HIGHER SCORE WAS 2680! Talk about ridiculous!
Has anyone been able to achieve higher?
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I am not sure if anyone has but they are easy to fake so I am sure someone will come in here saying theirs is higher and then another then another. You see where im going with this.
Mine was no where near that and I dont care to check it often. As long as my phone functions properly its all good.
I saw as high as 2800 on snap turbo. Not really a big deal, quadrant is easily gameable. Cyanogen posted a shot of like 3800 a while ago.
Posted by my rooted EVO 4G
I'm not saying this is real but why would anyone fake this? To what end? Admittedly, my Evo has never achieved a quad score this high running CM6/Snap and I... don't see the point of getting your Evo to run this fast... Um... Congrats on your high score?
Dude, Honest to God...the only reason I even posted this was because I've always wanted to know what the highest Quadrant was on the Evo. I was practically giddy when I saw this score and I swear it's NOT a fake. Regardless, I didn't know if this was setting a benchmark or if someone else with a different setup was getting higher numbers. Like I said, I got a new Epic 4G now and want to see if there's another setup out there that would intrigue me.
I'm truly in love with Android and LOVE hacking...have been doing it since my Nexus One (Which I desperately miss btw) and just so enthusiastic about all we are able to do with these phones. I'm not even trying to compete with anyone...just find this **** so cool!
I've never received a score above 1550.
That being said, my friend bought a G2 and scores in the upper 2000s and yet my Evo performs all tasks just as well as his G2.
My highest was 2800 on CM6 with snap.
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Wow, so does a phone with that rom and kernel really run that much quicker doing day to day stuff?
I got over 9,000.
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Wow, so does a phone with that rom and kernel really run that much quicker doing day to day stuff?
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YES, you will feel and love the snappy feel and instant page loads!
This is this morning with CM6.1 and only 80mb free in phone storage, I have a lot of apps. If I strip it down w/o Google apps or any add ons, and put it in airplane mode, I've gotten 2890 before.
dude for real anyone that thinks that is fake they have never tried cm w/turbo. I remember getting scores like that.
If your rom uses Stagefright, this isn't equivalent test...
Guys,
From another thread:
"I wouldn't go crazy, guys. This tweak makes stagefright the default media player. Stagefright is better at decoding h.264 videos. Quadrant uses h.264 decode as part of its benchmark. Thus, the higher score...
So, this tweak increases the performance of a task that Quadrant just so happens to use. The same kind of thing occurs with Snapdragons and Linpack. This _doesn't_ mean that this tweak improves overall CPU performance by 30%."
humungus
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What I've noticed is that SnapTurbo, although incredibly fast "Quadrant-Wise", really has no noticeable performance impact while operating everyday features such as opening applications, browsing the net, or altering settings. It seems only as fast as any other AOSP kernal. BUT...It's awesome getting those quadrant scores for sure!
Actually, I was reading an article last night about a couple of Epic 4G developers that were practically at war over whether or not Quadrant Scores are an accurate telling point for performance. The developer that argued that quadrant scores don't matter was so determined to prove his point that he literally created a Rom built for nothing more than to max out Quadrant Standard even though it was only as fast as the average Epic 4g Rom. That evidence, along with my own comparisons while using SnapTurbo with CM6.1 vs other kernals on CM6.1 got me pretty convinced that quadrant scores are just something to show off but probably won't amount to anything you can actually feel being that much faster on the phone.
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dude for real anyone that thinks that is fake they have never tried cm w/turbo. I remember getting scores like that.
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I never said this was fake I was just stating the fact that Quadrant is easily manipulated to show higher scores.
I run CM6/Snap kernel and it cooks through my battery so quickly that I dissable it. This is like thinking that you need a 400hp vette to drive on a freeway--you don't. You only need about 45hp, if that. That being said, I Set CPU my Evo at 350MHz when it's running a battery and I swear it runs fine and promote to 900MHz when it's plugged in. So why have a superphone if you're going to undervolt it? Why do people own, 4WD raised trucks in the burbs? Cuz ya' can...
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OT rant:
Seriously, why are you running snap 7.6 with 6.1, and with Turbo enabled, no less? Have you just ignored the hundreds of posts of problems people are having with 6.1 and Turbo? And the warning from the CM team that Turbo is not compatible with 6.1? I'm not trying to be a nazi about this, because you're welcome to use whatever kernel you want, but I'm just constantly amazed at the amount of posts from people still trying to use the 7.6 Turbo kernel after they've been told countless times not to use it. Is the extra perceived performance worth all the annoying bugs?
yeah, i got around 2600~'s as well with cm6 and snap with turbo on and oc'd to 1200 etc.
ran p.good. not sure why i stopped =P haha
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Seriously, why are you running snap 7.6 with 6.1, and with Turbo enabled, no less? Have you just ignored the hundreds of posts of problems people are having with 6.1 and Turbo? And the warning from the CM team that Turbo is not compatible with 6.1? I'm not trying to be a nazi about this, because you're welcome to use whatever kernel you want, but I'm just constantly amazed at the amount of posts from people still trying to use the 7.6 Turbo kernel after they've been told countless times not to use it. Is the extra perceived performance worth all the annoying bugs?
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This would be the first that I have heard of there being a problem with CM6.1 and Snap Turbo. I don't read every single post about CM, though I do scan through the development thread from time to time, haven't read about it there, so it must not be too widespread of a problem. I do remember reading about some problems people were having with bluetooth with Snap and the CM RC's, but I don't use BT, so I never really looked into it.
Myself, I run Snap Turbo cause it actually runs better foe me than what I've tested last week. I setup CM6.1 with the stock kernel and ran it for a bit, ran smooth, but I was getting some lag here and there. Tried out Zendroid .9 Beta, and that was pretty nice, but also similar in lag experiences. So I jumped back into Snap 7.6 BFS cause I knew haw it ran before, and figured I'd give it a go.
CM6.1 with Snap Turbo runs absolutely fantastic on my phone. I get no lag anywhere, and the speed with which pages load is ridiculous! I have SetCPU OC'd to 1190 Interactive, with a screen off profile of 128 min and 245 max Interactive. I get pretty nice battery life with that, and it's blazing fast when i need it. Right now, my battery is at 36% and it has been of the charger for 10.5 hours with moderate to heavy use through the day, I would call that plenty good considering. I wasn't getting any better with the built in kernel or Zendroid. Can't wait till Snap v9 comes out, hopefully before Xmas.
Even a cursory read through the Snap thread\CM6.1 thread\CM6.1 nightly thread would show that they are highly incompatible. You in no way need to read "every post", not even close. I would just think its recommendable to read up on whether a kernel is compatible with a ROM before blindly flashing it.
Its not all about "speed."
I want to know which is THE fastest rom available for the MT4G. I dont care about features or sense or whatever, all thats important to me is performance. Thederekjay can score 4200 with o/c, i can too. So please people, tell me what rom will help me achieve that uber score!
There are things even less meaningful than Quadrant scores, but there are only few of them.
Judging the speed of ROM by Quadrant score is about as meaningless as it gets.
You want speed? Overclock.
How much? As much as your phone allows, and as much as you're willing to go risking to burn your phone very soon.
What good will it do? Probably nothing.
tristan6100 said:
I want to know which is THE fastest rom available for the MT4G. I dont care about features or sense or whatever, all thats important to me is performance. Thederekjay can score 4200 with o/c, i can too. So please people, tell me what rom will help me achieve that uber score!
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Quadrant means little to nothing in the real world. It's completely and udderly bogus numbers to make you think you are getting what you want to get.
And here is a perfect example why. I under clocked my phone [768Mhrz] and still hit 2k+ on the Quadrant.
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How did i do that. Easily. the program is easily hackable VERY hackable.
Give Faux123's Rom a shot. I can't quote quadrant scores at you because I don't use that, but I can tell you that it's one of the most stripped down, fastest Roms I've flashed onto my phone. And his latest kernel will let you overclock to over 2gig.
AlanB412 said:
Give Faux123's Rom a shot. I can't quote quadrant scores at you because I don't use that, but I can tell you that it's one of the most stripped down, fastest Roms I've flashed onto my phone. And his latest kernel will let you overclock to over 2gig.
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I would have to agree with you on this. The fastest rom is going to be the most stripped down rom capable of overclocking the highest. I tried this once and got pretty high quadrant scores. Prettty much any AOSP based rom is going to give you high scores though.
MIUI is my daily driver. I used CM and FAUX's Rom's but MIUI runs the best IMHO.
Also ran Unity and several others. Still, MIUI is the best for ME.
alright well thanks guys, im probably gunna try faux aosp rom and ill compare with my current cm7 nightly, ill also compare between thederekjays kernel and fauxs. thanks again
After using almost every single ROM, I can confidently say that when it comes solely to speed, FAUX's ROM is blazing fast.
eqjunkie829 said:
I would have to agree with you on this. The fastest rom is going to be the most stripped down rom capable of overclocking the highest. I tried this once and got pretty high quadrant scores. Prettty much any AOSP based rom is going to give you high scores though.
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Let me remind everyone that high freqs pretty much 1.7GHz+ aren't very stable, now 2GHz has a very high power draw and can cause the phone to lockup completely...MIUI/CM7/FAUX would be the top picks as the quickest ROMS, I use MIUI. It's very fast, the cpu governor/cpu speeds you use will also contribute to how quick a ROM will be...Use lower speeds and get more life, but less speed...Or more speed, and receive a shorter life span.
+1 for fauxs aosp rom and thederekjays miu rom w/ demon speed mod. I'd also recommend thederekjays port of preghostchili rom from g2 forums, it is way overthemed but stupid fast and full of built in tweaks and options enabled thru terminal. I myself use it as my daily and have hit 4129 on quadrant using tdj's kernel.
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+1 for fauxs aosp rom and thederekjays miu rom w/ demon speed mod. I'd also recommend thederekjays port of preghostchili rom from g2 forums, it is way overthemed but stupid fast and full of built in tweaks and options enabled thru terminal. I myself use it as my daily and have hit 4129 on quadrant using tdj's kernel.
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wow, now that sounds pretty nice, ill flash that once i get the time and ill post some results
Why you so concerned bout the quadrant score, trying to impress someone?
From my fist to your face, enjoy.
If you like Sense try Virtuous Unity Beta and to make it faster try the No-sense script in the Desire HD forum to remove Sense launcher and other Sense bloatness. You can get it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=993475 and make sure you setup the lockscreen the way you want it before flashing the script because as of now the personalize menu doesnt work.
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Why you so concerned bout the quadrant score, trying to impress someone?
From my fist to your face, enjoy.
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I think that's so...Sadly he feels High score=Speed/Perf, but it's really Speed=/=Quadrant score. It's possible to fake a score of 100000 if you hack quad, people have hacked it before. But quad doesn't actually tell you about actual real life performance, which I think matters more. If you really want more speed than just overclock, 1ghz is enough-but do 1.4+ and it's pretty much overkill. For the most speed use performance governor, 1 homescreen, and install no other apps at all and use no widgets. And make the wallpaper a sold color with no scrolling, and don't use any b/g accounts at all.
Why does everyone always get so upset when someone wants to focus on getting a high quadrant score?! He can do what he wants with his own phone and enjoy it how he wants. I used to be concerned about quadrant too until I realized I don't care that much about how fast a rom runs as much as how cool it looks.
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I live in the real world and use my phone to do real world tasks. I care about 1 thing and 1 thing only. How my phone performs day to day.
If I'm taking credit card payments with Square and prepping an invoice using MobileBiz while also sending emails, making calls and sending texts to clients, or simply taking pictures and video of my 6 month old son, I want it to run smooth. No lag, no hang-ups. Just work. Plain and simple.
MIUI does that and gives me 1 day 22 hours of it. All while running 1017/122 Superbad.
If you people are concerned about how long you can play Angry Birds, go load up Quadrant and run your favorite fart apps while pulling 8000 in Quad and brag all you want.
Holy crap guys whats with all the hate?!?!? To me quadrant is a tool to define the speed of a rom. Whaf i meant is that the higher score u get the faster it is. So if Thederekjay got 4200 its cuz whatever hes running is fast and would.want the performance. I know that the rom isnt whay entirely defines the speed of the phonr but its a majot part of the combination (kernel, OC, governor, vm optimisations). I just wanted the fastest phone so that i would experience the less lag possible while on.my phone and playing games. I only refered to quadrant because it is tool for me to compare my phones performance while testing roms, tweaks, kernels etc. So no its not for bragging
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YOU think it's not for bragging. YOU think the tool's results are valid info.
In fact, you're wrong, and the tool's results don't mean a thing, and the correlation between them and the actual ROM speed barely exists.
That's what most people tried to explain to you in this thread.
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YOU think it's not for bragging. YOU think the tool's results are valid info.
In fact, you're wrong, and the tool's results don't mean a thing, and the correlation between them and the actual ROM speed barely exists.
That's what most people tried to explain to you in this thread.
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well it sounded more like ppl wanted me to shut up because bragging about your phone is gay but thats not was i was trying to do.
No one complains when a dev posts a screenshot of a quadrant score in a ROM they put out....douchebags.
Results in a spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntDDKv-lS6IdGRRdDBkUkxWUVpMTVhsQk1HNUlWYUE
A little background
Supercharging is a memory management script. I believe its origin is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592312
I decided to test it out to see if performance is enhanced in any measurable way. I may at some point run this thread through my UX machine to find out what people have said about it.
I used CyberGR's ROM because it has a user friendly minfree menu option and also he provided a flashable mod with the supercharging script. Also CyberGR's ROM has no issues I'm aware of, having previously ranked it high among the ICS ROMs. Other ROMs may also provide supercharging, but I'm not sure which ones.
I tested with performance/cfq at 1GHz, very clean install, apps restored from titanium backup, sync disabled, etc... same methodology as my previous ROM benchmarks.
Summary of Results
There was no significant performance difference in any configuration.
That is, no difference with or without the script, at any minfree level. The only difference I noticed was that the supercharger script defaulted to a setting of 125MB free, i.e. apps start getting killed if you have less than 125MB free. As a result, I was able to multitask fewer apps. To me, this does not seem like a benefit. (Although if you do install the script, there is nothing stopping you from adjusting your minfree to a lower level, as the options to do this are in the menu, with stick-on-reboot.)
Feel free to tell me where I am going wrong with this, as I am no expert here...
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Results in a spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntDDKv-lS6IdGRRdDBkUkxWUVpMTVhsQk1HNUlWYUE
A little background
Supercharging is a memory management script. I believe its origin is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592312
I decided to test it out to see if performance is enhanced in any measurable way. I may at some point run this thread through my UX machine to find out what people have said about it.
I used CyberGR's ROM because it has a user friendly minfree menu option and also he provided a flashable mod with the supercharging script. Also CyberGR's ROM has no issues I'm aware of, having previously ranked it high among the ICS ROMs. Other ROMs may also provide supercharging, but I'm not sure which ones.
I tested with performance/cfq at 1GHz, very clean install, apps restored from titanium backup, sync disabled, etc... same methodology as my previous ROM benchmarks.
Summary of Results
There was no significant performance difference in any configuration.
That is, no difference with or without the script, at any minfree level. The only difference I noticed was that the supercharger script defaulted to a setting of 125MB free, i.e. apps start getting killed if you have less than 125MB free. As a result, I was able to multitask fewer apps. To me, this does not seem like a benefit. (Although if you do install the script, there is nothing stopping you from adjusting your minfree to a lower level, as the options to do this are in the menu, with stick-on-reboot.)
Feel free to tell me where I am going wrong with this, as I am no expert here...
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ive been saying this for a long time. but i do feel that it could benefit older legacy devices that dont perform like newer devices(like the og droid, mytouch..)
What an amazing work!
Bedalus you're the graph's king
I respect you
I always suspected there was no real benefit to this script. Except maybe that it helps to stop launcher re draws. Although using the latest roms and kernels with CM9 bigmem does the same thing.
RcrdBrt said:
What an amazing work!
Bedalus you're the graph's king
I respect you
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I don't want your respect. I want your obedience!
just kidding. Drunk.
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I don't want your respect. I want your obedience!
just kidding. Drunk.
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youll need one of these then..
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I have one. Not kidding.
Shouldn't admit that. Drunk.
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lmfao
oh man are you going to regret this haha
derekwilkinson said:
lmfao
oh man are you going to regret this haha
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D'oh!
derekwilkinson said:
lmfao
oh man are you going to regret this haha
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You should really hide it from zeppelinrox, the supercharger script creator
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You should really hide it from zeppelinrox, the supercharger script creator
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Dammit... what did I miss?
heh.
Anyway if free ram is the same before and after supercharging, benchies would be usually be the same.
I'd be curious about KAK and 3G TurboCharger results tho
What I believe is similar to simms22's that this supercharger script may benefit devices older than our Nexus S, which have less RAM available.
With Nexus S and ICS, I don't think there's major problem with memory management.
It's true, though, that after multitasking with several apps simultaneously, especially those RAM-hungry apps, launcher may redraw.
But that doesn't happen anytime.
Having said that, custom kernels now provide this crazy BIGMEM hack which provides our Nexus S with around 380-400 free RAM available.
But my question is: Isn't free RAM a waste?
I learn this from my experience with iOS (please don't mock me here ).
I agree with you Glenn, it seems a waste. I see no reason why not set the minfree to the smallest amount possible, since the OS kills apps when necessary.
Yeah having alot of free memory, over a certain amount, is indeed a waste and just kills multitasking.
But having too much free ram in order to get speed is a classic case of improving one thing at the expense of another.
SuperCharger aims to keep it fast without having too much free ram.
With a higher launcher priority, everything stays snappy without having to go crazy with the free ram thing.
Thank you for your hard work in all of your benchmarks bedalus they have helped me get closer to the perfect set up.
Every time any updates come out I do a completely clean install scripts are the last thing I apply. I really can tell a difference in the feel of my device after running the V6 script. It feels much more snappy. I don't know if this would be considered a "performance gain" as it is an overall feel of my device.
Almost forgot, thank you Zeppelinrox for your awesome scripts. I run them all on my NS4G. And yes, I leave the V6 animation on
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I think Android manages memory very well.
I'm a heavy multitasker.
I read a lot: news, Twitter, xda, articles in random websites using Chrome, all done while listening to music, yet I seldom get my stock launcher redraws.
This is done without a kernel having BIGMEM hack.
Compared to iOS memory management, Android is far better in this case.
I'm proud to have an Android phone among my iPhone friends.
They all always whine "Gosh! Apple really needs to give iPhone more RAM!"
And I was like "No buddy. Apple has to learn how Android manages memory."
No offense for those using iOS device.
I do also use it.
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I agree with you Glenn, it seems a waste. I see no reason why not set the minfree to the smallest amount possible, since the OS kills apps when necessary.
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Lowest amount isn't wise and neither is a high amount. The listed "free" ram is used for caching and is nearly all full (use the free command in terminal for more info). Very little ram gets wasted in phone OSes. As ram gets to around 1gb+ minfree values won't see the light of day with current apps anyway.
The more cached the better, so long as it doesn't impact the currently needed portion.
Harbb said:
Lowest amount isn't wise and neither is a high amount. The listed "free" ram is used for caching and is nearly all full (use the free command in terminal for more info). Very little ram gets wasted in phone OSes. As ram gets to around 1gb+ minfree values won't see the light of day with current apps anyway.
The more cached the better, so long as it doesn't impact the currently needed portion.
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That's exactly what I'm experiencing.
With more apps cached, multitasking is faster.
However, when I see an increase in free RAM available, that's when I "feel" my phone is snappier. But actually this gives disadvantage to multitasking. Some apps needed to be loaded from scratch.
glennkaonang said:
That's exactly what I'm experiencing.
With more apps cached, multitasking is faster.
However, when I see an increase in free RAM available, that's when I "feel" my phone is snappier. But actually this gives disadvantage to multitasking. Some apps needed to be loaded from scratch.
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Free RAM, as listed in the [Settings > Apps > Running] section is cached RAM. None of that is "free", it is being used, however all of that is available if a currently running service requires it.
Minfrees play a role in getting rid of the "expendables" when this "free" RAM gets below a certain point (at least i'm pretty sure it is the cached RAM that is taken into account with minfrees, otherwise multitasking wouldn't be possible considering the actual unused RAM amounts). More info here. These are very useful on low memory devices, as you get above 768MB - 1GB they become near meaningless, as you'll find yourself rarely ever out of memory.
Thanks for your explanation, Harbb.
This clears any misconception I have.
Anyway I hate this thanks limit in XDA!
Hey guys
since i saw a lot of kernel for the beast N7100
and i think a lot of you may be asking which kernel to choose
i liked just to make a small comparison for those kernel via Antutu Benchmark
some of you care for the performance results, and some just want a balance Kernel
therefore i tested almost all kernel for the SAMMY based kernels and upload the pix for you
in this way you may get a better idea how might your phone look alike, But also you have to watch you Battery
All Kernels without modifications just flashed and tested with 1600 MHz
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All Kernels without modifications just flashed and tested with 1800 MHz
All Kernels without modifications just flashed and tested with 2000 MHz
Correction for 2 kernel name, Perseus 1.36, and Redpill 1.47
It migt be not so important for you,
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alright but now do some tests for battery life, i think thats no1 reason what people want in custom kernel
use every kernel for few days with "normal" usage and do screenshots every day of battery and screen on time when batttery goes critical. i planned to do that but kinda lazy
also it would be good to do some recording of wakelocks on every kernel.
trpi said:
alright but now do some tests for battery life, i think thats no1 reason what people want in custom kernel
use every kernel for few days with "normal" usage and do screenshots every day of battery and screen on time when batttery goes critical. i planned to do that but kinda lazy
also it would be good to do some recording of wakelocks on every kernel.
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thats indeed better, but me also cant make the test for battery...since i daily or every 2 days change a rom....my phone is not stable on any rom lol
Were these benchmark runs only once?
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Were these benchmark runs only once?
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if u mean one test for kernel, then yes
good comparison.. which rom where u using while doing the testing??
also which baseband and build?
This is so completely irrelevant to anyone but you. A single run of benchmarks is in no way indicitave of a kernels performance.
Anyone making the decision to flash a kernel based solely on a screenshot of some benchmarks should just stick to stock and save themselves the hassle.
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fake_japanese_guy said:
good comparison.. which rom where u using while doing the testing??
also which baseband and build?
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On alliance rom v3 dmc3 baseband xdkl7...when ur rom will be ready ?
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This is so completely irrelevant to anyone but you. A single run of benchmarks is in no way indicitave of a kernels performance.
Anyone making the decision to flash a kernel based solely on a screenshot of some benchmarks should just stick to stock and save themselves the hassle.
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So where is ur point?
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mrlove6 said:
So where is ur point?
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My point is that the information you have provided is useful only to you and even then it isn't particularly useful.
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My point is that the information you have provided is useful only to you and even then it isn't particularly useful.
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Maybe thats ur opinion..when benchmark and kernels are never important there was no need to invent the benchmark. ...anyway ill try to contact phonearena.com and gsmarena.com and tell them to stop testing phones on benchmark ( useless ) becuase u said so. Thanks for ur pass
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it is interesting someone post a result with 3d score 863 for a note 2. do you know what that mean?
Means overclicking so much isnt good with this kernal...and as u see I think its the only one have low value
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mrlove6 said:
Maybe thats ur opinion..when benchmark and kernels are never important there was no need to invent the benchmark. ...anyway ill try to contact phonearena.com and gsmarena.com and tell them to stop testing phones on benchmark ( useless ) becuase u said so. Thanks for ur pass
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They actually use repeatable tests. Or at least I hope they do. Not just you running the benchmark once...
If you want even a modicum of respect in the field of scientific testing, you'd have given the details of the ROM version in use, and also the process used to average the results over a number of executions.
Scientific tests are based across running one test multiple times without changing anything, as it increases the reliability of the results if they agree with each other.
Usually you can discount the lowest and highest result each time you repeat the same test, but then you need to average the remaining results. I'd expect that benchmarks should be normally distributed around the actual score.
mrlove6 said:
Hey guys
since i saw a lot of kernel for the beast N7100
and i think a lot of you may be asking which kernel to choose
i liked just to make a small comparison for those kernel via Antutu Benchmark
some of you care for the performance results, and some just want a balance Kernel
therefore i tested almost all kernel for the SAMMY based kernels and upload the pix for you
in this way you may get a better idea how might your phone look alike, But also you have to watch you Battery
All Kernels without modifications just flashed and tested with 1600 MHz
All Kernels without modifications just flashed and tested with 1800 MHz
All Kernels without modifications just flashed and tested with 2000 MHz
It migt be not so important for you,
but if you think i helped you
please do not hesitate to click the Thanks button
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I got (1600Mhz) 1800+ score in AnTuTu ...without any junks i got 18500+
NEAK kernel...
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Which rom u r using ?
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Omega Rom v16+SaberKernel:good:
Wow your scores are pretty bad. I use to get 19,000+ with ARHD and Perseus kernel OC to 1.8Ghz and UV down to -50mv. However, I also realised that if you keep benchmarking repeatedly one after the other you will get lower scores due to built up of heat and other factors such as RAM usage. So the question is: How long did you wait between benchmarking a kernel and what were the precautions you took before initiating a benchmark run? And what was the average score of each kernel?
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Wow your scores are pretty bad. I use to get 19,000+ with ARHD and Perseus kernel OC to 1.8Ghz and UV down to -50mv. However, I also realised that if you keep benchmarking repeatedly one after the other you will get lower scores due to built up of heat and other factors such as RAM usage. So the question is: How long did you wait between benchmarking a kernel and what were the precautions you took before initiating a benchmark run? And what was the average score of each kernel?
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if u take a look on the screenshots, u will see exactly the time and the average compared to the 3 oc 1600 1800 and 2000
Maybe re-run the test? Clear Memory, Kill apps before running each test?
Take the average of lets say 3 runs?