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[Q] Froyo!!!

On day 3 with the new phone. Rooted, overclocked and bloatware removed. I love this goddamn phone but I just cannot wait to put Froyo on it. Is that possible at this point or do I have to wait till a fascinate specific Rom is made? (my first droid)

How exactly did you get it overclocked? I wasn't aware of any available kernels to install to allow for it.

wait... Overclocked lol where is the kernel for it!!!????

I think that was a bit of a typo. Probably meant lag-fixed.

there prob wont be custom kernel for it for a few days.... prob jacs like always.... 1.2ghz OC...

Is there a noticeable increase in speed with the overclock and bloat removed?
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oops
see how new I am? I didn't even know that I couldn't over clock my droid just by unrooting and installing Overclock! I'm a little confused by android so far. I'm coming from blackberry and never looking back.. berry. ( a little cell phone humor)
but serioiusly. i'm wondering about Roms, do I have to get a rom specifically for this phone or can i use any rom?
To answer your question this phone was already pretty dam fast and seeing as how I'm not even really overclocked, no I don't notice a difference really.
I gotta say tho, I really like touch wiz. I had a droid 2 for 2 weeks before I turned it in and I prefer touchwiz to motoblur and launcher pro

there's no overclock yet LOL

illtema said:
see how new I am? I didn't even know that I couldn't over clock my droid just by unrooting and installing Overclock! I'm a little confused by android so far. I'm coming from blackberry and never looking back.. berry. ( a little cell phone humor)
but serioiusly. i'm wondering about Roms, do I have to get a rom specifically for this phone or can i use any rom?
To answer your question this phone was already pretty dam fast and seeing as how I'm not even really overclocked, no I don't notice a difference really.
I gotta say tho, I really like touch wiz. I had a droid 2 for 2 weeks before I turned it in and I prefer touchwiz to motoblur and launcher pro
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Ill tell you now lol.
1. There are no overclock kernels as of yet
2. This is not a "Droid"
3. LagFix is not = to Overclocking
4. There are no ROMs for this phone yet so dont try to install one from a different device.
Just a quick question... What does "I didn't even know that I couldn't over clock my droid just by unrooting and installing Overclock!" mean? lol. Im sorry haha. It just doesnt make any sense and its bugging me lawl.

@hijackerjack
thanks a lot for the clarifications!
Lol i'm still calling my phone a droid regardless of anything.
And I thought the program "Overclock!" allowed you to overclock your droid as long as it was rooted. I didn't know there was a seperate process involved in overclocking.

illtema said:
Lol i'm still calling my phone a droid regardless of anything.
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Are you kidding? After applying the lag fix to this phone, it totally pwns the Droids. It's in a whole other class. I can't wait to blow my buddy at work away tomorrow (Droid owner) with my 2268 score in Quadrant. Also super AMOLED FTW!
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I have the Samsung Fascinate.....and there is absolutely ALMOST no difference in speed after rooting. As far as the lag fix well come on people QUADRANT means nothing at this point. Outside of that score I didnt notice one bit of difference besdies the fact that the App Market opened a bit faster. Not worth is cause my wifi then started to have problems.
I had the droid x before this and if i can get a stock Froyo on this with the touchwiz widgets that be my dream. Touchwiz launcher is slow as is. I just like a few widgets from it.
The phone stock vs droid x is no comparison........DROID X DESTROYS IT!!!!!! Again i had both THE DROID X DETROYS IT IN SPEED.

martyotaku said:
I have the Samsung Fascinate.....and there is absolutely ALMOST no difference in speed after rooting. As far as the lag fix well come on people QUADRANT means nothing at this point. Outside of that score I didnt notice one bit of difference besdies the fact that the App Market opened a bit faster. Not worth is cause my wifi then started to have problems.
I had the droid x before this and if i can get a stock Froyo on this with the touchwiz widgets that be my dream. Touchwiz launcher is slow as is. I just like a few widgets from it.
The phone stock vs droid x is no comparison........DROID X DESTROYS IT!!!!!! Again i had both THE DROID X DETROYS IT IN SPEED.
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You are crazy sir. The droid X launcher and motoblur stuff slowed it down. This phone is way better than the droid X. Ive had the droid X for two weeks incredible for another two and now the fascinate. Fascinate is definately the better of the devices GPU wise theres no comparison either

i agree, i got the incredible on launch day and out of the box with factory launcher it is actually faster than both. with launcherpro the sammy is up to speed. same with the x. i think that they are all about equal as far as speed(hence 1ghz lol) but when it comes to gaming the fascinate KILLS the DInc and still beats the X pretty swiftly. i actually switched to the fascinate just for the screen and the gaming abilties. not to mention the unlocked bootloader. also we will be able to acheive a real overclock that the X will likely never be able to get bc you cannot make changes to the kernel. also hopefully samsung doesnt screw up froyo to bad because anyone who has played with a D2 will tell you that froyo on it sucks ass. i went to vzw on the D2 launch day and was so dissapointed. i have countless friends who had D1 and it messed up or they had to have it replaced and got a D2 and are looking everywhere to switch to X or Incredible or even back to D1.

No, the lag fix does not make the phone ridiculously faster, but several things have sped up quite a bit. For instance, my web browser is ultra-fast when browsing over WiFi. I never realized how much of a bottleneck the internal memory I/O was. Also, apps in general are snappier, as the app data is all on the virtual partition. Some places you will notice the difference a lot, others not at all. Basically what it comes down to is that anything that is I/O intensive will be much faster. Oh, and the Quadrant scores are not meaningless. If you look at the breakdown from a full-version Quadrant score, you will see that the S phones with lag fix absolutely obliterate any other phone for I/O performance, while other benchmark test results remain pretty much the same (though 3D performance still beats any other phone).

so this lag fix for the i/o is only doable via rooting?

Holy F***ing F**k. You have got to be F***ing kidding me.
I am now a member of this community. I would prefer that my people knew what the hell they were talking about. The post lag fix Quad scores are irrelevant. It's a crazy high read/write speed, that is actually faster than any program or system process needs or can use, ie: it means squat. Until Froyo.
With 2.2, this speed will help boost processing, as well as 2D graphic capabilities quite a bit.
See here, before you brag:
Nexus Quadrant on Froyo:
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Note the Blue and Red. These are CPU processing, and memory speeds. The green is helpful about until it passes the red. After that, it's unused I/O speed which means nothing and is pointless.
Here's my lax fixed Fascinate:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop being tards about the lag fix Quadrant scores.
I really can't stand much more of it.
Please?

ivorycruncher said:
No, the lag fix does not make the phone ridiculously faster, but several things have sped up quite a bit. For instance, my web browser is ultra-fast when browsing over WiFi. I never realized how much of a bottleneck the internal memory I/O was. Also, apps in general are snappier, as the app data is all on the virtual partition. Some places you will notice the difference a lot, others not at all. Basically what it comes down to is that anything that is I/O intensive will be much faster. Oh, and the Quadrant scores are not meaningless. If you look at the breakdown from a full-version Quadrant score, you will see that the S phones with lag fix absolutely obliterate any other phone for I/O performance, while other benchmark test results remain pretty much the same (though 3D performance still beats any other phone).
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I'm going to beat this horse until the remains are unrecognizable.
No, they are not meaningless. However, the scores indicate a capability that FAR exceeds use. Just because it is capable of extremely high data R/W does not mean it's used.
Point is, in the two benchmark results above, the Nexus will F***ing smoke the Fascinate in every regard that is measurable by the user, despite a lower score. Well, except GPU, lol.
I'm about to chew my own hands off at the wrists waiting to see what Froyo will do with this processor. I fully expect this to be the fastest phone out loaded with 2.2, but for now I'm just trying not to scream every time someone says OMFGIGOTA2200QUADRANTSCOREKISSMYASSWTFHAHAHAHAAAA.
I need medication I think. I can't take it anymore.

Daswolven said:
I'm about to chew my own hands off at the wrists waiting to see what Froyo will do with this processor. I fully expect this to be the fastest phone out loaded with 2.2, but for now I'm just trying not to scream every time someone says OMFGIGOTA2200QUADRANTSCOREKISSMYASSWTFHAHAHAHAAAA.
I need medication I think. I can't take it anymore.
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captivate user here just browsing ya'll guys side. but anyways
OMFG I GOT A 2540 QUADRANT SCORE KISS MY ASS WTF HAHAHAHAAAA.
extra 300 points im assuming is from our OC'd kernal, why havnt you guys got one out yet since the source has been released ???

Yep, Vibrant user here...same dealio.
WTF Fascinate dudes, get it goin on....or something.

Highest Quadrant Score Ever Recorded on Evo?

Hey guys,
So on my Gen 1 Evo, I was using CM6.1.0 RC1 with CMsnap 7.6 BFS and Turbo turned on...I was able to achieve an unthinkable number that absolutely stunned me. Sadly, I sold this Evo as I wanted to buy the Epic 4G and start over. Just before I sold it on ebay, I flashed CM6.1.0 Stable with CMsnap 7.6 again with Turbo on and got an even higher score! Unfortunately, because I didn't want to add any more applications to the phone as I was shipping it out, I didn't take another screenshot of my highest score, BUT I did get a screenshot of my first benchmark and here it is:
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MY HIGHER SCORE WAS 2680! Talk about ridiculous!
Has anyone been able to achieve higher?

Vipermuscle83 said:
Hey guys,
So on my Gen 1 Evo, I was using CM6.1.0 RC1 with CMsnap 7.6 BFS and Turbo turned on...I was able to achieve an unthinkable number that absolutely stunned me. Sadly, I sold this Evo as I wanted to buy the white one and start over. Just before I sold it on ebay, I flashed CM6.1.0 Stable with CMsnap 7.6 again with Turbo on and got an even higher score! Unfortunately, because I didn't want to add any more applications to the phone as I was shipping it out, I didn't take another screenshot of my highest score, BUT I did get a screenshot of my first benchmark and here it is:
MY HIGHER SCORE WAS 2680! Talk about ridiculous!
Has anyone been able to achieve higher?
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I am not sure if anyone has but they are easy to fake so I am sure someone will come in here saying theirs is higher and then another then another. You see where im going with this.
Mine was no where near that and I dont care to check it often. As long as my phone functions properly its all good.

I saw as high as 2800 on snap turbo. Not really a big deal, quadrant is easily gameable. Cyanogen posted a shot of like 3800 a while ago.
Posted by my rooted EVO 4G

I'm not saying this is real but why would anyone fake this? To what end? Admittedly, my Evo has never achieved a quad score this high running CM6/Snap and I... don't see the point of getting your Evo to run this fast... Um... Congrats on your high score?

Dude, Honest to God...the only reason I even posted this was because I've always wanted to know what the highest Quadrant was on the Evo. I was practically giddy when I saw this score and I swear it's NOT a fake. Regardless, I didn't know if this was setting a benchmark or if someone else with a different setup was getting higher numbers. Like I said, I got a new Epic 4G now and want to see if there's another setup out there that would intrigue me.
I'm truly in love with Android and LOVE hacking...have been doing it since my Nexus One (Which I desperately miss btw) and just so enthusiastic about all we are able to do with these phones. I'm not even trying to compete with anyone...just find this **** so cool!

I've never received a score above 1550.
That being said, my friend bought a G2 and scores in the upper 2000s and yet my Evo performs all tasks just as well as his G2.

My highest was 2800 on CM6 with snap.
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Wow, so does a phone with that rom and kernel really run that much quicker doing day to day stuff?

I got over 9,000.

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Wow, so does a phone with that rom and kernel really run that much quicker doing day to day stuff?
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YES, you will feel and love the snappy feel and instant page loads!
This is this morning with CM6.1 and only 80mb free in phone storage, I have a lot of apps. If I strip it down w/o Google apps or any add ons, and put it in airplane mode, I've gotten 2890 before.

dude for real anyone that thinks that is fake they have never tried cm w/turbo. I remember getting scores like that.

If your rom uses Stagefright, this isn't equivalent test...
Guys,
From another thread:
"I wouldn't go crazy, guys. This tweak makes stagefright the default media player. Stagefright is better at decoding h.264 videos. Quadrant uses h.264 decode as part of its benchmark. Thus, the higher score...
So, this tweak increases the performance of a task that Quadrant just so happens to use. The same kind of thing occurs with Snapdragons and Linpack. This _doesn't_ mean that this tweak improves overall CPU performance by 30%."
humungus
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What I've noticed is that SnapTurbo, although incredibly fast "Quadrant-Wise", really has no noticeable performance impact while operating everyday features such as opening applications, browsing the net, or altering settings. It seems only as fast as any other AOSP kernal. BUT...It's awesome getting those quadrant scores for sure!

Actually, I was reading an article last night about a couple of Epic 4G developers that were practically at war over whether or not Quadrant Scores are an accurate telling point for performance. The developer that argued that quadrant scores don't matter was so determined to prove his point that he literally created a Rom built for nothing more than to max out Quadrant Standard even though it was only as fast as the average Epic 4g Rom. That evidence, along with my own comparisons while using SnapTurbo with CM6.1 vs other kernals on CM6.1 got me pretty convinced that quadrant scores are just something to show off but probably won't amount to anything you can actually feel being that much faster on the phone.

gerardo vega said:
dude for real anyone that thinks that is fake they have never tried cm w/turbo. I remember getting scores like that.
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I never said this was fake I was just stating the fact that Quadrant is easily manipulated to show higher scores.

I run CM6/Snap kernel and it cooks through my battery so quickly that I dissable it. This is like thinking that you need a 400hp vette to drive on a freeway--you don't. You only need about 45hp, if that. That being said, I Set CPU my Evo at 350MHz when it's running a battery and I swear it runs fine and promote to 900MHz when it's plugged in. So why have a superphone if you're going to undervolt it? Why do people own, 4WD raised trucks in the burbs? Cuz ya' can...
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OT rant:
Seriously, why are you running snap 7.6 with 6.1, and with Turbo enabled, no less? Have you just ignored the hundreds of posts of problems people are having with 6.1 and Turbo? And the warning from the CM team that Turbo is not compatible with 6.1? I'm not trying to be a nazi about this, because you're welcome to use whatever kernel you want, but I'm just constantly amazed at the amount of posts from people still trying to use the 7.6 Turbo kernel after they've been told countless times not to use it. Is the extra perceived performance worth all the annoying bugs?

yeah, i got around 2600~'s as well with cm6 and snap with turbo on and oc'd to 1200 etc.
ran p.good. not sure why i stopped =P haha

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OT rant:
Seriously, why are you running snap 7.6 with 6.1, and with Turbo enabled, no less? Have you just ignored the hundreds of posts of problems people are having with 6.1 and Turbo? And the warning from the CM team that Turbo is not compatible with 6.1? I'm not trying to be a nazi about this, because you're welcome to use whatever kernel you want, but I'm just constantly amazed at the amount of posts from people still trying to use the 7.6 Turbo kernel after they've been told countless times not to use it. Is the extra perceived performance worth all the annoying bugs?
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This would be the first that I have heard of there being a problem with CM6.1 and Snap Turbo. I don't read every single post about CM, though I do scan through the development thread from time to time, haven't read about it there, so it must not be too widespread of a problem. I do remember reading about some problems people were having with bluetooth with Snap and the CM RC's, but I don't use BT, so I never really looked into it.
Myself, I run Snap Turbo cause it actually runs better foe me than what I've tested last week. I setup CM6.1 with the stock kernel and ran it for a bit, ran smooth, but I was getting some lag here and there. Tried out Zendroid .9 Beta, and that was pretty nice, but also similar in lag experiences. So I jumped back into Snap 7.6 BFS cause I knew haw it ran before, and figured I'd give it a go.
CM6.1 with Snap Turbo runs absolutely fantastic on my phone. I get no lag anywhere, and the speed with which pages load is ridiculous! I have SetCPU OC'd to 1190 Interactive, with a screen off profile of 128 min and 245 max Interactive. I get pretty nice battery life with that, and it's blazing fast when i need it. Right now, my battery is at 36% and it has been of the charger for 10.5 hours with moderate to heavy use through the day, I would call that plenty good considering. I wasn't getting any better with the built in kernel or Zendroid. Can't wait till Snap v9 comes out, hopefully before Xmas.

Even a cursory read through the Snap thread\CM6.1 thread\CM6.1 nightly thread would show that they are highly incompatible. You in no way need to read "every post", not even close. I would just think its recommendable to read up on whether a kernel is compatible with a ROM before blindly flashing it.
Its not all about "speed."

Speed up your Moto X (Fastest ROM/Kernel/Settings)

Hi guys and gals, so I started doing some benchmarks a while ago on my moto x after seeing how poorly mc5 preformed on both it and my old Droid Maxx. My goal was to find the absolute best settings and kernel/ROM combination possible. It just so turns out that n5xpa was the absolute fastest ROM available for our device. Not only is it stock aosp/pa with all the pa beta features but it has a couple of extras added on. There is also a custom AOSP CAF kernel that is also over clocked with fast charge built right in.
If you want to boost your in game fps download resolution changer in the play store and set the resolution to 583 x 1024 and set your dpi to 240.
Attached are my benchmarks in antutu 5.2.0 and all my settings. P.S. I do use seeder.
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This was using n5xpa? What version? Link?

Heres a link http://n5x.mobi/motox
There are two versions of the ROM. The paranoid android version and cyanogenmod version. Cm is the only one posted in the xda forums.
Updated benchmark

Those are really impressive scores. It is hard for me to break 29000 on my Maxx overclocked to 1.944 GHz running Faux's kernel. Well done.
This is using Interactive governor for CPU and on demand for GPU, stock voltage, fiops for I/O scheduler. I ran this setup for a few months but currently running on Intelliactive governor to see if there is a noticeable difference on battery life. But with how big the battery is on the Maxx, I don't think it matters. Antutu score suffers greatly when on intelliactive. Usually scores around 27000 but the phone is just as snappy.

Johnny Wong said:
Those are really impressive scores. It is hard for me to break 29000 on my Maxx overclocked to 1.944 GHz running Faux's kernel. Well done.
This is using Interactive governor for CPU and on demand for GPU, stock voltage, fiops for I/O scheduler. I ran this setup for a few months but currently running on Intelliactive governor to see if there is a noticeable difference on battery life. But with how big the battery is on the Maxx, I don't think it matters. Antutu score suffers greatly when on intelliactive. Usually scores around 27000 but the phone is just as snappy.
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I run a lower res around 563 x 1024 to 583 x1024 and I get major bench scores. And yes you really don't need a battery saving kernel on the maxx with its crazy battery. I had a locked maxx for a while. Just couldn't stand not having
cm or pa on it so I got a moto x
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What app are you using in the screenshot that shows your kernel's governor and clock speeds?

I don't see how crippling your device's functionality makes it better, outside of your benchmark score. Lowering a device's native screen resolution just to show off to all your friends some amazing benchmark score is pointless.

I couldn't keep my battery drain down on n5xpa ROM. For AOSP I've found Liquid to be the best stablity/speed + battery once I set it right, intelliactive bfq with intelliplug on, mpdecision off. I'm finally back to stock now that there's a custom kernel option for sprint users finally. And to be honest stock is much better all around for me. It's faster, good ole stock touchless and active Features and my battery is doing quite well.
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I have a small issue regarding contacts while trying to import my list from SIM. It simply says No Contacts anyone know why or how to fix? Also selecting 2G and the signal disappears 3G and LTE are the only working options. This is on PA 4.0 version.

So...you crippled your Moto X by flashing a custom ROM (removing any unique Moto features), lowered its screen resolution, overclocked it, and used a placebo application (Seeder) to get a slightly higher benchmark score.
And then made a post about it.
Good job.

Don't listen to imnuts or Lyokacanthrope. They always p1ss on anyone who actually does something.
Pathetic.

Sorry? It seems pretty pointless to reduce the functionality of a flagship smartphone just to get 3000 more points in a useless synthetic benchmark.
Doing this, your screen clarity will be drastically reduced, your battery life will go to hell, and you'll lose most of the features that make this phone interesting.
I love tinkering as much as the next guy, but this is just plain silly.

Quantumstate said:
Don't listen to imnuts or Lyokacanthrope. They always p1ss on anyone who actually does something.
Pathetic.
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Did something? It is completely crippling the phone just to get better benchmark numbers. I'll stick to my low benchmark, but still usable phone over anything mentioned in the OP. Installing AOSP is one thing, but the rest of the stuff that was done offers no increase in usability and is solely for increasing you e-peen.

You two just criticize and find fault, while never offering an alternate solution. This is the lowest and sickest (in the old sense of the word) mindset, afaic.
Researchers must explore new methods and boundaries in order to make breakthroughs, which are always unforeseen by you ignorant lot.
Oh, you happily take advantage of new developments, which you'd impeded right up until they mature, and never give credit nor acknowledge your role in discouraging innovators.
Good job there.

I see everyone's point here. Though i feel it is very important that someone browsing this forum understand in order to get the "speed" gains that are being promoted, features are being removed and shortcuts are being taken. Nothing wrong with that. "Knowing is half the battle" - G.I. Joe

Alternate solution: Leave your phone stock so it's actually usable. I'm not sure what you're looking for here, or in other threads with similar topics. There are times where alternate solutions are not useful, like this thread where the OP is illogical.
Turning down the resolution on a smartphone is like trying to get somewhere in a race car during rush hour traffic. Sure it goes fast, but what's the point?
Maybe it seems overly critical, but there isn't anything left when there are unreasonable, illogical, or some other similar post made.
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does it impact battery positively?
i can see using a 800x600 resolution on days that all i want is 24h of voice gps and texting.

Quantumstate, you treat this whole thing like it's some major scientific breakthrough that will cure cancer.
It's just getting a higher benchmark score on a year old phone. (while, of course, outright gimping it)
Nothing more.
It's akin to buying a brand new PC and slapping Windows XP on it because it uses less RAM.
Actual, GENUINE, improvement would probably be something along the lines of getting increased real-world framerates and stability while not sacrificing any functionality. Say, a rewrite of the kernel hotplug driver and GPU governor. That'd be neat to see.

No. Experimenting with various aspects of Android and taking a characteristic to an extreme, often leads to surprising results. It's the way science has always been done. If you perpetually follow the well-beaten path, you will always get average results.
This is what a few of you can not understand. But you go further than just dismissing these experimenters -- you go out of your way to criticize them. And that's when y'all deserve to be slapped, or else the whole development environment suffers.
It doesn't matter if you don't recognize the value. Take your frustrations out on something else.

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does it impact battery positively?
i can see using a 800x600 resolution on days that all i want is 24h of voice gps and texting.
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No, changing the resolution doesn't really do anything appreciable for the battery. You might get a little more due to the CPU and GPU working a little less, but nothing statistically significant.
Quantumstate said:
No. Experimenting with various aspects of Android and taking a characteristic to an extreme, often leads to surprising results. It's the way science has always been done. If you perpetually follow the well-beaten path, you will always get average results.
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How is doing what's always been done differ from what is a given? I'd be more concerned if all of the changes in the OP decreased performance. You do all of that stuff, you are guaranteed to get better benchmark scores, I'd say that is lower than average results.
Quantumstate said:
This is what a few of you can not understand. But you go further than just dismissing these experimenters -- you go out of your way to criticize them. And that's when y'all deserve to be slapped, or else the whole development environment suffers.
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I encourage legitimate development, but none of that ever shows up g here anymore. Legitimate experimentation would be getting significantly better benchmarks without hurting the hardware, battery life, or functionality of the device. Installing AOSP is one thing, kernel another. All credibility went out the door when the screen resolution was lowered and benchmarks used as the only measure of results.
Quantumstate said:
It doesn't matter if you don't recognize the value. Take your frustrations out on something else. Take up sports, if you're not too fat.
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I go to the gym regularly, as long as my schedule permits. Maybe you should try taking some classes in engineering, critical thinking, and logic, your posts suggest they are needed.
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Maximizing the X Play - GeekBrnch3

Hi all,
I've recently installed the overclocked kernel from squid and am having some trouble reaching the same benchmarks that he has hit. I am running stock MM with row 128 I/O and adreno-tz on the GPU. CPU is lionfish with min frequencies 800 on both clusters. I think squid is running CM13.
I consistently score between 680-740 single and 2680-2800 multi. Does this look about right for stock MM with the overlooked kernel?
Any help maximizing this would be greatly appreciated. I know these scores have (probably) very little to do with real-world use but if I can get more out of my device then why not.
Thank you for any insight!

XxMikeMasterxX said:
Hi all,
I've recently installed the overclocked kernel from squid and am having some trouble reaching the same benchmarks that he has hit. I am running stock MM with row 128 I/O and adreno-tz on the GPU. CPU is lionfish with min frequencies 800 on both clusters. I think squid is running CM13.
I consistently score between 680-740 single and 2680-2800 multi. Does this look about right for stock MM with the overlooked kernel?
Any help maximizing this would be greatly appreciated. I know these scores have (probably) very little to do with real-world use but if I can get more out of my device then why not.
Thank you for any insight!
EDIT: Moderator - could you please edit the title of the post and correct the typo? GeekBench, not Brnch. Thanks!
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Try with simple on demand in gpu.
I will try this app today.
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K.khiladi said:
Try with simple on demand in gpu.
I will try this app today.
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Hey pal. Thanks for your feedback. Nice to see your response. I'll try it out as you suggest. I've been running a bunch of tests and it's looking like I hover around 740-50 single and 2700-50 multi. I've changed the configuration to default squid, so interactive governor and aggressive frequency settings. Needless to say the performance sure is snappy. Hahaha.
I'll likely revert to lionfish 800 on both clusters but this interactive snappiness is tempting...

Exactly 700 and 2700 with the oc kernel, stock brazil mm. Not even kidding. Although i sincerely doubt anything but a "native" extension can accurately measure a device performance, there is too much virtual machine and abstractions between hardware and software. Then again, this limitation applies to almost all apps, eg the normal usecase...

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Looks to be about mine as well. What's your setup?
I got similar scores with lionfish, 800 both clusters. OCed kernel.

AtomicStryker said:
Exactly 700 and 2700 with the oc kernel, stock brazil mm. Not even kidding. Although i sincerely doubt anything but a "native" extension can accurately measure a device performance, there is too much virtual machine and abstractions between hardware and software. Then again, this limitation applies to almost all apps, eg the normal usecase...
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What's your setup, Atomic?

Running
Temasek's CM 4.1
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XxMikeMasterxX said:
Looks to be about mine as well. What's your setup?
I got similar scores with lionfish, 800 both clusters. OCed kernel.
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Interactive. Base frequencies on both clusters 200. Overcharged squid kernel.
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TxaEkis said:
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Temasek's CM 4.1
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Cm seems to be set for higher benchmarks.
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Yeah does it ever. Stock gives me max 770 single 2815 multi. I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle of ROM switching to get those extra points. Would I really see the performance difference?
Although I am tempted to try a new ROM. Would be fun...so long as I use Titanium Backup properly. Hahaha

XxMikeMasterxX said:
Yeah does it ever. Stock gives me max 770 single 2815 multi. I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle of ROM switching to get those extra points. Would I really see the performance difference?
Although I am tempted to try a new ROM. Would be fun...so long as I use Titanium Backup properly. Hahaha
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If you are happy with stock don't bother as you won't even notice those extra points in the benchmark. I changed roms for the extra features and cm themes and i was getting random lag until i changed to interactive and row, now is very smooth and zero lag

TxaEkis said:
If you are happy with stock don't bother as you won't even notice those extra points in the benchmark. I changed roms for the extra features and cm themes and i was getting random lag until i changed to interactive and row, now is very smooth and zero lag
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Interactive is a great governor yeah. Thanks for your response regarding the ROM. I hear that CM13 is still a little shaky on the X Play but maybe I'll try the next release just to compare. I'll try a full discharge from 100% with default squid's OC kernel values. If I can still get >7 hours SOT with that setup and snappy performance I'll be thrilled.

XxMikeMasterxX said:
Yeah does it ever. Stock gives me max 770 single 2815 multi. I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle of ROM switching to get those extra points. Would I really see the performance difference?
Although I am tempted to try a new ROM. Would be fun...so long as I use Titanium Backup properly. Hahaha
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This is miniscule difference. It doesn't create a great performance difference between stock and custom Roms. The benchmarks most of the time shows the raw power of the device but the optimisation of the software also is needed.
You can try custom Roms to get extra functionality but there are still bugs in them.
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This is miniscule difference. It doesn't create a great performance difference between stock and custom Roms. The benchmarks most of the time shows the raw power of the device but the optimisation of the software also is needed.
You can try custom Roms to get extra functionality but there are still bugs in them.
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Nicely said. Performance and stability are key for me. Battery life too. Haha. I just love the X Play for that battery. 5 hours SOT and 21%. So lovely.

I had carefully tuned CM13 to get the best performance out of this device, so it and derivatives will give better performance than the defaults in stock. You can see some of my configuration here: https://github.com/moto8916/android_device_motorola_lux/blob/cm-13.0/rootdir/etc/init.target.rc Beyond that, some higher level parts of the ROM are better optimized on custom ROMs than stock, so that also improves performance.
For reference, here is my last score with the new (OC) kernel:

squid2 said:
I had carefully tuned CM13 to get the best performance out of this device, so it and derivatives will give better performance than the defaults in stock. You can see some of my configuration here: https://github.com/moto8916/android_device_motorola_lux/blob/cm-13.0/rootdir/etc/init.target.rc Beyond that, some higher level parts of the ROM are better optimized on custom ROMs than stock, so that also improves performance.
For reference, here is my last score with the new (OC) kernel:
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Hey squid,
Looks interesting. I think CM13 is definitely worth a look. I think I'll try the next release. Thanks for explaining the customizations/optimizations you've done.

Frankly, i couldn't care less about some number a synthetic benchmark spits out. The number 1 consideration is how long the battery lasts, then (a long way off) how quickly "heavy" apps such as firefox launch. Last i read CM13 isn't as good as stock at conserving power.

AtomicStryker said:
Frankly, i couldn't care less about some number a synthetic benchmark spits out. The number 1 consideration is how long the battery lasts, then (a long way off) how quickly "heavy" apps such as firefox launch. Last i read CM13 isn't as good as stock at conserving power.
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Battery life is quintessential for me, too. I was hoping to strike a balance between performance and battery (hence the Optimal Setup thread) and am still trying to discern what the best setup is to meet my requirements.
I'd like to try a custom ROM at some point, but that's my curiosity more than anything.
Battery life on the X Play can't be beat! That's why I got it.

Moto x play is no slough, I just ran a test between my nexus 6 and MXP,
Most apps actually open faster on the moto x.
Scrolling through Web pages and g+ the nexus 6 is smoother

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Moto x play is no slough, I just ran a test between my nexus 6 and MXP,
Most apps actually open faster on the moto x.
Scrolling through Web pages and g+ the nexus 6 is smoother
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Yep. I'd expect that. Still though - if properly customized this phone can really fly.

Benchmark Table Comparison - 3DMark and Geekbench 4.2

Hello and welcome!
This morning I began wandering the XDA ZUK Z2 forums, looking at all these new threads and posts. I'm really impressed with all the progress for the Z2 that developers have been making lately. So I decided to try a few new ROMs.
I have always found really interesting to test new ROMs, set them up, install everything back and then use the ROM for a few days to see how everything goes... Only to find out that a new feature has been released or a new version of the ROM I'm currently using and the process begins again, it's really cool :victory:
So today I picked a few ROMs, and decided to try them all, run a few benchs and write down the results. At the end I thought I could share the data gathered and perhaps we could get some idea of how these ROMs perform.
So the general process was the next:
Wipe everything but internal.
Flash ROM and ROM alone, no GAPPs, Magisk or MODs.
Wipe Dalvik and Cache (dev recommendation).
Shutdown from recovery, boot, install benchmark apps and restart.
Clear recents and begin benchmarks.
Notes:
TWRP used was latest official version.
Baseband is the latest official baseband for the chinese Z2.
ROM version was the latest as of yesterday.
Kept the phone above 40% battery, so battery charging was needed between ROM flashing from time to time.
Cooled phone between benchmarks, as to prevent throttling from affecting the benchmarks, however didn't add cooling when benchmarking.
Alright then! Let's get down to it!
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SSE scores: Overall scrore, graphics score, physics score. Ditto for Vulkan.
Geekbench 4 scores: Single core, multi core.
Geekbench 4 COM: Compute benchmark.
Now let's talk a bit about these numbers. As you can see Oreo ROMs get higher scores in both 3DMark and Geekbench benchmarks, with Cosmic getting the higher score in the Sling Shot Extreme OpenGL benchmark and Cypher in the Vulkan variant, although not by much. In Geekbench Jaguar leads with the higher score in both the single core and multi core test. Now look at every Oreo multi core score, it is higher than its Nougat counterpart, I wonder if this is in part because of the drivers or OS optimizations, however I also wonder how this shows, if it show at all, in real world usage.
I would like to note that if I'm not mistaken Jaguar had increased CPU frequencies, not sure about the GPU though, and that could be one factor for the increased scores, however OMNI got really close to Jaguar and again, if I'm not mistaken, Jaguar is based on OMNI. I would like to point that as the day passed the room temperature increased (hot day), so take the temp thresholds with a grain of salt. The battery percentage loss found in the table is that which 3DMark reported in the OpenGL test.
One thing is that even when the numbers varies from ROM to ROM the difference is not that huge (around 12% max in the multi core CPU test), and most importantly... how this translates to real world usage?
So perhaps you noticed the last column, Dolphin. I decided to install the latest Dolphin version and run The Legend of Zelda - Wind Waker intro screen and write down the highest and lowest FPS reported by the emulator. What we find is that the scores do not always reflect into the emulator FPS. Also there is a 'DoT' in almost all ROMs, what does that means? Well DoT stands for slowDown on Touch, yeah it makes no sense but it stuck. When running the emulator if the phone detects no input from the touch screen the FPS slow down by approximately 40%, that's what DoT means, I had to keep touching the screen to get full FPS, only on Citrus this was not the case, and I was getting full FPS with no input whatsoever.
So what all this means? Surely we always like to see higher numbers, I know do. But with time I have found that higher numbers are not necessarily better, or that it does not translate to better performance, battery life or SoT, stability, features, etc., for example in Oreo ROMs I always liked more how colors showed in the screen, even though we have KCAL in Nougat ROMs too. Also I ran these benchmarks only once, so they are not one hundred percent accurate. Usually more runs = more score accuracy, so take these with a grain of salt.
For fun I decided to OC the CPU when using Citrus 3.5, set Adreno boost to high (honestly don't know what it does just that it boosts something related to the GPU I guess haha) and even when the benchmarks didn't improve that much (actually it got a worse multi core CPU score) I got better Dolphin FPS, and that just proves my point.
And that was just one real world test which I think it's heavier on the CPU. I would like to test an intensive GPU game and get some data on that. Also, numbers don't say much when talking about customization and features, so to really feel a ROM you have to test it out yourself.
It would have been awesome if I had have the time to test more ROMs or kernels, I just picked some ROMs from the Telegram group and some here randomly. But! That means that there is more out there for you to try out! As I said in a post this morning: That just means you have a lot of options to choose from and have fun installing, customizing and using the ROMs in your phone.
So yeah, had fun doing this and wanted to share. A HUGE thanks to all the developers out there! Thank you for giving life to our device! :highfive:
EDIT. Please forgive my english, I'm still learning

Great info , thanks :fingers-crossed:

Cypher OS Oreo download link please!

sanketp60 said:
Cypher OS Oreo download link please!
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Sure! It has the 'Now Playing' feature, really neat.
Download
Thanks to the Lenovo ZUK Z2 - Portal Telegram group for the link.

Avan7 said:
Sure! It has the 'Now Playing' feature, really neat.
Download
Thanks to the Lenovo ZUK Z2 - Portal Telegram group for the link.
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Any bug around there in that rom?

suggestion for best gaming and battery friendly rom.

kashyapp said:
Any bug around there in that rom?
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Actually I just installed and ran the benchmarks right away, so I couldn't really say about bugs or share an overall experience.
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suggestion for best gaming and battery friendly rom.
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I think the most battery friendly ROM would be stock. However custom ROMs keep improving, so that's awesome. Other than that, this was just an experiment to get some numbers therefore I can't really say about battery.
There are so many factors, like battery drain on light and moderate usage and heavy CPU and/or GPU usage, deep sleep, hpereat, stability, user experiencie, etc.
It is hard to measure these with benchmarks alone.

Fascinating post, thank you for doing this!! I just bought this device for 7k refurb (approx 100$), should easily last a year or more.
Would it be possible to do a run with the Pixel Experience rom? Or is that one similar to the other ones you've already done? Just doing my research on this device and the various roms, its blowing me away how much horsepower exists in this thing for the low price!

Whats Citrus 3.5 OC?
Link Anyone?

Thanks for the comparison. But I was wondering, AEX is arguably the most popular ROM for Z2, so why skip that one?

frozenfirevr said:
Thanks for the comparison. But I was wondering, AEX is arguably the most popular ROM for Z2, so why skip that one?
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+1
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sanketp60 said:
Whats Citrus 3.5 OC?
Link Anyone?
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Citrus 3.5 by miju but with an OC applied with the custom Kernel Adiutor for the Z2
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Thanks for the comparison. But I was wondering, AEX is arguably the most popular ROM for Z2, so why skip that one?
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I understand and the reason is that I decided to try a batch of ROMs I hadn't tried before. I wanted to try many more, but time didn't allow it. Perhaps sometime close I'll do another run :fingers-crossed:

Very interesting! Thanks for your time.
Im considering to flash jaguar... im now on aex 5.2 but seems that jaguar is smoother and run good. Waiting for new latest builds to test this two and decide.

Avan7 said:
I understand and the reason is that I decided to try a batch of ROMs I hadn't tried before. I wanted to try many more, but time didn't allow it. Perhaps sometime close I'll do another run :fingers-crossed:
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Cool, thanks. Mind sharing your experience with each of the ROM also, if you spent any time with them? Have you chosen any one?