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Performance Test of Different Radio Versions[New Results by solidmac]

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Huge thanks to solidmac for contributing his/her test result:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub...NHdWxMbWc&hl=en&single=true&gid=0&output=html
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Hi everyone.
There are currently three different versions of radios available for Nexus One Froyo roms.
I conducted a test on all these 3 versions: 4.06, 5.08 and 5.12, and I would like to share my test result.
Link to test result:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ah8PsMa_NqfedERnUmtBWWdJc19OR3lGcmhvR2psMHc&hl=en
(All using unit kBps, kilo-byte-per-second)
My test strategy:
Test both 2G and H data speed.
Phone is put very close to window, no finger is touching on it during each test.
Results provided by SpeedTest.net application.
Default DNS server is used.
Tests were conducted consecutively.
Very poor results (2 occurrences,once with 508 H, once with 512 2G) are dropped.
About Phone:
Nexus One, purchased on 2nd March
CM6 110022010-nightly
Kernel: 2.6.35-7 925mV CFS AVS AIX 720p-Monks-103010
Environmental information:
Cheltenham, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia,
Cloudy, light wind, no rain,
Full bars signal during testing,
Yes Optus mobile company, APN selected to Yes Internet.

Thank you. I was surprised by these results, but its good to finally se some sort of comparison between the radios...

great data!

thx for the data and now i'm kinda regret flashing 5.12 lol

Interesting....nice to see the comparison stats! thanks

Flashing 512 isn't all that bad it has much better ping results meaning it reaches the website first than all the other ones now the only down side is the marginal dl speed
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That seems to confirm the results I got from switching the radios around.
I'm sticking with the latest though as it's not clear what other changes have been made, but I ten to believe that newer should be better

Base on the test i wonder if the newer radio only mean for the korean network.
Anyway any data for wifi connection?
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kuntau said:
Base on the test i wonder if the newer radio only mean for the korean network.
Anyway any data for wifi connection?
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I actually thought about testing wifi performance
but that probably won't reflex real radio performance since wifi performance is very constant for me no matter which version of radio i use.
also although 4.06 radio gives sometimes better performance, but I feel 5.12 has significant lower power consumption compare to 4.06

these radios show a difference under bad conditions.. OP if you could run an other test in a bad area or create a bad area ( putting the phone in a weak signal area 2-3 bars ) should show clearer results

Great Works, and now I know how to select radio.
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In terms of the ping results you HAVE to omit those 999s, thats not an actual reading of 999, thats saying the reading was 999+ which is not a finite number, so you cant take an average of it.
You've also got such wild spikes of 80% on the H download speeds that, not to put a downer on things, but the results are statistically worthless. You'd have to do a way bigger sample than that.

Since flashing 5.12, I've hardly ever dropped below 3G. I don't really care if it's faster/slower than the others, what matters to me is consistency...
I guess the point I'm making is that you may also wish to look at large packets of data (say 100mb) over a longer duration, and see those kind of results, also?
Of course, network, network loading, location, weather, etc all throw in variables that you can't account for. Only many statistical samples over time can help smooth out the anomolies.
Perhaps my nuclear engineering side is showing?
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danger-rat said:
Since flashing 5.12, I've hardly ever dropped below 3G. I don't really care if it's faster/slower than the others, what matters to me is consistency...
I guess the point I'm making is that you may also wish to look at large packets of data (say 100mb) over a longer duration, and see those kind of results, also?
Of course, network, network loading, location, weather, etc all throw in variables that you can't account for. Only many statistical samples over time can help smooth out the anomolies.
Perhaps my nuclear engineering side is showing?
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Haha, well you ARE correct though, network is inconsistent, especially when there are lots of people using data on the same antenna as you...causes a saturation in the spectrum and slows down speeds...
But I second that...do another test with bigger files (if you ever do another test )

thanks everyone
next time when I get large amount of mobile data I'll test again.

I went ahead and did one today hope it provides enough information if you guys have any questions please ask i will try to provide an answer.
Nexus one 5.08 vs 5.12

Nice chart, decided to stick with 4.06_07
Very brave of you to try all the radios

4xx.x version have bad ping scores compared to the newer versions. So pages queue up faster and search and voice to text are analyzed faster. Also the newer radios are more stable with their speeds especially in the wifi and 3g.

solidmac said:
I went ahead and did one today hope it provides enough information if you guys have any questions please ask i will try to provide an answer.
Nexus one 5.08 vs 5.12
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Hey mate
thanks for your test result
but i was wondering, why do you have test result on 5.09 radio.. did it work on Nexus One? I thought 509 radio was for Desire

I think that was just a typo. Should be 5.08

[Modem] - Telus TLJL3 (Froyo) - 850 enabled, HSDPA/HSUPA, better battery and GPS (?)

This modem works great for most people, and we've found it to have a number of advantages over other modems available. A few people have had issues and/or not thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Anyone who isn't satisfied with this modem will get a full refund.
You might want to clear your GPS data after flashing - *#*#1472365#*#* --> Delete GPS data --> Get position test. Get out of your basement for best results. Lots of us get great GPS signal with this, if you didn't clear your data and you don't get a good signal, don't complain to us about it.
Unfortunately, the people who have had issues with it have provided us approximately ZERO useful information as to what kernel/ROM they are using, so I'm not sure what the incompatibilities are. "Voice doesn't work hurr durr...flashing back." Thanks! How very helpful.
I pulled this out of the leaked froyo update for the Telus Fascinate 3G+ (It IS as GSM phone, even though it's called a Fascinate. Trust me.) The Fascinate 3G+ is a T959 (ie Vibrant) model, but Telus uses the same 3G data bands that AT&T does. I thought I'd put it out there for others to use. So far seems like a decent modem, I had the highest speedtest I've ever had (~3MB/sec) and the lowest ping I've ever had (13ms) with any modem, although, admittedly, it hasn't been consistent. Anecodotally, (and admittedly with limited testing this afternoon) it seems to use less battery than other modems I've used recently.
For anyone interested, the full leak of TLJL3 is here but I flashed it and didn't notice anything spectacular about it. It was a 2.2 build and the stock quadrant was 950-1050.
Questions I will project upon the users of XDA to have asked or will ask frequently -
Is this an HSDPA/HSUPA enabled modem?
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Yes to both.
What ROMs does this work on?
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So far, it appears to work with all ROMs using either an i9000 or Captivate based kernel. Which covers basically anything in this forum. (If you find this not to be accurate, please PM me so I can change this accordingly.) It may not work with stock or modified Captivate kernels. We haven't received any useful feedback from users about this, so it's hard to be definitive about it.
What are the advantages/disadvantages to this modem?
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At this time, it's hard to say definitively. So much of our use varies from day to day, so it's hard to be completely certain without a very sensitive voltmeter. Anecdotally, battery consumption seems to be a much better for me with this modem on the CM6.1 Beta 3, others users have reported similar results. Several users have reported better connections, and better lock times for GPS. I have personally had the best d/l speeds I've had on any modem, and the best pings on any modem. YMMV.
After flashing this modem I'm now at 50% TWS, what should I do?
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If toggling airplane mode doesn't do it for you, by all means flash another modem and I promise my feelings won't be hurt.
How do I install this modem?
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Flash it like any CWM zip.
I have a question that is already answered in this post, and answered again by several other users in this thread. Should I ask it again instead of reading a little bit?
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It wouldn't be XDA if you didn't.
You claim that with this modem several users have had increased signals, better satellite lock times, and lower battery use. Does this modem also print money?
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As of this writing, there are no confirmed results that this modem will actually print money. (If you find this not to be accurate, please PM me so I can change this accordingly.)

glitterballs said:
I pulled this out the the leaked update froyo update for the Telus Fascinate 3G+ (It IS as GSM phone, even though it's called a Fascinate. Trust me.) The Fascinate 3G+ is a T959 (ie Vibrant) model, but Telus uses the same 3G data bands that AT&T does. I thought I'd put it out there for others to use. So far seems like a decent modem, I had the highest speedtest I've ever had (~3MB/sec) and the lowest ping I've ever had (73ms) with any modem, although, admittedly, it hasn't been consistent. Anecodotally, (and admittedly with limited testing this afternoon) it seems to use less battery than other modems I've used recently.
For anyone interested, the full leak of TLJL3 is here but I flashed it and didn't notice anything spectacular about it. It was a 2.2 build and the stock quadrant was 950-1050.
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Awesome...more choices...
Thanks
Mac

Thanks for this!

hspda/hsupa?

can we have some information about this modem?
HSPA?
gps?
Battery?
We Will need some information to show us that this is better than JK4.

I'm flashing it on my Captivate now. I will edit my post later with how it compares to JK4 on my phone

I am interested to know how it performs because I have never had a better signal at my house than with the captivate JI6. I am using JK4 now with quite good performance, however when ever using an HSUPA enabled modem I ALWAYS get much much slower data than with say JI6 or the old JF6 or even JJ4. not sure why, though up-link is much faster with an HSUPA enabled modem the down-loink sucks and downloads are really slow as is indicated with consistently slower down-link tests on speedtest.net app.

Bowsa2511 said:
hspda/hsupa?
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Yes/Yes.
tjsooley said:
can we have some information about this modem?
HSPA?
gps?
Battery?
We Will need some information to show us that this is better than JK4.
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HSPA - See above.
gps - So far I can't say that either JK4 or JL3 have been consistent performers for me, which may be due to CM6.1 or not. But the best performance from both has been within 2m.
Battery - See op.
I'm not trying to convince anyone this is better than JK4, and I'm not sure that it is. Just putting it out there.

I am on cm 6.1 and I can say that jk4 is signifity better. I have no proof.

So far it's not bad, getting decent signal for an HSUPA enabled 850MHz modem. I wish I new why these modems drop my download speed so low... just so I wouldn't be puzzled and would at least know why.

I believe because it removes some of your download bandwidth to handle some of your upload bandwidth....thats obviously not the technical term for it...but you know what i mean...
-h8

seems to be working just as good ad JK4 for me. Can't really tell a difference yet
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I have one of the phones with a great gps. for the last two months and about seven roms and five kernels, my gps always locks and tracks amazing. So late Thursday night I flashed the jk4 modem because of call quality issues with jk3. my gps has not locked since. just flashed the new one and it locked in thirty seconds with nine sats inside in the pouring rain. Go figure...

No gps on jk4 either.
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I have to say I have no clue whats up with all the different modem files but I installed this modem in my Captivate running Cog 2.3B6 and was able to lock onto about 8 sats in 30-40 seconds with a good amount of them 35dba and above.
Also running speed test on an out of state server netted the following.
4188kbps Down 1308kbps upload.
not too shabby.

Just got 4.8/1.3 mbps. Best speedtest ever.
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eclypse3demons said:
I have to say I have no clue whats up with all the different modem files but I installed this modem in my Captivate running Cog 2.3B6 and was able to lock onto about 8 sats in 30-40 seconds with a good amount of them 35dba and above.
Also running speed test on an out of state server netted the following.
4188kbps Down 1308kbps upload.
not too shabby.
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I have the same config as you. How do you install modem. ?
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Only had it installed for 20 minutes but it is the best signal I have ever had in my home. I normally only get 2 bars and now have a full 4.
heading out in awhile and will post experience when I am back.

Thanks for posting this modem I would have never known about it otherwise.
I love it. Seems to be the best modem yet for me at least.
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Two hours of standby and it is still at 100% battery.
It usually goes back and forth between 3G and Edge in my house also so I am really liking the battery usage to say the least.
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RDI said:
I have the same config as you. How do you install modem. ?
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How have you come this far without knowing what to do with update zips? Flash with ClockworkMod homie.
bts0uth said:
Thanks for posting this modem I would have never known about it otherwise.
I love it. Seems to be the best modem yet for me at least.
Two hours of standby and it is still at 100% battery.
It usually goes back and forth between 3G and Edge in my house also so I am really liking the battery usage to say the least.
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Yeah, no problem man. I just stumbled upon this, and thought I'd check it out. I seem to be losing 1-2%/hr on standby with CM6.1 (undervolted), and it's really bringing the battery consumption down into perfectly usable levels (now if we could only figure out that goddamn full charge death bug )
I had a 13 and 56ms ping this morning! So that 73 from yesterday certainly wasn't a fluke. Normally, I'm around 200-300+.
So this modem seems to work fine with stock Captivate kernels from DG?

4G latency on EC05

I have run a few tests, and ever since installing EC05 I have noticed that my latency on 4G is way better. I used to see it around 250, and now it is in the 90 to 120 range. It also wakes up faster than it did before. I actually like using 4G now, lol. Anyone else notice that their latency and wake up is better?
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That's due to the updated modem firmware mostly. They performed several fixes on that front and overall should be getting a lot better performance not just on 4G but 3G as well.

dyehya said:
That's due to the updated modem firmware mostly. They performed several fixes on that front and overall should be getting a lot better performance not just on 4G but 3G as well.
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When ACS makes a ROM from EC05 then I'll update. Are you using stock or Bonsai?

The EC05 update and the modem overall fixed all the problems everyone was seeing. Check every problem people were complaining about and you will see that Sprint fixed all of the problems with the EC05 update. The Modem is nearly perfected in the EC05 update as well.

Even when acs does release the new version it may not include the modem just like bonsai. So just odin it now its worth it. 3g drain is really low now.
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Radio, Rom, Kernel, Theme, Etc.

It's been a minute since I've used my dinc because I have been using my Thunderbolt almost exclusively.. soooo I was wondering what you guys are using or think is the best combo. Radio I'm the most curious about!
Love being back on the dinc due to its nice and small size!!
Thanks

Omgb rom and incredikernel
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My general advice; go with older stuff. With the exception of a few ROMs, the current crop appears to be some seriously jury rigged work that just barely works. I've yet to install ANY AOSP ROM that didn't end up self-destructing or failing from the first boot. I think WildStang ROMs are probably the best pieces of work currently out if stability and functionality are features that impress you.

Dude try joelz runnymede 3D Rom with radio 08.08 and tinys gingersense kernel. I'm loving this and think u will too.
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Alton (Halo 2) said:
Dude try joelz runnymede 3D Rom with radio 08.08 and tinys gingersense kernel. I'm loving this and think u will too.
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All the Sense 3.0 ROMs run like molasses in January; SLOW as hell! 3D sure as hell isn't doing it any favors.

I'm using CM7 latest nightly, radio 11.x and tiny's incredikernel (10/8)
CM7 = It's quick, easily customization with android kitchen and with LP+ and custom dock it looks pretty snazzy
radio 11x = After trying all the radio's I find this one the most battery efficient, the GPS locks quick and data rate is excellent
( Note that differences between radio's are typically very small, I do believe this one is big enough to have me keep using it. Decide for yourself, everyone seems to have their own opinion on which is best )
tiny's incredikenel (10/8) = I actually just downloaded this one so not much of a review, but the quick charge and also the quick charge USB are big helps, not to mention custom voltages if you want to save a little bit more battery

POQbum said:
I'm using CM7 latest nightly, radio 11.x and tiny's incredikernel (10/8)
CM7 = It's quick, easily customization with android kitchen and with LP+ and custom dock it looks pretty snazzy
radio 11x = After trying all the radio's I find this one the most battery efficient, the GPS locks quick and data rate is excellent
( Note that differences between radio's are typically very small, I do believe this one is big enough to have me keep using it. Decide for yourself, everyone seems to have their own opinion on which is best )
tiny's incredikenel (10/8) = I actually just downloaded this one so not much of a review, but the quick charge and also the quick charge USB are big helps, not to mention custom voltages if you want to save a little bit more battery
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This radio?
2.15.00.11.19
If not could you give me the full name
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Yes, that is the specific radio.

I have installed cm7.1 update and have tried every fix/ patch I can find in these forums to correct this horrible radio problem...I can't seem to get over two bars at any given spot. I have tried glazing new kernals, prl, radio, etc...what is the best combination to run cm7.1...any help with this would greatly. Be appreciated....thanks in advance....oh ya I was having problems with wireless tethering. Also but was able to fix that with placing a tether folder in root that was missing
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oACE10o said:
I have installed cm7.1 update and have tried every fix/ patch I can find in these forums to correct this horrible radio problem...I can't seem to get over two bars at any given spot. I have tried glazing new kernals, prl, radio, etc...what is the best combination to run cm7.1...any help with this would greatly. Be appreciated....thanks in advance....oh ya I was having problems with wireless tethering. Also but was able to fix that with placing a tether folder in root that was missing
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The sense roms' signal bars are a little more generous than aosp. go to settings about phone and status and look at the dBm's for an accurate reading of signal strength.
On cm7 I usually stay between one and two bars, whereas on sense I would read up to four in the same areas, with the same dBm reading (no difference in actual signal strength).

I'm sitting at -94 to -97 dbm and 0asu....is that about normal?....I switched to a savage kernal the other day which seems to be helping other issues but radio is still an issue ...thanks for your help
sent from my Narly turbocharged EVO running CM7.1 with 22 lbs. of boost

what i'm trying to get across is that you don't have a radio issue. The same dBm will show more bars on a sense ROM than an aosp one.
If you'd like, flash a sense ROM and an aosp one. Then take an average in the same area over a period of time of what you're dBm's are. You shouldn't see much of a difference because roms have nothing to do with signal strength.
Edit: there us no 'normal' dBm number because there are so many variables to signal strength (distance from tower, humidity, elevation etc.). If you start to drop calls then you have a problem, if not, you're fine.

Gotcha....thanks for the insight!!!
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oACE10o said:
I'm sitting at -94 to -97 dbm and 0asu....is that about normal?....I switched to a savage kernal the other day which seems to be helping other issues but radio is still an issue ...thanks for your help
sent from my Narly turbocharged EVO running CM7.1 with 22 lbs. of boost
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Yeah you're not going to drop a call or get slow data from that, it is rather low though but nothing to worry about. Once it goes past 100 you should start to worry but again it'd still have to be significantly lower for all the bad stuff to start happening.
Besides all that, what makes you think this is a radio problem instead of just not-so-great coverage?

Just had some issues with wifi, calls, 3g/4g coverage , market connection( even on wifi)
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Wifi speeds top out around 6Mbps?

I have a fairly fast cable service (high 30's/low 40's Mbps) and a decent wireless-N router. My Evo seems to hit a wall around 6Mbps, never higher. However, I've seen those on the forum who seem to get faster speeds then that.
I understand this is a relative limitation to the hardware and I'm not going to see the speeds I see on my laptop.
It would be interesting to see what others are getting for wifi speeds.

With my current DSL internet, 2mbsps down, one up.
With Comcast at someone else's house. 8900 and 10,000 with adfree on. Didn't know made much of a difference.
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Try disabling mobile networks before turning on wifi it seems to help with my wifi speed although I've never tested my wifi speeds thru my evo cuz I don't use it much
We are legion, for we are many.

My work wifi can get speeds up to 100mbps on computers, and I normally see about 15-20mbps on the evo.

I get average of 7megs
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With my uncle wifi he has comcast,the highest on sense roms I have reached 21Mbps down and 6.12Mbps up. but on miui the highest I've ever got was 14Mbps and like 3-4Mbps up.
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I've wondered if it had to do with the fact I run AOSP roms and not sense.
It would be great if a dev could chime in and explain why there's a difference.

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I've wondered if it had to do with the fact I run AOSP roms and not sense.
It would be great if a dev could chime in and explain why there's a difference.
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Yes aosp (cm7 or deck) is the problem with slow wifi speed. sitting right next to the router with cm7/deck my evo top out at 7 or 8 Mbps while sense rom (fresh latest) I get an average of 11 Mbps, my DSL top out at 12 Mbps. Also aosp rom suffer more from not only low signal but slow wifi speed when you move further away from room to room, where as sense does slow down but not as much as aosp rom. I love aosp and currently continue to use aosp because of it speed over sense base rom. In my test sense rom stutter/choppy while watching flash video via browser (stock or opera or dolphin) but aosp (cm7 or deck) run a lot smoother.

Kinda what I expected. Thanks for the explanation.

Have you tried 3GTurboCharger script that is located in the V6 SuperCharger thread, it includes wifi xer... something to consider...
S
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theoner1 said:
Yes aosp (cm7 or deck) is the problem with slow wifi speed. sitting right next to the router with cm7/deck my evo top out at 7 or 8 Mbps while sense rom (fresh latest) I get an average of 11 Mbps, my DSL top out at 12 Mbps. Also aosp rom suffer more from not only low signal but slow wifi speed when you move further away from room to room, where as sense does slow down but not as much as aosp rom. I love aosp and currently continue to use aosp because of it speed over sense base rom. In my test sense rom stutter/choppy while watching flash video via browser (stock or opera or dolphin) but aosp (cm7 or deck) run a lot smoother.
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I am currently running an AOSP ROM ( Deck 1.3 ) and with my TWC 30m down, 2m up cable modem I am getting 13 - 15m down and 2m up no matter where in the house I am. Even when I am outside in the yard and only showing one bar on the WiFi Manager widget.
I ** DID ** get slower speeds on the CM7 ROM. Usually in the 7 - 8m range.
I haven't tried the CM7 ROM since I upgraded the radios though. It might have made a difference.
On a Sense ROM (JTG-ICS-4.0.3 b4) I can get 20+m. But I do agree that my video streaming on the Sense ROM has been anything but nice. And that is on ANY of the Sense ROMs I have tried.