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Method of flashing?

Which is the best way to flash the Leo now?
Some chefs recommend flashing back to an original rom then to a custom.
Now we have a working HSPL, until now Bepe's custom RUU was used for flashing just the OS part (and this util is still part of the Rom's on here). Do we now no longer use this and use UDK's customRUU instead?
It just seems that when I flash one custom rom over another and one over that one etc etc, I always end up with strange rom results :-/

jonboyuk said:
It just seems that when I flash one custom rom over another and one over that one etc etc, I always end up with strange rom results :-/
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I would of thought that problems with ROMS are due more to them all being new and the chefs trying to iron out the bugs....I ended up going through most of the roms available on the site until I found one that worked for me.
The only time I install an official rom is if I have problems booting and am not able to get activesync working otherwise I just go straight over the top of whatever rom is on my device and then hard reset before booting up for the first time.

Awesome! Good advice, thank you!

Ok, just to piggyback on this. As a first time flasher (without the HD2 as yet), have i got this correct:
a) Install HSPL so I can install 1.48 or 1.61 onto my 1.43 device without goldcard by placing the HTC Rom on a FAT16 microsd card as leoimg.nbh? Then should i want to do that again I will have to re-install hspl?
b) For cooked roms, install HSPL, then use SSPL to install cooked rom. Should it all go wrong I can then put back my stock 1.61 ROM onto a sd card and voila back to work without goldcard?

chris_ah1 said:
Ok, just to piggyback on this. As a first time flasher (without the HD2 as yet), have i got this correct:
a) Install HSPL so I can install 1.48 or 1.61 onto my 1.43 device without goldcard by placing the HTC Rom on a FAT16 microsd card as leoimg.nbh? Then should i want to do that again I will have to re-install hspl?
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I believe that the micro sd card should be formated FAT32. Just remember that when you flash an offical ROM, it will also remove the HSPL so you will need to reinstall it.
chris_ah1 said:
b) For cooked roms, install HSPL, then use SSPL to install cooked rom. Should it all go wrong I can then put back my stock 1.61 ROM onto a sd card and voila back to work without goldcard?
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I only use SSPL, but I've got a Goldcard in case of problems.....just follow the guides and without the goldcard, it's a good idea to make sure that HSPL is installed so you've got a way to revert back if you have any problems. Hope that explains it a bit better

Yep, that's precisely what I thought. thanks for confirming it.
I understand that some regulars are getting irritated by general newbie questions but sometimes it is good just to confirm and understanding of how it all works before hosing a device and then asking stupid qs on how to fix rather than posting how great a new ROM is
sadly I'm a bit too lazy to do the goldcard thing. But I might get one done for safety.

chris_ah1 said:
Ok, just to piggyback on this. As a first time flasher (without the HD2 as yet), have i got this correct:
a) Install HSPL so I can install 1.48 or 1.61 onto my 1.43 device without goldcard by placing the HTC Rom on a FAT16 microsd card as leoimg.nbh? Then should i want to do that again I will have to re-install hspl?
b) For cooked roms, install HSPL, then use SSPL to install cooked rom. Should it all go wrong I can then put back my stock 1.61 ROM onto a sd card and voila back to work without goldcard?
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You do not need any sspl to install a cooked rom when you've hspl'ed your leo.
You can revert back to the original spl by using the sd card method with a stock rom.

chris_ah1 said:
Yep, that's precisely what I thought. thanks for confirming it.
I understand that some regulars are getting irritated by general newbie questions but sometimes it is good just to confirm and understanding of how it all works before hosing a device and then asking stupid qs on how to fix rather than posting how great a new ROM is
sadly I'm a bit too lazy to do the goldcard thing. But I might get one done for safety.
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too bad you got the wrong answer. there is no need for sspl or goldcard after you use HSPL. with that you can install official and custom roms. you don't have to install hspl again. just the once. UNLESS you install a official ROM with the SD card method. that will overwrite HSPL with the original (locked) SPL. you can flash a original ROM over usb. this will leave the hspl intact.

Svenvdmeer said:
too bad you got the wrong answer. there is no need for sspl or goldcard after you use HSPL. with that you can install official and custom roms. you don't have to install hspl again. just the once. UNLESS you install a official ROM with the SD card method. that will overwrite HSPL with the original (locked) SPL. you can flash a original ROM over usb. this will leave the hspl intact.
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Am i bad, just trying to help. Still all they were after was some reassurence they wouldn't brick there device and what i said was at worst long winded.
Didn't see anyone else rushing to help.

So are we supposed to use UDK's RUU utility to flash now?

Svenvdmeer said:
too bad you got the wrong answer. there is no need for sspl or goldcard after you use HSPL. with that you can install official and custom roms. you don't have to install hspl again. just the once. UNLESS you install a official ROM with the SD card method. that will overwrite HSPL with the original (locked) SPL. you can flash a original ROM over usb. this will leave the hspl intact.
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So no cooked ROM will over-write HSPL?
ah, good. I just saw some ROm page (i think Xannytech) which said use only SSPL.
I dunno - it's all a bit technical for a first timer. perhaps i should stick to official updates and CABs for now.

Hopefully someone can put down some clear methods/ways for the new people, as there seems to be a lot of conflicting ideas (or maybe i'm imagining it).
I just tried flashing stock 1.61 to my 1.48 Leo, (after installing HSPL, which seemed to install fine).
I done a bad flash though (for whatever reason) as the phone just went in to perpetual rebooting after the update utility completed. Just managed to get it started by reflashing 1.48 back on to it.

Well here is the issue Hskalay:
You are meant to be able to uninstall HSPL...but some say that flashing a stock rom does not uninstall it.
Some say that cooked roms include SPL.nbh and that it will overwrite HSPL. In fact some rom cookers have said in their posts to only use SSPL and not sd flashing via leoimg.nbh and HSPL. However others say that cooked ROMS do not (and should not) overwrite the HSPL.
From what I have gathered without clear consensus is that as long as HSPL is on the device, ANY rom can be installed from the sd card - cooked or official. Without HSPL you NEEDED goldcard. With HSPL you can still use goldcard but it isnt essential, as long as HSPL works and boots.
From what I have read, it appears that HSPL is a bootloader like GRUB or windows boot loader or LILO. The difference from SSPL is that HSPL gets written to the boot sector, and SSPL is a temporary fix as if you installed GRUB/LILO to your linux system partition and had the stock bootloader in the boot sector point to it to boot.
Goldcard: you dont need a working bootloader (Bepe's HSPL or stock), you dont need a working ROM.
HSPL: you need a working bootloader (i.e HSPL of course), you dont need a working ROM.
SSPL: you need working rom, and working bootloader.
If you ever over-write your Bepe HSPL you will need to put it back on. hence it is not a once only deal. However, it appears as said that it is not over-written.

Thanks for your reply Chris.
With HSPL - Do the rom HAVE to be installed via the SD card? Or can they be launch and installed from the PC (via USB). ie install HSPL to the phone, and then running the standard update program for say, 1.48 to 1.61 (which needed goldcard previously if I am correct).

Right just tested everything out this morning. Installed HSPL.
Can run installs either using CustomRUU or SSPLRUU tools either leaving the phone in active sync or in the boot loader menu by holding down Vol Down key.
To install new Radio ROM just use CustomRUU as this won't wipe your device
and just install the radio. There is a tread with all the Radio only roms here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611787
Also wiped HSPL by installing original O2 ROM and this did clear the HSPL. To install original ROM, just copy the nbh to the device, rename it to LEOIMG.nbh and then reboot into the Bootloader and it will then reinstall the rom. Just to let you know I got some wiered error when doing this and it restarted the update and then completed. Hope this helps
It's been said that at the moment you shouldn't install custom ROMs by copying the nbh files to your memory card.
Update:
To reinstall HSPL again after flashing original ROM, I had to remove my memory card or it would not work.

[Q] HTC Stock ROM 3.14, SPL 3.03 - is NAND Android possible?

Hi, aftet two days of reading the xda-forum and unsuccesful try to install NAND version on my HD2, i'm asking this simple question.
My LEO is with stock ROM 3.14, SPL 3.0.3, radio 2.15.xx.xx.
I understood that it can be installed SD Android version, but i preffer faster NAND version.
Is that possible or it will be when HSPL for this SPL is availible?
Thank you!

You need to downgrade your SPL version in order to install HSPL2.08, and to do this you must flash an earlier stock ROM.
Look in the Android WM Development forum for a stock 1.66 ROM for your handset and flash that. You can then flash HSPL2.08 and then finally Magldr and Android.
There's plenty to do, but it's straight forward enough. Just make sure to read up on what you're doing first and it'll be no problem.

Thank you
Thank you for your advice, i'll try it and i'll push hard to do this, i'm former Desire and Galaxy S user, but with my own eyes i see that the Desire is faster then Galaxy, and the HD2 with Android /Nand/ is faster and smoother than both of them.

tnt3 said:
Thank you for your advice, i'll try it and i'll push hard to do this, i'm former Desire and Galaxy S user, but with my own eyes i see that the Desire is faster then Galaxy, and the HD2 with Android /Nand/ is faster and smoother than both of them.
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if you want nand only for speed, then try the ram builds on sd card..(eg: superram by darkstone )they are faster than nand...this way, you dont need to flash anything...no need to downgrade, no need to hspl...........just copy the android folder to your sd and voila..

pakure said:
if you want nand only for speed, then try the ram builds on sd card..(eg: superram by darkstone )they are faster than nand...this way, you dont need to flash anything...no need to downgrade, no need to hspl...........just copy the android folder to your sd and voila..
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just to give you some insight, I have the same stock setup as is you, and I'm using darkstone sense v0.1 and its great, fast, stable and everything working very well.. you have to try it, don't forget to use an autoboot application to achieve a reasonable battery life..

johncmolyneux said:
You need to downgrade your SPL version in order to install HSPL2.08, and to do this you must flash an earlier stock ROM.
Look in the Android WM Development forum for a stock 1.66 ROM for your handset and flash that. You can then flash HSPL2.08 and then finally Magldr and Android.
There's plenty to do, but it's straight forward enough. Just make sure to read up on what you're doing first and it'll be no problem.
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I had 3.14 based GTX 2.5 Elegancia ROM, Radio 2.15.50.14 and everything worked just right to get NAND on my HD2.
When you say 1.66ROM I am not sure if you are referring to Radio or ROM version.
Instructions on NAND for newbs thread says:
Radio 2.15.50.14 recommendable!!!
HSPL3 package can be used to downgrade to HSPL 2.08 HSPL (do not choose 2.08.0000 - but 2.08 HSPL ...
Note: Stock HD2 should have 2.10.0000 (stock);
Anyhow, it worked perfect so I think you should be good as long as your HSPL is downgraded to 2.08 version ... FYI - when you download HSPL file is titled HSPL3_package.rar ... this means HSPL version is 3 but you want to run it and set it up on 2.08 and than flash it onto your phone.
hopefully I didn confuse you too much

eenbox said:
I had 3.14 based GTX 2.5 Elegancia ROM, Radio 2.15.50.14 and everything worked just right to get NAND on my HD2.
When you say 1.66ROM I am not sure if you are referring to Radio or ROM version.
Instructions on NAND for newbs thread says:
Radio 2.15.50.14 recommendable!!!
HSPL3 package can be used to downgrade to HSPL 2.08 HSPL (do not choose 2.08.0000 - but 2.08 HSPL ...
Note: Stock HD2 should have 2.10.0000 (stock);
Anyhow, it worked perfect so I think you should be good as long as your HSPL is downgraded to 2.08 version ... FYI - when you download HSPL file is titled HSPL3_package.rar ... this means HSPL version is 3 but you want to run it and set it up on 2.08 and than flash it onto your phone.
hopefully I didn confuse you too much
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you probably have tmous hd2 and hence your spl is 2.10...for non-tmous hd2 the new stock 3.14 official rom has a spl3.03, which is not compatible with hspl...that is why john has suggested to roll back to an earlier stock rom (nontmous rom versions are older and different (1.48,1.72,1.66 etc)than tmous stock roms (2.x, 2.1x etc))

Hi
I'm starting a new thread.

tnt3 said:
I'm starting a new thread.
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ha ha ha...ok...so simple answer....no, you cannot install nand android on 3.14 rom with spl3.03, because you need magldr...(and hspl for magldr).....and hspl is not compatible with 3.03spl. and there is no idea if and when a new hspl will be available..
...so the only option for you if you want nand android, is to flash an older stock rom to downgrade your spl to less than 2.10 (1.42,1.66,2.08,2.10 etc)and only then can you install hspl without problems...and then flash a radio more than 2.08,( preferably 2.15)...then flash magldr, then flash android nand rom........got it??
it is not difficult if you have all those files ready...each flash takes 2 to 10 minutes maximum...so in total, within 30 minutes, you can have android
(you dont need any of these steps if you can use a sd/ram build )
make sure you roll back flash to the stock rom specific for your region.(.important!)

SD card android possible over 3.14 winmo ROM?
pakure said:
if you want nand only for speed, then try the ram builds on sd card..(eg: superram by darkstone )they are faster than nand...this way, you dont need to flash anything...no need to downgrade, no need to hspl...........just copy the android folder to your sd and voila..
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Is it possible to install android through SD card in hd2 which has 3.14 rom?

That gives life...
yugoport said:
just to give you some insight, I have the same stock setup as is you, and I'm using darkstone sense v0.1 and its great, fast, stable and everything working very well.. you have to try it, don't forget to use an autoboot application to achieve a reasonable battery life..
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Hi, can you just explain the process (if anything spl with 3.14 rom and hspl4?)

theionxda said:
Is it possible to install android through SD card in hd2 which has 3.14 rom?
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Yes you can run Android from SD if you have a 3.14 ROM. It is the radio that is important really when running Android from SD. You will want to check the thread of the build you want to use to see if it is a radio version suggested by the dev of the build. The radio right radio can keep you from having robot voices and some other stuff too. Check below fow instructions on how to install.
theionxda said:
Hi, can you just explain the process (if anything spl with 3.14 rom and hspl4?)
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All you need to do is download the build of your choice and then unzip the contents of the zip file to a folder named Android. Some builds create a folder named Android and puts all file sin it when you unzip it so check and see if that is the case with the build you are going to use. Once you have the files extracted to the Android folder just copy the Android folder to the root of your SD card. Then use file explorer to navigate to the Android folder and open it. then touch on CLCAD first, this just enables the sound in Android but it will look like it did nothing, this is normal. Next touch on HARET and you will see a box pop up that says booting lenuix with a progress bar in it. Just let the build boot up from there, the first boot may take up to 5 to 10 minutes as it has to create a good bit of files for the Android. Also make sure to boot your Android build this way the first time then you can start using the a dual boot app. And make a backup of your SD card before you first boot Android so you can have a way to know what was on it before you used Android.
You do not have to have HSPL to run Android from SD card. And SPL has nothing to do with running Android from SD card.

Thank u T-Macgnolia and appreciate your reply. I will try this and publish here the result.

It worked.... tqsm
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HSPL and SPL confusion

So i have a few questions you guys could hopefully help me out with.
1. Is HSPL needed to install MAGDLR?
2. Is SPL something you install or come with the phone?
3. If you have a spl newer than what it supported how will you be able to flash a rom or run android from nand?
4. Is windows mobile device center needed to install HSPL when the phone is in bootloader or to update radio?
Thanks

miguel4u2 said:
So i have a few questions you guys could hopefully help me out with.
1. Is HSPL needed to install MAGDLR?
2. Is SPL something you install or come with the phone?
3. If you have a spl newer than what it supported how will you be able to flash a rom or run android from nand?
4. Is windows mobile device center needed to install HSPL when the phone is in bootloader or to update radio?
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1. Yes HSPL is needed to install MAGLARD (2.08)
2. Yes, SPL comes with the phone.
3. If your spl is higher than needed, download the 1.66 or 1.42 rom from htc and install it, your spl will automaticly get downgraded.
4. Yes

miguel4u2 said:
1. Is HSPL needed to install MAGDLR?
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Yes - you need HSPL3, which (confusingly enough) allows you to install HSPL 2.08
miguel4u2 said:
2. Is SPL something you install or come with the phone?
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SPL is already on your phone when you 1st get it. It's what boots the OS.
miguel4u2 said:
3. If you have a spl newer than what it supported how will you be able to flash a rom or run android from nand?
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If you want to flash anything custom then you need HSPL. If you have a later version of SPL on your phone then you need to get an official ROM from the HTC site (or here, if you can find the correct version for your carrier) and install that from the SD card, using the bootloader. There's plenty of threads on here that can instruct you on how to do that. That will downgrade your SPL version to something suitable that will allow you to install HSPL 2.08 over it.
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4. Is windows mobile device center needed to install HSPL when the phone is in bootloader or to update radio?
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WMDC is Vista or later. It was ActiveSync before that, but they basically handle communications with your phone in the same way. You need to use whichever of them is relevant when you first flash HSPL on your phone. Other flashes (ROMs and radios can be done from the SD card, as discussed in question 3 above.)
I hope this helps mate. There's a lot to pick up but you're at least asking questions that suggest you've done some reading beforehand. That always goes down well on this forum
Just keep reading, but feel free to ask if you can't find answers anywhere.
Good luck

johncmolyneux said:
Yes - you need HSPL3, which (confusingly enough) allows you to install HSPL 2.08
SPL is already on your phone when you 1st get it. It's what boots the OS.
If you want to flash anything custom then you need HSPL. If you have a later version of SPL on your phone then you need to get an official ROM from the HTC site (or here, if you can find the correct version for your carrier) and install that from the SD card, using the bootloader. There's plenty of threads on here that can instruct you on how to do that. That will downgrade your SPL version to something suitable that will allow you to install HSPL 2.08 over it.
WMDC is Vista or later. It was ActiveSync before that, but they basically handle communications with your phone in the same way. You need to use whichever of them is relevant when you first flash HSPL on your phone. Other flashes (ROMs and radios can be done from the SD card, as discussed in question 3 above.)
I hope this helps mate. There's a lot to pick up but you're at least asking questions that suggest you've done some reading beforehand. That always goes down well on this forum
Just keep reading, but feel free to ask if you can't find answers anywhere.
Good luck
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didn't you just answer what I said ? lol

yz.hd said:
didn't you just answer what I said ? lol
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Yes mate - we were typing at the same time. I'm drunk so it took longer

Thanks so much guys, i really appreciate the help!

hi
i have a little question:can i run android from sd card without HSPL?
i mean i have spl 3.03 on my HD2 and i want runing android from my sd card whitout HSPL my device.
ROM:3.14 radio:2.15.50.14 spl:3.03

Flash official rom from 3.14 to 1.72

Hi , ?
i have an hd2 branded to orange FR (rom 3.14 and spl 3.03) but it's unlocked (by a friend)
my question is , i have this file RUU_Lerange_FR-B2B_1.72.73.3_radio_15.32.50.07U_2.07.51.22_2_Signed_LEO_Ship (1).exe , how can i install that ? i want to put windows phone 7 so i need Hspl that don't work with my spl , so how can a install that rom ?

You must downgrade your Rom to a Rom with an SPL 2.10 or lower in order to install HardSPL 2.08. Try to find a 1.48, 1.66 or 1.72 Rom from your carrier and flash via micro SD Card to downgrade the Rom and SPL, then install HardSPL 2.08 and flash a new Radio to meet the requirements for flashing Magldr.
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Quote from this thread, highly recommendable for you anyway - the procedure for WP7 is the same like Android NAND.
How to flash via SD card can be found here.
And please use the search function in the future.

tictac0566 said:
Quote from this thread, highly recommendable for you anyway - the procedure for WP7 is the same like Android NAND.
How to flash via SD card can be found here.
And please use the search function in the future.
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but for this sd method i have to have Hspl ? or i can flash now ?
thanks

No need for HSPL to flash the older Orange ROM onto your device via SD card. Just follow the tutorial step by step.
The process will replace the newer SPL with the older version, then you will be ready to flash 2.08.HSPL, the correct Radio ROM 2.15.50.04, and finally MAGLDR before going to WP7.
All information you need is available in the links I put in my first answer.

phone into bootloader
connect usb
wait for serial to change to usb
run the .exe

Have a few Questions!

might sound a daft question, even.though most procedures to.install wp7 seem to be the same but explained differently, just would like to know which one u found easier? basically im after a very basic noobs guide!.hope someone can assist.i havnt flashed the hd2yet, ive been on many websites some with video tutorials.
i want to do it, but i dont want to screw it up..ive got a tmobile branded hd2 running 3.14 offical Rom. i know i need hspl 4 and 2.08.

Well, if you´re not familiar with flashing, it´s perfectly ok to be careful.
Installing WP7 on HD2 is really simple.
I suggest you download one of the newest builds out there (from May, those include the NoDo update).
Before installing it, you must prepare your HD2:
1) Using HSPL4, install HSPL version 2.08.HSPL
2) If not on your HD2, install Radio ROM 2.15.50.xx
3) Install MAGLDR 1.13
Now, you can go into MAGLDR bootscreen, select "USB flash", connect to the PC, and flash the ROM you downloaded.
That´s about it.
To return to WinMo, if wanted, just flash your stock ROM with the SD card method, everything will be put back to factory settings.

Wow , thats excellant mate..much appreciated ..

5) Install Zune
6) Install WP7 SDK
7) Install XAP's
i presume Zune is required to transfer data files ie music&video, are the other two steps neccesary? what do they do..? been reading other post about these but i cant seem to understand sorry

all sorted thanks