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Method of flashing?

Which is the best way to flash the Leo now?
Some chefs recommend flashing back to an original rom then to a custom.
Now we have a working HSPL, until now Bepe's custom RUU was used for flashing just the OS part (and this util is still part of the Rom's on here). Do we now no longer use this and use UDK's customRUU instead?
It just seems that when I flash one custom rom over another and one over that one etc etc, I always end up with strange rom results :-/

jonboyuk said:
It just seems that when I flash one custom rom over another and one over that one etc etc, I always end up with strange rom results :-/
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I would of thought that problems with ROMS are due more to them all being new and the chefs trying to iron out the bugs....I ended up going through most of the roms available on the site until I found one that worked for me.
The only time I install an official rom is if I have problems booting and am not able to get activesync working otherwise I just go straight over the top of whatever rom is on my device and then hard reset before booting up for the first time.

Awesome! Good advice, thank you!

Ok, just to piggyback on this. As a first time flasher (without the HD2 as yet), have i got this correct:
a) Install HSPL so I can install 1.48 or 1.61 onto my 1.43 device without goldcard by placing the HTC Rom on a FAT16 microsd card as leoimg.nbh? Then should i want to do that again I will have to re-install hspl?
b) For cooked roms, install HSPL, then use SSPL to install cooked rom. Should it all go wrong I can then put back my stock 1.61 ROM onto a sd card and voila back to work without goldcard?

chris_ah1 said:
Ok, just to piggyback on this. As a first time flasher (without the HD2 as yet), have i got this correct:
a) Install HSPL so I can install 1.48 or 1.61 onto my 1.43 device without goldcard by placing the HTC Rom on a FAT16 microsd card as leoimg.nbh? Then should i want to do that again I will have to re-install hspl?
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I believe that the micro sd card should be formated FAT32. Just remember that when you flash an offical ROM, it will also remove the HSPL so you will need to reinstall it.
chris_ah1 said:
b) For cooked roms, install HSPL, then use SSPL to install cooked rom. Should it all go wrong I can then put back my stock 1.61 ROM onto a sd card and voila back to work without goldcard?
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I only use SSPL, but I've got a Goldcard in case of problems.....just follow the guides and without the goldcard, it's a good idea to make sure that HSPL is installed so you've got a way to revert back if you have any problems. Hope that explains it a bit better

Yep, that's precisely what I thought. thanks for confirming it.
I understand that some regulars are getting irritated by general newbie questions but sometimes it is good just to confirm and understanding of how it all works before hosing a device and then asking stupid qs on how to fix rather than posting how great a new ROM is
sadly I'm a bit too lazy to do the goldcard thing. But I might get one done for safety.

chris_ah1 said:
Ok, just to piggyback on this. As a first time flasher (without the HD2 as yet), have i got this correct:
a) Install HSPL so I can install 1.48 or 1.61 onto my 1.43 device without goldcard by placing the HTC Rom on a FAT16 microsd card as leoimg.nbh? Then should i want to do that again I will have to re-install hspl?
b) For cooked roms, install HSPL, then use SSPL to install cooked rom. Should it all go wrong I can then put back my stock 1.61 ROM onto a sd card and voila back to work without goldcard?
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You do not need any sspl to install a cooked rom when you've hspl'ed your leo.
You can revert back to the original spl by using the sd card method with a stock rom.

chris_ah1 said:
Yep, that's precisely what I thought. thanks for confirming it.
I understand that some regulars are getting irritated by general newbie questions but sometimes it is good just to confirm and understanding of how it all works before hosing a device and then asking stupid qs on how to fix rather than posting how great a new ROM is
sadly I'm a bit too lazy to do the goldcard thing. But I might get one done for safety.
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too bad you got the wrong answer. there is no need for sspl or goldcard after you use HSPL. with that you can install official and custom roms. you don't have to install hspl again. just the once. UNLESS you install a official ROM with the SD card method. that will overwrite HSPL with the original (locked) SPL. you can flash a original ROM over usb. this will leave the hspl intact.

Svenvdmeer said:
too bad you got the wrong answer. there is no need for sspl or goldcard after you use HSPL. with that you can install official and custom roms. you don't have to install hspl again. just the once. UNLESS you install a official ROM with the SD card method. that will overwrite HSPL with the original (locked) SPL. you can flash a original ROM over usb. this will leave the hspl intact.
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Am i bad, just trying to help. Still all they were after was some reassurence they wouldn't brick there device and what i said was at worst long winded.
Didn't see anyone else rushing to help.

So are we supposed to use UDK's RUU utility to flash now?

Svenvdmeer said:
too bad you got the wrong answer. there is no need for sspl or goldcard after you use HSPL. with that you can install official and custom roms. you don't have to install hspl again. just the once. UNLESS you install a official ROM with the SD card method. that will overwrite HSPL with the original (locked) SPL. you can flash a original ROM over usb. this will leave the hspl intact.
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So no cooked ROM will over-write HSPL?
ah, good. I just saw some ROm page (i think Xannytech) which said use only SSPL.
I dunno - it's all a bit technical for a first timer. perhaps i should stick to official updates and CABs for now.

Hopefully someone can put down some clear methods/ways for the new people, as there seems to be a lot of conflicting ideas (or maybe i'm imagining it).
I just tried flashing stock 1.61 to my 1.48 Leo, (after installing HSPL, which seemed to install fine).
I done a bad flash though (for whatever reason) as the phone just went in to perpetual rebooting after the update utility completed. Just managed to get it started by reflashing 1.48 back on to it.

Well here is the issue Hskalay:
You are meant to be able to uninstall HSPL...but some say that flashing a stock rom does not uninstall it.
Some say that cooked roms include SPL.nbh and that it will overwrite HSPL. In fact some rom cookers have said in their posts to only use SSPL and not sd flashing via leoimg.nbh and HSPL. However others say that cooked ROMS do not (and should not) overwrite the HSPL.
From what I have gathered without clear consensus is that as long as HSPL is on the device, ANY rom can be installed from the sd card - cooked or official. Without HSPL you NEEDED goldcard. With HSPL you can still use goldcard but it isnt essential, as long as HSPL works and boots.
From what I have read, it appears that HSPL is a bootloader like GRUB or windows boot loader or LILO. The difference from SSPL is that HSPL gets written to the boot sector, and SSPL is a temporary fix as if you installed GRUB/LILO to your linux system partition and had the stock bootloader in the boot sector point to it to boot.
Goldcard: you dont need a working bootloader (Bepe's HSPL or stock), you dont need a working ROM.
HSPL: you need a working bootloader (i.e HSPL of course), you dont need a working ROM.
SSPL: you need working rom, and working bootloader.
If you ever over-write your Bepe HSPL you will need to put it back on. hence it is not a once only deal. However, it appears as said that it is not over-written.

Thanks for your reply Chris.
With HSPL - Do the rom HAVE to be installed via the SD card? Or can they be launch and installed from the PC (via USB). ie install HSPL to the phone, and then running the standard update program for say, 1.48 to 1.61 (which needed goldcard previously if I am correct).

Right just tested everything out this morning. Installed HSPL.
Can run installs either using CustomRUU or SSPLRUU tools either leaving the phone in active sync or in the boot loader menu by holding down Vol Down key.
To install new Radio ROM just use CustomRUU as this won't wipe your device
and just install the radio. There is a tread with all the Radio only roms here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611787
Also wiped HSPL by installing original O2 ROM and this did clear the HSPL. To install original ROM, just copy the nbh to the device, rename it to LEOIMG.nbh and then reboot into the Bootloader and it will then reinstall the rom. Just to let you know I got some wiered error when doing this and it restarted the update and then completed. Hope this helps
It's been said that at the moment you shouldn't install custom ROMs by copying the nbh files to your memory card.
Update:
To reinstall HSPL again after flashing original ROM, I had to remove my memory card or it would not work.

Leo cooked ROM upgrade after 1.66

hey guys,
I upgraded my rom to the official 1.66 rom from htc website. after that I could not flash any cooked rom like miri or anything. is there a technical problem i couldn't understand ??
please help!
thanks.

after flashing an official rom your HSPL is gone
re HSPL your phone
look in bootloader it should read
SPL-1.42.HSPL XE
look here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611433

If I flash my HD2 with an official ROM after using a cooked ROM it doesn't get rid of HSPL

EddyOS said:
If I flash my HD2 with an official ROM after using a cooked ROM it doesn't get rid of HSPL
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the hspl guide says:
4) Uninstallation
Only way to remove the HSPL is to flash an original SPL from SD card.
- Take any "RUU_signed.nbh" from a ship ROM and copy it to SD card.
- Rename it to "leoimg.nbh"
- Reset the device while pressing the volume down button.
if an officialrom is flashed using the SDcard method hspl is gone.
check bootloader if the HSPL is still there. that is what i said above.

I know that, I'm just replying to the post above it saying flashing a stock ROM gets rid of HSPL. I do all my updating via WMDC, SD card method doesn't work for me

I tried using the hspl back again but it says it only works if the bootloader screen says it is 1.42. the thing now is that the bootloader says 1.66 and thus the hspl that is posted in this forum is not working. any help ??
thanks.

saziz77 said:
I tried using the hspl back again but it says it only works if the bootloader screen says it is 1.42. the thing now is that the bootloader says 1.66 and thus the hspl that is posted in this forum is not working. any help ??
thanks.
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your answer is in the first post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611433

HSPL3 AND ROMS 3.14.831.3 Radio 15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14

i read on some topics that hspl doesn't go well with stock roms 3.14 for example there is a 50mb program memory limit (is it ram or storage limit?), i wanted to get more advice on the matter because i read many opposite info about hspl on the forum, is it safe to use hspl3 to flash 3.14 stock roms? in particular this rom: RUU_Leo_S_HKCSL_WWE_3.14.831.3_Radio_15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14_LEO_S_Ship this was released in december

What a coincidence, I was about to ask the same question, although I'm only using HSPL2.
So, is it ok to install a 3.14 stock ROM with HSPL2/3 still installed? Or do we have to flash back the original SPL first?

Remove HSPL, then if allowed you can install 3.14 ROM. If you are not allowed this ROM, then you need to use the GoldCard method, then install the 3.14 ROM.
Installing 3.14 ROM when HSPL is installed will make you phone prone to be unstable and have have a major reduction in RAM - So don't do it.

Ok thanks for the info fred_up. One other question, after I put the original SPL back, can I flash stock 3.14 over the USB cable? I did that with 1.43 -> 1.66, so I', assuming I can still do that?

ram loss is possible with hspl3 flashing rom 3.14! i had more free ram on my x1
can anyone confirm if the only solutions are the goldcard or flashing the rom for which your device is made??

AinsCrowbar said:
Ok thanks for the info fred_up. One other question, after I put the original SPL back, can I flash stock 3.14 over the USB cable? I did that with 1.43 -> 1.66, so I', assuming I can still do that?
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If you downloaded the 3.14 ROM from HTC with your phone's serial number, then HTC are saying that you are entitled to upgrade to that ROM.

solai said:
ram loss is possible with hspl3 flashing rom 3.14! i had more free ram on my x1
can anyone confirm if the only solutions are the goldcard or flashing the rom for which your device is made??
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At this moment, if you are not entitled to flash the 3.14 ROM, then the only option is to GoldCard before flashing the 3.14 ROM - remembering to remove HSPL first. Your other options are to run the latest ROM from your Operator or run a custom ROM that isn't based upon the 3.14 ROM.

Is it OK to install a stock 3.14 ROM optop of HSPL via SDCard? Won't this erase HSPL?

can you confirm that using a goldcard automatically erases hspl? i think yes

novaci said:
Is it OK to install a stock 3.14 ROM optop of HSPL via SDCard? Won't this erase HSPL?
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yes it will erase hspl but becareful because if the rom is not the correct one for your device it will still fail to install BUT hspl will have allowed the spl to update to 3.03.0000 andyou will get exclamation mark screen and phone won't boot. in this case you will only get it working again by flashing an older correct stock rom.
solai said:
can you confirm that using a goldcard automatically erases hspl? i think yes
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yes, because the spl is updated to 3.03.0000 and
it can only do that by overwriting the spl, and hence hspl is gone.

use sspl

sspl is only any use if you already have a working 3.14 rom on your phone with spl 3.03.0000.
you cant run 3.14 on any other spl, not just hspl, so whilst SSPL would flash the 3.14 rom (for example from a current 1.66 rom) it would still have the memory issue because the spl would return to 1.66.0000 after the first restart, and the memory glitch would be there.

samsamuel said:
yes it will erase hspl but becareful because if the rom is not the correct one for your device it will still fail to install BUT hspl will have allowed the spl to update to 3.03.0000 andyou will get exclamation mark screen and phone won't boot. in this case you will only get it working again by flashing an older correct stock rom.
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I downloaded the ROM straight off HTC's site with my own s/n so it worked out OK. I'm just taking the phone out for warranty repairs and I wanted to make sure I'm getting the correct SPL when I install the latest official ROM on the phone. Thanks!

HSPL and SPL confusion

So i have a few questions you guys could hopefully help me out with.
1. Is HSPL needed to install MAGDLR?
2. Is SPL something you install or come with the phone?
3. If you have a spl newer than what it supported how will you be able to flash a rom or run android from nand?
4. Is windows mobile device center needed to install HSPL when the phone is in bootloader or to update radio?
Thanks

miguel4u2 said:
So i have a few questions you guys could hopefully help me out with.
1. Is HSPL needed to install MAGDLR?
2. Is SPL something you install or come with the phone?
3. If you have a spl newer than what it supported how will you be able to flash a rom or run android from nand?
4. Is windows mobile device center needed to install HSPL when the phone is in bootloader or to update radio?
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1. Yes HSPL is needed to install MAGLARD (2.08)
2. Yes, SPL comes with the phone.
3. If your spl is higher than needed, download the 1.66 or 1.42 rom from htc and install it, your spl will automaticly get downgraded.
4. Yes

miguel4u2 said:
1. Is HSPL needed to install MAGDLR?
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Yes - you need HSPL3, which (confusingly enough) allows you to install HSPL 2.08
miguel4u2 said:
2. Is SPL something you install or come with the phone?
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SPL is already on your phone when you 1st get it. It's what boots the OS.
miguel4u2 said:
3. If you have a spl newer than what it supported how will you be able to flash a rom or run android from nand?
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If you want to flash anything custom then you need HSPL. If you have a later version of SPL on your phone then you need to get an official ROM from the HTC site (or here, if you can find the correct version for your carrier) and install that from the SD card, using the bootloader. There's plenty of threads on here that can instruct you on how to do that. That will downgrade your SPL version to something suitable that will allow you to install HSPL 2.08 over it.
miguel4u2 said:
4. Is windows mobile device center needed to install HSPL when the phone is in bootloader or to update radio?
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WMDC is Vista or later. It was ActiveSync before that, but they basically handle communications with your phone in the same way. You need to use whichever of them is relevant when you first flash HSPL on your phone. Other flashes (ROMs and radios can be done from the SD card, as discussed in question 3 above.)
I hope this helps mate. There's a lot to pick up but you're at least asking questions that suggest you've done some reading beforehand. That always goes down well on this forum
Just keep reading, but feel free to ask if you can't find answers anywhere.
Good luck

johncmolyneux said:
Yes - you need HSPL3, which (confusingly enough) allows you to install HSPL 2.08
SPL is already on your phone when you 1st get it. It's what boots the OS.
If you want to flash anything custom then you need HSPL. If you have a later version of SPL on your phone then you need to get an official ROM from the HTC site (or here, if you can find the correct version for your carrier) and install that from the SD card, using the bootloader. There's plenty of threads on here that can instruct you on how to do that. That will downgrade your SPL version to something suitable that will allow you to install HSPL 2.08 over it.
WMDC is Vista or later. It was ActiveSync before that, but they basically handle communications with your phone in the same way. You need to use whichever of them is relevant when you first flash HSPL on your phone. Other flashes (ROMs and radios can be done from the SD card, as discussed in question 3 above.)
I hope this helps mate. There's a lot to pick up but you're at least asking questions that suggest you've done some reading beforehand. That always goes down well on this forum
Just keep reading, but feel free to ask if you can't find answers anywhere.
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didn't you just answer what I said ? lol

yz.hd said:
didn't you just answer what I said ? lol
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Yes mate - we were typing at the same time. I'm drunk so it took longer

Thanks so much guys, i really appreciate the help!

hi
i have a little question:can i run android from sd card without HSPL?
i mean i have spl 3.03 on my HD2 and i want runing android from my sd card whitout HSPL my device.
ROM:3.14 radio:2.15.50.14 spl:3.03

Need some help

I have HD2 with windows mobile 6.5, ROM version 3.14 and radio 2.15.
I am looking to install Android on my HD2. Can someone please advise on following -
1. If I install Android, can I revert back to Windows at a later stage? If yes, would that be possible by simply installing the Windows ROM ?
2. Is NAND install, an installation on memory card? If yes, what is the other type of install ?
3. Can someone point to the latest stable version of Android build that I can install ?
Thanks and please let me know if you need more details.

try this link, it might help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25781675#post25781675
1.yes
2. nand is in nand & SD is in SD errrrrrr
3. None Exist Yet, otherwise let me now too

mengfei said:
try this link, it might help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25781675#post25781675
1.yes
2. nand is in nand & SD is in SD errrrrrr
3. None Exist Yet, otherwise let me now too
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Thanks...Its a very useful tutorial.
To revert back to original WinMo 6.5 or to uninstall HSPL, can I just connect the phone to PC and run the packaged installer I downloaded from HTC site ?
Also, the tutorial mentions HSPL1, I have read elsewhere on this site to use HSPL4 for 6.5 ROMs and HSPL 3 for Android or WP7. Is that correct ?
I am still new and havent installed any custom ROM or Android on the phone yet, so apologies for any naive questions.
Finding 6.5 too restrictive and looking to upgrade to Android or WP7 on my HD2.

metal675 said:
To revert back to original WinMo 6.5 *************** can I just connect the phone to PC and run the packaged installer I downloaded from HTC site ?
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yes
metal675 said:
To ******************************** uninstall HSPL, can I just connect the phone to PC and run the packaged installer I downloaded from HTC site ?
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no
flashing stock from usb will reset everything EXCEPT it wont remove HSPL, , that's the whole original point of hspl, to allow flashing without itself being removed.
To remove hspl you could either flash the same stock rom but using the sd card method, OR just use the hspl program again, but this time select an spl that ends .0000 and not .hspl
So, example, , your spl is 3.03.0000, , you use hspl4.exe to set 2.08.hspl so that you can run magldr/android/wp7, , later you want to return to stock 3.14 so you flash the 3.14 rom over USB, and then run hspl4.exe again but choose 3.03.0000

samsamuel said:
yes
no
flashing stock from usb will reset everything EXCEPT it wont remove HSPL, , that's the whole original point of hspl, to allow flashing without itself being removed.
To remove hspl you could either flash the same stock rom but using the sd card method, OR just use the hspl program again, but this time select an spl that ends .0000 and not .hspl
So, example, , your spl is 3.03.0000, , you use hspl4.exe to set 2.08.hspl so that you can run magldr/android/wp7, , later you want to return to stock 3.14 so you flash the 3.14 rom over USB, and then run hspl4.exe again but choose 3.03.0000
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Ah, now I see.
thanks for clarifying