The Sprint Nexus S 4G was found to infringe Apple's software patents on bounce back scrolling, and one-finger scroll/two-finger zoom (pinch to zoom). It was found not infringing on double tap to zoom. The regular Nexus S was not part of the case.
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Edit: user Camlee showed that the original GB NS4G does have the bounce back effect in the app drawer
I'm keeping mine and not giving apple $#!7
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Its not going to affect end users at all.
I don't have a nexus s 4g but I'm pretty sure the nexus s and s4g are exactly the same except the fact that s4g can support a 4g network correct? now if the s4g "infringes" on apples patents, how does the NS not? oh my god... It's funny, this whole apples vs samsung case is everywhere, atleast 100 threads on xda and I can't get enough of them.
My Nexus is still better than any Iphone out and any Iphone to come.
MRsf27 said:
I don't have a nexus s 4g but I'm pretty sure the nexus s and s4g are exactly the same except the fact that s4g can support a 4g network correct? now if the s4g "infringes" on apples patents, how does the NS not? oh my god... It's funny, this whole apples vs samsung case is everywhere, atleast 100 threads on xda and I can't get enough of them.
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You are correct that the network is different, but its not only 4g that's different. The 3g and 2g are cdma/evdo on the ns4g, but on the ns, its gsm/hspa. But definitely, it makes no sense that the ns4g is infringing and ns isn't.
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wait hold up- this phone was found guilty of infringing on apple's bounce-back scrolling patent? this phone? the one that came with gingerbread at launch? that ever since then has used the same "glow" animation specifically to avoid this problem?
apple show me where it does, you lying bastards.
How its looks nothing like apple. What are they trying to have a monopoly on smart phones? Or because it was a Google phone
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jeremy112683 said:
How its looks nothing like apple. What are they trying to have a monopoly on smart phones? Or because it was a Google phone
Probably both. Remember that before he died, Steve Jobs pledged EVERYTHING toward killing Android in any way possible.
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Who was on crack??
When judge Koh said apple's lawyer was on crack, she forgot that it was actually the jurors that were on crack. It was supposed to take them more than three days to go through all the questions, and they came up with the verdict quick. They even screwed up in the verdict awarding the damages the Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE infringing $219,694 but they didn't find it actually infringe anything.. What? Bunch of crackheads? The Nexus S 4G and the Nexus S (GSM) are the exact same models, except for CDMA with 4G vs GSM. Why is one infringing and not the other? More crackheads?
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012082510525390
Apple's ultimate target is not on Samsung, it's on the Android ecosystem Apple is seeing as a real threat.. Yep, Apple, you should be scared.
It does have bounce-back: youtube.com/watch?v=2_NoU3jYFMk
at 2:19
Not as prominently as the other phones, but it's there.
Huge win for Apple! Ouch!
Now what?
No more updates for these phones?
Interesting to see what happens next
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camlee said:
It does have bounce-back: youtube.com/watch?v=2_NoU3jYFMk
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Not as prominently as the other phones, but it's there.
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Thanks for showing this, I will update the op
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The case is a interest start of more to come. Its basically going to justify apple go after any smartphone that LOOKS like an iphone. Apple has been having lawsuits all over the world about this, but this time they won big in the U.S so now they are going to see how far they can go.
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The Nexus S 4G and the Nexus S (GSM) are the exact same models, except for CDMA with 4G vs GSM. Why is one infringing and not the other? More crackheads?
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012082510525390
Apple's ultimate target is not on Samsung, it's on the Android ecosystem Apple is seeing as a real threat.. Yep, Apple, you should be scared.
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I had been thinking about this myself - why the NS4G got slapped with a violation but not the original NS. There is no conceivable technical reason for this. Except one. Apple did not include it in the lawsuit. Why? Because the original Nexus S is NOT sold in the same places as the iPhone. Remember that of the big 4, only T-mobile does not have the iPhone. And who sells the original Nexus S? Yup. The NS4G is sold by Sprint, who also sells iPhones.
This is more evidence that this is nothing more than Apple trying to clear out competition, and has nothing to do with any actual intellectual property rights.
I would love to see this lowsuit between apple and motorolla.
I think the only reason apple won its becouse samsung is from korea.
Wonder what the outcome would be if the two parties were both from the states.
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^ the larger company would win, simple as that.
Motorola won against Microsoft, Xbox 360, Windows 7 and various other products infringe on Motorola's patents. Motorola asked to ban these products but Senators and other government authorities stepped in saying this would hurt the economy.
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It does have bounce-back: youtube.com/watch?v=2_NoU3jYFMk
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Not as prominently as the other phones, but it's there.
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well thats like bounce-back, but its not the bounce-back effect that apple has patented.
A computer-implemented method, comprising: at a device with a touch screen display: displaying a first portion of an electronic document; detecting a movement of an object on or near the touch screen display; in response to detecting the movement, translating the electronic document displayed on the touch screen display in a first direction to display a second portion of the electronic document, wherein the second portion is different from the first portion; in response to an edge of the electronic document being reached while translating the electronic document in the first direction while the object is still detected on or near the touch screen display: displaying an area beyond the edge of the document, and displaying a third portion of the electronic document, wherein the third portion is smaller than the first portion; and in response to detecting that the object is no longer on or near the touch screen display, translating the electronic document in a second direction until the area beyond the edge of the electronic document is no longer displayed to display a fourth portion of the electronic document, wherein the fourth portion is different from the first portion.
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as you can see, for the phone to infringe, it has to show another backrgound after the list is "stretched" beyond the edge. it does not.
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There is at least a possibility that the patent case will be decided against Samsung, so that products that are similar to the iphone, as decided by a judge who seems receptive to Apple arguments, may be removed from the market by Apple.
http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/handheld/samsung-prospects-dim-vs-apple-what-next/240005331
What do you think that would mean both for the Epic and for future Android phones?
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There is at least a possibility that the patent case will be decided against Samsung, so that products that are similar to the iphone, as decided by a judge who seems receptive to Apple arguments, may be removed from the market by Apple.
http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/handheld/samsung-prospects-dim-vs-apple-what-next/240005331
What do you think that would mean both for the Epic and for future Android phones?
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Not a damn thing
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What do you think that would mean both for the Epic and for future Android phones?
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First, a lot of Samsung fans will not switch to Apple, so Apple's profits won't benefit.
Second, if the impact is large enough, Samsung could face financial troubles, which will be passed on to the consumers, at least to some degree.
As a possible third result, Apple will realize that they are a part of that consumer base, when the iPhone components produced by Samsung suddenly become more expensive
This would probably cause iPhone prices to increase, ultimately resulting in Apple screwing themselves
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Not a damn thing
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This
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Apple can turn into a squirrel and come get deez nutz
So far the only impact it had was telling me that Epic 4g was the best selling postpaid samsung android phone of all time
Other then that, at worst Samsung is going to receive a fine. I don't think the courts plan to do any form of mass ban due to disruptions it might cause economically.
For one Apple has yet to actually prove damages.
I should clarify, my thoughts are what I consider to be the worst case scenario - the point was that, at worst, Apple will be hurting themselves more than Samsung or end users, because I don't know anyone that has ever said, "Well, they won that frivolous lawsuit, so their product must be better, right?"
Even if Apple succeeded in tanking every Android manufacturer (which will never happen, but if they did...), too many Android fans are also Apple haters - we'd go back to feature phones or older before we cross over to the iDark Side
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I have a feeling Samsung is going to lose this case. It looks like the judge is bias she scolds Sammy way more than apple!
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Killasmoke said:
I have a feeling Samsung is going to lose this case. It looks like the judge is bias she scolds Sammy way more than apple!
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Isn't this a jury trial? It is too early to tell because samsung has not had a chance to present their defense.
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Samsung just won a big win,
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/13/...al-galaxy-s-and-s-ii-galaxy-ace-from-lawsuit/
By excluding these, Apple has to redo their reference material that uses the international SGS models. This makes proving trade dress violation much harder for Apple.
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I have a feeling Samsung is going to lose this case. It looks like the judge is bias she scolds Sammy way more than apple!
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I heard apple makes Judge Koh's dildo.
According to USA Today, Samsung lost the vast majority of the substantial patent violation issues in the CA suit with damages of over $1B awarded to Crapple.
Unfortunately, it looks like Samsung is in pretty deep poo just about now. It won't affect OG Epic users, as we are using EOL hardware. But for those of us considering upgrades it might have some impact. I'm thinking long and hard about buying an SGS3 or any other Sammy product right now. They are going to be a mess for at least a year while all of this patent stuff gets worked out.
Anyone else have thoughts on what kind of impact this might have?
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According to USA Today, Samsung lost the vast majority of the substantial patent violation issues in the CA suit with damages of over $1B awarded to Crapple.
Unfortunately, it looks like Samsung is in pretty deep poo just about now. It won't affect OG Epic users, as we are using EOL hardware. But for those of us considering upgrades it might have some impact. I'm thinking long and hard about buying an SGS3 or any other Sammy product right now. They are going to be a mess for at least a year while all of this patent stuff gets worked out.
Anyone else have thoughts on what kind of impact this might have?
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I just want to get a Samsung Captive Glide, switch to Net10/Straight Talk, and call it a day. I have no idea what this means as far as downloading or updating apps or updating the system specs or whatever. But that's all I want until the NEXT powerful Android with a keyboard comes out.
Right now I just have the Epic 4G, and when I get $500 I'll get the Captivate Glide. I hope by then nothing hinky happens when I try to activate then unlock it.
The only effect it will have will be Apple's attempt to go after companies like Motorola & HTC. Pinch-to-Zoom is on every android device, I think and they will most likely use this victory to add fuel to their nuke android campaign.
There will be a lot of change to the android software and a lot of change android phone designs that are rectangular.
And last F*** Apple.
As bad as this could be for Samsung, look at it this way, they could come up with something more innovative than apple ever will. Maybe Samsung will be the first manufacturer to use mini-projectors in mobile devices and follow through with those plans. (And patent designs before release)
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jeffreyjicha said:
As bad as this could be for Samsung, look at it this way, they could come up with something more innovative than apple ever will. Maybe Samsung will be the first manufacturer to use mini-projectors in mobile devices and follow through with those plans. (And patent designs before release)
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Sammy already has a phone with a mini projector in the UK called Samsung Galaxy Beam http://m.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-beam-1090224/review
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czechpunk said:
Sammy already has a phone with a mini projector in the UK called Samsung Galaxy Beam http://m.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-beam-1090224/review
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Would ya look at that. Lol
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Well Samsung has been attacking apple for a while on purpose. Look at the adapter module for their chargers looks just like the iPhone Version. And the phone icon looks just like the iOS version. That's about it.No reason to sue its all about advancing technology. I think apple is just trying to get rid of competition. I love Samsung, I love iOS. But I think I'm loosing respect for apple as $1B is a slap in the face. Instead of tearing a company down by suing them. Apple could just make a phone 10X better and Then Samsung would do the same. It would be a continuous loop. That's competition. OH AND APPLE SAMSUUNG PHONES LOOK NOTHINHG LIKE YOUR SMALL 3.5" SCREEN DESIGN.
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BloatedDuck404 said:
Well Samsung has been attacking apple for a while on purpose. Look at the adapter module for their chargers looks just like the iPhone Version. And the phone icon looks just like the iOS version. That's about it.No reason to sue its all about advancing technology. I think apple is just trying to get rid of competition. I love Samsung, I love iOS. But I think I'm loosing respect for apple as $1B is a slap in the face. Instead of tearing a company down by suing them. Apple could just make a phone 10X better and Then Samsung would do the same. It would be a continuous loop. That's competition. OH AND APPLE SAMSUUNG PHONES LOOK NOTHINHG LIKE YOUR SMALL 3.5" SCREEN DESIGN.
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How much different can a phone icon look and still be recognized as a phone icon? Was apple the first company ever to make something rectangular with rounded edges? Were they the first to make a user interface with squares? How can they patent this stuff and sue over it? Its the most generic stuff. Ridiculous. And they sued their largest partner, who makes about 90% of the components in the iPhone/iPad. Apple seems to be done innovating. They take features from Android and then try to make them sound revolutionary. Then, they sue the companies actually innovating and make their products delayed or taken off shelves. The iPhone 1 was revolutionary and really made the smartphone market the way it is today (everyone has one, not just geeks or business people). But they haven't done anything since then. They've made the camera better, screen a bit better, and changed processor.
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Next thing we know they'll add something to the iPhone like a 4 inch screen and an LTE radio and sue over that
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Crapple is just scared because theyre riding this iphone garbage train as long as they can. Samsung will surely slam a future product in their faces. Lets face it, without steve jobs, the innovation is over for them.
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This 1000 times
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Samsung made 3.45 Billion in a quarter of 2012. Do you really think they can't handle a 1 billion dollar advertisement? This didn't kill them.
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Samsung made 3.45 Billion in a quarter of 2012. Do you really think they can't handle a 1 billion dollar advertisement? This didn't kill them.
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It seems to have pissed off alot of folks who used to like Apple and their stale, monotonous product line. I have three cohorts who converted to Android and Windows phones as a result of this lawsuit crap. And I can't wait till they announce the iPhone 5 and everyone sees what a big "nothing" it is. The iSheep are gonna look like kids who wake up Christmas morning to find a stocking full of coal...
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And I can't wait till they announce the iPhone 5 and everyone sees what a big "nothing" it is. The iSheep are gonna look like kids who wake up Christmas morning to find a stocking full of coal...
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Dont be silly. The iSheeple will look at that piece of coal and harp on how shiny a diamond they have. ROFL!
While it sucks they did lose, I do hope it doesn't result in a takedown of major phones. Samsung has been releasing some interesting stuff, and I really do want to hold out on getting a new one 'till they come out with a new slider. I can't imagine what I'd choose if Samsung's development was hindered because of this stupid ordeal.
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dont be silly. The isheeple will look at that piece of coal and harp on how shiny a diamond they have. Rofl!
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lolz! This ^^^
Well, their piece of coal is worth a diamond so...
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Recent news! Google strikes back!
Modoru said:
Recent news! Google strikes back!
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Google-rola
LOL.
What does the future hold for dear Sammy? Only time will tell i guess.
Apple have won there patent suit against samsung which is due to pay out $1.05 billion.
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What does this means for android?
A sad day in tech
A monopoly for apple in US?
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yor1001 said:
Apple have won there patent suit against samsung which is due to pay out $1.05 billion.
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What does this means for android?
A sad day in tech
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I would think it means almost nothing for android. As far as for Samsung it probably just means more money spent on appeals in court.
JMHO
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I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.
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I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.
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Take comfort in the fact that google wont let those features go without a fight
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bbeelzebub said:
I'm trying to figure out if this means licensing deals will be worked out now or if features will be stripped from products.
It would kind of suck if zooming on photos and multi-touch is now removed. Combine that with the universal search and I would think we'd all have grounds to get our money back for products not being what we paid for at the time of purchase. Hmmmm.
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Current devices will continue to have that functionality. They won't remove it from your product
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Hopefully Samsung wins on Appeal...
Apple suing to stifle competition is why I looked at Android.
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I think now one thing we can do is go to apple store if we encounter any issues with Galaxy Tab and Galaxy S phones and ask them to fix the damn issue. Let's see if they say that it's not an iPhone or ipad, tell them their bosses at Cupertino think otherwise
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I think now one thing we can do is go to apple store if we encounter any issues with Galaxy Tab and Galaxy S phones and ask them to fix the damn issue. Let's see if they say that it's not an iPhone or ipad, tell them their bosses at Cupertino think otherwise
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As ridiculous as that seems, I'd think it a good laugh if I saw a dude rock up in an apple store demanding help since the "stolen copied Apple-tech" has a problem.
I'm just glad most of these ridiculous patent wars are in the US only and the rest of us can still enjoy imports without too much hassle.
As far as the patents go, Apple would probably patent the fact that their devices use a battery if they could, its stifling competition to the detriment of all consumers. Competition is healthy and stimulates innovation
Thought this was funny
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/8/2...dollar-lawsuit-it-is-all-good-advertising-for
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Thought this was funny
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As someone who values an iOS device over Android I guess I'm going to have the unpopular opinion here. But Samsung released a document that told it's employees how they needed to copy the iPhone. I mean come on. Are people that fanboyish that they're just going to ignore this huge piece of evidence? It's literally a guide on how to best copy the iPhone. As someone who's used an iPhone since they came out, used a Galaxy S, Motorola XT860, Galaxy Tab, Galaxy Tab 10.1, HP TouchPad, HTC One S, and currently using a Galaxy S 3 until the new iPhone comes out, I can easily say that I can see how they would think they're copying features.
Looks like I'm not the only one that sees clear violation: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3267843/apple-vs-samsung-juror-speaks
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Every phone manufacturer does an extensive study on their competitors' products.
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Haha there are those rose coloured Android goggles. I've never seen a company break a product down and say "we need to copy these features" like Samsung did.
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Haha there are those rose coloured Android goggles. I've never seen a company break a product down and say "we need to copy these features" like Samsung did.
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Microsoft with Windows, also based on Apple designs. The problem is not the copying of designs (yes its unoriginal, its bad karma, we know) but instead the fact that Apple was able to patent such basic design ideas like a rectangular screen with rounded edges. That technically makes all touchscreen devices and laptop computers infringing devices. The patent office should not have allowed the patents to get approved in the first place. Even though App,e patented the idea, it doesn't mean they were the first to think of it.
Who should hold IP over an idea - the person or persons who thought of it first, or those who filled out the paperwork? Hell, even calculus was thought up by two people at the same time, without knowledge of the other.
Patents like this (if exercised when the devices first started appearing) can only inhibit technological advancement, as it removes competition. Competition fosters growth.
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Microsoft with Windows, also based on Apple designs. The problem is not the copying of designs (yes its unoriginal, its bad karma, we know) but instead the fact that Apple was able to patent such basic design ideas like a rectangular screen with rounded edges. That technically makes all touchscreen devices and laptop computers infringing devices. The patent office should not have allowed the patents to get approved in the first place. Even though App,e patented the idea, it doesn't mean they were the first to think of it.
Who should hold IP over an idea - the person or persons who thought of it first, or those who filled out the paperwork? Hell, even calculus was thought up by two people at the same time, without knowledge of the other.
Patents like this (if exercised when the devices first started appearing) can only inhibit technological advancement, as it removes competition. Competition fosters growth.
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Indeed! At to put perspective further, Apple even copied (Xerox) to get where they are. The game is not "who copied who", but rather who gets the patent first.
Apple is playing a dangerous game of "patenting" and sueing everyone. Making the competition unable to input basic idea in their products, I honeslty think it's a matter of time before Apple Gets sued by everyone they've copied over the years, and they copied a lot of people!
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As someone who values an iOS device over Android I guess I'm going to have the unpopular opinion here. But Samsung released a document that told it's employees how they needed to copy the iPhone. I mean come on. Are people that fanboyish that they're just going to ignore this huge piece of evidence? It's literally a guide on how to best copy the iPhone. As someone who's used an iPhone since they came out, used a Galaxy S, Motorola XT860, Galaxy Tab, Galaxy Tab 10.1, HP TouchPad, HTC One S, and currently using a Galaxy S 3 until the new iPhone comes out, I can easily say that I can see how they would think they're copying features.
Looks like I'm not the only one that sees clear violation: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3267843/apple-vs-samsung-juror-speaks
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Copying isn't the real issue, it's the patent office. For example one of the design patents Apple was granted was for a rectangle with rounded corners. I think that anyone that's used a tray in a cafeteria knows that this is a silly patent. Yet Samsung had to defend this in court.
The patent office has publicly stated that they are under budget and overwhelmed with patent applications and that they do little research on prior art these days. They have stated that the will grant patents and let the courts sort it out. This is their way of sending a political message to Washington for more money. What results are judgements like we saw last Friday.
I believe that Samsung took a calculated risk when they copied Apple's alleged patents. They were a distant second place in the phone market behind Apple and saw what was happening to RIM and Nokia. Copying Apple not only thrust Samsung into first place, by a wide margin, it netted them $6 billion. That's a good leverage on the $1B judgement.
In any event, Samsung is now the number one phone maker an the threat of these kinds of lawsuits in the future are minimal since the Samsung products are now superior and we find Apple copying Android.
Gotta wonder about the jury.
Does anyone buying a Samsung tab REALLY think they're buying an iPad?
I'm no Apple basher. Even though I've never used any of their products (other than an Airport Express for my WAP), I'm sure they make great products.
But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
Puuuuuuuleeeeeese!
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Gotta wonder about the jury.
Does anyone buying a Samsung tab REALLY think they're buying an iPad?
I'm no Apple basher. Even though I've never used any of their products (other than an Airport Express for my WAP), I'm sure they make great products.
But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
Puuuuuuuleeeeeese!
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Yes, the awards by the jury presumed EVERY Samsung phone purchased was a lost sale for Apple. My understanding is that this decision alone is grounds for appeal.
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But mistaking a Samsung, or any other, device for an Apple device?
Really?
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I've been saying this along, does Apple think its customer base is not smart enough to differentiate between Apple and Samsung products? "Oh NOOOOs I just bought a Samsung when I thought I was getting the iPhone!" The entire design patent is a joke, next lawsuit is against Applebees for using similar name and rectangle tables with rounded edges!
I'm not a fanboi, I just hate stupidity!
Sunday, September 2, 2012
Note 10.1 Owners & XDA Members:
First, let me introduce myself. My name is Ed and I am the owner of a small networking and integration firm in Louisville, KY. While I am extremely proficient in my profession, my interest in mobile devices is a personal one and really more of a hobby. The number of times I've been corrected by Entropy512 will confirm that.
Anyway, enough about me. What I was wanting to know is, am I the only one who feels like Apple is monitoring my spending habits and basing their lawsuits on them? I mean seriously... the only Samsung device I own that has yet to be added to an Apple complaint is my absolutely gorgeous Tab 7.7 (GT-P6810) and it's 7.7" 1280x800 Super AMOLED Plus awesomeness! My other devices include the original Galaxy Note (GT-N7000), a Galaxy S III (GT-I9300), and a Galaxy Note 10.1 (GT-N8013) that I literally just bought yesterday!! Now today I read that Apple has added all but one of my devices to their most recent complaint. I would really like to own a device without having to worry about whether or not it was going to lose features. Am I the only one who feels this way?
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Ed
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I don't feel like Apple is tracking spending habits, however every device listed is a very powerful (and popular) device. I've recently decided to pick up a GNote 10.1 over the TF700, and it feels like Apple is targeting anything popular that Samsung is rolling out. They really are trying to cripple the U.S market for Samsung, and It's really annoying.
iWay or no way I guess. I hope they get decimated with patent lawsuits.
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Yes. It's all your fault! :laugh: But there is a solution - buy some iPad so they will sue themselves.
Biohazard0289 said:
I don't feel like Apple is tracking spending habits, however every device listed is a very powerful (and popular) device. I've recently decided to pick up a GNote 10.1 over the TF700, and it feels like Apple is targeting anything popular that Samsung is rolling out. They really are trying to cripple the U.S market for Samsung, and It's really annoying.
iWay or no way I guess. I hope they get decimated with patent lawsuits.
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I get what you're saying. However, if you're gonna wish, you should probably wish for Apple to be annihilated, not decimated. To decimate is to reduce by 10%. I'd be happier with 90%. Apple was a very likeable company when they were on the verge of bankruptcy.
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well.
how to say ?
This is a blockage to creativity. And it is getting more ridiculous.
I mean, all of us also can see, where is the part which S3, N7000, and N8000 have copied from apple ?
On its first launch of Galaxy S i9000, yes, apple has the right to say that, since from the design, make-up and appearance, it is quite "similar".
I said "similar", not "same". Apple also claim that the gallery model on i9000 is copying their products, with a pinch method to zoom, etc.
Yes, apple may say like that for i9100.
But what right do they have to sue all samsung products ? Getting frustrated after Steve Jobs pass away ?
Especially on the N8000, I don't see anything similar on the iPad products.
From the looks, it is different alrd. Not to say about the S-Pen, Multiscreen, Pop-up play, floating keyboard, with the 3D surround speaker on the left and right side of the N8000.
I only see that apple is getting more and more ridiculous.
But...
How not to jealous with Samsung ?
Ever since from Samsung S2, Note 1, S3, Note 10.1,.... Samsung always can grab apple market.
With android as the open source, and a lot developer supporting android, how Apple can win market ?
In Singapore itself, the market for samsung has been grown eversince Galaxy S2. And one by one, ppl start to change from iPhone to Samsung.
Now you tell me, how not to jealous, in here, at least before Galaxy S come out, almost everyone here got an iPhone (I think arount 80% of the mobile market here was under Apple).
Once i9000 come out, ppl here still confuse to change or not, since i9000 is Samsung 1st debut to beat iPhone.
But after that, come out i9100, the market just suddenly boost up for Samsung here.
Up to now, only in around 2 years+, at least here, Samsung can grab at least 40 - 50% of iPhone market.
And now, with Galaxy Note 10.1" (with its all special features), don't u think if this device is very cool, it will grab the iPad market as well ?
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This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
BarryH_GEG said:
This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
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+1. Apple has handled this worse than microsofts attempt of monopoly back in the 90s. At least microsoft just sought to dominate the market and didnt attempt to go suing its competition into the ground. Anybody of sound economic mind sees nothing good coming out of these rediculous lawsuits. Samsung is the center off apples imperialistic crosshairs only because Samsung is the only android manufacturer that can compete with Apple. If HTC was where Samsung is then Apple would no doubt go after them. I will vote with my dollar and not buy Apple products. But there will always be isheep out there who will pay for an overpriced product just to have an iproduct.
My guess is that this will all end in a massive antitrust smackdown of Apple. When the devil overplays his hand there is always hell to pay.
Imagine Apple thinking they have a patent on the rectangular phone with rounded corners. Motorola was making phones lile that 25 years ago. Pathetic.
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mitchellvii said:
My guess is that this will all end in a massive antitrust smackdown of Apple. When the devil overplays his hand there is always hell to pay.
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In USA it won't. It is American company, they won't do that to their own against company from the other side of the ocean.
In Europe though it's more likely, but Apple doesn't have monopoly, so maybe not.
Magnesus said:
In USA it won't. It is American company, they won't do that to their own against company from the other side of the ocean.
In Europe though it's more likely, but Apple doesn't have monopoly, so maybe not.
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Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean people aren't watching you.
Mister_Mxyzptlk said:
Sunday, September 2, 2012
Note 10.1 Owners & XDA Members:
First, let me introduce myself. My name is Ed and I am the owner of a small networking and integration firm in Louisville, KY. While I am extremely proficient in my profession, my interest in mobile devices is a personal one and really more of a hobby. The number of times I've been corrected by Entropy512 will confirm that.
Anyway, enough about me. What I was wanting to know is, am I the only one who feels like Apple is monitoring my spending habits and basing their lawsuits on them? I mean seriously... the only Samsung device I own that has yet to be added to an Apple complaint is my absolutely gorgeous Tab 7.7 (GT-P6810) and it's 7.7" 1280x800 Super AMOLED Plus awesomeness! My other devices include the original Galaxy Note (GT-N7000), a Galaxy S III (GT-I9300), and a Galaxy Note 10.1 (GT-N8013) that I literally just bought yesterday!! Now today I read that Apple has added all but one of my devices to their most recent complaint. I would really like to own a device without having to worry about whether or not it was going to lose features. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Thanks,
Ed
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We are in The Matrix. Everything we do is being monitored.
toenail_flicker said:
We are in The Matrix. Everything we do is being monitored.
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You dont actually exist. You are just a virus i got responding to a Nigerian bank scam email
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We are in The Matrix. Everything we do is being monitored.
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And the real joke is on everyone who owns an iPad, iPhone and gets their music/apps via iTunes or the app store. Bruce Willis know... www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showb...-Apple-over-music-rights-after-his-death.html
Welcome to iWorld, new iPad mini and iPhone 5 owners!
BarryH_GEG said:
This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
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great article, i think these lines paint a pretty real picture of apple
"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go to thermonuclear war on this," Steve Jobs told his biographer, Walter Isaacson (Steve Jobs, page 512).
No wonder Apple and Samsung couldn't reach a settlement. This case is a rough replay of Apple suing Microsoft many years ago when Apple believed it was owner of the graphical user interface. In that case, it was well documented that both Steve Jobs and an Apple design team had visited Xerox PARC to see the first mouse-driven, graphical user interface available, then adopted its elements for the Macintosh. That case didn't get very far.
i LOLd hearing of how that first apple case didnt get very far
No matter what patent apple has for its products, I still believe that "general" technology is not suitable to be patented.
If technology is being patented generally, then, there would be no further invention.
And same thing goes for design.
If a product has been copied exactly the same, without any improvement at all, and you just put your own branding, then yes, I would agree that one is a violation to the copyright / patent. But if a copy has been improved with a lot of enhancement, I don't think it would be considered as a violation also.
I just couldn't believe a giant company like Apple would do such things, and forget that technology doesn't belong to 1 company only.
If Samsung has never started with its first Galaxy S (which according to apple is "copying" its iPhone), there won't be any improvement / invention so called as Phablet (N7000). No further invention like what we see at the N8000 as well, with its pop up play, real multitask with a multiscreen support, and no need to talk about tablet with smart-pen. Has apple done such improvement ? Other than its SIRI, which I believe before apple came out with it, others have known about this SIRI as well. Its so called as "Retina" display also come from where ?
Apple, you have grown up, but yet still act like a child ! Compete with your own innovation, let the consumer choose the technology, and let technology keep on improving !
BarryH_GEG said:
This is a great article.
Apple Worked A Broken Patent System
Apple used a dysfunctional U.S. patent system to gain excessive control over technologies it did not invent. If you value innovation, don't cheer Samsung's punishment.
Charles Babcock Editor At Large, InformationWeek
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/apple-worked-a-broken-patent-system/240006568
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Great article. Loved reading the comments section on it also. I'm really sick of Apple. The flawed patent system will be overhauled and many of apple patents will retracted as they should've never been issued in the first place.
I'm very interested in how the Motorola case against apple goes and this Samsung appeal.
I wonder how apple is feeling about MS jumping into the table game. If the surface does retail for the rumored $199, apple will have a heart attack..lol. apple is a household name BUT they aren't bigger than MICROSOFT. THEY don't have reach like MS does. It might take a collaboration of MS and Android to take down apple.
All I can say to Apple is you live by the sword you die by the sword.
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I had to jump in on this conversation with one question. What ever happened to the original develops of the GUI? I think it was Xerox. Why didn't they sue someone (Apple or Microsoft or both) for patent infringement back in the 80's? It might be a different world today if Xerox entered the PC market with its own interface.
They tried to years after the fact. The courts told them no dice.
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mitchellvii said:
All I can say to Apple is you live by the sword you die by the sword.
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how very true, anyone read the aticle about how Apple may be levied import bans against the newest iphone due to it's LTE system infringing on HTC's patents
parry, Riposte!
Two weeks ago, I became a freshman at Saint Peter's University and upon entering there I noticed 3 out of every 5 people I see own an Iphone. Okay, that's to be expected when simple minds have to follow trends to progress. I have classes 5 days a week and every single day it's apple this or Iphone that. Yesterday in my Principles of Marketing class we discussed brand name and influence a company has on it's consumers. While discussing this another Apple example is brought about.
My teacher said the people of Apple are innovators:what:? Then a girl in my class, she's an iphone fangirl btw said " Apple is changing the charger jack, so you'll have to buy new charger." My teacher inserted see that's innovation. We discussed the iphone 5 and most said they will get it and never explained why. The fangirl said she's getting to say she have iphone 5 and will give her little brother the 4s "BECAUSE IT HAVE THE SAME IOS THE IPHONE 5 HAVE:banghead::banghead::banghead:"
My wtf face when she said that:what::sly:
Now I ask, what is someone like me who love android to do in this Apple crazed school?
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Two weeks ago, I became a freshman at Saint Peter's University and upon entering there I noticed 3 out of every 5 people I see own an Iphone. Okay, that's to be expected when simple minds have to follow trends to progress. I have classes 5 days a week and every single day it's apple this or Iphone that. Yesterday in my Principles of Marketing class we discussed brand name and influence a company has on it's consumers. While discussing this another Apple example is brought about.
My teacher said the people of Apple are innovators:what:? Then a girl in my class, she's an iphone fangirl btw said " Apple is changing the charger jack, so you'll have to buy new charger." My teacher inserted see that's innovation. We discussed the iphone 5 and most said they will get it and never explained why. The fangirl said she's getting to say she have iphone 5 and will give her little brother the 4s "BECAUSE IT HAVE THE SAME IOS THE IPHONE 5 HAVE:banghead::banghead::banghead:"
My wtf face when she said that:what::sly:
Now I ask, what is someone like me who love android to do in this Apple crazed school?
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When they get their Iphone 5 get the GS3 then show them how it is done LOL then show them your Epic and show them you are running the same OS on your 2 year old phone as this brand new one LOL. then dare them to do that with Iphone 3
I could do it with my Epic now and show them some Android witchery that made steve jobs start his witch hunt lol
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I could do it with my Epic now and show them some Android witchery that made steve jobs start his witch hunt lol
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lol kind of my point. bring in a laptop and show them the various OS from SFR 1.0 to CM 10 LOL
I beginning to think this whole Apple worshipping thing is a cult, they worship a fruit and give all their hard earned possession for false knowledge hmm sound like a cult to me.
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Lol same thing at my school. And they all have the white one. Bandwagons
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When I as still at school I took one of the Apple stickers from my Shuffle and pit it on the back of my all black Dell Vostro, I would get all sorts of jealous looks that I had a black MBP and more than a few incredulous sneers/chuckles when they realized it was using a Dell. Great times
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InfDaMarvel said:
Lol same thing at my school. And they all have the white one. Bandwagons
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I see this at my high school. White iPhones...everywhere! BUT I also saw some White Samsung Galaxy S3's at my school
But why do teenagers need the latest smartphone? All we do is text, Facebook, Instagram, and calls.
TaviRawr said:
I see this at my high school. White iPhones...everywhere! BUT I also saw some White Samsung Galaxy S3's at my school
But why do teenagers need the latest smartphone? All we do is text, Facebook, Instagram, and calls.
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Because the Epic is considerably slow in comparison.
And if you have an upgrade, why not get the best of the best?
One word, Cash.
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Call everyone out?
"Why are you going to get the iphone 5? I will be getting the LG Viper because it will be the first phone to ship in the US with a quadcore Snapdragon S4 which is based on the A15 architecture, along with next gen Adreno 320 graphics (which will most likely be outdone when samsung releases the next Mali GPU which btw Apple uses in its iPad) also with a 720p IPS panel with a brightness of 600 nits(pulled that one out my butt). Apple hasn't made any inovations since the iPhone 4 when it released the first cellphone with an IPS display (only because its 960x580 pixels, compared to 1280x720 pixels on todays androids). Also, almost all new androids have been shipping with LTE (might have to explain what that is to the iSheep) since october of 2011, which btw is around the time apple released the 4s which only had a dualcore a9 proprietary chip built by samsung and dual core Mali400x2 with absolutely no type of 4g networking to be found on the inside."
Then proceed to say "apple might unveil something new with the iPhone 5 but it will only be new relative to the iPhone 4s. It will only be catching up to the rest of android, especially considering HTC has a 1080p (that's 1920x1080 pixels Class) screen in the works. Now, please tell me what exactly has apple innovated on? They've even been playing catch up to android in the OS department since iOS 5 (then show notifications from android 2.1 circa 2009-10)"
Omg I would slay those iSheep in your class rofl
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I think you meant the LG Eclipse. I have my eye on one too.
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Whether you go with the Galaxy S III or the upcoming LG Eclipse, both of those would be great phones for really showing of the power of android and iPhone alternatives. Both of these phones have some very impressive technologies in them especially compared to the iPhone who is falling behind. I don't know if you have been keeping up with any of the rumors or anything, but it looks like Apple still wont be implementing an NFC chip into their newest device, which will only throw them even farther behind for the future. There is also still the basis of how customizable android really is. Sure you can throw some new picture in the back round of your iPhone and you can change a few features here and there, but none of it compares to what you can do on other phone. You could walk in there everyday with a different ROM flashed and show them how you get exactly what you want. There doesn't have to be any settling or having the same thing as everyone else. We spend so much time on our phones these days, who wouldn't want their phone how they like it?
Ask them to explain how a new charging port is innovation. It isn't innovation is marketing. You change the port so you can sell a bunch of new accessories which consumers have to by in order to continue using the accessories they like on the new device. It's just a cash grab, not innovation.
You will never change them! What I have found is most apple worshipers and yes they are a cult, are very simple minded people. They want to be told how to use there product instead of having the freedom of doing what they want.
Your phone could do circles around there phone and they still don't care.
Anyways I don't think you will every win!
we are just a bunch of consumers and we should talk about technology in a non discrimation way without brand name....
teachers should not use brand name...
what you prefer the white or the green?
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My principles of Management teacher called the Samsung Galaxy S3, the " Samsung Gallery SD3" lmfao.
But, guess who was said to be Apple's top competitor ?
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Yea, as swiss said, your teachers shouldn't be using brand names and taking a side either way. My teachers are very careful about that. There are a number of kids with iPhones in my classes as well, and they all text the entire class. And every text message thread, on every phone, looks the same. Terrible.
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Call everyone out?
"Why are you going to get the iphone 5? I will be getting the LG Viper because it will be the first phone to ship in the US with a quadcore Snapdragon S4 which is based on the A15 architecture, along with next gen Adreno 320 graphics (which will most likely be outdone when samsung releases the next Mali GPU which btw Apple uses in its iPad) also with a 720p IPS panel with a brightness of 600 nits(pulled that one out my butt). Apple hasn't made any inovations since the iPhone 4 when it released the first cellphone with an IPS display (only because its 960x580 pixels, compared to 1280x720 pixels on todays androids). Also, almost all new androids have been shipping with LTE (might have to explain what that is to the iSheep) since october of 2011, which btw is around the time apple released the 4s which only had a dualcore a9 proprietary chip built by samsung and dual core Mali400x2 with absolutely no type of 4g networking to be found on the inside."
Then proceed to say "apple might unveil something new with the iPhone 5 but it will only be new relative to the iPhone 4s. It will only be catching up to the rest of android, especially considering HTC has a 1080p (that's 1920x1080 pixels Class) screen in the works. Now, please tell me what exactly has apple innovated on? They've even been playing catch up to android in the OS department since iOS 5 (then show notifications from android 2.1 circa 2009-10)"
Omg I would slay those iSheep in your class rofl
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Lg eclipse not viper btw. The viper is a dual core s3 that came out this year.
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Thought of this thread when I read this...