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It was a loop hole I'm sure hundreds of thousands of people exploited and cost T-Mobile millions but they were nice enough to take 2 and a half years to fix but for some reason people seem to think it was they're god given right to pay less then most and still get the same service. Anywho glad its over and if you were a good customer t-mobile are nice enough to give you a discount on a data plan
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It's not closed. Mine still works. It was a maintenance error.
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ha this has been a thing since back when the MDA came out & it went out then for a few days/weeks & then came back. People are cheap & will do anything to save $$$ each month. I'm happy with my $20/month service
people think they are entitied to stuff and as a result get pissed when forced to follow the rules.
I am not buying that maint issue either. They ran a query to see what is up and closed it, (if it was a maint issue, one would have ever seen the message stating your plan is incompatable with your device and you need to upgrade message) they then "fix" it for the customer who call in and complain and the rest just update their data plan as requested.
Eventually they are going to close that loophole and that's just too bad if you don't like it and as a consumer you can take your business elsewhere if you think you can get a better deal
I never had to call T-Mobile. I hadn't used the internet all day and when I did, I had no issues what so ever. Everything was fixed before I even noticed.
T-Mobile Web (Unlimited T-Zones) $5.99 Restoration
Maybe they will close it but I'm sure they will let me know before they cut it off so I can pick another plan. In the mean time, I'll just go on saving $14.00 every month.
I think you're just angry because you don't have T-Zones.
It's the principle of the thing. People are *****ing because something that have used for years, knowingly against the "rules"(or against what T-Mobile wants if you will) is finally getting closed off. I mean, I used to have SunCom, and got my unlimited data plan from them grandfathered in at 14.99 a month when they got bought by T-Mobile...but it would only allow me to get EDGE speeds. I was told upgront about T-Zones, but that if I switched to a "smart" phone(coming from SunCom with the Excalibur no less) I would have to upgrade to the "full" internet package at 20USD. I mean seriously, T-Zones is meant for feature phones. It's not there so that people "in the know" can proxy around the rules and get cheap internet, its so that people with non-smartphones(the poor souls) can just get online via a regular phone to do simple tasks...nothing super network intensive. The 20USD plan isn't just T-mobile getting more money out of you because they can, its because if you have a smartphone, you are more than likely streaming video or music, downloading programs, getting email...all that jazz, constantly, and it all uses bandwidth...which ain't free. And its MUCH more bandwidth than a dumbphone checking email or IM'ing uses. Anywho, thats my peice. Like it or leave it I don't really care.
I don't know what rules you're talking about. I bought my HD2 outright when it came out so I didn't have to change my plan. The T-Mobile clerk didn't tell me anything about having to change plans. Probably because I wasn't getting a subsidized phone requiring a new plan. If it makes you happy, if I upgrade to an Android phone on T-Mobile I will be required to upgrade to another data plan as soon as the system scans my IMEI number on the network. I'll bet they will have the same requirement for new WP7 phones when they come out. So in all likelihood I will be required to get a new data plan with my very next phone purchase, whether I buy the phone outright or not.
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I don't know what rules you're talking about. I bought my HD2 outright when it came out so I didn't have to change my plan. The T-Mobile clerk didn't tell me anything about having to change plans. Probably because I wasn't getting a subsidized phone requiring a new plan. If it makes you happy, if I upgrade to an Android phone on T-Mobile I will be required to upgrade to another data plan as soon as the system scans my IMEI number on the network. I'll bet they will have the same requirement for new WP7 phones when they come out. So in all likelihood I will be required to get a new data plan with my very next phone purchase, whether I buy the phone outright or not.
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might want to go brush up on t-mobile's terms and conditions.....they clearly state that certain internet plans are meant for certain phones....like I said if you don't like it, too bad you can go elsewhere if you think you can get a good deal. No reason to get all pissy about it. and yes you are ripping off t-mobile and you know it's wrong so you know what they say about karma.....
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might want to go brush up on t-mobile's terms and conditions.....they clearly state that certain internet plans are meant for certain phones....like I said if you don't like it, too bad you can go elsewhere if you think you can get a good deal. No reason to get all pissy about it. and yes you are ripping off t-mobile and you know it's wrong so you know what they say about karma.....
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The only person getting pissy about it is you. Go back and read what I wrote. If and when T-Mobile requires me to change my plan, they will let me know. If they aren't telling me I need to change, then I don't need to change. It's really not for you to decide what the rules are.
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The only person getting pissy about it is you. Go back and read what I wrote. If and when T-Mobile requires me to change my plan, they will let me know. If they aren't telling me I need to change, then I don't need to change. It's really not for you to decide what the rules are.
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Not for me to decide? Wake up grasshopper I don't make the rules Tmo does lol.........(amd btw I never said it was up to me nor did I imply it was) I just told you to go back and read what TMo's terms of use are and they do not include using a $5 and $10 plan on the HD2
Do you guys think that for even a moment that it was some maint issue? lol....keep dreaming....
Funny how those of us who are on the supported plans for the phone did not get the "Please upgrade your data plan" message even though we were on the network at the same time as all of you guys who got the message...
I think it's funny when you get all of the whiners in here saying OMG I can't getz Internetz on my HD2 using an unsupported planz anymorez....even though they knew they were in the wrong....
If you are grandfathered in on a specific unlimited plan, that's fine but you have no room to complain when you go buy a $10 plan and try to use it with a smart phone and you get smaked down like a redheaded step child.
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Not for me to decide? Wake up grasshopper I don't make the rules Tmo does lol.........(amd btw I never said it was up to me nor did I imply it was) I just told you to go back and read what TMo's terms of use are and they do not include using a $5 and $10 plan on the HD2
Do you guys think that for even a moment that it was some maint issue? lol....keep dreaming....
Funny how those of us who are on the supported plans for the phone did not get the "Please upgrade your data plan" message even though we were on the network at the same time as all of you guys who got the message...
I think it's funny when you get all of the whiners in here saying OMG I can't getz Internetz on my HD2 using an unsupported planz anymorez....even though they knew they were in the wrong....
If you are grandfathered in on a specific unlimited plan, that's fine but you have no room to complain when you go buy a $10 plan and try to use it with a smart phone and you get smaked down like a redheaded step child.
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Ah, I see now. You're just trolling.
Folks, I switched to the $20 plan yesterday after 4 days of almost solid outages. It would work occasionally, but mostly not.
One call to T-Mo the gal said there was a issue and they were working it, but when I called back later they said that there was a software change this weekend in order to cut off the access that we were using. I explained that I had the service for quite a while, back to when I bought my Dash, and she looked at my records and saw that I bought the HD2 as an upgrade and said my account had not been updated when I bought the phone and it was not eligable for T-Zones service, and wanted me to get the $30 service. I talked her into the $20 plan, and it seems to be working fine, although T-Zones doesn't show up on my plan online anymore neither does the $20 plan.
I suspect the rumor about the new CEO coming in and tidying up things is correct, and anyway, now mail works properly (SMTP outbound) and some other apps I have wanted to use as well.
Marc
tmo readz xda...
i have the $30 plan since April on my Leo, not gonna change cuz $10 isn't a big deal...
btw, no message sent to my toy.
Well ... yesterday I almost pulled a trigger and moved to $20 total internet package. And I'm glad I didnt, because TZones works again on my HD2. I know it is a loophole. And I WAS and WILL get pissed when they will close it.
Why ? In addition to be used to have it there are other things too
E.g. I'm on grandfathered plan with 600 shared minutes. I cannot move to 750 EM+ plan W/O a contract for the same price, because I will lose my TZones. I cannot add "kids free" lines to my account, because it is only for EM/EM+ plans. So I lose free extra line and 150 extra minutes a month just because I want to keep $5.99 TZones. Or I purchased my HD2 for full price (instead of 2 for $200 promo or 1 for $160 promo), because I'm not able to buy it subsidized from TMO w/o buying total internet and losing my $5.99 TZones.
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Ah, I see now. You're just trolling.
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Ah, I see you're just ignorant of the facts as they are lol
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Ah, I see you're just ignorant of the facts as they are lol
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No, that would be you. lol yourself.
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No, that would be you. lol yourself.
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lol gee I wish I was like 2 again so I could think of something cool like that to say lol.......
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lol gee I wish I was like 2 again so I could think of something cool like that to say lol.......
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Tell you what, you find where it says anywhere from T-Mobile that I need to have a different plan then T-zones for my HD2 and post a link to it and I'll admit you're right. You just saying it doesn't mean anything.
wasn't that hard to find
10. * Data Plans and Other Features. You will be charged for data usage on a pay per use basis unless you are required to maintain a data plan (“Data Plan”) as part of your Service, or as otherwise provided by your Rate Plan or prepaid data pass. Permissible and Prohibited Uses: Your Data Plan is intended for Web browsing, messaging, and similar activities on your Device and not on any other equipment. Unless explicitly permitted by your Data Plan, other uses, including for example, using your Device as a modem or tethering your Device to a personal computer or other hardware, are not permitted. Other examples of prohibited uses can be found in Section 17. Protective Measures: To provide a good experience for the majority of our customers and minimize capacity issues and degradation in network performance, we may take measures including temporarily reducing data throughput for a subset of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. If your total usage exceeds 5GB (amount is subject to change without notice; please check T-Mobile’s T&Cs on www.T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle. If you use your Data Plan in a manner that could interfere with other customers’ service, affect our ability to allocate network capacity among customers, or degrade service quality for other customers, we may suspend, terminate, or restrict your data session, or switch you to a more appropriate Data Plan. Downloadable Content and Applications: Content or Applications (e.g., downloadable or networked applications, wallpapers, ringtones, games, and productivity tools) (“Content & Apps”) that you can purchase with your Device may not be sold by T-Mobile. For some third party purchases, although the charges may appear on your T-Mobile bill, T-Mobile is not responsible for the Content & Apps, including download, installation, use, transmission failure, interruption, or delay, or any content or website you may be able to access through the Content & Apps. Any support questions for these Content & Apps may be directed to the third party seller. You may be able to restrict access and certain services by implementing controls available at www.T-Mobile.com or by calling T-Mobile. When you use, download or install Content & Apps sold by a third party seller, you may be subject to license terms between you and third parties. When you use, download, or install Content & Apps that you purchase from T-Mobile, the Content & Apps are licensed to you by T-Mobile and may be subject to additional license terms between you and third parties. Whether purchased from T-Mobile or a third party, any Content & Apps you purchase are licensed for personal, lawful, non-commercial use on your Device only. You may not transfer, copy, or reverse engineer any Content & Apps, or alter, disable or circumvent any digital rights management security features embedded in the Content & Apps. Content & Apps may not be transferable from one Device to another Device. Some Devices or Content & Apps may continue to have contact with our network without your knowledge which may result in additional Charges, for example, while roaming internationally. Software on your Device may automatically shut down or limit the use of Content & Apps or other features or Services without warning. T-Mobile is not responsible for any third party content, advertisements, or websites you may be able to access using your Device. Use of Information: T-Mobile may retain, use, and share information collected when you download, use, or install some Content & Apps, may update your Content & Apps remotely, or may disable or remove any Content & Apps at any time. Refer to T-Mobile’s Privacy Policy, as well as the Content & Apps creator/owner’s privacy policy for information regarding their use of information collected when you download, install, or use any third party Content & Apps. We are not responsible for any transmission failure, interruption, or delay related to Content & Apps, or any content or website you may be able to access through the Content & Apps. Wi-Fi Calling: You acknowledge and agree that your use of any Wi-Fi network is permissible and that you (and not T-Mobile) are responsible for your use. Cell Broadcasts (alerts that go to certain customers) and Wireless Priority Service (WPS) may not be available with Wi-Fi Calling.
The bolded section covers the part about being switched to an approperiate plan
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How does that apply to T-Zones on the HD2?
If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.
Link? Proof that this is happening?
We are allowed to use our devices as mobile hotspots, having root does nothing to circumvent paying for our bandwidth, this make no sense. Proof please...
I thought we could root our xooms and Motorola wouldn't trip....... or was i wrong?
I think it's a Shamockery!
Seriously though, where did you hear this?
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html#post65013
P3droid is a very well known dev. This all over and isn't fake
I don't see the Xoom specifically mentioned in that article at all. That being said, if there really is any truth behind this, I don't really see them going any further then AT&T did with the original iPhone when they found people tethering and then added the appropriate tethering package. It's shady, I agree, but I have a feeling on Android it would just turn into another cat and mouse game of hiding the fact you are rooted against whatever measures are put in place.
Yeah I hope android turns this around. And hides us.
Some dev might just come up with an apply that hides the status of rooted phones. It may sound like an easy idea but its extremely hard, though its not impossible.
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I think they should start working on it now
If I'm understanding this correctly, it's not about rooting the phones but rather about attempts to steal data service (via tethering without paying it). And whether anyone likes it or not, the carriers have a right to determine how their networks are used, including the right to say that tethering isn't allowed unless the required tethering plan is paid for.
I can't imagine the ability to sue Verizon or any other carrier for making it more difficult for users to violate the agreements they sign when they purchase services. Maybe one feels that locking the devices down is too broad a stroke, but then if that's the case come up with a viable alternative. Propose some other control to stop tethering on a rooted device.
Really, I'm amazed that people think the carriers are being "shady" by trying to protect their revenue streams (i.e., to protect their private property from unauthorized use), while users who try to get services without paying for them are, what, the good guys?
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You forgot the "Root and tether and not give VZW one mother****ing cent" option. Verizon is just plain evil.
I wonder how many attitudes will change when some of these pp are old enough to own their own businesses. I own a small business and if people can get over on you, people will get over on you. I see no problem with Verizon trying to protect their revenue. People need to realize that as a company, Verizon's number 1 loyalty is to it's stock holders not to it's customer. They provide a service and we buy it, or we choose to go elsewhere. I can't imagine VZW and the other providers doing this if they haven't noticed a hit to their bottom line.
Do I root my devices? Yep, both of them. Have I occasionally tethered to my DX? Yes I have, but I understand the risks and accept the responsibility. Once my Xoom gets LTE I'll buy the appropriate data plan for all my tethering needs.......
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If I'm understanding this correctly, it's not about rooting the phones but rather about attempts to steal data service (via tethering without paying it). And whether anyone likes it or not, the carriers have a right to determine how their networks are used, including the right to say that tethering isn't allowed unless the required tethering plan is paid for.
I can't imagine the ability to sue Verizon or any other carrier for making it more difficult for users to violate the agreements they sign when they purchase services. Maybe one feels that locking the devices down is too broad a stroke, but then if that's the case come up with a viable alternative. Propose some other control to stop tethering on a rooted device.
Really, I'm amazed that people think the carriers are being "shady" by trying to protect their revenue streams (i.e., to protect their private property from unauthorized use), while users who try to get services without paying for them are, what, the good guys?
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What really bothers me is that there really is no stealing involved. Tethering doesn't magically get you service: you have to pay for the service you're tethering through. What's worse, being an android device, the xoom doesn't really use significantly more data than my phone would anyways. The carriers are just mad because people are preventing them from charging an extra fee, not for more service, but for using a different device. In reality this Is no different than if two people were sharing a parking pass for a private lot. If both cars are never parked at the same time, the service rendered is the same, but the company loses out On the opportunity to get twice the cash. Am i taking advantage? Absolutely. Using a device in a way other than intended, yep. Is that morally wrong? I think of it more as growing pains for new technology. Charging me twice for a single service, that sounds more like stealing to me.
If I can pay a flat rate for an internet connection at home, use a wireless router and connect as many devices as I want, why can't the same pricing principle be applied to mobile data? If your isp tried to charge you by the COMPUTER rather than by the bandwidth, you'd be furious. My phone + data service costs more than my home internet, even though it is slower, and requires no rented equipment or installation, (The cost of towers is theoretically shared by all of the users in the area, and I actually OWN my phone, and buy new ones relatively frequently). I still remember when we paid for the internet by the HOUR.
I understand why the carriers want to crack down; it totally makes sense, but as long as the general public continues to pay what they charge, the prices will continue to be set by the carriers, and not by the actual costs. I would much rather that the pricing structure be reactive to the way these devices are being used, rather than proactively restrictive because they want you on a contract. I think it is a good thing in the long run for both the consumer and the carrier if mobile data sharing continues to be un-resrictable. I believe that if they would just charge for the bandwidth and not worry about how that data is used, they would actually increase the market share for high end mobile devices and speed up the process of tablets bridging the gap with PCs.
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yeah but a bit is a bit. why should they care(or being charge for)how i'm using my capped bandwidth? tethering isn't a service that they provide. its a feature of the device we are using.
It's like being charged for Water to your house. your paying for the service, and the amount of water you are using. Should you be charged again for each bathtub you have hooked up to your pipes? Or if i decide to use that water to water some flowers?
I don't get it, at least not in the context of the Xoom. Verizon's tablet data plans include tethering, so they are not losing revenue. Tethering is a built-in feature of Honeycomb and one need only go in to settings and turn on the wireless hotspot feature. No root, hacks, or tweaks are required.
Now smartphone data plans are a different story, but they have "unlimited" data.
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yeah but a bit is a bit. why should they care(or being charge for)how i'm using my capped bandwidth? tethering isn't a service that they provide. its a feature of the device we are using.
It's like being charged for Water to your house. your paying for the service, and the amount of water you are using. Should you be charged again for each bathtub you have hooked up to your pipes? Or if i decide to use that water to water some flowers?
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+1 on this.. Very good point! It's funny how some people looks at us like we're stealing from these provider, and that we're screwing them over. When in reality we the consumers are the one who's getting screwed over time and time and time again by these giant corporations. The only and real reason they don't want us to tether is because they want us to pay a separate data plan for our laptops on the go, which is crazy! It's like getting an internet service at home and getting charged for every single connection through your wifi! Crazy!
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First, it's Verizon's service, and thus their right to determine how their services are provided. Nobody has to buy from them. And the bottom line is: people agree to use their services a certain way when they sign their agreements. One may not like their terms, but that's life.
Second, the carriers need to determine how much data is going to be used and provision their services appropriately. Notebooks and tablets tethered to smartphones WILL use more data; that's obvious. Hence, the movement away from unlimited plans and toward metered plans. We're seeing all sorts of responses to the dramatic increases in mobile data use, and this is just one of them.
I think in 10 years things will be very, very different and these things will have shaken themselves out. We're just suffering from the effects of demand for mobile data pushing hard up against supply. In the meantime, nobody should expect the carriers to sit idly by while some people violate their agreements and necessarily cause dislocations in their systems--which inevitably results in poorer service to other users and headaches for the carriers.
Unlimited services are tricky. Drawing accurate pictures of them is even harder in this case because both sides have things leading up to the million dollar question that are either unreasonable, or just stupid. People get caught up on those things when the issue is something plainer.
Unlimited *cellular* data is allowed under a set of circumstances. Those circumstances are supposed to put up "soft" limits (how much the single device can consume) on data consumption. You can only consume so much data through a phone. You and your data plan is not something that entitles you to a data plan aura, in that any device you can link to the plan falls into that plan. Intuitively, everyone knows this is the case.
Maybe it should entitle you to that, especially if you use tethering reasonably. I would like to see a 500 MB--> 1GB allowance for free, especially if your "unlimited" data usage is below average or within a range the carriers set. The carriers have caused a lot of this themselves by biting off more data plans than their networks can chew, and charging ridiculous rates for tethering.
I can understand the frustration from both, but tethering away and being surprised when the carriers try to stop you from doing it is just funny.
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Unlimited services are tricky. Drawing accurate pictures of them is even harder in this case because both sides have things leading up to the million dollar question that are either unreasonable, or just stupid. People get caught up on those things when the issue is something plainer.
Unlimited *cellular* data is allowed under a set of circumstances. Those circumstances are supposed to put up "soft" limits (how much the single device can consume) on data consumption. You can only consume so much data through a phone. You and your data plan is not something that entitles you to a data plan aura, in that any device you can link to the plan falls into that plan. Intuitively, everyone knows this is the case.
Maybe it should entitle you to that, especially if you use tethering reasonably. I would like to see a 500 MB--> 1GB allowance for free, especially if your "unlimited" data usage is below average or within a range the carriers set. The carriers have caused a lot of this themselves by biting off more data plans than their networks can chew, and charging ridiculous rates for tethering.
I can understand the frustration from both, but tethering away and being surprised when the carriers try to stop you from doing it is just funny.
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Well said. Its why I pay for a small plan and use wireless everywhere I go. no real need to tether anyway.
I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?
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I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?
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Free tethering wasn't a feature you signed onto when you signed your contract. It was a nice little extra that Android provided which is clearly not what the carriers wanted and for which they now took away.
Did you see that Sprint just had a net loss of almost 850 million dollars... Despite a GAIN of 1 million subscribers. They have to do something lol.
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I was pissed about that as well, mostly because when I bought the phone the rep said it was a feature of the phone and since google was in charge of updates that sprint couldn't take it away. However, in another thread someone pointed out to me that tethering is an explicit violation of the terms of service agreement and the phone is subsidized by sprint so they are not really doing anything that you could sue them about. It is disappointing, but at least getting it back is easy through rooting.
Is this thread serious?
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the tethering app itself is there and still works, it does what the app is supposed to do. sprint how ever just disabled the connection on their end to accounts that dont have the add on........which is totally their right to do. while the app comes with the phone is free no one ever said the service was included
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Did you see that Sprint just had a net loss of almost 850 million dollars... Despite a GAIN of 1 million subscribers. They have to do something lol.
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More than 600,000 of those were in the prepaid sector. They actually had a net loss of more than 100,000 in the post paid sector.
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With Sprint I sort of understand the legitimacy of wanting to charge extra for tethering, since they have true unlimited data and people who tether regularly can use an assload of bandwidth. But the other carriers all cap their data plans and charge extra for tethering. That is bullcrap.
Just root your phone and install tether and stop complaining... it takes 5 seconds.
i dont use the tether and dont have any plans to, i agree that using the rooted one is all too easy (its what 99% of teh rest of the android population have to do).
BUT
i do believe its rather annoying that the nexus 1 came and went with free tethering, the nexus s is on so many different carriers domestic and international.. yet sprint is the first one to throw up a fit about tethering. not saying that its wrong for them to, just feeling like a red headed stepchild of the nexus s family.
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I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?
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The free tether was not advertised as being free it was never writter or expressed. You just got a free bonus. IMO. Also the free tether was supposed to be remove on the update that occurred right after the phone was launched and it wasn't. I suggest rooting your phone its easy with an untold amount of benefits.
Does the removal of free tethering constitute as change in contract ? I would love to get out of my contract without penalty.
wow I love how people get up on a soapbox and complain without research first.
Free tethering was never offically free from sprint. So you want to cancel your contract/send emails/get red in the face over something that most people already knew.
get over it there are ways around these things which for the most part why we are all here to enhance our phones.
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Does the removal of free tethering constitute as change in contract ? I would love to get out of my contract without penalty.
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Read your contract and let me know if you see free tethering in there
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the tethering app itself is there and still works, it does what the app is supposed to do. sprint how ever just disabled the connection on their end to accounts that dont have the add on........which is totally their right to do. while the app comes with the phone is free no one ever said the service was included
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I thought the 2.3.5 update is what disable it? If so, that is hardly "on their end." It's on our end, inside our own hardware which we purchased.
Unless I am mistaken and they rolled out a network change at the exact same moment as a software change. But if they were magically blocking tethering from their end... then wouldn't it block our rooted tethering too?
I agree it's not the end of the world and rooted tether is easy. But I think it might be inaccurate to say an update to our phones is happening on their end.
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Read your contract and let me know if you see free tethering in there
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If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.
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If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.
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The DATA service to use the phone as a wireless hotspot/tether is an extra $29.99, whether we agree with that or not. If you don't think a contract is right then you don't sign it/use the service.
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If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.
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Your fight is with congress. Verizon/at&t/comcast/etc they lobbied pretty hard so that net neutrality not be on wireless lines. So the government has allowed from now and out what can be defined as a data over wireless. So what if sprint wants to charge you extra on your contract for a smartphone when you want to use their network for serving up data for laptops/some use for Xbox live and stuff if it is needed so badly on the users end to have mobile data well.
So think about if sprint were to allow free tethering on all phones, well businesses would flock to them for company plans to cut costs, and the flocks of data whores out there that love to rack up data on their phones. Our network would blow, congestion please.
Sprint and wireless telcos don't govern all the airwaves in your own house just the frequencies they use to provide you with a service which at signing is for that piece of hardware you bought from them, then activated that hardware on their network.
This by no means is me getting angry with you but hopefully more people will read this and look this up and let the information flow out. Our government is to blame allowing this to happen. By allowing them to define mobile data is why we have to pay the most expensive data rates for texting and such.
Now imagine this verizon which is new kinda to home tv and high speed fiber to the home. Perhaps they use some of the lte network to start providing tv and home internet. Now they would have complete control over how you watch and your internet. Maybe they have to throttle your HD channels cause you've been watching to much HBO movies. Why not they will all tell you Netflix kills their backend but watching vod has no strain on the network.....I've been ranting for too long sorry
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So think about if sprint were to allow free tethering on all phones, well businesses would flock to them for company plans to cut costs, and the flocks of data whores out there that love to rack up data on their phones. Our network would blow, congestion please.
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Agreed 100%, but the issue is traffic, not tethering. If they want to limit traffic or introduce a tiered plan, that is fine (it might piss me off, but it is a rational right they have). It is rational to expect to pay per amount of data streamed to my device. But it is not rational to tell me what to do with data received on my end.
Replace DATA with WATER. If I pay the city for x amount of water per month, once it arrives on my doorstep, can they charge me more if I add plumbing in my house that transports it to the backyard, or my basement? Or install an extra faucet in a guest bedroom?
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The DATA service to use the phone as a wireless hotspot/tether is an extra $29.99, whether we agree with that or not. If you don't think a contract is right then you don't sign it/use the service.
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Please see my example above about water.
If every single water company in town told you it was $50 per month to get 200 gallons of water piped to your house, but there would be a $30 surcharge (for the same amount) if you had more than 2 faucets in your house, would you:
(a) Tell them about all 4 of your faucets and pay $80
(b) Tell them you have 2 faucets and pay $50
If (a), then I question your thought processes. Common wisdom (in my mind at least) is that it is a citizen's duty to disobey unjust rules. Yes, I am being overdramatic here, and no a contract from Sprint is not a law. But it leans on the law (as the post above mentions), and ALL providers lean on that same unjust law...
A different thread (Here) degraded into an angry, but compelling discussion of tethering ethics.
Since the other thread was so lively, but off of original topic, I figured this would be a better, less phone specific, location.
This guy burned through 105G of data in a billing cycle.
Wow.
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This guy burned through 105G of data in a billing cycle.
Wow.
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I don't care if people tether provided they keep it at a reasonable rate. I think the T-Mo 5 GB limit is plenty for tethering and I don't care if they throttle past that point. 105GB is completely and utterly retarded and I wouldn't hesitate to say that he was probably downloading illegal files while tethering.
You're using AT&T and you're concerned about ethics LOL. They're screwing you every chance they get. If you get the chance to return the favor, be my guest.
The only crisis of conscience I might have is degrading the user experience of someone else on that same antenna.
The 'I don't give an F' users eventually bring the issue to a head; they push the limits and draw the attention of the carriers.
On the positive end, this (kind of) spurs bandwidth and rollout plans.
On a negative end, this hurries security and monitoring development that closes off these avenues.
There's no reasoning with 'power' users though; they'll take anything that's not nailed down. We all just have to live with it.
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You're using AT&T and you're concerned about ethics LOL. They're screwing you every chance they get. If you get the chance to return the favor, be my guest.
The only crisis of conscience I might have is degrading the user experience of someone else on that same antenna.
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I've never had any issue with AT&T, but I have had issues with T-Mobile. It's funny that a provider can be so cheap (T-Mobile), yet can't seem to get any subscribers... wonder why? :C
Could it be their poor service/coverage? Probably.
I used to tether a while back, but I got a letter from AT&T telling me if I continued I'd lose my unlimited data and be automatically enrolled in their 4GB for $45 tethering plan. I since stopped, and bought myself a 5GB "4G" data connect card @ $50 per month ($10 for every GB over). Seemed like a reasonable deal.
If you're gonna tether, good luck, you will get caught eventually. c:
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I've never had any issue with AT&T, but I have had issues with T-Mobile. It's funny that a provider can be so cheap (T-Mobile), yet can't seem to get any subscribers... wonder why? :C
Could it be their poor service/coverage? Probably.
I used to tether a while back, but I got a letter from AT&T telling me if I continued I'd lose my unlimited data and be automatically enrolled in their 4GB for $45 tethering plan. I since stopped, and bought myself a 5GB "4G" data connect card @ $50 per month ($10 for every GB over). Seemed like a reasonable deal.
If you're gonna tether, good luck, you will get caught eventually. c:
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So instead of using something you were already paying for, you now are paying for another monthly charge to continue doing what you were already doing before? Yep, definitely. Sounds like you've never had an issue with AT&T. At least not one that you want to admit.
But in all honesty, it cripples the system when people are overusing. Then again, we should be getting what we pay for. And considering the unreasonable rates carriers provide compared to elsewhere in the world... f*** them.
I honestly don't tether that much these days. I only use it when the internet is down and at best, I use about 200MB worth of data from tethering. Haven't been caught and I am pretty sure T-Mobile doesn't care enough to send me a warning about tethering on a non-tethering contract.
With that being said, I did hit my 5GB limit. Twice. Without the use of tethering. Throttled speed is honestly not that bad, I can still do some stuff.
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So instead of using something you were already paying for, you now are paying for another monthly charge to continue doing what you were already doing before? Yep, definitely. Sounds like you've never had an issue with AT&T. At least not one that you want to admit.
But in all honesty, it cripples the system when people are overusing. Then again, we should be getting what we pay for. And considering the unreasonable rates carriers provide compared to elsewhere in the world... f*** them.
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When you say unreasonable rates VZW certainly comes to mind
I don't tether but really don't see the problem with it. As someone else stated when it comes to 'power users' they are out there and we all have to deal with it no matter what the service you use, ie DSL/CABLE/SAT etc.
What about the 'ethics' of locking bootloaders and loading my phone full of bloatware? ROFL...
I don't think its unethical to use your data the way you want to use it. You are paying for the data. I think caps, for the price of unlimited home broadband (and not achieving close to the same speeds as those of home broadband) is unethical.
If my contract says unlimited data, I see nothing unethical about it. It is my data to use when and how I want to. The only thing unethical is the fact that I pay $160 a month for 2 lines.
Whats the difference between using 2GB of data on your phone compared to using 2GB of data when you've got a laptop tethered to it? You should just be able to pay for data and thats that. No paying extra if you want to tether.
It is abusing it if you have unlimited data and rinse it all since it's never really unlimited. Maybe they should say how much data you're ACTUALLY allowed to use.
people should stop using 3G/4G as a replacement for home internet, sigh...
I am about to go a little off topic.
I think it is the fault of the carriers themselves. Earlier it was allowed for me tether as much as I wanted. I had an unlimited data plan (A real one).
Now I am limited to 2 gb (or not yet, only when I renew my contract) This is not caused by power users but because of wrongly anticipated investments. They need to get back their investment of economically aged techniques.
Also I am forced to buy more calling minutes and text when I want more data.
I think, especially compared to earlier, that giving us this little data for a ridiculously high price is unethical. 10 gb should be more fair. I mean they tell us to watch youtube on my phone at home. Why would I do that when I have a laptop or maybe later even a tablet?
Its not really unethical to download 105 gb unless you are downloading illegal stuff and causing others unable to use mobile data.
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A different thread (Here) degraded into an angry, but compelling discussion of tethering ethics.
Since the other thread was so lively, but off of original topic, I figured this would be a better, less phone specific, location.
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I am about to go a little off topic.
I think it is the fault of the carriers themselves. Earlier it was allowed for me tether as much as I wanted. I had an unlimited data plan (A real one).
Now I am limited to 2 gb (or not yet, only when I renew my contract) This is not caused by power users but because of wrongly anticipated investments. They need to get back their investment of economically aged techniques.
Also I am forced to buy more calling minutes and text when I want more data.
I think, especially compared to earlier, that giving us this little data for a ridiculously high price is unethical. 10 gb should be more fair. I mean they tell us to watch youtube on my phone at home. Why would I do that when I have a laptop or maybe later even a tablet?
Its not really unethical to download 105 gb unless you are downloading illegal stuff and causing others unable to use mobile data.
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Well, people would tether because why bother having two Internet es, one at your home and one in your pocket? Sounds easier to have it all on your phone as you can tether to your other devices. Also, some people don't have tablets or aptops, etc. To even use, so they use whatever they can but I mean this is unlikely since they can afford such an Internet service on their device.
Also, it's the isp fault of their network can't support thousands or millions of users using their network, they should get better networks, etc since you're paying for the service. For the ones who download like several gigabytes of stuff, why not? It's the Internet and they paid for it. Watching a million videos, movies, watching live tv, etc. Why don't they leech off starbucks? Because they are paying for an "unlimited" service.
For the throttling, I find it stupid, or good. Stupid because unlimited users shouldn't be doing because they use a lot, it's a service they paid for. Well, how much they throttle anyways? But it's good because at the end of the month, that's when team network is the fastest, if the heavy users get throttled.
Either way, I think throttling is stupid and bad for user who paid for unlimited Internet,.
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people should stop using 3G/4G as a replacement for home internet, sigh...
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Why not? Although home Internet is faster, why pay for home when you have unlimited 3g/4g?
Im on sprint, so we have unlimited data in our contracts. I think its my right to use it in any way i like just like i do at home with fios. i can plug in any device i want into my router. I could give my dog her own videophone and verizon wont care. Cell carriers should be the same, they should treat it as a just a connection, thats it. we would all be happier.
I was on AT&T. Got the tethering notice and decided no more with them. I switched to Verizon.
When I tether, I really don't use that much data than I would on my phone. I average around 6.5GB a month on my phone usual data. From there, I would venture to say 2GB of data is tethering and when it's done, it's usually not even their peak network times. I don't think it's unethical because data is data. A byte is a byte whether it originated on the phone or the other device. The company has the capability, they just want more money for it.
Really, it boils down to moderation. If everyone tethered, but did it moderately, we could all enjoy it. But for the 105GB guy, he ruins it for all of us.
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Im on sprint, so we have unlimited data in our contracts. I think its my right to use it in any way i like just like i do at home with fios. i can plug in any device i want into my router. I could give my dog her own videophone and verizon wont care. Cell carriers should be the same, they should treat it as a just a connection, thats it. we would all be happier.
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I agree.
As our devices become capable of higher volumes of data in a billing period, AT&T markets faster speeds (translation: greater volume in less time), more apps (translation: more downloads, more apps pulling data), we are expected not to use greater volumes of data if we have an unlimited contract.
As for people who say that power users cause network bottlenecks, I would like to see data to prove this allegation. I haven't seen any information to support this allegation. I believe that AT&T's network problems, including cell towers that lose internet, are a much bigger problem.
Power users don't cause the bottleneck. There's so few who actually use over a fairly small amount of data that it's ridiculous for the carriers to say that power users are the cause of network congestion and general slowness, which prompt data caps and other unpleasantness.
The actual issue is similar to Comcast's handling of torrenters. The whole Sandvine debacle wasn't caused because so many people were torrenting that the network couldn't handle it. The cause was simple greed and laziness--the provider sold more bandwidth than they actually possessed. The same is true for the mobile networks, as well. These guys know that "unlimited" is the magic word to sell data plans, but they don't want to spend the money necessary to expand network infrastructure to actually handle unlimited data access from thousands upon thousands of subscribers. So they blame it on the handful of folks who actually make use of the whole unlimited part, and throttle or cap bandwidth.
If they had been honest to begin with, we probably wouldn't be so torqued about it all.
I'm on T-Mobile and I tether fairly often, but not to excess, mostly because I have a 2GB cap and I'm almost always in a place where I can get wifi. The tethering is there for those 1% of times when there's no 802.11 nearby and I need to get my laptop online for whatever reason.
I pay for my bandwidth, I ought to be able to use it however I please. T-Mobile doesn't seem to mind whether my bits are pulled down through my Nexus S or my laptop.
Now if I could only figure out how to stop their proxies from compressing JPEGs...
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http://gizmodo.com/verizon-is-booting-8-500-rural-customers-over-data-use-1818476496/amp,
Out where we are, there is no wifi, so we rely on the unlimited plans and tether. We do use a lot of data but the closest house to us is a half mile away. Been with Verizon over 20 years. My state is included in the list, so just waiting for the boot.
What are your thought's?
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http://gizmodo.com/verizon-is-booting-8-500-rural-customers-over-data-use-1818476496/amp,
Out where we are, there is no wifi, so we rely on the unlimited plans and tether. We do use a lot of data but the closest house to us is a half mile away. Been with Verizon over 20 years. My state is included in the list, so just waiting for the boot.
What are your thought's?
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Well, it's no fun, but they're no charity. If it's costing them money then so be it. I think people often mistake carriers for governments. Carriers are private companies who have no requirement to provide charity data. That''s my thoughts.
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Well, it's no fun, but they're no charity. If it's costing them money then so be it. I think people often mistake carriers for governments. Carriers are private companies who have no requirement to provide charity data. That''s my thoughts.
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I pay Verizon over 400 a month for unlimited data which was guaranteed to me more than 12 years ago so I don't see where they are a charity.
Appreciate your thoughts though.
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I pay Verizon over 400 a month for unlimited data which was guaranteed to me more than 12 years ago so I don't see where they are a charity.
Appreciate your thoughts though.
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I think you're saying it was guaranteed to you might be a little erroneous. The reality is, that carriers don't guarantee anything to anyone. They have clauses in their contracts to allow things such as this to occur, when they see fit. As such, I think that's a dangerous position for people to take. About the only thing guaranteed in this world are taxes and death. While the Constitution affords theoretical protections against various things even that's up to interpretation. You're correct, I was saying that they're absolutely not a charity. I think you just solidified my point. They're a profitable Corporation, and have no obligation to be nice or fair to anybody. That's not true of just Verizon that's true of every carrier or any private sector company.
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I think you're saying it was guaranteed to you might be a little erroneous. The reality is, that carriers don't guarantee anything to anyone. They have clauses in their contracts to allow things such as this to occur, when they see fit. As such, I think that's a dangerous position for people to take. About the only thing guaranteed in this world are taxes and death. While the Constitution affords theoretical protections against various things even that's up to interpretation. You're correct, I was saying that they're absolutely not a charity. I think you just solidified my point. They're a profitable Corporation, and have no obligation to be nice or fair to anybody. That's not true of just Verizon that's true of every carrier or any private sector company.
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Tell me this, our closest neighbor is a half mile away and she is 84 hrs old. She used just under 12gb of data on an unlimited plan to watch Netflix and she got a notice as well as we did saying she overused and her speeds would be cut to 700 khz.
I understand what you are saying but it still doesn't make it right...
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Tell me this, our closest neighbor is a half mile away and she is 84 hrs old. She used just under 12gb of data on an unlimited plan to watch Netflix and she got a notice as well as we did saying she overused and her speeds would be cut to 700 khz.
I understand what you are saying but it still doesn't make it right...
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I don't disagree. It does suck.
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Well, it's no fun, but they're no charity. If it's costing them money then so be it. I think people often mistake carriers for governments. Carriers are private companies who have no requirement to provide charity data. That''s my thoughts.
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Hahahahahahahaha OMG really? PLEASE tell me your not that naiive
http://www.verizon.com/about/file/22819/download?token=7m9zCDca
(Find their financial report here if the above doesn't work
http://www.verizon.com/about/invest...2017-quarter-earnings-conference-call-webcast)
Verizon reported 4.3B in INCOME in q2 2017. Let's just be clear here. That means they made four point three BILLION dollars in three months earlier this year. That's. INCOME mind you, revenue minus expenses. As in take it to the bank money* in case you slept through finance class.
4.3B every 3 months in profit and they need to stick it to rual working class people?
Oh, and also VZW is a Telecom provider, and is actually classified as a company that does hold monopoly control of a utility in certain locations (your landline or broadband services in some places go through them or subsidiaries of them) so they actually ARE a little bit like a government as they are regulated and beholden to fair customer treatment in areas of their business.
Using the charity strawman in response to a global Telecom company. Wow. That's all I can say on a board like XDA about that.
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Yea nope.
* Yes I know that things come out of revenue and it's not pure profit but given that the comment indicated that giving a few thousand dollars would qualify VZW as a charity I simplified
If I would be a person living in a rural area, I would use Ubiquiti Loco M5 LAN bridges. Because one bridge works up to 5 miles and provide 100Mbit connection between two houses. Now, let's say only one person has internet in rural area, but using this bridge you can build your own network thru which you can share this person's one internet connection to as many houses as you like, as long as distance between them is less than 5 miles in open field. It is kinda illegal, because usually internet providers have a clause in a contract about "no reselling services", but as long as you not making money on it, and nobody knows, it is OK. Just a hint
After reading the article looks like it is for roaming not using their data. These are people that are not in Verizon main service area most of the time they are outside the Verizon service area and roam onto other networks which does cost them money!
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I think you're saying it was guaranteed to you might be a little erroneous. The reality is, that carriers don't guarantee anything to anyone. They have clauses in their contracts to allow things such as this to occur, when they see fit. As such, I think that's a dangerous position for people to take. About the only thing guaranteed in this world are taxes and death. While the Constitution affords theoretical protections against various things even that's up to interpretation. You're correct, I was saying that they're absolutely not a charity. I think you just solidified my point. They're a profitable Corporation, and have no obligation to be nice or fair to anybody. That's not true of just Verizon that's true of every carrier or any private sector company.
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I will second the guarantee about taxes and death...:good::good::good:
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http://gizmodo.com/verizon-is-booting-8-500-rural-customers-over-data-use-1818476496/amp,
Out where we are, there is no wifi, so we rely on the unlimited plans and tether. We do use a lot of data but the closest house to us is a half mile away. Been with Verizon over 20 years. My state is included in the list, so just waiting for the boot.
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For $400 a month, you could easily switch to satellite (Hughes net) and save money.
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After reading the article looks like it is for roaming not using their data. These are people that are not in Verizon main service area most of the time they are outside the Verizon service area and roam onto other networks which does cost them money!
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Very good point! It is in their contract info that you have to use the majority of your data while on their network or something like this could happen.
Not saying it doesn't suck but maybe I'd figure out who is providing cell signal in the area, the actual provider and start talking to them.
I've been looking to upgrade my phone on gudp, I use an old lg G3 and last month I did about 500GB worth of data. Do any are you guys still have unlimited with your S8 and haven't been disconnected? They don't even offer the older sub upgrade prices for phones anymore and gudp went up, which fine I ported out other lines to total wireless and get the same network for way less. The irony is My VZW speeds are double to triple the speed on my wired connection which has a hidden data limit.