http://gizmodo.com/verizon-is-booting-8-500-rural-customers-over-data-use-1818476496/amp,
Out where we are, there is no wifi, so we rely on the unlimited plans and tether. We do use a lot of data but the closest house to us is a half mile away. Been with Verizon over 20 years. My state is included in the list, so just waiting for the boot.
What are your thought's?
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Out where we are, there is no wifi, so we rely on the unlimited plans and tether. We do use a lot of data but the closest house to us is a half mile away. Been with Verizon over 20 years. My state is included in the list, so just waiting for the boot.
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Well, it's no fun, but they're no charity. If it's costing them money then so be it. I think people often mistake carriers for governments. Carriers are private companies who have no requirement to provide charity data. That''s my thoughts.
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Well, it's no fun, but they're no charity. If it's costing them money then so be it. I think people often mistake carriers for governments. Carriers are private companies who have no requirement to provide charity data. That''s my thoughts.
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I pay Verizon over 400 a month for unlimited data which was guaranteed to me more than 12 years ago so I don't see where they are a charity.
Appreciate your thoughts though.
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I pay Verizon over 400 a month for unlimited data which was guaranteed to me more than 12 years ago so I don't see where they are a charity.
Appreciate your thoughts though.
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I think you're saying it was guaranteed to you might be a little erroneous. The reality is, that carriers don't guarantee anything to anyone. They have clauses in their contracts to allow things such as this to occur, when they see fit. As such, I think that's a dangerous position for people to take. About the only thing guaranteed in this world are taxes and death. While the Constitution affords theoretical protections against various things even that's up to interpretation. You're correct, I was saying that they're absolutely not a charity. I think you just solidified my point. They're a profitable Corporation, and have no obligation to be nice or fair to anybody. That's not true of just Verizon that's true of every carrier or any private sector company.
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I think you're saying it was guaranteed to you might be a little erroneous. The reality is, that carriers don't guarantee anything to anyone. They have clauses in their contracts to allow things such as this to occur, when they see fit. As such, I think that's a dangerous position for people to take. About the only thing guaranteed in this world are taxes and death. While the Constitution affords theoretical protections against various things even that's up to interpretation. You're correct, I was saying that they're absolutely not a charity. I think you just solidified my point. They're a profitable Corporation, and have no obligation to be nice or fair to anybody. That's not true of just Verizon that's true of every carrier or any private sector company.
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Tell me this, our closest neighbor is a half mile away and she is 84 hrs old. She used just under 12gb of data on an unlimited plan to watch Netflix and she got a notice as well as we did saying she overused and her speeds would be cut to 700 khz.
I understand what you are saying but it still doesn't make it right...
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Tell me this, our closest neighbor is a half mile away and she is 84 hrs old. She used just under 12gb of data on an unlimited plan to watch Netflix and she got a notice as well as we did saying she overused and her speeds would be cut to 700 khz.
I understand what you are saying but it still doesn't make it right...
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I don't disagree. It does suck.
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Well, it's no fun, but they're no charity. If it's costing them money then so be it. I think people often mistake carriers for governments. Carriers are private companies who have no requirement to provide charity data. That''s my thoughts.
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Hahahahahahahaha OMG really? PLEASE tell me your not that naiive
http://www.verizon.com/about/file/22819/download?token=7m9zCDca
(Find their financial report here if the above doesn't work
http://www.verizon.com/about/invest...2017-quarter-earnings-conference-call-webcast)
Verizon reported 4.3B in INCOME in q2 2017. Let's just be clear here. That means they made four point three BILLION dollars in three months earlier this year. That's. INCOME mind you, revenue minus expenses. As in take it to the bank money* in case you slept through finance class.
4.3B every 3 months in profit and they need to stick it to rual working class people?
Oh, and also VZW is a Telecom provider, and is actually classified as a company that does hold monopoly control of a utility in certain locations (your landline or broadband services in some places go through them or subsidiaries of them) so they actually ARE a little bit like a government as they are regulated and beholden to fair customer treatment in areas of their business.
Using the charity strawman in response to a global Telecom company. Wow. That's all I can say on a board like XDA about that.
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Yea nope.
* Yes I know that things come out of revenue and it's not pure profit but given that the comment indicated that giving a few thousand dollars would qualify VZW as a charity I simplified
If I would be a person living in a rural area, I would use Ubiquiti Loco M5 LAN bridges. Because one bridge works up to 5 miles and provide 100Mbit connection between two houses. Now, let's say only one person has internet in rural area, but using this bridge you can build your own network thru which you can share this person's one internet connection to as many houses as you like, as long as distance between them is less than 5 miles in open field. It is kinda illegal, because usually internet providers have a clause in a contract about "no reselling services", but as long as you not making money on it, and nobody knows, it is OK. Just a hint
After reading the article looks like it is for roaming not using their data. These are people that are not in Verizon main service area most of the time they are outside the Verizon service area and roam onto other networks which does cost them money!
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I think you're saying it was guaranteed to you might be a little erroneous. The reality is, that carriers don't guarantee anything to anyone. They have clauses in their contracts to allow things such as this to occur, when they see fit. As such, I think that's a dangerous position for people to take. About the only thing guaranteed in this world are taxes and death. While the Constitution affords theoretical protections against various things even that's up to interpretation. You're correct, I was saying that they're absolutely not a charity. I think you just solidified my point. They're a profitable Corporation, and have no obligation to be nice or fair to anybody. That's not true of just Verizon that's true of every carrier or any private sector company.
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I will second the guarantee about taxes and death...:good::good::good:
leroybrute said:
http://gizmodo.com/verizon-is-booting-8-500-rural-customers-over-data-use-1818476496/amp,
Out where we are, there is no wifi, so we rely on the unlimited plans and tether. We do use a lot of data but the closest house to us is a half mile away. Been with Verizon over 20 years. My state is included in the list, so just waiting for the boot.
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For $400 a month, you could easily switch to satellite (Hughes net) and save money.
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After reading the article looks like it is for roaming not using their data. These are people that are not in Verizon main service area most of the time they are outside the Verizon service area and roam onto other networks which does cost them money!
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Very good point! It is in their contract info that you have to use the majority of your data while on their network or something like this could happen.
Not saying it doesn't suck but maybe I'd figure out who is providing cell signal in the area, the actual provider and start talking to them.
I've been looking to upgrade my phone on gudp, I use an old lg G3 and last month I did about 500GB worth of data. Do any are you guys still have unlimited with your S8 and haven't been disconnected? They don't even offer the older sub upgrade prices for phones anymore and gudp went up, which fine I ported out other lines to total wireless and get the same network for way less. The irony is My VZW speeds are double to triple the speed on my wired connection which has a hidden data limit.
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So this has been coming up a lot and I want to make something VERY clear to a few members on here who wish to back up Sprint/Evo whenever possible without looking at the facts.
Most of the members on here flame other people who complain about the extra $10 a month charge. I have been here, I have seen it and from day one I have been against the extra fee. Members have been so harsh and irrational as to say "Idiot you signed up without reading the contract?" or "Obviously said an extra $10 you don't HAVE to get this phone" etc etc etc.
Fine. You win. We didn't have to get this phone nor Sprint etc.
But let me make something VERY f*****g clear.
Sprint outlined that we pay an extra $10 for a "richer data experience" and "truly unlimited bandwidth". Now, the same logic applies to Sprint. So when I see users such as fachadick going off on how WE are stupid for downloading whatever we want yet he criticizes people for not wanting to pay the extra $10 a month it makes me question his line of thought. Clearly we pay an EXTRA amount for nothing other than Sprint to capitalize on their 'new iPhone killer'.
Lets face the facts:
Sprint clearly outlined our Evos to have unlimited bandwidth usage and that is the bottom line on the deal. A lot of members need to get off Sprints nuts and realize they are a mega corporation just like anyone else. If they had the iPhone they would be hijacking their prices and capping their bandwidth just to make extra cash too. This is how companies work.
If you need more evidence look into computer hardware. Currently, AMD is considered the best price/performance valued CPU on the market. There are a TON of AMD fanbois going around saying "we support AMD because they are an amazing corporation that does not cheat their customers like Intel does"
Bull****. When AMD was on top they were selling their native quad cores @ 1,000 when Intel was selling theirs for ~ 400. These server markets were untapped and AMD had the performance advantage. Now the tides have turned and people support AMD for the other reason.
The point I'm trying to make is there is a lot of FANBOISM going on in these forums. I have accepted it with phones but when people start to do it with carriers it just pisses me off. Carriers don't care just like any other corporation. Members here have to understand there is no difference between Sprint/ATT/Verizon/Criket/Metro etc besides their prices and the phones they offer. In the end, ALL of us are being f****d by their ridiculous prices and horrible customer support. Other industrialized countries have far better speeds and much cheaper prices than we do.
All in all, if Sprint cant back up their 'truly unlimited extra $10 a month b***hit' then let them fail - that is how capitalism works. The consumers get shafted with ****ty prices but we also get the best that the producers are willing to offer at the time.
Viva la download.
Dude, most of the people that don't agree live in the UK and frequent these boards.
What came first, the fanboi or the anti-fanboi?
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What came first, the fanboi or the anti-fanboi?
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.. same goes for religion.. .. LAFF
I did argue with the sales man about why should I pay extra for 4g because I'm a two hour drive from the nearest 4g coverage.
Oh Noooo! I never realized I was paying an extra $10/mo.
My goodness, that's almost 34 cents a day!!
I'm gonna have to give up 2 trips to Starbucks every month.
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Carriers don't care just like any other corporation. Members here have to understand there is no difference between Sprint/ATT/Verizon/Criket/Metro etc besides their prices and the phones they offer. In the end, ALL of us are being ****ed by their ridiculous prices and horrible customer support. Other industrialized countries have far better speeds and much cheaper prices than we do.
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No, the service is much different. CDMA is much stronger here than GSM. I have, many times, seen ATT/T-Mobile phones drop coverage completely while I wouldn't even loose data on my EVO. Metro isn't in my area, but Cricket is sh!t and not just in my area, everywhere. Dropped calls everywhere, hidden charges, ect. Also, I have had FANTASTIC customer service with Sprint and terrible customer service with ATT. I have not used Verizon or T-Mobile in a long time so I cannot comment on their customer service.
Honestly, yes we are paying MORE than the service costs, otherwise why would they provide that service? It costs about $6/month to provide service to a customer for the major carriers, possibly less. The point of ANY business is to convince the consumer that what they are buying is worth more that it actually is, which they have successfully done. It is worse in the wireless industry because there is much less government regulation, which is slowly changing. Other countries DO NOT have far better speeds on wireless networks, the US has the most robust 4G network in the world, though it is still weak. Wired connections are a different story, but we are not talking about that.
As bad as it may sound, our economy is based on deception of the consumer to maximize profits, that is just how capitalism works. Also, I really don't mind paying the $10 surcharge, 5 EVOs on Sprint (or EPICs) would cost $240/month while Verizon would cost $300/month and ATT would cost you $245/month (note that is for 2GB per phone and not unlimited) and T-Mobile costs you $250/month. And those prices are for the lowest minutes possible, while on Sprint we get any mobile. Now, I'm not going to say Sprint is the end all for all carriers, it is possible for any of the carriers to change their policies and prices. I have changed carriers 3 times, Verizon to T-Mobile, to ATT, to Sprint and have never been more satisfied with my service. That is partly due to the increased footprint of all networks, not just Sprint, but not only reception, full service.
@OP,
While this is a good topic for discussion, please try to keep the tone of your language down a bit. Thanks.
Is this argument still going on? It's a service. The company offering the service puts a price on it. If you find the service worth the price then you should buy it. If you think it is overpriced for the value you will gain out of it, then you should not buy it.
I personally find it worth $10 to have access to any city-wide Wimax hotspot as well as uncapped 3G data. That's why I bought the phone and the associated plan. Either way it is cheaper than similar Wimax-less and capped plans on Verizon or AT&T.
If you don't use a ton of data or Wimax then maybe you should buy one off contract and then activate it or maybe pick another phone/plan.
The world isn't perfect. Most things are a compromise. Ultimately the minutiae of high end wireless data plans and devices is a first world problem and I prefer to save my energy for other things.
Your mileage may vary.
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@OP,
While this is a good topic for discussion, please try to keep the tone of your language down a bit. Thanks.
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I disagree. OP starts threads looking for emotional reaction far too often for me to take this thread seriously.
Ha, dude, get over it. If you think other countries have better service and cheaper prices, then GO THERE...and to another forum.
One less winy, self-righteous individual clouding up the forums with their worthless rants.
dont feed the troll people...
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So when I see users such as fachadick going off on how WE are stupid for downloading whatever we want yet he criticizes people for not wanting to pay the extra $10 a month it makes me question his line of thought.
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Should I reply or shouldn't I? Ok, I'll bite.
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So this has been coming up a lot and I want to make something VERY clear to a few members on here who wish to back up Sprint/Evo whenever possible without looking at the facts....
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But let me make something VERY f*****g clear.
Sprint outlined that we pay an extra $10 for a "richer data experience" and "truly unlimited bandwidth". Now, the same logic applies to Sprint. So when I see users such as fachadick going off on how WE are stupid for downloading whatever we want yet he criticizes people for not wanting to pay the extra $10 a month it makes me question his line of thought. Clearly we pay an EXTRA amount for nothing other than Sprint to capitalize on their 'new iPhone killer'.
Lets face the facts:
Sprint clearly outlined our Evos to have unlimited bandwidth usage and that is the bottom line on the deal. A lot of members need to get off Sprints nuts and realize they are a mega corporation just like anyone else. If they had the iPhone they would be hijacking their prices and capping their bandwidth just to make extra cash too. This is how companies work...
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The point I'm trying to make is there is a lot of FANBOISM going on in these forums. I have accepted it with phones but when people start to do it with carriers it just pisses me off. Carriers don't care just like any other corporation. Members here have to understand there is no difference between Sprint/ATT/Verizon/Criket/Metro etc besides their prices and the phones they offer. In the end, ALL of us are being f****d by their ridiculous prices and horrible customer support. Other industrialized countries have far better speeds and much cheaper prices than we do.
All in all, if Sprint cant back up their 'truly unlimited extra $10 a month b***hit' then let them fail - that is how capitalism works. The consumers get shafted with ****ty prices but we also get the best that the producers are willing to offer at the time.
Viva la download.
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I'm a fanboi because I think the $10 charge is legitamate? OK, let's go over it again. Devices that have the premium data fee do give you a richer experience. If you just want unlimited data, get yourself a Hero or Moment, and avoid that extra $10 fee. What does the $10 get you? Well, Sprint charges $29.99 for the hotspot feature on the evo and epic, but without the EVO or Epic, you would need the Overdrive from Sprint to acheive the same functionality, which would cost you $60/month. The extra $10/month on the Evo/Epic gives you access to this same functionality for half the price.
The $10 also gives you access to devices with a front facing camera, which gives a much better experience with video chat applications, and lets not forget the access to nationwide wimax access (which just opened up where my office is, and I'm consistently pulling 7mb down. Again, if you don't feel that those items are any type of enhancement, or worth $10, go with a hero or moment, or hell, even the i1 - those are all android devices on sprint where you can get unlimited data without the $10 fee or access to what that $10 gets you.
As far as abusing the unlimited data goes, it's not that people are using the unlimited data that is causing the issue - by all means, use that data, after all, it's included in the plan. What will eventually screw us all over is the fact that people are using the unlimited data, and abusing the prohibited network usage clause in their contracts while doing so.
You're right, Sprint is just another big corporation. That's the whole point. Now that people are abusing the probited network usage clause, and not only using wireless tething for free and using it their main connection to the internet at home, but are also using it for things like torrents, and just to see how much they can actually download for the hell of it, there becmes a point where it no longer makes financial sense for them to offer unlimited data so cheap (compared to the other carriers) - and then we all lose out.
edit - and I never called anyone stupid, either.
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I really just can't help myself sometimes.
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I really just can't help myself sometimes.
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except for you, you can feed the troll...
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Why do people even complain? Don't like the pricing or how the company is setup, pick up your crap and go to the next carrier. I don't pay for anything I don't find value in
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If you weren't aware of the $10 charge or didnt pay attention cuz you were too excited about getting your new phone, THATS YOUR FAULT! Not Sprint's. Just like what's been said before, Sprint offers other Android phones that don't come with an extra $10 fee. If it bothers you that much, sell your EVO on Craigslist or eBay and buy one of them.
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I'm a fanboi because I think the $10 charge is legitamate? OK, let's go over it again. Devices that have the premium data fee do give you a richer experience. If you just want unlimited data, get yourself a Hero or Moment, and avoid that extra $10 fee.
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You know...I don't "like" paying an extra $10, but I feel it is fully worth it.
As of a week ago, I have an add a line with a hero. First android phone for my gf, and she has been on the thing constantly. Guess what? Light usage for me and I have used three times the data in an identical time frame. The two ROMS I downloaded were on 4G so they don't add to the total.
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If you weren't aware of the $10 charge or didnt pay attention cuz you were too excited about getting your new phone, THATS YOUR FAULT! Not Sprint's. Just like what's been said before, Sprint offers other Android phones that don't come with an extra $10 fee. If it bothers you that much, sell your EVO on Craigslist or eBay and buy one of them.
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Yeah ok... I was never told about it when I purchased. Also.. signing the contract was digital so I saw nothing on any fees or pricing. Hell I didn't even know about it when I went on this forum. Again. I'm not really mad about paying for it.. not at all... but not everyone was told about it.. I gave him my info. Was told to sign twice on the electric pad and picked the 69.99 package. Turned my phone on and activated, printed out the contract form and told me thanks for joining sprint.. so you tell me when I was told about it. The package says unlimited data. I asked a Rep at the store and its for 4g service and owning a premium smartphone. Nothing about unlimited data? I was told I could go to blackerry and have same plan and have "unlimited 3g" so again its for 4g and owning the already paid for phone. I rather pay 10 bucks even if not here if it helps get it faster in Wisconsin. But don't say its for the unlimited data crap.. or they told you.. because not everyone was told about it.
Edit: the printed contract was stuff in the bag with the evolution box as soon as it printed and handed to me thanking for choosing sprint. So again never seen a contract.
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Yeah ok... I was never told about it when I purchased. Also.. signing the contract was digital so I saw nothing on any fees or pricing. Hell I didn't even know about it when I went on this forum. Again. I'm not really mad about paying for it.. not at all... but not everyone was told about it.. I gave him my info. Was told to sign twice on the electric pad and picked the 69.99 package. Turned my phone on and activated, printed out the contract form and told me thanks for joining sprint.. so you tell me when I was told about it. The package says unlimited data. I asked a Rep at the store and its for 4g service and owning a premium smartphone. Nothing about unlimited data? I was told I could go to blackerry and have same plan and have "unlimited 3g" so again its for 4g and owning the already paid for phone. I rather pay 10 bucks even if not here if it helps get it faster in Wisconsin. But don't say its for the unlimited data crap.. or they told you.. because not everyone was told about it.
Edit: the printed contract was stuff in the bag with the evolution box as soon as it printed and handed to me thanking for choosing sprint. So again never seen a contract.
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I never mentioned anything in post about "contract". I'm not trying to argue or call you out, I'm simply saying the tiniest bit of research of the phone prior to purchase would've revealed the extra $10 charge. It was displayed on Sprint and BB's websites. I never saw a contact or was ever told by the Sprint rep that sold me the phone either.
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me no likey, especially being a leo user since April that was forced to sign an "unlimited" data plan...
unlimited to 5g...lol.
Okay? Seriously it's not that big of a deal, just cut back on data usage.
hardly spazzing out, just a bit peeved that the answer to lack of towers is to alter the service I am paying for and deserve.
rightly so per my contract...
maybe allow previous contracts expire that were signed before the throttling?
nah, for my $300 phone, and mandatory $30 month plan I deserve to be punished for assuming that the netty netzorz would be "unlimited".
it's not as if I want a red ferrari or one night with Angelina Jolie er nuthin'.
(this phone sees more net tham my p.c. btw)
tmo since 2005.
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Okay? Seriously it's not that big of a deal, just cut back on data usage.
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actually that's Tmo's answer to the problem instead of erecting more towers and honoring the contract I signed back in April...
"Sir, it's your fault we're too cheap to erect more towers, use less internet plz."
you missed your calling as a tmo phone jockey!
Agreed, we signed for a specific amount on our data plans. Now I hear I'm going to have half the data limit I signed for.
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Your data is still unlimited, you'll just be throttled to a slower speed once you exceed 5gb. So likely no different to the unlimited data you had before 3g was in existence.
I still think TMO's tiering/caping is the most reasonable in the industry. At least they aren't flat out cutting you off or hitting you up to pay for another 2gb bucket like other carriers. Though maybe an option to pay up to lift the cap would be a nice option for heavy users, but that might go down the slippery slope of them going that route and being like ATT rather than the throttling they are doing now
What would actually be nice is if they didnt just flat out throttle you at 5gb but throttle you with bursting ability. that way loading the quick email or light web page will still be snappy, but if you attempt any streaming or large downloads then you get throttled down.
What im curious about that hasn't been covered much is exactly what speed do you get throttled down to? do you still get 3g coverage, just throttled. or does the throttling turn off your ability yo use the 3g signals, leaving you stuck with edge coverage?
I may just have to test it out this billing cycle, and do some very large downloads the last couple days of my billing cycle and try to hit 5gb a couple days before my cycle resets and see just how bad it gets.
Although it blows to be the "victim" of a traditional "bait & switch" by a faceless corporation, I am still 3G but downloading pages at minimum 5+ seconds slower.
Terrible? No.
Unexpected due to expectations of "unlimited" use per my 2 year contract? Yup.
I realize that OTHER providers/carriers have always capped, but um, I am not with other providers/carriers.
Tmo advertised..."UNLIMITED NET USAGE" and as a paying client who signed a contract I expect to get what I originally signed up for.
Imho I'm not demanding anything more than what I signed up for.
What good are contracts with tmo for anyways? A way for them to strongarm you into coping with their ever changing policies, or pay the ETF and have a nice life???
I really despise the "sukz to be you" policy that tmo is acquiring...
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Although it blows to be the "victim" of a traditional "bait & switch" by a faceless corporation, I am still 3G but downloading pages at minimum 5+ seconds slower.
Terrible? No.
Unexpected due to expectations of "unlimited" use per my 2 year contract? Yup.
I realize that OTHER providers/carriers have always capped, but um, I am not with other providers/carriers.
Tmo advertised..."UNLIMITED NET USAGE" and as a paying client who signed a contract I expect to get what I originally signed up for.
Imho I'm not demanding anything more than what I signed up for.
What good are contracts with tmo for anyways? A way for them to strongarm you into coping with their ever changing policies, or pay the ETF and have a nice life???
I really despise the "sukz to be you" policy that tmo is acquiring...
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Yeah i know it sucks as far as being stuck in a contract thinking you were getting one thing and getting something else
But as far as i see legally they are still holding up their end of the contract, you are still completely unlimited in your net access. They never advertised a set kbps or mbps of service they would provide. no internet provider does, unless youre talking about a leased business class line. All your home based broadband connections are advertised as "up to" whatever speed
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Yeah i know it sucks as far as being stuck in a contract thinking you were getting one thing and getting something else
But as far as i see legally they are still holding up their end of the contract, you are still completely unlimited in your net access. They never advertised a set kbps or mbps of service they would provide. no internet provider does, unless youre talking about a leased business class line. All your home based broadband connections are advertised as "up to" whatever speed
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I get it, in order to sign contracts with multi~billion dollar corporations, you must first hire a multi~billion dollar attorney to translate the fine print.
When did cellular providers get so powerful anyhow?
Oh yeah, when we decided to "let" them by shrugging off their whittling away at our rights as the clients who pour millions into their pockets.
I say more people should contest the slow and methodical "tweaking" that surely will lead to a big brother net situation.
yes.
kidrythm said:
I get it, in order to sign contracts with multi~billion dollar corporations, you must first hire a multi~billion dollar attorney to translate the fine print.
When did cellular providers get so powerful anyhow?
Oh yeah, when we decided to "let" them by shrugging off their whittling away at our rights as the clients who pour millions into their pockets.
I say more people should contest the slow and methodical "tweaking" that surely will lead to a big brother net situation.
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But dude, you are still getting unlimited data... Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
Download movies on your computer maybe?
Either way, you can't argue that you aren't getting unlimited data because you in fact are. They aren't cutting off your data once you hit 5GB or charging you more money when you go over 5GB. How is this a breach of contract?
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But dude, you are still getting unlimited data... Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
Download movies on your computer maybe?
Either way, you can't argue that you aren't getting unlimited data because you in fact are. They aren't cutting off your data once you hit 5GB or charging you more money when you go over 5GB. How is this a breach of contract?
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Not a huge porn fan, but I do download a ****e ton of stuff from xda trying out all of the awesome cabs, and I do dig the youtube vidz of all things science/engineering/technology.
As far as arguing that my "unlimited" data plan is now "limited"to 5GB per month and how that is somehow not a breach of contract, well I am going to have to disagree with you.
The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
If they are going to throttle my usage, they can also deduct that lost speed from my monthly bill.
In a nutshell, I am no longer getting what I signed up for 7 months ago but per my contract I am still expected to pay the same amount.
Or fork over mad cheddar to bail from the contract...don't know about you but it was $lightly terrifying for me $igning onto a premium package and a $et up like this for 2 more years.
Business expense, but still My Wife would be peeved to know it cost me $300 to pay another $300 for the ETF.
Money isn't my bestest friend...but dangit, Transformers looked SO good!!
My guess is that Tmo failed to prepare their network properly to meet the needs of the Fvckton of new clients that will rush into the HD7, and this was a hail Mary move. The timing seems about right in line with the upcoming release of the latest wondertoy.
I mean heck, what can anyone do? Complain? Whoopee, plenty of other tmo/xda members will pipe up and put them in their place.
amirite?
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.
kidrythm said:
Not a huge porn fan, but I do download a ****e ton of stuff from xda trying out all of the awesome cabs, and I do dig the youtube vidz of all things science/engineering/technology.
As far as arguing that my "unlimited" data plan is now "limited"to 5GB per month and how that is somehow not a breach of contract, well I am going to have to disagree with you.
The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
If they are going to throttle my usage, they can also deduct that lost speed from my monthly bill.
In a nutshell, I am no longer getting what I signed up for 7 months ago but per my contract I am still expected to pay the same amount.
Or fork over mad cheddar to bail from the contract...don't know about you but it was $lightly terrifying for me $igning onto a premium package and a $et up like this for 2 more years.
Business expense, but still My Wife would be peeved to know it cost me $300 to pay another $300 for the ETF.
Money isn't my bestest friend...but dangit, Transformers looked SO good!!
My guess is that Tmo failed to prepare their network properly to meet the needs of the Fvckton of new clients that will rush into the HD7, and this was a hail Mary move. The timing seems about right in line with the upcoming release of the latest wondertoy.
I mean heck, what can anyone do? Complain? Whoopee, plenty of other tmo/xda members will pipe up and put them in their place.
amirite?
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.
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Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.
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Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.
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All I do is use the internet a lot throughout the day looking at news and sports sites and my bill says I use 5GB a week. I don't download anything. Why buy a G2 if you just want to make phone calls?
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Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.
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I recieved a text 3 days ago.
I browse the net, and post regularly on quite a few forums. The only thing I can think of that kills it is downloading the themes etc. from forums directly to the phone.
I checked my account and it reads 0 due to that pesky unlimited data plan, and tmo has no way of compiling my total usage into a nice round #. All they see on their system is my entire usage broken down into individual "visits" to the network. Yeah, I almost insisted that she break out the calcuator and get to addin'!
Like I said, they seem a bit out of their element having just launched this new system.
Not one rep could offer anything more than an apology for not having more info when I went through my list of straight forward, and comprehensive inquiries.
What bothers me, among other things is the lack of transparency on their part in the form of the inability to answer simple questions. How can I be sure that they are capping at 5gb, or find out what speed have I been lowered to?
For all I know they are making up the rules as we're plowing down this dark gravel road to unknown parts.
A free speedtest could offer better data than the company I am paying good money to, and that is pretty jacked up.
To answer your question, I have no idea how I hit 5gb 1 week shy of my billing cycle ending.
And with no way to keep tabs, it looks like my Leo will be collecting a bit more dust in the future...I'd hate to blow the cap 2 weeks in.
Youtube vids now take 4 min. to load a 56 sec. clip.
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All I do is use the internet a lot throughout the day looking at news and sports sites and my bill says I use 5GB a week. I don't download anything. Why buy a G2 if you just want to make phone calls?
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Dayum, you got me beat!
This is one competition where I really don't mind being last...
How is your browsing experience with the throttling applied?
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The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.
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i guarantee that the contract you signed in no way states what speed of service they will provide. that would be impossible to tmobile to hold upto, what about all the people paying the same price for their data service as you, but they are stuck in areas still only served by edge or god forbid gprs service?
Yes these service areas still exist, i personally experienced them on a road trip over the summer. 1 bar of gprs service in a cabin in north mississippi is real fun. i guess by your logic tmobile owes me a billing credit because i couldn't get 3g service while on the road for a week
i really cant fathom how you exceed 5g without downloading movies/music on your phone
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i guarantee that the contract you signed in no way states what speed of service they will provide. that would be impossible to tmobile to hold upto, what about all the people paying the same price for their data service as you, but they are stuck in areas still only served by edge or god forbid gprs service?
Yes these service areas still exist, i personally experienced them on a road trip over the summer. 1 bar of gprs service in a cabin in north mississippi is real fun. i guess by your logic tmobile owes me a billing credit because i couldn't get 3g service while on the road for a week
i really cant fathom how you exceed 5g without downloading movies/music on your phone
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If I left an area where service was solid, that would be one thing.
I am in K.C. where the service rivals Sprint's due to their "campus" being located here.
3 1/2 bars since day 1, another "issue" I have...
No movies (not til I pony up for coreplayer), and as far as music, the speaker sux bawls on the Leo and earbuds irritate me.
Just regular usage rivaling that of my average daily p.c. surfing was before I got my htc hd2 set up.
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Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
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I'm surprised his privates didn't fall off before he hit 5GB
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I'm surprised his privates didn't fall off before he hit 5GB
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wow, thanks for posting.
"privates"?
being 11 years old is a confusing, and yet exciting time!
now run along the adults are talking.
Anyways, after that lasts dumb post. I agree with the others up top, with the data cap instated, you are still getting data, just at a slower rate. No where in your contract does it state that what speeds you will recieve using mobile data, only that your access to mobile data is unlimited.
http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news...-lawsuit-clearwire-cant-deliver-the-goods.ars
ireless operator Clearwire has had a bumpy few months, and now things are getting worse. A lawsuit has been filed by 15 users over the company's throttling practices, accusing Clearwire of not delivering advertised "high-speed Internet" services to customers and charging them termination fees when they walk away unsatisfied. The group even says that Clearwire is engaging in a Ponzi scheme by selling service that it can't deliver in hopes of raking in enough money later to build out its network.
Customers began complaining in mid-2010 that Clearwire had begun to throttle their home Internet connections, sometimes as slow as 256Kbps. It wasn't clear (ba-dum ching) at the time as to what standard Clearwire was using in order to trigger the throttling—some users were told about monthly usage caps while others were simply told that there were certain times of day in which the network would be congested. Customers were frustrated at this lack of transparency, and complaints began piling up all over the Web.
In October, Clearwire finally began clarifying how and when it decides to throttle the network, with one spokesperson saying that Clearwire tries to relieve network congestion by throttling. He added that the carrier treats everyone equally and that it doesn't target specific applications, but it didn't offer details on the triggers or how long the throttling sessions last.
Clearwire's customers are now taking the carrier to task over its ambiguity. The complaint, filed earlier this month, focuses heavily on Clearwire's advertising, which not only highlights the speed of the connection ("all but two of Clearwire's plans propose a minimum Internet speed of 1.0Mbps"), but also the fact that there are no limits on data usage.
"Usage is unlimited—believe it. You can upload, download, and surf as much as you want for one low price with any of the CLEAR Internet plans. We don't slow down your connection—the way some Internet providers do—if we think you are using too much bandwidth," the complaint quotes from Clearwire's website. (That text appears to have been removed at the time of publication).
The complaint goes on to theorize why Clearwire would purposely mislead its customers, and the conclusion is that it wanted to grow its network "in the face of well-publicized financial pressure." (Clearwire revealed in November of last year that it will likely run out of cash by mid-2011.) "Thus, rather than limiting its subscribers to a number that its broadband infrastructure can accommodate—such that Clearwire can make good on its representations regarding high-speed service and capacity—Clearwire signed up many more subscribers than it could handle so as to maximize revenue and profit," allege the Plaintiffs.
That's where the supposed Ponzi scheme comes in. The Plaintiffs accuse Clearwire of selling subscriptions it can't support in hopes of building out its network sometime in the future to "make good on its promises." (That's not exactly the traditional definition of a Ponzi scheme, as each customer would have to be considered an investor who recruits other investors to pay into the scheme, but we get the point.) As a result, Clearwire is accused of violating advertising and fair trade practices in six separate states with possibly more on the way, as the Plaintiffs are looking to get the suit elevated to class-action status.
The whole drama gives us flashbacks to the Comcast throttling debacle, which itself generated a class-action suit that was eventually settled for $16 million. The difference, however, is that Comcast was found to be specifically targeting Bittorrent when it began throttling back customers' connections, whereas Clearwire maintains that it is content- and application-neutral.
That's largely within the FCC's latest net neutrality rules, though Clearwire has done a poor job of transparency. By comparison, Verizon also began throttling its wireless data connections this year, but made a point of offering specific details on the kinds of users and content that it targets, as well as what it does to "optimize" content flowing through its network. Verizon users have not been thrilled about the change, but the uproar has been kept to a minimum in part due to Verizon's being proactive in informing customers.
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Interesting read. I'm not surprised at all.
I agree, pretty interesting. Good find.
Damn, this might be the nail in the coffin for Clearwire
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This is why I dont get why people are actually happy about the fact that Sprint is going to continue dealing with them for 4G rather than going LTE. I mean its a given at some point Clear is going to go bottom up. Sprint knows it too so I guess their plan is to wait it out and buy the network for cheap.
Also, the Clearwire CEO resigned today..
Not looking good for 'em. I certainly wouldn't sign up if I was a customer considering it.
Clearwire CEO Steps Down
Interesting times for Clearwire.
So, what I'm seeing here is... I'm never, ever seeing 4G on my EVO...
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So, what I'm seeing here is... I'm never, ever seeing 4G on my EVO...
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Correct, you are not going to see any expanding availability areas till they are bought out and we have a successful company to continue roll outs.
Does Sprint have enough money to buy Clearwire and build out it's network or are they going to sell some of it off to get money?
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Does Sprint have enough money to buy Clearwire and build out it's network or are they going to sell some of it off to get money?
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i think sprint own's 54% of clear wires stocks
im unable to post the url for Clearwire's corporate site but it
looks like they got themselves a replacement.
I should join on this ****. Lately i've been getting like 20-30kb/sec speeds in bursts of a few hours, and then comes back up to 300-400.
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I should join on this ****. Lately i've been getting like 20-30kb/sec speeds in bursts of a few hours, and then comes back up to 300-400.
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Are you referring to your home internet service?
yep. Apparantly the place i live at, is neither supported by verizon or at&t. they are blaming each other saying the other one is the local provider (even though my neighbor who is less than 30 yards to the right has verizon as their isp). So the only provider I can use at my house is Clear. I go from downloading a file from servers at 400kbsec to 10. And then after i stop downloading, the speed goes back to normal.
Don't even think about downloading more than 1gb+ files.
Not to mention the fact that they have "dynamic" ip addresses, when I've had the same ip for the past 2 years. Apparently their servers decide when I need a new ip, and then they assign it. Their tech don't even know that, thats called static, not dynamic.
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yep. Apparantly the place i live at, is neither supported by verizon or at&t. they are blaming each other saying the other one is the local provider (even though my neighbor who is less than 30 yards to the right has verizon as their isp). So the only provider I can use at my house is Clear. I go from downloading a file from servers at 400kbsec to 10. And then after i stop downloading, the speed goes back to normal.
Don't even think about downloading more than 1gb+ files.
Not to mention the fact that they have "dynamic" ip addresses, when I've had the same ip for the past 2 years. Apparently their servers decide when I need a new ip, and then they assign it. Their tech don't even know that, thats called static, not dynamic.
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Thats a shame, if I were you I would definately look into getting in on that action. Something aint right somewhere.
You are correct. Sprint already owns a majority of Clearwire. That's why they went with WiMaxx in the first place. The infrastructure is nearly identical to LTE though. From what I've been told even the protocol is relatively similar, so I would say you'll still see them push out the infrastructure since it's probably going to support the transition and eventual migration to LTE anyway.
Well if Clear and it's accompanying network goes in the dump, all I'm asking for is the $10 in my monthly price. When Clear eventually goes, we already know Sprint is interested in LTE rather than Wimax. I'm just waiting for the day I cross the 4 out of my Evo 4g.
Yes I can see the consequences of this lawsuit: Lawyers get their lion's share of the money, affected users get a one time $10 credit and sprint jacks up.prices for everyone including those that had nothing to do with the suit and wont do **** to improve 4g
Way to guys, way to go...
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Yes I can see the consequences of this lawsuit: Lawyers get their lion's share of the money, affected users get a one time $10 credit and sprint jacks up.prices for everyone including those that had nothing to do with the suit and wont do **** to improve 4g
Way to guys, way to go...
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It still doesn't mean that clearwire was right in what they are doing. This just brought light to the situation
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http://www.ktla.com/business/sns-rt-us-sprint-4gtre7ao1o9-20111125,0,4531202.story
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Doesnt surprise me. It will come sooner or later, always knew that.
Currently Sprint's 4G is run off a third party network and the same can be said for the majority of the new 4G LTE rolling out. So Sprint's actual network will remain relatively unchanged aside from some faster 3G speeds after the upgrades.
People speculated the iPhone would cripple Sprint's network on data but when the majority of Sprint's iPhones users switched from Android the network usage stayed basically the same. Thats where AT&T screwed and lied to the customers saying the excessive use of the iPhone was the reason for the tiered plans.
Data use is data use regardless of iPhone or Android.
I don't think its gonna happen any time in the next 12 - 18 months, Dan is still putting out new commercials bragging about unlimited, its sprints only real advantage over the competition, and just because some "analyst" who doesn't even work for Sprint thinks its gonna happen doesn't mean spit. Especially using switching to LTE as his justification, they didn't drop it when they added wimax why would the drop it because of LTE? Makes no real sense, if they went tiered they'd be shooting their own foot off, how many people would stay if they lost the only reason most of us are on Sprint? I think the person who wrote that article must be mad he signed with Verizon last year for unlimited data and big red shoved it up his ass this summer *shrugs*
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I think the person who wrote that article must be mad he signed with Verizon last year for unlimited data and big red shoved it up his ass this summer *shrugs*
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That made my night, i almost spit my drink onto my laptop from laughing.
I fully expect sprint to eventually end unlimited data, hopefully I can get
grandfathered in on a somewhat future-proof phone before that time. If not,
let the chips fall where they may, because we can't control their decisions,
except with our wallets..and large corporations rarely listen to the paying
customer 'till they get desperate. I'm still contemplating switching to a prepay,
if I can find one with a decent phone, or find one that lets me take my existing
devices with me. Besides, killing iDen, and using that spectrum, plus offloading
some of LTE onto Clearwire's bandwidth will help a little. I don't see Clearwire
complaining a whole lot over the deal, since that means Sprint has no choice
but to keep them afloat in a worst case scenario.
TBH big red really effed my mom a few months back, they set her up with a new plan claiming it would reduce her bill buy 75 a month, her bill was about 275 at that time. Since then her bill has been 400 a month every month and they refuse to fix it. They also sold her devices that were incompatible with her plan and refused to allow her to return them. She's actually contemplating suing them for fraudulent sales practices, its been a nightmare and she's been a customer with them since 1995 pretty ridiculous practices to screw the customer if u ask me
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it's all about marketing and money....
let's see what's happened over time.
1. smartphones come out advertising about how you can use your phone to watch videos and all kinds of other data intensive uses.
2. all the carriers offer unlimited data plans because of all these cool things you can do with them.. no one would have bought them in the first place if they knew they would be metered
3. their networks start to suffer from all the subscribers they've successfully marketed to buy these phones that do all this cool stuff
4. after everyone's bought a smartphone, suddenly the carriers drop the unlimited plans and start charging high prices for small amounts of data, but continue to market you watching videos, making video calls and streaming all this crap.
5. sprint comes out with a novel idea, it starts charging $10 extra just to own a smartphone.. it's reasoning... it can be used to watch videos and other things that suck up data. The very things that all the carriers have been advertising on why you should get a smartphone in the first place.
When you look back, it really sucks the big one. They come out with smartphones and tell everyone all the great things it can do, thus getting millions of people to buy a smartphone. Go crazy everyone, after all, the plans are unlimited, see how cool smartphones are?
Once everyone's bought a phone.. NOW it's time to start cutting everything back that they used to get you to buy the phone in the first place.
It just pisses me off. It's the ole bait and switch. Hey everyone.. check out these cool phones! Look at all these things you can do with them. They market the phones encourgaing you to do all the things that suck up lots of data. Now they've sold everyone a phone, now it's the ole... "I'm sorry, all these people are using their phones doing the things we marketed them to for, but because you're using them that way, we just don't have any bandwidth anymore, so we're going to start charging you by the gig now. And Sprint says.. "hey, we're going to charge you a extra $10 buck a month, just because your phone can do all these wonderful things. Which is why you bought it in the first place
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ItsLasher said:
Currently Sprint's 4G is run off a third party network and the same can be said for the majority of the new 4G LTE rolling out. So Sprint's actual network will remain relatively unchanged aside from some faster 3G speeds after the upgrades.
People speculated the iPhone would cripple Sprint's network on data but when the majority of Sprint's iPhones users switched from Android the network usage stayed basically the same. Thats where AT&T screwed and lied to the customers saying the excessive use of the iPhone was the reason for the tiered plans.
Data use is data use regardless of iPhone or Android.
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Agree 100% ItsLasher.. When ATT changed midway through my contract and tried to screw me with their new pricing/tiers I told them they could shove it over principle. Cancelled my landline (home phone) prior to that over high costs and fees for just local service.
Seems like there is always an excuse for higher prices and tiers.. some kind of .. Its for the children will be next excuse.. LOL
It didnt take a rocket scientist to see how badly ATT was getting ready to screw folks so I sold both iphone 3s, paid early termination to ATT and went to Sprint for 2 EVOs. Best move I have made.. knock on wood.
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The article was written from the standpoint of the analyst. The writer gives all the bad and dramatic news first, which is from the opinion of the analyst. Then proceeds to wedge in one or two comments from Sprint. I can't quote statistics, but I will bet their customer base grew each time both Verizon and ATT changed their pricing policies. Being the third largest already, and the only provider left to offer unlimited, Sprint MUST know they can't change that. Their network isn't expansive enough.
Another thought occurred to me. Content providers must take notice of these changes. They should be tracking network traffic to know who is using the most bandwidth. I read that Netflix accounts for over 70% of cell network traffic. Even if the real figure is less, which it probably is, att and Verizon customers are telling their kids to wait until there is a Wi-Fi access point while Sprint kids are cruising with Netflix on every grocery run. I'd be willing to bet donuts to demographics there are more families with kids at Sprint too because of their pricing policy. If they change it the will lose every market advantage they have.
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Another thought occurred to me. Content providers must take notice of these changes. They should be tracking network traffic to know who is using the most bandwidth. I read that Netflix accounts for over 70% of cell network traffic. Even if the real figure is less, which it probably is, att and Verizon customers are telling their kids to wait until there is a Wi-Fi access point while Sprint kids are cruising with Netflix on every grocery run. I'd be willing to bet donuts to demographics there are more families with kids at Sprint too because of their pricing policy. If they change it the will lose every market advantage they have.
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Exactly my point, why would they get rid of their one selling point? It's like having one good hand and one gimped up hand and amputating the good hand thinking its gonna make the gimped one work better. Eliminating unlimited would probably end sprint for.good so many customers would run so far so fast it would more than likely bankrupt them.
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I totally agree, Sprint would severely be crippled if they got rid of the unlimited data plans. I would rather pay an extra 5 or 10 dollars a month but keep my unlimited data then be capped, as for most people they wouldn't want to pay more money, which I can understand as well. It is a double edged sword. Only time will tell, although where I live I don't get 4g service, so honestly I think Sprint should concentrate on getting 4g in more areas as opposed to upgrading to 4gLTE. That would stimulate more customers switching to Sprint. In my area Sprint is the only carrier without 4g service so a lot of my friends and coworkers use the other carriers. Whereas if Sprint had 4g I'm sure most of my friends would switch, because even tho they pay more with ATT, Verizon, and T-Mobile. Sprint doesn't have 4g here so all the phones they want really don't serve much of a purpose to them without 4g. I really don't care about 4g just like the price, plus get I discount thru my employer for Sprint
From today's Huffington Post...
NEW YORK (AP) — Comcast Corp., the country's largest Internet service provider, is going to start charging extra when customers go over a certain monthly data limit.
That limit, however, is very high, starting at 300 gigabytes for basic Internet plans. Only 1 percent of U.S. Internet users use that much data in a month, according a measurement firm.
Comcast Corp. said Thursday that it will test charging $10 for every 50 gigabytes over that limit.
Comcast has previously limited use to 250 gigabytes per month, but hasn't charged those who exceed that limit. Instead, it's warned them, and threatened repeat offenders with cancellation of their service.
Other home Internet service providers like Time Warner Cable and AT&T have experimented with lower data caps and charges for going over limits, but abandoned those after meeting fierce resistance from consumers and politicians.
Internet service providers say they need to have some sort of cap to prevent "data hogs" from slowing down service for everyone.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/comcast-fee-download_n_1524838.html?ref=technology
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It's just a matter of time until they all go down this road.
Thank you AT&T and now verizon for giving home ISP's this idea.
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From today's Huffington Post...
It's just a matter of time until they all go down this road.
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I have a strong feeling that these "data hogs" aren't actually anywhere near as bad as they claim; they're just trying to nickel-and-dime their customers to make a few extra bucks that they will probably never put back into their network.
If so few people are actually exceeding this it doesn't seem necessary.
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I have a strong feeling that these "data hogs" aren't actually anywhere near as bad as they claim; they're just trying to nickel-and-dime their customers to make a few extra bucks that they will probably never put back into their network.
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What would they make if everbody Skyped and no one used traditional phone or cell service? What would they make if everybody used Netflix and not tradional cable for TV?
This is partially a defensive posture to retain their traditional business and thwart alternatives. SMS on the decline thanks to IP chats.
This also gradually "herds" people towards pricing schemes that work for them. Look at the vitriol re: unlimited. Slow steady erosion makes it easier for the masses to accept than hitting them all at once.
Thank the banks and credit card companies for this strategy.
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What would they make if everbody Skyped and no one used traditional phone or cell service? What would they make if everybody used Netflix and not tradional cable for TV?
This is partially a defensive posture to retain their traditional business and thwart alternatives. SMS on the decline thanks to IP chats.
This also gradually "herds" people towards pricing schemes that work for them. Look at the vitriol re: unlimited. Slow steady erosion makes it easier for the masses to accept than hitting them all at once.
Thank the banks and credit card companies for this strategy.
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They would still make their damn $50-$80 a month per customer from providing internet service.
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They would still make their damn $50-$80 a month per customer from providing internet service.
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While providing less internet service is the key.
They want to 'service' (read; bill) more people without having to pay more for increased load on networks.
They want greater customer base, greater earnings, without greater overhead (cost of supporting customers)
Great business move, ****ty service move.
Suddenlink announced this in Feb.
http://sporadiclucidity.com/2012/02/22/suddenlink-jumps-on-the-data-cap-train/