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I have a feeling......
Though, this is definitely a much better route to follow then simply capping the data for these fools that want to test how "unlimited" unlimited really is... idiots.
http://www.talkandroid.com/17660-t-...ing-data-usage-over-5gb-beginning-october-16/
Even when i tethered extensively during my summer vacation this year, i still came nowhere NEAR 5gb. i think i maxed out at 3gb. 5 seems reasonable. I like that a lot better then a 100mb etc cap.
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Even when i tethered extensively during my summer vacation this year, i still came nowhere NEAR 5gb. i think i maxed out at 3gb. 5 seems reasonable. I like that a lot better then a 100mb etc cap.
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For those of us with "premium data", I think 5GB is too low. I'm NOT looking for a "stupid fee" argument, nor am I complaining about it. I think of it like animal farm. We are just more equal than others.
I can reach over 5gb without any tethering. I just can't wait until other companies put out their prices for 4g so people can stop complaining about the $10, but still cheaper than every other company, charge. Verizon is supposed to be releasing that soon
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Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
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TREmp77 said:
Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
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Problem is unlimited cost money and customers abuse.
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Problem is unlimited cost money and customers abuse.
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If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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DirtyShroomz does not understand this concept at ALL.
He thinks that it "costs money" when yes - it "costs money" but the reality of the situation is corporations want to make more money off the smart phone craze. You don't "buy" kilobytes and megabytes when companies like Sprint have their own ISP backbone. Essentially, it does not cost them anymore to have customers use the supplies they are providing - they just want to charge extra.
You're right - unlimited means unlimited.
Maybe Sprint will stay Unlimited and will get more customers from ticked off customers of the other companies. I would like to see Sprint become more embracing of Android and data users. Now if we could get Sprint to unlock Bluetooth transfers to other phones. In the 6 years I've been with them I have not once ever gotten Bluetooth to work with another phone.
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If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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The phone companies are the backbone of the internet. Sure they are not the only ones but there is a very good chance they are the ones who are getting paid when you use your local cable companies internet.
Of course they could always argue that bandwidth used by you is bandwidth that is not being sold to someone else, it just depends on which route is more profitable for them.
With these Changes Tmo is going to impose
would it be wrong for me to state we can use this to cancel our contract with a waived fee due to change in contract terms that weight against my current situation?
If so I need to cancel this line asap...
Sure, SOME people may "Abuse" the unlimited cap, but let's think about this....
If there are 100,000 subscribers paying $10 a month extra for the "Unlimited" usage, that's $1,000,000 that Sprint is taking in.
If 5,000 of those people use DOUBLE the 5Gb that Sprint thinks is "acceptable usage", and the other 95,000 use under the 5Gb per month, Sprint is STILL making a HUGE profit.
obviously, these are figurative numbers, as I have no idea how many people have Evo's and Epics being charged the $10 "Premium Fee".
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This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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You blew my analogy out of proportion, first of all, i never been to a all you can eat buffet and expect to be able to eat unlimited food forever, but i know, i was never told, we are going to cap your plate limit at 7 plates, and if you eat over that you will get thrown out, I paid for my set fee to give me access to the buffet, I expect to eat until im full. Not until the restaurant thinks im full.
Maybe they should just up the unlimited price to a higher amount. I myself wish I could pay a little bit less since I apparently never use even a gig. So sprint how about making tier plans for this. Thats the entire problem with unlimited usage plans, regular users pay the same amount as the heavy users. Oh well no need to worry people who complain about all these extra $10 for 4G premium still need to realize that as of right now Sprint does have one of the cheapest best overall value for what you are paying no?
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I can reach over 5gb without any tethering. I just can't wait until other companies put out their prices for 4g so people can stop complaining about the $10, but still cheaper than every other company, charge. Verizon is supposed to be releasing that soon
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I'm with you man, even with the $10 fee my plan is still at least $40 cheaper than anything comparable from AT&T, Verizon, or TMo. Factor in my 23% discount and there's no question.
notasimpleway said:
Maybe Sprint will stay Unlimited and will get more customers from ticked off customers of the other companies. I would like to see Sprint become more embracing of Android and data users. Now if we could get Sprint to unlock Bluetooth transfers to other phones. In the 6 years I've been with them I have not once ever gotten Bluetooth to work with another phone.
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Since when are Bluetooth transfers locked? In fact just yesterday I transferred a file from one EVO to another using bluetooth. I've done it many times between EVOs, between evo and blackberry, and between evo and palm devices with no problems.
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You blew my analogy out of proportion, first of all, i never been to a all you can eat buffet and expect to be able to eat unlimited food forever, but i know, i was never told, we are going to cap your plate limit at 7 plates, and if you eat over that you will get thrown out, I paid for my set fee to give me access to the buffet, I expect to eat until im full. Not until the restaurant thinks im full.
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The issue is when people say stuff like this;
TREmp77 said:
Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
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without understanding what the issue is. Here’s the deal - the data is unlimited. As in absolutely and truly unlimited. This has nothing to do with the $10 fee either – the data is unlimited because of the Everything Data plans that the EVO requires. However, that data is only unlimited when you abide by the terms and conditions of the contract that you entered into when you started service. Among other things, this means that you get unlimited data as long as you’re on network, and if tethering, you’re paying the $29.99 fee for the hotspot feature. The term abuse comes into play because of all of the people who rooted to get free thethering, and use that to the extreme, either as their home internet, or just simply to see how much they can actually download in a month (as in 50-100+ GB/month). To go back to your analogy, all you can eat buffets are “all you can eat” as long as you follow the terms of the buffet – meaning you have to eat within the restaurant. They won’t allow you to back your truck up and load it with food from the buffet to take home.
And hey! Welcome back werx! I was wondering when you’d show up and start pointlessly calling people out again.
edit - and as a reminder, nobody has ever indicated that they were taking your unlimited data away. If the rates for unlimited data do change, or they decide to do away with it completely, that would apply to new customers sighning new contracts.
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This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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Companies want to make more money on overages. As these phones get more advanced you'll see more people using more data.
With faster speeds you're promoting more data traffic.
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Hey guys,
I work for sprint and from what i was told by our Sales Support people there is no cap on the evo or epic for data.
me no likey, especially being a leo user since April that was forced to sign an "unlimited" data plan...
unlimited to 5g...lol.
Okay? Seriously it's not that big of a deal, just cut back on data usage.
hardly spazzing out, just a bit peeved that the answer to lack of towers is to alter the service I am paying for and deserve.
rightly so per my contract...
maybe allow previous contracts expire that were signed before the throttling?
nah, for my $300 phone, and mandatory $30 month plan I deserve to be punished for assuming that the netty netzorz would be "unlimited".
it's not as if I want a red ferrari or one night with Angelina Jolie er nuthin'.
(this phone sees more net tham my p.c. btw)
tmo since 2005.
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Okay? Seriously it's not that big of a deal, just cut back on data usage.
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actually that's Tmo's answer to the problem instead of erecting more towers and honoring the contract I signed back in April...
"Sir, it's your fault we're too cheap to erect more towers, use less internet plz."
you missed your calling as a tmo phone jockey!
Agreed, we signed for a specific amount on our data plans. Now I hear I'm going to have half the data limit I signed for.
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Your data is still unlimited, you'll just be throttled to a slower speed once you exceed 5gb. So likely no different to the unlimited data you had before 3g was in existence.
I still think TMO's tiering/caping is the most reasonable in the industry. At least they aren't flat out cutting you off or hitting you up to pay for another 2gb bucket like other carriers. Though maybe an option to pay up to lift the cap would be a nice option for heavy users, but that might go down the slippery slope of them going that route and being like ATT rather than the throttling they are doing now
What would actually be nice is if they didnt just flat out throttle you at 5gb but throttle you with bursting ability. that way loading the quick email or light web page will still be snappy, but if you attempt any streaming or large downloads then you get throttled down.
What im curious about that hasn't been covered much is exactly what speed do you get throttled down to? do you still get 3g coverage, just throttled. or does the throttling turn off your ability yo use the 3g signals, leaving you stuck with edge coverage?
I may just have to test it out this billing cycle, and do some very large downloads the last couple days of my billing cycle and try to hit 5gb a couple days before my cycle resets and see just how bad it gets.
Although it blows to be the "victim" of a traditional "bait & switch" by a faceless corporation, I am still 3G but downloading pages at minimum 5+ seconds slower.
Terrible? No.
Unexpected due to expectations of "unlimited" use per my 2 year contract? Yup.
I realize that OTHER providers/carriers have always capped, but um, I am not with other providers/carriers.
Tmo advertised..."UNLIMITED NET USAGE" and as a paying client who signed a contract I expect to get what I originally signed up for.
Imho I'm not demanding anything more than what I signed up for.
What good are contracts with tmo for anyways? A way for them to strongarm you into coping with their ever changing policies, or pay the ETF and have a nice life???
I really despise the "sukz to be you" policy that tmo is acquiring...
kidrythm said:
Although it blows to be the "victim" of a traditional "bait & switch" by a faceless corporation, I am still 3G but downloading pages at minimum 5+ seconds slower.
Terrible? No.
Unexpected due to expectations of "unlimited" use per my 2 year contract? Yup.
I realize that OTHER providers/carriers have always capped, but um, I am not with other providers/carriers.
Tmo advertised..."UNLIMITED NET USAGE" and as a paying client who signed a contract I expect to get what I originally signed up for.
Imho I'm not demanding anything more than what I signed up for.
What good are contracts with tmo for anyways? A way for them to strongarm you into coping with their ever changing policies, or pay the ETF and have a nice life???
I really despise the "sukz to be you" policy that tmo is acquiring...
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Yeah i know it sucks as far as being stuck in a contract thinking you were getting one thing and getting something else
But as far as i see legally they are still holding up their end of the contract, you are still completely unlimited in your net access. They never advertised a set kbps or mbps of service they would provide. no internet provider does, unless youre talking about a leased business class line. All your home based broadband connections are advertised as "up to" whatever speed
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Yeah i know it sucks as far as being stuck in a contract thinking you were getting one thing and getting something else
But as far as i see legally they are still holding up their end of the contract, you are still completely unlimited in your net access. They never advertised a set kbps or mbps of service they would provide. no internet provider does, unless youre talking about a leased business class line. All your home based broadband connections are advertised as "up to" whatever speed
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I get it, in order to sign contracts with multi~billion dollar corporations, you must first hire a multi~billion dollar attorney to translate the fine print.
When did cellular providers get so powerful anyhow?
Oh yeah, when we decided to "let" them by shrugging off their whittling away at our rights as the clients who pour millions into their pockets.
I say more people should contest the slow and methodical "tweaking" that surely will lead to a big brother net situation.
yes.
kidrythm said:
I get it, in order to sign contracts with multi~billion dollar corporations, you must first hire a multi~billion dollar attorney to translate the fine print.
When did cellular providers get so powerful anyhow?
Oh yeah, when we decided to "let" them by shrugging off their whittling away at our rights as the clients who pour millions into their pockets.
I say more people should contest the slow and methodical "tweaking" that surely will lead to a big brother net situation.
yes.
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But dude, you are still getting unlimited data... Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
Download movies on your computer maybe?
Either way, you can't argue that you aren't getting unlimited data because you in fact are. They aren't cutting off your data once you hit 5GB or charging you more money when you go over 5GB. How is this a breach of contract?
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But dude, you are still getting unlimited data... Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
Download movies on your computer maybe?
Either way, you can't argue that you aren't getting unlimited data because you in fact are. They aren't cutting off your data once you hit 5GB or charging you more money when you go over 5GB. How is this a breach of contract?
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Not a huge porn fan, but I do download a ****e ton of stuff from xda trying out all of the awesome cabs, and I do dig the youtube vidz of all things science/engineering/technology.
As far as arguing that my "unlimited" data plan is now "limited"to 5GB per month and how that is somehow not a breach of contract, well I am going to have to disagree with you.
The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
If they are going to throttle my usage, they can also deduct that lost speed from my monthly bill.
In a nutshell, I am no longer getting what I signed up for 7 months ago but per my contract I am still expected to pay the same amount.
Or fork over mad cheddar to bail from the contract...don't know about you but it was $lightly terrifying for me $igning onto a premium package and a $et up like this for 2 more years.
Business expense, but still My Wife would be peeved to know it cost me $300 to pay another $300 for the ETF.
Money isn't my bestest friend...but dangit, Transformers looked SO good!!
My guess is that Tmo failed to prepare their network properly to meet the needs of the Fvckton of new clients that will rush into the HD7, and this was a hail Mary move. The timing seems about right in line with the upcoming release of the latest wondertoy.
I mean heck, what can anyone do? Complain? Whoopee, plenty of other tmo/xda members will pipe up and put them in their place.
amirite?
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.
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Not a huge porn fan, but I do download a ****e ton of stuff from xda trying out all of the awesome cabs, and I do dig the youtube vidz of all things science/engineering/technology.
As far as arguing that my "unlimited" data plan is now "limited"to 5GB per month and how that is somehow not a breach of contract, well I am going to have to disagree with you.
The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
If they are going to throttle my usage, they can also deduct that lost speed from my monthly bill.
In a nutshell, I am no longer getting what I signed up for 7 months ago but per my contract I am still expected to pay the same amount.
Or fork over mad cheddar to bail from the contract...don't know about you but it was $lightly terrifying for me $igning onto a premium package and a $et up like this for 2 more years.
Business expense, but still My Wife would be peeved to know it cost me $300 to pay another $300 for the ETF.
Money isn't my bestest friend...but dangit, Transformers looked SO good!!
My guess is that Tmo failed to prepare their network properly to meet the needs of the Fvckton of new clients that will rush into the HD7, and this was a hail Mary move. The timing seems about right in line with the upcoming release of the latest wondertoy.
I mean heck, what can anyone do? Complain? Whoopee, plenty of other tmo/xda members will pipe up and put them in their place.
amirite?
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.
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Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.
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Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.
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All I do is use the internet a lot throughout the day looking at news and sports sites and my bill says I use 5GB a week. I don't download anything. Why buy a G2 if you just want to make phone calls?
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Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.
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I recieved a text 3 days ago.
I browse the net, and post regularly on quite a few forums. The only thing I can think of that kills it is downloading the themes etc. from forums directly to the phone.
I checked my account and it reads 0 due to that pesky unlimited data plan, and tmo has no way of compiling my total usage into a nice round #. All they see on their system is my entire usage broken down into individual "visits" to the network. Yeah, I almost insisted that she break out the calcuator and get to addin'!
Like I said, they seem a bit out of their element having just launched this new system.
Not one rep could offer anything more than an apology for not having more info when I went through my list of straight forward, and comprehensive inquiries.
What bothers me, among other things is the lack of transparency on their part in the form of the inability to answer simple questions. How can I be sure that they are capping at 5gb, or find out what speed have I been lowered to?
For all I know they are making up the rules as we're plowing down this dark gravel road to unknown parts.
A free speedtest could offer better data than the company I am paying good money to, and that is pretty jacked up.
To answer your question, I have no idea how I hit 5gb 1 week shy of my billing cycle ending.
And with no way to keep tabs, it looks like my Leo will be collecting a bit more dust in the future...I'd hate to blow the cap 2 weeks in.
Youtube vids now take 4 min. to load a 56 sec. clip.
airoff8 said:
All I do is use the internet a lot throughout the day looking at news and sports sites and my bill says I use 5GB a week. I don't download anything. Why buy a G2 if you just want to make phone calls?
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Dayum, you got me beat!
This is one competition where I really don't mind being last...
How is your browsing experience with the throttling applied?
kidrythm said:
The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.
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i guarantee that the contract you signed in no way states what speed of service they will provide. that would be impossible to tmobile to hold upto, what about all the people paying the same price for their data service as you, but they are stuck in areas still only served by edge or god forbid gprs service?
Yes these service areas still exist, i personally experienced them on a road trip over the summer. 1 bar of gprs service in a cabin in north mississippi is real fun. i guess by your logic tmobile owes me a billing credit because i couldn't get 3g service while on the road for a week
i really cant fathom how you exceed 5g without downloading movies/music on your phone
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i guarantee that the contract you signed in no way states what speed of service they will provide. that would be impossible to tmobile to hold upto, what about all the people paying the same price for their data service as you, but they are stuck in areas still only served by edge or god forbid gprs service?
Yes these service areas still exist, i personally experienced them on a road trip over the summer. 1 bar of gprs service in a cabin in north mississippi is real fun. i guess by your logic tmobile owes me a billing credit because i couldn't get 3g service while on the road for a week
i really cant fathom how you exceed 5g without downloading movies/music on your phone
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If I left an area where service was solid, that would be one thing.
I am in K.C. where the service rivals Sprint's due to their "campus" being located here.
3 1/2 bars since day 1, another "issue" I have...
No movies (not til I pony up for coreplayer), and as far as music, the speaker sux bawls on the Leo and earbuds irritate me.
Just regular usage rivaling that of my average daily p.c. surfing was before I got my htc hd2 set up.
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Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
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I'm surprised his privates didn't fall off before he hit 5GB
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I'm surprised his privates didn't fall off before he hit 5GB
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wow, thanks for posting.
"privates"?
being 11 years old is a confusing, and yet exciting time!
now run along the adults are talking.
Anyways, after that lasts dumb post. I agree with the others up top, with the data cap instated, you are still getting data, just at a slower rate. No where in your contract does it state that what speeds you will recieve using mobile data, only that your access to mobile data is unlimited.
http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news...-lawsuit-clearwire-cant-deliver-the-goods.ars
ireless operator Clearwire has had a bumpy few months, and now things are getting worse. A lawsuit has been filed by 15 users over the company's throttling practices, accusing Clearwire of not delivering advertised "high-speed Internet" services to customers and charging them termination fees when they walk away unsatisfied. The group even says that Clearwire is engaging in a Ponzi scheme by selling service that it can't deliver in hopes of raking in enough money later to build out its network.
Customers began complaining in mid-2010 that Clearwire had begun to throttle their home Internet connections, sometimes as slow as 256Kbps. It wasn't clear (ba-dum ching) at the time as to what standard Clearwire was using in order to trigger the throttling—some users were told about monthly usage caps while others were simply told that there were certain times of day in which the network would be congested. Customers were frustrated at this lack of transparency, and complaints began piling up all over the Web.
In October, Clearwire finally began clarifying how and when it decides to throttle the network, with one spokesperson saying that Clearwire tries to relieve network congestion by throttling. He added that the carrier treats everyone equally and that it doesn't target specific applications, but it didn't offer details on the triggers or how long the throttling sessions last.
Clearwire's customers are now taking the carrier to task over its ambiguity. The complaint, filed earlier this month, focuses heavily on Clearwire's advertising, which not only highlights the speed of the connection ("all but two of Clearwire's plans propose a minimum Internet speed of 1.0Mbps"), but also the fact that there are no limits on data usage.
"Usage is unlimited—believe it. You can upload, download, and surf as much as you want for one low price with any of the CLEAR Internet plans. We don't slow down your connection—the way some Internet providers do—if we think you are using too much bandwidth," the complaint quotes from Clearwire's website. (That text appears to have been removed at the time of publication).
The complaint goes on to theorize why Clearwire would purposely mislead its customers, and the conclusion is that it wanted to grow its network "in the face of well-publicized financial pressure." (Clearwire revealed in November of last year that it will likely run out of cash by mid-2011.) "Thus, rather than limiting its subscribers to a number that its broadband infrastructure can accommodate—such that Clearwire can make good on its representations regarding high-speed service and capacity—Clearwire signed up many more subscribers than it could handle so as to maximize revenue and profit," allege the Plaintiffs.
That's where the supposed Ponzi scheme comes in. The Plaintiffs accuse Clearwire of selling subscriptions it can't support in hopes of building out its network sometime in the future to "make good on its promises." (That's not exactly the traditional definition of a Ponzi scheme, as each customer would have to be considered an investor who recruits other investors to pay into the scheme, but we get the point.) As a result, Clearwire is accused of violating advertising and fair trade practices in six separate states with possibly more on the way, as the Plaintiffs are looking to get the suit elevated to class-action status.
The whole drama gives us flashbacks to the Comcast throttling debacle, which itself generated a class-action suit that was eventually settled for $16 million. The difference, however, is that Comcast was found to be specifically targeting Bittorrent when it began throttling back customers' connections, whereas Clearwire maintains that it is content- and application-neutral.
That's largely within the FCC's latest net neutrality rules, though Clearwire has done a poor job of transparency. By comparison, Verizon also began throttling its wireless data connections this year, but made a point of offering specific details on the kinds of users and content that it targets, as well as what it does to "optimize" content flowing through its network. Verizon users have not been thrilled about the change, but the uproar has been kept to a minimum in part due to Verizon's being proactive in informing customers.
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Interesting read. I'm not surprised at all.
I agree, pretty interesting. Good find.
Damn, this might be the nail in the coffin for Clearwire
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This is why I dont get why people are actually happy about the fact that Sprint is going to continue dealing with them for 4G rather than going LTE. I mean its a given at some point Clear is going to go bottom up. Sprint knows it too so I guess their plan is to wait it out and buy the network for cheap.
Also, the Clearwire CEO resigned today..
Not looking good for 'em. I certainly wouldn't sign up if I was a customer considering it.
Clearwire CEO Steps Down
Interesting times for Clearwire.
So, what I'm seeing here is... I'm never, ever seeing 4G on my EVO...
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So, what I'm seeing here is... I'm never, ever seeing 4G on my EVO...
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Correct, you are not going to see any expanding availability areas till they are bought out and we have a successful company to continue roll outs.
Does Sprint have enough money to buy Clearwire and build out it's network or are they going to sell some of it off to get money?
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Does Sprint have enough money to buy Clearwire and build out it's network or are they going to sell some of it off to get money?
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i think sprint own's 54% of clear wires stocks
im unable to post the url for Clearwire's corporate site but it
looks like they got themselves a replacement.
I should join on this ****. Lately i've been getting like 20-30kb/sec speeds in bursts of a few hours, and then comes back up to 300-400.
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I should join on this ****. Lately i've been getting like 20-30kb/sec speeds in bursts of a few hours, and then comes back up to 300-400.
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Are you referring to your home internet service?
yep. Apparantly the place i live at, is neither supported by verizon or at&t. they are blaming each other saying the other one is the local provider (even though my neighbor who is less than 30 yards to the right has verizon as their isp). So the only provider I can use at my house is Clear. I go from downloading a file from servers at 400kbsec to 10. And then after i stop downloading, the speed goes back to normal.
Don't even think about downloading more than 1gb+ files.
Not to mention the fact that they have "dynamic" ip addresses, when I've had the same ip for the past 2 years. Apparently their servers decide when I need a new ip, and then they assign it. Their tech don't even know that, thats called static, not dynamic.
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yep. Apparantly the place i live at, is neither supported by verizon or at&t. they are blaming each other saying the other one is the local provider (even though my neighbor who is less than 30 yards to the right has verizon as their isp). So the only provider I can use at my house is Clear. I go from downloading a file from servers at 400kbsec to 10. And then after i stop downloading, the speed goes back to normal.
Don't even think about downloading more than 1gb+ files.
Not to mention the fact that they have "dynamic" ip addresses, when I've had the same ip for the past 2 years. Apparently their servers decide when I need a new ip, and then they assign it. Their tech don't even know that, thats called static, not dynamic.
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Thats a shame, if I were you I would definately look into getting in on that action. Something aint right somewhere.
You are correct. Sprint already owns a majority of Clearwire. That's why they went with WiMaxx in the first place. The infrastructure is nearly identical to LTE though. From what I've been told even the protocol is relatively similar, so I would say you'll still see them push out the infrastructure since it's probably going to support the transition and eventual migration to LTE anyway.
Well if Clear and it's accompanying network goes in the dump, all I'm asking for is the $10 in my monthly price. When Clear eventually goes, we already know Sprint is interested in LTE rather than Wimax. I'm just waiting for the day I cross the 4 out of my Evo 4g.
Yes I can see the consequences of this lawsuit: Lawyers get their lion's share of the money, affected users get a one time $10 credit and sprint jacks up.prices for everyone including those that had nothing to do with the suit and wont do **** to improve 4g
Way to guys, way to go...
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Yes I can see the consequences of this lawsuit: Lawyers get their lion's share of the money, affected users get a one time $10 credit and sprint jacks up.prices for everyone including those that had nothing to do with the suit and wont do **** to improve 4g
Way to guys, way to go...
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It still doesn't mean that clearwire was right in what they are doing. This just brought light to the situation
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I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?
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I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?
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Free tethering wasn't a feature you signed onto when you signed your contract. It was a nice little extra that Android provided which is clearly not what the carriers wanted and for which they now took away.
Did you see that Sprint just had a net loss of almost 850 million dollars... Despite a GAIN of 1 million subscribers. They have to do something lol.
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I was pissed about that as well, mostly because when I bought the phone the rep said it was a feature of the phone and since google was in charge of updates that sprint couldn't take it away. However, in another thread someone pointed out to me that tethering is an explicit violation of the terms of service agreement and the phone is subsidized by sprint so they are not really doing anything that you could sue them about. It is disappointing, but at least getting it back is easy through rooting.
Is this thread serious?
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the tethering app itself is there and still works, it does what the app is supposed to do. sprint how ever just disabled the connection on their end to accounts that dont have the add on........which is totally their right to do. while the app comes with the phone is free no one ever said the service was included
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Did you see that Sprint just had a net loss of almost 850 million dollars... Despite a GAIN of 1 million subscribers. They have to do something lol.
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More than 600,000 of those were in the prepaid sector. They actually had a net loss of more than 100,000 in the post paid sector.
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With Sprint I sort of understand the legitimacy of wanting to charge extra for tethering, since they have true unlimited data and people who tether regularly can use an assload of bandwidth. But the other carriers all cap their data plans and charge extra for tethering. That is bullcrap.
Just root your phone and install tether and stop complaining... it takes 5 seconds.
i dont use the tether and dont have any plans to, i agree that using the rooted one is all too easy (its what 99% of teh rest of the android population have to do).
BUT
i do believe its rather annoying that the nexus 1 came and went with free tethering, the nexus s is on so many different carriers domestic and international.. yet sprint is the first one to throw up a fit about tethering. not saying that its wrong for them to, just feeling like a red headed stepchild of the nexus s family.
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I sent an email to Dan Hesse (no im not gullable enough to think he is actually going to read it) asking why they took away the tethering feature with this update. I konw most of you are rooted here and this doesn't affect you but this was a big deal. I bought this phone for this reason and now it is gone, how is that legal? Anyone else want to get a class action lawsuit going?
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The free tether was not advertised as being free it was never writter or expressed. You just got a free bonus. IMO. Also the free tether was supposed to be remove on the update that occurred right after the phone was launched and it wasn't. I suggest rooting your phone its easy with an untold amount of benefits.
Does the removal of free tethering constitute as change in contract ? I would love to get out of my contract without penalty.
wow I love how people get up on a soapbox and complain without research first.
Free tethering was never offically free from sprint. So you want to cancel your contract/send emails/get red in the face over something that most people already knew.
get over it there are ways around these things which for the most part why we are all here to enhance our phones.
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Does the removal of free tethering constitute as change in contract ? I would love to get out of my contract without penalty.
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Read your contract and let me know if you see free tethering in there
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the tethering app itself is there and still works, it does what the app is supposed to do. sprint how ever just disabled the connection on their end to accounts that dont have the add on........which is totally their right to do. while the app comes with the phone is free no one ever said the service was included
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I thought the 2.3.5 update is what disable it? If so, that is hardly "on their end." It's on our end, inside our own hardware which we purchased.
Unless I am mistaken and they rolled out a network change at the exact same moment as a software change. But if they were magically blocking tethering from their end... then wouldn't it block our rooted tethering too?
I agree it's not the end of the world and rooted tether is easy. But I think it might be inaccurate to say an update to our phones is happening on their end.
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Read your contract and let me know if you see free tethering in there
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If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.
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If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.
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The DATA service to use the phone as a wireless hotspot/tether is an extra $29.99, whether we agree with that or not. If you don't think a contract is right then you don't sign it/use the service.
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If the purchase contract to my car said I couldn't drive it while chewing gum, I'd walk out of the dealer. If the purchase contracts for ALL cars said that, I'd buy one of them and then go home and break the terms.
Just because it's in the contract doesn't mean it is right. We pay for a DATA service to a piece of hardware. What we do with data that has been fed into that device is our own decision, morally and logically. Sprint does not govern the airwaves in my own house that originate from a piece of hardware I own.
In reality it's not a big deal, but in principle it is 100% wrong.
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Your fight is with congress. Verizon/at&t/comcast/etc they lobbied pretty hard so that net neutrality not be on wireless lines. So the government has allowed from now and out what can be defined as a data over wireless. So what if sprint wants to charge you extra on your contract for a smartphone when you want to use their network for serving up data for laptops/some use for Xbox live and stuff if it is needed so badly on the users end to have mobile data well.
So think about if sprint were to allow free tethering on all phones, well businesses would flock to them for company plans to cut costs, and the flocks of data whores out there that love to rack up data on their phones. Our network would blow, congestion please.
Sprint and wireless telcos don't govern all the airwaves in your own house just the frequencies they use to provide you with a service which at signing is for that piece of hardware you bought from them, then activated that hardware on their network.
This by no means is me getting angry with you but hopefully more people will read this and look this up and let the information flow out. Our government is to blame allowing this to happen. By allowing them to define mobile data is why we have to pay the most expensive data rates for texting and such.
Now imagine this verizon which is new kinda to home tv and high speed fiber to the home. Perhaps they use some of the lte network to start providing tv and home internet. Now they would have complete control over how you watch and your internet. Maybe they have to throttle your HD channels cause you've been watching to much HBO movies. Why not they will all tell you Netflix kills their backend but watching vod has no strain on the network.....I've been ranting for too long sorry
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So think about if sprint were to allow free tethering on all phones, well businesses would flock to them for company plans to cut costs, and the flocks of data whores out there that love to rack up data on their phones. Our network would blow, congestion please.
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Agreed 100%, but the issue is traffic, not tethering. If they want to limit traffic or introduce a tiered plan, that is fine (it might piss me off, but it is a rational right they have). It is rational to expect to pay per amount of data streamed to my device. But it is not rational to tell me what to do with data received on my end.
Replace DATA with WATER. If I pay the city for x amount of water per month, once it arrives on my doorstep, can they charge me more if I add plumbing in my house that transports it to the backyard, or my basement? Or install an extra faucet in a guest bedroom?
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The DATA service to use the phone as a wireless hotspot/tether is an extra $29.99, whether we agree with that or not. If you don't think a contract is right then you don't sign it/use the service.
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Please see my example above about water.
If every single water company in town told you it was $50 per month to get 200 gallons of water piped to your house, but there would be a $30 surcharge (for the same amount) if you had more than 2 faucets in your house, would you:
(a) Tell them about all 4 of your faucets and pay $80
(b) Tell them you have 2 faucets and pay $50
If (a), then I question your thought processes. Common wisdom (in my mind at least) is that it is a citizen's duty to disobey unjust rules. Yes, I am being overdramatic here, and no a contract from Sprint is not a law. But it leans on the law (as the post above mentions), and ALL providers lean on that same unjust law...
http://gizmodo.com/verizon-is-booting-8-500-rural-customers-over-data-use-1818476496/amp,
Out where we are, there is no wifi, so we rely on the unlimited plans and tether. We do use a lot of data but the closest house to us is a half mile away. Been with Verizon over 20 years. My state is included in the list, so just waiting for the boot.
What are your thought's?
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http://gizmodo.com/verizon-is-booting-8-500-rural-customers-over-data-use-1818476496/amp,
Out where we are, there is no wifi, so we rely on the unlimited plans and tether. We do use a lot of data but the closest house to us is a half mile away. Been with Verizon over 20 years. My state is included in the list, so just waiting for the boot.
What are your thought's?
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Well, it's no fun, but they're no charity. If it's costing them money then so be it. I think people often mistake carriers for governments. Carriers are private companies who have no requirement to provide charity data. That''s my thoughts.
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Well, it's no fun, but they're no charity. If it's costing them money then so be it. I think people often mistake carriers for governments. Carriers are private companies who have no requirement to provide charity data. That''s my thoughts.
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I pay Verizon over 400 a month for unlimited data which was guaranteed to me more than 12 years ago so I don't see where they are a charity.
Appreciate your thoughts though.
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I pay Verizon over 400 a month for unlimited data which was guaranteed to me more than 12 years ago so I don't see where they are a charity.
Appreciate your thoughts though.
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I think you're saying it was guaranteed to you might be a little erroneous. The reality is, that carriers don't guarantee anything to anyone. They have clauses in their contracts to allow things such as this to occur, when they see fit. As such, I think that's a dangerous position for people to take. About the only thing guaranteed in this world are taxes and death. While the Constitution affords theoretical protections against various things even that's up to interpretation. You're correct, I was saying that they're absolutely not a charity. I think you just solidified my point. They're a profitable Corporation, and have no obligation to be nice or fair to anybody. That's not true of just Verizon that's true of every carrier or any private sector company.
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I think you're saying it was guaranteed to you might be a little erroneous. The reality is, that carriers don't guarantee anything to anyone. They have clauses in their contracts to allow things such as this to occur, when they see fit. As such, I think that's a dangerous position for people to take. About the only thing guaranteed in this world are taxes and death. While the Constitution affords theoretical protections against various things even that's up to interpretation. You're correct, I was saying that they're absolutely not a charity. I think you just solidified my point. They're a profitable Corporation, and have no obligation to be nice or fair to anybody. That's not true of just Verizon that's true of every carrier or any private sector company.
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Tell me this, our closest neighbor is a half mile away and she is 84 hrs old. She used just under 12gb of data on an unlimited plan to watch Netflix and she got a notice as well as we did saying she overused and her speeds would be cut to 700 khz.
I understand what you are saying but it still doesn't make it right...
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Tell me this, our closest neighbor is a half mile away and she is 84 hrs old. She used just under 12gb of data on an unlimited plan to watch Netflix and she got a notice as well as we did saying she overused and her speeds would be cut to 700 khz.
I understand what you are saying but it still doesn't make it right...
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I don't disagree. It does suck.
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Well, it's no fun, but they're no charity. If it's costing them money then so be it. I think people often mistake carriers for governments. Carriers are private companies who have no requirement to provide charity data. That''s my thoughts.
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Hahahahahahahaha OMG really? PLEASE tell me your not that naiive
http://www.verizon.com/about/file/22819/download?token=7m9zCDca
(Find their financial report here if the above doesn't work
http://www.verizon.com/about/invest...2017-quarter-earnings-conference-call-webcast)
Verizon reported 4.3B in INCOME in q2 2017. Let's just be clear here. That means they made four point three BILLION dollars in three months earlier this year. That's. INCOME mind you, revenue minus expenses. As in take it to the bank money* in case you slept through finance class.
4.3B every 3 months in profit and they need to stick it to rual working class people?
Oh, and also VZW is a Telecom provider, and is actually classified as a company that does hold monopoly control of a utility in certain locations (your landline or broadband services in some places go through them or subsidiaries of them) so they actually ARE a little bit like a government as they are regulated and beholden to fair customer treatment in areas of their business.
Using the charity strawman in response to a global Telecom company. Wow. That's all I can say on a board like XDA about that.
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Yea nope.
* Yes I know that things come out of revenue and it's not pure profit but given that the comment indicated that giving a few thousand dollars would qualify VZW as a charity I simplified
If I would be a person living in a rural area, I would use Ubiquiti Loco M5 LAN bridges. Because one bridge works up to 5 miles and provide 100Mbit connection between two houses. Now, let's say only one person has internet in rural area, but using this bridge you can build your own network thru which you can share this person's one internet connection to as many houses as you like, as long as distance between them is less than 5 miles in open field. It is kinda illegal, because usually internet providers have a clause in a contract about "no reselling services", but as long as you not making money on it, and nobody knows, it is OK. Just a hint
After reading the article looks like it is for roaming not using their data. These are people that are not in Verizon main service area most of the time they are outside the Verizon service area and roam onto other networks which does cost them money!
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I think you're saying it was guaranteed to you might be a little erroneous. The reality is, that carriers don't guarantee anything to anyone. They have clauses in their contracts to allow things such as this to occur, when they see fit. As such, I think that's a dangerous position for people to take. About the only thing guaranteed in this world are taxes and death. While the Constitution affords theoretical protections against various things even that's up to interpretation. You're correct, I was saying that they're absolutely not a charity. I think you just solidified my point. They're a profitable Corporation, and have no obligation to be nice or fair to anybody. That's not true of just Verizon that's true of every carrier or any private sector company.
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I will second the guarantee about taxes and death...:good::good::good:
leroybrute said:
http://gizmodo.com/verizon-is-booting-8-500-rural-customers-over-data-use-1818476496/amp,
Out where we are, there is no wifi, so we rely on the unlimited plans and tether. We do use a lot of data but the closest house to us is a half mile away. Been with Verizon over 20 years. My state is included in the list, so just waiting for the boot.
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For $400 a month, you could easily switch to satellite (Hughes net) and save money.
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After reading the article looks like it is for roaming not using their data. These are people that are not in Verizon main service area most of the time they are outside the Verizon service area and roam onto other networks which does cost them money!
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Very good point! It is in their contract info that you have to use the majority of your data while on their network or something like this could happen.
Not saying it doesn't suck but maybe I'd figure out who is providing cell signal in the area, the actual provider and start talking to them.
I've been looking to upgrade my phone on gudp, I use an old lg G3 and last month I did about 500GB worth of data. Do any are you guys still have unlimited with your S8 and haven't been disconnected? They don't even offer the older sub upgrade prices for phones anymore and gudp went up, which fine I ported out other lines to total wireless and get the same network for way less. The irony is My VZW speeds are double to triple the speed on my wired connection which has a hidden data limit.