If I root my samsung fascinate... am I able to continuously update to the newer version of Android? Or does it require additional assistance from the good people of XDA? thank you in advance
Most likely will either not accept update or will lose root upon update.
That's what happened last time.
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so if new updates from google android comes out, even if I root the phone i can't just go and download the new version?
If all you do is install apparently that require root access, you should be fine. You'll just lose root access, and have to re-root afterward. If, however, you remove factory apps like Bing, or do any other OS modifications like the lag fix, there's a much bigger chance that the official updates will either fail, or cause problems. In that case, you either need to revert to stock before updating, or rely on xda developers to roll out customized versions of the updates that you can apply with your modifications in place.
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So, the "official update" from say verizon will not work as well if I remove all the bloat ware... however, a rooted phone will be able to take in updates from Google ANdroid...like 2.3 or 3.3 etc... with no issues?
Perhaps to clarify a little further, I wish to purchase the Fascinate and root it. In the future, as new Android versions come out, I would rather take the official Android versions by Google instead of the updates by Verizon. Much like the Tmobile G1, is this possible once rooted?
I understand this is rather a long post so I appreciate all the help. Thank you.
There are no Google updates vs. OEM updates released through the carriers. All updates are carrier-released, regardless of the source (OEM OR Google), and are model-specific, largely due to OEM OS customizations and differing hardware. The only phones that get pure Google updates OTA (somebody correct me if I'm wrong) are the ones that are released with a 100% stock Android ROM from the factory.
The only OTA updates you will get for the Fascinate will be from Verizon, and will require a stock ROM, and most likely will need all original apps in place. If you want the pure Google updates, you will need to install a custom ROM with those updates.
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Oh, and just to clarify, if you install a custom ROM that gives you pure stock Android, you will have to rely on the developer of that ROM to release updated versions that include the latest updates from Google. There are no OTA updates for custom ROMs, as they are not supported by Google, your carrier, or the phone manufacturer.
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The only phone that truly gets untouched virgin updates would be the Nexus One, and even then the drivers are added by HTC.
The Moto Droid I guess would be the next one to also, but its been so long since I used a purely stock version that I remember if Moto adds apps at Verizon's request.
All carriers request what features/bloatware to install/not install. They send said requests to OEM, which turns around and incorporates the requests, and adds their custom branding/widgets/etc to send back to the carrier for testing. The carrier then has its own internal testing to verify requests and make sure no new prevalent bugs pop up. No one at Verizon (or any carrier really) actually does any coding of any kind.
What the OEM's receive from Google may be what you consider a "pure ROM" with "hooks" built in so that the various OEM's can add their custom homescreen, bloatware, brand specific widgets, etc. But, with the source being released most likely what happens is that this job now falls upon the OEM's themselves to write in their own "hooks", as Google just pumps out strictly OS generic builds into the ASOP.
In which case, either Sammy or Moto or whoever pulls that and fixes whatever issues, or they have internal builds going (which is more likely) that they tinker with to fix issues.
I believe Moto does this as evidenced by the lettering of the builds. Seems like they go through builds nightly when they are working on an update for a phone. I wouldn't be surprised if Sammy was the same way.
Sorry to make this post so long. Hope this helps.
So, a phone has to be "rooted" to allow full control over the phone. In this mode, I am allowed to make changes to the phone such as downloading ROMS that imitates the basic stock version of say the Froyo 2.2 In the future if a new version arrives, I can expect the upgrade from either Verizon (which I will have to unroot) or hope that the good people of XDA find ways to put new version of the Android in to my already rooted phone.
So, if I have a android phone and if the hardware is popular enough, people will continue finding ways to put new Android versions on the rooted phones through ROM. I hope I am understanding this matter correctly...
If that is the case, I now will go search in the threads for a way to root the Fascinate and find a ROM that lets me have the stock version of Android. I am very satisfied with the great people on this thread and I am very thankful for your responses and patience. Thank you very much.
Yes. You've got it down for the most part. If you root there are methods to unroot that will allow you to download the ota update. But with any luck the devs will get the froyo build long before it gets officially released and will be properly rooted by then.
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Its my understandig that if you root your phone but don't flash a rom you will still be alerted when your carrier pushes out ota updates. Now my question is if I install a different kernel such as chevy's or something to allow me to overclock my dx will I still be alerted for carrier ota updates?
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crxin said:
Its my understandig that if you root your phone but don't flash a rom you will still be alerted when your carrier pushes out ota updates. Now my question is if I install a different kernel such as chevy's or something to allow me to overclock my dx will I still be alerted for carrier ota updates?
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You mean ROM not Kernel. (Kernel opens up a great deal of wounds, )
But the answer is no, you will not be able to update ota unless you flash back to stock ota sbf.
Just to add to what Steven58 said,
While it is true that loading a custom ROM will prevent you from receiving OTA updates, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
The dev's for those ROMs generally do a great job of keeping up with the latest /system files and updating their builds as necessary. Most likely any given custom ROM will have better functionality and stability than the stock Moto one anyway.
There are always some caveats and variables based on your own desires, but if the Stock Moto was done right, we wouldn't see so many popular ROM alternatives.
There will be cases when a new kernel (such as is the case with the most recent OTA .340) is released that you will need to either get the OTA, or hope some one releases an SBF. In those rare cases, you should be able to flash back to stock (with whatever the current system release is), do the update (which would update kernel, and possible radio, etc) and then proceed back to using your favorite ROM (assuming it's been updated to that version).
Clear as Mud?
Yup I understand it now. Thanks for the help and all the replies
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http://www.mediafire.com/file/bjxvu....651.1-4.24.651.1_release2dk2r14ngv5s3bvl.zip Here you are untouched best of all it fixes voice recognition.
I'm anxiously waiting for someone to post a deodexed version. =)
That wouldn't do much the biggest update when you pull it apart is to the firmware.
Update? for?
Rooted?
snarf
Not rooted yet.
yeah. I've been waiting for this voice issue update for a while. however, I'd rather just have unlimited power and freedom to do what I want with the hardware HTC gave us. Filtered Sprint crap.
Looks like theres a new radio here? Since this is only a patch OTA it'll have to be flashed over the top of a stock. Working on a flashable right now, any testers?
It is fully rootable btw via revolutionary.
squidlymandingo said:
It is fully rootable btw via revolutionary.
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That would be because its not really a full OTA, just an OTA containing patches to already existing files in order to fix small bugs. In fact it doesnt even add new files, just patches pre existent ones which is why it is being a ***** and a half. You have to deodex the patches lol.
Have been waiting for this update hoping it would fix some of the bluetooth problems. However, losing Google Voice is pretty much a deal breaker for me, so I was planning on refusing the update long enough to see if others are able to root with the new update.
Does the new update come with a new system image? If so, how does the dev community get the image? Is it copied off a phone that has the image or does verizon release stock images for flashing.
Has anyone successfully root after receiving the update? If so, I assume this means running the new kernel with the previous route66 system image.
It looks like this person has http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29095607
It looks like we are allowed to downgrade firmware from VRALG1 to VRALF2 to get root using ODIN.
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OK so im very confused here... I have Nexus S 4g unlocked/rooted. I have the original Clockwork recovery.
I am running ICS, as soon as it was released OTA and someone made it into a flashable zip file with no mods I flashed it... I gained all my security features back as in being able to use my mobile banking instead of it saying that there was an issue with the security of the phone. I love this version and that I have the benefits of a rooted phone but still get to use everything as a non rooted android...
also I am using the radio and bootloader that was released with the ICS OTA
yesterday (9/13/12) I recieved an OTA update notification to update to 4.1.1 Jelly Bean
I really want the offical OTA version but dont want to unroot the phone.
Is it safe to download this OTA or will it brick my phone?
If it is not safe what are my options to get this stock version w/o mods on my phone?
I really need to do something ASAP as my children get my phone all the time and this notification pops up like every 15 mins and only gives me options to install later, more info, and install now, and I dont want my children to plan on it and end up installing the update and bricking my phone!
Thank you sooo much!
Just flash one of the OTA roms on here for jellybean
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Here you go bud
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My bad
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