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What's the point of applying the OTA

We have all these methods to downgrade and apply the OTA.
But can't we just flash ROMs that devs from the OTA?
What's the point of accepting the OTA?
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Well
1) Devs will need time to cook the OTA into a custom ROM, the OTA is ready on impact
2) The OTA does not require reinstalling your apps
3) Some have no problem with Verizon's stock ROMs and wouldn't want it cooked
4) Cooked roms tend to break things when adding and removing and mixing and matching (which is why cooked ROM threads are 99.9999999% bug reports) and some people would rather not have to deal with the extra bugs
5) Cooked roms are really to the taste of the cooker. If they don't like the facebook app, then I guess you won't have the facebook app; and if they like swype, well then you have swype. 1 person cooks, everyone else settles. That is not to everyones taste.

Ruggerxpunk said:
We have all these methods to downgrade and apply the OTA.
But can't we just flash ROMs that devs from the OTA?
What's the point of accepting the OTA?
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The OTA may contain various fixes as the leaked versions may or may not be the final release - they may be test builds that were leaked to testers.

You are right, there isn't any point in doing it other than to be one if the firsts to have the official up update. I'm sure it week be available by download here a day or two after the official is out, but the anticipation is killing me (us).
I am really anxious to see of the battery life is improved, also it would be nice to have all streaming audio problems fixed for good.
@jdmba - exactly!
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jdmba said:
1) Devs will need time to cook the OTA into a custom ROM, the OTA is ready on impact
2) The OTA does not require reinstalling your apps
3) Some have no problem with Verizon's stock ROMs and wouldn't want it cooked
4) Cooked roms tend to break things when adding and removing and mixing and matching (which is why cooked ROM threads are 99.9999999% bug reports) and some people would rather not have to deal with the extra bugs
5) Cooked roms are really to the taste of the cooker. If they don't like the facebook app, then I guess you won't have the facebook app; and if they like swype, well then you have swype. 1 person cooks, everyone else settles. That is not to everyones taste.
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they may cook a new version from it, but i can guarantee unrevoked is gonna patch it with root and release it stock, no changes made. just like the leaks, they always released it unmodified besides root. also, if youre rooted and updated on a leak, whether or not the official ota saves all your apps etc. doesnt matter because you have to downgrade, requiring a complete wipe of everything, so theres nothing to save anyway. thats only beneficial if youre still on stock 2.1.
The only real benefit of official ota, is you dont have to wait. hopefully, rooting the official release wont prove to be difficult, then waiting would only be something like a day.

[INFO/Q] Root, Updates and Rom situation

Hi,
I am checking the updates on the root scene for transformer but I realized that there are some things I cannot understand well so I'm gonna ask you to help me:
ROOT & UPDATE
- There is an update that should be the one avaiable since 26rd...can I update without risking that I won't be able to root? Also because there will be another one on 28th... (or the one I see is already the one that was suppposed to be out 28...)
I am asking this because of this two post:
"Here is the second OTA."
DON'T APPLY THIS IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO RUN THINGS AS ROOT. THIS IS POSTED FOR RESEARCH ONLY. IF YOU COPY THIS TO YOUR SDCARD AND REBOOT INTO RECOVERY IT WILL UNROOT YOUR DEVICE AND THERE IS CURRENTLY NO KNOWN METHOD TO ROOT IT AGAIN!
but then
"New root method found will be out ~30th (to avoid the next OTA)
This allows custom recovery + boot image being flashed to the device
So all you US users can relax
I still do not have a device tho"
So... can I update or not?
ROM
- If I want to root I guess, by now, the only way is the Paul's way but anyway after that...which rom is actually the best & most updated? The one avaiable are:
27 Apr Hr3: MoDaCo Custom ROM for the Asus Eee Pad Transformer (based on the 23/04 update )
ROM] PRIME! v1.0 | Fast | Rooted | Deodexed (based on the 23/04 update )
[ROM] Ti-X Transformation V1.2 deodexed (dunno what's based on)
Thank you!

ROOT & UPDATE
Just take two steps back from anything flashable thats coming directly from ASUS.
There are versions of the OTAs with the bad parts stripped out.
US users are currently unable to gain root with the available method, as far as I know this is because of a differing/updated firmware on the US devices. The "new root" which is sheduled for 30 April is primarily helping those US users and anyone who applied one of the OTAs from Asus.
ROMS
Hr3 is based on the 230411 update and got some (minor? havent tested yet) improvements from Paul.
Prime is based on the deodexed "vanilla" ROM which was posted some days ago, together with the improvements from all updates including 230411.
Ti-X is based on the same deodexed vanilla as Prime, but isnt updated with the 230411 improvements AFAIK.
Basically, you're getting pretty much the same on the first two ROMs, Prime has the Spare Parts apps included and is deodexed (lots of threads about that, long story short: if you dont want to theme or mod parts of the ROM you don't need this).
PS: Correct me if I'm wrong
greetz

frysee said:
ROOT & UPDATE
Just take two steps back from anything flashable thats coming directly from ASUS.
There are versions of the OTAs with the bad parts stripped out.
US users are currently unable to gain root with the available method, as far as I know this is because of a differing/updated firmware on the US devices. The "new root" which is sheduled for 30 April is primarily helping those US users and anyone who applied one of the OTAs from Asus.
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I'm European user (Italy) and everyone claim that the OTAs by Asus are really good and the Tablet is quite faster!
The point anyway is...if I update then...can I root ?
ROMS
Hr3 is based on the 230411 update and got some (minor? havent tested yet) improvements from Paul.
Prime is based on the deodexed "vanilla" ROM which was posted some days ago, together with the improvements from all updates including 230411.
Ti-X is based on the same deodexed vanilla as Prime, but isnt updated with the 230411 improvements AFAIK.
Basically, you're getting pretty much the same on the first two ROMs, Prime has the Spare Parts apps included and is deodexed (lots of threads about that, long story short: if you dont want to theme or mod parts of the ROM you don't need this).
PS: Correct me if I'm wrong
greetz
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So if I got it right looks like none of them is based on the last update (yesterday)....mmmh...
By the way when you talk about spare parts apps you mean the Asus apps and customization?

So... can I update or not?
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If you don't need root this minute, then feel free to update. We have a root method for the current OTAs which will regain root. We'll release details shortly (including a proper clockworkmod recovery and an insecure boot)

stridger said:
If you don't need root this minute, then feel free to update. We have a root method for the current OTAs which will regain root. We'll release details shortly (including a proper clockworkmod recovery and an insecure boot)
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Thank you very much.
Then I'll update and wait for the root when this new method is released.

In my about it says based on system dumb of the 4/14/11 ota fir the Ti-X rom all u need to do is read a little.
And deodex is more then just themes and moding apps it helps the dev when making fixes to the rom. Modaco will b deodexed soon most likely also.
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dc13 said:
And deodex is more then just themes and moding apps it helps the dev when making fixes to the rom.
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Yeah well, I guess if he asks for advice which rom to flash he isn't going to apply any fixes to the rom (yet).

The fixes are for the dev not on the end user side.
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Knight77 said:
By the way when you talk about spare parts apps you mean the Asus apps and customization?
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Spare parts is an actual app that has additional system settings that are not originally in the stock settings menu

Custom ROM -> ICS

Just wondering, if I were to flash to a custom rom, such as Thor... then a few months later ICS comes out for our tablets, what would the upgrade process entail?
I'm hesitant to try a custom rom, because when ICS finally comes I don't want there to be extra steps in order to get the update.
Anyone know how difficult/easy this is going to be? Will it involve having to flash back to stock first, then OTA to ICS?
TIA!

davanw said:
Just wondering, if I were to flash to a custom rom, such as Thor... then a few months later ICS comes out for our tablets, what would the upgrade process entail?
I'm hesitant to try a custom rom, because when ICS finally comes I don't want there to be extra steps in order to get the update.
Anyone know how difficult/easy this is going to be? Will it involve having to flash back to stock first, then OTA to ICS?
TIA!
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Not trying to be rude but honestly, if youre afraid of a few extra steps than rooting and android is not for you. I suggest an apple product.
But to answer your question, when official ICS comes out OTA Im sure devs will create custom roms that you can just flash. I mean we already have ICS ports in the works.
Why would you want crappy OTA ICS when you could have a faster, custom rom ICS .

jon-.- said:
Not trying to be rude but honestly, if youre afraid of a few extra steps than rooting and android is not for you. I suggest an apple product.
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Don't assume. I already have ICS running on my Galaxy S; I'm sure I've flashed and reflashed android devices just as much as anyone else here. It's not about being afraid. It's about convenience for a device I've come to rely on day-to-day.
Thanks for the post, anyways. But I'd still like to hear what the process would be to go from a custom rom to the offical OTA ICS.

davanw said:
Don't assume. I already have ICS running on my Galaxy S; I'm sure I've flashed and reflashed android devices just as much as anyone else here. It's not about being afraid. It's about convenience for a device I've come to rely on day-to-day.
Thanks for the post, anyways. But I'd still like to hear what the process would be to go from a custom rom to the offical OTA ICS.
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From what Ive read (search function), you can update from a custom rom but you will lose root.

davanw said:
Don't assume. I already have ICS running on my Galaxy S; I'm sure I've flashed and reflashed android devices just as much as anyone else here. It's not about being afraid. It's about convenience for a device I've come to rely on day-to-day.
Thanks for the post, anyways. But I'd still like to hear what the process would be to go from a custom rom to the offical OTA ICS.
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If u rely on this day to day, u do NOT want to flash an ICS rom yet. Not even close for day to day use.Stick with what u have and just be patient.

christianpeso said:
If u rely on this day to day, u do NOT want to flash an ICS rom yet. Not even close for day to day use.Stick with what u have and just be patient.
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I agree wait for the kinks to be worked out.

If you rely on this device pretty heavily, and you still want to get ICS when it comes out, I would just recommend flashing a custom ROM now that is known to be pretty stable. like you suggested, Thor's ROM seems to be a great one. It definitely improves the speed of the tablet and I have yet to come across any bugs that would inhibit my everyday use. Then, once developers have worked out a ROM for a relatively stable version of ICS, you shouldn't have any trouble switching to that and not worrying about the OTA updates.

davanw said:
Don't assume. I already have ICS running on my Galaxy S; I'm sure I've flashed and reflashed android devices just as much as anyone else here. It's not about being afraid. It's about convenience for a device I've come to rely on day-to-day.
Thanks for the post, anyways. But I'd still like to hear what the process would be to go from a custom rom to the offical OTA ICS.
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Well, if you're familiar with all that, then you already know how to flash an OEM ROM and would know you already knew how to do it.

can be a bit of a pain going back to stock ota updates. Depends on availability of your devices localized stock rom.( or being able to backup stock rom first). Took me about 5 days to find the right files and steps to get ota working again. Didnt help that i am a total newbie, the iconia is my first android device never flashed anything before except a pc bios. Do your research first and make sure you can go back instead of getting stuck. Here is a link to get you started http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1155664 another thing when you go back to stock you also go to the back of the line in the update queue as well. I was on 3.2.1 went back to 3.1 got ota updates up to 3.2 but have not recieved 3.2.1 update again yet cheers.

blucmal said:
another thing when you go back to stock you also go to the back of the line in the update queue as well. I was on 3.2.1 went back to 3.1 got ota updates up to 3.2 but have not recieved 3.2.1 update again yet cheers.
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Now THAT is very interesting. Thanks!

Root for android nougat in the way future?

When Nougat gets released for this phone in how ever long it takes do you think someone will eventually be able to root it on this phone?

Seriously?

joe3681 said:
Seriously?
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you don't have to be a douche

FreshIce21 said:
you don't have to be a douche
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You don't have to call him a douche. Honestly, I was thinking "Seriously?" as well because this is the first thing you think (rather, post of) before Nougat even comes out. We can't see the future, so this question will probably go without an indefinite answer. My input on it, though, is that root is possible if engboot still works, but if it doesn't then we're probably screwed. And I doubt engboot will work without having even MORE issues than it already does, if it even works at all.
But seriously, the name calling was unnecessary. You're the one asking the question, no need to call people names.

SkyAttacksX said:
You don't have to call him a douche. Honestly, I was thinking "Seriously?" as well because this is the first thing you think (rather, post of) before Nougat even comes out. We can't see the future, so this question will probably go without an indefinite answer. My input on it, though, is that root is possible if engboot still works, but if it doesn't then we're probably screwed. And I doubt engboot will work without having even MORE issues than it already does, if it even works at all.
But seriously, the name calling was unnecessary. You're the one asking the question, no need to call people names.
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thank you for your reply on your thoughts about it, thats all I was looking for. The person did not have to comment "seriously" he could have just ignore my post all together, I believe he was being a douche. The commenting of "seriously" was unnecessary. I appreciate your answer as I was just curious. Have a good day

Seriously?

FreshIce21 said:
When Nougat gets released for this phone in how ever long it takes do you think someone will eventually be able to root it on this phone?
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It'll come precisely 2 months, 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 30 minutes, 6 seconds and 83 milliseconds of nougat drop date
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So rooted MM or non-related Nougat... that will be the question
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I don't understand the reasoning behind the question. Nougat isn't even out yet. If you want root, then root your phone. If you want rooted Nougat, wait a couple days after release for someone to build a rooted ROM on it. Why would you want to flash back to stock just to root again instead of just flashing the rooted version from the beginning? I'm assuming that's why you got the "seriously?" reactions. Well, that and the fact that since Nougat hasn't even been released yet, so it's physically impossibly for anyone to know if it can be rooted. But yeah, I'd advise you to wait until someone uploads a rooted Nougat ROM for your phone instead if flashing back to stock and hoping to root that way. Its a million times easier to root it before putting it on your device

Based upon my understanding of how KNOX operates along with the stricter changes made to dm-verity in 7.0, I wouldn't hold my breath when it comes to rooting the S7. I know that the guys that come up with these rooting methods are very creative and smart, but KNOX, combined with SELinux, dm-verity, and locked bootloaders, is almost impossible to overcome. I've been looking at the people discussing the dirtyc0w exploit as an alternative root method, and I don't think it's possible to use it because of these safeguards.
We were extremely lucky with the leaked engboot method of rooting the S7. Without that, it's very possible that we still wouldn't have root on it.

Just a bit of addition to this conversation: It's likely our current root method won't work on Nougat. It depends on how different the kernels are, but since the engboot is built for MM there's no guarantee it's compatible with a new version. There's no guarantee it won't prevent flashing the engboot kernel once you're on it, and flashing a rooted system and then switching kernels won't help since the new kernel will verify the system.

I just really hope that we can get SuperSU on Nougat now that It has began to roll out today on my AT&T Galaxy S7. I've captured the ota update for it but someone else has already posted them on the forums so I won't waste my time. Despite how beautiful Nougat looks, I'm gonna wait and stick with MM. Why? Root. I'm almost certain that once you've updated to Nougat, it won't let you flash back to MM because of the locked bootloader, and for me personally, I want to keep root so bad because of the Viper4Android equalizer. The thing gives great sound quality and music wouldn't be the same without it. Honestly, If you really wanted to keep root then my advice is to stick with MM and wait (as long as it may take) for a working root method to come out for this new update.
Cheers!

KingOfTheNet said:
I just really hope that we can get SuperSU on Nougat now that It has began to roll out today on my AT&T Galaxy S7. I've captured the ota update for it but someone else has already posted them on the forums so I won't waste my time. Despite how beautiful Nougat looks, I'm gonna wait and stick with MM. Why? Root. I'm almost certain that once you've updated to Nougat, it won't let you flash back to MM because of the locked bootloader, and for me personally, I want to keep root so bad because of the Viper4Android equalizer. The thing gives great sound quality and music wouldn't be the same without it. Honestly, If you really wanted to keep root then my advice is to stick with MM and wait (as long as it may take) for a working root method to come out for this new update.
Cheers!
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You can downgrade back to MM. Both the updates are on bootloader v4.

KingOfTheNet said:
I just really hope that we can get SuperSU on Nougat now that It has began to roll out today on my AT&T Galaxy S7. I've captured the ota update for it but someone else has already posted them on the forums so I won't waste my time. Despite how beautiful Nougat looks, I'm gonna wait and stick with MM. Why? Root. I'm almost certain that once you've updated to Nougat, it won't let you flash back to MM because of the locked bootloader, and for me personally, I want to keep root so bad because of the Viper4Android equalizer. The thing gives great sound quality and music wouldn't be the same without it. Honestly, If you really wanted to keep root then my advice is to stick with MM and wait (as long as it may take) for a working root method to come out for this new update.
Cheers!
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Which V4A version are you using. I can't find one that works with my phone. I'm on APK1 stock rooted.

dirtydodge said:
Which V4A version are you using. I can't find one that works with my phone. I'm on APK1 stock rooted.
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I simply downloaded and am currently using the latest update from the developers website. Be sure to download the latest version of the app listed under "Viper4Android FX" and make sure BusyBox is properly installed on your device under /system/xbin or /system/bin. I was previously on APJ4 and just upgraded to APK1 today and haven't noticed any problems.
http://vipersaudio.com/blog/?page_id=48
Cheers!

What would happen?

I am currently rooted with MM on my S7-Edge, SM-G935A and yesterday I got the notification from AT&T that it wanted to update my phone to the newest version of Android, Version 7 (Nougat).
I thought about UN-Rooting my phone and let the OTA finish the process and complete the upgrade. But after looking around there isn't a stable version for Root on Nougat yet for the AT&T Phone, so I think I going to wait.
But my question is if I just let OTA update the phone without Un-Rooting it, what would happen to the phone. Would it just become Un-Rooted and be an Updated Android 7.0? Or would there be problems? I can say for sure that I would not do this as I like having Root Access and I don't think I would like living without Root. But I was just curious what would really happen?
I only have one phone and don't want to mess it up, but there are a lot of people on these forums that experiment with phones all the time.
Anyway, just a question for all of you in the know.

Judging from what happened with a minor update on my at the time rooted s6e, it'll just error out before anything is done due to the engboot not being what it expects.
It checks the hashes of that file and a lot of others before applying the update from what I can tell

dragynbane222 said:
Judging from what happened with a minor update on my at the time rooted s6e, it'll just error out before anything is done due to the engboot not being what it expects.
It checks the hashes of that file and a lot of others before applying the update from what I can tell
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Thanks for the reply. That is what I expected. I am not going to try this but like I said just curious. And you answered my question.
Again thanks.

Yup it wouldn't update.
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