If I root my samsung fascinate... am I able to continuously update to the newer version of Android? Or does it require additional assistance from the good people of XDA? thank you in advance
Most likely will either not accept update or will lose root upon update.
That's what happened last time.
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so if new updates from google android comes out, even if I root the phone i can't just go and download the new version?
If all you do is install apparently that require root access, you should be fine. You'll just lose root access, and have to re-root afterward. If, however, you remove factory apps like Bing, or do any other OS modifications like the lag fix, there's a much bigger chance that the official updates will either fail, or cause problems. In that case, you either need to revert to stock before updating, or rely on xda developers to roll out customized versions of the updates that you can apply with your modifications in place.
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So, the "official update" from say verizon will not work as well if I remove all the bloat ware... however, a rooted phone will be able to take in updates from Google ANdroid...like 2.3 or 3.3 etc... with no issues?
Perhaps to clarify a little further, I wish to purchase the Fascinate and root it. In the future, as new Android versions come out, I would rather take the official Android versions by Google instead of the updates by Verizon. Much like the Tmobile G1, is this possible once rooted?
I understand this is rather a long post so I appreciate all the help. Thank you.
There are no Google updates vs. OEM updates released through the carriers. All updates are carrier-released, regardless of the source (OEM OR Google), and are model-specific, largely due to OEM OS customizations and differing hardware. The only phones that get pure Google updates OTA (somebody correct me if I'm wrong) are the ones that are released with a 100% stock Android ROM from the factory.
The only OTA updates you will get for the Fascinate will be from Verizon, and will require a stock ROM, and most likely will need all original apps in place. If you want the pure Google updates, you will need to install a custom ROM with those updates.
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Oh, and just to clarify, if you install a custom ROM that gives you pure stock Android, you will have to rely on the developer of that ROM to release updated versions that include the latest updates from Google. There are no OTA updates for custom ROMs, as they are not supported by Google, your carrier, or the phone manufacturer.
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The only phone that truly gets untouched virgin updates would be the Nexus One, and even then the drivers are added by HTC.
The Moto Droid I guess would be the next one to also, but its been so long since I used a purely stock version that I remember if Moto adds apps at Verizon's request.
All carriers request what features/bloatware to install/not install. They send said requests to OEM, which turns around and incorporates the requests, and adds their custom branding/widgets/etc to send back to the carrier for testing. The carrier then has its own internal testing to verify requests and make sure no new prevalent bugs pop up. No one at Verizon (or any carrier really) actually does any coding of any kind.
What the OEM's receive from Google may be what you consider a "pure ROM" with "hooks" built in so that the various OEM's can add their custom homescreen, bloatware, brand specific widgets, etc. But, with the source being released most likely what happens is that this job now falls upon the OEM's themselves to write in their own "hooks", as Google just pumps out strictly OS generic builds into the ASOP.
In which case, either Sammy or Moto or whoever pulls that and fixes whatever issues, or they have internal builds going (which is more likely) that they tinker with to fix issues.
I believe Moto does this as evidenced by the lettering of the builds. Seems like they go through builds nightly when they are working on an update for a phone. I wouldn't be surprised if Sammy was the same way.
Sorry to make this post so long. Hope this helps.
So, a phone has to be "rooted" to allow full control over the phone. In this mode, I am allowed to make changes to the phone such as downloading ROMS that imitates the basic stock version of say the Froyo 2.2 In the future if a new version arrives, I can expect the upgrade from either Verizon (which I will have to unroot) or hope that the good people of XDA find ways to put new version of the Android in to my already rooted phone.
So, if I have a android phone and if the hardware is popular enough, people will continue finding ways to put new Android versions on the rooted phones through ROM. I hope I am understanding this matter correctly...
If that is the case, I now will go search in the threads for a way to root the Fascinate and find a ROM that lets me have the stock version of Android. I am very satisfied with the great people on this thread and I am very thankful for your responses and patience. Thank you very much.
Yes. You've got it down for the most part. If you root there are methods to unroot that will allow you to download the ota update. But with any luck the devs will get the froyo build long before it gets officially released and will be properly rooted by then.
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I'm new to android and was wonder what adverse effects are caused by rooting the device. I know it voids the warrenty but does it effect anything else.
I read that it stops you from downloading paid apps from the market, is that true?
Thanks
Other than the warranty issue, there are no adverse effects of rooting. If you are rooted you can run any number of custom roms available, some of which are nearly identical to the stock. You can also use software that requires root access.
Paid apps are available from the market. One of the early posts in the dev area stated that paid apps did not work but that individual did not have their SIM card in.
Thanks for clearing that up.
But if Google comes with an update, you won't be able to get it??
Or am I wrong?
Depends on if its ota or download, but generally with root you will get updates before theyre official or published.
^ is right. Keep on this site, and if there are updates you will probably have it a month or so before it goes out OTA (if that is how updates will be sent for N1).
Another reason it could be an issue now, we do not know YET how to reverse it. With the G1 we can go back to stock and send it to HTC if there was an issue.... until we figure that out, you are stuck with the rooted phone b/c HTC will not be obligated to assist.
But that's only if I choose to install custom roms right?
If I only root it for getting full acces on the stock rom, then i won't get the pushed update?
And then I have to use costum roms for getting the update?
Please correct me if I'm wrong
If everything goes like it did for the G1/Dream, then yes, you are correct.
We have all these methods to downgrade and apply the OTA.
But can't we just flash ROMs that devs from the OTA?
What's the point of accepting the OTA?
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1) Devs will need time to cook the OTA into a custom ROM, the OTA is ready on impact
2) The OTA does not require reinstalling your apps
3) Some have no problem with Verizon's stock ROMs and wouldn't want it cooked
4) Cooked roms tend to break things when adding and removing and mixing and matching (which is why cooked ROM threads are 99.9999999% bug reports) and some people would rather not have to deal with the extra bugs
5) Cooked roms are really to the taste of the cooker. If they don't like the facebook app, then I guess you won't have the facebook app; and if they like swype, well then you have swype. 1 person cooks, everyone else settles. That is not to everyones taste.
Ruggerxpunk said:
We have all these methods to downgrade and apply the OTA.
But can't we just flash ROMs that devs from the OTA?
What's the point of accepting the OTA?
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The OTA may contain various fixes as the leaked versions may or may not be the final release - they may be test builds that were leaked to testers.
You are right, there isn't any point in doing it other than to be one if the firsts to have the official up update. I'm sure it week be available by download here a day or two after the official is out, but the anticipation is killing me (us).
I am really anxious to see of the battery life is improved, also it would be nice to have all streaming audio problems fixed for good.
@jdmba - exactly!
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jdmba said:
1) Devs will need time to cook the OTA into a custom ROM, the OTA is ready on impact
2) The OTA does not require reinstalling your apps
3) Some have no problem with Verizon's stock ROMs and wouldn't want it cooked
4) Cooked roms tend to break things when adding and removing and mixing and matching (which is why cooked ROM threads are 99.9999999% bug reports) and some people would rather not have to deal with the extra bugs
5) Cooked roms are really to the taste of the cooker. If they don't like the facebook app, then I guess you won't have the facebook app; and if they like swype, well then you have swype. 1 person cooks, everyone else settles. That is not to everyones taste.
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they may cook a new version from it, but i can guarantee unrevoked is gonna patch it with root and release it stock, no changes made. just like the leaks, they always released it unmodified besides root. also, if youre rooted and updated on a leak, whether or not the official ota saves all your apps etc. doesnt matter because you have to downgrade, requiring a complete wipe of everything, so theres nothing to save anyway. thats only beneficial if youre still on stock 2.1.
The only real benefit of official ota, is you dont have to wait. hopefully, rooting the official release wont prove to be difficult, then waiting would only be something like a day.
Please don't flame me here. I'm just trying to understand.
I understand that with custom kernels and ROMs you can bring new features to phones. The only ones I currently know of are wifi tether (already supported by our kernel), temperature sensor readings, and other low-level hardware access. What else can a custom kernel do for us?
People have created ROMs for the DX that remove what people hate most about MOTO phones; Blur! So why is this such a big deal?
Id like to know also, along with the bootstrap.
A unlocked bootloader allows a custom kernel, in which we can use to make and compile very custom roms. For example, true AOSP, MIUI, and Cyanogenmod need a custom kernel to run.
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It would allow us to get android os updates even after moto and/or Verizon discontinue update support for our device. Would also allow us to get these os updates sooner. E.g. I was running froyo (2.2) on my OG Droid long before moto decided to release an official froyo update....because the OG Droid's bootloader was unlocked and I was able to install a permanent custom recovery.
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It would allow us to get android os updates even after moto and/or Verizon discontinue update support for our device. Would also allow us to get these os updates sooner. E.g. I was running froyo (2.2) on my OG Droid long before moto decided to release an official froyo update....because the OG Droid's bootloader was unlocked and I was able to install a permanent custom recovery.
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I can understand the updates after no longer being supported. I guess the bootloader isn't of any concern to me. I usually update my device yearly, and custom ROMs tend to be too buggy or lacking certain features I like to be messing with. Thanks for the info.
coming from a blackberry for the longest time i love the fact that i can do an actual backup of my entire system with it. comes in handing if your like me and you seem to f up your phone a lot or make and ins claim for a new one. sharing roms to get a better experience from your phone is great too. imo this is the greatest breakthrough on dx
Its my understandig that if you root your phone but don't flash a rom you will still be alerted when your carrier pushes out ota updates. Now my question is if I install a different kernel such as chevy's or something to allow me to overclock my dx will I still be alerted for carrier ota updates?
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Its my understandig that if you root your phone but don't flash a rom you will still be alerted when your carrier pushes out ota updates. Now my question is if I install a different kernel such as chevy's or something to allow me to overclock my dx will I still be alerted for carrier ota updates?
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You mean ROM not Kernel. (Kernel opens up a great deal of wounds, )
But the answer is no, you will not be able to update ota unless you flash back to stock ota sbf.
Just to add to what Steven58 said,
While it is true that loading a custom ROM will prevent you from receiving OTA updates, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
The dev's for those ROMs generally do a great job of keeping up with the latest /system files and updating their builds as necessary. Most likely any given custom ROM will have better functionality and stability than the stock Moto one anyway.
There are always some caveats and variables based on your own desires, but if the Stock Moto was done right, we wouldn't see so many popular ROM alternatives.
There will be cases when a new kernel (such as is the case with the most recent OTA .340) is released that you will need to either get the OTA, or hope some one releases an SBF. In those rare cases, you should be able to flash back to stock (with whatever the current system release is), do the update (which would update kernel, and possible radio, etc) and then proceed back to using your favorite ROM (assuming it's been updated to that version).
Clear as Mud?
Yup I understand it now. Thanks for the help and all the replies
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So i jumped on the deal on sellout.woot today, and i'll be getting a verizon galaxy tab, hopefully next week, and wanted to get a few things together and start reading up.
I'll probably look at just updating it out of the box and playing around with the stock firmware, but i know i'll probably want to stick some kind of custom firmware on it. So are there any recommendations on a good custom firmware? I'd like one that enable the ability to connect to ad-hoc networks (which the few in the development section i saw did not seem to mention). Should any rom for the VZW tab work? or are there different versions of this tab that i need to be aware of?
As far as flashing goes, what is hiemdal and odin? do they do basically the same thing? what about the clockwork mod, what exactly does that do? I've done a bit of rooting of devices before, but nothing major, so are there good tutorials or guides that explain a bit more about flashing custom roms? I'd like to not have a paperweight when all is said and done.
Any info you can provide or link me to is greatly appreciated.
dav3yb said:
So i jumped on the deal on sellout.woot today, and i'll be getting a verizon galaxy tab, hopefully next week, and wanted to get a few things together and start reading up.
I'll probably look at just updating it out of the box and playing around with the stock firmware, but i know i'll probably want to stick some kind of custom firmware on it. So are there any recommendations on a good custom firmware? I'd like one that enable the ability to connect to ad-hoc networks (which the few in the development section i saw did not seem to mention). Should any rom for the VZW tab work? or are there different versions of this tab that i need to be aware of?
As far as flashing goes, what is hiemdal and odin? do they do basically the same thing? what about the clockwork mod, what exactly does that do? I've done a bit of rooting of devices before, but nothing major, so are there good tutorials or guides that explain a bit more about flashing custom roms? I'd like to not have a paperweight when all is said and done.
Any info you can provide or link me to is greatly appreciated.
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There are not very many custom ROMs that have been developed for the Verizon Tab. Galaxy Cubed seems to be a good one. The same Dev created a stock rooted gingerbread ROM so you may want to start with that one. Some of the Sprint ROMs also work. The Sprint and Verizon are both CDMA and very similar. NEVER flash a GSM ROM to this device!
Odin and Heimdall both have the capability to flash ROMs to Samsung devices. Odin is leaked Samsung software and Heimdall is newly written software based on Odin code. I recommend you use Heimdall version 1.1.1, it is free and easy to use. Just do a google search and you will find their website.
Clockworkmod is a custom recovery that does what the stock recovery does only more. It adds the ability to flash various mods to the ROM from recovery and to do backups. But once it's installed you can only get to it by software on your system. If you try to get to it by booting, you get into the stock recovery.
Just be careful when flashing things to your Tab, it is easy to bork it up. There are a lot of tutorials here on XDA, so read them carefully.
I jumped on the same deal! Got a question too, if you don't mind the piggyback...
I chose the Verizon model and I'm interested in using a bluetooth keyboard... I understand that upon release not all keyboards would work but that Verizon put out an update and now all do work.
How do I know other than trial and error if this unit has been upgraded?
My plan is to root and go with a basic gingerbread upgrade and then pretty much leave it be. But if this is a Verizon specific update I'm wondering if I don't need to do a one month data deal in order to get the upgrade.
Any help is appreciated!
rouxdy said:
I jumped on the same deal! Got a question too, if you don't mind the piggyback...
I chose the Verizon model and I'm interested in using a bluetooth keyboard... I understand that upon release not all keyboards would work but that Verizon put out an update and now all do work.
How do I know other than trial and error if this unit has been upgraded?
My plan is to root and go with a basic gingerbread upgrade and then pretty much leave it be. But if this is a Verizon specific update I'm wondering if I don't need to do a one month data deal in order to get the upgrade.
Any help is appreciated!
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If you install the stock vanilla rooted ROM by dsb9938 you will have the latest Verizon upgrade, only rooted. Look on settings, about device, and the latest says EI04. Even if your unit comes with the latest ROM, you may want to flash the rooted vanilla since that is the easiest way to get rooted. Most of the other methods fail or are very difficult to implement on EI04.
No need to subscribe to data unless you want to. I personally like having data everywhere.
Lagfix ASAP
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If you install the stock vanilla rooted ROM by dsb9938 you will have the latest Verizon upgrade, only rooted. Look on settings, about device, and the latest says EI04. Even if your unit comes with the latest ROM, you may want to flash the rooted vanilla since that is the easiest way to get rooted. Most of the other methods fail or are very difficult to implement on EI04.
No need to subscribe to data unless you want to. I personally like having data everywhere.
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Thanks! That was very helpful!
I have a droid 3 with data and it looks like there are ways to tether the Tab to the droid... I'd only need to send a few files via email a few times a month and even then it's not a necessity so much as it is a convenience.