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as they've announced xperia play will be supporting ps2 games in the near future. but are there any plans of releasing emulators for the ps2
bewrong666 said:
as they've announced xperia play will be supporting ps2 games in the near future. but are there any plans of releasing emulators for the ps2
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who announced that there will be support for ps2 games?
if they are launching ps1 classics, i dont believe that they will natively support ps2, otherwise at launch time they would have at least one...
I find it hard to believe that, given that there are already FOSS PS2 emulators, noone ported them to Android... unless they are aware that the current smartphones don't have enough horsepower. That would include the Xperia Play, which is no more powerful than an Asus EEEPC.
this is in regards with reviews i've read and watched online. you could try to check gsmarena's preview/review as one.
tanquef said:
who announced that there will be support for ps2 games?
if they are launching ps1 classics, i dont believe that they will natively support ps2, otherwise at launch time they would have at least one...
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What sony said is, that eventually they will be launching ps2 games for android based playstation certified devices, but as far as i know they said nothing about them coming to the xperia play
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Logseman said:
I find it hard to believe that, given that there are already FOSS PS2 emulators, noone ported them to Android... unless they are aware that the current smartphones don't have enough horsepower. That would include the Xperia Play, which is no more powerful than an Asus EEEPC.
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NullDC are working on a dreamcast emulator for the current generation of android devices, and the ps2 isnt that much better
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NullDC are working on a dreamcast emulator for the current generation of android devices
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bewrong666 said:
as they've announced xperia play will be supporting ps2 games in the near future. but are there any plans of releasing emulators for the ps2
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Highly unlikely.
As a general rule of thumb, you need a machine approximately 3 tims as powerful as the machine you are emulating.
My old 2.2ghz PC with duo Core and a 4670 ATI radeon is way more powerful than the xperia play, and it slowed to a grind with PS2 emulators.
As much as i would love to see it happen, i believe the N64 is as far as emulation will go on the Xperia Play.
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Highly unlikely.
As a general rule of thumb, you need a machine approximately 3 tims as powerful as the machine you are emulating.
My old 2.2ghz PC with duo Core and a 4670 ATI radeon is way more powerful than the xperia play, and it slowed to a grind with PS2 emulators.
As much as i would love to see it happen, i believe the N64 is as far as emulation will go on the Xperia Play.
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aha your missing the point my friend, forget emulators as such for the moment, sony do not need to emulate there software like conventional emulators do, as they have access to the proprietary code, that other companies cannot use because of copywrite, so they are using some java tricks and there own knowledge regarding there hardware to make the playstation games run more as a native android app than an emulator.
dsswoosh said:
Highly unlikely.
As a general rule of thumb, you need a machine approximately 3 tims as powerful as the machine you are emulating.
My old 2.2ghz PC with duo Core and a 4670 ATI radeon is way more powerful than the xperia play, and it slowed to a grind with PS2 emulators.
As much as i would love to see it happen, i believe the N64 is as far as emulation will go on the Xperia Play.
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Agreed xperia play will never play a ps2 game and if it does it will suffer from bad fps. But ps2 emulation may be available around the time that the psp2 comes out because thats when they will have the technology to do it. Xperia play is one of many playstation certified phones to come and probably the most inferior. Its a good handset to have especially for ps and old console emulators because of the gamepad.
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AndroHero said:
aha your missing the point my friend, forget emulators as such for the moment, sony do not need to emulate there software like conventional emulators do, as they have access to the proprietary code, that other companies cannot use because of copywrite, so they are using some java tricks and there own knowledge regarding there hardware to make the playstation games run more as a native android app than an emulator.
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Afaik playstation pocket is nothing more than an emulator.
Also the native code doesn't belong to Sony. It belongs to the game developers.
Also, the chances of Sony Ericson getting their hands on this is tiny.
The chances of them getting a developer team organised to decompile game code and recompile for the xperia play is even smaller.
All in all, its either emulation or nothing for older games tbh.
dsswoosh said:
Afaik playstation pocket is nothing more than an emulator.
Also the native code doesn't belong to Sony. It belongs to the game developers.
Also, the chances of Sony Ericson getting their hands on this is tiny.
The chances of them getting a developer team organised to decompile game code and recompile for the xperia play is even smaller.
All in all, its either emulation or nothing for older games tbh.
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Sorry i didnt mean that, when i said proprietary code, i meant the actual playstation firmware. sony have put hardware element of the playstation into the device, the app is no more than a loader, used to communicate between the hardware of the device and the files that make up the game, go look at the files on your sd card for crash bandicot, they look nothing like the files that you would get if you unpacked an image of the PS1 disk.
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Sorry i didnt mean that, when i said proprietary code, i meant the actual playstation firmware. sony have put hardware element of the playstation into the device, the app is no more than a loader, used to communicate between the hardware of the device and the files that make up the game, go look at the files on your sd card for crash bandicot, they look nothing like the files that you would get if you unpacked an image of the PS1 disk.
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I think it is a fair assumption to make that the playstation pocket games are encoded with an algorithm that playstation pocket decodes.
This ensures that you cant grab a ps1 iso and run it on playstation pocket.
Sony E wouldnt make any money selling games if you could simply grab an iso and run it.
Afaik though, the games are still being emulated. Not running natively. It is too much work to decompile old games, reprogram them and recompile them for too little profit.
Ps2 games will be emulated on xperia play 2. I doubt we will see them before. I would like to be wrong though.
The devs shoyld still have the source so ps2 games could be ported to the xperia play. It's more off a question if the investment will be worth it.
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The devs shoyld still have the source so ps2 games could be ported to the xperia play. It's more off a question if the investment will be worth it.
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sony only have to release source if it's covered by the GPL and anything playstation isnt
Maybe there is a chance for ICO
http://astrange.ithinksw.net/ico/
I mean that devs can port their own games and release them on the market (for a fee).
First, nobody didn't announce anything, that PS2 thing was just a rumor, Sony itself has never really confirmed it. Second, Sony didn't even release best PS1 games for Play, and the current list of available games is quite ridiculous (i mean, Super Boarders? Jumping Jack?! C'mon, Sony!).
By the way, did any of the devs/hackers take a look at Playstation Pocket and available PS1 games for adding support of .isos and .pbs? That's the only reason i'm checking Play forums. I've read that Geohot is looking forward for Xperia Play, but that was a long time ago.
You will not see PS2 games on the Xperia Play. Geohot will no longer be touching the Xperia Play as per his lawsuit resolution with Sony. PS1 games are running under emulation on the Xperia Play.
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First, nobody didn't announce anything, that PS2 thing was just a rumor, Sony itself has never really confirmed it. Second, Sony didn't even release best PS1 games for Play, and the current list of available games is quite ridiculous (i mean, Super Boarders? Jumping Jack?! C'mon, Sony!).
By the way, did any of the devs/hackers take a look at Playstation Pocket and available PS1 games for adding support of .isos and .pbs? That's the only reason i'm checking Play forums. I've read that Geohot is looking forward for Xperia Play, but that was a long time ago.
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Sony has confirmed that ps2 games will be availible just not for the play..... i quote "playstation 2 games will be availible when the playstation suite launches for tegra 2 based playstation certified devices"
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So can someone explain, I am not complaining or anything, but where is the PlayStation suite games (Not the android ones)? Have they released anything more? I know that there's few of them on the marketplace, you can also use PSXerpia tool to play PS1 games, but where are the official ones? I mean there's no awesome titles released, phone was released back in march, is it dead or something? They still making ICS for it so..?
All I found is this:
https://market.android.com/developer?pub=Sony+Computer+Entertainment+Europe+Limited ...1 game?
I mean this phone (as I know) is little more powerfull then PSP, and all I see is one PS1 game in my region. Where are all the Sony exclusive games? God Of War, some MGS, GTA LCS or anything? Are they even planning to release anything? I am confused.
Poland - I see 10 games.
Gotta wait for Playstation Suite, I'd imagine it's coming with the Vita
its out.... i got it its got about 5 games check threads on xda
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PS Pocket app keeps telling me that my region is not supported, how to avoid this problem? I have rooted phone.
This is Sony (Sony Ericsson before) not Sony Computer Entertainment.
This isn't an official PlayStation phone. It's an Android phone that's PlayStation certified.There's a difference.
This is what many people thought when it was announced/launched. Don't expect any SCE published games launching exclusively to the Xperia Play.
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PS Pocket app keeps telling me that my region is not supported, how to avoid this problem? I have rooted phone.
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You can fake your provider to whatever is most convenient and you will be able to purchase some official PlayStation games from the Android Market if they are available.
I faked to Orange (Canada) and was able to purchase games with my US account.
Just use FPse mate
They have been supporting the Xperia play since it came out and you can play all your favorite Ps1 Games 100% relived.
You can also check out N64oid for a Nintendo emulator or try the other one. Mupen64 but it supports the analog sticks.
I have personally tested Mario 64 on it and it's amazing.
Now onto the bit about XP being more powerful then a PSP?
All of that hope is smacked down with the release of this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Vita
The vita is 2x faster than a Xperia play and it's the next generation PSP coming to NA very soon. SCEA will only be worried about making games for that.
So if you wanted an android computer and you got a xperia. you have made a wise choice . if you wanted a gaming device 100% purely. you made a bad one I think
Nah it's ok, I am not big time gamer or something, just wondering.
I have 10 games available and the Official PS app when I check that link. It is ludicrous that it varies so much across the European Union. Ridiculous
I have 10 to. Uuhm ps app? Which link?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/23/psp-games-playstation-certified-devices-ESRB/
they are converting games to work for some devices.
thought it would be nice to update you lot since alot of people ask about psp games on xperia play or any devices
i hope it work for the xperia play i dont see why not if its being developed by sony but not worth getting your hopes up for yet just wait and see for more info
one step in the LONG ASTOUNDINGLY slow road
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one step in the LONG ASTOUNDINGLY slow road
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I agree, I want to be excited for this but how many more times are we going to get nuggets like this with absolutely 0 results. Every month its "coming out next month"
It gives me hope. Aren't play and sony s/p the only ps sertified devices at the moment?
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It gives me hope. Aren't play and sony s/p the only ps sertified devices at the moment?
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I think there's a Jap only Arc variant that's PS certified and I think I read the S and Ion will be PS certified when they launch
Very Nice.
This makes me wonder, if they are being emulated is there any chance of doing same trick as with Playstation pocket, y know
Playing your own PSone games on Plays native emulator
Would be pretty neat
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This makes me wonder, if they are being emulated is there any chance of doing same trick as with Playstation pocket, y know
Playing your own PSone games on Plays native emulator
Would be pretty neat
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Someone refer this guy to Yifan Lu's PSXperia.
actually i was looking and ive been wondering if they will overhaul the emulator to stop the current flaw if not we have a chance otherwise we need another good developer to start reverse engineering the moment it comes out
True True he's a noob to this no sweat lol
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Someone refer this guy to Yifan Lu's PSXperia.
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I dont know did you understand my point or did i misunderstand everything you said
I know about PSXperia, my question was about native PSP emulation.
I think i just didnt understand you but it hurts nobody to clear things up
Thewonderboy said:
I dont know did you understand my point or did i misunderstand everything you said
I know about PSXperia, my question was about native PSP emulation.
I think i just didnt understand you but it hurts nobody to clear things up
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At the moment i guess psp emulation is taboo, and it will probably never emulate games like kingdom hearts, crisis core, or dissidia, yeah im a square fan, sorry
Thewonderboy said:
I dont know did you understand my point or did i misunderstand everything you said
I know about PSXperia, my question was about native PSP emulation.
I think i just didnt understand you but it hurts nobody to clear things up
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please please just forget about psp emulation its extremely hard and wont happen on our device by any devs on here. unless sony announces that they are releasing a psp emulator in playstation suite (about a 2% chance) then out it to the back of your head and never mention it. it just wont happen for technical reasons.
Sniper Spr3e said:
please please just forget about psp emulation its extremely hard and wont happen on our device by any devs on here. unless sony announces that they are releasing a psp emulator in playstation suite (about a 2% chance) then out it to the back of your head and never mention it. it just wont happen for technical reasons.
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My keyword was IF
If these upcoming PSP titles for PS store are truly emulated, could it be cracked/hacked/tamed or just used for our own games just like PSXperia does with PSX tittles ?
But i agree its unlikely, they are possibly ported, but if if
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My keyword was IF
If these upcoming PSP titles for PS store are truly emulated, could it be cracked/hacked/tamed or just used for our own games just like PSXperia does with PSX tittles ?
But i agree its unlikely, they are possibly ported, but if if
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well i believe they are ported so have been changed ti run natively on arm devices (such as our play) but if it is emulated there is a slight chance that it could be abused in such a way as psxperia is.
on a side note if you download any ps1 games off the market such as medievil they have updated them to 1.0.4 which has a license check each time it starts which may stop psxperia working in ice cream sandwich with a updated crash apk to 1.0.4 if they force it
(this is actaully bad as it means your phone uses alot more data checking licenses which doesnt bother me as i have unlimited data allowance but other users may get annoyed if they have a small limited amount of data)
does anyone know if this in tablet form yet,i tried emailing but i keep getting the postmaster reply,.i.e. failed
it shows on the gameloft site $4.99
http://www.gameloft.com/android-games/splinter-cell-conviction/
metalwraith said:
it shows on the gameloft site $4.99
http://www.gameloft.com/android-games/splinter-cell-conviction/
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i bought it last year for my s2 but it wont start on my n7,was just wondering if it was available on tablet form
doesn't show up in the market when i do a search.. so i'm assuming not. least not yet.
metalwraith said:
it shows on the gameloft site $4.99
http://www.gameloft.com/android-games/splinter-cell-conviction/
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doesn't show up in the market when i do a search.. so i'm assuming not. least not yet.
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just seen you can get it on amazon us but not uk its not that good that i will move to america
Splinter Cell
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does anyone know if this in tablet form yet,i tried emailing but i keep getting the postmaster reply,.i.e. failed
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Sadly Splinter Cell has been removed by Gameloft in fact almost all android Gameloft games from that era have been removed. There has been no update to the titles to even work on modern devices, like the powerful Nexus 7 and it's second incarnation (my favorite tablet BTW it has the brightest screen and most DPI and best colors over any any hand held device. Full 1080p). But a side gem idk if your a id software fan but Darkplaces (a modern Quake engine that been being built for years now) has been ported to android and iOS. Darkplaces allows Quake games to be played with normal mapping and full dynamic lighting. You can even load alot of mods (smoke, fog, rain, particle flame efx) you might have lying around straight into the engine. The author has also ported Doom 3 which looks very nice on the Nexus 7 2013 ed. And FYI in case you didn't know with the Nexus 7 (both versions) you can grab a OTG cable for 5 dollars on amazon and play your games with a Xbox controller, and the Nexus 7 2013 ed you can plug it into your HD TV and use it as a monitor. Makes me want to throw my Xbox out in the street. Darkplaces and Doom 3 can found on the Google market place. No Splinter Cell has had me bummed for a few years now. But hopefully this will provide some pretty entertainment in its place.
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Alternatively there is "Onlive" for android let's you play new high end games on any android device. I use it on my old 2010 phone. Its like stream but instead of downloading game files it simply streams the audio and video to your device. I can't remember if Splinter Cell Conviction is still one of its playable games but it was at one time. You can download it for free and even watch other players live around the world playing titles like Batman or Darksiders. Keep in mind you have to pay for subscription but feel free to see if they have titles you like play demos to check to see if your internet can handle the data. Cause you need a good solid net connection if your looking for Xbox or PlayStation quality graphics. Hope these post help ya out.
Hey everyone!
I've been on the edge about the OUYA for a while now and am thinking that this thing could either really take off or be a pretty big bust. At $99 I feel like this could be a great media streaming device with some basic games on the side. I'm currently deciding between this and the ROKU 3.
If the OUYA eventually gets some FPS games like MC4 where you can use online gampelay and get direct support from Netflix and other streaming services this could be a great product for me. My thing is, do I really wanna pay $99 for this thing only to find that it eventually gets no dev support?
Also, I understand you can sideload apps and do all that stuff, but this is an entertainment and gaming device. I have a rooted GS4 and N7, so if I wanna sideload apps and flash a bunch of custom roms I'll use one of them. When I turn on my OUYA I want a flawless experience without having to do anything to it.
So convince me why I should buy the OUYA.
Because its cool. What else are you going to spend a hundred bucks on?
Why should we convince you? It doesn't affect us whether or not you get one
Because you will be ahead if the revolution. You'll be cool before it was cool.
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Nxxx said:
Hey everyone!
I've been on the edge about the OUYA for a while now and am thinking that this thing could either really take off or be a pretty big bust. At $99 I feel like this could be a great media streaming device with some basic games on the side. I'm currently deciding between this and the ROKU 3.
If the OUYA eventually gets some FPS games like MC4 where you can use online gampelay and get direct support from Netflix and other streaming services this could be a great product for me. My thing is, do I really wanna pay $99 for this thing only to find that it eventually gets no dev support?
Also, I understand you can sideload apps and do all that stuff, but this is an entertainment and gaming device. I have a rooted GS4 and N7, so if I wanna sideload apps and flash a bunch of custom roms I'll use one of them. When I turn on my OUYA I want a flawless experience without having to do anything to it.
So convince me why I should buy the OUYA.
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I got my Ouya last week. I was excited at first, but I literally played with it for 10 minutes and it is a POS. It has since been listed on craigslist and is sitting in a corner of my room. And guess what, not one person on craigslist has contacted me about it. The firmware is buddy, the games look terrible, there is no Netflix support as of yet. Not ready for primetime.
For a media streaming device, its not really there yet. You would be better served with the Roku.
Remember though, the device hasn't even been released for the general public yet. It's only been out of most of the Kickstater for a few weeks (some are still waiting). I finally started tinking with mine yesterday. It's definitely in a more or less, beta stage.
Basically, what you said is basically what people are doing. Getting APKs from their other Android devices, side loading, and seeing what works. Some try tweaking the APKs to get to work better. Related, but not on point, there are no, or very few custom roms for the device thus far. It's not a device for the flashaholic.
As you implied, there is a bit of redundancy of having it and another Android, such as Galaxy S4 or Nexus7. This is device that you can leave hooked up to the TV, whereas the others, not really since you'll want to take them on the go; I don't believe the N7 can be hooked up the TV.
I say it something to get if you like tinkering with an Android device, And can live with it that it may not work exactly like you hope. For me, I like the Ouya device. Yet, it has all the things I like, and hate, about the Android platform. End of the day, it is still an Android device.
Although, the Roku 3 will serve your media stream needs, at least most of them, you're not going to get MC4.
acetkbez said:
I got my Ouya last week. I was excited at first, but I literally played with it for 10 minutes and it is a POS. It has since been listed on craigslist and is sitting in a corner of my room. And guess what, not one person on craigslist has contacted me about it. The firmware is buddy, the games look terrible, there is no Netflix support as of yet. Not ready for primetime.
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You do know that you were correct in saying it's not ready for primetime yet, right? I mean they've even said that, maybe not in those words but still. If you've only messed with it for 10 minutes, then you have missed 99% of what it can do.
to OP: If you are looking for a super Android based media machine, this might not be for you. Why? Because it's a brand new concept, the first of it's kind. Will it have the capability to match or even surpass the Roku's of the world? I believe so, but not without some tinkering. There is a LOT it has to offer and at $99, it's a good deal.
The thing comes out of the box ready for apps to be downloaded both from the web and from the OUYA market. I think the term sideloading intimidates people, but the truth is getting an app on this thing is as easy as opening the built in browser, googling the app you want, and clicking download. This gets even easier when you install AirDroid and you can do it all from your laptop!
So what I'm trying to say is out of the box without tinkering you still have access to almost all non-drm Android apps. NOt all of them look right, but so far many work good.
As for the buggy stuff, as someone else mentioned, this is more of a beta phase than anything else, I suspect we'll see a large update in the next week before official release.
So if you want a rather powerful little device to play some good games (including the fact it has (or will have) all the emulators for Atari to PS1 on the OUYA market), with the potential to blow away what a ROKU can do, your $99 could not be better spent, but if you want something that is a sure thing for media only, get the ROKU.
Thanks for all the above everyone. I think I'm going to wait a little bit and see how things go. It sounds like a real cool device, but it really has its own little niche.
I'm not bashing on it or anything, but right now it doesn't seem to be really good at anything from what I've heard from you all.
It doesn't have great games and isn't a product for gamers. Doesn't have the media streaming services.
Until OUYA gets a deal with Netflix or a solid FPS comes out, I'm going to sit back and wait. I really want this product to succeed because it seems like it could be really functional and portable.
If I missed anything or you would like to correct me on anything please do. I'm open to all thoughts and opinions.
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Netflix's app just need tweaking for the controller input. Some have had better luck with it. I know I can bounce around with Sixasis controller enabled on my Galaxy Note 2 better than I was getting on the Ouya. Kind of odd. This is going to true for all media streaming apps. Some just may work better from the get go, so the updating/tweaking may be very minimal.
There are some good games. Chrono Blade looked nice and played well. I only played a few minutes. I briefly checked out Monster Boxing. Reminded me of Punch Out!. Its typical of situation of when a console launches. Couple gems, lots a mediocre, and even more crap.
Some of of what you ask is subjective. We don't know what kind of games you think are good. We don't know unbuggy something can be and still be a good experience for you. Don't know how much you like, want, or need to tinker. We're just trying to give a more objective facts based on experience and reading so you can decide a little more informed.
And thing is true, it's definitely a niche product. And most likely, any Android "game" console is going to be niche
acetkbez said:
I got my Ouya last week. I was excited at first, but I literally played with it for 10 minutes and it is a POS. It has since been listed on craigslist and is sitting in a corner of my room. And guess what, not one person on craigslist has contacted me about it. The firmware is buddy, the games look terrible, there is no Netflix support as of yet. Not ready for primetime.
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Did you try to get more for it than what you paid? Theres some one where I'm at trying to sell one for more than it cost them. Plus not knowing how to tell if he has the good controllers or the bad ones makes me nervous about buying his. Also you knew what you were signing up for right?
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Because it's a brand new concept, the first of it's kind. Will it have the capability to match or even surpass the Roku's of the world? I believe so, but not without some tinkering. There is a LOT it has to offer and at $99, it's a good deal.
So if you want a rather powerful little device to play some good games (including the fact it has (or will have) all the emulators for Atari to PS1 on the OUYA market), with the potential to blow away what a ROKU can do, your $99 could not be better spent, but if you want something that is a sure thing for media only, get the ROKU.
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I wouldn't say this is the first of its kind. There are many China Android boxes out there that run pure Android. These Chinese boxes already do Netflix. However, none of the China Android boxes in the market right now have Tegra3. They're all dual core processors with some Mali400 graphics component. The difference in graphics ability is big enough between Tegra3 and the Mali chips on the China Android boxes to convince me to pick Ouya over the currently available choices. The China Android boxes can just play HD, but there's not a lot of headroom, and they cost about the same as the Ouya. The Ouya is a better value. You get a controller (now fixed) and a high profile American company over a non-responsive Chinese manufacturer.
If we don't get any developer support for a pure Android ROM, that means the Ouya could do 2 solid things:
1) local media player (XBMC). Local meaning media files from your network, not Netflix media.
2) small games and game emulator
That is enough to satisfy me for a $100 device. That's because I'm not a Netflix user. The Roku, for about the same price, wouldn't add any more capability. The China Android boxes might have a slight lead because they run pure Android. Realistically, the China manufacturers will eventually be making Tegra3 level Android boxes running pure Android. Probably by the end of this year. And these boxes would rival the Ouya in terms of functionality.
I haven't been keeping up with the development work. What are the chances that we'll see a pure Android ROM for the Ouya? I know that's a subjective question.
Asadullah said:
Plus not knowing how to tell if he has the good controllers or the bad ones makes me nervous about buying his.
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A bit off topic but can you tell me what made the bad controllers bad? I have heard people say there were problems, but not what the problems were.
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I wouldn't say this is the first of its kind. There are many China Android boxes out there that run pure Android. These Chinese boxes already do Netflix. However, none of the China Android boxes in the market right now have Tegra3. They're all dual core processors with some Mali400 graphics component. The difference in graphics ability is big enough between Tegra3 and the Mali chips on the China Android boxes to convince me to pick Ouya over the currently available choices. The China Android boxes can just play HD, but there's not a lot of headroom, and they cost about the same as the Ouya. The Ouya is a better value. You get a controller (now fixed) and a high profile American company over a non-responsive Chinese manufacturer.
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While the China boxes might be out there, it's not something I'd go through again...I've bought plenty of things from China that never worked or worked right. I will say you are right about there being other options, though, but I meant more official.
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If we don't get any developer support for a pure Android ROM, that means the Ouya could do 2 solid things:
1) local media player (XBMC). Local meaning media files from your network, not Netflix media.
2) small games and game emulator
That is enough to satisfy me for a $100 device. That's because I'm not a Netflix user.
I haven't been keeping up with the development work. What are the chances that we'll see a pure Android ROM for the Ouya? I know that's a subjective question.
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XBMC already "kinda" supports OUYA. I say it that way because it's a known fact that you can get it up and running the same way you have to on your phone/tablet and that the people at OUYA are talking to the people at XBMC, so I think it's likely we'll see that in the market as soon as a stable release is found. I believe the same goes for Netflix. I am a netflix user and would love to see HD netflix on this thing, which shouldn't be hard, but it's not my main concern right now. WIthout the Google Architecture, them managing DRM on the thing shouldn't be too hard.
As for games, I'm not sure if "small games" is the correct term. Sure, they won't be Playstation 3/Xbox 360 quality, but I think people will be surprised at how much devs can push this thing! The ball is a good example of pretty good graphics, better than I originally thought possible, and it can only get better. While I didn't buy it with the thought of it being used as an Emulator, that's one of the main things I've done with it. Most recently I got PPSSPP to work on it and actually played a game.
As for development work, I know people are already working on builds, some already running in alpha, so I do believe we'll see some stable pure android ROM's sooner than later, although personally I wouldn't be using one. I like the structure that OUYA has laid over it and plan on keeping it that way, even if I am in the minority with that idea.
JLCollier2005 said:
A bit off topic but can you tell me what made the bad controllers bad? I have heard people say there were problems, but not what the problems were.
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Buttons sticking and not reacting as quickly as they should. Ouya did offer to replace any ones that was messed up like that and fixed the problem but some people didn't know that.
Asadullah said:
Buttons sticking and not reacting as quickly as they should. Ouya did offer to replace any ones that was messed up like that and fixed the problem but some people didn't know that.
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Ah okay. I should make sure I didn't get any messed up ones, I haven't tried my second controller. Thanks!
I regret buying the OUYA. There's not enough to it. Not enough games. The idea was great, and with the millions upon millions of kickstarter funds I sure expected more.
Wish I got the ROKU HD instead.
Muckrak3r said:
I regret buying the OUYA. There's not enough to it. Not enough games. The idea was great, and with the millions upon millions of kickstarter funds I sure expected more.
Wish I got the ROKU HD instead.
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Not enough games? Can you tell me the last console that released with 154 (and counting since it's not officially released) games/apps? It's unprecedented. I don't know what you (or many others like you) expected, maybe you expected it to be more like a phone or tablet (and if that's the case, I can understand where you're coming from, I thought the same thing until I really thought about it).
The OUYA is doing things no other console has ever done, but people are not seeing it. The simple fact is that OUYA didn't (and shouldn't) put all the money into it day one, they need to think of the longevity of their product and their company.
Could they have done more? Sure! One thing is they should have thought about first party games. With the amount of money they made, they could have had a select few working on some top notch games for release. Being a brand new company, they struggled in getting support, however some big names have signed on to test the waters. With some good support, I wouldn't be surprised to see console quality games ported to the OUYA. Not as good graphics, of course, but that was never expected.
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Not enough games? Can you tell me the last console that released with 154 (and counting since it's not officially released) games/apps? It's unprecedented.
The OUYA is doing things no other console has ever done, but people are not seeing it.
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I don't really think the Ouya is doing something that no other console has ever done. There has been several Android set-top boxes out before Ouya. They run pure Android. Ouya is just bringing a game store to the Android set-top box idea. I wouldn't say it's revolutionary. I think some of the games that are out are just existing games from the Android play store anyways.
And I'm saying this as a pre-order customer for Ouya.
I have a Roku 3 and it is amazing. I am a cord cutter and got my sisters Time Warner and HBO Go login. I have Hulu Plus and Netflix. I also use Blockbuster and Amazon on Demand. The roku3 is butter man. Two leagues of their own. The Roku has magnificent streaming capabilities and never drops video. It balances bandwidth but never drops. It has a wealth of video watching. Games on the Roku3 are fun but an afterthought/gimmicky.
Ouya is a game console primarily and should be considered as such. My android devices can do Netflix and stuff but typically drop and have to rebuffer often. Some video services like Hulu Plus don't even work on Ouya yet.
I want an Ouya and recommend getting both but I would buy the Roku3 over the Ouya first IMO.
It just all depends on your priorities. We can play games on our cellphones but the family can't watch TV on one. If you have an alternative TV service like cable and streaming is not a priority then pick up a Ouya and see if it will suffice in place of both. I know my wife wouldn't use a game controller to control the TV.
Like previously stated, the Ouya is merely a new interface right now. Once it gains its foothold I think unique games will start to spruce up and it will take off.
I'm buying one just for multiplayer controller support, something no other android device can successfully do from my experience. My MK808 and N7 all see multiple controllers as the same player1 controller. I'd like to be able to play some old school Mortal Kombat and Mario Kart with my son and buddies.
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Muckrak3r said:
I regret buying the OUYA. There's not enough to it. Not enough games. The idea was great, and with the millions upon millions of kickstarter funds I sure expected more.
Wish I got the ROKU HD instead.
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I'll trade you my first gen Roku XDS and MK808 with external Antenna mod and a RC11 AirMouse.
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Muckrak3r said:
I regret buying the OUYA. There's not enough to it. Not enough games. The idea was great, and with the millions upon millions of kickstarter funds I sure expected more.
Wish I got the ROKU HD instead.
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This kind of response astounds me, but I'll just address one tiny point. The money given to OUYA. I hope everyone realizes that even including the venture capital $$, OUYA funding barely matches the advertising budgets for the big two, right. I mean, the Xbox 360 took five (?) years to become profitable. The idea that a device running Android, funded by kickstarter, and planned and developed in a year for release to retail, and then immediately viewed as a bad value in comparison to the big two is just mind-boggling.
It's not perfect, but it's great for its intended use.
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I agree. I just launched. Right now it is piggy backing off of the Android market but that is just the icing on the cake. With Mobile games becoming more and more advanced, it is nice to have the ability to play both. But that isn't what the Ouya is about. The Ouya is about CREATING a platform for people to build games out of their basement and get them public. Not all great minds work for a big company. Look how Minecraft took off. Minecraft NEVER would have been able to build directly for a console.
There are tons of fun games to play right out of the box for free. No other console does this. Aside from emulators, the Ouya is about an idea, spawned from the little people who just want to make and play games. Buying an Ouya doesn't just buy you an Ouya, but supports the idea that games don't have to cost $60. Perhaps if MS/Sony/Apple/Nintendo wouldn't charge so damn much just for stupid licensing and fees, we might live in a totally radical world right now.
If you can't appreciate the Ouya, then you can't look past your nose to see the big picture. It just isn't a purchase but an investment into a totally new way of creating and playing games. I, for one, cannot wait to see how the Ouya blossums and develops over the next year. If you are looking for instant gratification then the Ouya might fail you today. I think it is a worth while purchase just to have a dedicated emulator machine that plays on the big screen.