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Q1. Does Universal support Multi-touch input method?
Q2. Does Universal support Accelerometer sensor for auto-rotate?
Q3. Does Universal support Proximity sensor for auto turn-off?
Q4. Does Universal(65K colors) supports a better screen compaired to iPhone(16M colors)?
Q5. Will Universal support Operating System WindowsMobile 7?
1. No
2. No
3. No
4. The Uni has a better resolution than the iPhone, the colors are the same; I dare say that the iPhone offers a better backlighting and color quality than the Universal... but that's just a guess and might be totally wrong.
5. Unlikely because of 1. - 3. and the Universal's skimpy 64 MB of RAM.
Please keep in mind that the Universal was devised in 2005 when nobody was even thinking about the advanced concepts that WM 2007 is going to bring. We have been more than lucky that our baby was chosen as the development device for WM6... else we might just have been stuck with WM5. So as much as I'd love to see WM7 run on the little one it's probably not going to happen (probably because some of the geniuses on our board might just find a way ). I just hope that there will be a decent replacement at that time!
i think the HD2 is an amazing piece of hardware and its clearly better than any other competing product in the coming few months. i do however hate a few things about it:
1-the lack of front camera for 3G video calls. while i may not care a lot about video calls i imagine that many will be missing it.
2-i see no point of releasing a separate delayed hardware revision for US market. especially when you consider that the rest of the world version lacks the front camera just like every other US phone. the Acer F1(another 1 GHZ 3G phone) has been available for a while and it supports US 3G bands on the same hardware and it even has the front camera.
3- considering that its the best multimedia phone made by HTC, its lacking the TV-out and the FM-Radio transmitter and better camera(all of which are supported by the N97)
4- the included 512MB ROM is a joke. i know that it can be expanded with SD card. but extra flash on the device is always useful. the 1.5 year old Omnia had 8/16/24BG+microSD why cant this have it. adding 8 or 16 GB flash costs HTC almost nothing to add
5-lack of stylus: HTC patented the capacitive stylus but they didnt use it. i know the the screen is big enough to be very finger friendly. but its still windows mobile and some applications work need stylus (for example Pocket artist).
6- lack of hardware buttons (especially camera). i wish the added 2 or 3 buttons on the empty sides. WM will always make use of the hardware buttons
7-despite the very high specs, its still less than the minimum Windows mobile7 specs (which requires Tegra level graphics performance acceleration and bigger than integrated storage ) which means that it will not be
upgradeable to wm7.
8-i dont understand the 320+128MB. the dedicated 128MB for the low performing graphics chip seems pointless to me. if they are going to put all this memory there why didnt they allocate it to program memory.
9- i really love how HTC managed to make the device reasonably small considering the huge 4.3" screen. i still think that its physically too big for many people. the HD was not very pocket friendly and this one is even bigger. i wish the screen was 4.0" or even 3.8". considering their recent improved and more efficient designs, im sure HTC would have been able to even make it friendly for one hand use with a smaller screen.
10- im not too big on the new standard micro-USB connector. they should have at lest included the hard to find mini-USB to micro-USB adapter with it. everybody already has several mini-USB cables/chargers but ive never actually seen a micro USB yet.
11- they increased up the specs (and power usage i would assume) significantly from the first HD but they reduced the battery size from 1350 to 1250mah!!!. luckily the early reports are suggesting "acceptable" battery life
Only thing missing for me on the device is a decent camera. I don't mean HTC standard... I mean the best of Nokia, Samsung & Sony Ericsson. The original HD took terrible pictures and videos. I don't think there is much improvement in this area from previews and videos.
TV-Out would of been great but sadly missing.
I don't care about front camera because I hardly ever use video call.
It's probably more of a business centric device but with such a large screen it could have so easily been the ultimate work and pleasure phone.
I'm leaning towards the Nokia N900 (Linux) but still undecided.
Just some thoughts for your annoyances! (I currently own an Omnia too)
THE GRIZZ said:
1-the lack of front camera for 3G video calls. while i may not care a lot about video calls i imagine that many will be missing it.
3G has been around for a while with a front video camera, but I can truly say that I don't know a single person that actually uses it. It's a gimmick IMO.
2-i see no point of releasing a separate delayed hardware revision for US market. especially when you consider that the rest of the world version lacks the front camera just like every other US phone. the Acer F1(another 1 GHZ 3G phone) has been available for a while and it supports US 3G bands on the same hardware and it even has the front camera.
I don't see the point either - bit silly if you ask me.
3- considering that its the best multimedia phone made by HTC, its lacking the TV-out and the FM-Radio transmitter and better camera(all of which are supported by the N97)
FM what? It still bedazzles me that people listen to FM radio these days. Surely most people have unlimited internet now and like I just use internet radio. More stations! As for the TV-out, again, I don't see the point really. Personally I use my netbook/laptop/pc for plugging into a tv since they can play HD. I supposed it would be nice if you want to show off photos to friends but then we all have facebook these days anyway For me, not a sore exclusion.
4- the included 512MB ROM is a joke. i know that it can be expanded with SD card. but extra flash on the device is always useful. the 1.5 year old Omnia had 8/16/24BG+microSD why cant this have it. adding 8 or 16 GB flash costs HTC almost nothing to add
I love the additional 8GB of the Omnia, but I guess they have to keep costs down somewhere. I have a 16GB micro SD, but when are 24/32 going to be available? Anyone know?
5-lack of stylus: HTC patented the capacitive stylus but they didnt use it. i know the the screen is big enough to be very finger friendly. but its still windows mobile and some applications work need stylus (for example Pocket artist).
I think you can still use a stylus but you have to set it up to do so (I saw it in another post on here).
6- lack of hardware buttons (especially camera). i wish the added 2 or 3 buttons on the empty sides. WM will always make use of the hardware buttons
There is no excuse for extra buttons down the side, although it makes it a bit more sleek I guess. But it's not like it doesn't take photos, it's just a useablitly thing.
7-despite the very high specs, its still less than the minimum Windows mobile7 specs (which requires Tegra level graphics performance acceleration) which means that it will not be
upgradeable to wm7.
I'm not sure that's right is it? In that original Leo thread in the main board, wasn't it confirmed that it will be upgradable? I think it's remains a bit of an unknown at the moment. That said, will wm7 be complete in 12 months? Given M$'s history of keeping to their planned dates, I doubt it. I think cookers will make it happen anyway and if not, in 12 months it will be upgrade time. Did someone say HD3?!
8-i dont understand the 320+128MB. the dedicated 128MB for the low performing graphics chip seems pointless to me. if they are going to put all this memory there why didnt they allocate it to program memory.
This one I have no idea about. Maybe they have something clever up their sleeves?
9- i really love how HTC managed to make the device reasonably small considering the huge 4.3" screen. i still think that its physically too big for many people. the HD was not very pocket friendly and this one is even bigger. i wish the screen was 4.0" or even 3.8". considering their recent improved and more efficient designs, im sure HTC would have been able to even make it friendly for one hand use with a smaller screen.
Well lets look at the iPhone. It's a huge seller. The HD2 is only a couple of mm's wider and taller so I don't see anyone is going to see it as an issue when they put it in their hands.
10- im not too big on the micro-USB connector. they should have at lest included the hard to find mini-USB adapter with it. everybody already has several mini-USB cables/chargers but ive never actually seen a micro USB yet.
I totally disagree here. It's the new universal format. You won't have seen many yet because devices are JUST beginning to emerge with it (ie Omnia 2). Already it's working because Samsung usually have their own proprietary connector so to see them go universal is a fantastic step in the right direction. It would be blind of HTC not to follow. So yes, bin those old Mini-USB
11- they increased up the specs (and power usage i would assume) significantly from the first HD but they reduced the battery size from 1350 to 1250mah!!!. luckily the early reports are suggesting "acceptable" battery life
I really hope it can last at least one full day of decent usage without the requirement of a charge. Surely they wouldn't make this wonderful device then shoot themselves in the foot??
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Anyway some good points there!
7-despite the very high specs, its still less than the minimum Windows mobile7 specs (which requires Tegra level graphics performance acceleration) which means that it will not be
upgradeable to wm7
I'm not sure that's right is it? In that original Leo thread in the main board, wasn't it confirmed that it will be upgradable? I think it's remains a bit of an unknown at the moment. That said, will wm7 be complete in 12 months? Given M$'s history of keeping to their planned dates, I doubt it. I think cookers will make it happen anyway and if not, in 12 months it will be upgrade time. Did someone say HD3?!
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It is very likely WM7 will be out by mid to late next year. WM8 is already being discussed as I understand it and WM6 and 6.5 have been universally panned (and quite rightly).
So if you purchase the HD2 assuming it will be out of date in less than 10 months then all well but I suspect many will not be happy (including me). I don't mind spending extra bucks now to avoid doubling my investment by having to purchase two devices in the space of 10 months!
Do you have the link to the original "in the original Leo thread in the main board, wasn't it confirmed that it will be upgradable? "
add this to the list:
1. lack of full-fledged graphics drivers (3D)
2. lack of d-pad; or trackball like blackberrys
1) Front Camera - most people don't use them so not a big deal
2) Buy the Acer if you like it (have fun)
3) it has got an FM Radio onboard I believe
4) Memory could be better but its got an SD card so just by a 16gb card.
5) The point is you don't need a stylus - am I missing something. If you wannt a Stylus get an Omnia 2
6) The camera button could have been useful - but nobody knows if one of the front buttons cannot be used. Shall we wait till its been reviewed fully before we slag it off.
7) Its been clearly stated that the specs do not say "Tegra" only. Thats just not true. Makes me laugh that a phone with great 3d potential and dedicated memory like the HD2 is being slagged off for no reason.
8) The screen size is the best part of the phone - it can be used to watch video, surf the net, etc. So it has to be big to fit the screen - not an issue.
9) Micro-USB!! - You mean the defacto standard now.
10) Nobody knows about battery life yet so lets hold fire.
Why are you interested in the phone if non of its main selling points you like?
because despite its "limitations" its still a lot better than the rest now.
take a chill pill dude and try to tone-down the fanboiasm. our nitpicking will make it very easy for HTC to make the HD3 a better device. also by highlighting them so early in its life, it will make easy easy for its users to deal with its potential issues
Teneka_Khan said:
1) Front Camera - most people don't use them so not a big deal
2) Buy the Acer if you like it (have fun)
3) it has got an FM Radio onboard I believe
4) Memory could be better but its got an SD card so just by a 16gb card.
5) The point is you don't need a stylus - am I missing something. If you wannt a Stylus get an Omnia 2
6) The camera button could have been useful - but nobody knows if one of the front buttons cannot be used. Shall we wait till its been reviewed fully before we slag it off.
7) Its been clearly stated that the specs do not say "Tegra" only. Thats just not true. Makes me laugh that a phone with great 3d potential and dedicated memory like the HD2 is being slagged off for no reason.
8) The screen size is the best part of the phone - it can be used to watch video, surf the net, etc. So it has to be big to fit the screen - not an issue.
9) Micro-USB!! - You mean the defacto standard now.
10) Nobody knows about battery life yet so lets hold fire.
Why are you interested in the phone if non of its main selling points you like?
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I haved discovered that it does support WM7http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7528 states
(QCOM 8k, Nvidia “Tegra” AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Qualcomm 8k = Snapdragon's QSD8xxx-series chips = Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 (which is in the Leo).. so the processor should meet WM7 chassis 1 requirement.
To answer the FM radio question - the answer is YES
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2-2957.php
I agree with the comments above. There is no such thing as a perfect device but you have got to congratulate HTC on the HD2 being one of the closest to it.
alecs said:
I haved discovered that it does support WM7http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7528 states
(QCOM 8k, Nvidia “Tegra” AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Qualcomm 8k = Snapdragon's QSD8xxx-series chips = Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 (which is in the Leo).. so the processor should meet WM7 chassis 1 requirement.
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The processor does, but the Chassis 1 spec also specifies at least 1GB of flash (and at least 512mb fast flash).
The HD2 only comes with 512mb internal memory.
Sc4Freak said:
The processor does, but the Chassis 1 spec also specifies at least 1GB of flash (and at least 512mb fast flash).
The HD2 only comes with 512mb internal memory.
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By 1GB of flash I believe that means available storage i.e. an SD card
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
I am not sure what fast flash means but these are minumum specs and doesn't mean the device can't run WM7, it may just lag in certain spots though somehow I doubt this thing will lag even on WM7
Is the specified 65k for the screen a hardware or software limitation? I know Windows Mobile 6.5 only supports 65k effective colors, but when WM 7 launches would the device be able to display more colors?
Toss3 said:
Is the specified 65k for the screen a hardware or software limitation? I know Windows Mobile 6.5 only supports 65k effective colors, but when WM 7 launches would the device be able to display more colors?
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sure it does . they dont make "65K color display" !
Most mobile phone LCD screens are 262K colours (18-bit). (This includes many of the displays used on phones that are advertised as supporting 24-bit colour.)
manuelcalavera said:
sure it does . they dont make "65K color display" !
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But does anyone know the actual maximum bit-depth of the display?
The GRIZZ said:
3- considering that its the best multimedia phone made by HTC, its lacking the TV-out and the FM-Radio transmitter and better camera(all of which are supported by the N97)
FM what? It still bedazzles me that people listen to FM radio these days. Surely most people have unlimited internet now and like I just use internet radio. More stations! As for the TV-out, again, I don't see the point really. Personally I use my netbook/laptop/pc for plugging into a tv since they can play HD. I supposed it would be nice if you want to show off photos to friends but then we all have facebook these days anyway For me, not a sore exclusion.
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Dude theres a difference between FM Receiver and FM Transmitter. A FM Transmitter is important for those who own a car. The FM Transmitter can be used to transmit Music at a certain frequency which can be tuned to in the car using the Cars FM Radio!
The HD2 already has a FM Receiver. It might also support FM Transmission capabilities but that depends on which chip its using.
Video Out is certainly a welcome addon. Showing off Photos on a LCD is way better than telling them to login to Facebook! I for one will surely miss the TV Out.
Inspite of that, I consider these two features to be of very less importance when compared to the other feature set. This is the THE KILLER phone everyone was waiting for!
Prefer Touch HD over HD2
I agree with Grizzly on almost every point he's been making so far. Before I catch the flames too I shall start with a story...
My HP iPAQ was stolen from a payphone booth within one minute where I forgot it at an airport a year ago. This was my first real PDA and I was extraordinarily disappointed. I had racked up a lot of apps on it and and had even made the home screen sexy and easy to use with a few mods. Going from interfacing my custom cycles with the PCR machine (lab work) to playing old favourites like SimCity 2000 in lectures was great!
The next thing I obviously wanted was a PDA PHONE, so I didn't have to use a payphone booth again... so I got the Touch HD when it just came out in Oz from Telstra (who still sell it for $1500 - 215% markup). And it was absolutely perfect. Did everything, well supported by the community, and using it as a phone and an organizer that synced with outlook it worked a charm. Then last month getting a taxi back from the pub, I was left at a busway because the taxi driver who was fresh from India could not find my home as it wasn't on the GPS. Calling another taxi I got mugged for it while I was using it, snatched it from my hand. So now I was faced with having to get a new phone.
I have bought a Touch HD again. You see, the HD2 as fantastic as it is, is half way between being a traditional WM phone and an Android phone. Without the use of a stylus, how can you hand write down meeting notes? How can I use all my legacy games and applications? What's the point of having something a little zippier when the new manilla (which is a bit too busy) is going to be hacked onto the Touch HD anyway and it doesn't have the Tegra for true gaming pwnage or audiophile quality audio or a true camera replacement camera? Also the lack of 3G camera ticks me off too. I can't video call my parents in NZ which although is horrendously expensive, I enjoy doing on birthdays and so on - on special occasions we're often away from our computers.
What I am going to do is stick with my tried and tested HD and see if the HD2 has any advantage over the Dragon before I upgrade. Or even other non-HTC devices (god forbid) should they provide Audio/Graphics advantages. Because really the point of this thing is to replace the need to carry around other devices. Otherwise just get something that is only a phone, right?
I just found this vid, shows the games on it and well there is only 1 teeter! How could they cut solitaire and bubble breaker! What am i gonna waste time with now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntZQ0iXzyvc&feature=player_embedded
Its @ about 2:45
THE GRIZZ said:
our nitpicking will make it very easy for HTC to make the HD3 a better device.
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Very much so. HTC an enormous international company dedicated to producing a whole range of phones and mobile devices needs listen to random forum posters who can't even get their facts straight.
I'd like to take the opportunity to thank you for helping make the HD3 into the perfect device, derailing HTC's initial plans of improving the phone by removing the screen entirely and replacing it with a bar of soap. Your factual inaccuracies are making the mobile world a better place.
Since there is no dedicated off/on hardware ringer switch, is there a way to silence the phone while it is locked?
the volume rocker is normally used for something like that
mr_Ray said:
Very much so. HTC an enormous international company dedicated to producing a whole range of phones and mobile devices needs listen to random forum posters who can't even get their facts straight.
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Please spare us your fan-boyish drivel. What I mentioned in the OP are all valid concerns
Hey guys recently I have to do some development on G-sensor/ accelerometer, and I plan to do it on Windows Mobile. Since I have no experience on G-sensor development so there are few questions to ask.
I did the searching in the forum but didn't get what I want. Any suggestion is welcomed!!
Here are my questions:
1. Which phone should I buy ?
[MySpecs]
A phone that is suitable for performing g-sensor/accelerometer(3 Axis) development on.
2. About SDK
I've downloaded Samsung SDK and htcsensorsdk (link:blog.enterprisemobile.com/2008/07/using-htc-diamonds-sensor-sdk-from-managed-code/), and a sample sensortest from Scott's blog (link:scottandmichelle.net/scott/index.html).
For HTC
1) htcsensorsdk/sensortest, where can I get the latest version?
2) which phones do they support? (Touch HD/HD2, Touch Diamond/Diamond2, Touch Pro/Pro2)
3) Is there other or better SDKs?
4) what is the maximum sampling rate I can get? Or which chip is used in the phone so I can google it to get more details about the g-sensor.
For Samsung
1) Since Samsung officially offer SDKs to do development, why still lots of people (I think) do development on HTC phones? Are there some tech reasons that I didn't know?
Thanks lot!!!
The HTC sensor SDK should work on all HTC devices after the Diamond that have an accelerometer. You can get sampling at around 40ms on the Diamond, above that things start to go less well.
With the HTC sensors, there's a wobble of +- about 20 (1G is around about 1000 with the SDK), when the device is stationary.
I think the Samsung SDK is generally less popular as Samsung devices aren't as popular as HTCs (don't ask why). The Samsung SDK is a lot better, it's official and doesn't rely on hacks, but I'm not sure what data you can get out of it.
l3v5y said:
The HTC sensor SDK should work on all HTC devices after the Diamond that have an accelerometer. You can get sampling at around 40ms on the Diamond, above that things start to go less well.
With the HTC sensors, there's a wobble of +- about 20 (1G is around about 1000 with the SDK), when the device is stationary.
I think the Samsung SDK is generally less popular as Samsung devices aren't as popular as HTCs (don't ask why). The Samsung SDK is a lot better, it's official and doesn't rely on hacks, but I'm not sure what data you can get out of it.
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Thanks for the suggestion, I've brought Leo. Again Thank you very much!!
Windows Mobile Unified Sensor API
Windows Mobile Unified Sensor API
The Windows Mobile Unified Sensor API allows developers to easily access the hardware sensors that are available on various phones.
Sensors:
Light Sensor
Capacitive Touch Pad
Accelerometer
Devices:
HTC Touch *
Samsung Omnia/Instinct
There are now samples that demonstrate the usage of each sensor!
Senax said:
Windows Mobile Unified Sensor API
The Windows Mobile Unified Sensor API allows developers to easily access the hardware sensors that are available on various phones.
Sensors:
Light Sensor
Capacitive Touch Pad
Accelerometer
Devices:
HTC Touch *
Samsung Omnia/Instinct
There are now samples that demonstrate the usage of each sensor!
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It would sure be appreciative if the LG Fathom WM phone was included too.
WaltA said:
It would sure be appreciative if the LG Fathom WM phone was included too.
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I agree. No games with the g-sensor work on the fathom.
Hi all. Received my Elocity A7 today, thanks to Dexter put the 1.1c rom for Market place and started poking around.
SSH into the device and noticed that it identifies the following chipset for an input device:
<6>[ 6.728802] NAZ10 touch: CY8CTMG120 Ver 1.8
<6>[ 6.733171] input: Cypress CY8CTMG120 1.8 as /devices/virtual/input/input2
Review of the Data sheet for this controller identifies it as a multi touch gesture touchscreen.
Google CY8CTMG120.html to review the first datasheet by Cypress Semiconductor.
Single-Touch : Y
Multi-Touch Gesture : Y
Multi-Touch All-Point : N
Did we ever get confirmation as to what was the limitation for not receiving multi touch?
jingo5 said:
Hi all. Received my Elocity A7 today, thanks to Dexter put the 1.1c rom for Market place and started poking around.
SSH into the device and noticed that it identifies the following chipset for an input device:
<6>[ 6.728802] NAZ10 touch: CY8CTMG120 Ver 1.8
<6>[ 6.733171] input: Cypress CY8CTMG120 1.8 as /devices/virtual/input/input2
Review of the Data sheet for this controller identifies it as a multi touch gesture touchscreen.
Google CY8CTMG120.html to review the first datasheet by Cypress Semiconductor.
Single-Touch : Y
Multi-Touch Gesture : Y
Multi-Touch All-Point : N
Did we ever get confirmation as to what was the limitation for not receiving multi touch?
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I would love to see something made of this.
Don't let this thread die!!
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I would love to see something made of this.
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I second that!! If this screen has basic multi-touch functionality lets find out and exploit it!! Seems that is one of the major problems with this device and if it were simply a software limitation then we are not out of the ballgame yet. When I do a google search of the above listed screen it says it is multi-touch for sure. it says 1-1 multi-touch and gesture. It does not say anything less?? Very interesting. Maybe instead of Honeycomb being a problem it may turn out better as it may just use the screen as designed by default!
Saw a clip of Honeycomb and it looks really amazing!! We are all going to want it when it comes out!! So I figure I am going to enjoy my tab for what it is now and in a year I will upgrade. By then there should be a several good devices running Honeycomb to choose from.
I have to say I really enjoy my tab and it would be really great if I could put 2.3 or 3.0 on it.
Rob
Unfortunately I have stopped looking into this as I have returned my tablet. I find the android OS too fragmented for universal support between platforms and the OS environment not as friendly as I would like.
This is not a dig against the Elocity A7. I will say that it's a good tablet for ereading/web surfing and has the hardware to back it up. Even with multitouch enabled I can not say I would be satisfied with my user experience.
Sorry all. WebOS fanboy at heart.
Sorry to hear you returned your A7.
To answer your original question though, I do think this is a hardware limitation based on the controller used. The datasheet says it supports Single Touch and Multi-Touch Gesture, which means it will recognize only one touch, but also pinch-to-zoom, and some other gestures. It does not support Multi-Touch All-Point which is "true multitouch".
Some user over @ androidtablets.net found that the LCD in the eLocity A7 is identical to the LCD in the Archos 70, which is a multi-touch screen. I don't know how true this is but it seems very interesting and I wanted to point it out.
http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/elocity-tablets/12405-elocity-a7-display.html
Now, I always felt that the LCD screen itself in the A7 was "true" multi-touch CAPABLE but, with the current LCD driver it has been disabled. Also, I believe that this is one of the reasons that Stream TV is reluctant to release the kernel source because then it would only be a matter of time before somebody hacks into it and we get "true" multi-touch working (like it should have been in the first place.) And that might hurt sales for the 2nd generation A7 because the only real difference is the screen resolution especially if the 1st generation A7 gets "true" multi-touch.
But, I could be wrong in my assertion and maybe its just wishful thinking because to be honest, all the A7 is lacking IMO is "true" multi-touch.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE will everyone Marbieskarb read the information that has already been posted and reposted on this subject.
THE LIMITATION IS THE CONTROLLER ITSELF. It does not support multi touch, it only supports a dumbed down gesture system.
This is NOT a screen limitation.
This is NOT a driver limitation.
There is NO workaround.
It is NOT somehow disabled.
Actual multi touch is what Cypress refers to as "Multi-touch all-point" in their data sheet. It is not going to happen. Ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32FMNz6tX1s
2K 5.7 inch OLED Screen ( 564pp a ) ClearBlack technology as the true black with black and Corning Gorilla Glass with a solid maintaining a building with 4 visits . Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8994 810 v2.1 version of the code that uses the named Lumia 950 as xl't performance , to ensure a trouble-free experience on Windows 10 . Adreno 430 graphics processing unit 3GB of RAM and a 32GB microSD supported phone support ( 2TB ) We have storage capacity . As you know Snapdragon ALSO solve the problem by adding warm liquid cooling system in 810 companies , technology has led to a policy that we see in the PC for bringing to mobile devices !
5.7" WQHD (2560 x 1440) 518PPI
Battery6
Replaceable battery
3340mAh
3.8V
Built-in wireless charging, fast charging
Wireless charging standard: Qi
20MP auto focus with two-stage capture key
Digital zoom: 2x
6-lens optics
Optical image stabilization
Sensor size: 1/2.4"
F-number/aperture: f/1.9
Focal length: 26mm
Flash type: Natural flash
Features: Backside-illuminated image sensor, High-resolution zoom 2x, PureView, True 16:9 sensor, Fast Focus
Minimum focus range: 10cm
Wow microsoft really is emptying qualcomm unsold old socs every year.
they seems perfect devices to me...
maybe i will give a try for first time to windows mobile os
My big question is, are both of these really going to be AT&T exclusives? If so, can a purchased unlocked phone be used on Big Red?
They seem great devices. The L950 would be perfect and I was dead set on buying it when it comes out to upgrade the L830. Until I saw they dropped the hardware capacitive buttons for on-screen keys. Makes me reconsider the upgrade, I really don't want that buttons bar on my screen.
muslumcu46 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32FMNz6tX1s
2K 5.7 inch OLED Screen ( 564pp a ) ClearBlack technology as the true black with black and Corning Gorilla Glass with a solid maintaining a building with 4 visits . Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8994 810 v2.1 version of the code that uses the named Lumia 950 as xl't performance , to ensure a trouble-free experience on Windows 10 . Adreno 430 graphics processing unit 3GB of RAM and a 32GB microSD supported phone support ( 2TB ) We have storage capacity . As you know Snapdragon ALSO solve the problem by adding warm liquid cooling system in 810 companies , technology has led to a policy that we see in the PC for bringing to mobile devices !
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this phone has a ppi of 518 not 564. also qualcomm did nothing to add liquid cooling, this was all microsoft. if qualcomm did this then more phones would have this tech but only microsoft has it. microsoft is bringing this tech to their phones from their tablets.
DLS123 said:
They seem great devices. The L950 would be perfect and I was dead set on buying it when it comes out to upgrade the L830. Until I saw they dropped the hardware capacitive buttons for on-screen keys. Makes me reconsider the upgrade, I really don't want that buttons bar on my screen.
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You can hide the on-screen bar, and swipe up from the bottom of the screen to bring it back in case you need it.
LOL @ watercooling on a phone.......
I hope I'm not speaking out of school here, but the Lumia 950 is exactly the hardware that I was hoping the Nexus N5X would be. But I'm so deeply entrenched in the Android ecosystem that I think I'd be lost with Windows on my phone. Is there any likelihood of future development work here at XDA or elsewhere to bring Android to this hardware?
Androip Apps?
Hello,
I would like to ask if you think side-loading (?) android apps on the 950/950 XL would be possible ? Or MS would take notice patch the holes. I am asking because I was quite excited when I read somewhere that the sharp people on xda developers managed to do something like that. I am in a mood to buy a new phone and that 950XL really intrigued me. If adding some android apps to fill the app gap that the windows phone have that would be really great!!
Ps. I don't mind the tinkering on the phone
Although there is a youtube link, this isn't really a review per se, I have changed the title to a discussion.
I was surprised that Microsoft didn't mention anything about Android app support. As you mentioned, it is possible today with the latest Windows 10 Preview builds. I am running my favorite Android app on my Windows Phones. NOTE: This isn't an XDA hack, just a leak from Microsoft. Microsoft build the Android environment into the device. I think they are saving some announcements for the release of Windows 10 Mobile.
It is a big step forward.
I thought i heard somewhere that they were making android apps available on this phone as well.
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Rsmin said:
I thought i heard somewhere that they were making android apps available on this phone as well.
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This is about the only thing keeping me from ditching my Note 3 (and Android entirely) and making the switch. I looked on the MS App store a couple days ago to see of the apps I use which are available, I don't use all that many apps regularly so some that I currently use are not a big deal. But, of the apps I regularly use there is an Instagram Beta app (from what I can tell it's been in beta for who knows how long), Whatsapp and a YouTube app (although I would prefer a YouTube app from YouTube/Google not a 3rd party app).
There is no Kik, Plex, Slacker, Tablet Talk etc. are not on there. Heck, the Windows app store does not even have the latest version of Lync (it has Lync 2010, but not Lync 2013) which is an MS product!!
I have a couple months to decide what I want to do, but at the moment am going to find it hard justifying a switch to Windows Phone unless some kind of android app support, or a larger number of apps are ported over to Windows phone.
1stpKlosr said:
You can hide the on-screen bar, and swipe up from the bottom of the screen to bring it back in case you need it.
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I know how it works, I already enabled it for testing on my current 830. That's how I know for sure I won't like it.
There is Kik and Plex mate...
The best phone(s) of 2015, no doubt. Most of Google's stuff are available in browser, and Google Now doesn't support my language, so as long as I can get Nova launcher or similar tile replacement app (I tried them, not my cup of tea), I'm jumping ship.
Lync 2013 is now called skype for business in the windows store for Windows 10, windows 10 for mobile, and Windows phone 8.x
Gizamkd said:
There is Kik and Plex mate...
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Thank you, I wonder why I could not find either the other day when searching the store. Oh well, found both of them today so that's at least 2 more apps that will be available. Going to be a hard time deciding between the 950XL and a Nexus 6P on Project Fi. I may miss my stylus though from the Note 3, but can easily live without it and am wondering if there will eventually be (or is there already?) surface pen support on the 950XL