Hi all
i used a lot of ICS roms here but it seemed to be bad in gameing and not fast as the GB ..
Is this the problem of ICS ????
when I use GB i play a heavy games with no problem , but in ICS it is laggy and i need to overclock the cpu to play .. even though still laggy ..
also in the performance , i see the GB is much better and smooth than ICS ..
I am now back to GB but I missed the ICS ..
It will be better if there is a hyberd rom that is contain GB and ICS togather ..
so in your opinion : what is the problem ??
is it from ICS ?? or the arc is weak to get good ICS ???
Neither the arc, nor the arc s is too weak.
Let's take my HTC Wildfire S as instance:
600 MHz SC CPU
512 MB RAM (400 useable, btw this is more than on arc (s))
CM9 runs perfectly smoothly. Also the new xperia lineup has 800 MHz phones which have the new timescape gui and ICS.
I think the problem are insufficient drivers or just a *****y programming with memleaks.
The amount of free RAM is also a reason.
everyone has their own definition of what is smooth. as for me, i define it as:
1. Fling of homescreens and applications on stock launcher is solid iPhone-like even with widgets on a non-live wallpaper. The smoothness that would not let you think of Jelly Bean at all.
2. Basic applications critical for phone use like Contacts, Messaging, Browser should also be as smooth as number 1 above.
3. Temple Run Brave while in the gameplay, no lost frames and instant response on swipes. Reason is not for gaming, but means the phone will behave smoothly on heavy processing.
Since everyone has different opinion on smoothness, nobody can tell that their phone is smoothest.
What I can say though is that on any ICS ROM I have tried, nothing meets my 3 criteria above. Hence I stick with Gingerbread.
I am critical and allergic to laggy interface / phone. Destroys the experience, makes you insecure of other phones.
I installed "Jellybread" by omenHTX today and it's great Gingerbread Stuff! You should give it a shot
After so many bad experiences with ICS I am really glad someone focused on GB again
Greetings!
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theq86 said:
Neither the arc, nor the arc s is too weak.
Let's take my HTC Wildfire S as instance:
600 MHz SC CPU
512 MB RAM (400 useable, btw this is more than on arc (s))
CM9 runs perfectly smoothly. Also the new xperia lineup has 800 MHz phones which have the new timescape gui and ICS.
I think the problem are insufficient drivers or just a *****y programming with memleaks.
The amount of free RAM is also a reason.
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I was thinking about it and I think the problem is from Sony itself
maybe they give us a garbage update to feel that our phone is outdated to Chang it ..
UI Smoothness is more than acceptable on Arconium ICS but the phone is simply just too slow in the performance department, so it lags a lot - on both ICS and GB. Stock GB was just a small tad faster than Arconium ICS and significantly faster than stock ICS.
The biggest difference was the animation smoothness though, because the phone lacks performance under GB too - the processor runs at 100% for a few seconds until it launches some heavier apps, and with ICS even basic apps like youtube became heavy.
jtdc said:
everyone has their own definition of what is smooth. as for me, i define it as:
1. Fling of homescreens and applications on stock launcher is solid iPhone-like even with widgets on a non-live wallpaper. The smoothness that would not let you think of Jelly Bean at all.
2. Basic applications critical for phone use like Contacts, Messaging, Browser should also be as smooth as number 1 above.
3. Temple Run Brave while in the gameplay, no lost frames and instant response on swipes. Reason is not for gaming, but means the phone will behave smoothly on heavy processing.
Since everyone has different opinion on smoothness, nobody can tell that their phone is smoothest.
What I can say though is that on any ICS ROM I have tried, nothing meets my 3 criteria above. Hence I stick with Gingerbread.
I am critical and allergic to laggy interface / phone. Destroys the experience, makes you insecure of other phones.
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so i think the problem is from ics
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Is anyone else experiencing this? On web pages or long lists, scrolling around is not nearly as smooth as it should be. My brother has a Hero, and the Evo is not as bad as that... but it is nowhere near as smooth as an iPhone is. If I scroll around quickly, it gets pretty jumpy, where the frame rate slows down a lot. I read another thread (maybe on a different forum) where people claim that it's just the difference between the speed of scrolling and/or the "coasting" feature of the phones, but this is not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to mainly the frame rate of scrolling around and also the lag between when my finger moves and when the action takes place. It is most apparent on bigger web pages and long lists (like the Manage Application list). But it also does not happen all the time.
I have Advanced Task Killer running too, set at "Crazy" and the kill frequency set to "When screen off". Is there anything else I can do to make scrolling smoother?
I'm sick of having my friends who have iPhones playing with it, and immediately commenting on how it's not nearly as responsive.
Any ideas?
I played with an EVO in the Sprint store yesterday and noticed the same thing. While overall I found it to be really fast, in some areas (like switching between home screens) it was noticeably choppy compared to my Hero. Though I should note that my Hero is rooted and running Fresh 2.1.1.
One suggestion I might make is to not use overly aggressive settings with a task killer. This has been known to cause some odd behavior with Android including choppiness.
Working amazingly for me. As close to the smoothness of an iPhone as I've ever seen.
Have you tried a full restore? Keep checking after each app installation to figure out what (if anything) is causing the problem.
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Do you have Live Wallpaper running?
I do not. In fact while "conditioning" my battery, brightness down minimum, WiFi/GPS/4G/Bluetooth all off as well.
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How much free memory do you have?
I noticed the choppiness too but it wasn't too bad, just unfitting of a phone with such high specs.
It's because of the Live Wallpapers, some are more processor intensive than others so some it's more noticeable on than others. Put a regular Wallpaper up and everythings nice and smooth.
I don't use Live Wallpapers anymore, they were cool for awhile but after a couple months of them on my Nexus the novelty has worn off.
I notice it also even with a regular wallpaper..i mean its pretty smooth but it does lag a bit.
I notice laggy scrolling within the HTC-built applications. For example, when looking through contact information or social updates. The scrolling is really bad, and I think that just might be because of the huge amount of information the HTC apps are processing. I'm sure all the social information being pulled from every end of the Internet isn't the easiest thing for the device to do, even if it is the Evo.
Aside from that, everything else is as smooth as butter.
Still stock on mine and I haven't noticed any lag, though I use Dolphin HD and Skyfire.
I don't have Live Wallpaper running, and about 200MB of free memory.
And I don't think it's with the HTC-built applications only. I notice it in most applications. Just put an iPhone right beside it and scroll around on both... huge difference.
I just changed the settings on Advanced Task Killer to Aggressive (down from Crazy) and Every half hour (down from When screen off). Maybe this will help... we'll see. Maybe Advanced Task Killer is not the best app for this? Are there any better ones? Why didn't Google have this built in if it really helped so much with speed+battery life?
Maybe FroYo will fix this issue? Does anyone know when this will be available?
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Maybe FroYo will fix this issue? Does anyone know when this will be available?
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I have noticed this too at times. Froyo made my Nexus One a hell of a lot faster, it will do the same for the Evo
Still on Stock rom and no root, scrolling, pinch zoom are all smooth and fast.
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Still on Stock rom and no root, scrolling, pinch zoom are all smooth and fast.
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Have you compared it to an iPhone though?
shawnee4885 said:
Have you compared it to an iPhone though?
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I've seen this too and mentioned it to other Android people... and was promptly called a cry baby. I am coming from a 3gs...and just thought it was silly the 1ghz chip in this phone cant compare to the 600mhz chip in the iphone.
Grims said:
I've seen this too and mentioned it to other Android people... and was promptly called a cry baby. I am coming from a 3gs...and just thought it was silly the 1ghz chip in this phone cant compare to the 600mhz chip in the iphone.
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It's all about the quality of the programming, i'm not calling htc programers bad but it seems like some of their stuff is just slow.
Grims said:
I've seen this too and mentioned it to other Android people... and was promptly called a cry baby. I am coming from a 3gs...and just thought it was silly the 1ghz chip in this phone cant compare to the 600mhz chip in the iphone.
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First u have to realize that the iphone was built with its gpu base OS. So all the scrolling and animation are base on gpu WITH THE HELP OF CPU. Android will be more dificult since of all its different hardware. Iphone OS is just base on iphone hardware but If iphone was running without gpu support, it would move like crap.
One example of this is zuneHD. it is base on a hardware base on tegra with gpu support and is smoother than iphone since tegra is a more capable gpu chip.
This discussion has been on and off with palmpre guys and waiting for an update to enable gpu support in the OS. Gpu support is supported in game but not in the OS for scrolling etc. Just like android.
This is the reason the iphone can run smooth at low mhz. The iphone 2g even at its low mhz still is smoother in scrolling and transiction than android because of it gpu intigrationbut ofcourse not faster. Hope this help.
Another example is compiz for linux. It create a semi gpu OS of linux and u can see how compiz on linux look light yeat better and smoother than wimdows 7 with a much lower hardware spec.
eduardmc said:
First u have to realize that the iphone was built with its gpu base OS. So all the scrolling and animation are base on gpu WITH THE HELP OF CPU. Android will be more dificult since of all its different hardware. Iphone OS is just base on iphone hardware but If iphone was running without gpu support, it would move like crap.
One example of this is zuneHD. it is base on a hardware base on tegra with gpu support and is smoother than iphone since tegra is a more capable gpu chip.
This discussion has been on and off with palmpre guys and waiting for an update to enable gpu support in the OS. Gpu support is supported in game but not in the OS for scrolling etc. Just like android.
This is the reason the iphone can run smooth at low mhz. The iphone 2g even at its low mhz still is smoother in scrolling and transiction than android because of it gpu intigrationbut ofcourse not faster. Hope this help.
Another example is compiz for linux. It create a semi gpu OS of linux and u can see how compiz on linux look light yeat better and smoother than wimdows 7 with a much lower hardware spec.
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Thanks that explains a lot, i wasn't aware Android doesn't use GPU support in this area.
I just wanted to throw this in. I know everyone is comparing things like the scrolling framerate to the iPhone's. But there is one slight issue that a lot of developers can tell you off the bat.
JAVA
iPhone is not based on java and android UI is. This is sort of why JIT is slated to make such a big difference. Java is just laggy, especially when it comes to UI. For instance: open office, eclipse, and just about any other java based app I see on linux. GTK apps are fine in ubuntu, but when I open eclipse I just know there is a delay between when I click the "file" menu and when it actually opens.
I noticed it on my hero, and no amount of free ram or killing apps would completely get rid of it. Now I have to say going from the hero to the evo I honestly do not notice any lag. But the UI on the hero just has a solid delay EVERYWHERE you go. But I noticed it was not there as soon as I got into a game written in the dalvik way. It will come, and we will eventually be there. But I don't blame it on hardware. Core2quad in eclipse and the UI lags? Blame it on Java.
Now I know some folks will say "nu uhh. such and such java android app doesn't do that!" But almost all apps for android and sense do this if they are written in java. Some more than others.
One final thing, there are several articles about why you shouldn't use task killers. It became perfectly clear it was a bad idea on some of toast's later kernel. and yes, the memory management can be improved for root users. but for non root users, I know it is counter-intuitive but task killers have major drawbacks. Just do some searching and decide for yourself, but I noticed a huge difference on my hero when I stopped using a task killer and allowed the default memory management to take over. And honestly, on my EVO I don't EVER notice a slow down.
2.1 got 7 mflops,2.2 roms got 5 mflops and 2.3 roms 8 mflops but looks slow because 2d is not compiled from source.
Then what rom is fastest?
Well, 2.1 gets 7MFLOPS in linpack, but no more than 400-500 points in quadrant advanced, while 2.2 gets those 5-5.5 points in linpack but 1200 and above in quadrant advanced, if OCed. Now, what's the conclusion? Don't look at benchmarks, look at user experience.
Truth is, eclair and froyo are performing quite similarly. Some games lag in both, some in only on distribution. As far as homescreen and menus go, I feel that my GO launcher EX runs more smoothly on froyo than on eclair, while froyo is even more loaded with apps then my phone was back in its 2.1 days. And bear in mind that it's a "heavy" launcher with lots of additional features, like app killer.
So, the conclusion is, that froyo may in fact be a bit faster, but not much, and it may be due to better memory management of a newer android version. What is important, we get native app2sd, CM settings and other cool stuff if we use a custom ROM.
As far as 2.3 distributions are concerned, I cannot comment, as I never had one for more than one day, they were either laggy, or had no camera, or had other bugs. I'll wait 'till a functional one comes out, then I'll test it extensively
hey guyz.i,ve been using Arconium ICS and i noticed Phone app and setting open terribly slow.so here is what i did to get them smoother.
just go to setting ,developer options and choose at most 2 processes from background procces limit bar.don,t choose don,t keep activities cause it will kill launcher every time.try and see for your selves.hope this helps
anybody else tried this?
use my touchscreen, responsiveness and battery tweaks from the android development subforum for xperia arc. i have been read the last post about the governor and the rampling too. i've been ggetting over 18 hours on an average already. (those tweaks were for the ics beta, i bet i can tweak it more).
I am having problems with some games like Backstab and real racing 2..they crash when they load..I think it's a matter of a driver issue and not related to RAM availability..
omarfaieq007 said:
I am having problems with some games like Backstab and real racing 2..they crash when they load..I think it's a matter of a driver issue and not related to RAM availability..
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games use a lot of ram. getting out of ram can cause FCs. (try reducing your vm heap to 20 and see what it does to the other apps )
Thanks for sharing bro, it just help to improve responsiveness a little bit. It's really annoying that when u tap the dialer and few seconds later it appear...lol
are u kerenl is doom v4?
orgain kerenl is slow
Guys, just supercharge your phone. Details here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1533044
It's working great for me on stock ICS and just wanted to share.
After you supercharge the dialer & sms apps only lag the "first" time you open them after a reboot. After that they open pretty much instantaneously (unless you run a massive app which uses all the phones memory) in which case it will lag the first time after closing the massive app.
You can bullet proof apps of your choice including dialer, sms, launcher etc.
For me the overall smoothness of ICS is noticable.
sss22213 said:
are u kerenl is doom v4?
orgain kerenl is slow
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yes.i OC to 1.4ghz
adielee said:
Guys, just supercharge your phone. Details here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1533044
It's working great for me on stock ICS and just wanted to share.
After you supercharge the dialer & sms apps only lag the "first" time you open them after a reboot. After that they open pretty much instantaneously (unless you run a massive app which uses all the phones memory) in which case it will lag the first time after closing the massive app.
You can bullet proof apps of your choice including dialer, sms, launcher etc.
For me the overall smoothness of ICS is noticable.
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This is definitely the way to go! Don't go crazy and bulletproof everything or else you'll end up with the same problem but definitely do the basics and you'll notice a difference for sure, without having to drop down to 2 background processes.
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games use a lot of ram. getting out of ram can cause FCs. (try reducing your vm heap to 20 and see what it does to the other apps )
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can u help me a little further??I don't know how to achieve that..thanks in advance friend
I've noticed a lot of talk about Jelly Bean and ICS being slow on the Nexus S. So, has anyone reverted back to Gingerbread? It's been so long, I don't even remember what GB is like.
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Ulver said:
I've noticed a lot of talk about Jelly Bean and ICS being slow on the Nexus S. So, has anyone reverted back to Gingerbread? It's been so long, I don't even remember what GB is like.
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Yep, I use Bugeless GPA19, stock kernel is OK, but if you want 30mb more of free RAM use Glados 1.12.
Nope. If you keep your running apps under control I believe Jellybean is just right on the Nexus S. =)
Ulver said:
I've noticed a lot of talk about Jelly Bean and ICS being slow on the Nexus S. So, has anyone reverted back to Gingerbread? It's been so long, I don't even remember what GB is like.
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2 days ago i tried GB again, its not that much faster...
The only thing faster in gingerbread was installing apps and opening up search.
Jelly bean has vsync so you dont get screen tearing which was everywhere in GB, apps open up quicker in JB, the camera is much faster, the browser is much smoother and last but not least the stock launcher never crawls to a halt like it sometimes used to in GB and had to be restarted. I am not talking about launcher redrawing but in GB sometimes it would just start stuttering from one home screen to another and had to be restarted.
And I may not remember correctly this one but kinetic scrolling seems faster and smoother in JB than I had ever experienced before in ICS and GB.
The one area of disappointment for people comes from gaming. Well an OS with so many more features is obviously going to take more ram and games are going to get more and more demanding so it is not unreasonable that a new OS makes the phone a less capable gaming device.
Yeesh! I used to have GB. I cannot go back there after running JB. Just CANNOT!
It's like using iOS or BADA.
My NS runs JB smoothly. No flicker no lag. Using Jellybro Rom.
How can you say no, look at the quadrant results
GB (no oc) - 2500
JB (no oc) - 1250
RAM left (same number of running apps)
GB -160-180M
JB - 90-110M
I would never let a quadrant change my view of an os! Im using black bean with matr1x and dont have anything to complain! Gb is ugly and i believe it wasnt faster! As a matter of fact, my phone doesnt feel slow at all...
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How can you say no, look at the quadrant results
GB (no oc) - 2500
JB (no oc) - 1250
RAM left (same number of running apps)
GB -160-180M
JB - 90-110M
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Quadrant is the worst benchmark to go by... A monkey high on PCP can alter i/o scores. And GB not using available RAM is actually a bad thing and will slow things down.
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How can you say no, look at the quadrant results
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Please people, forget about listing synthetic benchmark results as a ultimate measure of the phone. Nobody cares if GB scores twice as much points in Yet Another Very Accurate Benchmark, when JB feels faster and more responsible in everyday usage.
I haven't even thought of downgrading. Why switch to an old out of date unsupported OS When you have access to the most current.
I think the prob might be in your choice of ROMS/kernels try AOKP or Slim with AIR BigMem and freeze or remove the system apps you don't use. Has been working great here. No complaints.
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I could not go back to Gingerbread after JB, it would be like riding a stallion and then going back to a donkey. The JB interface is so much better than GB and using BlackBean 6 I have no lag at all and it's so smooth!
I agree jelly bean is slightly faster then gb as im users who use over 160+ apps and notice in each faster from 360 mb to 380 ram of 512 use. I have 140 mb left on jelly bean compare to 80 on ginger.
Another thing is when u have no apps download your phone have JB 240 mb free of 360-380 of ram the os show.
GB It was about 210 mb ram left free and 150-70 mb used up for apps preinstalled. 230 mb for os overall.
Like my bionic have 840 mb of ram of it 1,024 mb of ram
Single core
guyz jb and ics are optimised for multi cores.
GB is the best for single cores.
are you sure?
back to Gingerbread?
if you looking for stability and speed, JellyBean it is..
I know.. ICS is a bit sucks..especially 4.0.3
but JellyBean? it's awesome...really awesome...
forget about benchmark scores..it's just pain in a butt, LOL
as long as you run your apps smooth.. what's the benchmark score for?
unless you're the benchmark geek
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guyz jb and ics are optimised for multi cores.
GB is the best for single cores.
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Best in what aspect?
I'm on JB now and sometimes considering going back to ICS, but I have zero desire to go back to anything else. ICS is the first version of Android that I feel I can use stock, with regards to performance, UI design and functionality. JB is a smoother ICS, with the caveat of faster battery drain.
Jb just need ram. 512 mo is the minimum i think.
envoyé de puis mon Nexus s, aiiiiight ! (Michel rules the world)
I tried going back to ICS once, and couldn't do it. I certainly couldn't go back to GB. Too many nice features have been added that I just wouldn't be able to live without ...
I have some Pros of GingerB
*GB battery life is much better than JB. Specially in standby.
*Animations are faster (feels much faster)
*Scrolling is faster
*More available memory at boot.
However JellyB Software is awesome, I love it on my GN and N7. However for the Nexus S I use GB, it isn't fancy but gets all the job done and excellent battery life.
Hello there, community!
This is my first post on xda forums and I will try to make it quick.
I'm looking for a fast ROM that will run smoothly sacrificing more unneeded features and options. I found stock 4.0.3 rom stuttering and lagging from time to time, even in Contacts section.
With no work in the background, my LG has around 80-100 RAM left, which I'd like to increase. I also plan on running some more advanced 3d games, so a little overclock would also be nice - I know this CPU is already oc'd from 800 to 1000 mhz but maybe it's worth trying to push it a bit more and take the weight off by disabling CPU rendering in favor of the GPU (I mean this great performance boost everyone is talking about when you force GPU rendering). If it works the way I think and with the GPU taking care of all the rendering, maybe processor won't heat so much and could be overclocked above 1 Ghz. What do you guys think?
In short, I'm looking for a fast ROM with a gaming and overclocking potential. Thanks in advance for the replies!
I use Slimbean 4.1.2 and it's really smooth and fast!
It's also perfect for my gaming needs but I don't really know what games you're after though!
Give it a try, you will certainly like it!
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Well, I'm looking for overall better performance. For example on this stock rom, in the game Galaxy on Fire sound and interface lags etc. I found it odd that some simple games like Jetpack Joyride often stutter during gameplay, but Rayman Jungle Run with much better sound and graphics runs smoothly.
I'll check the rom you mentioned. Any more sugestions?
You should give a try to PAC ROM 4.3.Even it has some bugs,I found it smoother than I thought.After it will become stable,it will be one of the best or even the best ROM as performances.