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Nexus One has a much more powerful processor than Nexus S !

A comparison Nexus One with Galaxy S, both of them running Android 2.2 Froyo:
Hummingbird vs Snapdragon: Rumble in the processor jungle
Linpack test
Galaxy S (Hummingbird): 14
Nexus One (Snapdragon): 30
Benchmark by Softweg CPU test
Galaxy S (Hummingbird): 1,700
Nexus One (Snapdragon): 2,200
Benchmark by Softweg 2D graphics test
Galaxy S (Hummingbird): 31
Nexus One (Snapdragon): 28
Neocore 3D graphics test
Galaxy S (Hummingbird): 55.7
Nexus One (Snapdragon): 28.4
So basically if you don't play 3D games, the Nexus One is faster. And the Snapdragon is much faster than Hummingbird...

Nexus S with FroYo? oO
Nexus One with stock 2.2 or custom ROM(CM\etc)?

Those are benchmarks between a Galaxy S with a customized Android vs a Nexus One with vanilla Android, not a Nexus S.
If you want a comparison between N1 and NS, here you go:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4059/nexus-s-and-android-23-review-gingerbread-for-the-holidays/8
You'll see that some things ran better on the N1, but in general the Hummingbird is noticeably faster than the early gen Snapdragon used in the N1.

The 3D performance difference is massive as well. It's hard to ignore that.

i think what that anandtech article shows more than anything is how the tmobile mytouch4g's hardware's potential is being wasted on terrible software

Ya, the title of the post is a little misleading....

I said ages ago when I swapped from my extremely buggy SGS to the N1 that in the real world, the N1 was actually the faster phone in day to day use (3D games excepted).

I for one don't play that many games, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't use psx emulator if I had a pimped gpu. Nexus one is not slow by any means...
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I had a Vibrant and of course now own a Nexus One. The Vibrant definitely has the faster processor despite what you guys may think. The Nexus One software is very smooth so that's why it is faster. If the Vibrant/Galaxy S software was a pure google/vanilla based rom then you'd see. When playing games on Nexus vs Vibrant you'd notice that the Nexus has less fps while the Vibrant/Galaxy S appears to not lose any fps. That doesn't mean that the Nexus One isn't a good phone. It just depends on what you want in a phone. Both have its share of pros and cons.
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Depends on your needs...For me, the N1 continues to rock against all others!

OuncE718 said:
{............}When playing games on Nexus vs Vibrant you'd notice that the Nexus has less fps while the Vibrant/Galaxy S appears to not lose any fps. {.......}
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that has to do with gpu...not cpu

tameracingdriver said:
I said ages ago when I swapped from my extremely buggy SGS to the N1 that in the real world, the N1 was actually the faster phone in day to day use (3D games excepted).
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Maybe because SGS had buggy software? I own both N1 and NS and the NS feels faster. Things open faster an there isnt any lag or hitching except in the browser. NS speed is especially noticeable in maps

There's no doubt that the nexus one snapdragon performs better for certain types of computational tasks over the hummingbird CPU. Benchmarks show this. And It's been said that android has been better tweakdd to use snapdragon CPU to make things like menu scrolling and browser performance better on the nexus one.
But Samsung has a patch to fix this and use its much more powerful graphics chip, but that only released for galaxy s phones, not yet for the nexus s. It's only a matter of time before they give this patch to the nexus s and then it may crush the nexus one.
I've noticed my nexus one was actually smoother scrolling the settings menu over the nexus s, In a few other areas too.

Bench

Can you guys post some benchmarks. Thanks
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I got a poor 2200 from Quadrant
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I got 2042 on one run

I just benchmarked my 2011 Kindle Fire and it got a 2016 in quadrant. OMAP 4460 is supposed to be 20% faster clock than OMAP 4430(1.2ghz v 1ghz) so I would assume Kindle Fire HD gets 2400ish but that's only hypothetical.

6100 from Antutu benchmark. Really, pretty good for 1.2
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And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
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ncvikingx97 said:
And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
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Nexus has a quad core CPU. Im sure that bench is multi-threaded.

Okay. Regardless, an score like that is quite mediocre
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Nexus has a quad core CPU. Im sure that bench is multi-threaded.
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Also, those benchmarks don't compensate for the OS - a vanilla version of the OS (Nexus 7) will run faster than one that is less efficient (KFHD). Real world is what matters to me. I bought a KFHD after playing around with one at Best Buy. I don't know if the review units had flaws, but I have experienced no stuttering or slow down. It is much smoother than I expected.
Also, popping flash on there was a breeze, as is sideloading any apps (minus google apps, but including YouTube) that you want.
Overall, a pretty great product. For me it simply came down to if a vanilla Android experience offset the HDMI out (awesome), dual wifi antennas, stereo (and usable) speakers, better screen (that isn't even an opinion if you've seen the screen), double the storage, etc. of the KFHD.

I don't think the difference is that night and day, when comparing the features, although I am happy you are happy about it. The only reason I truly want one of these is because my nexus had been having a lit of issues.
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Anyone thinking that the CPU on the Kindle HD will perform anything remotely close to the Nexus is only fooling yourselves. The CPU on the HD by all means is considered a budget chip and anyone thinking otherwise is just being delusional. Sure the HD has other aspects going for it verses the Nexus, but the CPU isn't one of them.
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4460 vs 4470
ncvikingx97 said:
And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
The Kindle Fire 8.9 is the one that beats the nexus 7 (slightly). The 4460 and 4470 are very different in performance (as far as 3D goes). The omap 4470 has a SGX544 vs the SGX540 in the 4460.
http://www.arctablet.com/blog/featu...0-tablet-review-part-3-omap-4470-performance/
This means the 7HD should perform like a Galaxy Nexus (~2000) while the 8.9 performs like the Archos 101XS (~3800 quadrant)
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shook187 said:
Anyone thinking that the CPU on the Kindle HD will perform anything remotely close to the Nexus is only fooling yourselves. The CPU on the HD is by all means is considered a budget chip and anyone thinking otherwise is just being delusional. Sure the HD has other aspects going for it verses the Nexus, but the CPU isn't one of them.
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To me (and this almost kills me to say as a PC enthusiast that is constantly OC'ing and upgrading), there isn't a reason for all the power on android. Cell phones / tablets are the first technology I have seen where the hardware is so far beyond anything the software can take advantage of, it is almost pointless. Quad core processors on a tablet with near zero apps optimized for them. Graphics chips so fast they can run 3D games with ease....with about 10 3D games to play...
I highly doubt there will be any software coming anytime soon that will tax even a KFHD's hardware - especially if you use a PC / Laptop for hardcore gaming, and stick with stuff like Cut the Rope and word games on your tablet.
It seems like such a waste of hardware computing power to me.

^^^^^^
And all the while chips are getting faster and faster.
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rp3 said:
ncvikingx97 said:
And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
The Kindle Fire 8.9 is the one that beats the nexus 7 (slightly). The 4460 and 4470 are very different in performance (as far as 3D goes). The omap 4470 has a SGX544 vs the SGX540 in the 4460.
http://www.arctablet.com/blog/featu...0-tablet-review-part-3-omap-4470-performance/
This means the 7HD should perform like a Galaxy Nexus (~2000) while the 8.9 performs like the Archos 101XS (~3800 quadrant)
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Is the difference between the two that extreme?crazy
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Now 6700 from Antutu benchmark. Sweet.
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Most of the literature I've seen says the KFHD 7 has a 4460 with an SGX544 (not an SGX540). Is this even possible ?

It would be great if it was. I don't think amazonvwants to desperate the two in hardware to the extreme of what others are saying
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seabiscuit68 said:
To me (and this almost kills me to say as a PC enthusiast that is constantly OC'ing and upgrading), there isn't a reason for all the power on android. Cell phones / tablets are the first technology I have seen where the hardware is so far beyond anything the software can take advantage of, it is almost pointless. Quad core processors on a tablet with near zero apps optimized for them. Graphics chips so fast they can run 3D games with ease....with about 10 3D games to play...
I highly doubt there will be any software coming anytime soon that will tax even a KFHD's hardware - especially if you use a PC / Laptop for hardcore gaming, and stick with stuff like Cut the Rope and word games on your tablet.
It seems like such a waste of hardware computing power to me.
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It's pointless to own now only because of the lack of optimizations, this is slowly changing. There is always be a growth period for software when new hardware releases. The applications that really need the extra cores are already using them, dont worry.
Look at Apple for example. It's taking time to get the apps for the new iPads higher screen resolution but it is happening, just slowly. Now consider that the iPad 1 with it's single core no longer receives updates to the OS as it's become too slow with all the changes and outdated. Apple even restricts the applications it can use like garageband and a lot of 3D games run poorly or not at all. This is only 3 years old and already completely outdated even with the more efficient OS. Any android tablet surely would feel terribly slow much quicker considering Android is running as a virtual machine and using more resources to do so.

hax0red said:
It's pointless to own now only because of the lack of optimizations, this is slowly changing. There is always be a growth period for software when new hardware releases. The applications that really need the extra cores are already using them, dont worry.
Look at Apple for example. It's taking time to get the apps for the new iPads higher screen resolution but it is happening, just slowly. Now consider that the iPad 1 with it's single core no longer receives updates to the OS as it's become too slow with all the changes and outdated. Apple even restricts the applications it can use like garageband and a lot of 3D games run poorly or not at all. This is only 3 years old and already completely outdated even with the more efficient OS. Any android tablet surely would feel terribly slow much quicker considering Android is running as a virtual machine and using more resources to do so.
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Just curious, what does it mean it is running as a virtual machine? Thank you
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Nexus 10 gaming lag discussion

Hello folks
Some high res games in the nexus does have frame drips or even lags
Such as Modern Combat 4
Or GTA maxed out
So do u think its a software or hardware problem...
To start off, I personally think that the high res screen that the nexus 10 has has a large impact on its performance
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Its not the high res screen dude. Its the kernel. If its the high res screen the game wouldn't run smoothly for 15 secs then lag for 5 seconds.

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Its not the high res screen dude. Its the kernel. If its the high res screen the game wouldn't run smoothly for 15 secs then lag for 5 seconds.
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In some cases it maybe but check the video in youtube of modern combat 4, overall it just stutters
But for GTA ur right maybe its kernel problem
My 2 cents
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Glad someone brought this up. Mine lags in vice city at 80 PC resolution. N.o.v.a. 3 seems to be fine but stutters at times. I tried every benchmarking software out there and they all returned normal scores for the nexus 10. So I really don't know where the problem lies?

Mine starts to lag when the back of the unit gets too warm. Hoping the devs can fix it via kernel or custom rom. But so far though this is the best android tablet for gaming thus far. Gonna have to see though whats going to be released by others at CES next month. I may just return and hopefully they come out with tablets with quadcore exynos and slightly better gpu.
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goodburner said:
Glad someone brought this up. Mine lags in vice city at 80 PC resolution. N.o.v.a. 3 seems to be fine but stutters at times. I tried every benchmarking software out there and they all returned normal scores for the nexus 10. So I really don't know where the problem lies?
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But not all the effects are there in nova :banghead:
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aznmode said:
Mine starts to lag when the back of the unit gets too warm. Hoping the devs can fix it via kernel or custom rom. But so far though this is the best android tablet for gaming thus far. Gonna have to see though whats going to be released by others at CES next month. I may just return and hopefully they come out with tablets with quadcore exynos and slightly better gpu.
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Maybe exynos 5 quad also uses t604 just like exynos 4 dual and quad but maybe higher freq....
Check pdanet too
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edwinpang said:
In some cases it maybe but check the video in youtube of modern combat 4, overall it just stutters
But for GTA ur right maybe its kernel problem
My 2 cents
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The MC4 N10 YouTube videos that I've seen are running the leaked MC4. The leaked version had Galaxy S3 specific settings (Edit: I'm wrong about this). The version that you can currently purchase on the N10 is way smoother than the leak. Unfortunately, I uninstalled the copy of MC4, but I suspect that if you open up the android manifest, you'd see different settings. The leak ran at native resolution (Edit: not positive about this). Based on the limited time I played on the N10, I think the production version on the N10 is running at 1/2 resolution, possibly with lower quality textures. It still looks and plays great, but the movement felt a bit "slushy" compared to the iPad version. I highly reccomend the game. The only reason I uninstalled is because I had 40 hours of multiplayer gameplay on the iOS version and was ranked around 300 with nearly all of the weapons purchased. Unfortunately when I log in on the N10 with the same Gameloft Live account, none of the multiplayer progress is carried over. It seems the Android players are on different servers, though I can confirm that WIFI/local multiplayer games are cross platform.
Edit: I'm completely wrong about the AndroidManifest.xml. Both specify xperia play optimized content and the same OpenGL ES version. I'm not sure where the changes are but, the production version plays pretty smooth. If you look at AndroidManifest files for other games, like Shadowgun Deadzone, you can see specifications for texture compression and things like that, but I don't see anything like that for MC4. Sorry for the mistake.

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Maybe exynos 5 quad also uses t604 just like exynos 4 dual and quad but maybe higher freq....
Check pdanet too
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The Exynos 5 quad is supposed to first be paired with the Mali-T658 GPU, which is similar to ours but with twice as many cores and a few other better things. It also isnt supposed to be out for another couple quarters.

Games seem pretty smooth to me

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Games seem pretty smooth to me
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As I said no effects. ...
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EniGmA1987 said:
The Exynos 5 quad is supposed to first be paired with the Mali-T658 GPU, which is similar to ours but with twice as many cores and a few other better things. It also isnt supposed to be out for another couple quarters.
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Hopefully but samsung hasn't made ut official so ya who knows
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Nexus 7 or Nexus 4 for gaming??

Hi there could I get some advice please.
Which device would you use for gaming?
I have a rooted Nexus 7 and have opted to use that for gaming due to battery life (thanks to mkernel I think) 32gb storage and screen size. But I have found that performance can be an issue with some games. Particularly need for speed that lags like hell but one of the best games in my opinion.
Whereas need for speed runs smooth on my nexus 4 I believe due to the snapdragon and 2gb ram maybe.
Can anyone restore faith in my Nexus 7 for gaming or should I consider moving onto Nexus 4. The only issue I have is the limited memory and battery life.
Does the Nexus 7 1st gen. Have the hardware to be a great gaming tablet?
Would gladly hear some other views and opinions or ways to improve the performance of the Nexus 7.
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Idk man, I've played "heavier" games on my N7 without any issue. Maybe you can try overclocking the cpu and the gpu, clear the memory.
Btw, which version of NFS lags for you?

Need for Speed most wanted. I over clocked cpu to 1700 with m kernel but not messed with gpu settings as I'm still new to the modding! What gpu setting do you recommend as I use trickster mod and sure I can change the settings there. Quickest and easiest way to clear memory too. You mean ram right?
Need for Speed mainly lags when approaching police road blocks. But I have read somewhere it's the tegra 3 and can't cope with graphics or summin like that.
Thanks for your reply by the way.
Would appreciate your thoughts.
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I've tested the NFS:MW and hadn't experienced a single lag.
Lately I don't have much time to play, so max CPU clock is 1200 and max GPU is 446. But as I sad, it runs without any lag.
What rom are you using? How much free ram you have when you don't play?

I'm using stock. My gpu is 446 also. Free RAM is around 400 to 430mb. Is this what you would expect? Do you recommend ram booster apps as I have heard they don't really do much.
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Nah, your ram is just fine as it is and 400mb free ram is fine. I don't really have any idea what could be the problem. As I said, it runs fine on my N7 even on 1200MHz.
Maybe there is an app running in the background with high I/O and/or CPU burst. Or maybe some files of the game got corrupted and takes longer to load.

Hi there,
Nexus 7 equipped with 12+1 Tegra cores is not much effective...These cores are CPU+GPU cores so no discrete GPU chip for Nexus 7. .. This can make processing slower..I feel... while on the other hand. Nexus 4 has discrete Adreno 320 GPU specially designed to render graphics;;..
I played GTA 3 on it and i am shocked that i find it better on nexus 4 than on my PC!!
Ofcourse Adreno 320 is a powerhouse of graphical computation for N4...
So my vote.---->> N4 > N7...
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Worth the upgrade - very tempted

OK, so currently I have the Hyundai t7 which is a Chinese tablet which I got for £66. It has a Samsung exynos 4412 1.6ghz processor and 1 GB ram, 1280*800 7inch IPS screen and dual cameras. Although the specs seem quite good it only runs ICS but has a very unstable jellybean ROM. I know that the advent has 4.4.2 the latest one. My first question, is this tablet supported through a lot of new firmwares. For example will it get android 5.0 etc?. When using in the shop the speed is amazing as well as the unique stylus. Now for the battery. My Hyundai can get a mere 1hr screen on time which is dreadful. I am definitely looking for upgrade on that. How long is the screen on time on the tegra not. Finally is it worth upgrading? It cost at my PC world £130
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dec1153 said:
OK, so currently I have the Hyundai t7 which is a Chinese tablet which I got for £66. It has a Samsung exynos 4412 1.6ghz processor and 1 GB ram, 1280*800 7inch IPS screen and dual cameras. Although the specs seem quite good it only runs ICS but has a very unstable jellybean ROM. I know that the advent has 4.4.2 the latest one. My first question, is this tablet supported through a lot of new firmwares. For example will it get android 5.0 etc?. When using in the shop the speed is amazing as well as the unique stylus. Now for the battery. My Hyundai can get a mere 1hr screen on time which is dreadful. I am definitely looking for upgrade on that. How long is the screen on time on the tegra not. Finally is it worth upgrading? It cost at my PC world £130
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I get several hours (~5) on mixed usage on my EVGA Note 7 on maximum performance option, max screen brightness and with bluetooth and wifi turned on. This includes a mix of gaming for an hour or two, lots of web browsing, flash videos and movies or shows downloaded to the tablet. Nvidia has said that they'll roll out updates on their devices as soon as possible and that seems to be the case with the Note 7 and Shield as they've both got the 4.4.2 update. I would be wary, though, as some people have reported problems with not being able to read or write to their SD cards. Personally, I'd suggest staying at the 4.2.2 or 4.3 rom until these issues get fixed. I got my brother the Nexus 7 2012 when it first came out and compared his to my Note 7. Honestly, in average use, I don't see too much difference and the games I play aren't graphics intensive but it played games like The Walking Dead: Season One, Dead Trigger, Asphalt 8 and Real Racing just fine.

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I get several hours (~5) on mixed usage on my EVGA Note 7 on maximum performance option, max screen brightness and with bluetooth and wifi turned on. This includes a mix of gaming for an hour or two, lots of web browsing, flash videos and movies or shows downloaded to the tablet. Nvidia has said that they'll roll out updates on their devices as soon as possible and that seems to be the case with the Note 7 and Shield as they've both got the 4.4.2 update. I would be wary, though, as some people have reported problems with not being able to read or write to their SD cards. Personally, I'd suggest staying at the 4.2.2 or 4.3 rom until these issues get fixed. I got my brother the Nexus 7 2012 when it first came out and compared his to my Note 7. Honestly, in average use, I don't see too much difference and the games I play aren't graphics intensive but it played games like The Walking Dead: Season One, Dead Trigger, Asphalt 8 and Real Racing just fine.
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Thanks for the reply. In your opinion do you think it is worth the upgrade from my current tablet (Hyundai t7). I have also been really considering to get a 10.1 inch one as bigger is better!
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dec1153 said:
Thanks for the reply. In your opinion do you think it is worth the upgrade from my current tablet (Hyundai t7). I have also been really considering to get a 10.1 inch one as bigger is better!
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I suppose it depends on what you use it for, what you require from the tablet and what your budget is. If you would really prefer a 10" tablet over a 7" one, I would really hold out to get what you really want. I know Qualcomm just revealed their 808 and 810 CPUs with Adreno 418 and 430 GPUs respectively and Nvidia's new Tegra K1 should be out in devices in the next several months. Be prepared to spend up to twice the price of what a 7" tablet costs, though.

Yes thanks. I have picked up he lg g pad 8.3 which was a steal at £119 so no need to worry about this!!!!
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