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Mali400 too weak for Note?

There are many games with stuttering issues, such as Asphalt 6 HD or this gameloft modern warfare clone. Maybe the Mail400 is too weak for the notes resolution? After all it was build for the SGS2 with lower res...

I noticed it too.
Hope You are wrong and ICS will solve this stuttering... If not I'm gonna sell my device and return to my old sGs2 that was smooth as silk

The Note stutters a lot more than the SII even outside gaming. Hopefully the ICS build for the Note is as decent as the one on the SII.
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I have no stuttering whatsoever on mine in Asphalt 6 with Chainfire 3D

Make sure your large-sized games are stored on the INTERNAL memory and not on your SD card. The internal memory reads at 30mb/s. Your SD card will not come close to that.

PoisonWolf said:
Make sure your large-sized games are stored on the INTERNAL memory and not on your SD card. The internal memory reads at 30mb/s. Your SD card will not come close to that.
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Actually my Samsung class 10 does. Quite good for the price.
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Asphalt 6 also stutters in SGS2... make sure you use cf root and OC the GPU to 267Mhz - 1000Mhz with tegrak ultimate!
I did OC my GPU in my SGS2 and my note and don't see stuttering anymore

Zamboney said:
Actually my Samsung class 10 does. Quite good for the price.
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Not for random read/write access. A class 4 would be better. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14456360&postcount=42

I think the GPU and CPU are fast enough, but the problem is within the rom.

Reckless racing 2, no doubt not the most intensive game, stutters on the Note with GB,
But while I was on ICS Leak (Rocket 1.5) the game was flawless.
So, I would place my bets on ICS delivering the Performance we are lacking.

eitama said:
Reckless racing 2, no doubt not the most intensive game, stutters on the Note with GB,
But while I was on ICS Leak (Rocket 1.5) the game was flawless.
So, I would place my bets on ICS delivering the Performance we are lacking.
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I believe the reason for this is because ICS has GPU Acceleration Enabled where as GB does not however... I am on Darky Note ROM and it has the GPU Acceleration coded into it and I have never seen any stuttering of any kind using this ROM.
Perhaps give that a try...

You need Tegrak Ultimate and lock the gpu to 267 MHz.
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It has nothing g to do with hardware its becouse some games are not coded for our devices and therefore will not take full advantage of the CPU or gpu .
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quattro_rs said:
It has nothing g to do with hardware its becouse some games are not coded for our devices and therefore will not take full advantage of the CPU or gpu .
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And Bingo was his name-o. B-I-N-G-O B-I-N-G-O B-I-N-G-O, and Bingo was his name-o!
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Good memories
Use tegrak to do some gpu oc and you wont feel stutter
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ooidort said:
The Note stutters a lot more than the SII even outside gaming. Hopefully the ICS build for the Note is as decent as the one on the SII.
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ICS wont fix it for games that already have gpu acceleration. you can do lots with software, but you cant make up for a GPU that doesnt have enough graphical power.
the reason why the note stutters more on games that dont stutter on the S2 is because the note has 2.66 times as many pixels at any given time (384000 pixels on s2 screen vs 1024000 pixels screen). the mali gpu doesnt have enough graphical processing power for graphically demanding games on our notes, hence it has difficulty maintaining a steady 60fps in some games (or 57 since that's the refresh rate for our notes).

Souai said:
ICS wont fix it for games that already have gpu acceleration. you can do lots with software, but you cant make up for a GPU that doesnt have enough graphical power.
the reason why the note stutters more on games that dont stutter on the S2 is because the note has 2.66 times as many pixels at any given time (384000 pixels on s2 screen vs 1024000 pixels screen). the mali gpu doesnt have enough graphical processing power for graphically demanding games on our notes, hence it has difficulty maintaining a steady 60fps in some games (or 57 since that's the refresh rate for our notes).
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The question is though if the games are programmed to bring the mail400 to the limit. After all it's still better in almost all other phones, you need to take that into consideration. It's hard to tell also because I don't KNOW how most of the games are supposed to run. F.E. the MW clone from gameloft, does it run at 60 on the S2? It sure doesn't for me on the note, feels pretty ****ty.

Even a game like Pocket League Soccer is slowing down in quality mode...maybe 720p is just too much. Wouldn't come by surprise though.

Im running midnote ICS Rom and all my stuttering and even overheating issues are gone with gaming. And whats even more amazing is that this ICS build is underclocked to 1.2ghz
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ryan562 said:
Im running midnote ICS Rom and all my stuttering and even overheating issues are gone with gaming. And whats even more amazing is that this ICS build is underclocked to 1.2ghz
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Hm. Did you try Asphalt 6 HD, Blood and Glory or Shadowgun? Or Modern Combat? Those games are lacking performance on GB 2..3.6 stock rom...

How does the nexus 10 cpu compare to Tegra 3?

Heard some reports from a tech site that while playing a game at high quality the performance on this tablet tanked so they had to lower the settings to alleviate the issue. Really worried about this since if the cpu is not up to snugg i might as well get the nexus 4?

Fasty12 said:
Heard some reports from a tech site that while playing a game at high quality the performance on this tablet tanked so they had to lower the settings to alleviate the issue. Really worried about this since if the cpu is not up to snugg i might as well get the nexus 4?
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The CPU is very good. The GPU is the best GPU on Android currently but that huge resolution is pulling FPS down.
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Well, it destroys the Tegra 3, that is for sure. But yeah, it's that resolution. It's supposed to be able to handle it, but obviously it won't do it as well as if it were lower.

Also take into account that all the reviews are not running the same thing the one we will purchase. Google has made this clear. Things like miracast and multiple users are not there as of right now and some performance will be ironed out b4 release.

kaspar737 said:
The CPU is very good. The GPU is the best GPU on Android currently but that huge resolution is pulling FPS down.
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do you think game devs will give the option to run the game at a lower resolution to get better FPS? Seems like it'd be worth it to run a game @ 1080p and gain some performance.

keenraven said:
do you think game devs will give the option to run the game at a lower resolution to get better FPS? Seems like it'd be worth it to run a game @ 1080p and gain some performance.
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Well Gameloft said they will optimise their games for Nexus 10 display. I have no idea what they meant under that. I hope they can somehow make their games run 1600p native. If not, well 1080p upscaled is still very good.
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kaspar737 said:
Well Gameloft said they will optimise their games for Nexus 10 display. I have no idea what they meant under that. I hope they can somehow make their games run 1600p native. If not, well 1080p upscaled is still very good.
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Gameloft did this with NOVA 3 already, presumably to update the textures. As this is not a big job, Gameloft should be able to do the same with their other top games.
(By the way, Nexus 10 supports all of NOVA 3's special effects.)

Fasty12 said:
Heard some reports from a tech site that while playing a game at high quality the performance on this tablet tanked so they had to lower the settings to alleviate the issue. Really worried about this since if the cpu is not up to snugg i might as well get the nexus 4?
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Saw in a review (cant remember which one) that although it is faster than the Tegra 3 the multi core of the T3 was better for intensive gaming since it was better at multitasking, I think they had to lower graphics in nova 3 or deadtrigger!

username24 said:
Saw in a review (cant remember which one) that although it is faster than the Tegra 3 the multi core of the T3 was better for intensive gaming since it was better at multitasking, I think they had to lower graphics in nova 3 or deadtrigger!
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Games are very GPU based and the multitasking on tegra 3 is crippled by the cheap slow read and write memory
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[Q] Gaming

Do vice city and gta 3 lag on nexus 4? Are there any high graphical 3d games that lag on nexus 4? Is it good for hardcore gaming at budget?

I honestly just got my N4 have had it for about 3 weeks.
Every game I've bought/downloaded and played has never lagged.
Right now I'm on a Real Racing 3 spree.
The game runs phenomenal.
I also downloaded Dead Trigger 2, modded the .XML file to run at highest graphic setting (for some reason it wouldn't run at full optimization on my phone so I did a little tweaking) and it runs amazing.
I don't expect any lag to come from a quad core 2g of ram phone running pure android.
Hell when I had my GS3 every game ran smoothly.
If you or any user experiences any lag it's either on the user end or in some cases (if you flash a buggy ROM) the ROM will act up.
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ian619420 said:
Do vice city and gta 3 lag on nexus 4? Are there any high graphical 3d games that lag on nexus 4? Is it good for hardcore gaming at budget?
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Well, Hi.. I have played gta 3 on my n4 for about a week and at max graphics, dynamic shadows, resolution clocked at 60%... It runs awesome...
But where density of polygons is more,, it lags a bit....
Moreover, my experience is great!! You will definitely unleash the power of 2 gigs ram equipped with Qualcomm Adreno 320 GPU for max performance..!!
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If I helped, Don't Hesitate to push THANKS!!Cheers!!

Gta vc does lag a bit when driving with everything on max unless I am overclocked and on a optimised rom. One game that does lag a bit though is oil rush 3d but I'm not surprised as it's probably the best looking android game I've ever seen.
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In march 2014 to like summer june 2013 could there possibly be a snapdragon 800 phone or better on contract for 100 dollars or less?

THEBANDIT420 said:
Gta vc does lag a bit when driving with everything on max unless I am overclocked and on a optimised rom. One game that does lag a bit though is oil rush 3d but I'm not surprised as it's probably the best looking android game I've ever seen.
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At max. performance, yes GTA VC will lag only a bit, also it is higher demanding game than gta 3 so yes u can expect some random lags in hiigher polygon frquency areas... But overall, experience will be great!
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In march 2014 to like summer june 2013 could there possibly be a snapdragon 800 phone or better on contract for 100 dollars or less?
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Snapdragon Qualcomm 800 is already here in phones like LG G2, Samsung Curve...
About contracts, I dont know..

Unoptimized cores?

My nexus lag when playing asphalt 8, when I go to YouTube I saw people with nexus 7 2012 playing it smoothly, I downloaded the Tegra Overclock app, in the core count section it showed that only 2 cores are active, I selected 4 and there was a noticeable increase of framerate and the cover is less hot when playing games so I think normally my nexus uses only 2 cores and they heated up pretty fast while other 2 cores do nothing. I hope this help people that have the problem like me

YellowMango said:
My nexus lag when playing asphalt 8, when I go to YouTube I saw people with nexus 7 2012 playing it smoothly, I downloaded the Tegra Overclock app, in the core count section it showed that only 2 cores are active, I selected 4 and there was a noticeable increase of framerate and the cover is less hot when playing games so I think normally my nexus uses only 2 cores and they heated up pretty fast while other 2 cores do nothing. I hope this help people that have the problem like me
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could you post a link for the app in the play store? is it tegra overclock or tegrak overclock?

I had lag at first. Then i cleared about 4gb of storage and then it ran smooth...
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heatledger said:
could you post a link for the app in the play store? is it tegra overclock or tegrak overclock?
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it's tegra overclock not tegrak

YellowMango said:
it's tegra overclock not tegrak
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OK thanks
And which ROM/kernel are you using?
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YellowMango said:
My nexus lag when playing asphalt 8, when I go to YouTube I saw people with nexus 7 2012 playing it smoothly, I downloaded the Tegra Overclock app, in the core count section it showed that only 2 cores are active, I selected 4 and there was a noticeable increase of framerate and the cover is less hot when playing games so I think normally my nexus uses only 2 cores and they heated up pretty fast while other 2 cores do nothing. I hope this help people that have the problem like me
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It is quite normal that only 2 cores are active.
Most games only use 2 threads, making the extra cores useless during gameplay (well, not totally useless. They can still do some stuff sporadically like syncing without interfering with the game).
My nexus 7 also runs asphalt 8 quite fine, but it starts to drop framerates drastically when it gets hot.
If I compare this with my other devices:
- An S2 drops framerate after 10 minutes of playing (but less noticable compared to the nexus 7)
- A Note 10.1 keeps going on full force. And even if it goes into a thermal slowdown (after 1 hour of playing!), it is not noticeable (even here 2 cores are disabled during gaming, the 3rd or 4th core only come online when something else is happening on the tablet, like an incoming mail notification)
Could it be that overclocking makes the Nexus 7 hotter, making it to go into thermal protection quicker (and actually slows down the device)?
Can you try the device without overclock?

I'm using stock and I didn't overclocked it
I really don't know, cpuspy shows that the cores clock at 1200mhz way more than before
Glad that I tried though

Considering the Nexus4 ppwer. Why is it.

Why some mid range games lag? Before I update the gpu and flash zip to optimize dalvic and bionic. They lag. It is tolerable for many but not for me. Also after I flash and zips and the gpu update still its lags. You dont have the smoothness that you expect in the Nexus 4 while playing. Games lime temple runs, and vector.
Btw Im all stock but rooted.
Thanks!!
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Which games lag?
It could be your kernel settings. Some games aren't optimized well. Despicable Me sometimes lags on Android but it's butter smooth on iOS, while a game like Subway surfers is very smooth on Android, lags like hell on all iPhones.

Optimisation...
There are only few games those are optimizated for Android, but the majority runs really bad! Look at games like The Walking Dead (Telltale), Android port is horrible than the iPhone one.

Thanks to both of you. So want are best games that optomized for android or nexus 4, i wanna really feel the power of thos device haha lol
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PwNeGeR said:
Optimisation...
There are only few games those are optimizated for Android, but the majority runs really bad! Look at games like The Walking Dead (Telltale), Android port is horrible than the iPhone one.
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Which games lag?
It could be your kernel settings. Some games aren't optimized well. Despicable Me sometimes lags on Android but it's butter smooth on iOS, while a game like Subway surfers is very smooth on Android, lags like hell on all iPhones.
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Thanks to both of you. So want are best games that optomized for android or nexus 4, i wanna really feel the power of this device haha lol
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From my experience Subway Surfers, NFS Most Wanted, GTA Games. Constant 60fps

Mashed_Potatoes said:
From my experience Subway Surfers, NFS Most Wanted, GTA Games. Constant 60fps
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Ive experience some lags on vice city.
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Mashed_Potatoes said:
From my experience Subway Surfers, NFS Most Wanted, GTA Games. Constant 60fps
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Subway is light, NFS Most Wanted too, every GTA (expecially SA) can run at 60 FPS only with low-med settings (with max settings they're almost unplayable with a stock Nexus 4), and they don't seem to be well optimized... Anyway they're really funny even with med graphics

PwNeGeR said:
Subway is light, NFS Most Wanted too, every GTA (expecially SA) can run at 60 FPS only with low-med settings (with max settings they're almost unplayable with a stock Nexus 4), and they don't seem to be well optimized... Anyway they're really funny even with med graphics
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I still haven't tried GTA on my N4, All GTA games worked at 60fps on my ex-Note II, and it had a Mali 400 which i think is weaker than Adreno 320.

Mashed_Potatoes said:
I still haven't tried GTA on my N4, All GTA games worked at 60fps on my ex-Note II, and it had a Mali 400 which i think is weaker than Adreno 320.
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Ok then, but I doubt you maxed them. GTAs are very heavy and there is no device that can handle them maxed at 60 FPS for now, trust me.

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Ok then, but I doubt you maxed them. GTAs are very heavy and there is no device that can handle them maxed at 60 FPS for now, trust me.
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Lol it was without doubt working on Max settings, im not 100% sure was it constant 60fps but it NEVER lagged and it never fell under lets say 30-40.... why would i lie? I don't even have the note 2 anymore
take a look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMmMsGpZ2M

Mashed_Potatoes said:
Lol it was without doubt working on Max settings, im not 100% sure was it constant 60fps but it NEVER lagged and it never fell under lets say 30-40.... why would i lie? I don't even have the note 2 anymore
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMmMsGpZ2M
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Every benchmark admit that the Nexus 4 is much more powerful than Note 2 in gaming (http://www.phonearena.com/news/Benc...s-Optimus-G-Pro-vs-Nexus-4-vs-HTC-One_id41542).
I don't know, maybe it's the thermal trhottling, that's really really strange.

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Every benchmark admit that the Nexus 4 is much more powerful than Note 2 in gaming (http://www.phonearena.com/news/Benc...s-Optimus-G-Pro-vs-Nexus-4-vs-HTC-One_id41542).
I don't know, maybe it's the thermal trhottling, that's really really strange.
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Most likely, all Qualcomm phones i had (from S1 to S4) were prone to heating. Exynos was cooler but many Samsung flagships (S2,S3,S4,NI,NII,NIII) have eMMC brick bugs...aka Sudden death syndrome...thats why i sold my Note, i was afraid it would stop working

Mashed_Potatoes said:
Most likely, all Qualcomm phones i had (from S1 to S4) were prone to heating. Exynos was cooler but many Samsung flagships (S2,S3,S4,NI,NII,NIII) have eMMC brick bugs...aka Sudden death syndrome...thats why i sold my Note, i was afraid it would stop working
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I heard that... It isn't such a problem if you don't flash a ROM with the active bug (two summers ago Samsung relased a ROM with the comand to active the bug for S2, many devices died :\).
Anyway, I'm trying again GTA SA with my Nexus 4 (High settings, shadow med, low reflection, full resolution) and it goes at + or - 40 FPS, just saying...

PwNeGeR said:
I heard that... It isn't such a problem if you don't flash a ROM with the active bug (two summers ago Samsung relased a ROM with the comand to active the bug for S2, many devices died :\).
Anyway, I'm trying again GTA SA with my Nexus 4 (High settings, shadow med, low reflection, full resolution) and it goes at + or - 40 FPS, just saying...
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Have you tried undervolting for less heat? I think 700uV for 184mhz and 1025uV for 1512mhz is the limit, anything under that is an instant crash

How did all of you knew the fps of every game you play? Haha
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Just downloaded the fps meter and the result was I got average of 33fps playing despicable me and 58 fps avg. On subway surfers
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Mashed_Potatoes said:
Have you tried undervolting for less heat? I think 700uV for 184mhz and 1025uV for 1512mhz is the limit, anything under that is an instant crash
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Hey man. Does undevolting requires underclocking? Or does undervolting affects the performance or just fix the thermal throtling?
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Mashed_Potatoes said:
Have you tried undervolting for less heat? I think 700uV for 184mhz and 1025uV for 1512mhz is the limit, anything under that is an instant crash
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When I change kernel\ROM the first thing I do is setting Trickster, and I've a decent Undervoltage.
I have a nominal CPU and the limit for 1512, in my case, is only 10625. Anyway, I had problem with temperature with 4.2.2, but from 4.3 it got better and better
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bmt25 said:
Hey man. Does undevolting requires underclocking? Or does undervolting affects the performance or just fix the thermal throtling?
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Absolutely not, uv and uc are different things. Undervolting doesn't fix thermal throtling, but minor voltage is equal at minor warm (Did i write it right?)

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Absolutely not, uv and uc are different things. Undervolting doesn't fix thermal throtling, but minor voltage is equal at minor warm (Did i write it right?)
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So sir the lesser the voltage the longer it will take the nexus to get hot? Or to throtlle?
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