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I played around with the S3 at a Bell store today...

... and noticed that all 3 demo'd devices were a bit... laggish. I mean, I tried running a game (blood and glory) and I noticed some frame skipping while no other apps running. I tried scrolling through lists in Google Play or Settings and noticed some sluggish preformance, kindly like using an HTC device.
Then I noticed while downloading an app, it started locking up the phone and became unresponsive at times until the download was complete, twice as slow as my GS2. This seemed a bit confusing.
I'm just having a bit of a dilemma as to whether it makes sense to upgrade to the North American version or buy the international version since it's better spec'd for performance.
What say you?

Probably had numerous processes running. You can close out of an app, but it can still run in he background.

That's the thing, I did by closing all apps and via task manager as well as clearing memory option. It was very odd.

ive been rethinking my purchase since jellybean.
i doubt ill switch to the nexus though.

I don't know about Bell but a lot of times AT&T demo's have special programs on them that run like a video brochure for customers to see many of the phones features and this program can't be unactivated.
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I have a White SGS3 for AT&T and I will tell you it runs lag free!!!

I don't have lag neither it might have been their units maybe someone install something that weren't supposed to, I do not have any lag
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Not lagging here at all... So not sure what was going on
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did you try rebooting the phone?

I have the Telus Galaxy s 3, there is no lag and it is smooth and super fast compared to my galaxy note.

Zero lag.

This thing runs circles around my razr maxx running aokp. It is decently quicker than my transformer prime too.
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I've actually noticed a similar thing with my SGS3. I'm coming from the original Atrix 4G with Gingerbread. That thing was so impressively fast that it would keep up with my absolute fastest taps (I just know where buttons are and I wouldn't even wait for the next menu to draw on screen before tapping).
I expected the S3 to be at least as fast but then I noticed something; ICS is a BEAST! ICS seems to be very labor intensive to run and this translates to the SGS3 being maybe 15% slower with general navigation. Not such an enormous issue (and Jelly Bean will likely fix that), but it gets worse with games.
Games never had an issue on my Atrix, then again I was never running NOVA 3 with a PS3 controller. The Snapdragon S4's video core just doesn't seem to be that powerful. Many games, even ones that are months old drop (many) frames when settings are turned up. The worst culprit however is NOVA 3 (probably the most advanced game). Maybe the version I'm running just isn't optimized for the Snapdragon, but that **** lags like a little *****! Barely pushing 5-10fps during on screen action. The international SGS3 with the Mali400 video core seems to be so far advanced that even the most labor intensive game can't begin to tax it...
Sad, just our plight. But it gets even worse. The Snapdragon is supposed to be super duper advanced and truly future tech, but NOW. It is amazing that it can even keep up with the most advanced quad-core of today, but it's biggest benefit is supposed to be battery life. Smaller manufacturing process, half the cores, advanced architecture, but only maybe a 10% improvement in battery life. Would you pass up LTE for better local performance? Maybe not. (They used the Snapdragon S4 because it has LTE built in and using the Exynos would mean needing a second LTE chip and SUPER ****TY battery life)
I don't really know much, but I feel like manufacturers should focus more on how to reduce the power consumption of the screen because I'm not sure how power hungry the processor is while I'm just reading an article in my browser (or playing a simple game for that matter). While AMOLED's are beautiful, I would prefer to have just a nice screen that frikin lasts a complete goddamn day at sufficient brightness for me to SEE ****!!(especially in the blasted sun!).
Samsungs quad-core is the processor of TODAY that all high end phones should match (not the case at all though). Dunno how they got the power consumption under control, but they did an excellent job. The rest of the world is very fortunate since their phones probably will not 'feel' slow in a year or two. As for the US? Well if it weren't for the rest of the package being so complete, the phone already feels dated to me. This phone, no, this generation of phones, seems to be more of a sidestep. Just like the SGS2 vs SGS3, there's a lot of the same stuff there, but it's all been a little more refined.
Ultimately, it was time for a new phone. This one should hold out for the next 18 months. After all, it is the undisputed best Android (the OneX is DOA due to it's lack of an SD slot; HTC is just plain stupid). In the next generation, I would really really really like to see some Pixel Q screen equivalent development, increased battery life, performance is a given, and some really clean designs with not so many lines and crap all over the place.
All that being said, the SGS3 is truly a beautiful phone in every respect. The enormous screen is packaged such that it feels so sleek and small and NOT cumbersome, that I actually want a larger screen because the whole phone feels smaller than it looks. I have an extremely high standard and this phone has yet to really annoy me with anything. It's an all around good phone.
Sorry for the long reply, I got a little carried away.

Its hard to judge a phones performance based on demo units. Think about how many people come into the store and mess around with the phone doing god knows what, installing who knows what, etc. Only way to really judge the performance is to play with a brand new one.

When people say zero lag, most of the time it is because their standards ridiculously low. They might be coming from a much slower device, or they really treasure their phone and subconsciously ignore lag. Whatever the case, there's definitely lag with the TW launcher. I use Apex, and there is much less lag with that launcher.

nabbed said:
When people say zero lag, most of the time it is because their standards ridiculously low. They might be coming from a much slower device, or they really treasure their phone and subconsciously ignore lag. Whatever the case, there's definitely lag with the TW launcher. I use Apex, and there is much less lag with that launcher.
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Haha I had some lag from time to time but then I flashed a debloated rom and this phone flies. Too much crap on the US phones - like always. This Snapdragon cpu is pretty sick! I get great battery life and thats comming from a razr maxx, but then again I am no longer using the power sucking verizon lte network.
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I appreciate all the replies. It definitely helps to provide some perspective. I will definitely try the phone with the 15 day return option JUST in case and see how this baby runs with de-bloated roms.
Thanks!

xoltrix2000 said:
I appreciate all the replies. It definitely helps to provide some perspective. I will definitely try the phone with the 15 day return option JUST in case and see how this baby runs with de-bloated roms.
Thanks!
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Don't root if you plan on returning. Just an FYI Samsung seems to have done a fast job porting ics onto the gs3. A lot of the apps are actually compiled in gingerbread which lack GPU and other performance enhancements
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You can root just make sure you use the root method that does not activate the counter. It's a sticky in the development section.
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Pick it up finally from Bell yesterday... HORRY SHEET! As expected, this thing is mind blasting! I did not think Google Maps could lock and navigate any faster, seriously.
Only thing that is sad is a lot of the games do not work for it yet. Can't wait till that happens.

coming from tf700t

Hi,
getting rid of my tf700t due to terrible stability problems and Asus not being one jot of help. I had sworn never to touch an Asus product again but seem v limited for options when considering a high-powered and high res screen.
Can people confirm that both performance and stability on this tablet is much improved over the tf700 as I cant put up with random reboots again?
Oh, and does CIFS work as may then just get the 16gb version?
Cheers

pinn___________ said:
Hi,
getting rid of my tf700t due to terrible stability problems and Asus not being one jot of help. I had sworn never to touch an Asus product again but seem v limited for options when considering a high-powered and high res screen.
Can people confirm that both performance and stability on this tablet is much improved over the tf700 as I cant put up with random reboots again?
Oh, and does CIFS work as may then just get the 16gb version?
Cheers
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Some people have random reboots. I dont know about the frequency comapred to tf700 tho. (I dont have random reboots at all) I can respond with "yes" to all other questions

Cant speak to the stability as I've been running CM10 on mine since day 2... but its having used both its definitely faster. If you dont mind the lack of a keyboard dock or SD card slot, its definitely a step up in every regard.

Jotokun said:
Cant speak to the stability as I've been running CM10 on mine since day 2... but its having used both its definitely faster. If you dont mind the lack of a keyboard dock or SD card slot, its definitely a step up in every regard.
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Thats's good to hear as I thought the dual core may have been a bottle neck but maybe the extra RAM helps.
Cheers

pinn___________ said:
Thats's good to hear as I thought the dual core may have been a bottle neck but maybe the extra RAM helps.
Cheers
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From what I've read Asus used really cheap flash storage in their TF201/300/700 tablets, which is pretty much the source of all their speed issues. The extra ram doesn't hurt though, and while the CPU is only dual-core, its based on ARM's A15 instead of A9 like the tegra.

Jotokun said:
From what I've read Asus used really cheap flash storage in their TF201/300/700 tablets, which is pretty much the source of all their speed issues. The extra ram doesn't hurt though, and while the CPU is only dual-core, its based on ARM's A15 instead of A9 like the tegra.
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Cheers. Just been checking the reviews on Tom's hardware and he doesn't give the screen a very good rating, complaining that the colours are much more vibrant on the ipad. Bit of a bummer as apart from this, there's bugger all on the market of a decent spec.
Can anyone make a favourable comparison to the new ipad's screen?

Jotokun said:
From what I've read Asus used really cheap flash storage in their TF201/300/700 tablets, which is pretty much the source of all their speed issues. The extra ram doesn't hurt though, and while the CPU is only dual-core, its based on ARM's A15 instead of A9 like the tegra.
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The tf700t and n10 use the same DDR3 RAM.
But the n10 is a HUGE step up from the tf700t.
Even if the Tegra 3 was clocked at the same speed Exynos' 2 cores are still about twice as fast as Tegras 4 cores. Before I got the n10 I was considering the tf700t mainly for the expandable storage and the cool keyboard dock with extra battery. In retrospect I made the right choice, 32GB is plenty and I have a case with bluetooth keyboard.

pinn___________ said:
Hi,
getting rid of my tf700t due to terrible stability problems and Asus not being one jot of help. I had sworn never to touch an Asus product again but seem v limited for options when considering a high-powered and high res screen.
Can people confirm that both performance and stability on this tablet is much improved over the tf700 as I cant put up with random reboots again?
Oh, and does CIFS work as may then just get the 16gb version?
Cheers
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Running aokp here. Much much more stable than my tf700, much faster too.
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If you are sick of reboots I'd wait to see if next software version fixes it. I'm on my second device and they both reboot. 4.2.2 decreased it so far to about every 2 days for me. Like you, I have a low tolerance coming from a tf101 that had SOD issues after upgrade. Do some searching. Plenty of people say it reboots. Plenty say it doesn't. Which will you be?
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Definitely just my opinion, but I love my nexus 7 & my nexus 10, and my nexus 4 for what its worth, but I have worked with practically every major tablet brand/model/manufacturer (in usa) including my tf700 Asus and don't get me wrong my Asus is great but its just not close to my nexus. Some of this is due to the development available on both and the lack of development I guess you could say on my Asus. I mean all three of my Asus tablets are still going strong (my tf300, my 201, and my 700) but finding a good stable ROM with features or ui I like has been more difficult at certain times. That's not to say I haven't had any issues with the nexus 10 ROMs or anything, but its never been too much of a problem for me to just find a new or updated ROM and things always seem to run better in general. Of course every user has different experiences on every tablet especially when it comes to custom ROMs and other mods, so again this is just my experience/opinion.... The only feature that's missing from nexus models to me is the expandable memory source of a micro SD card, I've always loved having that option on phones and tablets. But lately there's no shortage of decent ROMs on the nexus and other mods are also not very difficult to add if you need them. I use my nexus 10 kind of as my every day driver and go-to tablet for the most part. I teach a class for beginner android users locally and most of the time I use the nexus because its reliable and has good battery life.
Currently running nexus 10 with twrp rec, ROM is rasbeanjelly latest build v4.2.2-r1(might switch it up with diff ROM, but still kinda like this build), kept kernel that rasbeanjelly normally uses, and keep the nexus toolkit by mskip loaded on my pc in case I need or want to make any quick changes or have any boot issues it just makes things easier with toolkit---thanks again mskip.
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Feeling that myTF101 was getting a little outdated, I decided to upgrade to the TF700t. I returned it after a few days after so many headaches. It would lag continuously no matter which ROM i loaded on there. The web browsing experience was lackluster at best despite the many tweaks i implemented. Also no ability to relock the bootloader after Asus latest update was the last straw since it would have voided my warranty indefinitely.
I decided to spend the little bit of extra money on the N10 with bluetooth keyboard case and I feel like i made the right decision. Everything is so smooth and speedy withno lags whatsover. I can even relock the bootloader if i need to.
I know I dont miss having the keyboard dock even though it wouldve helped with the battery life. But what's the point of having extra battery life if the user experience is lackluster to begin with?

I can confirm that this is a better tablet than the 700. that thing was a piece of crap all together. after extended use I found the wifi to become crap in and out. the thing lagged all the time. I can go on forever. I believe the nexus 10 is much more stable and quick.
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Mass Placebo Effect on Lag

Seriously I have yet to experience any lag. I've heard much less on the subject for the 12 edition in the galaxy note than the new 14 edition of the note and I've used both daily for high intensity work applications. My 12 edition has been rooted deodexed debloated and is still way slower than my 14 edition unrooted stock. I have to say either xda has been hijacked by apple fans or those early reviews really put a bunch of people with a very critical outlook. Anyway I'm enjoying it......just my 37 dollars in change

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Seriously I have yet to experience any lag. I've heard much less on the subject for the 12 edition in the galaxy note than the new 14 edition of the note and I'very used both daily for high intensity work applications. My 12 edition has been rooted deodexed debloated and is still way slower than my 14 edition unrooted stock. I have to say either xda has been hijacked by apple fans or those early reviews really put a bunch of people with a very critical outlook. Anyway I'm enjoying it so that's all that matters to me....just my 37 dollars in change
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I think people may have been hypersensitive to lag after the first few main reviews seemed to focus on the lag in the My Magazine app and a few other samsung apps. I know I was looking for it right out of the box because of them. I don't see much at all and consider it a very fast tablet that will probably only get faster in time

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I think people may have been hypersensitive to lag after the first few main reviews seemed to focus on the lag in the My Magazine app and a few other samsung apps. I know I was looking for it right out of the box because of them. I don't see much at all and consider it a very fast tablet that will probably only get faster
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+1

OTA update may have also helped, it came out after reviews.

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OTA update may have also helped, it came out after reviews.
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Ah yes that too...forgot about that!

What I didn't like about all reviews that complained about the lag was that they had no videos of it like they normally do in reviews, so I called BS from thr start. It felt like everyone just wanted to bash Samsung because they weren't Apple.

the 2012 edition had lots of reviews with lag. i believe the verge caught hell because they wined about the lag but had battery saving turned on. the defended themselves and said the lag was still there after turning it off.
there is real lag in the device, especially in heavy graphic websites. but since this lag/stutter seems to be there in every android device i've had i'd say it's an android thing instead of device specific - i'm at 21 android tablets owned at one time or another. it's on phones too, even on the snapdragon s4 but phones are so small that the stutters and imperfections are reduced to the point they're not as noticeable.
one thing i noticed yesterday is that holding the tablet vertically (portrait) induced less lag in reading the desktop version of theoldreader than holding it landscape. i'm sure there was another tablet that was under fire for not using the gpu equally in vertical and horizontal orientation.
also, i'm still on the shipped rom as i haven't taken the update yet, so some of my issues may be fixed after the update.

It appears to be one app causing the lag and not the UI or anywhere else. Some of the reviews even point out it is probably a problem with the third party app. Some kind of photo album app?
As far as the device IMO:
1. Priced $50 too high for both verisons. Seems that should have been prices for a 32/64 gb model.
2. Why no 3.0 USB? This must be produced in a different place, else would have had same connector as the Note 3.
3. Should have had a a little bigger battery.
4. Even though no 3.0, NICE there is a standard usb rather than special connector- I hate those.
5. Too much bloat (as usual)
6. Why no HDMI out??
I was going to get the Asus 701, but I know it will have a special connector and apparently will be different than the 700 version. I will probably wait for the 32GB Samsung 2014 version to be at a lower price during some kind of sale, or whatever. My Nook HD+ will cover my Android needs for now. I also have an iPad 4 that covers commercial gaming. HD+ is for comics, video and emulators.

With the second update, Samsung has solved the problems of lag?

With the second update, Samsung has solved the problems of lag?
Samsung has released the second update for this tablet (Note 10.1 2014),
It is true that is fine as butter?
No more problems with lag?
Everything is as smooth as we would like?
The PDF with lots of data and photos
move perfect?
A greeting

The second update screwed up my SGN pretty bad. It black screens, apps won't update, wifi is spotty, web pages won't load, tablet won't unlock properly and when it does, it does to black screen. For this having such high specs, it runs slower than my N7 2012 on half the stuff. At least Apex works well so I don't have the lag but over all I wish I would have never bought this tablet. I wish I would have waited for the Dell Venue Pro 8. In fact with Nokia really producing some great phones and Windows 8.1 fixing most of the issues I had with Win8, this will probably be the last Android device I ever own. I have a Nokia 928 and it is heads above any Android phone I have ever owned from quality to speed to camera and now with the 1520 coming out (929 for Verizon) coupled with a real proc that can run full W8.1 in the new Atom, I can't see why I would accept so many compromises from Android anymore. While I love the stylus capability of my Note, I have major buyers remorse.

I have had the exact opposite experience of the person above. No problems at all. This tablet has been one of the best pieces of tech that I have bought in a while.

ajamudc said:
I have had the exact opposite experience of the person above. No problems at all. This tablet has been one of the best pieces of tech that I have bought in a while.
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Did you get the second update yet? It was about 9mb and I got it on mine about 4 or 5 days ago? I'm just wondering if I have a faulty model or if I just need to do reset (talk about a pain in the arse). Before this last update my tablet was awesome.

ajamudc said:
I have had the exact opposite experience of the person above. No problems at all. This tablet has been one of the best pieces of tech that I have bought in a while.
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TheBigSaxon said:
Did you get the second update yet? It was about 9mb and I got it on mine about 4 or 5 days ago? I'm just wondering if I have a faulty model or if I just need to do reset (talk about a pain in the arse). Before this last update my tablet was awesome.
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TheBigSaxon my friend, I see that your tablet works perfectly,
does not have the lag that everyone comments?
how about from this second update?
Read the friend ajamudc and do not want to buy this tablet
We await your response

i saw 0 difference in each update. i held on to the original firmware for a week before upgrading and no significant increase or decrease in performance.
rooting did nothing either, but i don't expect it to. it just allowed to to freeze crap and install some useful programs.

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i saw 0 difference in each update. i held on to the original firmware for a week before upgrading and no significant increase or decrease in performance.
rooting did nothing either, but i don't expect it to. it just allowed to to freeze crap and install some useful programs.
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Then you keep noticing delay?
You have lag?
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I have had the exact opposite experience of the person above. No problems at all.
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You have lag? nothing?

TheBigSaxon said:
Did you get the second update yet? It was about 9mb and I got it on mine about 4 or 5 days ago? I'm just wondering if I have a faulty model or if I just need to do reset (talk about a pain in the arse). Before this last update my tablet was awesome.
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Yeah, I took the second update and didn't have any issues. I would try a factory reset. Maybe you got a bad download? Maybe someone else can chime in, but I haven't seen anybody else describe the issues you are describing.

I don't know what the "out of the box" performance was like. I've only had mine a few days. When I first booted it up, it prompted me to update and I went ahead. It rebooted, then prompted me to update again, and again, I went ahead and updated. So, I never used it before either update for comparison sake. But, I will say that this is the best tablet I've ever used! Before this, I had a piece of crap ASUS Transformer Infinity which I hated because it was a piece of crap. Before that I had a Galaxy Tab 10.1 (the original) which I loved and wished I had back every time I touched the ASUS. So it may just be coming from the Transformer, but the Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) feels buttery smooth to me. I love it more and, even after only a couple days, I find myself using it for much more than I ever used either of my previous tablets for.

I echo HeathicusF's experience. I never ran the Galaxy without the two updates as they downloaded as soon as I turned on the tablet. I also upgraded from the Transformer TF700 and while I didn't have the same negative feelings about the ASUS, the Galaxy is far and away superior. No lag at all, a beautiful screen and the multi window make this the best tablet I've owned or seen. I would recommend it to anyone.

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I echo HeathicusF's experience. I never ran the Galaxy without the two updates as they downloaded as soon as I turned on the tablet. I also upgraded from the Transformer TF700 and while I didn't have the same negative feelings about the ASUS, the Galaxy is far and away superior. No lag at all, a beautiful screen and the multi window make this the best tablet I've owned or seen. I would recommend it to anyone.
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This is where I feel that perception of lag is relative. I get choppiness when I pull down the notification bar often and when I hit the home button it will take a half second to go to the home screen and the fade out transition animation will be really laggy. I have a hard time believing that other people aren't getting this too, maybe they just don't notice it the same as others do.
It's just odd that there will be a thread on lag and someone will say theirs is perfect with no lag ever and others will say its terrible. I am guessing all units are the same (with the exception of a faulty one) but it's just everyone's own critical eye that is the difference. I am overall pretty happy with it, a little extra fluidity would be great though...

I'm experiencing no lag, except for the wake button taking about 2 to 3 seconds to have any effect.
The only thing I am perplexed about is that when I exit out of an app, the homescreen wallpaper is screwy. It shifts and there are black bars on either side before it settles down into the regular wallpaper look. Very annoying.
And whenever I exit out of LectureNotes, for some reason, the wallpaper is completely gone. Just black space.

I'm not sure if I'm just not as picky as others but after the 1st and 2nd update this thing is pretty fast to me. The only thing I do see that others have mentioned is that sometimes it may take a second or two to wake from lock. But I now have a case with the wake upon opening the cover thing so it's ready to go by the time I have the cover flipped to the back. No biggie

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This is where I feel that perception of lag is relative. I get choppiness when I pull down the notification bar often and when I hit the home button it will take a half second to go to the home screen and the fade out transition animation will be really laggy. I have a hard time believing that other people aren't getting this too, maybe they just don't notice it the same as others do.
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it's all about how you use it. i used to use feedly as my rss reader but switched back to the old reader since i prefer using a tabbed browser vs an app (i know i can use feedly's full web, but i've gotten to like the old reader). on ff, i get minor stuttering as it marks articles read, on chrome it's bad tot he point that i give up. if i turn it portrait the lag goes away. in neither orientation is it as smooth as my gn8, gn2, or s4 and this is supposed to be a more powerful product (granted it does have more pixels to push).
on "normal" webistes, it's just as good as my other tablets/phones though.

@Han Solo 1: You are hiding the system bar in LectureNotes, aren't you? That a static wallpaper gets reset is a known issue when hiding the system bar in newer Android versions. To my knowledge, there is no fix. Curiously, the wallpaper recovers if you reboot, and a live wallpaper is not affected.

it seems there are different opinions
there who is going perfectly and without lag
and others who do very bad and many lag
I'm about to buy
(I once had the Note 10.1.'s have sold)
I do not know if the Nexus wait 10

I'm not experiencing any lag after the two updates. Notification bar is fine even if I choose to open and close it endlessly for whatever reason. I think some you guys should hard reset, or stop installing garbage apps I dunno. I just don't believe in all these lag posts, sorry.

Itchiee said:
I'm not experiencing any lag after the two updates. Notification bar is fine even if I choose to open and close it endlessly for whatever reason. I think some you guys should hard reset, or stop installing garbage apps I dunno. I just don't believe in all these lag posts, sorry.
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I don't believe it either. Everything single-window is super smooth for me. Now if I multitask with lecture notes and ezpdf there is some lag which is kind of annoying but about the same as it was on my old note 10.1. Still waiting for someone to rom this thing down the road. Might root soon instead just to get rid of all the worthless samsung bloat.

Yeah it is bloated via Samsung for sure. I've watched hd movies while surfing, I've been gaming the latest being Dead Trigger 2 and it's been great. I want to root to remove some bloat and hope someone gets the old multi window hack to add all programs. I cannot recommend this tablet enough....

I got to test a 16GB white version for 45 "whole" minutes. Must admit I noticed lag with the UI, but none when using apps. The lag went away when using Nova. Besides some UI lag, the tablet is faster than the Tegra 4's tested. Easily the fastest for game emulators. The UI is IMO the issue here. Should be stock Android, IMO.
I want one of these, but would get the 32gb version, so $636 counting tax. Boo! I like my Nook HD+ 32GB, but this is WAY better. Just not $450 better (cost difference between the two).
This makes my iPad 4 less appealing now, since even faster for apps and same display love. If I could have only one tablet though, it would now be the Sammy 2014.

1 week in... And I'm losing faith. Fast. - Updated.

9 Days ago, I made the decision to switch networks due to Sprint's inability to handle MMS, data, signal, calls, or anything else. I walked into a T-Mobile store, and after a brief credit check, I was told I can choose any phone I'd like. My original intent was to hang onto my Nexus 5, which I absolutely loved, but I was told I was required to get a new phone. I wasn't exactly upset knowing I'd be getting a new phone, so I walked over to the displays and struggled for over 20 minutes trying to decide which phone to get. I eventually whittled my choices down to two phones. The LG G3 and the HTC One M9. After a bit of research and test driving, I chose the HTC One M9.
It is a seriously nice phone. The materials used to craft this baby are top notch, and definitely give the impression of quality. I very much like the way it looks and sounds, and even though it could be unwieldy to hold (slippery), I got around that issue by slapping a nice Spigen case on it. HTC's Uh Oh protection is a nice touch and the specifications are equally as impressive, which helped sell this phone to me. The thought of a 64-bit 8-core CPU was exciting.
It's my first flagship phone; everything should be impressive. And yet, I'm kind of not impressed. My two main complaints about this phone are the button placement (I think having the power button and volume buttons on the same side of the phone and right next to each other is kind of silly, then again, my N5 wasn't like that, so I could just be used to that layout. ) and the performance. Yes, you heard me, the performance. I don't even care about the joke of a camera this thing has, it's really the performance of the cutting-edge octacore CPU that they slapped in this thing that really frustrates me. Out of the box, this phone comes underclocked due to overheating issues. That, to me, is downright laughable. Did anyone at HTC test this phone? A flagship device whose performance is throttled from the moment you turn it on. That's like buying a Corvette straight from the dealer, starting up the car and finding out that Chevy disabled two of the cylinders in the engine to ensure it didn't overheat. It's not just the thought of this that bugs me, the performance of the phone is actually terrible at times. My Nexus 5, given it was running a 5.1.1 ROM, was butter smooth in all but the most complicated of situations. This phone, however, limited to a paltry 1.5GHz and another cluster that is slow to wake up and help out, struggles with some truly mundane tasks. For example, swiping to my Google Now Cards is laggy, loading Google Messenger is choppy and slow. Scrolling, in general, is almost never smooth. I've tried different ROMs, Kernels, and governors but can never really find a nice balance between performance and battery life. The CPU is ALWAYS up to something too. Even when the screen is off. My Nexus 5 would achieve, regularly, about 70-75% Deep Sleep throughout the course of a day. It sipped battery. This phone achieves, on a normal day, about 60-65%. Thankfully it has a larger battery than the N5, otherwise I seriously doubt it'd last as long.
Overall it's been bittersweet experience. I really like this phone, I want to love it, but I can't. I realize that this device is still in its infancy and HTC can roll out updates to hopefully iron out some of these problems. I also realize that the community for this phone is also in its infancy, and that down the road, there may be terrific alternatives to Sense 7 and the Stock Kernel. But I have 5 days left, and the idea of swapping this phone out for something better is slowly starting to grow on me. I've been toying with the idea of getting an Xperia Z3 or LG G3 instead. It'll cost me $50 to swap the M9 out for a different phone. On the other hand, my mind is telling me to be patient and that it'll work out in time with this phone. So I turn to you. Anyone else share the same frustrations with me? What do you think I should do? Should I wait or should I swap this baby out for something else?
UPDATE June 8th 2015:
I went to the T-Mobile store the day after posting this. I researched and thought long and hard about the decision I had to make. After a while I came to the conclusion that I would be paying $50 (Restocking fee) to essentially downgrade to another device. In fact, the only other flagship device that even appeals to me at this point is the LG G4, which seems to be getting along as well as the S6 and One M9 have been (from what I've read). Thanks to recommendations from others in the community, I made some changes that have greatly improved my experience with this device. I'm still not a huge fan of Sense 7 nor am I astonished by the Camera's performance, but a new launcher restored much of the stock Android feel and an upcoming firmware update promises to improve the camera. Performance while multitasking is fantastic and while there are a few hiccups here and there, I can't say my experience is any worse than what it was with my Nexus 5. The Battery life, a common complaint from others about this phone, is fantastic in my eyes. It's nice to sometimes forget about charging my phone at night, waking up the next morning and still having enough juice to get me into the afternoon.
Overall, I've only recently concluded that I did not give this device a fair chance for as long as I should've. Coming from my Nexus 5, the change was a bit of a shock. I suppose that played into my initial disappointment. I'm actually starting to fall in love with this phone. Compliments and exclamations of wonder and impact are common from others that I let check out my phone, even from die-hard iPhone fans, which is always nice. I figured that I should update this thread because I see the conversation still continues. No phone is without its flaws, my beloved N5 was hardly without its own. Many "flaws" are a matter of perspective. I'm confident I've made the right choice with this device, and I look forward to the bright future that lies in store for it (please God, give me an AOSP ROM).

ps. The 1.5 clock only applies to the A53 cores. I'm sure people more technically inclined and chime in and confirm this.
I've had nothing but smooth operation on this phone. I am on Leedroid at the moment, but was on international stock rom before and was just as smooth.
I'd be looking as to why you are experiencing the performance issues, and if you're not happy, I'm sure the consumer protection laws in the US allow you to return it for something else?
Best of luck

You are in the 14 day window go an return it

Go get your nexus 5 back or talk to someone who isn't trying to hose you into buying a new phone.
https://support.t-mobile.com/message/389200
Granted I don't know if the specs on your phone didn't match up to what was described in this link, Or if you had it leased.

Alcolawl said:
My Nexus 5, given it was running a 5.1.1 ROM, was butter smooth in all but the most complicated of situations. This phone, however, limited to a paltry 1.5GHz and another cluster that is slow to wake up and help out, struggles with some truly mundane tasks. For example, swiping to my Google Now Cards is laggy, loading Google Messenger is choppy and slow. Scrolling, in general, is almost never smooth. I've tried different ROMs, Kernels, and governors but can never really find a nice balance between performance and battery life. The CPU is ALWAYS up to something too. Even when the screen is off. My Nexus 5 would achieve, regularly, about 70-75% Deep Sleep throughout the course of a day. It sipped battery. This phone achieves, on a normal day, about 60-65%. Thankfully it has a larger battery than the N5, otherwise I seriously doubt it'd last as long.
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Yeah, I've noticed the lag when swiping to the goole now screen. I'm confident that performance will be better when they give us 5.1, which by then they'll have figured out how to best optimize S810. Best to test out your options, you might even want to consider the M8 which has GPE 5.1 ROMS ready for it. That phone performs and has excellent battery life.

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Yeah, I've noticed the lag when swiping to the goole now screen. I'm confident that performance will be better when they give us 5.1, which by then they'll have figured out how to best optimize S810. Best to test out your options, you might even want to consider the M8 which has GPE 5.1 ROMS ready for it. That phone performs and has excellent battery life.
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Have you installed the xposed fix memory leak apk? That may help with lag on 5.0.x

BUBBA DUB'S said:
Have you installed the xposed fix memory leak apk? That may help with lag on 5.0.x
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Yeah I have (doesn't it only fix that off screen animation bug?). The lag when scrolling to the google now screen affects my M8 as well if I recall correctly.

Cryosx said:
Yeah I have (doesn't it only fix that off screen animation bug?). The lag when scrolling to the google now screen affects my M8 as well if I recall correctly.
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I thought it reduced the over all RAM usage from the system over a prolonged period of time. I thought that might affect lag overall on the phone, but I could be mistaken. I haven't experienced any lag on my device yet so I was just throwing out ideas.

Have you tried rooting and putting leedroid on it. It's a beast. No lag. No stutter. Smooth

I never experienced any lags except when gaming during charging the battery with a speed charger.
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BUBBA DUB'S said:
I thought it reduced the over all RAM usage from the system over a prolonged period of time. I thought that might affect lag overall on the phone, but I could be mistaken. I haven't experienced any lag on my device yet so I was just throwing out ideas.
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Same, lag isn't a problem except for when using google now launcher and swiping to the left for the google now screen. It's minor, but annoying nonetheless. For the OP who was used to the Nexus 5's smoothness it's probably extremely noticeable.

Cryosx said:
Same, lag isn't a problem except for when using google now launcher and swiping to the left for the google now screen. It's minor, but annoying nonetheless. For the OP who was used to the Nexus 5's smoothness it's probably extremely noticeable.
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True, I actually got rid of google now because it was annoying me every time my phone slipped out of my hand and started it. I still am hopeful knowing the m9 should get multiple updates in the future and run 5.1.

dondavis007 said:
I never experienced any lags except when gaming during charging the battery with a speed charger.
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why would you game while charging the s810 is power hungry i would be careful not killing my battery this way

reubenskelly1992 said:
Have you tried rooting and putting leedroid on it. It's a beast. No lag. No stutter. Smooth
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Wont make a difference, its the phone to blame to for now. I got 2 devices both same problems at times and tried everything for it, the roms run fine but battery life still bad and weird charging problems for me

v1rk said:
Wont make a difference, its the phone to blame to for now. I got 2 devices both same problems at times and tried everything for it, the roms run fine but battery life still bad and weird charging problems for me
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Weird

hamdir said:
why would you game while charging the s810 is power hungry i would be careful not killing my battery this way
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Because I only gaming before going to bed. Look at my sig and guess if I keep it long enough to notice
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dondavis007 said:
Because I only gaming before going to bed. Look at my sig and guess if I keep it long enough to notice
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still you are brute forcing the M9 into throttling its GPU this way and about the best thing on the M9 is actually gaming speed thanks to it's very powerful GPU

Coming from a M8, at first i was a little frustrated for the overheating and the camera of the M9. But then, neither the m7 or m8 were great cameras.
I read a lot of reviews and even started thinking of selling the M9 but swap for what? S6 ? God no, please, no more touchwiz. Lg,i had the lg3 and it was L(a)G and slow, much slower than the M8 (i know, different screen's resolution). So, in the end, i prefer keep the M9, the camera improve a lot with the update, and many more updates will come.
Then, there is sense 7, sense is one of my favourites android skins. Light, smart and very, very fast. I absolutely have no lag in M9 (all stock). And i use a lot blinkfeed, i missed it in any non Htc phone. And there is the boomsound, the touch to awake screen...

When you say you have lag with Google Now cards, I'm assuming you are using the Google Launcher. I have noticed some lag here and there with the Google launcher, but the stock Sense launcher performs admirably. It's quick and never seems to drop frames when gaming either. How did you leave the phone stock before you started flashing different ROMs to it? I think that may actually be the issue. Every review of the M9 has stated that the phone is smooth and HTC's software is better than ever. Messing with the software may be what's causing the poor experience.

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why would you game while charging the s810 is power hungry i would be careful not killing my battery this way
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I occassionally play a round of Boom Beach, Clash of Clans or Limbo while the phone is on the charger. Can you elaborate a bit on how this could "kill the battery"? Is it related to charging while the GPU is cranking up the thermals?
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When you say you have lag with Google Now cards, I'm assuming you are using the Google Launcher. I have noticed some lag here and there with the Google launcher, but the stock Sense launcher performs admirably. It's quick and never seems to drop frames when gaming either. How did you leave the phone stock before you started flashing different ROMs to it? I think that may actually be the issue. Every review of the M9 has stated that the phone is smooth and HTC's software is better than ever. Messing with the software may be what's causing the poor experience.
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I'm using the stock Sense launcher and my phone is buttery smooth. While I don't use the Google Now Launcher, Google Now performs great on this phone.
All of the games that I play are also super smooth. Granted, I don't play games that demand a high frame rate, but those games that I do play are far smoother on this phone than my old M7.
The one issue I had with the phone was what seemed like spotty issues with wifi. I did a cache partition wipe yesterday and it seems to have helped the issue.