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With the second update, Samsung has solved the problems of lag?
Samsung has released the second update for this tablet (Note 10.1 2014),
It is true that is fine as butter?
No more problems with lag?
Everything is as smooth as we would like?
The PDF with lots of data and photos
move perfect?
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The second update screwed up my SGN pretty bad. It black screens, apps won't update, wifi is spotty, web pages won't load, tablet won't unlock properly and when it does, it does to black screen. For this having such high specs, it runs slower than my N7 2012 on half the stuff. At least Apex works well so I don't have the lag but over all I wish I would have never bought this tablet. I wish I would have waited for the Dell Venue Pro 8. In fact with Nokia really producing some great phones and Windows 8.1 fixing most of the issues I had with Win8, this will probably be the last Android device I ever own. I have a Nokia 928 and it is heads above any Android phone I have ever owned from quality to speed to camera and now with the 1520 coming out (929 for Verizon) coupled with a real proc that can run full W8.1 in the new Atom, I can't see why I would accept so many compromises from Android anymore. While I love the stylus capability of my Note, I have major buyers remorse.
I have had the exact opposite experience of the person above. No problems at all. This tablet has been one of the best pieces of tech that I have bought in a while.
ajamudc said:
I have had the exact opposite experience of the person above. No problems at all. This tablet has been one of the best pieces of tech that I have bought in a while.
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Did you get the second update yet? It was about 9mb and I got it on mine about 4 or 5 days ago? I'm just wondering if I have a faulty model or if I just need to do reset (talk about a pain in the arse). Before this last update my tablet was awesome.
ajamudc said:
I have had the exact opposite experience of the person above. No problems at all. This tablet has been one of the best pieces of tech that I have bought in a while.
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TheBigSaxon said:
Did you get the second update yet? It was about 9mb and I got it on mine about 4 or 5 days ago? I'm just wondering if I have a faulty model or if I just need to do reset (talk about a pain in the arse). Before this last update my tablet was awesome.
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TheBigSaxon my friend, I see that your tablet works perfectly,
does not have the lag that everyone comments?
how about from this second update?
Read the friend ajamudc and do not want to buy this tablet
We await your response
i saw 0 difference in each update. i held on to the original firmware for a week before upgrading and no significant increase or decrease in performance.
rooting did nothing either, but i don't expect it to. it just allowed to to freeze crap and install some useful programs.
madsquabbles said:
i saw 0 difference in each update. i held on to the original firmware for a week before upgrading and no significant increase or decrease in performance.
rooting did nothing either, but i don't expect it to. it just allowed to to freeze crap and install some useful programs.
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Then you keep noticing delay?
You have lag?
ajamudc said:
I have had the exact opposite experience of the person above. No problems at all.
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You have lag? nothing?
TheBigSaxon said:
Did you get the second update yet? It was about 9mb and I got it on mine about 4 or 5 days ago? I'm just wondering if I have a faulty model or if I just need to do reset (talk about a pain in the arse). Before this last update my tablet was awesome.
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Yeah, I took the second update and didn't have any issues. I would try a factory reset. Maybe you got a bad download? Maybe someone else can chime in, but I haven't seen anybody else describe the issues you are describing.
I don't know what the "out of the box" performance was like. I've only had mine a few days. When I first booted it up, it prompted me to update and I went ahead. It rebooted, then prompted me to update again, and again, I went ahead and updated. So, I never used it before either update for comparison sake. But, I will say that this is the best tablet I've ever used! Before this, I had a piece of crap ASUS Transformer Infinity which I hated because it was a piece of crap. Before that I had a Galaxy Tab 10.1 (the original) which I loved and wished I had back every time I touched the ASUS. So it may just be coming from the Transformer, but the Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) feels buttery smooth to me. I love it more and, even after only a couple days, I find myself using it for much more than I ever used either of my previous tablets for.
I echo HeathicusF's experience. I never ran the Galaxy without the two updates as they downloaded as soon as I turned on the tablet. I also upgraded from the Transformer TF700 and while I didn't have the same negative feelings about the ASUS, the Galaxy is far and away superior. No lag at all, a beautiful screen and the multi window make this the best tablet I've owned or seen. I would recommend it to anyone.
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I echo HeathicusF's experience. I never ran the Galaxy without the two updates as they downloaded as soon as I turned on the tablet. I also upgraded from the Transformer TF700 and while I didn't have the same negative feelings about the ASUS, the Galaxy is far and away superior. No lag at all, a beautiful screen and the multi window make this the best tablet I've owned or seen. I would recommend it to anyone.
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This is where I feel that perception of lag is relative. I get choppiness when I pull down the notification bar often and when I hit the home button it will take a half second to go to the home screen and the fade out transition animation will be really laggy. I have a hard time believing that other people aren't getting this too, maybe they just don't notice it the same as others do.
It's just odd that there will be a thread on lag and someone will say theirs is perfect with no lag ever and others will say its terrible. I am guessing all units are the same (with the exception of a faulty one) but it's just everyone's own critical eye that is the difference. I am overall pretty happy with it, a little extra fluidity would be great though...
I'm experiencing no lag, except for the wake button taking about 2 to 3 seconds to have any effect.
The only thing I am perplexed about is that when I exit out of an app, the homescreen wallpaper is screwy. It shifts and there are black bars on either side before it settles down into the regular wallpaper look. Very annoying.
And whenever I exit out of LectureNotes, for some reason, the wallpaper is completely gone. Just black space.
I'm not sure if I'm just not as picky as others but after the 1st and 2nd update this thing is pretty fast to me. The only thing I do see that others have mentioned is that sometimes it may take a second or two to wake from lock. But I now have a case with the wake upon opening the cover thing so it's ready to go by the time I have the cover flipped to the back. No biggie
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This is where I feel that perception of lag is relative. I get choppiness when I pull down the notification bar often and when I hit the home button it will take a half second to go to the home screen and the fade out transition animation will be really laggy. I have a hard time believing that other people aren't getting this too, maybe they just don't notice it the same as others do.
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it's all about how you use it. i used to use feedly as my rss reader but switched back to the old reader since i prefer using a tabbed browser vs an app (i know i can use feedly's full web, but i've gotten to like the old reader). on ff, i get minor stuttering as it marks articles read, on chrome it's bad tot he point that i give up. if i turn it portrait the lag goes away. in neither orientation is it as smooth as my gn8, gn2, or s4 and this is supposed to be a more powerful product (granted it does have more pixels to push).
on "normal" webistes, it's just as good as my other tablets/phones though.
@Han Solo 1: You are hiding the system bar in LectureNotes, aren't you? That a static wallpaper gets reset is a known issue when hiding the system bar in newer Android versions. To my knowledge, there is no fix. Curiously, the wallpaper recovers if you reboot, and a live wallpaper is not affected.
it seems there are different opinions
there who is going perfectly and without lag
and others who do very bad and many lag
I'm about to buy
(I once had the Note 10.1.'s have sold)
I do not know if the Nexus wait 10
I'm not experiencing any lag after the two updates. Notification bar is fine even if I choose to open and close it endlessly for whatever reason. I think some you guys should hard reset, or stop installing garbage apps I dunno. I just don't believe in all these lag posts, sorry.
Itchiee said:
I'm not experiencing any lag after the two updates. Notification bar is fine even if I choose to open and close it endlessly for whatever reason. I think some you guys should hard reset, or stop installing garbage apps I dunno. I just don't believe in all these lag posts, sorry.
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I don't believe it either. Everything single-window is super smooth for me. Now if I multitask with lecture notes and ezpdf there is some lag which is kind of annoying but about the same as it was on my old note 10.1. Still waiting for someone to rom this thing down the road. Might root soon instead just to get rid of all the worthless samsung bloat.
Yeah it is bloated via Samsung for sure. I've watched hd movies while surfing, I've been gaming the latest being Dead Trigger 2 and it's been great. I want to root to remove some bloat and hope someone gets the old multi window hack to add all programs. I cannot recommend this tablet enough....
I got to test a 16GB white version for 45 "whole" minutes. Must admit I noticed lag with the UI, but none when using apps. The lag went away when using Nova. Besides some UI lag, the tablet is faster than the Tegra 4's tested. Easily the fastest for game emulators. The UI is IMO the issue here. Should be stock Android, IMO.
I want one of these, but would get the 32gb version, so $636 counting tax. Boo! I like my Nook HD+ 32GB, but this is WAY better. Just not $450 better (cost difference between the two).
This makes my iPad 4 less appealing now, since even faster for apps and same display love. If I could have only one tablet though, it would now be the Sammy 2014.
Hey guys...im thinking its time to get a tablet. My choices are between the above 2. Now i know what each can do and what each cant do and who is better at doing it. Im leading towards the Sammy. But im worried about lag...i hate it and feel in todays world with techkno there shouldnt be any. I have the gs4 and its a great phone but its lag makes me wish i went with the htc one. Ive never had an apple product always strictly google. I do NOT root so im not looking for an answer as to JUST ROOT IT. Is there enough lag to make one shy towards the ipad air?
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I mean, sometimes you can feel a little bit of lag but it's not annoying. By far the android tablet with less lag. If you think a little bit of lag can annoy you, go iPad.
That being said, you don't need to be root to disable the bloatware and boost your tablet.
skillzo1 said:
But im worried about lag...i hate it and feel in todays world with techkno there shouldnt be any. I have the gs4 and its a great phone but its lag makes me wish i went with the htc one.
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If the SGS4's performance bothered you the N10.1-14's will too. The N10.1-14 has a faster and more powerful CPU/GPU and an additional 1GB of RAM but all the additional Note-series features consume a ton of resources; even in the background with open threads in anticipation of being called. My N10.1-14 is not as fluid as my N3 running the exact same apps, syncs, and configuration. The N10.1-14 has a 10.1" display pushing 299 PPI while my N3 has a 5.7" display pushing 388 PPI. That's a hell of a lot of additional load for the N10.1-14 to carry using the same h/w as the N3.
Now i know what each can do and what each cant do and who is better at doing it.
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Then you know the main reason (outside the app and content freedom of Android) to get the N10.1-14 over an iPad is its unique productivity and creation tools a lot of which are centered around S Pen. If those things matter the occasional millisecond of transition lag won't bother you. If you're all about consumption buy the iPad. I still recommend it to my non-Geek friends who could care less about productivity or freedom and are more interested in getting content spoon fed to them, checking Facebook, and sending e-mail.
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If the SGS4's performance bothered you the N10.1-14's will too. The N10.1-14 has a faster and more powerful CPU/GPU and an additional 1GB of RAM but all the additional Note-series features consume a ton of resources; even in the background with open threads in anticipation of being called. My N10.1-14 is not as fluid as my N3 running the exact same apps, syncs, and configuration. The N10.1-14 has a 10.1" display pushing 299 PPI while my N3 has a 5.7" display pushing 388 PPI. That's a hell of a lot of additional load for the N10.1-14 to carry using the same h/w as the N3.
Then you know the main reason (outside the app and content freedom of Android) to get the N10.1-14 over an iPad is its unique productivity and creation tools a lot of which are centered around S Pen. If those things matter the occasional millisecond of transition lag won't bother you. If you're all about consumption buy the iPad. I still recommend it to my non-Geek friends who could care less about productivity or freedom and are more interested in getting content spoon fed to them, checking Facebook, and sending e-mail.
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I def like the freedom of android and the S pen features. Love the screen display and multiwindow. I just dont know with the lag. It just irks me. I hit an app...i dont want to wait for it to open...i dont want it to be all glichey. It shouldnt happen...not with these specs. I look at apple and just appreciate how smooth it is but then the SGN just has more overall. Even though i will never use most of them like smart stay and stuff and i turn most things off it still will lag like my gs4. I also have my animations off and yes it still lags...it is such a turn off. Like a super model with jacked up feet.
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I def like the freedom of android and the S pen features. Love the screen display and multiwindow. I just dont know with the lag. It just irks me. I hit an app...i dont want to wait for it to open...i dont want it to be all glichey. It shouldnt happen...not with these specs. I look at apple and just appreciate how smooth it is but then the SGN just has more overall. Even though i will never use most of them like smart stay and stuff and i turn most things off it still will lag like my gs4. I also have my animations off and yes it still lags...it is such a turn off. Like a super model with jacked up feet.
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You're asking the wrong forums if you want an unbiased opinion. But In my experience, I've had the GS4 and GN 10.1 2014 and neither of them lag for me. The only place where there may be slight lag is the home screen and you could always just change the launcher to nova or something else. My GN10.1 is not rooted and has little to no lag unless theres a poorly programmed app or if its installing an app in the background. But iOS also has its share of poor apps but the iOS system is better at hiding glitches from users and closes the apps rather than giving you a force close popup.
A search would have produced what you needed. The Sammy does sometimes lag. Get an iPad.
Steve
You can always buy both and return the one you like the less.
swaggerjacker said:
A search would have produced what you needed. The Sammy does sometimes lag. Get an iPad.
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Mine never lags
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Why not just read the Pro's and Con's thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2482756
I have both SGN 10.1 2014 and an iPad. I actually think that the iPad has lag with iOS7, due to the transition animations (noting they effect all applications). The only issue that I have with the SGN 10. 2014 is the wake up responsiveness - sometimes immediate, other times (from deep sleep) can be 1-2 seconds. Note that I don't use TouchWiz, and have used both Nova and Action Luancher.
My suggestion is that lag isn't the differentiator in your decision.
Thanks for the replies everyone. This is what im looking for. I have read other threads and watched many videos on both. Im going to have to play with both. Maybe buy both like someone mentioned and return the one i least like. But i dont wanna get hit with a restocking fee.
Amazon is the way to go. No restocking fee.
I have the GN 10.1 2014 and my wife has the ipad air. I don't notice much difference in lag but the ipad is definitely much smoother. I think you won't go wrong either way but if a stutter free experience is really important to you, you might be more comfortable with the ipad, especially if the GS4 seems laggy to you.
skillzo1 said:
Hey guys...im thinking its time to get a tablet. My choices are between the above 2. Now i know what each can do and what each cant do and who is better at doing it. Im leading towards the Sammy. But im worried about lag...i hate it and feel in todays world with techkno there shouldnt be any. I have the gs4 and its a great phone but its lag makes me wish i went with the htc one. Ive never had an apple product always strictly google. I do NOT root so im not looking for an answer as to JUST ROOT IT. Is there enough lag to make one shy towards the ipad air?
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Both tablets are great. Note has the S-pen, while IPad may be more sleek. Again, as I always say, Android is far more customizable than IOS, but if u like the simplicity, go for IPad. Good luck!
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well I'm replying on the 10.1 2014 right now I decided to go ahead and give it a chance. I have to January 15th to bring it back to Best Buy no restocking fee. So far i notice a little lag but im loving customizing it...and the screen is just gorgous.
Good choice! Root, tarp and clean room if you keep it
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I had the same problem few days ago, I finally decided to sell my new GN 10.1 and go for the older GN 8.0 which has the best of the two worlds, Openness and s pen of the GN 10.1 and smoothness and lightness of iPad air, all for half the price .. yeah
I have both the 10.1 '14 and the Air. I prefer the note because of the android ecosystem, and we kept the Air for my wife. She absolutely loves it.
you can't beat the Air for build quality and smoothness, but the 10.1 is much more usable to me.
I say buy both.
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I had the same problem few days ago, I finally decided to sell my new GN 10.1 and go for the older GN 8.0 which has the best of the two worlds, Openness and s pen of the GN 10.1 and smoothness and lightness of iPad air, all for half the price .. yeah
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And a PPI of 189 which is 37% less than the N10.1-14. The display on the N10.1-14 is its biggest selling point. For people who can live without S Pen the LG G Pad 8.3 has 273 PPI, a larger display than the Note 8, costs less, and even comes in a GPe version for the lag freaks.
I own both, and it all boils down to user preference really. They Note is a great tablet that allows for tons of customization. Yes, stock it has lag. The iPad Air is a great tablet as well though, if you just want to turn it on and use it.
Spend some time using both and you will quickly come to a decision.
Well I picked up a Note 12.2 (black/32GB) Friday and well have some mixed feelings considering the cost.
1. Need to root for more multiwindow apps
2. Chrome performance is still lacking - Googles fault, not Samsung's but figured raw performance would address it.
3. Really hate the physical home button and cap buttons more then I even thought I would. Why Samsung thinks this is a good idea beats me!
4. Really don't like that everything is scaled up in size for the larger screen. I realize it's the same resolution as my Nexus 10 but a DPI setting would have addressed this. Just makes it feel cheap and like it's for old people or kids. Need to root to change DPI...
5. Seems Samsung took big step backwards on some S Pen apps. The demos I watch for the previous Note devices work much better and more streamlined then on the Note 12.2. Really not sold on the S Pen and think mine is going back for a Tab Pro 12.2 if it's released soon otherwise maybe just a outright return.
6. Seems really stupid they hide the menu button under the multitask button (long press). I know many apps have a menu button but for those that do not this could really throw off a person who is not resourceful. This is the kind of crap that backs up the idea that an iPad is easier to use.
7. Definitely some random lag. Why does Samsung need to over bloat everything. stock Android fits in like 300MB and TW Android is like 8GB!
8. Very limited development activity!
I probably have more to say just not coming to mind yet. If I keep it I simply have to root in order to address the DPI and multi-window apps. It's an expensive device to give up warranty on... Only on day 3, we'll see how the next few go...
Totally understandable. Takes a bit of contemplation when the price is this high before deciding to root.
Having owned a Galaxy Tab 10.1 in the past, I knew going in though that there was no way i'd be satisfied with out of the box Touchwiz. I also knew that I wanted certain applications like Titanium Backup so I basically knew I was going to root from the moment I handed over my credit card to the cashier.
Good luck on your decision.
Thanks for the review it's a shame Samsung screwed this up. Had huge potential. Their latest products are not very impressive. I think you just made my mind to get the new Sony z2 tablet.
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sabre31 said:
Thanks for the review it's a shame Samsung screwed this up. Had huge potential. Their latest products are not very impressive. I think you just made my mind to get the new Sony z2 tablet.
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Its not bad at all. .. Just a lot of money for something that is not near perfect. I thought about a Z2 buy really wanted a 12 inch tablet. Root will address mammy issues and Google improving Chrome performance will do a lot. I'm pretty sure I'm taking the note 12.2 back and getting a tab pro 12.2 as $100 is to much for the s pen unless you are going use it a lot. .
I feel the same about the bloat. Really, my only problem with the tablet was TouchWiz. I plan to root within the next few days (as long as I'm still enjoying the tablet). I, for one, ONLY got this for drawing and writing.
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This thread reminded me that I had bought button savior for another android device that I had so thanks for that. Currently using button savior with root and liking it. Nice to have home, back and menu buttons within reach now.
Well after using my Note Pro 12.2 for week+ then trying my Nexus 10 again you really see how much better this tablet is. Decided to keep it, hopefully I'll find some value out of the S Pen. Just rooted it today so it's getting even better as I apply some tweaks (DPI, Chrome user agent, freezing apps, enable more multiwindow apps).
Had one for a few days...
Really nice screen size, like the larger fonts/UI as they are, easier to read and use compared to an iPad.
Disappointed in poor gallery performance showing 2560+ wide png images very slow render times.
Lag is still seen browsing the Web, eBay seems to bog it down . 8 cores and 3GB ram... Why?
PDF reading with EbookDroid improved but still short of Goodreader on the ipad.
Preferred the older gen of a snote, f (x) input / wolfram now gone.
Price given the issues above seems too high.
Too big
So I have had the Note 12.2 for a couple of days and all I can say that it is too big for me as a daily tablet. I will give it few more days of use and than decide if I'm going to keep it or not.
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Well I picked up a Note 12.2 (black/32GB) Friday and well have some mixed feelings considering the cost.
1. Need to root for more multiwindow apps
2. Chrome performance is still lacking - Googles fault, not Samsung's but figured raw performance would address it.
3. Really hate the physical home button and cap buttons more then I even thought I would. Why Samsung thinks this is a good idea beats me!
4. Really don't like that everything is scaled up in size for the larger screen. I realize it's the same resolution as my Nexus 10 but a DPI setting would have addressed this. Just makes it feel cheap and like it's for old people or kids. Need to root to change DPI...
5. Seems Samsung took big step backwards on some S Pen apps. The demos I watch for the previous Note devices work much better and more streamlined then on the Note 12.2. Really not sold on the S Pen and think mine is going back for a Tab Pro 12.2 if it's released soon otherwise maybe just a outright return.
6. Seems really stupid they hide the menu button under the multitask button (long press). I know many apps have a menu button but for those that do not this could really throw off a person who is not resourceful. This is the kind of crap that backs up the idea that an iPad is easier to use.
7. Definitely some random lag. Why does Samsung need to over bloat everything. stock Android fits in like 300MB and TW Android is like 8GB!
8. Very limited development activity!
I probably have more to say just not coming to mind yet. If I keep it I simply have to root in order to address the DPI and multi-window apps. It's an expensive device to give up warranty on... Only on day 3, we'll see how the next few go...
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1. No you don't there is an app for that.
2. Chrome sucks on anything. It literally is the worst. Dolphin and others can sync with desktop chrome and dolphin supports flash. You lost all credibility the moment you complained about chrome.
3. Samsung intends for it to be used mostly in portrait they are nice when used with a keyboard. But its ok to dislike it
4 . It's a bigger screen of course they made things bigger. It makes sense. If you want a smaller launcher use a different launcher. Or just root and adjust your dpi. Buy a third party protection plan like square trade and you dont have to worry about your warranty.
5. The spen apps have gotten better. Look around the forums. Many people had the old 10.1 and upon switching hated the new ones but have come to prefer the new apps. And if you "arent sold on the spen" why the #*@% did you pay extra for it?
6. Google has been pushing to get rid of the menu button. Samsung and some chinese oems are the only ones that still have it and samsung is the ONLY one that gives you the apps button and menu button. All apps should have an overflow in kitkat and samsung gives you this. 2 ways to get to a menu!! Dont you feel lucky!!
7. This device does not lag period. Ive only observed very slight jumps in graphics (the drop down bar almost exclusively) it is extremely smooth out of the box even before rooting and disabling apps. Your whining about a minor easily fixed graphical complaint (force gpu rendering and disable some bloat, no root required) which apparently ruins the entire tablet for you. As for bloat everything has bloat. When was thr last time you bought an LG phone or an iphone or hell even a nexus. Just so you know STOCK ANDROID DOESNT COME WITH GAPPS!!! So even nexus is bloat ridden. Samsung adds alot of functional applications. Most of the "bloat" is actually extremely useful if you are a business minded person. And you can disable alot of it. Just root and uninstall!
8. It is a 750 dollar 12 inch tablet with identical specs to a 500 dollar tablet and similar to some 350 dollar tablets. What do you expect devs (most that do this as a hobby) to just go running to best buy and grabbing it up? Also you keep complaining about rooting but you want dev activity which would mostly require root. Are you serious? Your like a bad tech reviewer that just found out rooting exists and cant device to hate or love it. If you want more dev activity buy another one and give it away to your favorite developer.
So in conclusion you dont know why you bought this tablet (Im thinking "ooh its big and shiny!!!" Had something to do with it) you didnt read the forums to see that the spen apps have been improved or that many of your complaints (ui lag and multiwindow apps) could be easily fixed, and your bipolar about rooting. I suggest you return it and purchase an ipad air. It might be a bit closer to your level.
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1. No you don't there is an app for that.
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Tried the non root app and it didn't work for all apps and most importantly some key apps that I need. They work fine now that I'm rooted and enabled them for multiwindow.
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2. Chrome sucks on anything. It literally is the worst. Dolphin and others can sync with desktop chrome and dolphin supports flash. You lost all credibility the moment you complained about chrome.
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I couldn't care less what you you think about my credibility. You clearly have a personality disorder! Already using Dophin w/flash (generally only for flash sites). I didn't know it would sync with Chrome so I may look into that although Chrome beta does perform a lot better then stable Chrome.
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3. Samsung intends for it to be used mostly in portrait they are nice when used with a keyboard. But its ok to dislike it
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Wrong, it's intended to be used in landscape. The wouldn't put the buttons on the bottom (holding in landscape) if it was meant to be used in portrait.
Duly.noted said:
4 . It's a bigger screen of course they made things bigger. It makes sense. If you want a smaller launcher use a different launcher. Or just root and adjust your dpi. Buy a third party protection plan like square trade and you dont have to worry about your warranty.
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Already rooted and the a different launcher (already using Apex) only adjusts the launcher icons, not overall DPI. You say of course... Well I disagree! To maintain a constant experience they should have adjusted the DPI. Bigger screen should mean more real estate, same size icons, not bigger everything!
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5. The spen apps have gotten better. Look around the forums. Many people had the old 10.1 and upon switching hated the new ones but have come to prefer the new apps. And if you "arent sold on the spen" why the #*@% did you pay extra for it?
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Well at the time the none pen (tab pro 12.2) was not available. Since you seem to think you know everything I would think you knew this. I had 14 days to return this and tab pro 12.2 was release within that time but I decided to keep the note. Wouldn't say I'm still sold on the pen but I plan to keep this tablet for at least 2 years and I'll get some use out of the pen. Will improve resale when I'm ready for the next tablet so I figure it's costing me about $50 premium which is really not that bad. So there you go... That is why the #*@% I got the Note instead of the Pro Tab 12.2.
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6. Google has been pushing to get rid of the menu button. Samsung and some chinese oems are the only ones that still have it and samsung is the ONLY one that gives you the apps button and menu button. All apps should have an overflow in kitkat and samsung gives you this. 2 ways to get to a menu!! Dont you feel lucky!!
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I have no idea what reality you live in but I have plenty of apps that don't have the menu button overlay and all tablets that use the on screen navbar buttons will show a menu button in the navbar when needed. You can call it what you will. I don't like Apple/iCrap anything but my point is that this can cause confusion for an inexperienced user (not me) and I'm sick of hearing the argument that iPads/iPhones are easier to use. This oversight by Samsung back up that claim for inexperienced users.
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7. This device does not lag period. Ive only observed very slight jumps in graphics (the drop down bar almost exclusively) it is extremely smooth out of the box even before rooting and disabling apps. Your whining about a minor easily fixed graphical complaint (force gpu rendering and disable some bloat, no root required) which apparently ruins the entire tablet for you. As for bloat everything has bloat. When was thr last time you bought an LG phone or an iphone or hell even a nexus. Just so you know STOCK ANDROID DOESNT COME WITH GAPPS!!! So even nexus is bloat ridden. Samsung adds alot of functional applications. Most of the "bloat" is actually extremely useful if you are a business minded person. And you can disable alot of it. Just root and uninstall!
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Samsungs ROMs contain a ton of bloat in the ROM code, it's not just the apps that take up the extra space. I know what stock Android is and that GAPPS needs to be loaded on ROMs like CM, AOKP, Paranoid, OmniROM. Been using these ROMs about as long as I have been using Android (@ 5 years). You can sit hear and defend Samsung all you want. I have had an S2, S3, S4, and the Note 12.2. Every single one of these device had some lag. It's not that big of deal or I wouldn't continue buying Samsung. I just really thought the raw horsepower of this tablet would make it smoother. My almost 2 year old Nexus 10 is smoother overall in the GUI, no question about it! The 12.2 clearly has more horsepower and I clearly see that in several apps I use that require a ton of processing power.
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8. It is a 750 dollar 12 inch tablet with identical specs to a 500 dollar tablet and similar to some 350 dollar tablets. What do you expect devs (most that do this as a hobby) to just go running to best buy and grabbing it up? Also you keep complaining about rooting but you want dev activity which would mostly require root. Are you serious? Your like a bad tech reviewer that just found out rooting exists and cant device to hate or love it. If you want more dev activity buy another one and give it away to your favorite developer.
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I've rooted every Android device I have ever owned. In addition to the list of phones above I've had a few other makes of phones and a few other tablets. I don't have an issue with rooting at all. Both my S3 and S4 were rooted the same say I got them. It was simply a little harder to root a $800 device with the understanding that it would void warranty. So I waited a couple weeks until I was sure I was keeping it and to ensure there were no hardware issues with the unit. So according you your response I guess it's not ok to state that there is limited to no developer activity. I was simply stating a fact but you seem to think that for some ****ing strange reason people can't state a fact without you ****ing lecturing them for stating suck a fact. Again, back to my statement in #2, you seriously do have a personality disorder. You should seek some help with that...
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So in conclusion you dont know why you bought this tablet (Im thinking "ooh its big and shiny!!!" Had something to do with it) you didnt read the forums to see that the spen apps have been improved or that many of your complaints (ui lag and multiwindow apps) could be easily fixed, and your bipolar about rooting. I suggest you return it and purchase an ipad air. It might be a bit closer to your level.
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There you go again running your mouth. I'd guess you are some spoiled kid who been taught no respect. To be clear, I bought this tablet for two reasons. First, I have been waiting a year for the next generation of tablets to replace my Nexus 10. Second, I have wanted a larger tablet and no one else makes a 12 inch tablet.
So in conclusion I don't know what your problem is. I posted up some good honest opinions on this tablet. You obviously don't think Samsung can do no wrong. I don't use Apple products but I'm not too childish to respect what they do right. I have never owned a iPad but do support a few of them so I'm not oblivious to how they work and compare to Android tablets. I assure you my "level" of technical skills is much higher then you could ever possibly imagine. I'd love to compare technical knowledge, experience, and pay rate any day!
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Tried the non root app and it didn't work for all apps and most importantly some key apps that I need. They work fine now that I'm rooted and enabled them for multiwindow.
I couldn't care less what you you think about my credibility. You clearly have a personality disorder! Already using Dophin w/flash (generally only for flash sites). I didn't know it would sync with Chrome so I may look into that although Chrome beta does perform a lot better then stable Chrome.
Wrong, it's intended to be used in landscape. The wouldn't put the buttons on the bottom (holding in landscape) if it was meant to be used in portrait.
Sorry typo on my part. Meant landscape lol
Already rooted and the a different launcher (already using Apex) only adjusts the launcher icons, not overall DPI. You say of course... Well I disagree! To maintain a constant experience they should have adjusted the DPI. Bigger screen should mean more real estate, same size icons, not bigger everything!
Exposed and the app settings module would change dpi system wide or app specifically
Well at the time the none pen (tab pro 12.2) was not available. Since you seem to think you know everything I would think you knew this. I had 14 days to return this and tab pro 12.2 was release within that time but I decided to keep the note. Wouldn't say I'm still sold on the pen but I plan to keep this tablet for at least 2 years and I'll get some use out of the pen. Will improve resale when I'm ready for the next tablet so I figure it's costing me about $50 premium which is really not that bad. So there you go... That is why the #*@% I got the Note instead of the Pro Tab 12.2.
I have no idea what reality you live in but I have plenty of apps that don't have the menu button overlay and all tablets that use the on screen navbar buttons will show a menu button in the navbar when needed. You can call it what you will. I don't like Apple/iCrap anything but my point is that this can cause confusion for an inexperienced user (not me) and I'm sick of hearing the argument that iPads/iPhones are easier to use. This oversight by Samsung back up that claim for inexperienced users.
Yet that doesn't change the fact that Samsung is the only company giving you menu function at all does it? If it was a nexus you wouldn't have any sort of menu key. At least you have one. The ones I find most often that don't have overflows are emulators. This is because devs haven't updated their apps to include them.
Samsungs ROMs contain a ton of bloat in the ROM code, it's not just the apps that take up the extra space. I know what stock Android is and that GAPPS needs to be loaded on ROMs like CM, AOKP, Paranoid, OmniROM. Been using these ROMs about as long as I have been using Android (@ 5 years). You can sit hear and defend Samsung all you want. I have had an S2, S3, S4, and the Note 12.2. Every single one of these device had some lag. It's not that big of deal or I wouldn't continue buying Samsung. I just really thought the raw horsepower of this tablet would make it smoother. My almost 2 year old Nexus 10 is smoother overall in the GUI, no question about it! The 12.2 clearly has more horsepower and I clearly see that in several apps I use that require a ton of processing power.
I don't see the lag. It is a matter of perception. I have used a nexus side by side and feel the note is just as smooth. I'm not defending Samsung. They could of dine several things better, my issue really is that if you root (you did) all those issues can be fixed and it is an amazing device that speaks for itself.
I've rooted every Android device I have ever owned. In addition to the list of phones above I've had a few other makes of phones and a few other tablets. I don't have an issue with rooting at all. Both my S3 and S4 were rooted the same say I got them. It was simply a little harder to root a $800 device with the understanding that it would void warranty. So I waited a couple weeks until I was sure I was keeping it and to ensure there were no hardware issues with the unit. So according you your response I guess it's not ok to state that there is limited to no developer activity. I was simply stating a fact but you seem to think that for some ****ing strange reason people can't state a fact without you ****ing lecturing them for stating suck a fact. Again, back to my statement in #2, you seriously do have a personality disorder. You should seek some help with that...
No just that you stated it as a con bothered me. It is such an obvious downside with such an expensive device that it doesn't need to be said. And more importantly I had a thing going with the numbers.
There you go again running your mouth. I'd guess you are some spoiled kid who been taught no respect. To be clear, I bought this tablet for two reasons. First, I have been waiting a year for the next generation of tablets to replace my Nexus 10. Second, I have wanted a larger tablet and no one else makes a 12 inch tablet.
I like this much better. My issue before is that it seemed like a list of complaints (we get a lot of those)
This is you describing precisely why you bought it and the issues you have face. I have no issue now
So in conclusion I don't know what your problem is. I posted up some good honest opinions on this tablet. You obviously don't think Samsung can do no wrong. I don't use Apple products but I'm not too childish to respect what they do right. I have never owned a iPad but do support a few of them so I'm not oblivious to how they work and compare to Android tablets. I assure you my "level" of technical skills is much higher then you could ever possibly imagine. I'd love to compare technical knowledge, experience, and pay rate any day!
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I make 150 dollars an hour at one job 962 dollars in 8 hours at another (typically ends up around 1500 a day though) and 8.50 an hour at another (keep it for the discounts.) Although I don't work in the tech field. I don't have the attention span for it. Love technology but coding is incredibly boring and tedious to me. I'm only learning it as hobbt to modify my own devices (and potentially release a rom one day) I'm not implying that I know more than you. More just bringing it to your attention that it was kind of a whiny post. It's much better now that you have described in detail your grievances. Also if your pay grade is so good why do you worry about the warranty? And if your tech skills are so good you should be our first Dev
Oh and yes I DO have a personality disorder. Kind of. I have aspbergers. A form of high functioning autism that manifests itself in social skills. I am very bad with social cues such as body language lol. I would rather be be alone than with people usually. Sadly my girlfriend doesn't agree. It is often found along side ADD. I also have that. It's OK though. People with ADD are typically very bright (which I am) That being said I intended to be a bit offensive. Your post was written In a way that got it very little attention. You get more responses ( I wouldn't have been a jack*#@) if it had been written just a bit differently a list of a problems will get nothing more than a return it from most people. Especially when you answer your own problems ( Rooting was a great solution) Good luck with the dpi change (I love adjusting apps individually instead of system wide) and I sincerely hope you enjoy the tablet for the next 2 years. I will.
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I make 150 dollars an hour at one job 962 dollars in 8 hours at another (typically ends up around 1500 a day though) and 8.50 an hour at another (keep it for the discounts.)
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LOL! Speechless!!!
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LOL! Speechless!!!
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Man when you get 400 off a tv minimum don't look so bad
My girlfriend got this tablet today, at my recommendation. It's the lte, snapdragon 800 version. She wanted a 10 inch tablet so I thought this would be one of the best products on the market. I was so wrong... I owned a nexus 10 previously and that tablet was flying, had very snappy ui. This one simply isn't as smooth. Even the launcher seems laggy, like it's not running at 60 fps (more like 40 fps, not very choppy but noticeable). And TouchWiz... Omg the entire system feels like frigging gingerbread, what's with that ugly white in the settings and notification. Forget gingerbread, this looks like froyo.
So I insisted she sends it back and get a nexus 7, but she actually likes it. She likes the s pen and multi window (which I won't deny that are great features, I own a note device myself) but she hates how the ui looks as well.
I can't understand why this feels so stuttery, on paper it has killer specs.
Please don't think that I'm bashing you guys for getting this device, it's your money, your decision and your taste, I have no problems with that, I just personally feel that there are better alternatives for Android tablets, especially that this costs so much.
But do you think it will get better in time? Maybe with the kitkat update? Will it at least change the UI? It's currently so ugly!
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Please don't think that I'm bashing you guys for getting this device, it's your money, your decision and your taste, I have no problems with that, I just personally feel that there are better alternatives for Android tablets, especially that this costs so much.
But do you think it will get better in time? Maybe with the kitkat update? Will it at least change the UI? It's currently so ugly!
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Does anyone here actually use their devices for anything but transitioning through home pages and opening and closing apps? That's where there's some lag and stuttering. I don't have any performance issues within apps and I have 142 installed. Your girlfriend sounds like most of the people I know that have N10.1-14's or Pro/Notes and like them; a lot. The more you do with them the more you appreciate them. For basic consumption any tablet will do and there are a lot cheaper options than the N10.1-14. If I was just looking for consumption I'd own an iPad as its transitions and overall fluidity is better than any stock Android device. Not everyone here's looking for a garage project. As for 7/8" vs. 10+" there's no comparison for creation and productivity so recommending a small format tablet to someone who needs/wants a larger one doesn't really fly. And the N10 with its 32nm eighteen month old CPU and GPU that's half as capable as either the Mali/Adreno in the Pro/Notes is a non-starter. The only other ultra HD 10" tablet is the TF701 and it's got lag issues too as reported by users. People should buy what makes them happy and clearly the Pro/Note's aren't for everyone.
And the Pro/Note's with 4.4 and M-UX still have some of the stuttering and lag people have been complaining about so I wouldn't bank on major improvements going forward. Core TW has been touched up and is a bit cleaner and flatter but those that hate it will continue to do so. All the productivity features (multi-window, S Finder, My Files, S Note, Pen Window, S Pen, Action Memo, Scrap Book, persistent clipboard, Air Command, Air View, syncing Scrap Book, S Note, and the stock browser across devices) have a ton of open threads and processes running in the background even when they aren't active. With no running apps I've cleared RAM and had 40+ processes close. Moral of the story is if you don't want/use those things (EG: you) they waste resources and slow down performance. But if you do (EG: me and your girlfriend) there's nothing that compares to the N10.1-14 and other Pro/Notes.
I'm doing some office work at a coffee shop; here's my setup. There's no tablet I can think of that lets me do what my N10.1-14 does in such a small factor. I had the old N10.1 and could leave my laptop home about 25% of the time. With the N10.1-14 I'm up to 50+%. That, at least to me, is worth some millisecond-long stuttering in transitions.
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My girlfriend got this tablet today, at my recommendation. It's the lte, snapdragon 800 version. She wanted a 10 inch tablet so I thought this would be one of the best products on the market. I was so wrong... I owned a nexus 10 previously and that tablet was flying, had very snappy ui. This one simply isn't as smooth. Even the launcher seems laggy, like it's not running at 60 fps (more like 40 fps, not very choppy but noticeable). And TouchWiz... Omg the entire system feels like frigging gingerbread, what's with that ugly white in the settings and notification. Forget gingerbread, this looks like froyo.
So I insisted she sends it back and get a nexus 7, but she actually likes it. She likes the s pen and multi window (which I won't deny that are great features, I own a note device myself) but she hates how the ui looks as well.
I can't understand why this feels so stuttery, on paper it has killer specs.
Please don't think that I'm bashing you guys for getting this device, it's your money, your decision and your taste, I have no problems with that, I just personally feel that there are better alternatives for Android tablets, especially that this costs so much.
But do you think it will get better in time? Maybe with the kitkat update? Will it at least change the UI? It's currently so ugly!
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I feel your pain, and while I really like this tablet, I'm not a fanboy and won't make excuses or explanations for the lagginess etc. All I will say is this, check http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/ for the latest firmware for your model (p605 I think) and download and install it via Odin. I have the wifi only model and the latest firmwares (NC2 and NC3) made a HUGE difference in the overall responsiveness of the tablet. With tweaking and customization this tablet is heads and shoulders above the iPad and all other tablets, but it takes a little work (disabling unnecessary Samsung apps and services for example).
Hope it works out though bro.
NC2 has helped a lot. My snappy version still stutters occasionally but its pretty rare these days. I agree that it is a bit poor that Samsung released the device in what seems like an unfinished state. However there are few alternatives that can offer the functionality of this tablet.
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I feel your pain, and while I really like this tablet, I'm not a fanboy and won't make excuses or explanations for the lagginess etc. All I will say is this, check http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/ for the latest firmware for your model (p605 I think) and download and install it via Odin. I have the wifi only model and the latest firmwares (NC2 and NC3) made a HUGE difference in the overall responsiveness of the tablet. With tweaking and customization this tablet is heads and shoulders above the iPad and all other tablets, but it takes a little work (disabling unnecessary Samsung apps and services for example).
Hope it works out though bro.
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Thanks, I'm gonna check that out.
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My opinion is flash custom rom and kernal, get rid of bloat and use nova laucher instead of touchwiz and youll see a big difference. When its all stock there is alot of unessary things you dont need or use. Theres alot of changes you can do to speed it up.Just search around the threads and youll find a ton of info.
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My opinion is flash custom rom and kernal, get rid of bloat and use nova laucher instead of touchwiz and youll see a big difference. When its all stock there is alot of unessary things you dont need or use. Theres alot of changes you can do to speed it up.Just search around the threads and youll find a ton of info.
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Doesn't this tablet have the knox trigger which voids warranty? I usually don't mess up with someone else's devices, but especially in this case when it's about my girlfriend.
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Does anyone here actually use their devices for anything but transitioning through home pages and opening and closing apps? That's where there's some lag and stuttering. I don't have any performance issues within apps and I have 142 installed. Your girlfriend sounds like most of the people I know that have N10.1-14's or Pro/Notes and like them; a lot. The more you do with them the more you appreciate them. For basic consumption any tablet will do and there are a lot cheaper options than the N10.1-14. If I was just looking for consumption I'd own an iPad as its transitions and overall fluidity is better than any stock Android device. Not everyone here's looking for a garage project. As for 7/8" vs. 10+" there's no comparison for creation and productivity so recommending a small format tablet to someone who needs/wants a larger one doesn't really fly. And the N10 with its 32nm eighteen month old CPU and GPU that's half as capable as either the Mali/Adreno in the Pro/Notes is a non-starter. The only other ultra HD 10" tablet is the TF701 and it's got lag issues too as reported by users. People should buy what makes them happy and clearly the Pro/Note's aren't for everyone.
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Haha yea I dont get it either ... i have both notes [ 2012 & 2014 ] its a huuuge improvement ... when I open the browser on my old one it takes 5- 10 seconds to load up ... the 2014 edition does have no loading times it starts up instantly.... but this is the only thing ... sime minor startup problems ... but these are gone on the new note ... so I dont get whats the complainign about ...
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Does anyone here actually use their devices for anything but transitioning through home pages and opening and closing apps?
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You're not going to get the S Pen experience anywhere else so I think the conversation is pretty much over on if it should be kept. She's keeping it. If you love her, you'll root it and customize the crap out of it to give her the experience you know she deserves. *cues Palladio suite*
I like the build quality very much, I do like the s pen (I have it on the phone and it's even better on a larger screen) and, like I said, on paper it has very good specs. I installed the Google now launcher and turned all transition animations to 0.5. It does move better, and the original browser is very smooth (much better then chrome). I'm starting to get the hang of it, but I still hate the user interface (I still think that it looks like gingerbread). Maybe with the updated TouchWiz from the pro series I will like it).
I didn't search on the forums and I'm sorry for being lazy, but does this device have the Knox trigger?
^^ this +1
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You're not going to get the S Pen experience anywhere else so I think the conversation is pretty much over on if it should be kept. She's keeping it. If you love her, you'll root it and customize the crap out of it to give her the experience you know she deserves. *cues Palladio suite*
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I like the build quality very much, I do like the s pen (I have it on the phone and it's even better on a larger screen) and, like I said, on paper it has very good specs. I installed the Google now launcher and turned all transition animations to 0.5. It does move better, and the original browser is very smooth (much better then chrome). I'm starting to get the hang of it, but I still hate the user interface (I still think that it looks like gingerbread). Maybe with the updated TouchWiz from the pro series I will like it).
I didn't search on the forums and I'm sorry for being lazy, but does this device have the Knox trigger?
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I think that every phone/tablet needs to have Nova Launcher installed. I understand some people like Apex or GO! but I recommend Nova. You can change the theme/icons all you want and its lag free in all of my experiences. Also you've already changes the transitions to .5 so that is really all you should need.
And Yes, all Samsung devices at this point will come with Knox i believe.
Funny enough I have Nova on my Note 3 but TouchWiz on this tablet. With the NC3 update it's as smooth as butter, the way it's supposed to be. As much as I like Nova, I don't like the app drawer on a screen this size, TouchWiz is way better looks wise and with the update as I said, performances are on par with each other.
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I'm loving this tablet so far, I use it for the university mostly and the battery lasts like 2 days with moderate/intense use.
I also use the spen a lot (wish I had a more realistic pen). it also doesn't lag and it is pretty fast.
The only thing i wish, is that it had more features like we see on phone or the phablet, for the price I paid for it.
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Doesn't this tablet have the knox trigger which voids warranty? I usually don't mess up with someone else's devices, but especially in this case when it's about my girlfriend.
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it does trip knox and void the warranty. You can still disable some apps and use nova launcher to speed it up some.
Hi,I just got it and love it (have always been a fan of the note phone series,but its a whole new experience on a tablet!!!) So just a question, can I install the NC3 firmware from the Hongkong model? Will it void Knox(i dont rly care, rooting it in a week anyways) and will change the apps n stuff? (like my HOX singapore rom has a whole lot of useless preinstalled crap).
BTW I got it from US(Newegg.com), and I didnt get any extra tips!! Any idea where I could buy some? Either in India or US?
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what's with that ugly white in the settings and notification.
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The white in the notification bar and settings are the new Google standard. Apparently the guys that designed the blue Halo settings at Google were locked in a cubicle and never went outside during daylight. Because if they'd gone outside, even only once, in bright sunlight they'd have noticed that the blue was not even close to readable. At all. People who are frequently outside, as many of us are, had to make a hood out of our jacket to actually read stuff on that crappy interface. We looked like old time photographers with a hood over our heads.
The white interface makes our phones usable outside again. That guy that approved the blue Halo interface should be sentenced to sit in the bleachers of his kid's softball game for 30 straight days as punishment. Instead, he'll probably approve something else in the future that will be unusable outside.
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Hi,I just got it and love it (have always been a fan of the note phone series,but its a whole new experience on a tablet!!!) So just a question, can I install the NC3 firmware from the Hongkong model? Will it void Knox(i dont rly care, rooting it in a week anyways) and will change the apps n stuff? (like my HOX singapore rom has a whole lot of useless preinstalled crap).
BTW I got it from US(Newegg.com), and I didnt get any extra tips!! Any idea where I could buy some? Either in India or US?
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Mine is from USA and I installed the NC3 with no issue. I didn't even need to wipe or reinstall anything. You're installing via Odin so I don't think it will trip your Knox though if you plan to root I don't see how that's an issue. I haven't heard of any instance where Samsung failed to take back or repair a device due to Knox being tripped either (so many of the refurbs on sale recently have come with Knox tripped) so it really isn't an issue. Re the tips, mine didn't come with any either, bought off Amazon but I have some from my Note 3. I've been using the S Pen ALOT and have not had reason to change the tip yet on either the Note 3 or this tablet so I wouldn't worry about the tips right now if I were you.
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Mine is from USA and I installed the NC3 with no issue. I didn't even need to wipe or reinstall anything. You're installing via Odin so I don't think it will trip your Knox though if you plan to root I don't see how that's an issue. I haven't heard of any instance where Samsung failed to take back or repair a device due to Knox being tripped either (so many of the refurbs on sale recently have come with Knox tripped) so it really isn't an issue. Re the tips, mine didn't come with any either, bought off Amazon but I have some from my Note 3. I've been using the S Pen ALOT and have not had reason to change the tip yet on either the Note 3 or this tablet so I wouldn't worry about the tips right now if I were you.
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Awesome! thanks! mine is a refurb too but with knox intact.
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Mine is from USA and I installed the NC3 with no issue. I didn't even need to wipe or reinstall anything. You're installing via Odin so I don't think it will trip your Knox though if you plan to root I don't see how that's an issue. I haven't heard of any instance where Samsung failed to take back or repair a device due to Knox being tripped either (so many of the refurbs on sale recently have come with Knox tripped) so it really isn't an issue. Re the tips, mine didn't come with any either, bought off Amazon but I have some from my Note 3. I've been using the S Pen ALOT and have not had reason to change the tip yet on either the Note 3 or this tablet so I wouldn't worry about the tips right now if I were you.
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thanks for the help dude. I installed NC3, there is a noticeable improvement over MK1. However I believe I lost some of the MK1 apps. WatchON is gone,replaced by something called Peel. Some other apps are gone too, I think. Are you able to redeem your Samsung hub 50$? I have the code but unable to redeem in India.I am arriving in US in 5th July.Is the 90 day usage limit valid on the from the date u get u get the code or from when u redeem it?
My nexus 9 recently started doing this...
Credit to Andrew Spyker
I've always had Nexus items.. First gen Nexus tablet, second, 3rd.. hell I have a nexus Q
So with this new issue I've run the gamut of Nexus 9 issues. Frisbee backplate, speed that, so you have a reference understandable to the human mind, ill describe as glacial. Charge to 100% eta. 2017. I got stuck on android 5.0.0 because.. who the hell knows. And now randomly my tablet has what I can only describe as seizures. HTC wants me to RMA it.. but you know what, I do not want to RMA it because then I'd be given another one and I would rather have the current one blow up in my face then to subject myself to the false hope of receiving a replacement and assuming, nay believing that all is well.
This is twice Nvidia has been contracted to put a processor in a Nexus and this is the second time the result has been total complete garbage. The entire Nexus9 experience has gotten me closer than I have ever been to buying an Ipad.. Google's and to an extent all Android tablet makers ability to get a tablet produced that even comes close to an Ipad in its ability to run the same way every day has been weighed and measured and found wanting.
The phones, which by all accounts are still their main focus have not suffered like the tablets so I will continue to enjoy them.
They seem to be unable to produce a table that is consistent or compelling and are thus going through the motions and just making a tablet because they have to.. So the Ipad decision is because quite frankly Apple does "going through the motions" better than Samsung/Google/HTC apparently can.
Maybe this will all change.. maybe it will not. At some point I will make the change these manufacturers will not. One thing I will not do is be suckered into a new tablet every 12 months.
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I'm not happy with my Nexus 9 either. It's lacking in both hardware and software.
Hardware:
- backlight bleeding
- too heavy
- flex in the back cover
- battery life is not that great
Software:
- random reboots / crashes
- RAM bug (causing chrome tab reloads for example)
- slow performance occasionally (probably caused by the RAM bug)
- software updates were rather slow for a Nexus device, we had to wait months for 5.1.1
I don't have any hope that Android M will fix any of the software problems. The Nexus 9 has been out for almost a year and there hasn't really been much improvement since the release.
I would like to buy an iPad mini 4 (never owned an iPhone or iPad, but I think there are no good Android tablets out there), the problem is that the Nexus 9 has a bad resell value (<250€) and the iPad mini 4 costs 389€ and I really don't feel like spending that much on a tablet again considering that I haven't even had the Nexus 9 for a year.
Asus zenpad 8.0 S. ... Love mine, sold my Nexus 9 to buy it. Super thin, great screen but get the CA version
I jumped on the bandwagon and bought the 32gb N9 from Google Play in December. After a month of use I felt it was an "okay" tablet. Last month I inherited an iPad Air 1st gen. The iPad gives a much more gratifying user experience.
I feel that Google really blew it with the N9, rushing to get a tablet out and winding up with a rush product at a premium price. I will be much more reluctant to go with another Google product in the future.
I don't know but I actually love my tablet... The biggest gripe I have with it is the tabs in Chrome refreshing, but besides that the tablet works great... There is a small light bleed but nothing as bad as my G3... Sorry to hear you guys had a bad batch, but what might have helped my tablet experience is that I rooted mine and running dirty unicorn...
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cables2590 said:
I don't know but I actually love my tablet... The biggest gripe I have with it is the tabs in Chrome refreshing, but besides that the tablet works great...
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Same here. And my N9 is bone stock.
hardware is fine, but the drivers running it are crap. stutters, background task getting killed, refresh on tabs when browsing, touching the screen ramps up the processors (it's why the browser uses more power than the screen, each touch takes a crap-ton of power. a few updates back fixed it to 1/2 but still is too much. lowering it to 800 and it stutters, my other tablets only ramp up to 300 with no stutter)... as crappy as samsung is with support i'd have gotten a better tablet sticking with them. i've tried four different roms with the same results and was on stock/rooted for the longest with fire-ice kernel.
I assume you've done a full wipe and ruled out it being a software bug?
If the company is offering to RMA a defective unit in favor of a non-defective one and you turn them down how is that Nexus/HTC/Android/whomever's fault other than your own?
Other than the backlight bleed I don't have too many issues with my Nexus. And that was purchasing a refurb scratch/dent 32gb model from Amazon Warehouse for $290. Is it what I'd expect for a $290 tablet? Absolutely.
I'd consider an iPad Air 2, but those guys are $600 and won't sync up quite the same as all my other crap. Or alternatively the Mini 4 ($500).
Mine is on Preview M unencrypted. I really like it. My 10 is a fine tablet, as well. The 7's I've had I've never really liked.
The apple tablets I've tried seem no different to me. I've even changed my Window animation scale 1, Transition animation scale 1 and Animator duration scale 1.5 and it acts just like an apple tablet.
The freeze on OP's video is caused by an undervolt-powersave thing. It has been reported many times and only an RMA can save you from that.
The RAM deficiency is caused by the one and only Chrome that consumes a ****load of ram on any platform. It fills my G3's 3 GBs of ram in just 5 tabs.
Just use another browser.
ive got a sluggish n9, backlight bleed and a few reboots. battery life is weak...
love aspect ratio though and still think this is still a good tablet overall...
There is no way anyone that is happy with this tablet uses multiple profiles on a regular basis.
If you fresh boot and sign into one user things are ok... not horrible or super fast but ok. Sign in to an additional profile and the tablet goes to complete hell. Stutters, stalls, crashes, etc.
Really sucks because its shared between myself and my girlfriend. This has been the case since 5.0.1 through 6.0 preview 3.
People are never happy with what they have. Yes the tablet has a few issue here and there. Very little consumer grade electronics are "perfect" there will always be something that bugs you.
I like this tab, took a little tweaking, as it usually does with any device to reach the standards of a "current XDA'r".
But at the very LEAST i would disagree with this being a tab to avoid.
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No offense but your optimism does not apply here. Get off the koolaid
osiris355 said:
No offense but your optimism does not apply here. Get off the koolaid
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The incredible pessimism doesn't apply here, nor belong, either. Get off the juice.
RickInHouston said:
The incredible pessimism doesn't apply here, nor belong, either. Get off the juice.
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His post is misleading and mine is not pessimism when its reality. Everyone knows this tablet has issues worse than typical bugs or hardware annoyances.
Edit: I just finished flashing 6.0. I can't believe I am saying this but it looks like google has finally fixed most of the performance issues. I can finally load up multiple profiles/chrome browsing and it doesn't start hanging/crashing. 1 year later and they finally got it right. Too bad it still heats up when gaming but that's not as big of a deal.
I love mine personally, there is a tiny hint of backlight bleeding but it's hardly noticeable. Battery life isn't that great, but that's the only downside for me. It always gets me through 2 days of use anyway since I have a phone for other functions. I also would gladly take a slight issue or two for the vastly superior sound setup for media consumption. Apple could maybe get my buck if they integrated FF speakers, and good ones at that. Until then the Nexus is the best for me. I was also thinking about the Asus 8.0 too, it looks good but it's too damned small. I actually think my Nexus is a bit small too, but it's the biggest and best tab I could get for under $300
I've had all sorts of issues with my Nexus 9. Software is better now than it used to be. But up until 5.1.1, multitasking made me want to kill kittens. It's more usable now with the latest 5.1.1 revision on the Pure Nexus ROM and Fire kernel. Except for Chrome, even XDA makes it choke. HD video performance is hit or miss, MX player with Tegra plug-ins was OK and other media apps stutter with high bit rates. I'm not on M now but when I tried it the battery life improved so there is that to look forward to.
The screen bleed on the bottom has gotten worse.
I learned my lesson and won't buy Nexus products again till they are on the market for a while and are thoroughly reviewed/patched.
Stock feels a little clunky on the Nexus 9. Installed CM and it feels much smoother. Overall, I am fairly pleased with mine.
Then again, I do not use Chrome, rather I use Firefox with Adblock+.
I have has both gen 7, and now the 9. I have also had iPads' and a Sony Tablet.
The 1st gen 7 was my favorite. Its form factor felt the best in my hand, the 2nd while faster was uncomfortable to hold. I'm not an Apple fan but work gave me an iPad 2. I rarely used it. Seemed okay. The Sony Z3 Tablet Compact has AMAZING quality. I just wish I could put AOSP on it, not a fan of the Sony tweaks, but over all its made from great materials and its very smooth to operate.
The 9 for me has been great so far. I did the following as soon as I got it, these are things I generally do to EVERY Android device when I get it.
* Change DPI to the screens native DPI (288 in this case)
* Added a line in build.prop to enable hardware UI rendering. <-- not sure if this is really needed anymore so I continue to add it until I'm told its not.
* Hard code the DNS used to the Google DNS servers
* Set all animation scales to .5
* Force GPU rendering to ON
I have never had any crashing or RAM management issues. I DO have the light bleeding issue, but not bad enough to really complain about.