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Public apology

i apologize to any and everyone whose work i have used without getting your permission first i truely truely am sorry. i will be taking everything down that i have posted on xda that has other's work without them giving me permission to use it. and even once i ask them and they deny permission i will be taking the uploads down after that as well. again i'm sorry
as for everyone's comments about my HUGE MISTAKE I'M SORRY ABOUT....
LiquidSolstice said:
I never gave anyone permission to do this. You didn't ask me, you told me after the fact. I was planning on letting guitardoc take over, but this is just unacceptable.
Please take this down.
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i did post a comment on your thread asking you to pm me but you never did and i got impatient and hyped up about things and i just rushed things and posted finished stable builds of your rom without your permission thinking things would be okay if i emphisized 3x on the thread i didn't do anything but finish your rom all credit goes to you for all other work. but again i went about things the wrong way i wasn't trying to take full credit for your rom i thought i made that clear in the first post but i guess saying it 3x still isn't the right way to go about things, glad to see we're working things out (btw everyone check out the title of his thread now ) for the better now bro! so i'd like to say this publicly, SORRY FOR USING YOUR ROM WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION LIQUID! (i wanted to say that on the forum so everyone saw lol ) do you accept my appology liquid? (impaler please ____ , you know what we talked about, after liquid post his reply)
FdxRider said:
Uh-oh!
Sent from my Pedal to the Metal Hero
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I know i made a big uh oh!
LiquidSolstice said:
Let's get something straight here, because it seems you're all offended right now. You can stop fishing for pity or sympathy, because I have none for you.
"help" would have been PMing me what you tried to do, I could test it, and if it works, the links would get posted on the ORIGINAL thread with full credit to you. Hell, I would have put a goddamn donate button right next to links to you. That's how proper crediting goes. I credit with permission every single person who has tested or fixed something for me with the ROM, and that would not have been any different.
Instead, without telling me, you copied my thread, put up a modified version of my ROM, and told me only AFTER the fact that you did so.
You have some INSANE issues with understanding permission and crediting, and as I understand it, this isn't your first time. It doesn't matter if you put my name in 72 BOLD pt in this thread, you never asked me and you posted a whole damn new thread for it. That's just not ok.
If you really want to be "omg super-hero dev", you need to start earning your fellow dev's respect, and right now, that's not working out for you.
If you're still interested in being credited for this, PM me with the download links, I'll check them out, and if they are ok, I'll put it in my original 2.1.1 thread with full credit to you. That's how it works.
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i really want to earn my fellow dev's respect but i keep screwing up i'm sorry again bro. and i'm reading the forum rules about crediting as we speak right now.
laie1472 said:
LMAO I gotta post on this. Sup kifno man?? How can you post take down jasonmaloney and i's rom??? When in the op man you don't give him credit for anything. You state you have finished up ls's rom not jasonmaloney and you. And come on kifno you didn't even ask the man could you work on his rom??? Wow impressive.
Yea its me Again With the
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no i asked to take down jasonmaloney's build and my build (two seperate things) b/c we both posted our build's on liquid's thread without his permission.....which was a big no no....but i made things worse by making a seperate thread....again sorry liquid. so there was no need to credit jasonmaloney, laie i know i messed up big time smh stupid move on my part
TJinWV said:
Not that it matters much, but his ROMs and jasonmaloney's are separate. jasonmaloney just put his in Liquid's original 2.1.1 thread here.
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exactly what i was saying about taking down our build's....
LiquidSolstice said:
At least jasonmaloney did not try to make a brand new thread about it. He would have asked me ahead of time, as a proper dev should.
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again i asked ahead of time on the thread but no reply but i did screw things up worse by making this thread again sorry....
il Duce said:
this is EXACTLY what I was talking about in the NFX rom that you put up as your own, you are officially a KANGAHOLIC, and people have been and should be banned for it. Every thread you posts seems to be less about development and more about popularity, you even say **** like "my rom" which you could only REALLY say if you built it from google source, which you obviously can't do. I sincerely hope liquid reported you to the Scotsman, and appropriate action is taken. you = sick. me = sickened.
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i said in my rom's thread that it was based of nfx rom and i gave him credit, i said what i did. i didn't do what i did with liquid's rom, two completely different things... il Duce ik i screwed up with this rom and again i won't be making any mess ups like this again (me = thinking before my actions from now on xda) sorry
LiquidSolstice said:
it's not even as though I would have minded him PMing me first or even do what Jasonmaloney did (posting it as a reply in the original thread )
My rom (I say that very loosely) is based on nfx, but only with full permission from nfinite and on popular request. Even further I credited (with permission ) anyone who helped in testing or debugging, and that is the proper thing to do.
I'm just disappointed. that's the worst of it.
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again my apologies are given to you, do you accept? i know i screwed up big time bro....smh big mistake here
33hfl said:
LS should be out of this and not to be so ofended or asking for any recognition about what someone did when he walked away from his own ROM.He sould thank this guy for finish what he started and never finished after a lot of promess and excuses
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no bro i screwed up...i can't even agree to anything you just said b/c all i wanted to do was help
il Duce said:
oh my god you cannot be serious. smh
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read what i said
33hfl said:
go kifno good work
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good work = yes did i mess up? = HELL YEAH!
FdxRider said:
FORUM RULES12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
These rules apply to all software posted on XDA unless that software comes with a license that waives these rules.
Seek permission <---- What part of that do you or kifno not understand?
Doesn't matterr if it's been dormant for long time still LS's work. Follow the forum rules.
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i am reading and MEMORIZING the forum rules as of now
dpeeps74 said:
Oh man, I'm team Jacob!
Wait, wrong drama
~run, run, as fast as you can, can't catch me I'm the gingerbread man~
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lol wow
33hfl said:
I dont know why LS is crying right now when he wallked away from his own ROM after a lot of excuses and promises.he turned his back on his own son.He should thank this man for the woderful job done.Or he forgot his post.Kifno never took credit for what he was doing,he always gave it to LS
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i did give credit to him 3x throughout the post and said all i did was finish it as he planned to but i went about it wrong....
FdxRider said:
LMAO u sew funneeeeee! NOT!
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ik that was funny right?
jasonmaloney said:
Again with the hostility.
Folks, there is a report post button on every single post on this site. You would all do better to use it than to fill up the development forum with unnecessary drama.
Yes, it wasn't very smart to use LiquidSolstice's work without his permission AND to start a new thread for it with a misleadingly similar title. But the bickering and harassment isn't any more accepted by the rules, nor is it productive in any constructive way. It doesn't really matter who was originally right or wrong; this forum is getting flooded with way too much verbal diarrhea. This is not the XDA mantra.
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again i apologize for doing what i did to even create this drama....this wouldn't have happened if i did things the correct way....sorry
someonenewhere said:
What's the big deal?
The man gave LS credit and he said it "I'm just finishing what LS COULDN'T FINISH"
LS, if you don't want people to finish your ROM. Maybe YOU SHOULD TRY FINISHING YOUR ROM..
You left your ROM out there as a bastard child and that bastard child found a father to take care of it.
WHY CRY ABOUT IT?
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no no i went about things wrong i take full responsiblity for my mistake...sorry liquid
LiquidSolstice said:
Excellent contribution. It must be nice, sitting there just using other people's work and never really taking the time to find out how it all comes together. I'm sure you must be spoiled and basically taking all these custom ROMs you get for granted as most people seem to these days. Just a quick look at any tech blog concerning Android, and you'll find comments such as "oh I'm not worried, XDA will figure it out". People freeload off this place so willingly, paying nothing in either donation or even respect/appreciation (which is all most devs are looking for)
In the meantime, we'll just go with this; my rom = my rom. Whether or not I want to finish it, or whether or not I want it to be finished, or in this case, wehther or not I want someone else to do it, that would be my choice. I put in the hours, I put in the time, you did nothing.
I left the ROM because no one seemed to give a damn about it, and I'm finding out increasingly that I was very wrong about that. If you looked at Chef Central on the Main XDA Forum page, you'll find a few threads by me asking for help with the last bit of cooking, which was the kernel. I didn't notice that Kifno figured it out, and only realized what I needed to fo when jasonmaloney PMed me. I said I had every intention of making it stable, and I was indeed working on it.
Which means that it is my task and my right to put up the final update to my own ROM, not have someone else do it without even letting me know beforehand or asking me, and then posting my exact thread over again instead of PMing me the link to add it in the OP, and then telling me after the fact.
Kifno has already got in touch with me and we're working it out, you guys can relax now.
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again we talked things out and i'm sorry bro. and yes i may just be improving others work (the espreeso 2.1 rom i posted) and changing things, i never took full credit actually most of it goes to nfx b/c everyday i wake up he has a pm in my inbox helping me out with the espresso 2.1 rom, it wouldn't be where it is at without his help. only thing i can take full credit for is my build.prop's thats the only thing i actually did from my own work as for the espresso 2.1 rom that was from the help of many other members on this site, i never took full credit for that rom. i use the term my rom, when i refer to the espresso 2.1 rom, b/c i changed it, not b/c i developed it from scratch and did everything to it on my own, i'm not a super-dev yet lol. i'm just improving other's work and learning along the way and giving them credit and asking permission along the way from now on until i know enough to make something of my own again (besides text files lol) that will be of great help to the community....but for now i'm focuses on improving my rom (AGAIN IT ISN'T COMPLETELY MY ROM MANY OTHERS HELPED ME ALONG THE WAY) and helping others with their work for the hero and problems....first person on the list....liquid!!!!!! (we're pming each other now folks working this out for the better so its alright)
kevphan08 said:
So.....can we use the Rom or No.....Just seems like it was a mistake by the OP to reuse LS's unfinished work without permission, that obviously was a mistake, but if the rom is up and running and "stable" can we just not forgive and forget?
I'm just wondering, not taking a stance/side just a user asking a question.
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we're working on things right now...

You know what man, you're a smark kid, you just take things a bit fast.
You'll grow to understand what it means to command respect here, and I'm sure you'll earn it from everyone. This place is bursting with ideas and creativity, but just PM ROM devs in the future. Every ROM dev needs help, there's no denying that. Sometimes the help you have to offer isn't enough or isn't to their preference, but there's never any harm in PMing to find out.
As far as my ROM goes, with your help, we'll finish this up and finally put an end to all this over exaggerated madness.

E huuuuuuuuug
[dpeeps74]

I think we all learned something here (I sure did), and that's a positive.

Kifno:
I understand you're trying to help, but make it short and sweet. We don't need a full passive - aggressive rundown of events.
I think you would do a great service to yourself (and the people reading your long disjointed posts) if you learned to use some basic English language sentence structure. Your lack of punctuation and your paragraphs of run-on sentences makes you look uneducated and immature.
You're not a bad person, so please take this as constructive criticism.

Kifno,Way to walk this world in man's shoes! I have the most profound respect for you. Make a mistake and own up to it

FdxRider said:
Kifno,Way to walk this world in man's shoes! I have the most profound respect for you. Make a mistake and own up to it
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I AGREE with FDX.... RESPECT MAN!!
KIFNO, Admitted he was Wrong!!
That's Big in itself!! It's seems these days, People find it SO MUCH EASIER to just LIE, or BULL**** their way through MISTAKES and basically LIFE in general!
Kifno DIDN'T DO THAT! Instead he owned up to his MISTAKES....
"LIKE a MAN" Should do!
After the Fact, at the End of the Day, All that's Left to come to some sort RECONCILIATION is a TRUE from the HEART a APOLOGY!!
*Sent On My*
Fast as its Ever Been...
"Sprint" Hero... Running My, *ExpressoEnergyHero*ROM, KIFNO's Build.Prop.Tweek, & The XDA.BLUE.apk! "Page:10"of My Thread!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957867

Hey kifno
Sent from my HTC Hero CDMA using XDA App

U no tjsy myvrnhlo
Sent from my HTC Hero CDMA using XDA App

Wow man great job kifno. It's tough to own up in the face of so many people watching this, you're really just a good person beyond the scope of these forums. I'm proud to call you a fellow human being. I've been watching this escalate and deescalate and I must say it's been a roller coaster ride. I must say some people have been a bit harsher than they should have, but it's understandable when looked at from a different perspective. Kudos to you again.
I'm excited about how the ROM is moving forward at lightning speed right now. Note, LS, that I'm actually using your ROM right now (2.1 stable) and I llllllllooooove it! keep up the good work, I bet it's time-consuming and frustrating to look through and optimize so much code!
~ Jake

Thanks everyone
And I'm not a grammar freak lol I don't treat my post as essays I just type what comes to mind lol that's why my paragraph structure and grammar look bad on the forums just like this very long run on sentence but really constantly working, and school, and keeping 5 roms (mine and ls 4 builds) and my tweak up to date with fixes and new tweaks and optimizations is very time consuming and hard to fit all in one day lol but I just want to help the community and I plan on doing that the right way, LESSON LEARNED HERE, BTW look out for kifno & ls projects in the future

Don't worry about the Grammar police brother. They're pretty tamed here.
Keep up the excellent work! We grow through our mistakes; damn glad you took the initiative. Stay motivated!!!!

Many thanks!!
In the aftermath of all this stuff, I just want to say that truly I appreciate ALL the hard work that you devs put into keeping our Heroes from becoming paperweights. Just the small amount of work I've put into making my own themes for myself makes me appreciate the scope of talent and sheer blood, sweat, and tears it takes to make this stuff work.
ALL YOU DEVS ROCK!!!

oohaylima said:
Don't worry about the Grammar police brother. They're pretty tamed here.
Keep up the excellent work! We grow through our mistakes; damn glad you took the initiative. Stay motivated!!!!
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You forgot a comma between "police" and "brother". You have been warned. The next offence will result in more badgering.
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Sent from my CDMA Hero. I got some hot Gingerbread-on-Hero action here!

Lol Ya got me cop'er.

user7618 said:
You forgot a comma between "police" and "brother". You have been warned. The next offence will result in more badgering.
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Lol.... Good **** Guys, Gotta Nice Laugh Outta Me!!
*Sent on My*
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"Sprint" Hero.... Running My, *ExpressoEnergyHero* ROM, KIFNO's Build.Prop.Tweek, & The XDA BLUE.apk!! "Page 10" of My Thread!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957867

user7618 said:
You forgot a comma between "police" and "brother". You have been warned. The next offence will result in more badgering.
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Uh oh better watch out for that Guy glad to see everyone getting along and joking with each other

kifno said:
Uh oh better watch out for that Guy glad to see everyone getting along and joking with each other
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Lol, I'm Not Really Sure Why?
But, For Some Reason, It Seems like Some of us Rather Stray Away from the Joking Level, to Instead be Uptight and Insulting!????
Especially when the Majority of us (Members) are Mainly Here to Learn, and Share Knowledge that these ****y Phone Companies Don't want us to Know!!
*Sent on My*
Fast as its Ever Been....
"Sprint" Hero.... Running My, *ExpressoEnergyHero* ROM, KIFNO's Build.Prop.Tweek, & The XDA BLUE.apk!! "Page 10" of My Thread!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957867
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WTMLMK6M
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/profile?user=PMGRANDS

PMGRANDS said:
Lol, I'm Not Really Sure Why?
But, For Some Reason, It Seems like Some of us Rather Stray Away from the Joking Level, to Instead be Uptight and Insulting!????
Especially when the Majority of us (Members) are Mainly Here to Learn, and Share Knowledge that these ****y Phone Companies Don't want us to Know!!
*Sent on My*
Fast as its Ever Been....
"Sprint" Hero.... Running My, *ExpressoEnergyHero* ROM, KIFNO's Build.Prop.Tweek, & The XDA BLUE.apk!! "Page 10" of My Thread!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957867
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WTMLMK6M
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/profile?user=PMGRANDS
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*LIGHTS AND SIRENS*
Sir, I'm here to confiscate your shift key, and for good measure I'll need your caps lock, too. Capital letters are a privilege, not a right. Don't abuse them.
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user7618 said:
*LIGHTS AND SIRENS*
Sir, I'm here to confiscate your shift key, and for good measure I'll need your caps lock, too. Capital letters are a privilege, not a right. Don't abuse them.
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lmao! --> extra characters because my message was too short.

Naming/Calling in Development session

I would like to suggest for naming/calling in Development session.
As we all known that Z, J, Trip, Wolfbreak and 28spawn have their own successes.
Z has succeed his stable Froyo 2.2 rom and camera.
J is porting CM7 Gingerbread.
Trip has ported his own rom
Wolfbreak has succeeded in camcorder for 2.2 and his stable rom CM6.1.3 which was based on Froyo 2.2.
28spawn is good at tweaking camera and camcorder qualities.
Can we give clap for them? Yes, we can call them real developers. I am really appreciating their works.
However, I have seen some people are copying sources from others, just changing themes, changing launcher which can get free from Market, a little bit of tweaking and they called/named it to rom/firmware.
Can we give a name such as Changing Launchers or Changing Themes or Updating rather than naming/calling new ROM/Firmware?
Well, I am not a developer. I believed that everyone can understand what I meant.
This thread is just a suggestion.

Agree on everything except Trip.
That loser doesn't belong in any section with 'Development' in it's title.

javagreen said:
Agree on everything except Trip.
That loser doesn't belong in any section with 'Development' in it's title.
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That's why I didn't mention "Succeed".

javagreen said:
Agree on everything except Trip.
That loser doesn't belong in any section with 'Development' in it's title.
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Ahahahahahahahaa +10
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javagreen said:
Agree on everything except Trip.
That loser doesn't belong in any section with 'Development' in it's title.
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Wow.
What do you have against him?

People are adding a launcher onto someone else's rom and then having the audacity to ask for donations....
As for trip, nice universal radio and fully working gingerbread rom... Wait, those never happened?

javagreen said:
Agree on everything except Trip.
That loser doesn't belong in any section with 'Development' in it's title.
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People like you are probably the reason he hasnt uploaded anything. Pretty sure Trip was the one to port MiUi and the first to port Arc and other devs have attested that he has provided sources and other assistance. Just because he never fixed every bug in the ROMs he worked on for no compensation in his spare time and then quit posting when everyone started flaming him and his threads were closed. None of the devs is obligated to do any of this work for you. Quit the unnecessary flaming, trip has done more for this community than you ever will. I haven't seen you upload any ROMs be they complete or otherwise. And Im sure if his unified radio is ever released you'll be flashing it just like everyone else. A project like his radio isn't something that can be done overnight especially when you factor in many of the devs are busy with their own lives and work. After seeing the trash you and other ungrateful self inflated asses have posted here I wouldn't freely share my work here if I was him either.
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CMoney87 said:
People like you are probably the reason he hasnt uploaded anything. Pretty sure Trip was the one to port MiUi and the first to port Arc and other devs have attested that he has provided sources and other assistance. Just because he never fixed every bug in the ROMs he worked on for no compensation in his spare time and then quit posting when everyone started flaming him and his threads were closed. None of the devs is obligated to do any of this work for you. Quit the unnecessary flaming, trip has done more for this community than you ever will. I haven't seen you upload any ROMs be they complete or otherwise. And Im sure if his unified radio is ever released you'll be flashing it just like everyone else. A project like his radio isn't something that can be done overnight especially when you factor in many of the devs are busy with their own lives and work. After seeing the trash you and other ungrateful self inflated asses have posted here I wouldn't freely share my work here if I was him either.
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I have to agree. Anyone of you who thinks that trip is not competant then please go ahead and build us some roms perhaps you could finish where he left off, i bet a lot of us here will be damn right happy. Trip has already stated his reason for being off most of the time. But you guys still flame him. Sadly this is usually what happens
Dev does things people are happy, devs stops for awhile people either forget him or flame him.
HE DOESNT DO THIS AS A FULL TIME JOB!! even if we crave for some bug fixes or something new from the devs, anyone of them. We must remember that they have their lives just like us and not some guy sitting infront of the com 24 hours 7 days a week just to get your thanks and maybe a few bucks of donation.
As for people calling themselves devs and asking for donation by changing some things and stuff. Well i cannot say it is wrong but donations are based on the satisfaction of the benefactor. So if his tweaks, even if its small, satisfies the benefactor then the donations is fine. Thats the whole point of donations basically. And i believe if they are using other roms they should either link or give credit.
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tryantar said:
I have to agree. Anyone of you who thinks that trip is not competant then please go ahead and build us some roms perhaps you could finish where he left off, i bet a lot of us here will be damn right happy. Trip has already stated his reason for being off most of the time. But you guys still flame him. Sadly this is usually what happens
Dev does things people are happy, devs stops for awhile people either forget him or flame him.
HE DOESNT DO THIS AS A FULL TIME JOB!! even if we crave for some bug fixes or something new from the devs, anyone of them. We must remember that they have their lives just like us and not some guy sitting infront of the com 24 hours 7 days a week just to get your thanks and maybe a few bucks of donation.
As for people calling themselves devs and asking for donation by changing some things and stuff. Well i cannot say it is wrong but donations are based on the satisfaction of the benefactor. So if his tweaks, even if its small, satisfies the benefactor then the donations is fine. Thats the whole point of donations basically. And i believe if they are using other roms they should either link or give credit.
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That may all be true, but I can understand the flaming directed towards him. As I recall, Trip started many projects without successfully completing any. And then being a dev, one should welcome criticism, which Trip did not. Instead he momentarily stopped working on selected projects inorder to "punish" the critics. Can you really blame people for the flaming directed towards him?
I like his ROMs. Just wish that he had completed them.
Edit: I take back everything I had said. With all his latest work, he is an awesome dev!

javagreen said:
Agree on everything except Trip.
That loser doesn't belong in any section with 'Development' in it's title.
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\o/ #WIN xD

CMoney87 said:
People like you are probably the reason he hasnt uploaded anything. Pretty sure Trip was the one to port MiUi and the first to port Arc and other devs have attested that he has provided sources and other assistance. Just because he never fixed every bug in the ROMs he worked on for no compensation in his spare time and then quit posting when everyone started flaming him and his threads were closed. None of the devs is obligated to do any of this work for you. Quit the unnecessary flaming, trip has done more for this community than you ever will. I haven't seen you upload any ROMs be they complete or otherwise. And Im sure if his unified radio is ever released you'll be flashing it just like everyone else. A project like his radio isn't something that can be done overnight especially when you factor in many of the devs are busy with their own lives and work. After seeing the trash you and other ungrateful self inflated asses have posted here I wouldn't freely share my work here if I was him either.
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tryantar said:
I have to agree. Anyone of you who thinks that trip is not competant then please go ahead and build us some roms perhaps you could finish where he left off, i bet a lot of us here will be damn right happy. Trip has already stated his reason for being off most of the time. But you guys still flame him. Sadly this is usually what happens
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Without going into the intricacies, try telling that to people who actually donated to "Trip". You two are probably among those, I suspect.
Happy "Trip"ping
pngface said:
Wow.
What do you have against him?
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Quite the same thing you have against Geohot.
One's a media whore, the other is a farce.

No i havent but whether or not he abandoned them because of critics is not the point. Every dev have their own reasons, he may have his own for not completing them. And why should one flame him then? Without him we wouldnt have most of what we have . you may argue u dont use them but others do. He contributed something to the community unlike some flamers who flame but nothing is coming from them in return. Im emphasising on the stuff he did finish. Why look at the wrongs when there are countless possibilities with the rights?
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I think the trip argument is boring now. Its over with now, so many posts already on the subject.
Shall we all just put it behind us now and move on. We're all grown up, s here.
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If you are a developer you should accept criticism especially bad ones. Big headed devs dont have any place here. This is a community thread right (sharing and everything).
Even forum rules states it.
I remember on trips thread that a member wants to have his source but as i expected trip didnt reply.
Selfish people dont belong here.
Im not a dev right, but all i can give is help others problems that i have encountered and share some solutions.
Triping for ever. Lol.
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hey guys,
This tread is just for the people who are putting sugar on other developer's succeed and getting donation from people.
And if you can not finish your project, PLEASE don't put on Development session.
So nobody can blame to you.
Cheers!

x10b said:
If you are a developer you should accept criticism especially bad ones. Big headed devs dont have any place here. This is a community thread right (sharing and everything).
Even forum rules states it.
I remember on trips thread that a member wants to have his source but as i expected trip didnt reply.
Selfish people dont belong here.
Im not a dev right, but all i can give is help others problems that i have encountered and share some solutions.
Triping for ever. Lol.
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Absolutely right, all trip ever did was masked in secrecy, he never openly shared with other devs like J or Z, the ported radio is an example where J is clearly asking Trip for some openness and to share work.
Also I seem to remember he got upset because his links got taken down even though they contained warez.
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Ahh whatever let the man himself fight for his rights after this laahh... im bored of defending him. I will make a this one more post on the trip topic. And why not we just stop flaming him for now and at least he will back give us a good explaination for his actions. And dont get started on we dont want him back posts. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE anybody replying to this and saying that YOU do not want him back. I mean it. Im frustrated facing a wall of people that would just flame. Not everybody has those good and awesome moral values u want as the perfect dev. I can imagine how he feels now. And i bet just when he stops some of his projects people by the truckload starts flaming him. Id be frustrated and feel that this community isnt proper for me. If the devs should have those awesome value we as the community needs to have them too. SO FREAKING STOP FLAMING FML
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and all those who hate devs, suck big time

well,i have been visiting xda for many months now,i really appreciate the excellent work done by devs ,but then this mod editand few other people come out and start shouting on the devs that they are not doing anything good or better,well i hate these kinds of people and i want the moderator or chairman or whoever runs xda developers site to thr mod editkind of people who demoralize devs out of this site and block them so they don't come back again to participate in the forums,they are a shame to devs society

They criticise the dev's work but they are the first to use their work lol

silentw said:
They criticise the dev's work but they are the first to use their work lol
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yeh is always the way lol want all new stuff but refuse to learn to how to make stuff, i would start to learn but i have no idea where to start XD i think dev are going a great job, we have custom rom's, emulated dual touch and soon ip tables (bring on the wifi hot spot) and all while working on boot loader bypass.

treebill said:
yeh is always the way lol want all new stuff but refuse to learn to how to make stuff, i would start to learn but i have no idea where to start XD i think dev are going a great job, we have custom rom's, emulated dual touch and soon ip tables (bring on the wifi hot spot) and all while working on boot loader bypass.
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The devs are giving all their efforts to make X8 a greatest cellphone, and they are in the good way! Thanks devs!

+1 to block this kind of people
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yeah some action must be taken

Subject: some members
Type: impatient unreasonable kind of people
Description:
These people exist in every bit of this miracle called Internet.
Behaviour:
Their behaviour is very simple. It can be written as scenic text.
[subject desperately wants something for his/her phone/something. comes to forum]
S(ubject): Y'ALL SUCX NOT BRINGING ANYTHING TO SCENE Y'ALL SHOULD BE BANNED WHEN WILL NEW KERNAL APPEAR YA N00BZ.
[developers come in to defend themselves]
D(evs): hi, chill down, we're making progress, we have our own life too, it will come
S: YA SUCX. I LEAVE THIS FORUM. ALL LIAR SELFISH BASTARDS.
[dev release new "kernal". big red letters say "this is alpha. do not report bugs. only for devs. do not spam this thread"]
S: YA FAGGET, MORON, WHY THIS NOT WORKS THAT NOT WORKS, WHY ALPHA, YA SHOULD HURRY I WAIT FOR THIS TOO LONG, IF YA CANT MAKE IT WHY EVEN BE HERE
[dev release final 100% working kernal version. again "do not spam"]
S: WOW SIR MASTAR YA AMAZEING SOO COULL WHEN NEW KERNAL 2.6.90 BE RELEASE YA KNEW, GOOD WORK BUT THIS TOO MUCH OUTDATED YA MUST SWITCH TO NEW KERNAL
[and so on]
~~~
Analyst: Blagus
EOF

@blagus
LOL, I like your analysis
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You people are IDIOTS. I DON'T HATE DEVS! All I said was there are few devs. That's all. NOW STOP SPAMMING YOU ****ING TROLLS!
EDIT: Read all the damn threds and you'll see my opionions about them.
@blagus I hope your not reffering to me, I NEVER had such behaiviour.

Here is what I see:
You are posting negative opinion about some devs (like you said) and complaining about x8 development progress, and lot of people don't like it. And then you call them idiot, stupid, etc. It's just make it worst because they think that you spread negative influence and demoralize devs and x8 users. So why don't you just say sorry and we all make a peace, honor for the dev's work, wait and hope the best for x8 development, OK...
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@blagus I hope your not reffering to me, I NEVER had such behaiviour.
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no, that's definitively not you. however, you made mistake by saying something that feels like this behaviour and of course, people will react. how would you feel if you were dev like racht and someone came to your thread saying something like "i dont see much/any progress (lately)"... of course you would be at least a little bit pissed off, which would lead to piss-off chain reaction similar to the one in atomic bomb
i think that we can forgive him this, at least because it his approach wasn't so aggressive as sometimes it is (take a look at, for example, i9000 development, at some places you'll find people fitting in my analysis)...
because this fight won't bring us anything but negative energy and feeling accross the forum, making it even worse... although i'd really love to be admin and ban forever everyone who seems to be debbie-downer...
this is just a friendly post
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i don't care about captain zap or anyone whether they have slightly or hugely demoralized devs ,the bottom line is that if these kind of more people succeed in demoralizing devs hugely then we won't be having any new innovation from devs,so its necessary to set a big example for those people who criticize devs once and for all ,

these people like captain zap are not worth to be a part of xda!

/thread Your *****ing won't get you nowhere. You people are just stupid spoiled brats that have nothing else to do than blame me for the lack of updates from the devs. Last time I answer to kids, from now on you'll be ignored. THIS FORUM IS A PLACE FOR GROWN-UPS WHO KNOW HOW TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

Don't feed the troll... It 'll go away eventually...

i think this thread shouldn't be started at the first place. kinda flaming captain zap. everyone doesn't like what he did/say in development section. come on, leave it.
agree with argpsi ^^ there

The devs are doing a good job.They put their efforts on ROM and modules developing.We should give them thanks and the devs will feel that their efforts are not useless. Remember,they are not doing careers,they are just like volunteers only.
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Peace, don't be such a kid,
why saying irrational words man?
see, this kind of attitudes are not for "grown ups"
grown ups tend to act accordingly without saying "*****es" "Idiots" and "****ing Troll"
hey, i think this is what a kiddo does.
anyway. Pls stop this flaming thingy,

CaptainZap said:
You people are IDIOTS. I DON'T HATE DEVS! All I said was there are few devs. That's all. NOW STOP SPAMMING YOU ******* TROLLS!
EDIT: Read all the damn threds and you'll see my opionions about them.
@blagus I hope your not reffering to me, I NEVER had such behaiviour.
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...when someone is developing something and give it to the comunity, we just dont have the right to citisize him.
...I dont know if this threat is right to exist...
Blagus talked about real things that happend, not for someone that might hate devs.
Anyone who want more devs, grap a book and start reading linux programing (see you in 2 years).
Most people that insolt devs are some 13- years old boys that dont know anything about programming.
(Some times post meaning are translated wrong and we got wrong results about that people say.
To those how hate devs: Stop talking about devs and think how many people you have helped...0 ....and... you want medical help my friend...)
Dont attack to Capten Zap, ok he did a mistake but he did it only onse and it wasnot so serius...
...CAN WE FORGET THIS THREAT?..

.when someone is developing something and give it to the comunity, we just dont have the right to citisize him.
...I dont know if this threat is right to exist...
Blagus talked about real things that happend, not for someone that might hate devs.
Anyone who want more devs, grap a book and start reading linux programing (see you in 2 years).
Most people that insolt devs are some 13- years old boys that dont know anything about programming.
(Some times post meaning are translated wrong and we got wrong results about that people say.
To those how hate devs: Stop talking about devs and think how many people you have helped...
+1 to your comment,thats exactly what i want to say

Kholk Quit by the looks of it.. thanks guys..

To all those wondering what Kholk has been up too lately, this is what I came back to find in the IRC chat after going AFK..
* kholk ([email protected] IP/kholk) has joined #moto-atrix
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<kholk> re.
<AstainHellbring> hi
<kholk> hi AstainHellbring
<kholk> I'm here only to say a fast thing
<kholk> about those morons that are constantly attacking me
<kholk> well, I hope in this channel there's still a logbot
<kholk> but if there isn't, someone'll make them to see what I'm writing
<kholk> anyway
<kholk> dedicated to the guys that are constantly attacking me:
<kholk> 1. You're only morons, if only you'd know 1/800 of the things that I've done, you'd be the king of the world now.
<kholk> 2. If that's a "Thank you for working on the Atrix for months, night and day", you should say it in a different way. Really.
<kholk> 3. Really, I don't know how to explain what I want to say to you, but.. only bad words.
<kholk> 4. Enjoy without me.
<kholk> Goodbye!
* kholk ([email protected] IP/kholk) has left #moto-atrix
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DarkRyoushii said:
To all those wondering what Kholk has been up too lately, this is what I came back to find in the IRC chat after going AFK..
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He has also tweeted he is working on other phones still naming the project eternity. I really never seen anything from him but words, no results. Im not sad.

Great! Now we have lost a great dev because of a few assholes! Yes, we do still have great devs and with those devs, we will be ok. However, kholk has put a lot of work into the atrix and this is how we thank him? By running him away. He would have been a great contributor to the atrix! Just look at some other phones he has made ROMs and kernels for! He truly is a great dev and now he won't even be helping us! And I hope kholk sees this and comes back. These devs need to know that we appreciate then or they leave, like this! Everyone who appreciates the things he has done so far, comment here, show him we appreciate it and maybe, just maybe hell come back.
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SMH to all those who just have negative comments about everything... Did you pay a membership fee to join XDA?.... Didn't think so, therefore there should be less complaining and moaning and more "Keep your mouth shut". This is not directed at just those who bad mouth Kholk but at those who bad mouth everything that happens on this site.
If you want something done and it is not happening in a manner in which you would "LIKE" it done, then become a developer you lazy moochers. Other then that you should have complete patience as the developers here owe no one person anything. If you donated and you feel it was a waste, then why did you donate? better off with out the lot of you IMO who are always saying, "whats the status on the bootloader?", "When is CM7 being ported?", Why did I donate to see zero results?".. I don't know, why did you donate? hahah

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Great! Now we have lost a great dev because of a few assholes! Yes, we do still have great devs and with those devs, we will be ok. However, kholk has put a lot of work into the atrix and this is how we thank him? By running him away. He would have been a great contributor to the atrix! Just look at some other phones he has made ROMs and kernels for! He truly is a great dev and now he won't even be helping us! And I hope kholk sees this and comes back. These devs need to know that we appreciate then or they leave, like this! Everyone who appreciates the things he has done so far, comment here, show him we appreciate it and maybe, just maybe hell come back.
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Yes I have seen his other ROMS, but that does not help us here. I guess that tenfar, Sograth, eval_, unknown_, Edgan, The2dCour and many others have not done anything as amazing as kholk's work for the Atrix. O PLEASE COME BACK.

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SMH to all those who just have negative comments about everything... Did you pay a membership fee to join XDA?.... Didn't think so, therefore there should be less complaining and moaning and more "Keep your mouth shut". This is not directed at just those who bad mouth Kholk but at those who bad mouth everything that happens on this site.
If you want something done and it is not happening in a manner in which you would "LIKE" it done, then become a developer you lazy moochers. Other then that you should have complete patience as the developers here owe no one person anything. If you donated and you feel it was a waste, then why did you donate? better off with out the lot of you IMO who are always saying, "whats the status on the bootloader?", "When is CM7 being ported?", Why did I donate to see zero results?".. I don't know, why did you donate? hahah
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Stated like a pro! Your exactly correct! Kholk is only going to be the first to go if people don't straighten up! The atrix has taken a long time to be unlocked. A lot of devs are already working on phones that came unlocked that are already out! Don't push the great devs that we have now away! Also, I do believe this belongs in the dev section, the general section and every other atrix section! People need to express their gratitude and the devs need to see that they are greatly appreciated!
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wow that really is too bad...
It's a shame a dev can be attacked like that by so many...its even more of a shame that a dev ( as hard as it can be ) can take all of those attacks to heart so much that they actually abandon their projects.
Sometimes dev forums can be like high school yes, however we are (mostly) adults here and insults and attacks should only be taken with a grain of salt... although some members can be huge troll's there does need to be some level of thick skinned'ness as an adult and some of us DO need to learn to let the majority of insults and attacks roll off of your back.
This is the real world folks and there are thousands of members in the Atrix community alone that don't understand how to code and program. As a result there will be harsh words spoken and as immature as they are you need to learn to let go.
There truly are more members here that aren't trolling and are extremely great-full for the work that devs put in since us (real) adults know that we would never be able to understand what and how you do things.
It's disappointing that he is no longer involved because of being perhaps a little sensitive to criticism and i hope kholk reads this so that he may come back with the understanding that there are just deuchbags in this world and there is nothing we can do about it and i think this goes for all dev's on any phone in any forum.
Kholk thank you for very much for your hard work that you put in. Know that it has not gone un-appreciated. There are just more people that appreciate it than don't.
On that note i end this rant in the hopes that more dev's don't jump ship due simply to the fact that there are people in this world that either simply don't have nice things to say, don't understand how difficult coding is and don't appreciate the hard work...
If you aren't good with criticism then perhaps you don't belong in a community where sharing your work is expected.
cheers

Well, as far as I can tell, kholk talked a lot about what he was working on but I don't know what he has accomplished. I'm not saying he accomplished nothing, I just have no idea what he actually did. From the results produced by the other devs for this phone, I am happy with the results and can suffer a tantrum.

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Yes I have seen his other ROMS, but that does not help us here. I guess that tenfar, Sograth, eval_, unknown_, Edgan, The2dCour and many others have not done anything as amazing as kholk's work for the Atrix. O PLEASE COME BACK.
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I never said that! I have told every one of them that I appreciate what they have done! Everything each of them has done is great! I am saying that we need every dev we can get! I am not saying that kholk is any better than any of those guys. I am saying that we could have benefited from his developments. I, for one, don't want to see any of our devs go. EVERY ONE of then are great to have and do amazing things with such a complex device!
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I never said that! I have told every one of them that I appreciate what they have done! Everything each of them has done is great! I am saying that we need every dev we can get! I am not saying that kholk is any better than any of those guys. I am saying that we could have benefited from his developments. I, for one, don't want to see any of our devs go. EVERY ONE of then are great to have and do amazing things with such a complex device!
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My point being is this. Alot of our community has put Kholk on this high pedestal. He gave us tidbits of information on things he was working on, but no results. I know its free (blah blah blah), but when you offer anything up, you should except criticism.

Everyone please take note. The majority of the criticism directed towards kholk was not from the screaming masses and idiots on xda, but from very well respected people in this community. If you have been on IRC, you know who I am talking about. I don't know if that changes anything in your eyes, but this is not an example of trolls driving a dev out.
Kholks problem was that he simply promised too much and didn't deliver. He asked for money as though his projects were mostly or partially complete, but never actually published them. I don't doubt that he is intelligent, he simply overreached himself on the ATRIX, and the community after a very long time, did backlash against him.
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Very sad indeed :-(

Yeah, I have no idea who this guy is... nuff' said?
I've been happy with the devs producing results in this forum. I tip my hat to you.
EDIT: I just did a little research and found his contributions. He was providing valuable information and I retract my earlier statement. We all hope you return Kholk.

He folded based on the words of morons.
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Well, that's a bit disheartening.
We'll miss you Kholk.

One more reason for me to grab the Nexus "Prime" when it drops in the Fall. Don't get me wrong I love my Atrix (my first Android phone) & I like helping people on this forum and contributing where u can. But if the Nexus goes AT&T, then I go too... On topic now, I am sorry to see any dev leave b/c of petty remarks. Kholk, you will be missed.
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You wanna know what kholk was doing for the atrix community, ill show you!
(if you install any of this and break your phone please dont go bothering the devs that are ACTUALLY WORKING hard to get stuff for your atrix)
kholks OC kernels, and kexec kernels based on the oldest 1.2.6 source available.
http://www.4shared.com/file/KgYP7x60/kholkskernels.html?
kholks UART work! clearly unfinish, as well as clearly unwilling to help another dev to finish it, with his amazing, IM NOT AT HOME! excuse, everyone is so use to listening
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081743
kholks CM7 and Gentto webtop
oh yeah, he claimed to have it but never release it.
theres people daily, working there ass off, who never ask for donation, never claim nothing they coudnt do, all day everyday working their ass off, kholk is not needed! so stop whining kholk is gone, and wheep the money he stole from y'all. he may have done awesome on other phones, but here in the atrix comunity, he was a thief.
kholks < desingears, Edgan, eval-, The2dCour, Sogarth, fenrir, etc etc
BTW THIS POST CLEARLY BELONGS TO GENERAL!

I don't like the ingrates and morons, but the internet is the thunderdome. If you can't take the heat then leave. He can be melodramatic all he wants.
It's a shame that he was a great dev though. Maybe he'll man up in the future but I'm not going to lick his balls because he's having a big fuss fuss. We can all remember this in the future too. Be respectful to the devs rather than chasing them away. I don't even post in this section anymore unless I have a burning question. Everyone goes completely off topic and flames each other constantly.

I'm sick of seeing threads like this in the developer section. By all means this is a general section thread.
Yes, sad to see him go.
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Seriously, most of the attacks were fun **** talking between boredom on irc. Be a man kholk not a mouse. Never would of thought he was such a fragile little biznitch. Im besides myself. Kholk is a true hustler.
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RESPECT!!!

PLEASE!!!I JUST WANT TO SAY every devs were here to help us !!but they dont have to help us they can enjoy every thing theirself !!!dev a rom isnt easy so just give them respect and enjoy their works~
sorry for my bad english...

some are just not mature enough to learn "Respect" and dev's also a human who need to have a life too.

i just dont get it.... why is so many people wnt to get their thing but without any greatfulnes and keep pushing the devs ...I hope DX will return for us ...i love his work so much -.-.....

+1 respect the devs, people are starting to make threads about saying to the devs to hurry up with there work. be patient, if you want a rom at your own time, they you should try making a rom.

Just look in the "how old are you" topic. It explains everything about that rude behaviour that broke out in some topic. 90% of the people are less than 18 years old here, no wonder that the x8 threads are dying because of some unbelievably stupid men who don't even realize what should go on here... Naturally, respect for the other forumers of course. I myself got ashamed because of some ppl. Argh, I'm a littlebit angry now...
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DX, Racth, FXP, KuyaGaol, Indonesian Devs they are still developing/cooking ROMs because it is there passion or hobby. But not anymore here in XDA. People who tried to help in the development will more likely get an update to there ROMs. The reason why respect never exist on some people its because of there selfishness they are full of mouths and idea but intelectually incapacitated so there obsessions make them push dev as if they paid them.

deedii said:
DX, Racth, FXP, KuyaGaol, Indonesian Devs they are still developing/cooking ROMs because it is there passion or hobby. But not anymore here in XDA. People who tried to help in the development will more likely get an update to there ROMs. The reason why respect never exist on some people its because of there selfishness they are full of mouths and idea but intelectually incapacitated so there obsessions make them push dev as if they paid them.
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Hey could you give links to their site pretty please?+5 btw
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They dont have site. Indonesian devs release there ROMS is indonesian FB Community. ICS Dev Team is for private persons only..

People that are always complaining and asking the devs for rushing the work will also be asking for the links of their private communities, so they can go there and start asking the same things..
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Those devs also have life... not just making roms..!!! f......
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Asycid said:
Just look in the "how old are you" topic. It explains everything about that rude behaviour that broke out in some topic. 90% of the people are less than 18 years old here, no wonder that the x8 threads are dying because of some unbelievably stupid men who don't even realize what should go on here... Naturally, respect for the other forumers of course. I myself got ashamed because of some ppl. Argh, I'm a littlebit angry now...
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you're right, im under 18 actually under 14 but i respect the devs and the devs work, they do have a personal life, but due to some morons round here even fxp and ratch have left us, were lucky doixanh is still here
thanks for your brilliant roms and works doixanh

deedii said:
DX, Racth, FXP, KuyaGaol, Indonesian Devs they are still developing/cooking ROMs because it is there passion or hobby. But not anymore here in XDA. People who tried to help in the development will more likely get an update to there ROMs. The reason why respect never exist on some people its because of there selfishness they are full of mouths and idea but intelectually incapacitated so there obsessions make them push dev as if they paid them.
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They dont have site. Indonesian devs release there ROMS is indonesian FB Community. ICS Dev Team is for private persons only..
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While it is nice to know that doixanh may be continuing developing GingerDX inside his Indonesian community I find it very discomforting that we now have to jump through an array of hoops to _maybe_ get an update for the ROM - thanks to unthankful, and highly disgusting, ill mannered kids who should actually be forbidden to run wild as they please on the Internet (and also thanks to moderators who fail their job to have a look at what's going on and enforcing rules at misbehaviour).
While I switched to the SGS Galaxy S2 as my main phone now I will actually keep the X8 because I had to buy the new phone with a brand new SIM therefore new phone number, so I would be interested in ROM updates if there will be any.
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Just look in the "how old are you" topic. It explains everything about that rude behaviour that broke out in some topic. 90% of the people are less than 18 years old here, no wonder that the x8 threads are dying because of some unbelievably stupid men who don't even realize what should go on here... Naturally, respect for the other forumers of course. I myself got ashamed because of some ppl. Argh, I'm a littlebit angry now...
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You have no idea how right you are, Asycid. You have my deep sincere sympathy - I actually feel highly ashamed about the display of epically ill mannered behaviour which took place - and I actually detest the people involved in the bust up for driving one of the best developers away from here.
But then, they got what they asked for. I understand doixanh's decision perfectly ... he simply doesn't need to put up with it as he simply didn't deserve being insulted by a bunch of np-brainers.
Anyway, I think it was all for the better. They wrecked the experience for their phones themselves - I just hope they lack the allowance to move on to other, better, devices so they can't continue their quest to wreck this place.

simple (for me)
RESPECT = just shut up and hit THANKS or DONATE for devs who make our device better

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While it is nice to know that doixanh may be continuing developing GingerDX inside his Indonesian community I find it very discomforting that we now have to jump through an array of hoops to _maybe_ get an update for the ROM - thanks to unthankful, and highly disgusting, ill mannered kids who should actually be forbidden to run wild as they please on the Internet (and also thanks to moderators who fail their job to have a look at what's going on and enforcing rules at misbehaviour).
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thats true, like i said in my other post, were lucky we still have dx,
i am a kid but i dont like to be pushy, ill mannered etc. i like to help people and not make them upset. whoever it is from a junior memeber to a developer you should always respect them!
-wilbso

I'll leave this thread open untill i'll see some stupid flame wars, trolls or whatever.Then i'll close it.

Since X8 Forum is being trolled and spamed 24/7 i'll just wait patiently and wait until a dev get's really pissed off about this... Thare are more threads like this. Please just be quiet and have a merry little chrismas!​