Hello Xda this is my first post ever. Im very interested in trying out putting android operating systems on my kindle fire. pretty up to date on news about developments on the kindle fire. example "Jelly bean, ICS etc" I have some questions if anyone has the free time. Just basic stuff some more complex so i will give this a try.
Most of my questions regard "Jelly Bean 4.1 on Kindle fire"
When installed will all the games, apps, etc work like on any other tablet? What should i expect when installing such early builds currently available?
How is the battery life, does having Jelly bean drain the battery. should i expect decent use per charge?
Would you say performance on a stock kindle is better then having say Jelly bean or ICS?
Will any app install from google play store on this custom jelly bean built? is there limitations i should be concerned about. possible glitches maybe? i know its early.
Will i have the ability to go back to stock kindle fire if i do not want to use jelly bean anymore?
Will the device itself charge via USB or Plug in wall while operating jelly bean?
Is there any major features in jelly bean that wont work due to it being a custom work? "maybe a stupid question"
What would you say the benefits are for having a custom android on the kindle fire including - Jelly Bean/ICS etc
Thanks very much and looking forward for more developments on Jelly bean for kindle fire. Also looking forward to reading more articles, and posts on xda.
When installed will all the games, apps, etc work like on any other tablet? What should i expect when installing such early builds currently available?
You should expect some stuff not to work. The KF is spoofed as a different device in the market in most ICS/JB roms which helps show more apps (that would otherwise be incompatible for the KF on 2.3) but may also cause issues, and personally all my apps worked and 90% of games have worked.
How is the battery life, does having Jelly bean drain the battery. should i expect decent use per charge?
Too early to tell, if we had to guess it's like ICS which drains a bit faster than the stock roms
Would you say performance on a stock kindle is better then having say Jelly bean or ICS?
Depends on what you mean by performance. Jelly Bean has butter (new UI tech) and once the hw codecs are in it should be very fluid. I find that it *feels* faster than on stock but that may be because of amazon's clunky skin
Will any app install from google play store on this custom jelly bean built? is there limitations i should be concerned about. possible glitches maybe? i know its early.
Expect glitches and limitations...it's beta at this point and even ics has issues
Will i have the ability to go back to stock kindle fire if i do not want to use jelly bean anymore?
You can always go back fairly easily (just flash the stock rom in recovery), or try dual booting
Will the device itself charge via USB or Plug in wall while operating jelly bean?
I haven't had success over usb, but plug in with stock charger (or another high amp one) works fine
Is there any major features in jelly bean that wont work due to it being a custom work? "maybe a stupid question"
there are features that don't work because of hardware - eg face unlock
What would you say the benefits are for having a custom android on the kindle fire including - Jelly Bean/ICS etc
very personal...i dual boot with modaco (a slightly modded stock) and jelly bean...i use modaco for amazony stuff (reading, prime video) and jb/ics for everything else...heck if you got it refurb like a lot of use you got a heck of a tablet for $139
Thanks very much and looking forward for more developments on Jelly bean for kindle fire. Also looking forward to reading more articles, and posts on xda.
experiment, read the ops, read through the full thread, give the devs some beer money, contribute, break your kf, fix it, and help others...that's what makes a great community...
When installed will all the games, apps, etc work like on any other tablet?
Lots of phone apps already don't work ideally on tablets,and even on ICS, much less JellyBean. Takes some time.
What should i expect when installing such early builds currently available?
This early build for the Kindle Fire is not ready for daily use, unlike the current ICS builds which really more or less are. I went back to the current Hashcode ICS nightly after an hour or so of playing with his amazing JB build. Wanted to watch a TV show from the MSNBC app.
How is the battery life, does having Jelly bean drain the battery. should i expect decent use per charge?
It might be charging, but don't even expect that to be working 100% yet, with accurate led and all. Hash hasn't finished re-writing the horrible mess that Amazon wrote as the charging code for ICS yet. Remember that the Kindle Fire cannot charge at all unless it is actually at least partially booted. Design issues. That said, watch for improvements via ICS work for both ICS and JB, because Hash is on it.
Would you say performance on a stock kindle is better then having say Jelly bean or ICS?
I'd say, "Hell No !"
Booting ICS (and even a little better even this early JellyBean) is like having finally really turned ON your Kindle Fire, like for the first time.
Like finally getting some use out of its second core. Really.
I don't know about benchmarks, but the actual user experience difference between stock Amazon and ICS is like night and Day. I was about to give my 85 yr old GMa my Kindle Fire and buy a Nexus7, but now, uh, well...neither have an HDMI port, so I am no longer sure it would be worth the additional money to buy a Nexus7, since ICS and soon JellyBean are running on the Fire I already own. Not knocking the Nexus7, but the Fire on ICS is pretty nice indeed. Prior to ICS, well, the Fire was ok for things like playing TapSafari and reading e-books and Netflix maybe.
Now - I'm going to keep it.
Will any app install from google play store on this custom jelly bean built? is there limitations i should be concerned about. possible glitches maybe? i know its early.
Hardware limitations aside(no GPS, no Bluetooth, no 3G, no cameras) things that run on my Droid3 run on the Fire under ICS, so far. Limited testing, very limited yet. You are right, its early, too early. Maybe watch out for over-heating issues...
Will i have the ability to go back to stock kindle fire if i do not want to use jelly bean anymore?
If you can not figure out how to return to pure Amazon Stock, don't load ICS or Jellybean. You can though, excluding hardware failures. Use TWRP.
Will the device itself charge via USB or Plug in wall while operating jelly bean?
Plug in Wall with stock adapter (1.7 amp) yes, though it might not look like it is working yet. Charging through USB *should* work, slowly, depending on the power supplied by your USB connector. 0.5 Amp is the USB standard for USB2, and that is not much and a lot of USB ports don't even supply that much, so beware. You might be slowly running down your battery even with it plugged in via USB, depending on the port power supply and the demand on the Fire. And it might at this point be hard to tell.
What would you say the benefits are for having a custom android on the kindle fire including - Jelly Bean/ICS etc
For me it makes the Kindle Fire worth keeping, though not worth buying at $199. If I didn't already have a couple of Fires, I wouldn't buy one now since I could get a Nexus7 device for the same $199 retail list and the Nexus7 is a much better device. If you already have a Fire, you will want to ROM it to ICS or later Jellybean.
To basically agree with the first two posts...
When installed will all the games, apps, etc work like on any other tablet?
I know that hash's JB rom has everything working except for Google Now (not a critical app) and HW acceleration (which means no youtube or Netflix currently). CM9 ROM's that I've tried on the fire work very well, minus the occasional lag. Basically go to the development thread and take a look at what is/isn't working. That should help.
What should i expect when installing such early builds currently available?
Expect some instability, but most betas shouldn't have MAJOR issues, unless something completely unexpected happens (which it can). Alpha builds are more risky, flash at your own discretion.
How is the battery life, does having Jelly bean drain the battery. should i expect decent use per charge?
Jelly Bean so far has decent battery life, but can be increased by using SetCPU to underclock the device when screen is off, certain apps used, etc. JuiceDefender also supplies limited battery life extension, but IMO nothing to write home about. My previous CM9 ROM had somewhat poor battery life, depends on each ROM.
Would you say performance on a stock kindle is better then having say Jelly bean or ICS?
Pardon my language, but I think hot excrement would have better performance than the stock kindle UI. I got mine as a gift, so I can't complain too much, but I didn't realize what I was missing until I flashed a custom ROM. The Kindle functionality remains, you can still read books and access the Amazon App store if you so choose, so I'd say get the best of both worlds and flash a custom ROM.
Will any app install from google play store on this custom jelly bean built? is there limitations i should be concerned about. possible glitches maybe? i know its early
Since JB is so new, some apps have not been optimized for it yet. This applies to all JB devices, not just the KF. ICS should have no problem running apps, unless there is something in the ROM stopping it. From what I've seen in JB and ICS however, there is almost no app that consistently force closes (minus Google Earth in ICS roms). Give it a few weeks and most all major apps will run on JB no problem.
Will i have the ability to go back to stock kindle fire if i do not want to use jelly bean anymore?
Yes, and you should make sure that you can do so. Do your research if you haven't already, and download the Kindle Fire Utility. This allows you to permanently root the device, then flash a custom recovery and the FireFireFire bootloader. Once in recovery, make a backup of your current system before you do anything else. That way, if you hit a snag you can always revert to the old UI no problem. If this doesn't make sense, you haven't done enough research yet.
Will the device itself charge via USB or Plug in wall while operating jelly bean?
KF will charge when plugged into a wall outlet, however it will not appear to do so. The battery icon is sketchy in this department on both ICS and JB ROMs, but may be fixed soon. I wouldn't count on USB charging, although it may work occasionally. USB storage mounting is also currently not working, which sucks. But there are alternatives to moving files around (learn to use ADB or use a cloud storage app)
What would you say the benefits are for having a custom android on the kindle fire including - Jelly Bean/ICS etc
Essentially you are unleashing the true power of the KF. This is a great device, and is made much better by flashing custom ROMs IMO. Smoother experience, more apps available, you can sync a lot of things with your android phone and PC much easier, and the whole thing is 100% prettier. I was hesitant to flash at first as well, becoming comfortable with this kind of stuff takes a bit of time and research, but is absolutely worth it in the end. You will not regret it. The best part is, you can always go back if you don't like it, and you can try out as many ROM's as you like. My advice is to read through forums, threads, reviews, video reviews, anything you can get your hands on and then make a decision. It's intimidating at first I know, but you can do it, trust me. Good luck and happy flashing!
Thank you all very much for your thoughts and answers to my questions. Gave me a lot to think about. i shall go and install jelly bean. but i will wait for another release before i do it .
Again thanks guys
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This is a public service announcement for those who want to use Honeycomb on the Nook Color:
Honeycomb on the Nook Color is basically a tech demo!!!
Yes, it is cool that the Nook Color runs Honeycomb, and the fact that it does is due to the great work of many developers who have stretched the limits of our ereader. With that said, Honeycomb on the Nook Color is not- and will not be- equivalent to the other ROM options. If you are trying to do something on Nook Honeycomb and it doesn't work, there are probably very good reasons for that.
Development on Honeycomb has run into many problems:
1. (by far biggest problem) Honeycomb's source is not released, unlike other versions of Android. This means developers cannot customize Honeycomb for Nook Color like what has been done with CM7 (which is the Gingerbread version of Android). Our Honeycomb is a binary SDK version hacked to work on our device.
2. Much of Honeycomb and its applications are optimized for the Tegra platform. Even if you don't know what that is, just know its something that all on-the-market Honeycomb tablets have that the Nook Color doesn't have.
Now for the big question:
But isn't Honeycomb Android's tablet version, so doesn't that mean I don't have a real tablet without Honeycomb?
I see many people fall into the trap that Honeycomb=Tablet and everything else Android=Phone. This could not be more untrue. Samsung released its Galaxy Tab without Honeycomb last year to high reviews, and HTC has just released a brand new tablet without Honeycomb.
The great developers in this community have modified the phone version of Android so significantly that it gives a great tablet experience. The CM7 developers (fattire, verygreen, dalingrin, nemith) have taken the Gingerbread source and have made the Nook Color's hardware work perfectly with that version of Android. In fact they have gone above and beyond and made it so hardware that Barnes and Nobles never intended to work (internal bluetooth, USB support, etc.) now works. Finally a developer named Mad-Murdock has modified Gingerbread itself so that it has many of the tablet features that Honeycomb has.
At this point, you may be wondering, what CAN I do without Honeycomb? The answer is quite a few things:
1. Honeycomb lacks Netflix support, our Nook Colors running CM7 can play Netflix.
2. Honeycomb games (aka Tegra games) can be run after installing the Chainfire 3D program from the market.
3. A CM7 Nook Color can be hacked to view Hulu, Honeycomb devices lack this ability currently.
4. A CM7 Nook Color has bluetooth and USB support that the Honeycomb ROM probably will never get.
5. A CM7 Nook Color has full support of its video playback capabilities which means programs like Slingplayer work, as do certain videos you encode for the Nook Color using Handbrake.
But poofyhairguy, I have convinced myself despite the above list that a tablet without Honeycomb isn't a tablet so I don't even want a Nook Color without Honeycomb!!!
If that is the case for you, then I suggest you sell your Nook Color and purchase a real Honeycomb device such as a Transformer or Xoom. Google has made it clear that it won't release the Honeycomb source before its next big version which is due this winter. That basically means that the Nook Color won't run a "real" tablet OS with full capabilities till the end of this year or the beginning of the next.
If that is unacceptable to you, time to move on. If getting all those non-Honeycomb benefits sounds great to you, then welcome to the party. In many ways the Nook Color is the best tablet on the market, you just have to think outside the box a little to get full enjoyment out of the device.
Have a nice day!
Just have to +1 on this post.
I'm one of those guys that went for the hype, Honeycomb on the Nook, WOW!
In reality if ALL you do is check your email, view non flash websites, and play Angry Birds, sure its fine. But the nook can really do SO much more and after a while you want it to do more. You're just not going to get that with Honeycomb on the nook.
The ONLY advantage you get is that the UI is very much more "tablet" but theres many fixes out there for that if you decide to run something like CM7.
Anyway though I made the switch and am not looking back, fully functional Youtube (in HQ!), Netflix, Bluetooth, USB, etc, for 200 bucks, you can't beat it.
Thanks for the input. My number one goal for this thread was to game the new thread engine a little- anyone that posts a Nook Honeycomb problem thread should see my PSA.
I am waiting for my nook color to arrive and have been doing some searching around to learn more...this post was very helpful. Thx!
I think saying that CM7 runs perfectly on a Nook Color is a little bold. I have run both and have remained on Honeycomb due to the fact that the battery issues with CM7 were too unacceptable to deal with. I'd end up with an unusable tablet for several hours all the time when the Battery would reach ultra low levels.
There were also many other feature in Honeycomb that just made it more enjoyable (tablet apps section in Market, keyboard just seems to work better, space on homescreens, etc) I also am a fan of the XboxExperts builds which include all the key elements you need in a ROM. That's the way these should be released IMO, just like they would from the store, with everything included. Having to search around for the latest GApps version is just a waste of time.
I realize the battery issue is close, but I don't feel like messing around with nightlies and OCing until it is stable. And it's taking forever and a day it seems to get it there.
Just my 2c.
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I think saying that CM7 runs perfectly on a Nook Color is a little bold. I have run both and have remained on Honeycomb due to the fact that the battery issues with CM7 were too unacceptable to deal with. I'd end up with an unusable tablet for several hours all the time when the Battery would reach ultra low levels.
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Um, I don't really know what you are talking about. Early versions of CM7 would eat down a battery, but any recent version will give you MUCH better battery life than Honeycomb thanks to the fact that CM7 has working sleep, and the Honeycomb ROM doesn't (and won't).
tablet apps section in Market
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Yes, but many are made for Tegra which means they won't work on the Nook's Honeycomb ROM. In fact CM7 is better for these tablet programs because you can use Chainfire3D to make the Tegra programs work.
Also we can't run the newest version of Honeycomb (3.1) as easily, which means eventually the app support will dry up as all REAL Honeycomb tablets have had that update available to them for a while or they ship with the 3.1 version.
keyboard just seems to work better
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Both Gingerbread and Honeycomb's keyboards are bested by the free Swiftkey Tablet Beta. I use it on CM7, just like my friend with a Xoom uses it on Honeycomb. Much better styling and function than the defaults.
space on homescreens
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Easily replicated in Launcher Pro.
I will admit that there are some things that are nice about Honeycomb that CM7 doesn't have- an orientation lock that works in landcape, a visual task switcher, a cleaner notification system, and a two-pane settings window. No one is saying that Honeycomb overall is inferior. Just our out of date HC ROMs are inferier to real Honeycomb tablets, despite the hard work of those who make them.
CM7 is much more usable overall.
I also am a fan of the XboxExperts builds which include all the key elements you need in a ROM. That's the way these should be released IMO, just like they would from the store, with everything included. Having to search around for the latest GApps version is just a waste of time.
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The nightly and stable CM7 builds lack GAPPS because Google made a deal with the community to not package those binaries into official CM ROMs. Some individuals (like XboxExpert, or phiredrop) ignore this and put out complete ROMs that are separated from official CM7 to avoid getting CM7 into more trouble. If you don't want to hunt GAPPS but you want CM7 use the phiremod ROM.
I realize the battery issue is close but I don't feel like messing around with nightlies and OCing until it is stable. And it's taking forever and a day it seems to get it there.
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It is not up to the Nook Color CM7 developers when new stable releases are put out- that is something that is done all at the same time for all CM roms across supported devices.
Plus the work on CM7 is still happening at a breakneck pace. Recently USB host support was added, as well as superior headphone and speaker controls.
We will get our stable version eventually, but until then the newest CM7 nightlies plus the overclock kernel plus GAPPS is more stable and usable than any Honeycomb ROM we have. And that is a fact...
I use the Divine Honeycomb off the SD card and like it.
Except for battery life.
I have it overclocked to 1.1ghz using setcpu
when screen is off, I have it clocked down to 300mhz.
Battery life is about 2-3hours of normal use and 1-2 days if it's off.
Pretty sad.
Is CM7 much better?
poofyhairguy said:
Thanks for the input. My number one goal for this thread was to game the new thread engine a little- anyone that posts a Nook Honeycomb problem thread should see my PSA.
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I did the same thing over on YouTube:
I just added a link to this thread in the description.
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Is CM7 much better?
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Much much better.
Gotta agree with the others on this one. Even with some of the niggles that annoyed me with CM7, I simply wasn't patient enough to deal with Honeycomb on my NC for more than about two hours. Back to CM7 I went.
Hopefully Ice Cream Sandwich will rectify this; knowing Google, they'll probably release that source code first.
My daughter got a new Kindle Fire as a birthday gift over the weekend, and we’re trying to figure out which ROM to put on it. She has an Android phone, so her primary purpose of ROMing the Kindle Fire is to access the Google Play store and to be able to sync all of her other Google services... Books, Music, Apps, Gmail, Calendar, Talk, etc…
We’re not necessarily looking for the latest/greatest, but we are mostly interested in…
Most Stable & Bug Free (we don't plan on changing often)
Closest to Vanilla Android (no themes)
Does anybody have any suggestions?
Honestly a rooted kindle fire and Go launcher app will get you the least fuss and closest to an android phone without losing the Amazon functionality.
However, if you want to go ROM and are looking for most stable the Cynogen Mod 7 roms are the most stable and will be exactly like having an android phone.
Good luck
Laquox said:
Honestly a rooted kindle fire and Go launcher app will get you the least fuss and closest to an android phone without losing the Amazon functionality.
However, if you want to go ROM and are looking for most stable the Cynogen Mod 7 roms are the most stable and will be exactly like having an android phone.
Good luck
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Thank you... and honestly, we don't care much about keeping the Amazon functionality. If I knew magic, I would simply turn the Kindle Fire into a Nexus 7 and be done with it. But, we'll work with what we've got!
i use this mod:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778010
it is pretty stable as is, and updating it is easy.
cm7 is nice, because it is stable, but myself, i prefer the latest and greatest.
also, be sure to use something along these lines to set up your kindle for the new rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399889
Thanks I was looking at that one and also Hashcode's Jellybean.
I downloaded the Kindle Fire Utility and read the KFFB Guide this morning... just trying to figure out which ROM to go with.
Personally I recommend an ICS rom. CM7 is good but it is getting outdated. Jellybean is also good but still has bugs. ICS does not have any major bugs and is a lot smoother than CM7. I suggest either the SGT7 based rom by twa_priv, Glazed ICS, or gedeROM.
When you ask me the cm9/ SGT7 based rom by twa_priv,
Or cm10/jelly bean rom based on SGT7 by twa_priv.
If you need to use Amazon's services, check out the MoDaCo ROM. It is the stock rom, but has preinstalled, the Play Store, as well as other things.
If you would like to use ICS, check out GedeROM as it is based on Cyanogen Mod 9 and has lots of features such as advertisement blocking and Beats audio as well as limited support for USB OTG.
If you want it to look like a Nexus 7, you can always install a Jelly Bean ROM. I'm using the Jandycane ROM.
twa_priv's jelly bean Rom is pretty stable. I use it and haven't had any problems.
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Thanks everyone... I got Hashcode's Jellybean installed last night, and it's running great. However, now my daughter is telling me that she misses the way her Kindle Fire looked before the ROM... teenagers! So, I might have to redo it and give MoDaCo that jji7skyline recommended.
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Thanks everyone... I got Hashcode's Jellybean installed last night, and it's running great. However, now my daughter is telling me that she misses the way her Kindle Fire looked before the ROM... teenagers! So, I might have to redo it and give MoDaCo that jji7skyline recommended.
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Modaco is pretty good. I personally like the real android interface better but it's her kindle not mine.
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I second the MoDaCo recommendation. It gives the best of both worlds, full Amazon integration with performance enhancements, root and GAPPS! I've tried many of the ICS ROMs and the charging / battery life issues are just a deal breaker for me as it seriously hampers usability. I also have yet to see an ICS ROM that implements decent 2D video acceleration...try using Zite on an ICS ROM vs stock/MoDaCo, it's buttery smooth on stock and so slow scrolling on ICS that it's nearly unusable (and that's with the 1.2 Ghz overclock).
Good luck with whatever choice you make!
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I ended up installing MoDaCo over the weekend. My daughter was out of town, so she hasn't given me her feedback yet. But, I played around with it and liked it quite a bit.
The only thing that bugs me is the low resolution icons from the Play Store that show up in the carousel. The Play Store icon itself seems to be high resolution, but the icons from downloaded apps look pretty bad when enlarged by the carousel.
In the next coming days ill be running into your same situation. Younger sis got a kindle fire for her birthday. Am planning to root and install her a good ICS Rom. A stable one, as I will not have free time to wipe cache and debug everytime something happens. My kindle fire has the Modaco Rom. I can tell you from my experience that the modaco has several downsides, as I see it. As u mentilned the carousel icons are hectic but bearable. One more problem is the gapps are all outdated like youtube and the browser is sub par compared to chrome.
I just wish I can flash nexus 7's Rom right on top
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Personally I recommend an ICS rom. CM7 is good but it is getting outdated. Jellybean is also good but still has bugs. ICS does not have any major bugs and is a lot smoother than CM7. I suggest either the SGT7 based rom by twa_priv, Glazed ICS, or gedeROM.
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This is good advice. CM10 ROMs still have Location Services issues and the occasional widget loss on reboot. If you want everything to work nicely grab twa_priv's CM9 ROM. If you want Jelly Bean and can wait a few weeks it's likely a good idea to wait. Remember, for us half the fun is gettng the latest and greatest and fiddling with getting stuff to work. For your daughter you really just want it to work.
Try Jandycane. I installed it and it runs great
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Anything from twa_prob. His CM9 based ROM is more stable, but the CM10 version is quickly catching up.
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Hashcode's is great and easy to use. (I am a kid , also.)
When life gives you tech....Make use of it.
I want to know what you guys think of the new Jellybean ROMs that we've all been blessed with. Are you happy with it? Any comments, anything? Just wanted to hear what you all think about the new OS on our tablets.
Personally I love it more than anything. Honeycomb and ICS have been nothing but pure lag, from stock ROMs to custom ROMs. I never thought I'd see the day this tablet actually performed smoothly, so when Jellybean first arrived (and pretty damn fast, as well), I was excited. Tried the ROM and loved it, it's just ridiculously smooth, and it works. Now I still get lag playing MC3 or Monster Life, but those are heavy games and Gameloft is pretty ****ty when it comes to properly making an Android game so that's excused. But other games like Dead Trigger work without a hitch, and emulators no longer suffer either. And just for being Android, it gets even better since I can use a wireless mouse over USB OTG, a BT keyboard, and a PS3 controller for games and emulators. All thanks to Jellybean, my tablet is awesome now
And also a thanks to MapleSyrup and pershoot, for the two that gave us Jellybean ROMs at all
Yes, i like cyanogenmod 10, it's smooth and I haven't really noticed any over the top bugs...Battery life could be better but i prefer to sacrifice battery for that smoothness... And now that leads me to Samsung and their ****ty update plan...I mean come on i have waited 8 months to get ICS that lags like hell and doesn't play youtube videos correctly?...They should have just skipped ICS and focus on jelly bean...Other tablets are getting jellybean and we just got ICS, wonder how much will it take them to provide the stock jellybean...another 8 months?(i'm a fan of touchwiz that's why i *****...and i don't want a 7 inch tablet(nexus 7)).
I Skype lots so need a working camera. Can't wait till CM10 has the camera driver. Any word on wheh this can be expected ?
I have cm10 and it seems so fast but a Quadrant test must tell it's value...the previous tests show that ICS is faster but JB's graphics are better...
Now that the rear camera is working the ROM is worth flashing(I never use the camera but couldn't bear it's loss...).
What do you TouchWiz fans think about putting it on the JB?it seems possible,doesn't it?let me know... ...
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I have cm10 and it seems so fast but a Quadrant test must tell it's value...the previous tests show that ICS is faster but JB's graphics are better...
Now that the rear camera is working the ROM is worth flashing(I never use the camera but couldn't bear it's loss...).
What do you TouchWiz fans think about putting it on the JB?it seems possible,doesn't it?let me know... ...
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The reason Quadrant scores are lower in JB is because JB puts the UI at a higher priority, basically to keep the whole thing smooth. Antutu's latest update takes that into account and as far as I know, it's the only benchmark app that has been updated for Jellybean.
I keep installing ROMs on here to find the smoothest reliable ICS or JB, and CM10 is working beautifully for me. I especially like the subtle mods, like weather on the lock screen, email count in status bar, ability to enter settings without the app you were in being closed by the system, three action lockscren... the list goes on.
Definitely gets my vote unless you can't live without camera.
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I Skype lots so need a working camera. Can't wait till CM10 has the camera driver. Any word on wheh this can be expected ?
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Same here. I won't flash until we have a working front camera either. Hopefully it's done soon...
I would like to know why data package is not supported on gsm I try to pay data for my tab and once I received confirmation of the debit my tab keeps displaying no internet connection it only allows to navigate through the WiFi does any one knows how to fix it...
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I'm very happy with CMX. I'm glad I like it because I'm having a lot of trouble trying to go to other ROMs right now for the sake of checking them out - but I'll tell ya, there are probably way worse ROMs to be stuck on! I also have CMX on my S2 and am so in love with JB I don't know if I want to go back from a daily driver perspective.
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Same here. I won't flash until we have a working front camera either. Hopefully it's done soon...
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I actually used CM10 Preview by pershoot and was highly impressed by the performance and smoothness. However, I recently started to require skyping for work related meetings so had to switch back to ICS 4.0.4. When JB works with front camera, expect me to be the first in line.
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Android 4.1.1? which one? confused like hell!?
Maybe it is only me confused here. and this is my first post, so be gentle
so I got excited when Samsung finally release Android 4.0.4!, could not wait so I downloaded UK Galaxy Tab 10.1 wifi (I have US one).
all good, but still not smooth, slow, then realize we need Android 4.1.1 (I have Google Nexus 7)...so jumped here, checking JB ROMs. that's when I start get confused. which one should I download that has less bug? Android 4.1.1 - CyanogenMod 10? or Toldo's JellyBeanRom ICS v5? or MapleSyrup's JellyBeanRom ICS? when you read each post (usually hundreds of replies), you even got more confused...
don't take me wrong, I love what our developer is giving us! even if this my first post, I already donated. however, it would be so helpful if there's new thread that lists all JB ROMs, and clearly outlines what works and what does not works, of any additional fixes. Now my galaxy tab 10.1 sitting there, staring at me, and dying to get on JB
Cheers to all:good:
J.
I've been using CM10 builds from Pershoot and I've been really pleased. Fast, responsive, and all the apps I use day-to-day work beautifully. Battery life is trouble-free. I do occasionally get lockups, but I'm too lazy to try to identify how -- a lot of the time, it's opening large PDFs. Otherwise, most tasks are trouble-free. Rear cam works beautifully.
Unfortunately, I'm cursed with an SCH-i905 -- and no 4G LTE until Samsung gets off their ass and releases source that pershoot can merge. When that day comes, I will wet my pants in excitement.
I have a 4G LTE phone as well, so I just tether the tablet, and life is grand... but I sure would love to have it natively working on my tab. For a few months I had to revert back to stock HC on it because I needed the 4G... now that I've switched back to CM, I've been very happy.
Caede said:
I've been using CM10 builds from Pershoot and I've been really pleased. Fast, responsive, and all the apps I use day-to-day work beautifully. Battery life is trouble-free. I do occasionally get lockups, but I'm too lazy to try to identify how -- a lot of the time, it's opening large PDFs. Otherwise, most tasks are trouble-free. Rear cam works beautifully.
Unfortunately, I'm cursed with an SCH-i905 -- and no 4G LTE until Samsung gets off their ass and releases source that pershoot can merge. When that day comes, I will wet my pants in excitement.
I have a 4G LTE phone as well, so I just tether the tablet, and life is grand... but I sure would love to have it natively working on my tab. For a few months I had to revert back to stock HC on it because I needed the 4G... now that I've switched back to CM, I've been very happy.
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so CM10 build that you use is from : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1787399
it is safe to say that I can flash my galaxy tab 10.1 wifi (which is now on stock android 4.0.4) with CM10 build, and all works perfect no issue other than front camera?
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I'm very happy with CMX. I'm glad I like it because I'm having a lot of trouble trying to go to other ROMs right now for the sake of checking them out - but I'll tell ya, there are probably way worse ROMs to be stuck on! I also have CMX on my S2 and am so in love with JB I don't know if I want to go back from a daily driver perspective.
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It is CM10, even the developers hate to hear it called CMX... This is Android, not Crapple!
For me, it is running great on both my tablet and my phone minus the occasional scrambled boot on my tablet (never happened on cm9 or any other roms) which I still get after updating to the official ICS boot loaders. But, it seems way more polished and complete then the early versions of CM9. I have made it my daily driver on both devices. Battery life is better than 4.0.4 also as long as you turn off Google now and so e of the location services. It will only get better with time...
BAHA - Crapple.
Yeah sorry about that - it does say CM10 in my sig, I just got lazy typing last night. My bad.
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It is CM10, even the developers hate to hear it called CMX... This is Android, not Crapple!
For me, it is running great on both my tablet and my phone minus the occasional scrambled boot on my tablet (never happened on cm9 or any other roms) which I still get after updating to the official ICS boot loaders. But, it seems way more polished and complete then the early versions of CM9. I have made it my daily driver on both devices. Battery life is better than 4.0.4 also as long as you turn off Google now and so e of the location services. It will only get better with time...
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So Crappie owns the letter X? I use it as a roman numeral when abbreviating CM.
Also, I'm curious, what difference do the ICS bootloader provide? Is it a noticeable improvement?
GazaIan said:
So Crappie owns the letter X? I use it as a roman numeral when abbreviating CM.
Also, I'm curious, what difference do the ICS bootloader provide? Is it a noticeable improvement?
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Haha, of course they don't own it... I just heard entropy tell someone in another thread not to call it cmx Since the boot animation that coined the cmx name is in no way official and they (cm10 dev team) have never called it that. If people are searching for answers about cm10 and people are calling it cmx, it may confuse users and make them think cmx is something different. We all know it is not, but we should all be using the real name for consistency purposes, right? I didn't mean to be an a**, just stating the facts.
Whereas CM10 is still in alpha stage, I can say that it works very well! This promises to be the best ROM.:laugh:
I was running MapleSyrup's AOSP JellyBean build for about a week and then switched over to pershoot's CM10. While I found they were very similar I stuck with CM10 because it feels a bit smoother. I had a little issue with a scrambled screen when booting where only for a second or two the screen was rolling but cleared up afterwards. I did not have a rolling recovery screen. I updated the bootloader to the ICS version and it's been great since. I also haven't had any SOD's either when charging overnight or just sitting there.
The only issue which I still have is Youtube HD videos get very choppy and this happened on both JB builds.
But another good news tidbit is that HBO GO was updated to support JB and that was the only thing I was missing since running an ICS rom. And it seems to work perfectly!
So, thanks go out to Maple and pershoot and all the other devs out there that contribute to getting us up to speed. I was just over my dad's house and updated his GTab to ICS for him and all the while I was chuckling because I've been running JellyBean for a while before he even got ICS!
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I was running MapleSyrup's AOSP JellyBean build for about a week and then switched over to pershoot's CM10. While I found they were very similar I stuck with CM10 because it feels a bit smoother. I had a little issue with a scrambled screen when booting where only for a second or two the screen was rolling but cleared up afterwards. I did not have a rolling recovery screen. I updated the bootloader to the ICS version and it's been great since. I also haven't had any SOD's either when charging overnight or just sitting there.
The only issue which I still have is Youtube HD videos get very choppy and this happened on both JB builds.
But another good news tidbit is that HBO GO was updated to support JB and that was the only thing I was missing since running an ICS rom. And it seems to work perfectly!
So, thanks go out to Maple and pershoot and all the other devs out there that contribute to getting us up to speed. I was just over my dad's house and updated his GTab to ICS for him and all the while I was chuckling because I've been running JellyBean for a while before he even got ICS!
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I am on MapleSyrup's AOSP JellyBean, and you said "updated the bootloader to the ICS version"? I am a little confused. .how do you do that? what the benefit? I am assuming when you said bootloader to ICS version, you meant latest ICS stock?
After receipt of my first Nexus 7 last week I can say I'm extremely pleased with my purchase and first foray into the tablet world.
What I'm not so pleased with is the lack of tablet view on many apps. The way things are displayed often leaves a lot to be desired on such a beautiful display.
As I understand it, there are several ways you can fool the UI into going into tablet mode on a system or per app basis, using either hacks or custom ROMs.
Ideally I would like to be able to flash my nexus 7 with a custom ROM like Paranoid Android, however as I am new to the scene, I thought it worth finding out:
1) How stable are the ROMs available for the Nexus 7? I've heard paranoid android does dpi per app, does this work well?
2) How many apps actually take advantage of the tablet UI? ie. if I do mod my nexus7 will it make that big a difference?
3) Are there any good reasons (except warranty) to leave my tablet running stock?
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After receipt of my first Nexus 7 last week I can say I'm extremely pleased with my purchase and first foray into the tablet world.
What I'm not so pleased with is the lack of tablet view on many apps. The way things are displayed often leaves a lot to be desired on such a beautiful display.
As I understand it, there are several ways you can fool the UI into going into tablet mode on a system or per app basis, using either hacks or custom ROMs.
Ideally I would like to be able to flash my nexus 7 with a custom ROM like Paranoid Android, however as I am new to the scene, I thought it worth finding out:
1) How stable are the ROMs available for the Nexus 7? I've heard paranoid android does dpi per app, does this work well?
2) How many apps actually take advantage of the tablet UI? ie. if I do mod my nexus7 will it make that big a difference?
3) Are there any good reasons (except warranty) to leave my tablet running stock?
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1 - Some of the ROM's are very stable, I would stick with a well known dev such as Football or Faux (yes I know faux is kernels). So paranoid android is probably a good route to go down.
2 - In my experience, only the most well known apps, such as G-Mail, Hotmail etc take advantage of the Tablet mode, but more may come when tablets take a bigger chunk of the market, which they are beggining to do so, and fast !
3 - I wouldn't leave it stock if I was you, I would definatly root for OTG etc, but the stock ROM etc is buttery smooth and I couldn't imagine using a custom ROM.
THE ONLY CUSTOM ROM THAT HAS EVER !!!! MADE ME FEEL LIKE USING A CUSTOM ROM IS ViperX, and they don't do a tablet ROM I don't think.
Hope this helps.
The M-series release of CM10 is quite stable. And the default phablet mode of n7 is quite good actually, at least for me personally.
Tapatalked from my Ace 2
Paranoid android works perfectly for me
A combo of SmoothROM and 'bricked' kernel have been fast and stable for me in the past
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1899024
The Bricked Kernel dev is also hard at work on a new feature for his kernel, this apparently doesn't affect the device sleeping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RbmIWnh_MUo
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1920628&page=29
I installed the Team Eos 4 ROM with Android 4.2, after finally admitting that Asus has ceased updating the TF101. I can only say everybody should do the same:
It's easy. Took me less than 30 minutes, with these instructions: http://www.transformerforums.com/fo...nt/31927-frederucos-guide-root-rom-tf101.html
The device became (and I'm not overstating it) really lightning fast. Videos play better, everything happens at once. Somehow Android now looks better also.
The browser looks the same but feels totally different. It responds immediately and pages load pretty much as fast as with a desktop browser. Write in an address and the page is there. No more "The browser is not responding / wait or close" dialogs.
It's actually very stable and everything works. Nothing has crashed for me since installing, not even the browser, which is really something. The browser used to crash once or twice each time I used it.
You can install Adblock Plus (the Eos ROM comes rooted) and Avast with firewall
User control. A device can now have several user profiles. No more need to share your private issues with other members of the household.
The TF101 feels like a new device again suddenly
(Ps. Asus stopped updating TF101 after 1,5 years on the market, as they've agreed with Google. This is not very good customer service. 18 months is nothing - it feels like "take the money and run". They leave their customers with potential security problems, with outdated software. The older the software is, the more likely it is to be exploited.)
I'm also very satisfied with the Team EOS ROM. For me it's not quite as stable as stock, but it's faster and smoother.
A few notes:
- User profiles are not fully supported by most apps yet. I suggest you stay away for now, at least until we get decent su(do) support.
- Team EOS ROMs, while they put a lot of effort and time in (and I DO appreciate it!) are still non-official ROMs and devs work with what they have, so you can still expect bugs and random issues while they're reported and ironed out. Don't expect a 100% flawless ROM.
- 18 months is the time that Google will provide manufacturers with updates, that does not mean the manufacturer has any obligation to push out the update. If any of you guys saw the post here about the new AiO Transformer, you can see Asus are moving on to bigger and better things. While I'm not that happy myself about no official 4.1+ for this device, I'm pleased to see there's people working hard to make us awesome ROMs to keep up with the new stuff. Also, most other Asus tablets are announced to have the 4.1 update, so it's really just their oldest tablet (launched on March 30th 2011) that isn't getting it.
- You can "double" your "RAM" by adding swap space to your device on your fat32 internal sdcard space using Swapper (I mention it because it's useful to some extent - not real ram - and it's seldom mentioned).
I've mentioned it before... but I suspect that stability/performance issues are tied to the SBK revision you have, and the B/C version.
I look at Asus not supporting updates for the TF101 in this way: This tablet was their test run for what was to become their flagship design in the tablet market. It obviously worked and since then with the later models, the tablet/netbook hybrid idea has really taken off. The 300 and the 700 have bigger and better hardware so its what they are going to focus on. Don't look at the TF101's lack of support form the big guys as being its inevitable demise as much as its chance to shine in the custom rom community. The tablet is almost 2 years old and hasn't been officially supported for a few months now but the development between CyanogenMod and EOS as well as some of the other roms avaiable for this tablet makes it really stand. Its graduating into a fully supported developer gold mine instead of going to the grave.
EOS 4 is the rom I'm currently running and its a powerhouse even with some of the bugs that are being worked out. Its definitely proof that this device still has some miles left in it.
TL;DR: I totally agree. If you want a world changing experiences on your TF101, then check out EOS!
The ROM is not quite as perfect as I first thought. It has problems with speaker volume - it's not possible to set it loud enough to make it hearable from some apps. (And yes, I know about the volume boost apps, which don't seem to help, tried several from Play).
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The ROM is not quite as perfect as I first thought. It has problems with speaker volume - it's not possible to set it loud enough to make it hearable from some apps. (And yes, I know about the volume boost apps, which don't seem to help, tried several from Play).
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Trie this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1841851 special for eos rom.
Jack fig said:
Trie this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1841851 special for eos rom.
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It also works better with the K.A.T. Kernel
I love JB. But its not stable enough as they don't have official sources.
I prefer ICS and nice kernel. OC, update, Build my own Rom, add what I want, call it a day.
Truthfully tho, I only use the thing for games, Emails, Reading, and Internet. Its fine for those things. I am selling it tho cause I want an N7. But the only reason is to match my phone. A Tablet is a tablet to me.
To be honest I haven't play around with any custom ROMs for several months. What really turned me off was the lack of a file explorer which I guess is the fault of Google not including anything in the source. I really happen to to like the Asus file explorer & haven't found another one that I like. That is my main reason for not. Maybe I'll give JB another shot.
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To be honest I haven't play around with any custom ROMs for several months. What really turned me off was the lack of a file explorer which I guess is the fault of Google not including anything in the source. I really happen to to like the Asus file explorer & haven't found another one that I like. That is my main reason for not. Maybe I'll give JB another shot.
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Try ES File explorer, it's not eye candy like Asus' but it has much broader support, like built-it LAN and FTP capabilities. You can just browse to your network share, and start your movie/music/whatever from there without having to copy it, etc... it's pretty cool.
Other Asus apps have been modified to work in other roms. I use their deskclock, email, weather and task manager apps on Team EOS' 4.2.1. Task manager won't actually kill any apps but it still displays them fine. There's also their dayscene wallpaper, etc... search and browse through this forum in the apps section, you'll see lots of people posted modified versions. It almost feels like stock with all those mods.
I can vouch for ES. It doesn't look pretty but it's insanely powerful for a file browser. You can access networked computer, directly access all your cloud storage and also access root if you are rooted. The only thing I would like to see them do is give you the option of dragging and dropping from one directory to another.
I also use a fair share of the Asus stock widgets and such. I noticed that wit hthe task manager, I get random FCs with it but it doesn't affect anything at all.
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To be honest I haven't play around with any custom ROMs for several months. What really turned me off was the lack of a file explorer which I guess is the fault of Google not including anything in the source. I really happen to to like the Asus file explorer & haven't found another one that I like. That is my main reason for not. Maybe I'll give JB another shot.
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Try Solid Explorer - same functions as ES file explorer but looks nicer - dark and light themes are good and dual pane usage.
I'm currently using EOS Rom, overall its great, but I'm going back to LiquidSmooth (4.1) for the following reasons:
-Performance. LiquidSmooth performance is the reason why I'm keeping this device even though Asus doesn't support it anymore. Performance is beyond my beleif. (Only gripe: random reboot once every 48 hours or less, while sleeping. Still, could be worse)
-Weird EOS nightly 90 bug for me. LCD backlight randomly turns off until next reboot.
On another note: +1 for Solid Explorer. My choice too. I considered AntTek too but in the end I think Solid Explorer fits my needs better. And cheaper!
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Awesome! I finally decided to install EOS after reading your post. This old Tf101 feels like a brand new tablet now and iam not exaggerating.
I compare the webpage loading time with iPad 2 and they are compatible! Thanks for the post and the developer team.
I want to recommend everyone to flash.
I am big EOS4 fan now as well. last months with Timduru's work has litteraly change my tabs. even has my ipod luvin kids wanting time on them.
they are stable enough now that i can hand them over to the kids and evrything just works.
my setup i use
latest eos4
latest KAT kernel (this makes the rom run far more smooth and buttery as well as fixes minor glitches for me)
KAT app (Havent really had a need for this other then it can help get sound volume up in some apps for me. only lost sound once and kat app brought it back easily)
APEX launcher (really speeds up and smooths out the desktops and adds load of customisation i like)
cifs manager so my pc server now is like an extra internal memory card built into my tab
Alot of ppl have made a few working roms and they all deserve a heaping load of thanks for thier time and efforts.
no rom is 100% but a few are close enough now to be very usefull and far better off then where asus left us.
Over the Christmas holidays I took the plunge and rooted and flashed my TF101 with RaymanFX CM10 (I think, that's the version, the device isn't with me ATM). Since then I've been impressed with the speed and functionality but I've had a two reoccurring issues, Wifi drops out frequently and no sound after a few hours uptime. Both issues necessitate a reboot to fix.
Anyway... I'd like to try EOS4 with the KAT kernel, it seems to be more actively developed and used.
As I said the device is already rooted and flashed it since it was a PITA to reload all my apps and setup email accounts etc, I'd like to know if installing EOS4+KAT is going to require completely wiping everything again or are there steps I can take to reduce the effort?
Just to confirm, I'd need the flash 3 things from the recovery bootloader to switch: 1. EOS4 zip, 2. KAT kernel, 3. gapps is that correct?
Pete
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2063406 (thread with links for the eos4 )
yes do need all 3 as well your recovery needs to be compatible with 4,2,1. you usualy need the latest version of recovery to be able to do that.
I use twrp 2.3.2.3 which is very easy to instal. just get the goomanager of the play store if u want this recovery and it can instal it for u as well and it will tell you when there are updates to your rom etc....
as a general rule I always do full wipes when changing roms. cache, system etc.... as sometmes the file system is different and needs this.
Why I should not flash a custom ROM:
nothing supports the Slider. Sigh.
Emitted from my Nexus Prime
RaymanFx CM10.1 with the latest nightlies uploaded by 'josteink' and kat kernel 94 for CM10.1 works really well. Full android 4.2.2, smooth and fast. Also adding gps.config file seems to get the gps working as well.
I'm still kicking Team EOS3 #81 with KatKernel #69 & KAT App
99.9999999% bug free
Only thing I have to do sometimes is press a button in Kat App to reinitialise the audio after a long deep sleep
Lightning fast and butter smooth and everything works perfectly
Couldn't agree more having the Team EOS 4 custom ROM has been wonderful. Thanks to the team for all the effort and time.