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For those of you Bay Area kids that are jonesing as hard as I am for our 4G service, I did some testing while at work in Palo Alto today (where Clear has rolled out a special developer pocket of 4G service). I took some screenshots with the EVO 4G as my test device - and published a little write-up on my blog.
Give it a read.
http://dylandersen.me/post/633300884/4g-in-the-bay-area-how-fast-is-it-really
Thanks for posting this.
I am from Santa Clara and i did notice how fast 4G can be.
However i did notice something with my 4G behavior and i was wondering if you noticed the same.
If i connect to 4G and the phone is idle (i.e. not using any app that requires data usage) the connection will drop and enter an endless reconnect loop where when it reconnects it will stay connected for 20 sec and drop again.
To avoid this i need to open an app that uses data (i.e. listen to internet radio) and then the connection will be stable.
Have you noticed this behavior as well?
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But, as obnoxious as that may seem, it’s actually quite understanding when you hold this device in your hand. AND, what a lot of the critics (Slashgear, Engadget, Gizmodo, Phonedog, Pocketnow - the list of naysayerse goes on) are forgetting to mention amidst their insane iPhone-fanboy frenzy, is that the iPhone itself had a $10 plan upcharge when switching from the original (2G) iPhone to the iPhone 3G. AT&T said it was because of the 3G connection.
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I don't care enough to prove you wrong about every site you listed but Droiddog (the android section of Phonedog) is, in my opinion, the best Android news and review site on the web. You're basically saying the the entire Internet thinks Apple can do no wrong and that's just wrong.
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At this point we've run the full spectrum on iPad opinion. It should be clear that there are aspects of this device which we love, and others which we clearly do not.
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But, as obnoxious as that may seem, it’s actually quite understanding when you hold this device in your hand. AND, what a lot of the critics (Slashgea
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I don't care enough to prove you wrong about every site you listed but Droiddog (the android section of Phonedog) is, in my opinion, the best Android news and review site on the web. You're basically saying the the entire Internet thinks Apple can do no wrong and that's just wrong.
At this point we've run the full spectrum on iPad opinion. It should be clear that there are aspects of this device which we love, and others which we clearly do not.
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Droiddog does a good job at coverage but I was not speaking about John, mainly Noah who is so in love with the iPhone it hurts.
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Thanks for posting this.
I am from Santa Clara and i did notice how fast 4G can be.
However i did notice something with my 4G behavior and i was wondering if you noticed the same.
If i connect to 4G and the phone is idle (i.e. not using any app that requires data usage) the connection will drop and enter an endless reconnect loop where when it reconnects it will stay connected for 20 sec and drop again.
To avoid this i need to open an app that uses data (i.e. listen to internet radio) and then the connection will be stable.
Have you noticed this behavior as well?
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I noticed a bit of this, but I think its mainly because the network is in its infancy and doesnt know how to handle idleness very well. At least you know of a work around.
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Great read bro.
My fam lives up north. I figure its time for another run to the stockton , pittsburgh ,santa clara and fairfield area.
Can't wait!
Nice read. I live in Vallejo and one day after I received my Evo I too can drive to PA area for some 4G goodness!!! I have no regret ever now leaving At&t expensive monthly family plan (with corporate discounts) to Sprint Everything Family Data plan of $103 a month for two lines. Boy I'm going to enjoy this, BTW this Sprint Hero I have to hold me off until the Evo release is my first Android phone (always been on Win Mobile). Already having tons of fun with the 1.5 stock on the Hero and let alone the Evo with soon to be the latest Android I am super super pumped up. Hurry hurry up June 4th!!! LOL
Engadget posted an article today berrating Samsung and Tmo for allowibg the vibrant to ship in non-working form. Check out their editorial.
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http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/08/02/wheres-the-gps-fix-for-the-samsung-vibrant-and-captivate/
Update: We've just received an official statement from Samsung on the matter:
"Samsung Mobile is aware that under certain conditions, the GPS on our U.S. Galaxy S devices may not be meeting performance expectations. We are diligently evaluating the situation and will provide an update as soon as possible."
hopefully media attention will prompt samsung to addressing it as timely as possible
Kind of sad this is what it takes to get them to fix something. I don't think it's been determined whether it's just a software glitch, or something more serious like hardware that requires a revision. Software can be pushed to the phone, where a new chip can't.
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Kind of sad this is what it takes to get them to fix something. I don't think it's been determined whether it's just a software glitch, or something more serious like hardware that requires a revision. Software can be pushed to the phone, where a new chip can't.
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They're already aware. If you think Engadget posting this crap to their mobile site weeks after even THEY experienced their first issue with GPS is what it "takes" for Samsung to acknowledge the problem you're sadly mistaken. This is NO different from what they posted on Twitter
Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?
The more media coverage, however late, this gets the better. Do you think apple would have moved so quickly on their "fix" were it not for the ridiculous media coverage?
I hope some more mainstream news outlets pick up on this. That might force more than a canned response from samsung.
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Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?
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the only issue I've had is once I turn on gps then open maps, it freezes maps to the point of a reboot needed. Other than that the gps works great
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They're already aware. If you think Engadget posting this crap to their mobile site weeks after even THEY experienced their first issue with GPS is what it "takes" for Samsung to acknowledge the problem you're sadly mistaken. This is NO different from what they posted on Twitter
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i'm sure they are working on a fix. but they are working on 2.2, launching the epic, etc. as well. i'm fine waiting for a real fix, not some quickly hacked together patch that isn't properly tested.
or cm6, whichever happens first.
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Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?
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I wasn't at first either, but then it started. Every device has the problem, just not 100% of the time.
It will be fixed very soon, though. This is Samsung's top priority right now.
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Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?
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no. I also didn't have issues with the GPS.
At least, not until I began thinking that I was just missing something and tried one of the "fixes" on my device. Now my GPS reception is noticeably worse than stock.
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Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?
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Try this...disable "use wireless networks" under "location and security"(this will let the phone use JUST the GPS receiver), then download and install Googles "My Tracks" app. Run that app while driving a long distance, and see just how accurate your GPS is.
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Try this...disable "use wireless networks" under "location and security"(this will let the phone use JUST the GPS receiver), then download and install Googles "My Tracks" app. Run that app while driving a long distance, and see just how accurate your GPS is.
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Why would I want to disable that, though?
I don't doubt that the issue exists, but I'm not going to go out of my way to experience it. I'm no masochist...
If the phone is using Wireless Networks for a location fix in your car the accuracy would be awful and noticeably off.
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They're already aware. If you think Engadget posting this crap to their mobile site weeks after even THEY experienced their first issue with GPS is what it "takes" for Samsung to acknowledge the problem you're sadly mistaken. This is NO different from what they posted on Twitter
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yes - especially if other media pick up on it, and verizon & sprint catch wind of it and actually test theirs before releasing - that would be the real pressure point on sammy
At least Samsung isn't saying this is our fault or round up a bunch of competitors' phones and say they have the same issues. The fact that they say they're evaluating the situation makes it sound like the fix isn't coming any time soon.
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At least Samsung isn't saying this is our fault or round up a bunch of competitors' phones and say they have the same issues. The fact that they say they're evaluating the situation makes it sound like the fix isn't coming any time soon.
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Last time samsung had to "look into" something, behold 2 didn't get the upgrade it was promised.
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Last time samsung had to "look into" something, behold 2 didn't get the upgrade it was promised.
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true, but nearly everyone knew the behold was a pile of crap from the get go.
the galaxy s is launching in over 100 countries, including every major carrier in the US. they are projected to sell over 10 million handsets. samsung lives or dies by this phone, IMO. i can understand frustration from their previous handsets, but if they drop the ball on the galaxy s, they might as well get out of the business all together.
Hey guys just wanted to make anyone aware who hadn't heard that the latest version of PDANET now comes with a setting to hide tethering usage from your carrier
Do you have a link for us lazy folks. I don't see it in the market
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The trick doesn't work.
People are still getting emails from AT&T.
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The trick doesn't work.
People are still getting emails from AT&T.
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please cite your source material, don't just spread rumors if that is all they are, who that was using pdanet 3.0 has received an email? my bull **** detector is flying off the handle, especially considering 3.0 which provided the hide tethering feature JUST came out
http://www.junefabrics.com/android/index.php for you lazy folk, its not on market, you install on pc first then it installs on your phone
You could easily get this from the Market. Put your phone on airplane mode, then connect to the Internet using wifi. Search for pdanet in the Market and it will show up.
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Hey guys just wanted to make anyone aware who hadn't heard that the latest version of PDANET now comes with a setting to hide tethering usage from your carrier
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The only problem is that it can only be use for one device at a time and it only works on Desktops and Laptops. Which means, no iPad, iPod, Xbox, PS3, etc. Barnacle is better
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please cite your source material, don't just spread rumors if that is all they are, who that was using pdanet 3.0 has received an email? my bull **** detector is flying off the handle, especially considering 3.0 which provided the hide tethering feature JUST came out
http://www.junefabrics.com/android/index.php for you lazy folk, its not on market, you install on pc first then it installs on your phone
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Are you dumb? They can just see that you are using A LOT of data, they can't actually see you tethering......
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Are you dumb? They can just see that you are using A LOT of data, they can't actually see you tethering......
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no im actually pretty smart, are you dumb?
i never suggested that you use PDANET to download 50gb a month with your torrents, however there have been people served with tethering warning emails who have not even exceeded 2gb so please refrain from making bold assumptions, you could get caught using barnacle with a low usage just the same as pdanet except for that barnacle does not have hide tether usage as a feature
and yes i agree there is a downside that you can only use it on one device at a time and only certain devices, but everyones needs are different, if you are only using your pc or laptop and want take extra precautions to not lose your unlimited plan then use pdanet over barnacle, i personally only need my laptop connected, and realistically you could create an adhoc network with your PC that you tether with if you would like multiple devices connected at the same time
please if you are not here to contribute, just go away i dont want this thread clogged up with a ton of misinformation from a bunch of misinformed people with poor reading comprehension, i was just making a suggestion here, if you dont like it stfu and gtfo
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no im actually pretty smart, are you dumb?
i never suggested that you use PDANET to download 50gb a month with your torrents, however there have been people served with tethering warning emails who have not even exceeded 2gb so please refrain from making bold assumptions, you are far more likely to get caught using barnacle with a low usage, also keep in mind barnacle does not have hide tether usage as a feature please if you are not here to contribute, just go away i dont want this thread clogged up with a ton of misinformation from a bunch of misinformed people with poor reading comprehension
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Yeah thats why I've gone over 10gb for the past 5 months and have never gotten an Email. But if you know how its working then you would know that they cant actually see that you are tethering. Its just from data usages from how people have been reporting it. Plus PDANet is a pain to use. I have to have the App on all of the devices I want to connect to? It has to be USB? and only one device???? thats too much to give away when I could be using my custom APN or Barnacle tether.....
btw. its not misinformation, its the truth
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Yeah thats why I've gone over 10gb for the past 5 months and have never gotten an Email. But if you know how its working then you would know that they cant actually see that you are tethering. Its just from data usages from how people have been reporting it. Plus PDANet is a pain to use. I have to have the App on all of the devices I want to connect to? It has to be USB? and only one device???? thats too much to give away when I could be using my custom APN or Barnacle tether.....
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as i said before, there have been people with low usage who have received emails, don't assume that high usage is the method they are using to crack down
are you implying that someone who watches tons of HD quality vids and creates high GB per month usage is going to receive a tethering notice? we all don't really know how its working, so please refrain from talking out your butthole when no one really knows the facts
if its truth as opposed to misinformation, then please cite sources, otherwise youre just talking out your butthole once again, til you can show your evidence, you might as well have made up everything you said
and if you don't like pdanet, theres a simple solution, dont use it, and leave this thread, theres plenty of people who might find this useful and appreciate the extra precaution taken with pdanets new feature
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as i said before, there have been people with low usage who have received emails, don't assume that high usage is the method they are using to crack down
are you implying that someone who watches tons of HD quality vids and creates high GB per month usage is going to receive a tethering notice? we all don't really know how its working, so please refrain from talking out your butthole when no one really knows the facts
if its truth as opposed to misinformation, then please cite sources, otherwise youre just talking out your butthole once again, til you can show your evidence, you might as well have made up everything you said
and if you don't like pdanet, theres a simple solution, dont use it, and leave this thread, theres plenty of people who might find this useful and appreciate the extra precaution taken with pdanets new feature
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Im talking out of my buthole? Explain how I do that please
Here; my friend never tethers and he got an email from AT&T being acused of tethering. Look at his data usage.
just so we don't all drop our guards thinking we won't get caught if we just keep our usage low
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/g62wv/i_woke_up_this_morning_to_this_lovely_email_from/
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Im talking out of my buthole? Explain how I do that please
Here; my friend never tethers and he got an email from AT&T being acused of tethering. Look at his data usage.
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ive never used an iphone, so i have to ask, if you are using a jailbroken phone with an app that is not the standard iphone att tethering app, why would it register under the iphones att statistics? i would be much more satisfied with an article or some other more credible source than a pic of a random iphone statistic with your anecdotal experience attached to it (unreliable narrator problem)
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ive never used an iphone, so i have to ask, if you are using a jailbroken phone with an app that is not the standard iphone att tethering app, why would it register under the iphones att statistics? i would be much more satisfied with an article or some other more credible source than a pic of a random iphone statistic with your anecdotal experience attached to it (unreliable narrator problem)
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Because tethering Apps are shortcuts for APNs really. So the tethering counter counts data going through a tethering APN. Therefore any tethering app that is a APN shortcut (MyWi) would be counted because it goes through the tethering APN.....
So are you going to explain how to talk through my butthole, or are you going to ignore that and look stupid for saying it?
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Because tethering Apps are shortcuts for APNs really. So the tethering counter counts data going through a tethering APN. Therefore any tethering app that is a APN shortcut (MyWi) would be counted because it goes through the tethering APN.....
So are you going to explain how to talk through my butthole, or are you going to ignore that and look stupid for saying it?
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Like I said before all u gave me was a pic with a likely story to go with it, please cite a credible source, I have no evidence that the story behind the pic is true, I mean why do u even have a pic of ur friends usage, its awfully convenient and I like to get my facts straight before I buy into something and forums I've learned are breeding grounds for huge amounts of misinformation, honestly u just seem to be trolling here so pardon me if I don't just buy ur anonymous pic with unverified story
And yes talking with ur butthole I didn't think this need an explanation but... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=talking out of your ass
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Like I said before all u gave me was a pic with a likely story to go with it, please cite a credible source, I have no evidence that the story behind the pic is true, I mean why do u even have a pic of his usage its awfully convenient and I like to get my facts straight before I buy into something and forums I've learned ae breeding grounds for huge amounts of misinformation
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Alright, then cite your sources saying that people on Android phones are being caught for unoffical tethering and that AT&T can actually see it on Android phones....
btw that picture was for another forum. I got it from my friend when this whole thing started...
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Alright, then cite your sources saying that people on Android phones are being caught for unoffical tethering and that AT&T can actually see it on Android phones....
btw that picture was for another forum. I got it from my friend when this whole thing started...
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I don't know how they do it that's the point, no one does, att has not disclosed how they do it in order to avoid to having people figure ways around it, so since we are all just guessing at it, I suggest we err on the side of caution hence why I created this thread to inform people,not to attract trolls like moths to a flame, and for the record I try to maintain my usage around 2gb to be safe because u could be right although I believe I read somewhere that someone with low usage was sent a warning as well so that is where my doubt comes from, truthfully I haven't even looked into how pdanet is hiding tethering usage exactly or if it actually works, but like I said I believe in erring on the side of caution
I tethered my Atrix to my iPhone 4 when I was working on it at school, probably no more than 20MB. Got a letter in the mail, a call, and the text. I, on average, use around 6GB/month (non tethering). They're just mad that my $2500/year isn't good enough for them. Sorry, let me give you 20 of my unborn children.
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I don't know how they do it that's the point, no one does, att has not disclosed how they do it in order to avoid to having people figure ways around it, so since we are all just guessing at it, I suggest we err on the side of caution hence why I created this thread to inform people,not to attract trolls like moths to a flame, and for the record I try to maintain my usage around 2gb to be safe because u could be right although I believe I read somewhere that someone with low usage was sent a warning as well so that is where my doubt comes from, truthfully I haven't even looked into how pdanet is hiding tethering usage exactly or if it actually works, but like I said I believe in erring on the side of caution
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Ill leave it at this:
My guess...
AT&T is working there way down the list of people with high data usage or whatever they look for and they are emailing them.
If that is true, my time is coming up.
I'll remember to PM you when/if I get an email from AT&T regarding unauthorized tethering usage.
"At one point in everyone's life (that posts something online), everyone will have been a troll at least once."
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I tethered my Atrix to my iPhone 4 when I was working on it at school, probably no more than 20MB. Got a letter in the mail, a call, and the text. I, on average, use around 6GB/month (non tethering). They're just mad that my $2500/year isn't good enough for them. Sorry, let me give you 20 of my unborn children.
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What method did u tether with?
Please stay on topic - asking just about the phone capability please.
I have spent an hour searching the web and no thread indicates whether it is data only or also voice/phone capable.
I know that we can pull a phone application, but the question is if the modem is phone capable or not.
If you answer please link to your source, or share how you know.
I think for many if this is also a phone (and not just a VOIP sub-par option) it could go head to head with a Note2, with a reduced budget.
Thanks.
Even i am looking for this questions answer but not getting proper answer..Its not confirmed yet abt voice calls/sms
Add one more to the list of people who would like to know the answer to that question. I'd like to upgrade my Galaxy S, which is getting a bit long in the tooth, and I wouldn't mind to loose the back camera (I seldom use it anyway, plus I actually have a digital Point-and-shoot). Also, since I don't make that many calls, a small, cheap tablet makes total sense for me...
My guess is that, if the Nexus 7 with 3G is anything like the original Galaxy Tab (probably one of the original Android Tablets) on that department, then voice is a given. But you never know if the modem is crippled in any way...
Also, since we're on this topic, any news if the launch date is global, or only for the US? And if the 3G will be Europe-friendly, for that matter?
Miguel
I have used Line 2 on mine, so I don't see why it wouldn't work.
Interested in knowing too.
Interesting topic..i've plan to upgrade my n7 to n10 or n7 3g..
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This is exactly what I would like to know. Is there hardware that needs to the N7 to make it 3g capable or will Google send and an update to current N7 owners?
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Is there hardware that needs to the N7 to make it 3g capable or will Google send and an update to current N7 owners?
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As far as I know, currently shipping N7s completely lack any kind of 3G-capable hardware. It's simply not installed, period. And, since that hardware it's a tiny chip with even tinier contact points that needs to be soldered at manufacturing time (not to mention the rest of the supporting hardware, including the antenna, and already supposing the PCB actually has the required traces in place, which may or may not be the case), then ANY currently N7s being sold will never be 3G capable by themselves. Unless someone develops some kind of dongle to be added, though I don't even know if that's possible...
So, unless I'm terribly wrong, to get an N7 with 3G, you'll need a new one.
Now, one question that popped into my mind in the meanwhile. There was at least one review that took the N7 apart that found out the PCB for the N7 actually has a mounting area for a back camera, and probably all the PCB traces are in place, too. At the time, the reviewer said it could have been a leftover from the design phase, or something that had to be cut back due to the target cost. With these new SKUs popping up, do you think Google will eventually throw the back camera in at some point?
Miguel
i,ve asked google customer support several days ago on this same question but not yet get an answer. one thing i,m certain is that this all depends on the modem.that is, the modem may be data connection capable only, or may also be capable for making voice calls.
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i,ve asked google customer support several days ago on this same question but not yet get an answer.
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How did you manage to do that? I've been all over Google's support pages and have found nothing that even remotely looked like an e-mail address where we could ask for questions. Or a support form, for that matter...
any news regarding that? i really want to know!
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any news regarding that? i really want to know!
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My guess is, unless someone can get their hands on one of them before November 13th, we'll have to wait until at least then to get this question answered.
Also, a bit OT, but does anyone know launch dates for all countries? It would suck so much to have to cross the border just to get my hands on one... Right now, you can only get the 32GB Nexus 7 in Portugal (we completely skipped the 8GB and 16GB versions, they were never even available, though the good news is that we got the 32GB version along with the US), though only through retail (no Play Store for anything other than apps).
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How did you manage to do that? I've been all over Google's support pages and have found nothing that even remotely looked like an e-mail address where we could ask for questions. Or a support form, for that matter...
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I can't remember very clearly . i just playing around at android.com looking for some customer support page,where i could ask questions via email since i am not at us. i finally made it at some page like 'my order'. i filled in some personal info,and managed to sent out my question to google. the 'order id' field was not required, but after that i was not able to find the page anymore. the support pages really sucks. just toooooo much links and i keep jumping everywhere and finally get lost,
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If its no voice calls then i will not buy i guess,better i will buy galaxy tab 2 but NoT sure but on gsmarena.com they mentioned that ONLY DATA,NO VOICE CALLS on uppar side of specs.
I have been trying to find the answer to this question as well without any luck. Would be nice to get this confirmed or denied in a official way but i guess we wont know untill nov 13th
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How did you manage to do that? I've been all over Google's support pages and have found nothing that even remotely looked like an e-mail address where we could ask for questions. Or a support form, for that matter...
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here the response from google customer support: The Nexus 7 3G version currently does not have a built-in phone app, so it will not be capable of making any phone calls. It has 3G data connectivity and Wifi as of now and currently may be used with any carrier that supports GSM/UMTS/HSPA+.
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here the response from google customer support: The Nexus 7 3G version currently does not have a built-in phone app, so it will not be capable of making any phone calls. It has 3G data connectivity and Wifi as of now and currently may be used with any carrier that supports GSM/UMTS/HSPA+.
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Still can't find anything besides a "send feedback" link over at Android.com. I think you were extremely lucky
Anyway, that reply might be a good thing after all: we all know the phone app is disabled for the N7, it has been said before. However, as someone also already mentioned, it's usually possible for people to enable that app, even if you need a custom ROM for it. So, assuming the whole "does not have a built-in phone app" thing only means "we didn't enable voice capabilities because, frankly, it would cannibalize our other offerings, but the underlying hardware is perfectly capable of doing that" (not that you would actually hear anyone from Google saying that, or have them write that down... lol), we'll be golden.
Is any way you can reply to that e-mail and specifically ask which is the baseband/chipset they will be using for the data capabilities? If we had that tidbit of information, we should be able to know if voice could be unlocked or not...
What a way to start my day, with a hopeful news... Nice!
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Still can't find anything besides a "send feedback" link over at Android.com. I think you were extremely lucky
Anyway, that reply might be a good thing after all: we all know the phone app is disabled for the N7, it has been said before. However, as someone also already mentioned, it's usually possible for people to enable that app, even if you need a custom ROM for it. So, assuming the whole "does not have a built-in phone app" thing only means "we didn't enable voice capabilities because, frankly, it would cannibalize our other offerings, but the underlying hardware is perfectly capable of doing that" (not that you would actually hear anyone from Google saying that, or have them write that down... lol), we'll be golden.
Is any way you can reply to that e-mail and specifically ask which is the baseband/chipset they will be using for the data capabilities? If we had that tidbit of information, we should be able to know if voice could be unlocked or not...
What a way to start my day, with a hopeful news... Nice!
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i reply the customer support's email with another question but they didn't give me the direct answer!
my qusetion was:
"thanks for your kindly help. would you tell we if the hardware modem itself supports voice calls? as you know,in android,a 3rd party phone app could take the work of the built-in phone app. so lack of built-in phone app really doesn't matter much. eager for your reply and thanks again!"
their response:
" The N7 3G version can be used for Voice over IP calls, such as Skype, or Google Voice, etc but you will not be able to use the tablet as a phone. Hope that helps."
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decemberpei said:
their response:
" The N7 3G version can be used for Voice over IP calls, such as Skype, or Google Voice, etc but you will not be able to use the tablet as a phone. Hope that helps."
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I think that kind of confirms where the blogsphere is currently on this topic.
No cell for us
__Miguel_ said:
How did you manage to do that? I've been all over Google's support pages and have found nothing that even remotely looked like an e-mail address where we could ask for questions. Or a support form, for that matter...
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Apparently you did not look that hard..
Google Contact Page
Device Support Number 1-855-836-3987
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Werwood said:
I think that kind of confirms where the blogsphere is currently on this topic.
No cell for us
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Technically No...
It doesn't answer whether or not the modem(radio) inside the device has been limited (hardware wise) to only a Data connection.
The N7 runs the tablet version of Android, which means the Phone Feature (dialer, etc) has been removed.
The phone dialer you see on some tablets, are custom to that manufacturer, not added by Google.
What we need to know is if the Hardware part of the N7 will allow for a Voice connection to be made. If so, then the Software part can be added back in. Which I'm sure if the hardware needed is there, then the many geniuses here on XDA will quickly make the Dialer appear
And I might be completely mistaken here, but SMS should be possible since its Technically Data, and only requires a Phone Number to route the messages. If SMS is possible, I would be happy with just that, as I do not use voice (if I needed to, I have a cell for that, which I pay an extreme amount for, but only make on average 2 calls a month) - But this would also require the SMS app be added back into the N7 firmware.
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I think it all come down to Waiting... Waiting for the device to be release, and someone taking it apart to see what its capable of.
Since Google employees people in their service department that are not completely "Tech" savvy, I don't think we can take any answer they give as fact.
I called them the other day, and asked about the Modem/Radio within the Nexus 7 3G.. and The CSR answer was "No you can not plug a Phone Cord or Ethernet cable into the device, and if you want to listen to the radio you must download a 3rd Party App or Try our Google Music service, but it's not a radio" - Couldn't help but laugh uncontrollably for 10min straight.
Wondering if their has been any talk or work of this rom coming to our phone?
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Probably never since it doesn't appear bootloader will ever be unlocked.
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Just use a launcher with a good AOSP theme. You will keep all the useful Samsung features, keep the superior signal, keep the stability and superior camera but have the look you want.
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Just use a launcher with a good AOSP theme. You will keep all the useful Samsung features, keep the superior signal, keep the stability and superior camera but have the look you want.
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and you'll also keep 4.3 while everyone else will be on 5.0.. if you want CM at this moment you'll need the dev edition.
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Just use a launcher with a good AOSP theme. You will keep all the useful Samsung features, keep the superior signal, keep the stability and superior camera but have the look you want.
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I see you post this a lot on here, and this couldn't be further from the truth. While I don't doubt you may have experienced this on your devices, in your service area, this isn't the case everywhere.
I'd go so far as to say most of the time, in my area, my vanilla devices hold a better signal than my Note 3 on touchwiz so please stop trying to spread this like its fact
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I see you post this a lot on here, and this couldn't be further from the truth. While I don't doubt you may have experienced this on your devices, in your service area, this isn't the case everywhere.
I'd go so far as to say most of the time, in my area, my vanilla devices hold a better signal than my Note 3 on touchwiz so please stop trying to spread this like its fact
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It's just not the same. There are several places that I visit regularly and have for years. One is a buddies shop in BFE I was going to every weekend this summer.
His Motorola Razr Maxx would get usable 3g data my stock Samsung GS3 would get 1xRtt data with sporadic unusable data. I switched to a AOSP/CM based rom and the next time I visited, nothing, zero, nada. So it's not like i am comparing number of graphical bars to each other. I would actually try to use it and the difference was night and day.
Another location is our local Meijers store. On AOSP, twenty feet into the building I got nothing, on TW stock I would get at least a marginal 1xRtt data stream.
Repeated multiple locations, time and time again, not judging by bars, judging by actual usability. AOSP will lose every time, same phone, same apps, just the difference between AOSP and TW. It's as unbiased as I can be......
Yes I agree, every location and device will behave differently but I spent a lot of time researching it and a developer basically told me AOSP has to use a different RIL than TW. (I think that's what it was). Basically it's because Samsung won't give up the proprietary code and it's not open source because it is code that makes the hardware be able to interface with the software(in the most basic explanation). So the AOSP guys do their best to make it work, but through the last several iterations I haven't seen it get as good as TW on a Samsung phone.
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kwkw480 said:
and you'll also keep 4.3 while everyone else will be on 5.0.. if you want CM at this moment you'll need the dev edition.
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Yeah its not a big deal to me anymore. By the time that happens I will have upgraded again.
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NeoMagus said:
I see you post this a lot on here, and this couldn't be further from the truth. While I don't doubt you may have experienced this on your devices, in your service area, this isn't the case everywhere.
I'd go so far as to say most of the time, in my area, my vanilla devices hold a better signal than my Note 3 on touchwiz so please stop trying to spread this like its fact
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That's -4dBm difference, which is pretty much the same. I'd rather have TW frameworks with industry leading ServiceMode or Engineering menu, than no ability to control my modem, Band Selection, RAT, etc. Seriously...
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That's -4dBm difference, which is pretty much the same.
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Exactly why I posted, if the signal on tw is so superior then why isnt it much better on my note 3 was all I was saying.. I dont see a difference in my service area between the two and if it is its always negligible, and usually my vanilla device reports lower dbm, again in my area.. your options preferences have nothing to do with what we were talking about regarding signal quality between cm/tw or maybe I read your post wrong..
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Exactly why I posted, if the signal on tw is so superior then why isnt it much better on my note 3 was all I was saying.. I dont see a difference in my service area between the two and if it is its always negligible, and usually my vanilla device reports lower dbm, again in my area.. your options preferences have nothing to do with what we were talking about regarding signal quality between cm/tw or maybe I read your post wrong..
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Your signal may be "reported" differently on CM ROMs, but that doesn't mean that your actual radio frequency reception is "better".
There are so many different algorithms and variables determining what you actually see on the screen, and I'd rather go with Qualcomm's proprietary closed source, signed and licensed version than generic counterpart, but again that's just me, and I'm not saying it's better or worse.
Unless one Note 3 was a lemon and has worse RF characteristics due to poor quality control...
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Exactly why I posted, if the signal on tw is so superior then why isnt it much better on my note 3 was all I was saying.. I dont see a difference in my service area between the two and if it is its always negligible, and usually my vanilla device reports lower dbm, again in my area.. your options preferences have nothing to do with what we were talking about regarding signal quality between cm/tw or maybe I read your post wrong..
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Which is why I never base my results on relatively meaningless measurements. Only on actual use.
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I just loaded 4.4 roms onto my galaxy s2 s and gave them to my kids. locked bootloader be damned. We need some kit kat love on this beast.
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