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If you do not know Samsung Poland confirmed on their wall - no Exynos and no MicroSD slot for GT 10.1
Looks like Samsung went really all the way to make itself look like Apple - I don't think it is a smart move.
First of all, thera are not many differences between 10.1v and 10.1. If you find the old one cheaper take it! You will not loose much. One thing I am not certain is screen type in 10.1v - if you know what it is, for certain please let us know.
So... new GT is thinner, has a bit better screen and worse camera - that is it!
It is also more expensive that all of its Android competition that is offering better functionality (Acer and Asus).
Yes, they are thicker and heavier but the difference is not that big like 50%.
What is more they offer a lot more I/O ports for better connectivity and PRICE.
As it seems none of the tablets of the current generation is THERE yet, to fulfil most of our expectations this means we have to settle for something to get by, something cheap... a lesser evil. Is GT 10.1 it? I do not think so.
It will loose in volume against the iPad 2. This is certain (apple has better marketing and is already on the market). What is more bigger sales means for many people that it "=" it is better.
It will (probably) loose against Asus - price and features says so. GT is only better design wise. Do you really want to pay extra for few grams less and few mm less?
It might even loose against upcoming Amazon tablets.
Now... if we are really to see quad core tablets this year or q1 next and also tablets with Windows 8 on board this means now you want tablet that is THE CHEAPEST and will loose as little as possible.
In my opinion it will be (today) Acer/Asus basic model or iPad2 (as this will always find its buyer).
Samsung shame on you! (at least in theory) You had winning cards on your hands and all you did was - nothing :-(
In my case it is decision time - get something (16GB) cheap or just f..k it and wait.
galtom said:
If you do not know Samsung Poland confirmed on their wall - no Exynos and no MicroSD slot for GT 10.1
Looks like Samsung went really all the way to make itself look like Apple - I don't think it is a smart move.
First of all, thera are not many differences between 10.1v and 10.1. If you find the old one cheaper take it! You will not loose much. One thing I am not certain is screen type in 10.1v - if you know what it is, for certain please let us know.
So... new GT is thinner, has a bit better screen and worse camera - that is it!
It is also more expensive that all of its Android competition that is offering better functionality (Acer and Asus).
Yes, they are thicker and heavier but the difference is not that big like 50%.
What is more they offer a lot more I/O ports for better connectivity and PRICE.
As it seems none of the tablets of the current generation is THERE yet, to fulfil most of our expectations this means we have to settle for something to get by, something cheap... a lesser evil. Is GT 10.1 it? I do not think so.
It will loose in volume against the iPad 2. This is certain (apple has better marketing and is already on the market). What is more bigger sales means for many people that it "=" it is better.
It will (probably) loose against Asus - price and features says so. GT is only better design wise. Do you really want to pay extra for few grams less and few mm less?
It might even loose against upcoming Amazon tablets.
Now... if we are really to see quad core tablets this year or q1 next and also tablets with Windows 8 on board this means now you want tablet that is THE CHEAPEST and will loose as little as possible.
In my opinion it will be (today) Acer/Asus basic model or iPad2 (as this will always find its buyer).
Samsung shame on you! (at least in theory) You had winning cards on your hands and all you did was - nothing :-(
In my case it is decision time - get something (16GB) cheap or just f..k it and wait.
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You really don't make valid points. SD card slot is useless to the average consumer in HC as you have to Root to even use it ! You complaining 'get something cheap' sorry buddy 499.99$ and 599.99$ is cheap iPhone 4s sell for 400 even.
To answer your question YES people will pay for something as thin and light as the iPad but running Android. Common sense
I suspect the Tegra 2 must be a Honeycomb thing. Seems on the Galaxy S 2 get the Exynos, but the tablet doesn't. Maybe Google had to make some shortcuts getting Honeycomb out quickly and only optimized it for Tegra 2? *shrug*
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 gives up a lot of features. I had a Transformer and it was really hard making the decision between features and low cost versus basically comfort.
I broke it down this way to myself. The Transformer is a hybrid device. It can be a okay-ish tablet or and okay-ish Android netbook. I don't think it really excels at either, as comprimises do seem to have been made so it can do both.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 however is no hybrid. It's a pure tablet. It's design to be comfortable and to consume data.
End the end I decided I don't need a hybrid. I got a laptop, so I want my tablet to give me the best tablet experience possible and try not to be more than it can be. So no HDMI out to TVs, no fancy netbook style keyboard dock, sadly even no micro SD.
The lack of micro SD hurts the most. I don't think it's a sacrifice Samsung needed to make. It feels like a business move to help boost sales of the more expensive models. It's a business and I think it's a decision they are able to get away with at this time because the competition isn't strong enough on the Android side. I would have thought including micro SD could have been smart to maybe sway some people thinking about an iPad 2, and this feature could be an extra differentiating feature.
Oh well, we've beaten the micro SD dead horse quite a bit though. But at least with Android it'll be easier to drag and drop files between the internal storage and a computer if I need to shuffle things around for more space.
There is always the option of just waiting. But I really don't see any manufactures coming out with a very light tablet like Samsung. So it could be quite a wait.
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You really don't make valid points. SD card slot is useless to the average consumer in HC as you have to Root to even use it ! You complaining 'get something cheap' sorry buddy 499.99$ and 599.99$ is cheap iPhone 4s sell for 400 even.
To answer your question YES people will pay for something as thin and light as the iPad but running Android. Common sense
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Well, I am assuming that since it is there and more tablets are actually getting to the shops worldwide - it will work.
I never said no one will buy it . One would say that a MAN has to be mad to get an ipad or iPhone when there is so many better things out there... and than you look at cash Apple makes and amount of stuff it sells.
If you think Samsung product will win just because it is (bit) thinner and (bit) lighter- I say you are wrong.
But as I do not love Apple I really wish the best to Sammy - it is just that thinner and lighter is not enough for me to spend my money.
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You really don't make valid points. SD card slot is useless to the average consumer in HC as you have to Root to even use it ! You complaining 'get something cheap' sorry buddy 499.99$ and 599.99$ is cheap iPhone 4s sell for 400 even.
To answer your question YES people will pay for something as thin and light as the iPad but running Android. Common sense
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It sounds like he's comparing the Transformer with the Galaxy Tab 10.1. With the Transformer, you don't have to root to use the micro SD, it's working right out of the box.
So you can buy a $400 16GB Transformer, insert a $20 16GB micro SD card and have a 32GB tablet for $420. To get 32GB of storage with the Galaxy Tab 10.1, that costs $600. So the $180 premium for the GT 10.1 is kinda difficult to embrace.
And this is kinda my complaint with many of the tablets. Why are they charging +$100 to go from 16GB to 32GB. 16GB is not worth $100 and I think this is what makes the lack of micro SD particularly troubling. I would have less of a problem having no external storage if I didn't feel like I was being robbed. Haha.
And kudos to Acer for being a little more civil. 16GB A500 costs $450 and the 32GB is $500. So at least they only charge $50 more for 16GB of additional storage.
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If you do not know Samsung Poland confirmed on their wall - no Exynos and no MicroSD slot for GT 10.1
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I think you already knew the answer after so many posts, do you?
galtom said:
Looks like Samsung went really all the way to make itself look like Apple - I don't think it is a smart move.
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Probably, but probably not. At least Samsung is right on the phone side, the Samsung Galaxy S is one of the best selling Android phones, if not simply the best.
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First of all, thera are not many differences between 10.1v and 10.1. If you find the old one cheaper take it! You will not loose much. One thing I am not certain is screen type in 10.1v - if you know what it is, for certain please let us know.
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You right, but for some of users, the look and form factor are quite important.
If you think 10.1v is OK, then go for it.
At least, the 10.1v has been REPLACED by the 10.1, by Samsung.
Meaning, it will be (or already) discontinued.
Will you buy that 10.1v? If you do, then good luck!
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So... new GT is thinner, has a bit better screen and worse camera - that is it!
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Yes, it is thinner and some people like that and prefer that. And there is nothing wrong with it.
If you like the chubby and fat one, that's also OK. Some people like fat girl/dude
All in all, why arguing about 10.1v?
Samsung made it obsolete, even Vodafone UK has replaced it with the new 10.1.
There is no point arguing 10.1v, it is history now.
And the camera, yeah, some of use don't really care with camera on a tablet!
It is no use and you look like an idiot for holding it to make a photo.
Also, all of us has our cool 5 or 8 MP Android smartphone with decent camera.
That camera on the front of tablet is for VIDEO CHAT, and you don't need high res for that. Why? To reduce the network bandwidth requirement of course!
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It is also more expensive that all of its Android competition that is offering better functionality (Acer and Asus).
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Sure, ASUS is cheaper. But it is different form factor. Some people might not like it, like me And if you really follow the news or ASUS TF forum you might see the built quality is not that good.
It is your choice, and that's good on Android.
YOU HAVE CHOICES.
Do you want GT 10.1 to not be released just because of there is a cheaper ASUS?
Or do you think GT 10.1 should be priced at the ASUS price level?
Oh yeah, we will LOVE cheaper product.
But, alas, that does not ... Too bad ... too bad.
However, some people will still buy more expensive one. Why? It's a choice!
They might like the thinner form factor ... They might like the PLS display ... They might like the TouchWiz!!!
Are those people stupid? NO!!! It's their choice with their money.
Are those people who choose ASUS TF stupid? NO!!! NO!!! They have their needs.
People have different needs.
And we should be thankful to Android world ... THERE ARE CHOICES.
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Yes, they are thicker and heavier but the difference is not that big like 50%.
What is more they offer a lot more I/O ports for better connectivity and PRICE.
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Yupe, that's true.
Unfortunately, this is NOT DELL, where you can choose what do you want, build on order type of thing.
That does not exist till now on Android world.
I hope someday that will be, where we can choose which processor, how much internal memory, amount of RAM, software, UI, slots, whatnot.
Till then, choose whatever available
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As it seems none of the tablets of the current generation is THERE yet, to fulfil most of our expectations this means we have to settle for something to get by, something cheap... a lesser evil. Is GT 10.1 it? I do not think so.
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According who? You?
Yes, you
And you are right ... but, right according you.
There is nothing wrong with your opinion.
So others! The people who choose GT 10.1
galtom said:
It will loose in volume against the iPad 2. This is certain (apple has better marketing and is already on the market). What is more bigger sales means for many people that it "=" it is better.
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For sure it will. Note, the Android tablet world is still new
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It will (probably) loose against Asus - price and features says so. GT is only better design wise. Do you really want to pay extra for few grams less and few mm less?
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ASUS? I don't care ... and some users don't care either! See in some forum threads, some people returned their ASUS TF to get this GT 10.1.
They are exists! People who choose GT 10.1 instead of ASUS.
Including me.
Something wrong with ASUS? Probably! Probably not, however you cannot simply say that ASUS is better than GT 10.1 just because it is cheaper Nah, that would be to simple ... for some, $100 different is nothing compare to the satisfaction of the device itself.
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It might even loose against upcoming Amazon tablets.
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So what??? I don't get it.
This is business 101. Something might be better compare to the other.
Do you think there is no user bought those tablet with Froyo?
You wrong! There are people bought that
galtom said:
Now... if we are really to see quad core tablets this year or q1 next and also tablets with Windows 8 on board this means now you want tablet that is THE CHEAPEST and will loose as little as possible.
In my opinion it will be (today) Acer/Asus basic model or iPad2 (as this will always find its buyer).
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Haha Yeah right ... Wait for that Windows 8 or buy Acer/ASUS/iPad2
There is nothing wrong with that. It's your choice.
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Samsung shame on you! (at least in theory) You had winning cards on your hands and all you did was - nothing :-(
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Nothing? You kidding me? Did you read all those reviews? Did you?
Right, that's your opinion and there is nothing wrong with that.
Others (a lot of them) disagree, others who said GT 10.1 is the sleekest Android tablet to date
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In my case it is decision time - get something (16GB) cheap or just f..k it and wait.
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Sure, please wait I think that's the best for you and I already said that many times hehehe ...
I know, you just disappointed that you don't get the "PERFECT" device as you wished or dreamed. And now you are just throwing all your disappointment like this. I know
You know (you knew), there is no perfect device, not yet. But some people are not that picky or have different usage pattern. Those people might choose something which is available right now. And enjoy the toy ... enjoy the life and play with it
So, be happy as you still have your passion for Android tablet.
Keep wishing and keep dreaming (as I do as well), that someday ... some manufacturer ... will make that magical device like in our dream.
*gosh ... I cannot believe that I typed this all *
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It sounds like he's comparing the Transformer with the Galaxy Tab 10.1. With the Transformer, you don't have to root to use the micro SD, it's working right out of the box.
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R u sure of that? That at Asus microSD just simply works?!?
Now.... that just makes an ass out of Moto
galtom said:
R u sure of that? That at Asus microSD just simply works?!?
Now.... that just makes an ass out of Moto
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Positive. I've owned two Transformers already. They are nice tablets. It was very tough deciding between the Transformer and Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Besides what I already mentioned, I also don't like the Transformer speakers though. They are weak and off balance.
One another thing. Read the Galaxy Tab 10.1 review at anandtech.com. They tested the camera on the GT 10.1 and compared it with the Transformer.
We get reminded megapixel size isn't everything. Anandtech.com found the picture quality on the 3MP GT 10.1 camera better than the 5MP Transformer camera.
Ravynmagi said:
It sounds like he's comparing the Transformer with the Galaxy Tab 10.1. With the Transformer, you don't have to root to use the micro SD, it's working right out of the box.
So you can buy a $400 16GB Transformer, insert a $20 16GB micro SD card and have a 32GB tablet for $420. To get 32GB of storage with the Galaxy Tab 10.1, that costs $600. So the $180 premium for the GT 10.1 is kinda difficult to embrace.
And this is kinda my complaint with many of the tablets. Why are they charging +$100 to go from 16GB to 32GB. 16GB is not worth $100 and I think this is what makes the lack of micro SD particularly troubling. I would have less of a problem having no external storage if I didn't feel like I was being robbed. Haha.
And kudos to Acer for being a little more civil. 16GB A500 costs $450 and the 32GB is $500. So at least they only charge $50 more for 16GB of additional storage.
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name brand high class 16gb cards are 40$+ not 20.
Well, I played with GT 10.1 for a bit on Samsung Mobile Live Stands. I do like its design a lot (but I am not sure it would be enough to spend a lot more than on Transformer).
So far in Poland it is impossible to even touch any other tablet beside iPad2 :-(
Transformer and Iconia are in pre-order status. And I do want to touch before I buy - this stuff aint actually cheap so I want to make my choice right.
At the moment (as much as I love GT 10.1) Transformer looks smarter (FOR ME !) but once I will be able to actually use it for a bit than I will know.
Then it will all be in price difference as mentioned above. I would not be as worried if I could at least watch Netflix on HC . But with no Netflix, no 720p high profile there is not much to actually watch on tablet in Poland (not my fault)!
Yes it is all my opinions, I think I can have one?
gogol:
10.1v - would I buy old, discontinued product... if price would be good YES. In this case all internals are the same so it is not like support for 10.1v will end because of 10.1. It is the same device ;-)
Yay! I was just thinking to myself, "Two threads on SD cards aren't enough -- I wish someone would create a third thread."
Sorry, it is just that I have felt really disappointed about this. Happens :-(
jamaicansolja said:
name brand high class 16gb cards are 40$+ not 20.
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16GB Sandisk class 4 (which is a lot better than most of the so called more expensive class 10 cards) for $18.
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDSDQM-016G-B35-16GB-Microsd-Memory/dp/B001F7AJKI
You can find a lot of good Sandisk 16GB micro SD cards under $20, very easily. And because you aren't running an OS off these cards, but using it mostly for storage, it doesn't have to be lightning fast either, just good quality.
PS. Though, should you want to run an OS off of it, such as for a Nook Color, the San Disk cards are awesome at that too, because they have really great 4K read/write performance.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1005633
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Yay! I was just thinking to myself, "Two threads on SD cards aren't enough -- I wish someone would create a third thread."
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Oh, there are a lot more than just 2 threads.
Ravynmagi said:
16GB Sandisk class 4 (which is a lot better than most of the so called more expensive class 10 cards) for $18.
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDSDQM-016G-B35-16GB-Microsd-Memory/dp/B001F7AJKI
You can find a lot of good Sandisk 16GB micro SD cards under $20, very easily. And because you aren't running an OS off these cards, but using it mostly for storage, it doesn't have to be lightning fast either, just good quality.
PS. Though, should you want to run an OS off of it, such as for a Nook Color, the San Disk cards are awesome at that too, because they have really great 4K read/write performance.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1005633
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so then why are you linking a class 2 card for 20$. Far different than class 10. You serious about why you would want a fast card ? Put a 1gb movie file on a class 2 the on class 10.
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R u sure of that? That at Asus microSD just simply works?!?
Now.... that just makes an ass out of Moto
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I own a TF and I can confirm that too. SD card works out of the box, no issues, no rooting required
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so then why are you linking a class 2 card for 20$. Far different than class 10. You serious about why you would want a fast card ? Put a 1gb movie file on a class 2 the on class 10.
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I have a $35 Patriot Class 10, a $30 Wintech Class 10, and a $20 Sandisk Class 4 (packaging says Class 2, but Sandisk mostly ships just C4 these days).
The Patriot and Wintech give nice looking benchmarks with CDM. But in the real world, I can copy a 1GB file to the SanDisk Class 4 faster than to either Class 10 micro SD cards.
Sandisk makes really awesome micros SD cards. People don't need to spend an arm and leg on some mega fast 20MB/s write speed card just for a tablet. But if you wanted to, that is an option that would still be far cheaper than what Samsung is charging you for their internal storage, which according to the Antutu benchmark isn't even quite class 10 itself (though I haven't had the chance to do an actual file copy to it to see how fast it really is).
Got to say I agree with the OP - had high hopes for this tablet as it combined the style of the ipad2, android and I hoped micro SD, but the lack of the latter has really put me off. The still unknown UK release date doesn't help either - do samsung really have such a lack of respect for their prospective customers? It's a shame as they do a lot right - the galaxy S phones are superb.
My thoughts on the SD slot and the Tab in general
Have to say I don't agree with the OP.
A few thoughts:
-Samsung Poland doesn't mean that Samsung USA or other countries will not have an SD card slot.
-From internal sources I heard that the plan was to release the tab with the micro sd (that's why you see it in many pictures). Something went wrong with either software or hardware (most probably hardware) and since Samsung had the June 8th date already set up they released it without.
They probably thought is better to release a product than to postpone (don't forget they have deals with distributors, Amazon, Best Buy, etc.) and they probably thought that the problem is hardware related, otherwise they could fix it later on with a software release.
If you think about it, it doesn't make sense to show so many pictures with a micro sd slot and then scratch it out completely - if they could have included it they would have done it.
Having said that, the chances that Verizon's version will have an SD slot are small, since even Verizon's website doesn't mention it. But that was indeed the plan. We will know soon.
-Saying that because of the lack of an sd card slot the whole tablet is not competitive anymore doesn't make any sense.
The 10.1V is thicker and heavier. And for a product that is supposed to be used on the go all the time that makes a huge difference.
As a matter of fact, every single tablet on the marker is thicker and heavier. So Sd card or not Samsung put so much into the design that it will have a winner.
The better camera on the 10.1 is not a deciding factor for 99.9% of the people.
Proof is the Ipad's 2 cameras megapixels are very low. On top of that, people don't buy tablets to take photos.
(Check this out http://www.buzzfeed.com/burnred/spike-lee-uses-his-ipad-to-photograph-president-ba-281t ... people still make fun of him...)
-I am also pissed off about the sd card, but at the end of the day an Sd card slot saves $ 20 - 30 to the consumer.
It gets down to that. Most consumers will still buy an sd / usb adapter no matter what.
-All this talk about Exynos but really every single Android Table is running on Tegra 2 - so if you were expecting the 10.1 to run on Exynos without reading / hearing anything about before you should have known it's a long shot
-In a mobile world there are 2, 3 main operating systems, so the form factor IS everything.
Look at the ipad 2, they added a camera and slimmed down the tablet and people rushed to sell their ipad 1 to get the new one.
Look at the Xoom, the software works, the connections are there, but you put it in your bag and you might as well cancel your gym membership because you will be lifting weights.
I saw the Tab 10.1, it's super slim, it's super light, it has a nice screen and it runs Android 3.1.
The deciding factor is the form and nothing else.
Er.. So, Why did amazon bother to not add the android market, if they aren't going to block loading APKs, or actively try to prevent root?
My mom who knows nothing about android could be walked through that process...
Try asking B&N the same thing?
Amazon thought it through perfectly. They aren't selling or attempting to actually sell a mobile computing device (tablet). They are selling a next gen Kindle (PMP). Have a look at the Nook Color and the iPod Touch, then compare against a Galaxy Tab, Xoom, Thrive, iPad 2, and Transformer. See the difference?
If they wanted the Android Market, Google has strict requirements that would keep amazon from doing all the data mining they want to sell ad data to partners. If you have the Google Android Market on a device you make Google gets all the info..
I think....
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cos they just made so you buy from amazon.com they make a $10 loss on each one, they hope to gain that from selling stuff via amazon.com
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cos they just made so you buy from amazon.com they make a $10 loss on each one, they hope to gain that from selling stuff via amazon.com
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It doesn't look like they are taking much of a loss at all according to this study: http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=212876 Making a profit actually.
Mama Luigi said:
Try asking B&N the same thing?
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I've been curious about the nook as well.
On the other hand, even if not a lot, I figured they were making a bit more money off of their product than amazon who is potentially using their tablet as a loss leader.
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I've been curious about the nook as well.
On the other hand, even if not a lot, I figured they were making a bit more money off of their product than amazon who is potentially using their tablet as a loss leader.
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It's all about "branding" the consumer. The earlier a company can get you to like/use their product the more likely it is you will continue to use them. The AF, by trying to restrict content and funnel only to their "approved" providers they can make dollars on volume. Apple does the same thing by getting their products into schools. Get 'em while their young! lol McDonald's does the same thing. What parent doesn't relent (often enough) to the protestations of their kid lamenting for the latest Happy Meal toy?
Downsides are galore. If a high school senior only knows Apple..they are severely limited in the marketplace (like it as not it's still a MS Business World). McDonald's? Fat kids with poor eating habits...Amazon Only Contest? One loses the richness of choice. See what I mean?
(I just might be a little cynical? lol)
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It's all about "branding" the consumer. The earlier a company can get you to like/use their product the more likely it is you will continue to use them. The AF, by trying to restrict content and funnel only to their "approved" providers they can make dollars on volume. Apple does the same thing by getting their products into schools. Get 'em while their young! lol McDonald's does the same thing. What parent doesn't relent (often enough) to the protestations of their kid lamenting for the latest Happy Meal toy?
Downsides are galore. If a high school senior only knows Apple..they are severely limited in the marketplace (like it as not it's still a MS Business World). McDonald's? Fat kids with poor eating habits...Amazon Only Contest? One loses the richness of choice. See what I mean?
(I just might be a little cynical? lol)
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You're dead on actually. This is a proven marketing method that works so well that various companies are banned from using it (tobacco, alcohol, etc). Apple's variant has been particularly successful because they didn't just get their product out to the kids. They also worked hard to convince the kids that without an Apple product, you weren't cool. Once this took hold, all Apple needed to do was continue to play upon that theme with each later device, as the "cool factor" propagates on its own, both forward and backward across generations. The older crowd by nature wants to appear to be young and hip, and the very young crowd want to appear older and cool. So, Apple wins across the board, from the elementary school almost all the way up to the retirees.
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You're dead on actually. This is a proven marketing method that works so well that various companies are banned from using it (tobacco, alcohol, etc). Apple's variant has been particularly successful because they didn't just get their product out to the kids. They also worked hard to convince the kids that without an Apple product, you weren't cool. Once this took hold, all Apple needed to do was continue to play upon that theme with each later device, as the "cool factor" propagates on its own, both forward and backward across generations. The older crowd by nature wants to appear to be young and hip, and the very young crowd want to appear older and cool. So, Apple wins across the board, from the elementary school almost all the way up to the retirees.
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The iPhone 4S is a failure in the sense that it looks like and has the same appearance as the iPhone 4. No discernable COOL factor here. Buyers will have to wear a pin "This Is The 4S"
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The iPhone 4S is a failure in the sense that it looks like and has the same appearance as the iPhone 4. No discernable COOL factor here. Buyers will have to wear a pin "This Is The 4S"
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iPhone 1G, 3G, and 3GS all looked identical as well, but that didn't stop shoppers, nor the "cool" effect brought of having an "in" product. The appearance and technical excellence have little to nothing to do with it. "I have an iPhone," on the other hand does, and that's the brilliance behind Apple's variant on the "capture the hearts and minds of the young" marketing approach.
Er. Guys.
Let me say the iphone 4s may have failed in a few ways.
1. People expected an iphone 5. Even if it would have the exact same hardware.. people wanted to hear "iphone 5". Apple failed at marketing.. which is big since it is almost more of a marketing company than anything else.
2. A lot of people *were* hoping to see changes. Being totally honest.. the iphone design is tired in a lot of ways. The 3.5" screen is small despite the iphone being almost the same size as a 4" device. The problem is if they raise the size to 4" then it is just going to look gigantic..
Apple is in a bad situation honestly. If they change it, they alienate a lot of fans.
If they don't, the design just keeps looking older and older..
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Er. Guys.
Let me say the iphone 4s may have failed in a few ways.
1. People expected an iphone 5. Even if it would have the exact same hardware.. people wanted to hear "iphone 5". Apple failed at marketing.. which is big since it is almost more of a marketing company than anything else.
2. A lot of people *were* hoping to see changes. Being totally honest.. the iphone design is tired in a lot of ways. The 3.5" screen is small despite the iphone being almost the same size as a 4" device. The problem is if they raise the size to 4" then it is just going to look gigantic..
Apple is in a bad situation honestly. If they change it, they alienate a lot of fans.
If they don't, the design just keeps looking older and older..
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Myself, and the others that I know that are technically inclined are in complete agreement with you. On the flip side, not one of my friends or customers, that use their iPhones as status symbols more than anything else, feel that way. To them, it's a new iPhone, and they want it. Sadly, that bunch easily outnumbers the technically inclined. I feel that is pretty accurate for the market as a whole as well - those that know better are the minority by a long shot.
They thought it through, but with their own concept on reality
No Google market, the low storage and no microsd slot are all by design to force a bunch of lemmings (they appear to think we all are) into their revenue cloud.
Just wait till folks get on the road with these things and find out the cloud only hovers around a wifi connection
IMO, the Flyer is the current best 7" device for price and features. Compared to the Fire:
1. 8gb more storage
2. 512mb more ram
3. The SoC per Anandtech and my own practical tests performs better with Flash, games, video and everything else in between (I also have a Droid 3, which has 512mb ram and 4430 SoC to compare in a practical manner).
4. Microsd slot
5. GPS
6. BOTH markets
7. Install from other sources
8. Camera
9. Better build
The extra $100 seems a very sound investment for most folks.
The Fire IMO is a low end, second rate iPad wannabe, with a UI and storefront model to support it. CrabApple.
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On the flip side, not one of my friends or customers, that use their iPhones as status symbols more than anything else, feel that way. To them, it's a new iPhone, and they want it.
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But it looks exactly the same as last year's model. Now in order to feel superior, they have to ask everyone holding one if they have the 4 or 4s. That's a lot of work.
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But it looks exactly the same as last year's model. Now in order to feel superior, they have to ask everyone holding one if they have the 4 or 4s. That's a lot of work.
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Who cares? The 4S is released as a mid-range device. Apple has no high-end devices now... They're failing on this release.
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But it looks exactly the same as last year's model. Now in order to feel superior, they have to ask everyone holding one if they have the 4 or 4s. That's a lot of work.
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One would think, right? Not the case. So far, I have but one iPhone lover that isn't budging on the update to the 4S, 30-40 that are getting it because it's new, and 8 that are converting from Android to iOS and are rather excited to get it.
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They thought it through, but with their own concept on reality
No Google market, the low storage and no microsd slot are all by design to force a bunch of lemmings (they appear to think we all are) into their revenue cloud.
Just wait till folks get on the road with these things and find out the cloud only hovers around a wifi connection
IMO, the Flyer is the current best 7" device for price and features. Compared to the Fire:
1. 8gb more storage
2. 512mb more ram
3. The SoC per Anandtech and my own practical tests performs better with Flash, games, video and everything else in between (I also have a Droid 3, which has 512mb ram and 4430 SoC to compare in a practical manner).
4. Microsd slot
5. GPS
6. BOTH markets
7. Install from other sources
8. Camera
9. Better build
The extra $100 seems a very sound investment for most folks.
The Fire IMO is a low end, second rate iPad wannabe, with a UI and storefront model to support it. CrabApple.
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Being totally honest, I must admit I am considering the Kindle fire, but I am waiting to see what else comes out first.
If I *only* wanted a tablet, spending 100$ more on a flyer would be ok.. But, I also have a few other things on my "christmas list" A few ps3 games (infamous2 and resistance3), a new comp case.. (obsidian 650d) and I would like a tablet so I can read manga somewhere besides at my computer screen.
So for me, it becomes an issue of practicality.. How much can I really afford to spend on a tablet in the near future?
I mean sure it *is* limited to the cloud.. however without the internet most devices become borderline useless anyway.
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Being totally honest, I must admit I am considering the Kindle fire, but I am waiting to see what else comes out first.
If I *only* wanted a tablet, spending 100$ more on a flyer would be ok.. But, I also have a few other things on my "christmas list" A few ps3 games (infamous2 and resistance3), a new comp case.. (obsidian 650d) and I would like a tablet so I can read manga somewhere besides at my computer screen.
So for me, it becomes an issue of practicality.. How much can I really afford to spend on a tablet in the near future?
I mean sure it *is* limited to the cloud.. however without the internet most devices become borderline useless anyway.
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For what you say, Snow, the AF might well be ideal for what you seek. The again, let's all keep in mind that as of right now, the AF cannot really be considered an "android tablet" but more a "dedicated e-reader running android". That is if/until it is rooted by some of the marvelous devs on XDA.
My money's on the devs. lol
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Being totally honest, I must admit I am considering the Kindle fire, but I am waiting to see what else comes out first.
If I *only* wanted a tablet, spending 100$ more on a flyer would be ok.. But, I also have a few other things on my "christmas list" A few ps3 games (infamous2 and resistance3), a new comp case.. (obsidian 650d) and I would like a tablet so I can read manga somewhere besides at my computer screen.
So for me, it becomes an issue of practicality.. How much can I really afford to spend on a tablet in the near future?
I mean sure it *is* limited to the cloud.. however without the internet most devices become borderline useless anyway.
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Depends on what you use. I have tons of games, videos and emulator roms. Use them while traveling and other area where wifi is no open or available.
This device is as limited as you could get.
As far as rooting, why? There is no space to do anything with it. Breach the Amazon cloud and the functionality is even less. Assuming inflation for my contract manufacturing days for connectors (buyer), the total cost for a sd slot port is 75 cents to add to design (components circuit bridge). This means probably $1.50 applied to sellers to maintain margin.
Could argue that is money they save, but I suggest the lack of one is FAR more costly, since it will sell well until people are savvy to no card expansion and the "forced" cloud use. They should have added the slot, but it is not there by design- they want cloud usage so they can data mine and also get revenue linked to their B class iTunes effort.
For someone not constrained on an extra $100, the Flyer is FAR better for reasons mentioned above (at least). Added: Heck, even my very non-tech wife does not want the Fire, due to no microsd slot. A key reason she also did not want an iPad either.
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Snow_fox said:
Er. Guys.
Let me say the iphone 4s may have failed in a few ways.
1. People expected an iphone 5. Even if it would have the exact same hardware.. people wanted to hear "iphone 5". Apple failed at marketing.. which is big since it is almost more of a marketing company than anything else.
2. A lot of people *were* hoping to see changes. Being totally honest.. the iphone design is tired in a lot of ways. The 3.5" screen is small despite the iphone being almost the same size as a 4" device. The problem is if they raise the size to 4" then it is just going to look gigantic..
Apple is in a bad situation honestly. If they change it, they alienate a lot of fans.
If they don't, the design just keeps looking older and older..
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I have an iPod 4 64gb and like it a lot, but would not have a iPhone, since too constrained for me (ditto on an iPad). Still, the new models have the dual core and a 64gb option. Not too shabby for iPhone lovers who are media and game freaks.
The problem is the "retina display". If they increase the size, ditto on the display res. Probably too costly and not reliable enough for efficient yields from production. Cost curve for a 4" retina is probably evil (for now).
I want to get the 8gb N4 because that 299 price tag looks so good, but I am scared to because I feel like the resale value will be not so great. What do you guys think??
i think the re-sale value will maintain well. Especially if the next gen nexus is of a higher cost than this gen.
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i think the re-sale value will maintain well. Especially if the next gen nexus is of a higher cost than this gen.
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I feel like there would be a lot more demand for the 16gb if I were to list it on craigslist or something similar. Maybe I'm just being too harsh on the lil 8 gigger haha
I think that for an extra $50, you get double the storage and, if you decide to sell, twice the appeal in the after market. If you can afford the extra $50, I'd suggest you dig deep and get the 16. You can always use < 16 GBs of space but you can't use > 8 if you need it.
there will always he a higher demand for higher capacity. But many look for the best price, and the 8gb will still be cheaper than the 16gb
The thing is I know I'm not going to fill up the 8gb (or closer to 5.5 to 6) because I use google music and dropbox/drive. The only things I would have on it would be apps and photos. I do have the $50 but I would rather put it towards either the wireless charger or a portable charger. I guess I am just not convinced to get the 16 yet. I sound like a woman haha
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there will always he a higher demand for higher capacity. But many look for the best price, and the 8gb will still be cheaper than the 16gb
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This is very true, you get a thanks for that!
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The thing is I know I'm not going to fill up the 8gb (or closer to 5.5 to 6) because I use google music and dropbox/drive. The only things I would have on it would be apps and photos. I do have the $50 but I would rather put it towards either the wireless charger or a portable charger. I guess I am just not convinced to get the 16 yet. I sound like a woman haha
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I can understand but . . . . do you know how many times I've said "oh, I'll never use XXX much space". On computers, phones, iPod, etc. And the one time it happens that you need just a LITTLE more space, you will be be pissed at yourself. I think someone said that in the 8 GB model, only like 5.5 GBs are actually usable. Maybe you get bored of stock android and you want to start switching ROMs. Maybe you use Google Music but you'd like one of your favorite playlists to save to the phone so you don't have to stream it, who knows.
I really would use the extra $50 for the 16. I'd also wait a little for the charging orb thing. If it really catches on it is my experience that all sorts of smart people will start manufacturing cheaper clones that are just as good.
Sounds to me like someone has already made their decision long ago and only made this thread to burn time until launch.
Take a look at what the 8gb n7 is going for now that they restructured the pricing with release of the 32gb. Some people are pissed they are loosing their arses on it.
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I can understand but . . . . do you know how many times I've said "oh, I'll never use XXX much space". On computers, phones, iPod, etc. And the one time it happens that you need just a LITTLE more space, you will be be pissed at yourself. I think someone said that in the 8 GB model, only like 5.5 GBs are actually usable. Maybe you get bored of stock android and you want to start switching ROMs. Maybe you use Google Music but you'd like one of your favorite playlists to save to the phone so you don't have to stream it, who knows.
I really would use the extra $50 for the 16. I'd also wait a little for the charging orb thing. If it really catches on it is my experience that all sorts of smart people will start manufacturing cheaper clones that are just as good.
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You are making very good points and making me even more torn between the two, if that was even possible..
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Take a look at what the 8gb n7 is going for now that they restructured the pricing with release of the 32gb. Some people are pissed they are loosing their arses on it.
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Also a valid point. We very well could see a 32gb version in a few months.
ctowne said:
Also a valid point. We very well could see a 32gb version in a few months.
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If the 16GB becomes $300, I can wait
ctowne said:
Also a valid point. We very well could see a 32gb version in a few months.
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Maybe, the Galaxy Nexus never saw a 32 (the actual Google phone), but the N7 did. I wouldn't bet much that we'll see an N4 with 32 GBs.
I think I'll go for the 8 unless someone really convinces me otherwise. And hey if it's not enough i'll sell it and buy the 16 while its still fresh on the market. Also, if they do in fact come out with a white one I would be interested to see what it would look like.
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I think I'll go for the 8 unless someone really convinces me otherwise. And hey if it's not enough i'll sell it and buy the 16 while its still fresh on the market. Also, if they do in fact come out with a white one I would be interested to see what it would look like.
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Darnit, I thought I was so close to convincing you! :angel:
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Darnit, I thought I was so close to convincing you! :angel:
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Haha you did a very good job! "A" for effort. I just feel like phone manufacturers charge ridiculous amounts for extra storage. The 16 probably costs LG/Google less than $15 extra from the 8. That's probably overshooting it too. You can get an 8 gig micro sd for practically nothing nowadays.
The 8GB N7 was $200, and many people would only offer $140-$160 for it as of recently. I think I'll be going 16GB this time around with the N4 though; hopefully it won't be discontinued too quickly
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The 8GB N7 was $200, and many people would only offer $140-$160 for it as of recently. I think I'll be going 16GB this time around with the N4 though; hopefully it won't be discontinued too quickly
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why would it be discontinued?
I think a lot of what you can get for a slightly used Nexus 4 be it 8GB or 16GB will depend on how soon you want to sell it. Also it will depend on if Google sells out at some point.
Is it just me, or is the Xoom the best Android tablet STILL after 2 years? No other tablet from any other manufacturer (or offered by any carrier) offers the combination of LTE, external SD storage, quality screen, fast processor (once overclocked), and overall usability. I've seen the samsung tabs that are out, and none of the LTE ones are really an improvement over the xoom. They offer a dual core, 1 GB of RAM, same resolution screen, etc. I have no intention on replacing my Xoom unless something really groundbreaking comes out (1080p screen, LTE, external SD support, solid battery life). Thoughts?
I agree and I hate that the nexus series doesn't have place for external SD storage....wtf did they think??
Preach!
The XOOM has the worst display panel I've ever seen on a modern device. Colors are bleached they're so pale.
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The XOOM has the worst display panel I've ever seen on a modern device. Colors are bleached they're so pale.
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Had to be one hater
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Had to be one hater
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So being honest about my device makes me a hater? Sound logic.
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So being honest about my device makes me a hater? Sound logic.
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Seriously.
I don't get threads like this. Is the OP just trying to justify not upgrading his tablet or the fact that he has a relatively old device? Every 6 months we see new and better hardware. The Xoom is not the best, by any means. It is outdated.
That doesn't mean it doesn't still hold its purpose. It is holding up well, especially with custom rom support but compare it to the performance of a Nexus 7 or a Nexus 10 or even a Galaxy Nexus. Compare it to an S3. There are notable performance differences.
Honestly, the Xoom was a bit of a flop on launch; it was a rushed beta product. It shipped with beta software (lol Honeycomb), software that didn't even support the micro sd card (we had to wait until 3.2 for this I believe), its display is garbage, (it should have had the same display as the original Transformer tablet), and its prices were a joke ($600 with 2yr contract, $800 off contract). Eventually we got a $600 wifi version, though still overpriced IMO. And of course the marketing for the device was just plain bad; no surprise there though, Motorola device marketing is always poor.
With all that said, the Xoom has been a great device and I've used it endlessly over the past 1.5 years. But to try and say its still the best tablet on the market is just foolish. I might agree that its the best of the 2011 10" tablets that were released, but the Transformer had nearly identical specs with a better display and the advent of a keyboard dock, I'm just not sure how development over there has been.
Anyway, point is, the Xoom was and remains a great device. It has endured the test of time, in large thanks to developers like Team Eos. But it is by no means the best tablet on the market. That ship sailed quite some time ago.
There still isn't another Android tablet I'd rather have (well other than the Kindle Fire 8.9 HD because I like the interface for Amazon Instant Video.) I really don't care about all of this performance that people go gaga over because I don't use my XOOM for games. It does what I need it to snappily enough. The only thing I would even consider replacing this with is the Surface Pro.
If this tablet died today, I would be sorely tempted to get a used XOOM LTE before I priced out another Android tablet.
I don't mind that the screen is subpar, a 10" tablet is still small anyway.
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Its still a good device... there are wayyyyyy better tablets out there but still. I'm keeping mine just to install in whatever car I buy in a few no that. It should do just fine!
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Seriously.
I don't get threads like this. Is the OP just trying to justify not upgrading his tablet or the fact that he has a relatively old device? Every 6 months we see new and better hardware. The Xoom is not the best, by any means. It is outdated.
That doesn't mean it doesn't still hold its purpose. It is holding up well, especially with custom rom support but compare it to the performance of a Nexus 7 or a Nexus 10 or even a Galaxy Nexus. Compare it to an S3. There are notable performance differences.
Honestly, the Xoom was a bit of a flop on launch; it was a rushed beta product. It shipped with beta software (lol Honeycomb), software that didn't even support the micro sd card (we had to wait until 3.2 for this I believe), its display is garbage, (it should have had the same display as the original Transformer tablet), and its prices were a joke ($600 with 2yr contract, $800 off contract). Eventually we got a $600 wifi version, though still overpriced IMO. And of course the marketing for the device was just plain bad; no surprise there though, Motorola device marketing is always poor.
With all that said, the Xoom has been a great device and I've used it endlessly over the past 1.5 years. But to try and say its still the best tablet on the market is just foolish. I might agree that its the best of the 2011 10" tablets that were released, but the Transformer had nearly identical specs with a better display and the advent of a keyboard dock, I'm just not sure how development over there has been.
Anyway, point is, the Xoom was and remains a great device. It has endured the test of time, in large thanks to developers like Team Eos. But it is by no means the best tablet on the market. That ship sailed quite some time ago.
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Everything you say is true. I was not saying that it is the best tablet on the market spec wise, I just see no other tablet offered that has the Xoom's combination of features. Sure the Nexus 10 is great, but why can't I get one with external SD support and LTE? I use my Xoom primarily for work, so the LTE is a huge selling point (I do a lot of traveling). The only android tablet available right now that can match what the Xoom has to offer is the Samsung Galaxy 2 10.1, and it has the same Tegra 2, 1 GB of RAM, and a 1280x800 display. I did see that Verizon is launching the Note 10.1 which is rocking a quad core and 2 GB of RAM, but it still has a 1280x800 display. It'll probably look better than the Xoom's display, but my S3 (personal phone) has about the same resolution as the tabs I just mentioned (1280x720 vs 800) and that's a much smaller screen. I'm seriously hoping the Asus Transformer TF700KL becomes available here.
You are also absolutely right that Team EOS has been a huge part in keeping the Xoom alive. I convinced my coworker to get the Xoom when it first came out and it was incredibly disappointing. He gave it to me a year later, I installed some older ICS rom and it's performance was satisfactory at best. Since I installed Team Eos 3 stable bluild, my xoom has been an effin' peach!
External sdcards need to die. Internal storage and cloud storage is the future.
Seriously, I've had a 32GB sdcard in my Xoom for over a year and I don't think I've ever removed/swapped it out. I would be perfectly okay with a 64GB internal storage tablet (maybe we'll even see 128 GB in the future? doesn't the iPad come in a 128 GB variant?).
As for LTE, I'm willing to bet we'll at least see a 3G version of the Nexus 10 come out; we saw a 3G Nexus 7 not too long after release.
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External sdcards need to die. Internal storage and cloud storage is the future.
Seriously, I've had a 32GB sdcard in my Xoom for over a year and I don't think I've ever removed/swapped it out. I would be perfectly okay with a 64GB internal storage tablet (maybe we'll even see 128 GB in the future? doesn't the iPad come in a 128 GB variant?).
As for LTE, I'm willing to bet we'll at least see a 3G version of the Nexus 10 come out; we saw a 3G Nexus 7 not too long after release.
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It doesn't need to die but, it will. Alot of potential money is being lost by manufacturers and mobile data carriers.
I have finally come to a situation that leads me needing more than my XOOM can offer. I downloaded SightSpace 3d and brought in a model of the Washington National Cathedral. It's not a complicated model but it crashed. It doesn't on my Galaxy Nexus. I still don't think I'm gonna get another Android tablet though.
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External sdcards need to die. Internal storage and cloud storage is the future.
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Yes, but we're not in that future yet. Cloud services go down far too often these days. At this point, I can get SD cards for almost nothing and switch between movies faster than I can download them. I also am guaranteed a smoother viewing experience as my movies won't fall victim to network latency. It's a nice dream but I live in the present.
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Its not a dream at all if you live in a modern/civilized area.
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It doesn't needAlot of potential money is being lost by manufacturers and mobile data carriers.
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How?
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Its not a dream at all if you live in a modern/civilized area.
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How?
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Most of the world considers a reliable power grid, flushing toilets and ready supply of food to be modern and civilized, so are you just trolling or ignorant?? Of course areas with a higher population will be taken care of first when it comes to technology. The county I live in is larger than the state of Maryland, yet Maryland holds at least five times the population. Who do you think is going to be higher up on the "todo" list?
How, is simple economics. If google/samsung is charging a extra $50 dollars for every 8 gigs of internal storage, they would lose money adding a ext. sd slot since you can pick up a 16 gig card for $10-$20, and a 64 gb for $50-$90 (sometimes less) Why pay them more money for something that you can get more of for less money.
Data mobile carriers can make money on us less "civilized" folk who don't have a abundance of free wifi spots in our area, so, if we aren't near a wifi spot to download from our cloud storage, we have to use mobile data or do without. Two of the big mobile carriers are no longer offering unlimited data, so you have to pay. Others are offering unlimited, but ppl that are using more are getting throttled whether the companies will admit it or not. I won't be surprised if premium data packages start coming out offering faster data speeds by putting those accounts on priority... for a price
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Most of the world considers a reliable power grid, flushing toilets and ready supply of food to be modern and civilized, so are you just trolling or ignorant?? Of course areas with a higher population will be taken care of first when it comes to technology. The county I live in is larger than the state of Maryland, yet Maryland holds at least five times the population. Who do you think is going to be higher up on the "todo" list?
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Hey man, thats some adorable sarcasm. Look at you being all edgy. Man I wish I could be as cute and clever as you are.
Sorry but those places aren't the primary target for high end, high tech devices. By any means. OEMs should be pushing for more advanced tech, not less to accommodate people; this includes sd cards. Have you noticed that Apple hasn't included an sdcard slot for generations? Its no surprise that Google went this route. Its simpler manufacturing wise to not have the slot, helps encourage people to buy the devices with with more available internal storage (and thus have wider profit margins), and it compels people to take advantage of their streaming media market. All of these things help their bottom line.
How, is simple economics. If google/samsung is charging a extra $50 dollars for every 8 gigs of internal storage, they would lose money adding a ext. sd slot since you can pick up a 16 gig card for $10-$20, and a 64 gb for $50-$90 (sometimes less) Why pay them more money for something that you can get more of for less money.
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Again, I point you to Apple. They've been doing this for years and guess what? It works. Consumers buy it. Guess what also has been selling like hot cakes? The new Nexus devices. Yeah, they're sure losing out on a lot of money.
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Seriously, you took my "modern and civilized" comment a bit too literally, don't you think? We're talking about high end mobile devices in a giant nerd forum and you jump straight to HEY MAN RUNNING WATER AND STUFF.
The simple fact is, the cloud is big and getting bigger. Amazon, Apple, B&N and Google all have their hand in the cookie jar, It should be no surprise that they are pushing toward this. Remember that revamp they did last year with the Android market to the Google Play Store? Google Movies/TV. Watch some of their commercials for the tablets; "The Playground is Open." All from the cloud.
Sorry but the future is here and Google isn't going to hold the hands of people that are left behind, they're going to push forward like any smart company.
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Hey man, thats some adorable sarcasm. Look at you being all edgy. Man I wish I could be as cute and clever as you are.
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Thanks.
Sorry but those places aren't the primary target for high end, high tech devices. By any means. OEMs should be pushing for more advanced tech, not less to accommodate people; this includes sd cards. Have you noticed that Apple hasn't included an sdcard slot for generations? Its no surprise that Google went this route. Its simpler manufacturing wise to not have the slot, helps encourage people to buy the devices with with more available internal storage (and thus have wider profit margins), and it compels people to take advantage of their streaming media market. All of these things help their bottom line.
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And your point is?? I said that ext. sd didn't NEED to do but that it was going too. You still haven't explained why it needs to die, except, now, that it helps profit margins for the manufacturers...pretty much making my point for me, thanks again
Again, I point you to Apple. They've been doing this for years and guess what? It works. Consumers buy it. Guess what also has been selling like hot cakes? The new Nexus devices. Yeah, they're sure losing out on a lot of money.
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Apple is a nitch market, If you want to run iOS you need to have a Apple device, only available through Apple, so if they say it doesn't include a ext. sd slot, then it doesn't, if you don't like it, then you don't buy Apple. If you buy a Apple device with 16 gb then 6 months down the road want one with a 32 gb, then you have to buy a new device. Again proved my point.
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Seriously, you took my "modern and civilized" comment a bit too literally, don't you think? We're talking about high end mobile devices in a giant nerd forum and you jump straight to HEY MAN RUNNING WATER AND STUFF.
The simple fact is, the cloud is big and getting bigger. Amazon, Apple, B&N and Google all have their hand in the cookie jar, It should be no surprise that they are pushing toward this. Remember that revamp they did last year with the Android market to the Google Play Store? Google Movies/TV. Watch some of their commercials for the tablets; "The Playground is Open." All from the cloud.
Sorry but the future is here and Google isn't going to hold the hands of people that are left behind, they're going to push forward like any smart company.
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You jumped straight to, anybody that doesn't have constant, reliable ever ready internet access is in the stone age, I was just playing along, your point? Just because because it is big and getting bigger, doesn't mean it is better.
Cubanluke88 said:
Its no surprise that Google went this route. Its simpler manufacturing wise to not have the slot, helps encourage people to buy the devices with with more available internal storage (and thus have wider profit margins), and it compels people to take advantage of their streaming media market. All of these things help their bottom line.
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That is not the reason Google didn't putting sd card in their tablet and phone, Paying MS for using fat32 isn't in google cards,
all other android tech company do for using sd card, Motorola and Google nexus is not paying Microsoft toll money...
That is pretty ridiculous. Your modern civilized world couldn't even support Netflix on Christmas Eve. Part of Amazon's cloud services went down and many things weren't available. During hurricane Sandy, many prominent things on the internet were down. Your wifi and high speed broadband mean nothing if network bridges go down. I've got FiOS and it's still slow at times because the server on the other end only has T1. The cloud is not reliable yet. Most of the mainlines of the internet aren't scalable enough to support everyone cloud streaming everything. Apple is a poor example you've picked. iCloud was a disaster. Apple AND Amazon had a security nightmare in the last year. I can find more examples of these forward reaching companies flaking out if you insist that this is the future. We just don't have the redundancy or the capacity to support a connected world yet. Even if Apple managed to get its stuff together, there are still players that it depends on not to flake out on them.
If this is the future, we're screwed because it is an unstable insecure mess in our little modern and civilized world.
Anyway... My XOOM is 100% able to play every movie I own from my SD cards ALL of the time. If I have power, I have everything I own. I am not at some provider's mercy for data or connectivity. Oh, and by the way I don't have to worry about network security because I don't have to be connected. Ever.
I live in the present. I don't embrace the cloud and keep it at arm's length after a friendly handshake. The XOOM's LTE radio lets me enjoy the best of both worlds. I look to the future but I also remember the past and remain cognizant of what's happening around me.
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3devious said:
. Apple AND Amazon had a security nightmare in the last year. I don't embrace the cloud and keep it at arm's length after a friendly handshake. The XOOM's LTE radio lets me enjoy the best of both worlds. I look to the future but I also remember the past and remain cognizant of what's happening around me.
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Had to smile when i read your post, I host all of my media files and use Plex and Xbmc to access them over the net when i am not at home, As i am posting this a buddy in the caribbean is log on with plex on his At&t Galaxy 10 watching a movie....
Well, My last phone was the N5X 16 GB and I really dont know which variant of the OP5 I should be going for. OFC the higher end one has it's benefits but considering the price is it really worth it? I plan on using the phone for atleast 2 years and I've never used any device over 32 GB memory. Personally I think the higher end model is an overkill. If any of you have used phones with storages over 64GB what are the benefits (other than the obvious ones). I plan on flashing the phone every month or so. Mostly I'll be using it as my primary device for testing. Considering VR is in the scenes do you think 8 GB will be more than necessary?
I don't think 8GB of RAM is necessary at all, but $60 for a jump to 128GB was worth it IMO, and the extra RAM was just the icing on the cake. Most companies charge a $100 premium for a storage bump alone.
Better get 8/128 GB version to be future proof.
Th3_Dark_Knight said:
Better get 8/128 GB version to be future proof.
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No need to worry about that. 1+ will ensure it's timely death in lacking updates forcing everyone to upgrade.
Goronok said:
No need to worry about that. 1+ will kill ensure it's timely death in lacking updates forcing everyone to upgrade.
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For a sub $500 phone and an unlocked bootloader, I'm perfectly fine with them botching updates since I'm going to get the same from Samsung, Motorola, LG, etc. on their $600+ phones.
core2kid said:
For a sub $500 phone and an unlocked bootloader, I'm perfectly fine with them botching updates since I'm going to get the same from Samsung, Motorola, LG, etc. on their $600+ phones.
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Oh, no doubt. Was just saying a purchased based on the thought process of being "future proof" doesn't make much sense.
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Oh, no doubt. Was just saying a purchased based on the thought process of being "future proof" doesn't make much sense.
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Yeah but I don't think saying it's not worth future proofing your phone is a reasonable response. With Custom ROMs, apps requiring more memory, and as more of life just relies on smartphones, I think it's wise to get more RAM and double the storage.
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Oh, no doubt. Was just saying a purchased based on the thought process of being "future proof" doesn't make much sense.
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We are discussing this on xda. OP has enjoyed very good support from dev community. So "future proof" does make sense in that respect.
Th3_Dark_Knight said:
We are discussing this on xda. OP has enjoyed very good support from dev community. So "future proof" does make sense in that respect.
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considering rom backups, music and pictures i dont think i'll ever exceed 30 - 40 GB. What do I use the rest of the storage for lol. Most of my stuff is already on drive and pictures on google photos. I don't think 128 Gigs will future proof anything.
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No need to worry about that. 1+ will ensure it's timely death in lacking updates forcing everyone to upgrade.
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hahah sure but there are custom roms.. and who uses their phone over 2 years these days.
These are my questions too. I had to wait til payday to buy the phone, which they didn't hold it for me like they said they would. So now I'm waiting for the 27th. I'm not sure if I want the 8gb/128gb or the 6gb/64gb. I'm currently using a nexus 6p, so the minimum alone is doubling my ram and my storage. So I know that's all I really NEED. They both feature the same everything else. But, it's available with 2gb more ram, and 2x the storage. Sigh... What to do... I'm pretty sure I want the 8/128
IMHO go for the 6 GB/64 Gb vers. If you have more space u will find more junk to keep. 6/64 is more than sufficient for your purpose. If you are using it mainly for testing what will you do with all the extra space ?
I went with the 64gb model. I was about to order the 128 but after thinking about it, I realized that it is a complete waste for me . Between the fact that 6gb of ram is way more than enough and the fact that with everything being cloud based and streaming , there is just no need for the higher end model. I am using a phone with 4gb ram and 32 gb storage right now and not even close to maxing either one..
amathur2k said:
IMHO go for the 6 GB/64 Gb vers. If you have more space u will find more junk to keep. 6/64 is more than sufficient for your purpose. If you are using it mainly for testing what will you do with all the extra space ?
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Yeah I guess I'll go with the 64 GB one.
Super ! When you do purchase can you perform the following test for me.
1) Overload the phone with 20-25 open apps
2) Further load Chrome with 30 open tabs, several with embedded vidos
3) Now Launch a browser from inside another app (A RSS reader like feedly or even facebook / twitter) navigate within this browser till u find a page with videos (E.g. on techcrunch.com), play the video.
Now try to scroll up and down real fast, and see how the touch response is.
Thanks a ton.
Truestark said:
Yeah I guess I'll go with the 64 GB one.
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amathur2k said:
Super ! When you do purchase can you perform the following test for me.
1) Overload the phone with 20-25 open apps
2) Further load Chrome with 30 open tabs, several with embedded vidos
3) Now Launch a browser from inside another app (A RSS reader like feedly or even facebook / twitter) navigate within this browser till u find a page with videos (E.g. on techcrunch.com), play the video.
Now try to scroll up and down real fast, and see how the touch response is.
Thanks a ton.
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I guess the decision to go with base model 6/64 or higher end 8/128 should entirely depend upon personal use.
If your usual use case is operating 20-25 apps and 30 chrome tabs + games and storing tonnes of photos + videos, sure, go with higher end. However, my usage will not be as demanding as stated so will go with the base model.
This might sound crazy but for me, I simply preferred the appearance of the black one.
I'll be glad to have the 128gb ram - a couple of years ago this would have been really important to me - although with unlimited 4g data and cloud storage / music streaming etc. its less of a factor nowadays.
The difference in price points between the two is reasonable but the biggest draw for me was I wanted the black one.
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hahah sure but there are custom roms.. and who uses their phone over 2 years these days.
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I do, not exactly rich enough to buy decent pricey phones every 2 years. still using a 920 that i hope to sell on
I don't think it's crazy at all, the black looks stunning and a lot of people buy a specific phone because of how it looks. If I didn't always use a case, I would have gone for the black one as well.
I opted for the 64GB - I've filled it with the apps I use, I use Google Pics to store my photos online .... I have like 40GB left ....Didnt feel the need to pay more for something that I wasnt going to use ( ram or extra memory ) - also i prefer my grey