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Atrix Laggy Live Wallpaper

This has been posted before, but it's been a while and this issue is really frustrating me, and it wasn't resolved, so I figure I'll bring it back up.
When I use a launcher with an app drawer transition (LauncherPro, ADW, ANYTHING) I get a HUGE slowdown in framerate when using live wallpapers and pressing the app drawer button. Is this something to do with the live wallpapers not being optimized for Tegra II? Moto is not helpful because they just blame it on the launcher (MotoBlur doesn't have an app drawer transition animation, so there is no noticable lag). I have asked them and they say to report it to the app developer (LauncherPro etc). LauncherPro doesn't respond.
I think it is absolutely rediculous that I can't even use live wallpapers on this "powerful" phone without a huge frame rate reduction. Someone PLEASE help.
Thanks

Have you tried un/checking the "high quality scrolling" option in LP advanced settings?

I fixed that problem with mine by switching to a NS4G lol. Single core and twice as fast, go figure.
The Atrix is a great phone overall, and I miss it sometimes but wouldn't trade back for a minute. Hopefully GB will help with it as it's supposed to support dual core better. I used to complain about the same thing.

WiredPirate said:
Have you tried un/checking the "high quality scrolling" option in LP advanced settings?
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Doesn't do anything. Still laggy.

A lot of Lag

I got this phone yesterday and I must say it looks gorgeous. I set It up adding my emails, widgets etc and then experienced a lot of lag while scrolling on the social hub widget, even the Internet browser takes ages to load and struggles while scrolling.
I'm really unhappy now as my gs2 didn't face such an issue and i was expecting this to be smoother considering it has a faster processor.
I don't want to root this phone for security reasons.
Is anyone experiencing this issue and is there a solution?
Any info would be helpful.
Thank you.

viniturb0 said:
I got this phone yesterday and I must say it looks gorgeous. I set It up adding my emails, widgets etc and then experienced a lot of lag while scrolling on the social hub widget, even the Internet browser takes ages to load and struggles while scrolling.
I'm really unhappy now as my gs2 didn't face such an issue and i was expecting this to be smoother considering it has a faster processor.
I don't want to root this phone for security reasons.
Is anyone experiencing this issue and is there a solution?
Any info would be helpful.
Thank you.
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I notice the lag as well. Opening and closing apps that normally just pop.

I have noticed no lag whatsoever. Im using ADW Ex too

vinokirk said:
I have noticed no lag whatsoever. Im using ADW Ex too
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I am also using ADW Ex and am experiencing some lag when switching between screens etc.

andyiacovou said:
I am also using ADW Ex and am experiencing some lag when switching between screens etc.
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What widgets are you using?
I have about 15 icons, weather widget and digital clock wiget on one screen and nothing on any of the other screens.

Hmmm that might be the problem. I'm using widgets on every screen. I've gone a bit widget bonkers! Having said that I had the same widgets on the Galaxy S2 and didn't suffer lag issues.
I have rooted and am waiting for some decent ROMS to appear, I'm sure that will fix???
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Hi
Hi friends.
I also notice lag and Im using the stock launcher and with almost no widgets.
Apart from the screen issues that one will notice if he uses the devise for reading.
I had the SGS2 before and the difference is noticable.
Such a pitty for such a promising devise.

I changed screen density and only use one screen with go launcher set to have 7x7 grid size. I have 2 widgets, Weather and BBC News, I use upward swipe to open app drawer and not noticed lag at all when in use but I do get around a 1/2 to 1 second delay when pressing power or home to wake the device. Not the end of the world but would be cool if it was instant like the S2.

lumbard said:
I changed screen density and only use one screen with go launcher set to have 7x7 grid size. I have 2 widgets, Weather and BBC News, I use upward swipe to open app drawer and not noticed lag at all when in use but I do get around a 1/2 to 1 second delay when pressing power or home to wake the device. Not the end of the world but would be cool if it was instant like the S2.
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It's the same on my Samsung Galaxy S2 and it's never changed so I wouldn't worry about it.
There were some threads on the SGS2 forum about ideas on how to fix it if I remember rightly.

I love my note but i would have to agree that SG2 is faster compare to note . ( that make ppl feel like the note is laggy as they have used SG2 before )

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thank God the device is super fast....there is no lag at all.....just hard-reset the device and enjoy it

Launcher Pro is much smoother on my Note than ADW...

ADW EX is lightning fast with density hack at 240, all the others lagged.
Obviously mine is rooted. Also using Roboto font.

I have lag
I am comparing when zooming out all the home screens and then selecting one. The animation is faster and smoother on a HTC 4G. ALSO, sometimes when waking the phone the screen will flash the unlocked screen for a second before the lock screen appears ie see your messages app then you see the lockscreen and have to unlock the phone. I just reset the phone thinking this would help but it didn't. Coming from the iphone I am sad that everything isn't backs up like the iphone without rooting. This lag is more picky than a problem. I don't understated lag when the phone is so powerful.

chris Ga said:
I am comparing when zooming out all the home screens and then selecting one. The animation is faster and smoother on a HTC 4G. ALSO, sometimes when waking the phone the screen will flash the unlocked screen for a second before the lock screen appears ie see your messages app then you see the lockscreen and have to unlock the phone. I just reset the phone thinking this would help but it didn't. Coming from the iphone I am sad that everything isn't backs up like the iphone without rooting. This lag is more picky than a problem. I don't understated lag when the phone is so powerful.
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Yeah I agree, I don't understand the lag with such a powerful device. I suppose it is possible that Samsung has used cheaper, slower dram in this phone. Even the Plus animation when the phone boots micro-stutters. Of well, hopefully in a month we can get our hands on the Nexus.

chris Ga said:
I am comparing when zooming out all the home screens and then selecting one. The animation is faster and smoother on a HTC 4G. ALSO, sometimes when waking the phone the screen will flash the unlocked screen for a second before the lock screen appears ie see your messages app then you see the lockscreen and have to unlock the phone. I just reset the phone thinking this would help but it didn't. Coming from the iphone I am sad that everything isn't backs up like the iphone without rooting. This lag is more picky than a problem. I don't understated lag when the phone is so powerful.
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That's the nature of Android, because so many manufacturers can use it, developers need to program apps for all of them in mind and seeing they all have the potential to utilise different hardware you can't expect a developer to be able to foresee these things.
What we need to do is just put a request to the developers and ask if they can make it compatible with the Notes graphics card/drivers making it lag free.
This is exactly why virtually all native Samsung apps run fantastic, because their devs know the hardware and drivers hence know how to get full potential.
What would fix this is every time Google releases a version like ICS they should state exactly which hardware will be ALLOWED to run on this platform. But then you lose the openness.
It's a double edged sword, you have to take the good with the bad..
This is unfortunately where apple shines with the iphone because they make the OS and the device. If they just loosened up on their OS a little then we wouldn't be talking here
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The Note will ONLY get better with each update/support from either Samsung or our beloved developers.. And that's a one way direction.. O)nly better..

Guys the reason for the lag is the constant downclocking of the cpu to 800 or 500mhz as well as unnecessary services apps running in the background. I believe it can be optimised..
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qazzi76 said:
Guys the reason for the lag is the constant downclocking of the cpu to 800 or 500mhz as well as unnecessary services apps running in the background. I believe it can be optimised..
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Not really, mines rooted and have uninstalled all uneeded apps. Although adw doesn't lag anymore, other apps do like Facebook and even ES file explorer.
There is a dedicated gpu which isnt utilised for most of the apps which lag, this is the problem at hand.
The iphones been running a sub 1ghz cpu and less than 1gb of ram for long before android adopted them, but doesnt share the same issues.
But as stated it can only get better from here.
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daoutlawz said:
Not really, mines rooted and have uninstalled all uneeded apps. Although adw doesn't lag anymore, other apps do like Facebook and even ES file explorer.
There is a dedicated gpu which isnt utilised for most of the apps which lag, this is the problem at hand.
The iphones been running a sub 1ghz cpu and less than 1gb of ram for long before android adopted them, but doesnt share the same issues.
But as stated it can only get better from here.
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Agreed in some respects...
Have you installed AnTuTu CPU master?
I have noticed that when the CPU is operating at 800mhz everything lags.
When I force the CPU to 1400mhz using AnTuTu the lag is present for the first homescreen swipe in ADW EX (DPI 260) then it's smooth as butter.
I have also observed this behaviour in launcher pro.
A guy on here recommended using BetterBatteryStats to possibly locate the apps/background services that are unnecessary hogging the CPU.
Fully agreed on the Iphone performance - but that is clearly due to software strictly tailored for hardware.
Android requires brute force due to software required to work on multiple devices
Gotta say tho my Galaxy Tab 7 (First Gen) with overcome is way faster in general operation than the Note... Until I force the processor to stay at 1400mhz - then it just flies.
Clearly the Note has a lot of potential.

Anyone Experiencing LauncherPro Lagginess/Stuttering Should Read This

I've used LauncherPro for about two years, on different devices, and it was always my go-to launcher, because it was fast, functional, and looked great. But ever since I bought my GNote it's been one of the worst launchers. It stuttered even when doing simple homescreen swipes.
After trying out most LauncherPro settings I tried...
Rooting and overclocking - zilch
Switching ROMs (Rocket -> Cassies) - Nada
Overclocking those - nope
Installed the latest kernels (Abyss 3.3&3.4 -> FM 1.5 & 2.0 -> Speedmod) - no chance
That's when I returned to LauncherPro settings and changed the one thing that used to make LauncherPro the smoothest on my last two phones.
Preferences -> Advanced -> Memory Usage Settings -> Homescreen Cache Type -> Compressed or Light
I've tried all three settings on my old phones and LauncherPro functioned best with "normal" but the GNote is just different I guess. I hope this helps.
P.S. make sure to keep: General Settings -> "Keep in memory" checked

I had problems with a lot of 3rd party launchers, but after i adjusted the DPI to 240 (stock 800x480 DPI) i do not have this problem anymore.
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My experience with these launchers are;
Launcher Pro - Smooth with Home screen scrolling but lags / stutters on app drawer scrolling.
Go Launcher - Lags/ stutters on Home screen scrolling but smooth on app scrolling. Disabling High Quality Drawing minimizes the lag on Home Home Screen scrolling.
Twouchwiz - lag-free but lacks the features and flexibility of Launcherpro and Go Launcher.
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LordManhattan said:
I had problems with a lot of 3rd party launchers, but after i adjusted the DPI to 240 (stock 800x480 DPI) i do not have this problem anymore.
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But doesn't that lower the quality of the displayed images?
pinoypower said:
My experience with these launchers are;
Launcher Pro - Smooth with Home screen scrolling but lags / stutters on app drawer scrolling.
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My experience is the exact opposite of this. I guess that goes to show just how different each phone can be.

Do you guys think the lag will be gone once we get ICS? Or does the launcher app have to be coded to use hardware acceleration?

inurb said:
Do you guys think the lag will be gone once we get ICS? Or does the launcher app have to be coded to use hardware acceleration?
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It should be gone with ICS seeing how well nexus runs on ICS
Also don't expect much out of Launcher Pro. It hasn't been updated in forever.

If you have 2D acceleration checked on CM9 ICS ...there is no lag whatsoever. Tested ADW.

iHoneyBadger said:
If you have 2D acceleration checked on CM9 ICS ...there is no lag whatsoever. Tested ADW.
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That sounds promising, so maybe in the end ICS will solve all of our lagginess issues. BTW slightly off topic, but has there been any progress on getting the camera app to work? That is the one major thing I cannot live without for a daily driver ROM.

have you guys tried disabling "elastic scrolling" on launcherpro? I did mine, what a huge improvement on smoothness! It's comparable now to touchwiz
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k1ng617 said:
I've used LauncherPro for about two years, on different devices, and it was always my go-to launcher, because it was fast, functional, and looked great. But ever since I bought my GNote it's been one of the worst launchers. It stuttered even when doing simple homescreen swipes.
After trying out most LauncherPro settings I tried...
Rooting and overclocking - zilch
Switching ROMs (Rocket -> Cassies) - Nada
Overclocking those - nope
Installed the latest kernels (Abyss 3.3&3.4 -> FM 1.5 & 2.0 -> Speedmod) - no chance
That's when I returned to LauncherPro settings and changed the one thing that used to make LauncherPro the smoothest on my last two phones.
Preferences -> Advanced -> Memory Usage Settings -> Homescreen Cache Type -> Compressed or Light
I've tried all three settings on my old phones and LauncherPro functioned best with "normal" but the GNote is just different I guess. I hope this helps.
P.S. make sure to keep: General Settings -> "Keep in memory" checked
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I followed the above steps on my launcher pro and there is a very noticable improvement. Thank you!!

spfraggle said:
I followed the above steps on my launcher pro and there is a very noticable improvement. Thank you!!
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Your welcome! I'm glad I could give back, no matter how small, to this great community.

Strange, I never really had an issue with homescreen swiping with LP, but only with the app drawer opening/closing effect.
This change didn't do anything for that, unfortunately.
And I don't understand why some of you say Touchwiz is smooth. I found it so laggy when I got it! (KK1 kernel) So first thing I did was to get rid of it, and found LP so much smoother (except for app drawer opening).

pinoypower said:
Go Launcher - Lags/ stutters on Home screen scrolling but smooth on app scrolling. Disabling High Quality Drawing minimizes the lag on Home Home Screen scrolling.
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Absolutely correct! After jamming with the settings I was nearly going crazy about the laggy scrolling of my home screen... disabling the high quality drawing solves the problem.
To be honest: I can't see any appreciable advantage after activating this kind of "powerguzzler"... just skip it, folks!
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BrainSex said:
Absolutely correct! After jamming with the settings I was nearly going crazy about the laggy scrolling of my home screen... disabling the high quality drawing solves the problem.
To be honest: I can't see any appreciable advantage after activating this kind of "powerguzzler"... just skip it, folks!
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Agreed. I can't see any discernible difference with "high quality" on either.

Touchwiz vs Nova Launcher on Galaxy S2 running XXLPQ (4.0.3)

I tried both of these and think the Touchwiz launcher's animations and transitions run on the CPU and is hence affected in Powersaving Mode (Frame rate drops), but with Nova Launcher and full GPU rendering, the phone is perfectly fluid even with Powersaving mode. Can anyone confirm this?

Will test later today.
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I first tried Launcher Go ex (or what ever it's called).
Now I'm on Nova Launcher Prime ($4), and it's a lot better.
In combination with the Pro Widgets.
Does it automaticly do full GPU or have you enabled it in de developers settings?

xmoo said:
I first tried Launcher Go ex (or what ever it's called).
Now I'm on Nova Launcher Prime ($4), and it's a lot better.
In combination with the Pro Widgets.
Does it automaticly do full GPU or have you enabled it in de developers settings?
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Seems to be doing full GPU accel without enabling the force option. I have currently disabled the force 2d GPU thing as it causes the wallpaper app to FC.

I'm using Nova Launcher now with DarkyRom, I have to say I would prefer TW, but not sure if there's a CWM flashable version of stock(or something that has TW included) yet.
Nova seems to work fine for me, it does look more like ICS, i've not tested battery life to the max yet, flashed it yesterday, at work now, let's see how long it lasts me on a full day of normal/to high usage.

I'm on Apex

richfreestone said:
I'm using Nova Launcher now with DarkyRom, I have to say I would prefer TW, but not sure if there's a CWM flashable version of stock(or something that has TW included) yet.
Nova seems to work fine for me, it does look more like ICS, i've not tested battery life to the max yet, flashed it yesterday, at work now, let's see how long it lasts me on a full day of normal/to high usage.
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TW lags horribly with System Power Saving on!

anirudh4444 said:
Seems to be doing full GPU accel without enabling the force option. I have currently disabled the force 2d GPU thing as it causes the wallpaper app to FC.
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You think forcing it will give battery issues?
No FC's here when enabled.

kelvs said:
I'm on Apex
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I am also on Apex. It works best for me.

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You think forcing it will give battery issues?
No FC's here when enabled.
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It shouldnt affect battery adversely. Will confirm after testing. With Force 2D option, you are able to set a wallpaper from your gallery? I experience FC's when I try to do that.

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It shouldnt affect battery adversely. Will confirm after testing. With Force 2D option, you are able to set a wallpaper from your gallery? I experience FC's when I try to do that.
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Yes, I have a cute picture of my sisters baby as background.

I am also on Apex. It works best for me. its free

Apex launcher is much better than nova, just saying.
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I was on nova but someone here recommended apex and Im now converted.
Free and very customizable.
Wish Samsung / and others would give you the ability to choose the native look though. I thought Google were going to make everyone do this?
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Yep, Apex is best i think.
Just upgraded to official ICS and with Apex it looks totally like Galaxy Nexus. I dont care about white clock and green battery on status bar, the only thing I wish is better settings.apk(with ICS feel on it) and normal lock screen(Still cant understand, why they didnt wanted to put more functionality on it, camera or dialer/sms. Why did they choose that emtpy lock thingy).

I prefer a simpler experience, I have installed AndyX, and I prefer Trebuchet

richfreestone said:
I'm using Nova Launcher now with DarkyRom, I have to say I would prefer TW, but not sure if there's a CWM flashable version of stock(or something that has TW included) yet.
Nova seems to work fine for me, it does look more like ICS, i've not tested battery life to the max yet, flashed it yesterday, at work now, let's see how long it lasts me on a full day of normal/to high usage.
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You can always get TWlauncher back through DarkyOTA app. I answered this question by searching Google. Remember...Google is your friend do not be scared to use it. Cheers.

Is there any ICS themed launcher that allows you to place the digital clock widget at the top of the screen? They all kick it down 1 line. Also, it would need to allow the accuweather widget to be resized properly, without having text that overlaps.
I have yet to find a launcher aside from Touchwiz that does this.

I much rather prefer 360launcher. Does the job awesome for me. Apex is kinda stuttery for me me, and Go Launcher icons are somewhat smaller than the rest.
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tietherope said:
Is there any ICS themed launcher that allows you to place the digital clock widget at the top of the screen? They all kick it down 1 line. Also, it would need to allow the accuweather widget to be resized properly, without having text that overlaps.
I have yet to find a launcher aside from Touchwiz that does this.
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In Nova you can resize widget to cut out the blank spaces above and below the clock. once done you'll get your 4x1 clock back.

What's up with live wallpapers and lag?

Seriously, why do some live wallpapers cause some horrendous lag on homescreen while some live wallpapers barely cause any lag?
I would think that 1 ghz dual core and 1gb ram is more than enough to handle any kind of live wallpapers. Even overclocking seems to not reduce live wallpaper lag.
Is this just a flaw in Android?
It seems that fully 3D rendered live wallpapers don't have much lag while 2D live wallpapers have the worst lag.
And how is it that some custom launchers are able to reduce this lag?
I used ADW Launcher EX on Honeycomb and I know for a fact that it literally eliminated the lag from a live wallpaper when the same live wallpaper caused really bad lag on stock launcher.

Unfortunately the Tegra 2 GPU isn't very good, especially at 1280 x 800 resolution
it just can't handle the load.

Enabling "forced 2d gpu rendering" helps a bit with the lag. In some cases it helps a lot.
The reason some launchers works better with LWP is simply because they are more light-weight than the stock.

horndroid said:
Seriously, why do some live wallpapers cause some horrendous lag on homescreen while some live wallpapers barely cause any lag?
I would think that 1 ghz dual core and 1gb ram is more than enough to handle any kind of live wallpapers. Even overclocking seems to not reduce live wallpaper lag.
Is this just a flaw in Android?
It seems that fully 3D rendered live wallpapers don't have much lag while 2D live wallpapers have the worst lag.
And how is it that some custom launchers are able to reduce this lag?
I used ADW Launcher EX on Honeycomb and I know for a fact that it literally eliminated the lag from a live wallpaper when the same live wallpaper caused really bad lag on stock launcher.
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No, it's a flaw in the Tegra2. It's a really crappy SoC.

Does this lag happen even on Tegra 3?

No, T3 has a much better GPU

sigh. Can't believe something like this is making me want to upgrade.

Stock launcher seems to create more lag with live wallpapers, using one like ADW Launcher EX gives a much smoother experience

Some live wallpaper are better made then others, tegra 2 can run very nice ones without lag, but that depends on the developer. Tegra 2 is not that bad. If tegra 3 can run those bad ones smoothly you better belive it will still be a battry drainer
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anarox said:
Some live wallpaper are better made then others, tegra 2 can run very nice ones without lag, but that depends on the developer. Tegra 2 is not that bad. If tegra 3 can run those bad ones smoothly you better belive it will still be a battry drainer
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Nope. I've tried literally every available live wallpapers, paid and free.
Full 3D rendered live wallpapers don't have much lag, while 2D live wallpapers with static background have a ton of lag. It doesn't depend on the developer as much. I've tried both 3d and 2d live wallpapers from the SAME DEVELOPER and the 2d one lagged horribly while the 3d one didn't.
Tegra 2 is just that bad. Overclocking doesn't even reduce the wallpaper lag.
People still whining about battery drain from live wallpaper? It's not significant enough to bother me.
I would rather have no lag and battery drain than lag and battery drain.
It's not just about live wallpapers though. Everything is just kinda too slow. I feel more of this everyday. Maybe I am too used to the speed of my desktop or laptop.
Can't wait for a decent quad core tablet to come out.

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No idea what youre talking about. OC'ing helps a lot. But Force 2d GPU rendering is by far the most effective for LWP's.
Actually come to think of it, Ive never encountered a LWP that lags... All some do is slow the launcher down to a halt, resulting in anywhere between 1 and 5sec lag between swiping the screens/open the app drawer.
But the LWP has never lagged for me.
If you could give me a name of such a LWP (free, please), Id gladly try it.

Goatshocker said:
No idea what youre talking about. OC'ing helps a lot. But Force 2d GPU rendering is by far the most effective for LWP's.
Actually come to think of it, Ive never encountered a LWP that lags... All some do is slow the launcher down to a halt, resulting in anywhere between 1 and 5sec lag between swiping the screens/open the app drawer.
But the LWP has never lagged for me.
If you could give me a name of such a LWP (free, please), Id gladly try it.
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I have been noticing some errors when using the force 2d rendering option
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Goatshocker said:
Actually come to think of it, Ive never encountered a LWP that lags... All some do is slow the launcher down to a halt, resulting in anywhere between 1 and 5sec lag between swiping the screens/open the app drawer.
But the LWP has never lagged for me.
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Sorry if I wasn't being clear, but the underlined is exactly what I meant by LWPs having lag.
Yea the live wallpapers themselves don't lag but they cause the launcher, including app drawer, to perform horribly.

horndroid said:
Sorry if I wasn't being clear, but the underlined is exactly what I meant by LWPs having lag.
Yea the live wallpapers themselves don't lag but they cause the launcher, including app drawer, to perform horribly.
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Ah yeah, then we're sharing the experience then.
But for me, at least, OC'ing does indeed help with it.
But that said, Ive also noticed that some ROMS perform better with LWP than others.
For example EOS build 12 could play (is that the correct term? well whatever) some LWP's without a single hickup, while build 19 is struggling a lot on the same LWP, launcher, cpu setting etc (but the most strange part is that the more I use build 19, the better it starts performing with LWP's...)
also @anarox, Yes, force GPU rendering isnt without its issues. I guess this is sort of a "you cant both have the cake and eat it" thing