Seriously, why do some live wallpapers cause some horrendous lag on homescreen while some live wallpapers barely cause any lag?
I would think that 1 ghz dual core and 1gb ram is more than enough to handle any kind of live wallpapers. Even overclocking seems to not reduce live wallpaper lag.
Is this just a flaw in Android?
It seems that fully 3D rendered live wallpapers don't have much lag while 2D live wallpapers have the worst lag.
And how is it that some custom launchers are able to reduce this lag?
I used ADW Launcher EX on Honeycomb and I know for a fact that it literally eliminated the lag from a live wallpaper when the same live wallpaper caused really bad lag on stock launcher.
Unfortunately the Tegra 2 GPU isn't very good, especially at 1280 x 800 resolution
it just can't handle the load.
Enabling "forced 2d gpu rendering" helps a bit with the lag. In some cases it helps a lot.
The reason some launchers works better with LWP is simply because they are more light-weight than the stock.
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Seriously, why do some live wallpapers cause some horrendous lag on homescreen while some live wallpapers barely cause any lag?
I would think that 1 ghz dual core and 1gb ram is more than enough to handle any kind of live wallpapers. Even overclocking seems to not reduce live wallpaper lag.
Is this just a flaw in Android?
It seems that fully 3D rendered live wallpapers don't have much lag while 2D live wallpapers have the worst lag.
And how is it that some custom launchers are able to reduce this lag?
I used ADW Launcher EX on Honeycomb and I know for a fact that it literally eliminated the lag from a live wallpaper when the same live wallpaper caused really bad lag on stock launcher.
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No, it's a flaw in the Tegra2. It's a really crappy SoC.
Does this lag happen even on Tegra 3?
No, T3 has a much better GPU
sigh. Can't believe something like this is making me want to upgrade.
Stock launcher seems to create more lag with live wallpapers, using one like ADW Launcher EX gives a much smoother experience
Some live wallpaper are better made then others, tegra 2 can run very nice ones without lag, but that depends on the developer. Tegra 2 is not that bad. If tegra 3 can run those bad ones smoothly you better belive it will still be a battry drainer
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anarox said:
Some live wallpaper are better made then others, tegra 2 can run very nice ones without lag, but that depends on the developer. Tegra 2 is not that bad. If tegra 3 can run those bad ones smoothly you better belive it will still be a battry drainer
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Nope. I've tried literally every available live wallpapers, paid and free.
Full 3D rendered live wallpapers don't have much lag, while 2D live wallpapers with static background have a ton of lag. It doesn't depend on the developer as much. I've tried both 3d and 2d live wallpapers from the SAME DEVELOPER and the 2d one lagged horribly while the 3d one didn't.
Tegra 2 is just that bad. Overclocking doesn't even reduce the wallpaper lag.
People still whining about battery drain from live wallpaper? It's not significant enough to bother me.
I would rather have no lag and battery drain than lag and battery drain.
It's not just about live wallpapers though. Everything is just kinda too slow. I feel more of this everyday. Maybe I am too used to the speed of my desktop or laptop.
Can't wait for a decent quad core tablet to come out.
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Overclocking doesn't even reduce the wallpaper lag.
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No idea what youre talking about. OC'ing helps a lot. But Force 2d GPU rendering is by far the most effective for LWP's.
Actually come to think of it, Ive never encountered a LWP that lags... All some do is slow the launcher down to a halt, resulting in anywhere between 1 and 5sec lag between swiping the screens/open the app drawer.
But the LWP has never lagged for me.
If you could give me a name of such a LWP (free, please), Id gladly try it.
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No idea what youre talking about. OC'ing helps a lot. But Force 2d GPU rendering is by far the most effective for LWP's.
Actually come to think of it, Ive never encountered a LWP that lags... All some do is slow the launcher down to a halt, resulting in anywhere between 1 and 5sec lag between swiping the screens/open the app drawer.
But the LWP has never lagged for me.
If you could give me a name of such a LWP (free, please), Id gladly try it.
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I have been noticing some errors when using the force 2d rendering option
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Actually come to think of it, Ive never encountered a LWP that lags... All some do is slow the launcher down to a halt, resulting in anywhere between 1 and 5sec lag between swiping the screens/open the app drawer.
But the LWP has never lagged for me.
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Sorry if I wasn't being clear, but the underlined is exactly what I meant by LWPs having lag.
Yea the live wallpapers themselves don't lag but they cause the launcher, including app drawer, to perform horribly.
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Sorry if I wasn't being clear, but the underlined is exactly what I meant by LWPs having lag.
Yea the live wallpapers themselves don't lag but they cause the launcher, including app drawer, to perform horribly.
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Ah yeah, then we're sharing the experience then.
But for me, at least, OC'ing does indeed help with it.
But that said, Ive also noticed that some ROMS perform better with LWP than others.
For example EOS build 12 could play (is that the correct term? well whatever) some LWP's without a single hickup, while build 19 is struggling a lot on the same LWP, launcher, cpu setting etc (but the most strange part is that the more I use build 19, the better it starts performing with LWP's...)
also @anarox, Yes, force GPU rendering isnt without its issues. I guess this is sort of a "you cant both have the cake and eat it" thing
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I have a nexus s 2.3.4 (i9023) when running microbes wallpaper lags when going into menu.Any one having this problem.
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live wallpaper is always a bit laggy cuz using more ram
Not ALWAYS. It depends which live wallpaper and what else is using your phones ram. Microbes does make everything laggy. The nexus one I can run with no lag. On the market 3d starfield or something will run no problem ever.
Thanks
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Does not give me any lag at all. The only live wallpaper I have found to lag my Nexus S is the "Honeycomb" ones off the market but I think thats because they are built for a tablet : /
What ROM are you running? What launcher are you using? Do you have a lot of widgets?
no lag for me either
No lag on my stock nexus s using microbes live wallpaper
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What ROM are you running? What launcher are you using? Do you have a lot of widgets?
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Phone is stock, launcher is stock, and I am using a clock, weather, facebook, news, and its smooth as silk...oh and its a Nexus S, not the 4g.
Like I said, no lag whatsoever, only on honeycomb live wallpapers that are designed for tablets I ever get lag.
I had a lot of lags with stock 2.3.4 rom and stock kernel. I simply removed that wallpaper, I can live without!
Now I run on a NSCollab and OC kernel, I suppose it should run better but...who cares?!?
I call BS on the people who day they get no lag. Open the app drawer, does the animation come in buttery smooth? Im guessing no.
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yes, I experience lag when I use the microbes wallpaper, especially when opening the app drawer. I thought it was just my phone, I'm on stock 2.3.4
It's the fact that android has no hardware acceleration that causes this issue. The hummingbird processor isn't the best possible and that combined with not using the GPU leads to these kind of issues. This is perhaps my biggest issue with android, ice-cream sandwich can't get here soon enough.
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It's the fact that android has no hardware acceleration that causes this issue. The hummingbird processor isn't the best possible and that combined with not using the GPU leads to these kind of issues. This is perhaps my biggest issue with android, ice-cream sandwich can't get here soon enough.
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You can say that again....and that's even if the hardware acceleration TRULY fixes this "problem".... When running a live wallpaper on the Xoom table with Hardware acceleration, it still lags really bad (to the point of not being able to use it....) and Honeycomb 3.1 brings MORE hardware acceleration (supposedly) than 3.0......
i remember in the video on hardware acceleration that Romain and the other guy said that this isn't the END ALL answer to the "problem" .......
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You can say that again....and that's even if the hardware acceleration TRULY fixes this "problem".... When running a live wallpaper on the Xoom table with Hardware acceleration, it still lags really bad (to the point of not being able to use it....) and Honeycomb 3.1 brings MORE hardware acceleration (supposedly) than 3.0......
i remember in the video on hardware acceleration that Romain and the other guy said that this isn't the END ALL answer to the "problem" .......
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Perhaps so, I can't say I'm an expert on this issue. But the fact remains that this is a major issue for android. I'm actually quite disappointed to the nexus s due to these problems (and i tried a xoom in a shop - incredible how much lag even the lock screen has, sad actually).
I came to the nexus from HTC Desire and for some reason the lag problem wasn't that noticeable on it. I believe that the Snapdragon processor is a bit better and HTC might have implemented some hw-acceleration themselves. All I can say is Google needs to address these issues ASAP.
Microbes live wallpaper using stock launcher lags on the application menu on my Nexus S and every other Nexus S that I have seen.
Switch to Zeam launcher and the lag stops however.
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i use microbes on the stock ns4g rom. no lag issues in regards to phone performance.. but i do notice after a few days that the wallpaper itself starts to get choppy. the microbes themselves are always smooth.. but the cloud-like background gets really jumpy. going to wallpapers and re-selecting microbes instantly fixes this issue.
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i use microbes on the stock ns4g rom. no lag issues in regards to phone performance.. but i do notice after a few days that the wallpaper itself starts to get choppy. the microbes themselves are always smooth.. but the cloud-like background gets really jumpy. going to wallpapers and re-selecting microbes instantly fixes this issue.
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It lags the app drawer, not the homescreen or the rest of the OS.
For those saying that its the lack of GPU acceleration, your wrong - at least not if your running the stock launcher. The stock launcher is hw accelerated and runs almost every live wallpaper smoothly, app drawer included. The microbes lw is just a pretty intensive live wallpaper and bogs up the GPU regardless.
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Award Tour said:
It lags the app drawer, not the homescreen or the rest of the OS.
For those saying that its the lack of GPU acceleration, your wrong - at least not if your running the stock launcher. The stock launcher is hw accelerated and runs almost every live wallpaper smoothly, app drawer included. The microbes lw is just a pretty intensive live wallpaper and bogs up the GPU regardless.
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I believe we are (at least I am) referring to the ENTIRE OS itself, and not just the App drawer (which, if you can't tell is hardware accelerated, then idk what can convince you lol because it is so smooth). If they can get the entire OS THAT SMOOTH then Android will be perfect IMO (minus battery drain, which on the Nexus S 4G isn't bad anyway.....just not "iPhone 4 good" lol).
Well, the op is saying that his menu/app drawer is laggy when he used the microbes live wallpaper, so we're responding accordingly.
To answer the op, yes, my app drawer is noticeably laggier when using the microbes wallpaper.
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This seems to be such a common problem for android phones and tablets. Even with deodexed, slimmed, optimized roms and overclocked kernels, it just boggles my mind that the homescreen is the slowest part of the android experience. Other apps scroll smoothly and are responsive, but the homescreen is jerky and slow.
Try this: Long click an icon and drag it around the screen. The thing can't follow even a moderately fast-moving finger. And that's just a simple icon moving on a 2d plane. But then, I can run a playstation emulator in 3d without problems.
The same thing has been true on my G1, SGS, Droid Charge, GTab 10.1, and Moto Droid 1.
Am I missing something?
i dunno mayne its the snap to grid that causes it because flipping back and forth from pane to pane is smooth.
Coming from the transformer, this was the first thing i actually noticed. One thing that would help is to change the default wallpaper to one of your own. It actually improves it significantly
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I have a Xoom on 3.2 and the home screen is really smooth. I have looked at many Touchwiz videos on Youtube and it seems very laggy compared to my Xoom. But i guess i will soon see it in person, just ordered a GT10.1 3G.
Only reason that your tab or phone are laggy on homescreen is due to either wallpaper or widget,
To fix it get wallpaper wizardrii and set to no scroll.
In regards to the icons well notice that you have additional few more effects when you tap and hold icons, there is stransparency, grid etc. If you want to move icons from app dock to homescreen it shows both at the same time, and homescreen is active not paused.
Ios will never be able to do this there is just to much
At the moment my tab is acting really weird.
My wallpaper is scrolling although it should not, screen is absolutely jitter free all that happened since I've activated kies via wifi and deselected usb debugging (needed it to install drivers)
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Can't say mine is laggy at all but I'm not using the stock launcher. The latest "UEKMB" slim Launcher2 with enabled hw acceleration and Multipicture LWP looks and feels extremely smooth. I have no comparison to another Honeycomb Tablet but I can't really see it getting noticeable "smoother".
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This seems to be such a common problem for android phones and tablets. Even with deodexed, slimmed, optimized roms and overclocked kernels, it just boggles my mind that the homescreen is the slowest part of the android experience. Other apps scroll smoothly and are responsive, but the homescreen is jerky and slow.
Try this: Long click an icon and drag it around the screen. The thing can't follow even a moderately fast-moving finger. And that's just a simple icon moving on a 2d plane. But then, I can run a playstation emulator in 3d without problems.
The same thing has been true on my G1, SGS, Droid Charge, GTab 10.1, and Moto Droid 1.
Am I missing something?
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I have the same problem.... Before the Touchwiz update my homescreen was very laggy, after the update it became less lagy but you can still feel it when scrolling which, I gotta tell you is the most annoying thing... IS there any way to make my homescreen smoother? I've tried wallpaper wizardrii which helped but after awhile the wallpaper cuts in half... I have no more than 5 widgets on my Tab and i'm still amazed on how bad the screen lag is.... I
I'm using ADW Launcher EX, and the screen is super smooth/responsive. The latest version has a high-density option, so we still get the big icons. It's $2 or $3 but it's worth it, and the other thing is to disable the scrolling desktop.
Give it a try. I'm not sure why the stock launcher is so choppy, but they could learn something from the folks who made ADW.
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Side note: My current ROM/Kernal is completely stock. No root, no OC, and ADW is still silky smooth. BUT... it was even smoother when I was running my Tab at 1400 with AutoKiller.
Adw launcher is great. I use it on my Xoom & it makes it fly.Try it on the 10.1 & give us some feedback.
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I see the lag on my Tab that is described by the OP.
However, I do NOT see it on my HTC Thunderbolt phone running Go Launcher EX.
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Adw launcher is great. I use it on my Xoom & it makes it fly.Try it on the 10.1 & give us some feedback.
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I just finished installing ADW launcher ex and its A LOT smoother than stock, the transition from landscape to portrait view is still a bit droggy but that's probably because of the widgets. I'm loving the new look ADW gave my tablet.
I too was very frustrated with the homescreen lag on my 10.1. I installed ADW Launcher EX and it has been super smooth and givees you some neat options for homescreen transition effects too. Give it a try.
do a search.
Its because Google has little to no interest in fixing the UI/gpu/hw acceleration issues.
Your phone tablet apps launcher etc have nothing to do with it. Its a fundamental issue with Android that has been ignored and no intention of real fix.
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do a search.
Your phone tablet apps launcher etc have nothing to do with it.
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Based on the number of people that just said the stock launcher is laggy, and the aftermarket ones are not, I would say the launcher has quite a lot to do with it.
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Based on the number of people that just said the stock launcher is laggy, and the aftermarket ones are not, I would say the launcher has quite a lot to do with it.
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Who made the stock launcher?... Google...
It is well known that Google cuts corners in relation to standardization and hardware acceleration. Instead the focus on incrementally updating release numbers instead.
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Based on the number of people that just said the stock launcher is laggy, and the aftermarket ones are not, I would say the launcher has quite a lot to do with it.
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Lag and framerate drops happen across the ui not just the launcher. It is an Android problem not anything device specific.
I have a standard (scrolling, but not live) wallpaper, 5 widgets and maybe 30 shortcut icons on my desktop/homescreen. Scrolling from one to another is silky smooth (3.1 TW). On one occasion it was quite laggy, it seemed like it had gone from hw accel'd to software for no obvious reason.... Quick reboot fixed it, though.
While it's probably true some performace issues lie with google, I'd wager most problems lie with users and developers doing things badly (or trying to do too much).
I deleted the social hub widget and my homescreen does not lag at all anymore.
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I deleted the social hub widget and my homescreen does not lag at all anymore.
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THIS. Widgets. Remove them.
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Admit you have no real friends.
Remove the social widget.
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PROFIT!
Mine varies from ROM to ROM. I actually get the smoothest experience on stock 3.1 no TW.
I got this phone yesterday and I must say it looks gorgeous. I set It up adding my emails, widgets etc and then experienced a lot of lag while scrolling on the social hub widget, even the Internet browser takes ages to load and struggles while scrolling.
I'm really unhappy now as my gs2 didn't face such an issue and i was expecting this to be smoother considering it has a faster processor.
I don't want to root this phone for security reasons.
Is anyone experiencing this issue and is there a solution?
Any info would be helpful.
Thank you.
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I got this phone yesterday and I must say it looks gorgeous. I set It up adding my emails, widgets etc and then experienced a lot of lag while scrolling on the social hub widget, even the Internet browser takes ages to load and struggles while scrolling.
I'm really unhappy now as my gs2 didn't face such an issue and i was expecting this to be smoother considering it has a faster processor.
I don't want to root this phone for security reasons.
Is anyone experiencing this issue and is there a solution?
Any info would be helpful.
Thank you.
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I notice the lag as well. Opening and closing apps that normally just pop.
I have noticed no lag whatsoever. Im using ADW Ex too
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I have noticed no lag whatsoever. Im using ADW Ex too
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I am also using ADW Ex and am experiencing some lag when switching between screens etc.
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I am also using ADW Ex and am experiencing some lag when switching between screens etc.
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What widgets are you using?
I have about 15 icons, weather widget and digital clock wiget on one screen and nothing on any of the other screens.
Hmmm that might be the problem. I'm using widgets on every screen. I've gone a bit widget bonkers! Having said that I had the same widgets on the Galaxy S2 and didn't suffer lag issues.
I have rooted and am waiting for some decent ROMS to appear, I'm sure that will fix???
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Hi friends.
I also notice lag and Im using the stock launcher and with almost no widgets.
Apart from the screen issues that one will notice if he uses the devise for reading.
I had the SGS2 before and the difference is noticable.
Such a pitty for such a promising devise.
I changed screen density and only use one screen with go launcher set to have 7x7 grid size. I have 2 widgets, Weather and BBC News, I use upward swipe to open app drawer and not noticed lag at all when in use but I do get around a 1/2 to 1 second delay when pressing power or home to wake the device. Not the end of the world but would be cool if it was instant like the S2.
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I changed screen density and only use one screen with go launcher set to have 7x7 grid size. I have 2 widgets, Weather and BBC News, I use upward swipe to open app drawer and not noticed lag at all when in use but I do get around a 1/2 to 1 second delay when pressing power or home to wake the device. Not the end of the world but would be cool if it was instant like the S2.
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It's the same on my Samsung Galaxy S2 and it's never changed so I wouldn't worry about it.
There were some threads on the SGS2 forum about ideas on how to fix it if I remember rightly.
I love my note but i would have to agree that SG2 is faster compare to note . ( that make ppl feel like the note is laggy as they have used SG2 before )
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thank God the device is super fast....there is no lag at all.....just hard-reset the device and enjoy it
Launcher Pro is much smoother on my Note than ADW...
ADW EX is lightning fast with density hack at 240, all the others lagged.
Obviously mine is rooted. Also using Roboto font.
I have lag
I am comparing when zooming out all the home screens and then selecting one. The animation is faster and smoother on a HTC 4G. ALSO, sometimes when waking the phone the screen will flash the unlocked screen for a second before the lock screen appears ie see your messages app then you see the lockscreen and have to unlock the phone. I just reset the phone thinking this would help but it didn't. Coming from the iphone I am sad that everything isn't backs up like the iphone without rooting. This lag is more picky than a problem. I don't understated lag when the phone is so powerful.
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I am comparing when zooming out all the home screens and then selecting one. The animation is faster and smoother on a HTC 4G. ALSO, sometimes when waking the phone the screen will flash the unlocked screen for a second before the lock screen appears ie see your messages app then you see the lockscreen and have to unlock the phone. I just reset the phone thinking this would help but it didn't. Coming from the iphone I am sad that everything isn't backs up like the iphone without rooting. This lag is more picky than a problem. I don't understated lag when the phone is so powerful.
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Yeah I agree, I don't understand the lag with such a powerful device. I suppose it is possible that Samsung has used cheaper, slower dram in this phone. Even the Plus animation when the phone boots micro-stutters. Of well, hopefully in a month we can get our hands on the Nexus.
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I am comparing when zooming out all the home screens and then selecting one. The animation is faster and smoother on a HTC 4G. ALSO, sometimes when waking the phone the screen will flash the unlocked screen for a second before the lock screen appears ie see your messages app then you see the lockscreen and have to unlock the phone. I just reset the phone thinking this would help but it didn't. Coming from the iphone I am sad that everything isn't backs up like the iphone without rooting. This lag is more picky than a problem. I don't understated lag when the phone is so powerful.
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That's the nature of Android, because so many manufacturers can use it, developers need to program apps for all of them in mind and seeing they all have the potential to utilise different hardware you can't expect a developer to be able to foresee these things.
What we need to do is just put a request to the developers and ask if they can make it compatible with the Notes graphics card/drivers making it lag free.
This is exactly why virtually all native Samsung apps run fantastic, because their devs know the hardware and drivers hence know how to get full potential.
What would fix this is every time Google releases a version like ICS they should state exactly which hardware will be ALLOWED to run on this platform. But then you lose the openness.
It's a double edged sword, you have to take the good with the bad..
This is unfortunately where apple shines with the iphone because they make the OS and the device. If they just loosened up on their OS a little then we wouldn't be talking here
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The Note will ONLY get better with each update/support from either Samsung or our beloved developers.. And that's a one way direction.. O)nly better..
Guys the reason for the lag is the constant downclocking of the cpu to 800 or 500mhz as well as unnecessary services apps running in the background. I believe it can be optimised..
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Guys the reason for the lag is the constant downclocking of the cpu to 800 or 500mhz as well as unnecessary services apps running in the background. I believe it can be optimised..
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Not really, mines rooted and have uninstalled all uneeded apps. Although adw doesn't lag anymore, other apps do like Facebook and even ES file explorer.
There is a dedicated gpu which isnt utilised for most of the apps which lag, this is the problem at hand.
The iphones been running a sub 1ghz cpu and less than 1gb of ram for long before android adopted them, but doesnt share the same issues.
But as stated it can only get better from here.
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Not really, mines rooted and have uninstalled all uneeded apps. Although adw doesn't lag anymore, other apps do like Facebook and even ES file explorer.
There is a dedicated gpu which isnt utilised for most of the apps which lag, this is the problem at hand.
The iphones been running a sub 1ghz cpu and less than 1gb of ram for long before android adopted them, but doesnt share the same issues.
But as stated it can only get better from here.
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Agreed in some respects...
Have you installed AnTuTu CPU master?
I have noticed that when the CPU is operating at 800mhz everything lags.
When I force the CPU to 1400mhz using AnTuTu the lag is present for the first homescreen swipe in ADW EX (DPI 260) then it's smooth as butter.
I have also observed this behaviour in launcher pro.
A guy on here recommended using BetterBatteryStats to possibly locate the apps/background services that are unnecessary hogging the CPU.
Fully agreed on the Iphone performance - but that is clearly due to software strictly tailored for hardware.
Android requires brute force due to software required to work on multiple devices
Gotta say tho my Galaxy Tab 7 (First Gen) with overcome is way faster in general operation than the Note... Until I force the processor to stay at 1400mhz - then it just flies.
Clearly the Note has a lot of potential.
Nice explanation from google regarding hardware acceleration, a must read one
http://blog.gsmarena.com/googles-dianne-hackborn-talks-about-hardware-acceleration-in-android-says-it-had-it-in-it-all-along/
Original post
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
Very interesting indeed.
What do you guys notice with enabled hw acceleration (build.prop tweak and set in most custom ROMs)? Do you think it is always smoother? Do you even feel a difference?
great find.. ICS is starting to infect my urge to upgrade
but it says that hw acceleration wont be available for nexus s and below..
so on default hw accel. is only enabled on dual-core phones?
Gorjess said:
great find.. ICS is starting to infect my urge to upgrade
but it says that hw acceleration wont be available for nexus s and below..
so on default hw accel. is only enabled on dual-core phones?
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It seems to be like that, also the GPU should be strong enough to handle it,else only cpu rendering
The article is enlightening, but comes across as an excuse for laggy interfaces on Android when one considers IOS manages much smoother transitions with apparently lower spec hardware.
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The article is enlightening, but comes across as an excuse for laggy interfaces on Android when one considers IOS manages much smoother transitions with apparently lower spec hardware.
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Well.. that is so true. And probably one of the reasons iOS still rulz
A quick visual overview between and android device vs and iDevice.. would have the android device cry
This is one of the reasons I am really eager to have ICS on my sgs2!
I want to see some smoothness
I saw on Beyond3D linked Andrew Munn's thoughts to Dianne Hackborn's post
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
Its a bit of a downer and still a long ways to go.
At last. All this hw acceleration 'hacks', enablers, tweaks, bull****...
it really got on my nerve.
Can't say i've ever had a problem with smoothness on SGS2 with touchwiz. Seems it must be hardware accelerated. That's why the phone can do any live wallpaper I throw at it and won't slow down, lag or skip. Stock.
Throw on a home screen replacement like Launcher Pro, ADW or Go Launcher and live wallpapers are useless mind.
I-phones are nice and smooth, but that's because the whole screen is filled with lovely la la baby icons, you can't see the wallpaper, it has nothing running in the background, no widgets, the operating system stays the same with every iteration bar some crap additions like notification centres and Siri, and has no live wallpaper.
I know which phone I would choose.
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Can't say i've ever had a problem with smoothness on SGS2 with touchwiz. Seems it must be hardware accelerated. That's why the phone can do any live wallpaper I throw at it and won't slow down, lag or skip. Stock.
Throw on a home screen replacement like Launcher Pro, ADW or Go Launcher and live wallpapers are useless mind.
I-phones are nice and smooth, but that's because the whole screen is filled with lovely la la baby icons, you can't see the wallpaper, it has nothing running in the background, no widgets, the operating system stays the same with every iteration bar some crap additions like notification centres and Siri, and has no live wallpaper.
I know which phone I would choose.
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And that's my friend why I now love samsung and my GS2 so much
It is the only android that makes android really proud
i would love to know you are getting TW to run smooth without lagging, because mine lags like hell on fresh stock rom. especially when the wallpaper scrolls with the homescreen. TW just never worked for me.
I'm running cyanogen and never seen any lag, even with very heavy customization.
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As said, twlauncher is really butter smooth even with a live wallpaper, the only problem with twlaucher is resizing and multi dpi. Twlauncher wont use fullscreen when using 200 or 180 dpi.
djunited said:
i would love to know you are getting TW to run smooth without lagging, because mine lags like hell on fresh stock rom. especially when the wallpaper scrolls with the homescreen. TW just never worked for me.
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Then you must have a faulty phone? Touchwiz has been buttery smooth on every single TW rom I have tried.
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Android can never be as smooth as iphone?
Android will be laggy even with HW acceleration, the reason is
http://www.tipb.com/2011/12/06/android-ui-smooth-ios/
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/n1e89/follow_up_to_android_graphics_true_facts_or_the/
But i am very much happy with my SGS2.
hariprs said:
Android will be laggy even with HW acceleration, the reason is
http://www.tipb.com/2011/12/06/android-ui-smooth-ios/
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/n1e89/follow_up_to_android_graphics_true_facts_or_the/
But i am very much happy with my SGS2.
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""UI rendering occurs on the main thread of an app
UI rendering has normal priority"""
As long as the task is running in cpu we can talk about threading and setting thread priority, but once the task switches to GPU(as in ICS) there will be no need for thread priority and where the rendering of UI takes place.
So if any apps makes use of hw feature in ICS, they should be smooth enough to run at 60fps for rendering.
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Then you must have a faulty phone? Touchwiz has been buttery smooth on every single TW rom I have tried.
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Not sure about that.other launchers are very smooth.phone runs everything fine.what fault coupd there be thats making tw not as smooth as most describe it to be.
Agree with the posts that say TWLauncher is the smoothest on the SGS2, I've tried most of them. Live wallpapers have little effect on that smoothness, and that can't be said for other launchers.
Overall, the SGS2 is as smooth as the iPhone 4 I had.
However, I did play with a WP7 Lumia 800 the other day, and it is definitely the smoothest UI I ever used.
The ip4s is pretty smooth too... but I'd trade a tiny bit of smoothness for the sheer possibilities with Android.... but I have to say I was really quite impressed with WP7.
Was using my mobile clocked down to 500 mhz.. as a downside my go launcher started to lag like anything, switched to stock TW, to my total disbelief, the stock launcher is insanely smooth even when downclocked to 500 mhz. Stock launcher is purely hardware accelerated for sure.
I use hyperdroid which uses a build.prop tweak to enable hardware acceleration. Now even if i place go launcher's apk in system/app folder, still i cant see it running as smoothly as touchwiz. So is that tweak really working with other launchers. I deleted original touchwiz and rebooted but still go launcher lags a lot as comapared to tw. Anyone knows what exactly that tweak does?
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So I am seeing a lot of posts saying that ICS has smoother screen transition.
This is in fact not true.
I know you guys don't want to feel disappointed about something you've been constantly crying about for the last 3 months but get real.
Try any of the HD quality live wallpapers(not the included ones). Screen transition is just as choppy as it was on Honeycomb. No improvement what so ever. Could be even worse.
This was tested on a TF101 that was factory reset before flashing a full(not update) ICS. No old apps or anything that could possibly hinder the performance.
Guess what makes screen transition smooth as butter on ICS? Using a 3rd party launcher app, just like it did on HC.
Back when people were crying everyday and spamming the forums about Asus not releasing ICS for TF101, their biggest and commonly used justification for their incessant whining was that ICS will make everything fast.
Really? So far I haven't seen any noticeable improvement in performance.
What did I notice? Different looking status bar and the ability to swipe things away. Oh and a few more options in the settings.
Oh yes, this was so worth all that crying.
Live wallpapers are very inefficient and have always caused problems especialy with larger screens
ICS is smoother as it has been redesigned and not quickly hacked together like honeycomb was and if you don't notice it well then you should just get an iPad
I would suggest deleting your post before you start a flamewar
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Live wallpapers are very inefficient and have always caused problems especialy with larger screens
ICS is smoother as it has been redesigned and not quickly hacked together like honeycomb was and if you don't notice it well then you should just get an iPad
I would suggest deleting your post before you start a flamewar
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3rd party launcher app makes screen transition smooth even with HD live wallpapers, on both ICS and HC.
Give me some examples of ICS actually being noticeably smoother.
Nope, I don't want an ipad. Never liked apple ****. I love Android for its freedom and flexibility.
horndroid said:
3rd party launcher app makes screen transition smooth even with HD live wallpapers, on both ICS and HC.
Give me some examples of ICS actually being noticeably smoother.
Nope, I don't want an ipad. Never liked apple ****. I love Android for its freedom and flexibility.
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Yes 3rd party software does make things better thats why we are here at xda isn't it?
BROWSER
youmustbenewhere Its a common joke when people are saying android is bad
lol, don't compare it with custom launcher. Stock HC vs Stock ICS please
Chrome Beta is the tits. Much better than stock or any of the other browsers I've tried. So there's that.
I don't know why everyone's in such an uproar over how smooth their launcher scrolling is. I'm more interested in how the apps perform than how pretty it looks when I launch those apps.
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So I am seeing a lot of posts saying that ICS has smoother screen transition.
This is in fact not true.
I know you guys don't want to feel disappointed about something you've been constantly crying about for the last 3 months but get real.
Try any of the HD quality live wallpapers(not the included ones). Screen transition is just as choppy as it was on Honeycomb. No improvement what so ever. Could be even worse.
This was tested on a TF101 that was factory reset before flashing a full(not update) ICS. No old apps or anything that could possibly hinder the performance.
Guess what makes screen transition smooth as butter on ICS? Using a 3rd party launcher app, just like it did on HC.
Back when people were crying everyday and spamming the forums about Asus not releasing ICS for TF101, their biggest and commonly used justification for their incessant whining was that ICS will make everything fast.
Really? So far I haven't seen any noticeable improvement in performance.
What did I notice? Different looking status bar and the ability to swipe things away. Oh and a few more options in the settings.
Oh yes, this was so worth all that crying.
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You're almost not worth debating.
Live wallpapers are inefficient
Live wallpapers do horrifying things to ****ty SoCs
Tegra2 is a ****ty SoC
So no matter what Tegra2 will suck with any lwp, and really bad ones will suck worse. BTW, get yourself a copy of Kitteh Face Software's Jungle LWP...then tell me how smooth your special launcher is. Jungle even brings my GS2's Exynos to its knees.
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I don't know why everyone's in such an uproar over how smooth their launcher scrolling is. I'm more interested in how the apps perform than how pretty it looks when I launch those apps.
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Right on!!!
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horndroid said:
So I am seeing a lot of posts saying that ICS has smoother screen transition.
This is in fact not true.
I know you guys don't want to feel disappointed about something you've been constantly crying about for the last 3 months but get real.
Try any of the HD quality live wallpapers(not the included ones). Screen transition is just as choppy as it was on Honeycomb. No improvement what so ever. Could be even worse.
This was tested on a TF101 that was factory reset before flashing a full(not update) ICS. No old apps or anything that could possibly hinder the performance.
Guess what makes screen transition smooth as butter on ICS? Using a 3rd party launcher app, just like it did on HC.
Back when people were crying everyday and spamming the forums about Asus not releasing ICS for TF101, their biggest and commonly used justification for their incessant whining was that ICS will make everything fast.
Really? So far I haven't seen any noticeable improvement in performance.
What did I notice? Different looking status bar and the ability to swipe things away. Oh and a few more options in the settings.
Oh yes, this was so worth all that crying.
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I have seasonal zen HD live wallpaper and ICS is "WORSE" than HC!
Cookiekaikai said:
I have seasonal zen HD live wallpaper and ICS is "WORSE" than HC!
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I never used tat one on Honeycomb, but scrolling with it on ICS is quite acceptable, even while playing music.
Silly, it wasn't the smoother transitions I was looking for in Ice Cream Sandwich, but rather the numerous other improvements made across the system like:
more options and developer controls, redesigned apps and better theming throughout, features like face unlock and forced hardware acceleration, and of course the ability to install ics only apps like Chrome!
Ice Cream Sandwich runs like an absolute dream on the TF101. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't done a full wipe, hasn't used a TF101 with ics, or is just straight hating.
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Try any of the HD quality live wallpapers(not the included ones). Screen transition is just as choppy as it was on Honeycomb. No improvement what so ever. Could be even worse.
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I don't use any live wallpapers... screen transitions are great... much better than Honeycomb.
This is a KNOWN issue with ICS. Even on the Galaxy Nexus, some Live Wallpapers are horrible. It's something to do with the way their coded. Once the developer updates and supports ICS, the LWP will be smooth.
The problem has to do with "Wallpaper Scrolling" from the launchers. If you Disable wallpaper scrolling, the LWP will also be smooth.
raduque said:
You're almost not worth debating.
Live wallpapers are inefficient
Live wallpapers do horrifying things to ****ty SoCs
Tegra2 is a ****ty SoC
So no matter what Tegra2 will suck with any lwp, and really bad ones will suck worse. BTW, get yourself a copy of Kitteh Face Software's Jungle LWP...then tell me how smooth your special launcher is. Jungle even brings my GS2's Exynos to its knees.
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I never said live wallpapers are efficient. Why are you so defensive? Lol.
My point was that ICS did not improve screen transition to a noticeable degree, contrary to what others are saying. I just used as an example the live wallpaper and the fact that 3rd party launcher apps are able to achieve what ICS or HC can't.
If you read my entire post, it's not about live wallpapers or screen scrolling.
What I am pointing out is that all those ****tards, who spammed this forum with their QQ and whine about Asus not releasing ICS and how ICS was going to be something super amazing, should realize that their QQing was just a big waste of time. ICS is literally just a minor update. Really brings nothing new to the table. Really not worth all that crying and waiting.
I am testing tons of apps right now. I really don't see any noticeable improvement in performance except a few trivial things that were already achieved on HC with 3rd party apps.
Have you tried the new camera app? Faster and better than ever
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Drybonz said:
I don't use any live wallpapers... screen transitions are great... much better than Honeycomb.
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lolwut?
Regular wallpapers were always smooth even on Honeycomb. Seriously, there is no improvement as far as regular wallpaper screen transition is concerned. Stop being delusional.
Unfortunate for you I guess. My transformer is definitely more responsive. Is it so amazing I'd die without it? No. But all in all the keyboard is definitely more responsive. I love ICS for the many other little but lovely changes to Android as a whole.
But to speak to your point, yes ... alot of those " QQ ****tards " who are disappointed, well good! Idk why people would think an OS update would give them blowjobs or end world hunger.
I'm happy for what it has brought. Though I wasn't dying for ICS since I had it on my vibrant so I already knew what was in store
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lolwut?
Regular wallpapers were always smooth even on Honeycomb. Seriously, there is no improvement as far as regular wallpaper screen transition is concerned. Stop being delusional.
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I have the light grid LWP on my 101, and it was fin in HC, and it's just as fine in ICS. Don't see what all the hubbub is about.
The low-level code for ICS is the same as 3.0 (HC) which has always supported h/w acceleration. People coming from GB will see a bigger benefit. Here's a great article from Dianne Hackborn, a Google engineer, that explains how Android handles graphics. Memory bandwidth is the biggest constraint and Teg2's pretty weak in that area and doesn't support NEON. In other words, s/w can only go so far.
https://plus.google.com/10505198573...8x93s#105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
horndroid said:
lolwut?
Regular wallpapers were always smooth even on Honeycomb. Seriously, there is no improvement as far as regular wallpaper screen transition is concerned. Stop being delusional.
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Not really. I never saw perfectly smooth launcher transitions even with a regular static wallpaper. The sluggish scrolling is completely eliminated in ICS with a static wallpaper.
I did a no-wipe OTA update.