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My Att S3 review. - Galaxy S III General (US Carriers)

First of all let me give you a little background about myself. I am the mobile admin for a major software company in Silicon valley. I have access to any phone I feel that is worth testing so I can be completely unbiased. Here are the pros and cons of the S3 which I am now testing:
Pros:
1. Screen is big and very nice. It is pentile but I can barely tell. The iPhone 4s is a bit sharper but the s3 just looks better. Blacks are black. and they toned down the punchiness of the OMLED
2. The phone is thin and sexy. I got the casemate barley there which gives the phone more grip and fits like a glove.
Cons:
1. It gets warm with use.
2. When using auto brightness the avg brightness is to week. If it were bumped up about 25% it would be perfect or even better if you could adjust the avg brightness like you can with the iPhone it would be perfect.
2. Im in the bay area and do not get a solid LTE signal with ATT like I do on the iPad. Most of the times its on 4G 5 bars when my iPad has LTE. When it is in LTE I get the usual 20-40mbps which is great.
3. Android OS is just not as polished and solid as iOS. Yes it has more capabilities but it just doesn't work as well for me.
4. it was charged to 100 percent at midnight so I unplugged it and went to bed. Woke up at 7 am and it was at %50. I looked at the battery menu and didn't see anything out of the norm. Yes its possible I left some app running in the back ground but I should not have to worry about that. Apple got it right why can't google? If I ever forget to plug it in then it will most likely die in the middle of the night and I may miss an important work call. The iPhone can be at %20 and if I forget to charge it, it will be at %15 in the am.
Overall the perceived build quality doesn't compare to the iPhone 4s but its not bad with the gorilla glass 2 screen and Casemate barely there. Even though the 4S feels more solid Id feel safer dropping the S3 then the 4s since the 4S has more glass. Im really hoping to make this my primary phone but its no where near the 4S in terms of usefull functionality. Hardware wise its light years ahead. With the 4S i use it as a tool. With the S3 i use at so I can look at it and go ooooh ahhhh. I keep picking it up so I can run my finger across the awesome OMLED screen to hear the water and look at my background pic which is the dandy lion. Now if I could just blow on it

I'm curious, other than the OS on the iphone being a little more intuitive and user friendly, what functionality did you find in the iphone that you don't find in the S3? I'm coming over from an iphone myself and am finding that the whole iphone vs droid debate is a little overblown. Out of the actually functional uses and not just stuff to play around with and tweak, I haven't found much that one phone can do that the other can't. They both do pretty much the same things, just some of the things are done a little differently.
Well, except for the battery life on the S3 which from what I've read on this and other forums is a common issue and one which the iphone doesn't have. I'd have to say that that is my biggest disappointment with this phone.

I agree on somethings you have to say about the GS3, I too am a heavy iPhone user and I have been looking for a good Android to replace the iPhone 4s with. I have access to ANY phone I want as well and I have tested just about them all, One X's Lumina 900's ect they were all good but I kept coming back to the iPhone 4S, it just couldn't be beat.
Until now, I've been using an International GS3 and just switched to the ATT version and while both were good, the ATT model works better, I live in LTE even though my phone is on Home WiFi most of the time. I prefer the ATT over the Quad Core model.
But this thing does it all the iPhone does, I've got everything syncing back and forth with all the Mac's iPads ect, its all good to go.
The little iPhone screen is just to small these days, if your like my buddy that never tired a 4 plus inch screen then your fine with the iPhone, but no way can I try and read emails on the iPhone, just too small.
The GS3 is here to stay, until the next greatest thing comes out.
Oh and the Rock Case is way better the Case Mate's.:good:

Cool story bro.
TROLL BAIT!
Who are you again that we should all listen to your opinion?
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Yes i am a troll. Im a troll that really likes this phone. Im going to give it more time. Ive tried 100s of Android phones and hands down this is the best. compared to the iPhone its quirky but I'm bored out of my mind with the iPhone 4 design and small screen so I'm think I'm going to switch to this baby until the iPhone 5 hits the market in 4 months or so.

I too would like to hear what the iPhone can do that the s3 can't? I also went from the iPhone a 3GS model to the S3 and it can do anything that my iphone did and may things it does better. Like the last poster stated the iPhone is just too small plus this thing is just way faster than my iPhone ever dreamed of being.

richard371 said:
First of all let me give you a little background about myself. I am the mobile admin for a major software company in Silicon valley. I have access to any phone I feel that is worth testing so I can be completely unbiased. Here are the pros and cons of the S3 which I am now testing:
Pros:
1. Screen is big and very nice. It is pentile but I can barely tell. The iPhone 4s is a bit sharper but the s3 just looks better. Blacks are black. and they toned down the punchiness of the OMLED
2. The phone is thin and sexy. I got the casemate barley there which gives the phone more grip and fits like a glove.
Cons:
1. It gets warm with use.
2. When using auto brightness the avg brightness is to week. If it were bumped up about 25% it would be perfect or even better if you could adjust the avg brightness like you can with the iPhone it would be perfect.
2. Im in the bay area and do not get a solid LTE signal with ATT like I do on the iPad. Most of the times its on 4G 5 bars when my iPad has LTE. When it is in LTE I get the usual 20-40mbps which is great.
3. Android OS is just not as polished and solid as iOS. Yes it has more capabilities but it just doesn't work as well for me.
4. it was charged to 100 percent at midnight so I unplugged it and went to bed. Woke up at 7 am and it was at %50. I looked at the battery menu and didn't see anything out of the norm. Yes its possible I left some app running in the back ground but I should not have to worry about that. Apple got it right why can't google? If I ever forget to plug it in then it will most likely die in the middle of the night and I may miss an important work call. The iPhone can be at %20 and if I forget to charge it, it will be at %15 in the am.
Overall the perceived build quality doesn't compare to the iPhone 4s but its not bad with the gorilla glass 2 screen and Casemate barely there. Even though the 4S feels more solid Id feel safer dropping the S3 then the 4s since the 4S has more glass. Im really hoping to make this my primary phone but its no where near the 4S in terms of usefull functionality. Hardware wise its light years ahead. With the 4S i use it as a tool. With the S3 i use at so I can look at it and go ooooh ahhhh. I keep picking it up so I can run my finger across the awesome OMLED screen to hear the water and look at my background pic which is the dandy lion. Now if I could just blow on it
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Thank you for taking the time to write your review. Even though I don't see eye to eye with everything you said I do appreciate the time you took to write it! C:

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Thank you for taking the time to write your review. Even though I don't see eye to eye with everything you said I do appreciate the time you took to write it! C:
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Yes I do too, but he does seem a bit trollish since he has answered off haned comments, but fails to answer a question 2 people have asked already. " What can the iPhone do that the GS3 can't?"

Im not downing the s3 at all. On the contrary i think its a great phone and better then the iphone 4 in many ways and I have pretty much decided to make it my primary phone. I was just being honest about a few things I found that I do not like but its my opinion.
in my opinion Apple's iOS may not have the flexibility and features of Android but it is rock solid and does what it does best. Now with my ipad 3 and the S3 I have the best of both worlds. The S3 is an amazing phone but I stand by my review from my personal experience.
Is that clear to you curtiswalker29?
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Is that clear enough with ya?
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I find it hard to believe that you are un bias, you seem to be very much ingrained inn the ios camp. Which is to bad because I was expecting an gives review. That being said, I disagree with you on a few points.
First off, the last 4 nights I have had Nino more than 6% battery drain, most nights have been about 5 or 4. So 50 is hard to believe unless you had to screen on all night with apps running.
Second, I have an iPhone 4 and compared my sgs3 with a 4s and hands down the sgs3 was know responsive, more fluid, and multi tasking was un comparable. I returned an app a day later and was at the exact same place doing the same action as if I never left.
All actions performed faster on the sgs3.
Maps and GPS lock quicker and load faster.
S voice actual understands what I say 90% of the time vs 50% with siri.
I use to be a hardcore ios guy, always pcs though, and I couldn't imagined going back to such a stifling os like ios.
I to am curious at what you believe runs better on ios vs android.
The only thing ios has that android doesn't is consistency among hardware which equals an overall smoother software experience due to the lack of fragmentation. But is rather have choices and freedom in my software and hardware than be pigeon held to what Apple believes I want.
The screen on the 4 s is nice, but ios a screen that small it is wasted.
Additionally, I hate even calling ios an operating system, it's nothing more than a glorified app launcher. Up until recently it lacked all customizability, and even now are so far behind android in terms of os function that they are going to have to make significant changes to even the playing field. Android simply creates a feature rich os, leaving ios seeming stale and UN bending.
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I am sure with a little bit of time getting to know the ends and outs of the new operating sytem and tricks that you will like it just as much. I think it's a matter of what you get used too IMO.
Did you know that it can do Visual Voicemail too? I installed the app from the market and it works well. Just had a heck of a time getting AT&T to provision the service right, but that's not the phone's fault.

Well I'd say that was a pretty unbiased review so thank you. Some people will feel otherwise, but this is a GSIII forum so most people here are obviously going to be pretty biased towards THEIR own phone lol.
I have tweaked and played with the whole spectrum of iOS devices and android devices. I have a Mac Pro, Macbook Pro, and an iPad3 (and a GSIII and GSII ) so I'm pretty unbiased as well.
IMHO, this phone is first that really gives the iPhone4s and iOS a run for its money. Out of the box there's no question that iOS and the iPhone4 are more polished. The iPhone4S feels great in your hand and iOS is very intuitive especially for people who have little to know interest in 'tweaking' things.
But the screen is far too small, the glass is VERY prone to breaking if dropped, and I don't like to be looked into iOS's ecosystem.
I used an iPhone4 while I waited for my GSIII to arrive and all in all it wasn't that bad. At this point in time I think virtually everything you can do on one platform, you can do on the other. All just personal preference I guess.
But I will say apple needs to really have some groundbreaking stuff for the iPhone5 to keep up!

Thanks for the write up but I to would like to know what the iphone can do that the sgs3 cannot?
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Can some one tell me why they think ios is more intuitive? How so? Android operates far mode naturally, with gesture control, motion activation, combination actions like reject call to text... android is far more seamless to operate and navigate from home to app to app etc... the only reason why I believe people think ios is more intuitive is, because it has been around so long and has changed very little, people are confusing intuitive with familiar... that's just my take on it.
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Can some one tell me why they think ios is more intuitive? How so? Android operates far mode naturally, with gesture control, motion activation, combination actions like reject call to text... android is far more seamless to operate and navigate from home to app to app etc... the only reason why I believe people think ios is more intuitive is, because it has been around so long and has changed very little, people are confusing intuitive with familiar... that's just my take on it.
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agree, it's muscle memory. I've used android so much that I stumble using an iphone and many things to me seem counter intuitive. it doesn't mean the system is bad, it just means my experience gives me a different way of doing things. another example of this is a study that was done on IQ tests. When they asked a bunch of kids from chicago and puerto rico to give an example of umbrella use, the kids from chicago said the obvious, for rain. the puerto rican kids stated that it was for sunny days, giving completely different answers and uses. So each group gave answers that spoke to their personal experiences.
so to go back to the point at hand, the whole android vs ios thing is stupid because it all depends on your perspective. how a ui feels, if it's intuitive or smooth, if a phone feels sturdy or not, these are subjective feelings that are too dependent on things that build up to that. they are also dependent on your own viewpoint of smartphones. if a smartphone is in the same category as a toaster to you then ios is great, but if a smartphone is an artifact that increases the capacities of the human senses, then android will probably be your bet.

Lol at OMLED. It sounds like omelet. Maybe I can make an omelet when playing a game and charging at the same time.
Yeah if you weren't aware, XDA is as anti-Apple as it gets. Don't expect reasonable replies. The cult of Android is far worse than the cult of STeve Jobs. I think AndroidCentral is a little bit better. Not by much.
iOS is way simpler and predictable. The answer is really that simple. An OS can install apps and programs. That's it. Customization is not a requirement. Look at Windows Phone. Having a single button and apps already there on the screen makes a big difference. The extra layers that Android adds with homescreens and app drawers and capacitive buttons and secret menus and randomly holding things to see if functions pop up. Ugh. Not as intuitive. The back button closes the app but the home button doesn't? How about just keep a stranglehold on memory and background services so battery life is always good no matter what. The idea is so novel.
The next Android version should be called Sour Patch Kid. SPK

thats like saying you know it makes so much sense, it's common logic, why can't you see my logic whats wrong with you -_-

katamari201 said:
Lol at OMLED. It sounds like omelet. Maybe I can make an omelet when playing a game and charging at the same time.
Yeah if you weren't aware, XDA is as anti-Apple as it gets. Don't expect reasonable replies. The cult of Android is far worse than the cult of STeve Jobs. I think AndroidCentral is a little bit better. Not by much.
iOS is way simpler and predictable. The answer is really that simple. An OS can install apps and programs. That's it. Customization is not a requirement. Look at Windows Phone. Having a single button and apps already there on the screen makes a big difference. The extra layers that Android adds with homescreens and app drawers and capacitive buttons and secret menus and randomly holding things to see if functions pop up. Ugh. Not as intuitive. The back button closes the app but the home button doesn't? How about just keep a stranglehold on memory and background services so battery life is always good no matter what. The idea is so novel.
The next Android version should be called Sour Patch Kid. SPK
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Actually this post shows that you know nothing of android.
First off, backing doesnt close programs unless a) you specify it to by selecting (kill app on longpress) or b) if the app prompts you to do so.
Secondly, you obviously have been brain washed to think that an app launcher is the same thing as an os. (And yes WM is in the same category as ios) take a look at any pc/Mac based os, you are provided with a user defined workspace, within this workspace you can control, launch, schedule and manipulate software and data through out the system. All a dedicated app launcher does Is to organize each individual program for access and deployment... that's all ios really is.
Long pressing and gestures are all part pour the process that makes these devices more intuitive... that's what intuitive means, taking tasks and making them more seamless and natural... this is of course based on perception. But considering that I have spent atleast twice as much time on ios than android my perception is well rounded. I still have an iPhone 4 I use it as a music player for my kids. And occasionally play with it and everything seemingly takes more steps.
now I know you are a troll, I've seen you in many other threads trying to reassure and convince yourself that ios is in some way superior, that must be a constant struggle.
Admittedly, ios has its benefits, but everyday android advances while ios stays stagnant, they as just now implementing features that android has had for two years. I home they step up their game and make android work for their inevitable win. I guess we will see what the iPhone 5 will bring, but if it's just a 4" 4s then they will practically give their customers to android. It's only a Matter of time before the faithful Iphone users see that the others are passing them up. That's what happened to me, I use to argue to no end with my friends on android but eventually got so board with ios that I bought an infuse to replace my 4 and have since seen what these devices can really do when allowed the freedom to do so.
But continue to live in your house of mirrors, you'll be here sooner or later.
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My 1st smartphone was when the iPhone 1st came out. Since my 1st android device (Droid/Milestone), I was converted and became an iPhone hater(especially after I got the Nexus One). But you gotta admit, the iPhone can hold its charge better than any Android. With that I have to place the blame on the OS. But who knows??? If iOS implemented widgets on the homescreen it might b a different story. OTHER THAN Better BATTERY management, there isn't anything that the iPhone can do that my Android can't. It's the iPhone that CAN'T do a lot of what Android phones can.

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So I am looking to purchase a Nexus One sometime within the next month or so. I'm an AT&T user and currently am using the FUZE with a custom ROM and running the Eclair XDAndroid build, which obviously doesn't compare to a real android device in any way, shape, or form. I'm completely aware of the features and abilities of both the iPhone and the N1, so this isn't really a feature comparison thread. On paper I know what the N1 is capable of, and everyone I know (literally) has a freaking iPhone so I know what that is capable of in the real world with real use.
Getting to the point, since you folks have been using the N1, may I ask what you like about your N1 over the iPhone? I'm following threads and seeing people with dust complaints, tinted screens, horrifying battery life, the touch sensitive buttons at the bottom not responding... and I'm just struggling on convincing myself to spend over $530 USD on a phone that could cause me problems over spending $300 USD on an iPhone that I know performs very well and already has a ton of memory built in, but lacks everything else that I want in the N1. Are most of these issues from earlier models of the phone? Do they occur more in say the T-Mobile version over the AT&T version (or vice-versa)?
I know this probably seems like a dumb thread, but I've searched and I've heard all the comparisons for features, but I just want to hear your comparisons through actual real world experience with the device (even if you haven't use the iPhone. Oh, and I did see the CNET video of the iPhone vs N1 brawl and that definitely is helping me lean more and more towards the N1.
Any advice would be great. Just please don't turn this into a flame war, both phones are fantastic in their own ways.

lostinbeta said:
So I am looking to purchase a Nexus One sometime within the next month or so. I'm an AT&T user and currently am using the FUZE with a custom ROM and running the Eclair XDAndroid build, which obviously doesn't compare to a real android device in any way, shape, or form. I'm completely aware of the features and abilities of both the iPhone and the N1, so this isn't really a feature comparison thread. On paper I know what the N1 is capable of, and everyone I know (literally) has a freaking iPhone so I know what that is capable of in the real world with real use.
Getting to the point, since you folks have been using the N1, may I ask what you like about your N1 over the iPhone? I'm following threads and seeing people with dust complaints, tinted screens, horrifying battery life, the touch sensitive buttons at the bottom not responding... and I'm just struggling on convincing myself to spend over $530 USD on a phone that could cause me problems over spending $300 USD on an iPhone that I know performs very well and already has a ton of memory built in, but lacks everything else that I want in the N1. Are most of these issues from earlier models of the phone? Do they occur more in say the T-Mobile version over the AT&T version (or vice-versa)?
I know this probably seems like a dumb thread, but I've searched and I've heard all the comparisons for features, but I just want to hear your comparisons through actual real world experience with the device (even if you haven't use the iPhone. Oh, and I did see the CNET video of the iPhone vs N1 brawl and that definitely is helping me lean more and more towards the N1.
Any advice would be great. Just please don't turn this into a flame war, both phones are fantastic in their own ways.
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they're both amazing.
the nexus one is great. features and all. but after like three months, you kinda want your iphone back.. or i do at least.
depending on the 4th Generation iPhone, i may upgrade.
for the time being though, i LOVE my nexus one..
buy it if you are having any doubts. you wont be sorry.

all those issues only apply to a select few or to people that have major ocd..i did like my iphone but i didnt love it..i love my nexus one its a really great phone..i love that i can use it to tether too my laptop, use it as BRIGHT flash light, customize it too my liking, and not having to deal with iphone.
The one thing i did miss when i went back to android from my iphone was the games..iphone games are really really nice but that feeling has gone away since now alot of the 3d games on the iphone are being made for android.
the iphone is a great phone but the UI is sooooooooooo boring..i hated that 4x4 icon page on it.i love having widgets
so to sum it all up get a nexus one......and a ipad ahah

That's kind of my worry. I don't have that kind of money to throw around every couple of months, I don't want to invest all that money and in a couple of months just be jealous of all my friends with iPhones. But it is nice to hear you love your N1, the only apple fanboy thing I'm into is their operating system, anything outside of that I'm not really a huge fan of Apple (I stuck with WinMo just because I could customize it without hassle, unlike the iPhone which is a risk to brick every time you jailbreak it and there's a firmware update)

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That's kind of my worry. I don't have that kind of money to throw around every couple of months, I don't want to invest all that money and in a couple of months just be jealous of all my friends with iPhones. But it is nice to hear you love your N1, the only apple fanboy thing I'm into is their operating system, anything outside of that I'm not really a huge fan of Apple (I stuck with WinMo just because I could customize it without hassle, unlike the iPhone which is a risk to brick every time you jailbreak it and there's a firmware update)
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ya i love my macbook its the best thing that ever happened to me ahah..and honestly the chance of bricking and iphone while jailbreaking is slim to none but its a pain when apple is constantly sending you updates to unjailbreak it..trust me you will not be jealous of their iphones

bobdude5 said:
all those issues only apply to a select few or to people that have major ocd..i did like my iphone but i didnt love it..i love my nexus one its a really great phone..i love that i can use it to tether too my laptop, use it as BRIGHT flash light, customize it too my liking, and not having to deal with iphone.
The one thing i did miss when i went back to android from my iphone was the games..iphone games are really really nice but that feeling has gone away since now alot of the 3d games on the iphone are being made for android.
the iphone is a great phone but the UI is sooooooooooo boring..i hated that 4x4 icon page on it.i love having widgets
so to sum it all up get a nexus one......and a ipad ahah
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Awesome note with the games though, I don't play games on my phone much (sadly I'm horribly addicted to solitaire...haha) so I never really got into the games aspect, I only have one or two on my iPod Touch, most of the time I use the basic Apps which are also available on Android (twitter, facebook, shazaam, things like that). So that's a good thing to keep in mind.
I think one of my biggest worries is battery life. I don't work a job where I can charge my phone at all throughout the day, and there are times I leave at 8am and don't get home until 7pm or later, and I don't want to have to worry that my phone won't make it. My WinMo phone always ends at around 60% with standard/moderate use so I never have to worry about running home to get a charge if I get hung up after work.

idk man, by far the best phone i have ever owned so far. (may be contradicting to what i just said but i literally do not care)
features list is just BOOM!
battery is amazing for me. no dead pixels. saturated screen. bright flashlight (nexus one torch).. idk so many to list.
if you wanna buy RIGHT NOW. go for the nexus one,
but
if you can wait til July...... wait. becuase you may regret it if you dont have the money to buy the newest badass thing, like maybe the 4Gen iPhone, and new product from HTC, or anyone... really its all so hard to tell but if you can wait, i think that'd be in your best interest.
and the only thing i miss about the iphone thats slowly sucking me back in (happens about twice a year, ive owned all the iphones and sold them too haha) is the slickkkkkk UI. the LARGE community and the apps that actually work clean, and flawlessly. the iphones' transition between homescreens is definitely smooth as butter. nexus one? smooth as sand paper.. the ability to take screen shots on the iphone with ease... idk.. haha

nexus one last me a whole a day with heavy usage (texting, internet, games, music, calling) i disagree with the slick UI..iphone has a HORRIBLE UI in my opinion its too plain and transition is just as smooth..the community for android is also huge and screenshots is easy too..just shake the phone (shootme app on market)

bobdude5 said:
nexus one last me a whole a day with heavy usage (texting, internet, games, music, calling) i disagree with the slick UI..iphone has a HORRIBLE UI in my opinion its too plain and transition is just as smooth..the community for android is also huge and screenshots is easy too..just shake the phone (shootme app on market)
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slick as in quick and easy i guess?
and my nexus easily lasts me 1.5+ days under HEAVY usage.
cool i didnt know about that app! thanks!
although you dont need an app for the iphone haha

lol well i never really got a chance to test past 1.5 days lol i charge it when im go to bed but it usually has 40 percent at the time ( i got to bed like at 1-2 am lol)

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lol well i never really got a chance to test past 1.5 days lol i charge it when im go to bed but it usually has 40 percent at the time ( i got to bed like at 1-2 am lol)
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i totally agree.. just one night i forgot to plug it in. died later that day though (didnt necessarily let it "die" i just shut it off at like 2%)

My phone is simply perfect. No issues whatsoever, apparently I am one of the lucky Nexus owners. The only thing though, I do like about the iPhone more - is the UI polish. Apple is simply great at designing things. I'm ok though, as long as I have a Desire ROM. HTC Sense is quite nice.

Youll be happy with the nexus. It is great now and stands to realize much of its latent potential if Google wants it to. If you've had an iPhone you will definitely be disappointed in the touch screen. It's possible though that Android might be able to iron out some of the jittery, jumpiness of the nexus touch screen. But its a decent screen,those who have never used an iPhone think the nexus has the best touch screen there is so its definitely not a deal breaker.
Also, the nexus has higher resolution but I don't think there's and denying that the iPhone just looks crisper, especially the browser. But the nexus gpu definitely loads pages faster. I think I'm just rambling now...

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Getting to the point, since you folks have been using the N1, may I ask what you like about your N1 over the iPhone? I'm following threads and seeing people with dust complaints, tinted screens, horrifying battery life, the touch sensitive buttons at the bottom not responding... and I'm just struggling on convincing myself to spend over $530 USD on a phone that could cause me problems over spending $300 USD on an iPhone that I know performs very well and already has a ton of memory built in, but lacks everything else that I want in the N1. Are most of these issues from earlier models of the phone? Do they occur more in say the T-Mobile version over the AT&T version (or vice-versa)?
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Multitasking
The fact that it's unique and NOT an iPhone that everyone and their mother has
Customization
Live wallpapers
High resolution (2.5 times the iPhone)
Flash Lite
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Also, the nexus has higher resolution but I don't think there's and denying that the iPhone just looks crisper, especially the browser.
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, what?
No denying that? I 10000% heartily deny that. Disagree to the nth power.

lostinbeta said:
So I am looking to purchase a Nexus One sometime within the next month or so. I'm an AT&T user and currently am using the FUZE with a custom ROM and running the Eclair XDAndroid build, which obviously doesn't compare to a real android device in any way, shape, or form. I'm completely aware of the features and abilities of both the iPhone and the N1, so this isn't really a feature comparison thread. On paper I know what the N1 is capable of, and everyone I know (literally) has a freaking iPhone so I know what that is capable of in the real world with real use.
Getting to the point, since you folks have been using the N1, may I ask what you like about your N1 over the iPhone? I'm following threads and seeing people with dust complaints, tinted screens, horrifying battery life, the touch sensitive buttons at the bottom not responding... and I'm just struggling on convincing myself to spend over $530 USD on a phone that could cause me problems over spending $300 USD on an iPhone that I know performs very well and already has a ton of memory built in, but lacks everything else that I want in the N1. Are most of these issues from earlier models of the phone? Do they occur more in say the T-Mobile version over the AT&T version (or vice-versa)?
I know this probably seems like a dumb thread, but I've searched and I've heard all the comparisons for features, but I just want to hear your comparisons through actual real world experience with the device (even if you haven't use the iPhone. Oh, and I did see the CNET video of the iPhone vs N1 brawl and that definitely is helping me lean more and more towards the N1.
Any advice would be great. Just please don't turn this into a flame war, both phones are fantastic in their own ways.
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It all comes down to your personal preference. You can read all types of reviews and you'll see that Nexus One wins over iPhone 3GS. The features of the phone are outstanding. Just ask yourself what you want in your phone. If you want lots of applications, music, go for iPhone but if you want free applications, customizations, widgets, great camera, blazing fast web experience, go for Nexus One. Its just a matter of time before android applications touch the mark set by iPhone. Once you root your Nexus One, its going to be a whole world of possibilities....
For the issues you read about Nexus One, I want to tell you that the tinted screen is only present in the newer devices which would be very soon fixed by an update. The capacitive buttons work perfectly when pressed on the upper half of the button. The dust problem is present in a very small no. or hardwares and if you live in US, then you can call for a replacement if it happens with you.
Android would very soon be taken up by most of the mobile makers as its open sourced and free. I read somewhere that the phone companies who have taken up android OS have to pay very little in comparison to Windows Mobile.
So go for Nexus One, you wont be sorry....

Here's what I wrote in another forum regarding this question:
Having thought about it I realised that the choice to go for an N1 is easy if it fits your needs. Since it has been released all the focus has been on how it compares to the iphone. Understandable as apple set a high bar with many features such as the apps, the graphical physics and ease of use. The n1 more or less matches them and comparing many of these features doesn't get you far. They both are fantastic bits of hardware, great screens, amazing computing power, touchscreens etc. In some ways the N1 performs a bit better in others the iphone but the differences between them are small.
However I think the N1 has gone to a new level with features the iphone simply hasn't got. I don't have to open an app to access the information I want. My calender, agenda, weather, news, daily Bible reading, personal photo's, music player (and playlists) one touch dialling to favourite contacts (and many other thing I don't use) all run on my home pages. And here's where it moves mobile information on; all these widgets update automatically and wirelessly. I don't have to plug my phone into my computer to update my agenda, it happen without hassle right onto my homescreen. Furthermore these services are free - and yes I did pay for mobile me and no its not worth it.
Bottom line is that both the iphone and the N1 are great bits of kit, you won't notice many gains in function between either hardware as far as I can tell but the software has moved on from simply apps. Unfortunately the press just focus on the things that you can compare but the how can you compare widget on a N1 to nothing on the iphone? The N1 is in a different class to the iphone because it does things the iphone can't dream of doing, try to keep up apple!

Thank You everybody. Your advice has been helpful. I actually feel that the Android UI is nicer than the iPhone, to me the iPhone seems plain. Though I will admit that the iPhone is probably a little more user friendly, I don't mind the extra clicks on Android, and it's not like it's difficult to figure out by any stretch of the means. And it's good to know that the issues people are having are only occurring in a small percentage of devices, I was really worried that I would throw down that kind of money and have a jacked phone that only lasted me half a day and had a dusty mis-tinted screen...haha. Hopefully I'll be able to get my N1 ordered by the end of this month.
The next step would be rooting. I don't think I'll root it until after the warranty is up, but I don't know, I said the same thing about ROMing my FUZE and that didn't happen. Though on an unrelated question, how come so many N1 ROM threads don't have screenshots of the ROM. The ShootMe app works great, I use it on my FUZE with Eclair. It just seems like a big risk to install a ROM without knowing what you're supposed to be getting.

actually its less clicks for android lol you know with the widgets and all..with the iphone it takes four clicks to modify your brightness for android it takes one, it takes 3 clicks to turn on wifi and bluetooth on iphone and on android it takes one, it takes 4 clicks for gps on iphone and android 1, it takes 3 clicks to post something on facebook and 1 on android (same for myspace), it takes takes 2 clicks to search on iphone and none on android..you see my point lol

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The next step would be rooting. I don't think I'll root it until after the warranty is up, but I don't know, I said the same thing about ROMing my FUZE and that didn't happen. Though on an unrelated question, how come so many N1 ROM threads don't have screenshots of the ROM. The ShootMe app works great, I use it on my FUZE with Eclair. It just seems like a big risk to install a ROM without knowing what you're supposed to be getting.
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Warranty is 1 year, you will get hot feet by then. There should be desire screenshots around. CyanogenMod's UI is identical to stock, extra features being the selling point.
zachthemaster said:
slick as in quick and easy i guess?
and my nexus easily lasts me 1.5+ days under HEAVY usage.
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Are you running on the HTC Li-Ion battery or some new U-235 battery?

The Nexus One is great. I don't have complaints so far other than the tiny loudspeaker. Heard that the Desire ROM gives it a louder volume. Anyway, like someone has pointed out, if you can wait until June, I would wait. I think Apple sees the Android OS as a thread so they must be building something big for the iphone 4Gen. The iphone 4Gen will probably be better the Nexus One... BUT I am confident that the Nexus Two or whatever Google wants to release in the future will take over eventually
Not saying the Nexus One will lose to the 4Gen for sure. Remember FroYo and Flash 10 are coming to the Nexus One.

Yeah, I know, it's been compared 400 times. But, I thought I would make it 401.. because I don't like even numbers.
Anyway, I finally got my hands on an iPhone 4 while at the AT&T store and I walked away with a different opinion than I had without any physical contact.
First off, I think it feels really good in the hand. I had the iPhone 1G, 3G, 3GS (1st gen feeling the best to me.) I like the flat, sharp corners and double glass feel. It's quite different than any other phone I've used. Design wise, it is sexy and very eye catching. the gaps between the bezel (antennas) isn't so sexy though, obviously, this was a half assed attempted at keeping the antennas from creating a bridge and losing service....we all know how well THAT worked.
The Retina Display is breathtaking. while standing at the store, I couldn't see pixels, but, I do have great eye sight, and I'm sure if I was able to sit down and REALLY focus, I would be able to start seeing something. at that time, I could not.
At the same time that I was impressed with the screen, I wasn't impressed that much. I mean, sure, it's SUPER high res and looks fantastic, but when I pulled the EVO out of my pocket and compared side by side. during any typical use where I wasn't examining the phones...LOOKING for "flaws", I wouldn't notice at all.. But what I would and could, and DID notice, was the EVO's huge, pretty (but not "breathtaking") screen. So while, yes, it's "prettier". if you already have a high res screen... it's really not such a revolution. just a nice bump. and personally, I think the larger screen size of the EVO is FAR more useful than a higher resolution.
iOS4 feels nicer than 3.0 did. But after having my EVO since Launch day, the iOS platform just seems so boring in comparison. you get a lot of icons...and.. that's really it, the only way to customize it, or make it look different from the pack is to drop a different wallpaper on it (which, finally, can be done without jailbreaking.) and re-arrange you're icons. whoopee. unless you jailbreak, of course, than you have far more options.
EVO, or more specifically, Android has WAY more options in this field to not only make the phone look unique to you, but also create far different and instant different and personal usable spaces with widgets. I really prefer the android platform for this.
As I couldn't sit there and run down the battery on the iOS4.. I can't compare that. haha, but I have read that the iPhone4's battery is pretty much epic... with enough tweaking, custom ROM and kernel, I can manage decent battery out of the EVO now. about 10hrs heavy use, upwards of 20 with very light usage. Here is hoping that future versions of Android can help with power management, I'm not holding my breath though, as I know Android does far more in the background than iOS. if you have everything syncing all the time, facebook, twitter, flickr, gmail, weather, news, etc. etc. it'll suck down the battery like a diabetic craves Nutella.
With my brief time with the iPhone 4, I walked away loving the design, STILL bored with the OS, shrugging at the Retina Display, still holding contempt for AT&T, and finally, still glad I switched to the EVO.

felacio said:
Yeah, I know, it's been compared 400 times. But, I thought I would make it 401.. because I don't like even numbers.
Anyway, I finally got my hands on an iPhone 4 while at the AT&T store and I walked away with a different opinion than I had without any physical contact.
First off, I think it feels really good in the hand. I had the iPhone 1G, 3G, 3GS (1st gen feeling the best to me.) I like the flat, sharp corners and double glass feel. It's quite different than any other phone I've used. Design wise, it is sexy and very eye catching. the gaps between the bezel (antennas) isn't so sexy though, obviously, this was a half assed attempted at keeping the antennas from creating a bridge and losing service....we all know how well THAT worked.
The Retina Display is breathtaking. while standing at the store, I couldn't see pixels, but, I do have great eye sight, and I'm sure if I was able to sit down and REALLY focus, I would be able to start seeing something. at that time, I could not.
At the same time that I was impressed with the screen, I wasn't impressed that much. I mean, sure, it's SUPER high res and looks fantastic, but when I pulled the EVO out of my pocket and compared side by side. during any typical use where I wasn't examining the phones...LOOKING for "flaws", I wouldn't notice at all.. But what I would and could, and DID notice, was the EVO's huge, pretty (but not "breathtaking") screen. So while, yes, it's "prettier". if you already have a high res screen... it's really not such a revolution. just a nice bump. and personally, I think the larger screen size of the EVO is FAR more useful than a higher resolution.
iOS4 feels nicer than 3.0 did. But after having my EVO since Launch day, the iOS platform just seems so boring in comparison. you get a lot of icons...and.. that's really it, the only way to customize it, or make it look different from the pack is to drop a different wallpaper on it (which, finally, can be done without jailbreaking.) and re-arrange you're icons. whoopee. unless you jailbreak, of course, than you have far more options.
EVO, or more specifically, Android has WAY more options in this field to not only make the phone look unique to you, but also create far different and instant different and personal usable spaces with widgets. I really prefer the android platform for this.
As I couldn't sit there and run down the battery on the iOS4.. I can't compare that. haha, but I have read that the iPhone4's battery is pretty much epic... with enough tweaking, custom ROM and kernel, I can manage decent battery out of the EVO now. about 10hrs heavy use, upwards of 20 with very light usage. Here is hoping that future versions of Android can help with power management, I'm not holding my breath though, as I know Android does far more in the background than iOS. if you have everything syncing all the time, facebook, twitter, flickr, gmail, weather, news, etc. etc. it'll suck down the battery like a diabetic craves Nutella.
With my brief time with the iPhone 4, I walked away loving the design, STILL bored with the OS, shrugging at the Retina Display, still holding contempt for AT&T, and finally, still glad I switched to the EVO.
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Nice review. I also agree that the hi-res screen of the iPhone 4 looks good, but I would rather have a bigger screen. Also if you want epic battery then just go flash baked snack. With that rom and his custom kernel I get around 50 hours with light to moderate usage, and my friend who has the iphone only gets around a day and a half of battery.

CollegeFresh said:
Nice review. I also agree that the hi-res screen of the iPhone 4 looks good, but I would rather have a bigger screen. Also if you want epic battery then just go flash baked snack. With that rom and his custom kernel I get around 50 hours with light to moderate usage, and my friend who has the iphone only gets around a day and a half of battery.
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What kernel are you using with baked snack to get 50hrs?? And how much do you use your phone?

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What kernel are you using with baked snack to get 50hrs?? And how much do you use your phone?
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+1 Please tell us! I'm using Fresh 3.2.0.0 with the kernel it comes with. I text a lot, and use the internet a lot. I have WeatherBug updating, run gps most of the time (not for Maps, but other stuff) and get maybe 10 hrs of use before I'm down to 20% or less, depending on how much talking I do. I know I could do better if I shut off gps and locations...Oh, yeah, and I have this app, Craigsnotificator running. It downloads craigslist stuff every 15 min...
Thanks.

do you have to be running the baked Rom in order to use its kernel?

There are a few features that the iPhone has Android beat in. The overall smoothness of the scrolling is better. Pinch to zoom also has a nice smooth effect. I like how Apple makes all of their icons the same shape and size where as Android icons are all over the place. And of course the camera and overall polish is better.
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Something I envy from IPhone... It's VPN works. Without it, Android cannot be rated for business.
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Good review and I agree with all your points. Exactly what I think and tell my friends who ask of my opinion.

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What kernel are you using with baked snack to get 50hrs?? And how much do you use your phone?
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smarcin said:
+1 Please tell us! I'm using Fresh 3.2.0.0 with the kernel it comes with. I text a lot, and use the internet a lot. I have WeatherBug updating, run gps most of the time (not for Maps, but other stuff) and get maybe 10 hrs of use before I'm down to 20% or less, depending on how much talking I do. I know I could do better if I shut off gps and locations...Oh, yeah, and I have this app, Craigsnotificator running. It downloads craigslist stuff every 15 min...
Thanks.
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If you download baked snack 1.7 from Hero's thread it comes default with kernel 6 which is what I use. I also use other tweaks to get long battery such as spareparts end button behavior when go to sleep, ultimate juice (or juice defender), and setCPU with a 245/245 screen off profile.
I used my phone light to moderate for my last charge and got around 50 hours and for my current charge I have been using it moderate to heavy and am at around 30 hours with 34% battery left.
Oh I also use craigslist notification.

A little background, I'm an owner of both and do work in UX/Design/Marketing. That said, overall, they both have positives and negatives but if I were to do a check list, I'd put more positives on the iPhone 4 side.
The user experience in iOS 4 is way ahead of Froyo. There's really no argument here. The EVO w/ Sense was almost intolerable to me. But once I flashed the EVO w/ CM/AOSP, it felt a WHOLE LOT BETTER. Not as good as iOS 4 but definitely good enough. I'm confident that Gingerbread/3.0 will take a huge step towards matching the UX/UI; so as long as I'm on AOSP, I'll be satisfied. But like I said, iOS is just better right now. This also applies to 3rd party apps.
Hardware wise, the GPU in the EVO is a major let down. The back camera on the iPhone 4 seems to be a little better and the front camera is SIGNIFICANTLY better (all despite being smaller MP-wise). The actual display also seems better with the exception that I prefer the 4.3" size of the EVO. In terms of build, the iPhone 4 feels and looks better. And the battery is heck of a lot better on the iPhone 4, but you can make an argument that it doesn't matter since I can generally get more use out of the EVO since I always carry a spare charged battery. Overall, the iPhone 4 is better hardware-wise; and if it was ~4.3", it'd be damn near perfect. Of course the antenna issue is very, very real; and in my case it's way too easy to drop the signal.
So why do I have a EVO? The size is NICE. I also have a huge dependence on Gmail + Google Voice, and you can't beat the integration of both services on Android. Lastly, 4G tethering. I regularly get 6-9 Mbps out of Sprint's WiMax (though I get a respectable 4Mbps w/ the iPhone 4). It's just too bad that I have to nandroid back to Sense for that. Overall though, the EVO is a solid phone that I think will start to take away my attention from the iPhone 4 when Gingerbread finally drops.

Award Tour said:
A little background, I'm an owner of both and do work in UX/Design/Marketing. That said, overall, they both have positives and negatives but if I were to do a check list, I'd put more positives on the iPhone 4 side.
The user experience in iOS 4 is way ahead of Froyo. There's really no argument here. The EVO w/ Sense was almost intolerable to me. But once I flashed the EVO w/ CM/AOSP, it felt a WHOLE LOT BETTER. Not as good as iOS 4 but definitely good enough. I'm confident that Gingerbread/3.0 will take a huge step towards matching the UX/UI; so as long as I'm on AOSP, I'll be satisfied. But like I said, iOS is just better right now. This also applies to 3rd party apps.
Hardware wise, the GPU in the EVO is a major let down. The back camera on the iPhone 4 seems to be a little better and the front camera is SIGNIFICANTLY better (all despite being smaller MP-wise). The actual display also seems better with the exception that I prefer the 4.3" size of the EVO. In terms of build, the iPhone 4 feels and looks better. And the battery is heck of a lot better on the iPhone 4, but you can make an argument that it doesn't matter since I can generally get more use out of the EVO since I always carry a spare charged battery. Overall, the iPhone 4 is better hardware-wise; and if it was ~4.3", it'd be damn near perfect. Of course the antenna issue is very, very real; and in my case it's way too easy to drop the signal.
So why do I have a EVO? The size is NICE. I also have a huge dependence on Gmail + Google Voice, and you can't beat the integration of both services on Android. Lastly, 4G tethering. I regularly get 6-9 Mbps out of Sprint's WiMax (though I get a respectable 4Mbps w/ the iPhone 4). It's just too bad that I have to nandroid back to Sense for that. Overall though, the EVO is a solid phone that I think will start to take away my attention from the iPhone 4 when Gingerbread finally drops.
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Sense can be overwhelming for simple people, but in no way shape or form is iOS better than Android, sorry. The reason the user experience is ahead of it is because its so dumbed down. No options, no configuration, no multitasking, wifi-only video chat, antenna issues, proximity issues.. of course battery last more, the phone does less. And how on Gods earth are you getting 4mbps? I call BS on that one... Battery? I get approximately 24 hours of moderate use on stock 2.1 (give or take). Then again theres no signal in my home so im sure it would be 30+ hours if my signal was strong at home.

DirtyShroomz said:
Sense can be overwhelming for simple people, but in no way shape or form is iOS better than Android, sorry. The reason the user experience is ahead of it is because its so dumbed down. No options, no configuration, no multitasking, wifi-only video chat, antenna issues, proximity issues.. of course battery last more, the phone does less. And how on Gods earth are you getting 4mbps? I call BS on that one... Battery? I get approximately 24 hours of moderate use on stock 2.1 (give or take). Then again theres no signal in my home so im sure it would be 30+ hours if my signal was strong at home.
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Your wrong on a lot of this. UI/UX is subjective.. but I think I have a bit more experience in that field than you. Sense was badly designed, don't agree? Fine, but you'll find it hard to find a professional who disagrees. No multi-tasking? Seriously, where have you been? Multi-tasking is there, and although just semi-introduced to Froyo, the old push notifications are a whole lot better than the battery sucking syncing that Android has. WiFi only video chat? Ever heard of Fring? Yeah, it's on iOS too. Antenna issues, brought it up. 4Mbps, um, HSPA. It's very obvious that you've never used a iPhone 4.

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There are a few features that the iPhone has Android beat in. The overall smoothness of the scrolling is better. Pinch to zoom also has a nice smooth effect. I like how Apple makes all of their icons the same shape and size where as Android icons are all over the place. And of course the camera and overall polish is better.
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I gotta disagree with you there. Using any custom kernel on the forums here and LauncherPro, scrolling through screens and the browser feels smoother than the iPhone.
Pinching and zooming is still rough though. And I do agree about the icons. IPhone, aesthetically is supierior, in terms of symetrics. Lol
CollegeFresh said:
If you download baked snack 1.7 from Hero's thread it comes default with kernel 6 which is what I use. I also use other tweaks to get long battery such as spareparts end button behavior when go to sleep, ultimate juice (or juice defender), and setCPU with a 245/245 screen off profile.
I used my phone light to moderate for my last charge and got around 50 hours and for my current charge I have been using it moderate to heavy and am at around 30 hours with 34% battery left.
Oh I also use craigslist notification.
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... I find that hard to believe. I'm using BS 1. 7 with kernel 6 and with moderate to heavy use I got about 10 hours. Do you have like.. NO widgets? Have it turned off most the day? LOL. Sorry, but 50hrs? Really? You have got to be using a 3500mah battery.
...in 1943, I killed a drifter.

Award Tour said:
Your wrong on a lot of this. UI/UX is subjective.. but I think I have a bit more experience in that field than you. Sense was badly designed, don't agree? Fine, but you'll find it hard to find a professional who disagrees. No multi-tasking? Seriously, where have you been? Multi-tasking is there, and although just semi-introduced to Froyo, the old push notifications are a whole lot better than the battery sucking syncing that Android has. WiFi only video chat? Ever heard of Fring? Yeah, it's on iOS too. Antenna issues, brought it up. 4Mbps, um, HSPA. It's very obvious that you've never used a iPhone 4.
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Ha Ha Ha! I lol'd at the push notifications on iOS are better than Android? Think again. Everyone knows the iPhone has the WORST notifications system in the history of phones. It uses a decent amount of power too. Android's syncing isn't all that power consuming, if you set it up right. Push email is about the same on both platforms in terms of power. Sense might not be all that great, but I'll take it over iOS. Seriously, the iPhone homescreen SUCKS. There's absolutely nothing to it. Its just a grid of icons. That shouldn't even be considered design. Anyways, glad to hear someone else's take, but iOS isn't all that great and Android has it beat in a lot of areas, just not out of the box user simplicity. Give someone an Android for a week though, and they'll be running laps around an iPhone power user.

Award Tour said:
Your wrong on a lot of this. UI/UX is subjective.. but I think I have a bit more experience in that field than you. Sense was badly designed, don't agree? Fine, but you'll find it hard to find a professional who disagrees. No multi-tasking? Seriously, where have you been? Multi-tasking is there, and although just semi-introduced to Froyo, the old push notifications are a whole lot better than the battery sucking syncing that Android has. WiFi only video chat? Ever heard of Fring? Yeah, it's on iOS too. Antenna issues, brought it up. 4Mbps, um, HSPA. It's very obvious that you've never used a iPhone 4.
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Typical fanboy. Sense = personal opinion... it's SOMETHING compared to iPhone's plain black background (wait you can change it now) but I don't use sense anyway. HSPA, you would be the first person i've ever heard of reaching these speeds, but then again I don't follow AT&T's horrible network. Multi-tasking? Semi-introduced in Froyo? Are you high? Let's not get into that as we both know it really does not exist on the iPhone. Fring... eh i'll give you that, completely forgot about it, but for the sake of arguing if you don't know about it and you're the typical user, you won't hear it about it and are stuck on wifi-only chatting to only other iPhones. Btw, all my syncs happen once a day and all my notifications still come in as they arrive, I don't see a reason why anyone needs anything syncing every 15 minutes.

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Typical fanboy. Sense = personal opinion... it's SOMETHING compared to iPhone's plain black background (wait you can change it now) but I don't use sense anyway. HSPA, you would be the first person i've ever heard of reaching these speeds, but then again I don't follow AT&T's horrible network. Multi-tasking? Semi-introduced in Froyo? Are you high? Let's not get into that as we both know it really does not exist on the iPhone. Fring... eh i'll give you that, completely forgot about it, but for the sake of arguing if you don't know about it and you're the typical user, you won't hear it about it and are stuck on wifi-only chatting to only other iPhones. Btw, all my syncs happen once a day and all my notifications still come in as they arrive, I don't see a reason why anyone needs anything syncing every 15 minutes.
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I agree, sense may not be great, but ill take sense over iOS most days. Gimme vanilla with LauncherPro and ill never look twice at iOS. Apple has such a strangle hold on the market that its counter productive. They ate stifling innovation by having an iron grip on developers, and their ability to release pretty much anything and have the mainstream fall over itself to get one.. no matter how flawed.. is nausiating.
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Camera is the biggest things for me. I compared it to a friends IP4, and he scored a win.. Evo keeped showing blurry faces when people moved around. so disappointing esp when it comes to important moments in your life. IPhone 4 is a good phone, after I got hands on I was impressed, GUI of Iphone still looks and feels like the first gen Iphone.. boring.. I might switch to the EPic

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Ha Ha Ha! I lol'd at the push notifications on iOS are better than Android? Think again. Everyone knows the iPhone has the WORST notifications system in the history of phones. It uses a decent amount of power too. Android's syncing isn't all that power consuming, if you set it up right. Push email is about the same on both platforms in terms of power. Sense might not be all that great, but I'll take it over iOS. Seriously, the iPhone homescreen SUCKS. There's absolutely nothing to it. Its just a grid of icons. That shouldn't even be considered design. Anyways, glad to hear someone else's take, but iOS isn't all that great and Android has it beat in a lot of areas, just not out of the box user simplicity. Give someone an Android for a week though, and they'll be running laps around an iPhone power user.
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What are you talking about? It's obvious that you to don't know what is being discussed. We're talking about cloud based notifications. Let me give you a simple example. On Facebook you can set it to poll data, say, every 15 minutes. So every 15 minutes the Facebook app will use bandwidth/power to check for updates that might not even be there. What iOS has done, and what Android will soon do too, is that it has a server where services like Facebook can ping to notify it that there are new updates, that server then pings the user back and downloads the new data. So you basically get instant notifications only when there is new data to download. This not only saves battery but also gives you near real time notifications.
It's a shame what this discussion has turned into. I look at things objectively, and I can't believe how emotional everybody has gotten over this. I broke my first EVO and bought my second one for full retail. You really thinking I'm some kind of biased fanboy?
I was working on a ton of things for the EVO, including a theme that vastly improves the appearance of HTC Sense but now I'm thinking about keeping it private. If this is how the XDA community really is, I'm probably best off doing that.

DirtyShroomz said:
Typical fanboy. Sense = personal opinion... it's SOMETHING compared to iPhone's plain black background (wait you can change it now) but I don't use sense anyway. HSPA, you would be the first person i've ever heard of reaching these speeds, but then again I don't follow AT&T's horrible network. Multi-tasking? Semi-introduced in Froyo? Are you high? Let's not get into that as we both know it really does not exist on the iPhone. Fring... eh i'll give you that, completely forgot about it, but for the sake of arguing if you don't know about it and you're the typical user, you won't hear it about it and are stuck on wifi-only chatting to only other iPhones. Btw, all my syncs happen once a day and all my notifications still come in as they arrive, I don't see a reason why anyone needs anything syncing every 15 minutes.
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A quick last response, and my last in this thread.
Multi-tasking works just about the same in iOS as it does in Froyo. Look up the architecture/APIs and see for yourself. What was semi-introduced to Froyo is cloud based notifications. You argument about fring can be said about Android too. HSPA certainly reaches those speeds, and to be honest, I didn't realize it until I started testing the speed of my EVO/4G. Take care my friend. Hopefully one day you can become a fan of good tech instead of imaginary lines.

As a former AT&T customer......
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Sense can be overwhelming for simple people, but in no way shape or form is iOS better than Android, sorry. The reason the user experience is ahead of it is because its so dumbed down. No options, no configuration, no multitasking, wifi-only video chat, antenna issues, proximity issues.. of course battery last more, the phone does less. And how on Gods earth are you getting 4mbps? I call BS on that one... Battery? I get approximately 24 hours of moderate use on stock 2.1 (give or take). Then again theres no signal in my home so im sure it would be 30+ hours if my signal was strong at home.
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Agree.....agree....agree. 4mbps.....I wanted to wait to see who called BS on that one. Maybe on WiFi. Never over the network did I see speeds even CLOSE to that (and I understand the IP4 has such significant upgrades to it that the bottleneck loosens a bit, but THAT much as compared to 3g...i don't know).
After 2 years of using the 3g I can say I got tired of it after 1. Way too dumbed down. Android DOES what Iphone 2-3-4 can't do....out of the box.
Root your Android....there is just simply no comparison. Retina display? Over......size and close resolution? I don't understand higher resolutions on a tiny screen anyhow.
It is a pretty phone....the IP4. Ill give ya that, and overall pretty good, but there is a reason android is gaining in market share and IP4 is loosing its 54%. There are several reasons (all hugely valid) in fact, but Ill let someone else list those....i'm rambling. All of this rambling is just from a prior AT&T user who got tired of the charging for an addiction to something that is, overall, and inferior drug. So, now, I get my better drug from a different dealer......unlimited...and at a cheaper price.

I bought the Nexus-S on Thursday it is my 3rd Android device, first was the MyTouch3G, and the EVO. I did have a iPhone3G back in the day.
My siblings were over for a Christmas party last night, and my brother and sister both own the iPhopne4, and boy does that OS look and feel dated.
I keep reading how awesome the iPhone 4 is, supposed to be the #1 best smartphone on the market ? I will agree, the look and design of the phone itself is very nice, and feels very solid well put together. But the OS just seems so 3 years ago, with just a screen full of app icons, and no notifications, no widgets, and a small 3.5" just not doing it for me. I think my Nexus-S is a much better product, the live wallpapers might be a gimmick, but I love my starfield one, looks very StarTrek cool. Plus the Super AMOLED screen is so much nicer than the retina display.
I am not bashing Apple, I would possibly buy an iPhone 5, if they make a larger screen, and must add in widgets and a notification system.
One last beef, is the middle thumb button on the iPhone, oh my God, that has to go. I think I would throw the phone against the wall if that's the only button to press. Where is the menu button, and back button ? Just having a home button would be annoying.

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I bought the Nexus-S on Thursday it is my 3rd Android device, first was the MyTouch3G, and the EVO. I did have a iPhone3G back in the day.
My siblings were over for a Christmas party last night, and my brother and sister both own the iPhopne4, and boy does that OS look and feel dated.
I keep reading how awesome the iPhone 4 is, supposed to be the #1 best smartphone on the market ? I will agree, the look and design of the phone itself is very nice, and feels very solid well put together. But the OS just seems so 3 years ago, with just a screen full of app icons, and no notifications, no widgets, and a small 3.5" just not doing it for me. I think my Nexus-S is a much better product, the live wallpapers might be a gimmick, but I love my starfield one, looks very StarTrek cool. Plus the Super AMOLED screen is so much nicer than the retina display.
I am not bashing Apple, I would possibly buy an iPhone 5, if they make a larger screen, and must add in widgets and a notification system.
One last beef, is the middle thumb button on the iPhone, oh my God, that has to go. I think I would throw the phone against the wall if that's the only button to press. Where is the menu button, and back button ? Just having a home button would be annoying.
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To each, his own my good man, but I am definitely with you there... Like looking back (to five days ago) I don't know what I was thinking haha. iPhone 4 is terrible, I don't ever want to buy another Apple phone, but I somehow always do... Hopefully I'll break the tradition in '11.

The OS may feel "dated" but it is much more polished than Android is.
And that's coming from an iPhone user for the past 2+ years who just made the switch to Android with Nexus S.

Welcome to android. All that was true even a year ago with the nexus one. Android OS is just so much more interesting and useful and functional than iOS. It's not even close.
But apple OS does look more polished for some things. To me personally I don't see a huge difference though.

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Welcome to android. All that was true even a year ago with the nexus one. Android OS is just so much more interesting and useful and functional than iOS. It's not even close.
But apple OS does look more polished for some things. To me personally I don't see a huge difference though.
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Well, this isn't my first Android device. I was an early adopter with the G1 when it first came out, but ditched it after 6 months or so.
That said, the major area where iOS beats Android is the lack of pop up menus. The flow in iOS is very nice and intuitive. Keyboard is also better plus things like copy and paste, scrolling in the browser etc. App quality and selection is still superior on iOS.

Give Android one, at best two more years, and Apple will piss into its pants.

Thought the same thing ... screen looks tiny and. Os feels out dated... and I have a vibrant..
I do agree the iphones features are very well put together and polished but. It gets boring it super difficult to customize.. also sucks how every single app has to have a back button.. also u can only have 3g only on att Wich sucks cuz att sucks! Just to put it plain and simple the iphone is well made but its boring ... alot of. More fun with android especially playing with ur home screen

The only thing i miss is the ability to take a screenshot w/o a 3rd party app. haha

There are two things iphone/ipod/ipad never has:
ogg vorbis support (much better fidelity than mp3)
adobe flash
The screen on NS is simply the best
color: NS>MT4>nexus one
contrast: NS>nexus one (both have unlimited contrast)>MT4
I also found antenna jack uncovered on NS, so you can plug external antenna when driving to get much more constant reception.
In addition, micro/miniUSB data/charging jack is much more common on smartphones now.

Im just glad people are starting to notice how Android is ahead of iOS even at its early stages..oh BTW I LOVE NEXUS S! Coming from N1

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I also found antenna jack uncovered on NS, so you can plug external antenna when driving to get much more constant reception.
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Could you provide more details on that? Where's this uncovered antenna jack at?
Are you talking about the little micro-connector to the right of the batter, near the lower volume rocker, when the battery cover is removed? What kind of external antenna are you using?

My brother a big tech geek like myself, makes this comment on my Nexus-S, he says, "yeah your phone looks pretty, the weather widget w/clock, and live starfield wallpaper, and fancy Super AMOLED screen are great and all, but I like the iPhone for it's simplicity, I like to turn the phone on, see my app I want, and click it and go to it. I am not going to stare at some pretty home screen all day, that doesn't matter to me. I just want my apps, and get to them right away."

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My brother a big tech geek like myself, makes this comment on my Nexus-S, he says, "yeah your phone looks pretty, the weather widget w/clock, and live starfield wallpaper, and fancy Super AMOLED screen are great and all, but I like the iPhone for it's simplicity, I like to turn the phone on, see my app I want, and click it and go to it. I am not going to stare at some pretty home screen all day, that doesn't matter to me. I just want my apps, and get to them right away."
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that's extremely easy on android. lol, just open the app drawer, drag and drop any app you would like on your homescreen or any other screen and THERE YOU HAVE IT!! turn screen on and tap the app! how hard was that?

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My brother a big tech geek like myself, makes this comment on my Nexus-S, he says, "yeah your phone looks pretty, the weather widget w/clock, and live starfield wallpaper, and fancy Super AMOLED screen are great and all, but I like the iPhone for it's simplicity, I like to turn the phone on, see my app I want, and click it and go to it. I am not going to stare at some pretty home screen all day, that doesn't matter to me. I just want my apps, and get to them right away."
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Based on that statement your bro doesn't even sound Techy/nerdy...
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Ios is horrible......... it isn't meant for super users at all. Its a trendy os and nothing more. Android owns. Yes I have owned an iPhone.. worst mistake in technological history.
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The OS may feel "dated" but it is much more polished than Android is.
And that's coming from an iPhone user for the past 2+ years who just made the switch to Android with Nexus S.
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I would agree with you prior to the Nexus S....but this new Google phone is every bit as good and polished as the iphone 4 IMO.

Some general questions about ios vs android?
1)We are all saying that android is open source and ios is not...why then all the great hackers like Musclenerd, Saurik and Geohot are interested more in iphone?....which hach scene is larger?
2)Why android manufactors dont build a direct iphone killer device which also has the same top build quality and design with iphone?
3)Ok i dont like ios cause of its simplicity...but generally it is a lot user friendly.... android as rubin said is getting day by day better in tha area....but when you touch even the old iphone 3gs the smoothness of scrolling is sth unmatched by any high end android device i have used in 2010....like galaxy s with lagfix or Desire HD.....i mean the response and smooth scrolling is amazing.It feels so natural.

iPhone is cool too, unlike Nexus S, people actually put their thought in to it. Of course pure google with android is better then ios

iPhone4 owner who just bought a Nexus S here.
I am more productive on the iPhone.
Can't search through my Exchange mailbox (email app) on the Nexus? WHAT?
Can't subscribe to more than one folder in the email app?
(FYI: email app needed to connect via activesync to my corp mail server - K9 doesn't work either. GMail app is great...but since I have to use 2 different email apps, that means no unified inbox).
The Android facebook app is absolute *crap* (can't even tag people in photos, lame).
Evernote/Mint/etc look much better on the iPhone.
iPhone's battery life is SO much better than the Nexus S (anandtech's review showed you can browse the web for *twice* as long on the iPhone)
AT&Ts 3G is much better...
The iPhone's notification (screen on + pop-up) works great for me... can't even get Tasker to turn on the screen when a notification is received with Gingerbread.
There are obviously things I love about Android.. but I don't know which one I'll keep at this point.

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iPhone4 owner who just bought a Nexus S here.
I am more productive on the iPhone.
Can't search through my Exchange mailbox (email app) on the Nexus? WHAT?
Can't subscribe to more than one folder in the email app?
(FYI: email app needed to connect via activesync to my corp mail server - K9 doesn't work either. GMail app is great...but since I have to use 2 different email apps, that means no unified inbox).
The Android facebook app is absolute *crap* (can't even tag people in photos, lame).
Evernote/Mint/etc look much better on the iPhone.
iPhone's battery life is SO much better than the Nexus S (anandtech's review showed you can browse the web for *twice* as long on the iPhone)
AT&Ts 3G is much better...
The iPhone's notification (screen on + pop-up) works great for me... can't even get Tasker to turn on the screen when a notification is received with Gingerbread.
There are obviously things I love about Android.. but I don't know which one I'll keep at this point.
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I disagree with most of your reasoning and anandtech's review was biased, just another iPhone fan boy reviewing an Android phone? c'mon now.... Esp the battery life he claims it identical to Nexus One? He must have a defect because the battery life is a HUGE improvement and there are many forums to prove this. And speaking of notification, Android BROUGHT notification to the game. There's more than just a pop up screen that we could use. I understand maybe for the Nexus S yea it doesnt have LED but I actually think No Led is clean and unique.

ANTI-FANBOY DISCLAIMER:
I am aware that I am on a forum full of people that are geared towards a single OS (Android) and who are more likely than not very biased about which is "better" and which "sucks". I am aware that many are not platform agnostic and have not learned to be objective about different ecosystems. Thus, I am anticipating the possibility of anti-apple comments. Oh well.
Anyways, I just wanted to create this side note to say that I'm platform agnostic for everything and have just about every major commercial platform (Windows/Mac, Android/iOS, Wii/PS3/360). So when I do this comparison I am naturally doing it without fanboyism, although my bias does seep through as I naturally have different preferences than others (just a fact of life, different people like different things). However, I try to be as objective as possible.
Hey all,
I'm sitting here with my black Galaxy Note 16GB and white iPhone 4S 64GB and have been thinking about the two a lot lately, mainly comparing them and considering which I should go with. So here's a comparison:
iPhone 4S
TLDR: The thing "just works" with zero hassle, low time requirements to get what you need done, and pretty much everything that you want software-wise is more than satisfied.
Superior:
- Better UI interface (more intuitive, logically laid out, refined, etc) for pretty much every part of the phone
- A little more smooth in terms of performance
- Does multitasking MUCH better and it is easier to use multitasking. Its quite usual to have about 10 to 15 apps going in the background and being able to comfortably switch between them. That's simply not possible on the Note on 2.3.6 (stock firmware) or is much more difficult to do thanks to the multitasking switching method (recent apps window) and the large RAM/CPU demand of many android apps.
- Cloud sync, if you have a mac, is absolutely wonderful and works better than expected. It just works. No hassle, minimal (almost zero) setup and maintenance time.
- The sound quality on the 4S is MUCH better.
- App store is fantastic, has better apps than the Android. This can't be emphasized enough as there are numerous apps on iPhone that simply have no equivalent in terms of quality. For me, the major ones are the office suite (Keynote, Pages, Numbers) as well as a class manager app called iStudiez. I've tried the equivalents on Android and I have found them to be not up to the quality where I would be willing to use them (bad aesthetics, lacking functionality, doesn't "just work with zero hassle")
- I have zero worries about viruses, malware, etc on my iPhone
- if you know other people with iDevices running iOS 5, then FaceTime/iMessage is great.
- I like that the iPhone uses white for a lot of the background colour. The black backgrounds for the settings, messages, etc on the Note really depresses me and makes the screen seem small.
- Camera is better, and it has better anti-shaky-cam functionality. 1080p video works great and the phone handles it wonderfully. I am able to record lectures in class perfectly.
Inferior:
- The hardware is just not as good as the Note. Screen is claustrophobic/postage-stamp-size and hampers full use of the best apps (Pages, Keynote, Numbers).
- The OS and apps don't take advantage of the resolution. It might as well have a 320 x 480 resolution.
- Some people may not like that its not very customizable. I don't mind it because the stock experience is pretty much perfect. I don't HAVE to change anything. On the other hand, I don't GET to.
Galaxy Note
TLDR: Great, but not as good as the 4S in terms of software (which cripples the phone). But, this will be fixed in time and I doubt even the iPhone 5 will be able to beat the Note once the software becomes even close to being on par.
Superior:
- Hardware is wonderful. The screen allows me to use the phone in a much more advanced, useful way - especially for browsing the web. I have been reading my etextbooks on my Galaxy Note quite regularly and prefer reading off of it rather than my actual physical textbooks. That really goes to show that the Note has an amazing screen because I don't want to read my etextbooks off anything else - and I have some amazing displays at my disposal: a 17" macbook pro screen, a 17" alienware R2 RGBLED screen (best screen ever made IMO), a 27" Thunderbolt display, etc.
- S-Pen is pretty useful just with the stock apps, and I can't wait until iAnnotate comes out along with other apps.
- The OS allows me to customize it more. I don't really like this as I have a tendency to waste my time looking for good upgrades for it, but some people might.
Inferior:
- App store has very few Apps on par with the iPhone editions of them. There are some good ones but generally the quality is lower than the iPhone app store. This is the biggest con. I can't express how much this affects my use of the phone. I can't use the phone for office capabilities because polaris is glitchy, looks bad, and isn't optimized for the screen size, and there is no alternative to iStudiez that is on par with it (already tried class buddy, it's quality is not high enough to be useful to me).
- Stock experience of Android is good but is showing its age compared to the iPhone. ICS should fix this but it won't fix the lack of great apps.
- Camera is not as good, and I can't seem to take 1080p videos over a certain file size. I can't record lectures with it due to the file size thing.
- Viruses on android. My mom got her email hacked because of some stupid malware app (she has a Note and 4S too, but sold her Note because of the security vulnerability and her bad experience with getting hacked).
This review is kinda short but I don't have much free time lately as I am very busy.
The major let down for me was the app store for android. If it was on par with the iPhone app store then I would use the Note over the iPhone even though iOS is superior to Gingerbread. Though this shouldn't be around forever (I give it about two or three years before they are on par), but its crippling the phone for me.
So, what I've ended up doing is using both phones. I use the Note for internet, and the iPhone for everything else. I await the day when I can dump the iPhone as i prefer the hardware of the Note. My prediction is that ICS and its stylus support will encourage more devs onto the platform and will result in better apps, but to what degree I'm not sure. Even if it doesn't immediately result in more good apps coming out, I'm sure that within two or three years the iPhone app market will be saturated enough to persuade developers that they will get more money from Android.
EDIT: I figured out a while ago what the solution is: Buy the Galaxy Note and an iPod Touch and tether the two with wifi while on the go. It gives the best of both worlds for not all that much money (especially if you get a used iPod touch).You get the App store on the iPod touch and the hardware of the Note.
- Liquid

Does multitasking MUCH better and it is easier to use multitasking. Its quite usual to have about 10 to 15 apps going in the background and being able to comfortably switch between them. That's simply not possible on the Note on 2.3.6 (stock firmware) or is much more difficult to do thanks to the multitasking switching method (recent apps window) and the large RAM/CPU demand of many android apps.
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You really don't understand how Android multi-tasking works, do you? Or how it works on iOS, for that matter.

Im not going to bother reading it but I can tell by the longer list of "superior" items under the iphone that android is not for you. Dont want to make this a vs thread but you have no idea what your talking about. You and mom(viruses) should give up android.
Theres a reason I wont allow my wife or mom to purchase a android device. My wife uses a iphone4 and ipad2 daily. Theres absolutely nothing a iphone does better than sgs, sgs2 or note.
Funny thing is family and friends go crazy over all my android devices. With everything they can do. Christmas day, with all my friends over, watching movies/games thru mhl, and the million other things that entertained us. Bought my wife the ipad 2 for christmas and after a weeks time, the only thing that was even fun was the camera mirror photo booth app.
Out of the box android is superior to iphone. Jail-broken iphone only tries to mimic android. Funny thing is my winmo 6 devices were superior to android/iphone years ago.
and android doesnt have a app store lol.

1. 4S is can NOT be jailbroken, the devs are not even close to a solution.
2. Siri, is a gimmick and send all the voice data to apple for processing, this in turn increases your data usage.
3. The visible hardware is unchanged from iPhone4 and Androids have moved ages ahead.
4. iPhone4S has some Simcard issues. Loss of network is the result.
5. The iPhone UI is unchanged since the first 2G. Thats a lot of years of using the same UI. Most people didn't upgrade to 4S from 4 (including me) as the external form factor and the UI was the same. I just couldn't justify spending a bomb on a new fone that looks exactly the same and has the same interface.
6. Theme support? You can not put winterboard or dreamboard ,if you are not jailbroken.
7. iMessage although a nice concept has its own issues. It doesnt come close to Whatsapp or Blackberry Messenger.
The positive things about an iphone is the the resale value due to the novelty value is good and the Accessories that are available. Like the Indash DVD unit of my car syncs to ipod/iphone the Kicker music dock syncs to iphone/ipod etc.
Apple with iPhone 5 will really have to come up with something radical to catch up with the droids i believe.
Edit : How could i forget iPhone are marred by the fact that iTunes exists.
PS. I'm not a Droid fanboy, i used to be a apple fanboy.

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You really don't understand how Android multi-tasking works, do you? Or how it works on iOS, for that matter.
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It might be right, that LiquidNitrogen have no idea about dalvik, JVME or JIT-Compiling. What he does is: He is sharing his experience with both devices and the point is, that LiquidNitrogen loves the "no hassle" thing and uses the devices stock - like thousands of people do!
His arguments are only subjective and not scientificaly prooved and thats what apple is turning in to their business: they create products with zero-hassle-experience! Even my Mom could use an Iphone, and she allready has problems using a TV Remote
For me, i like hassle. I want to customize the look of my device and utilize it for doing what i want to, since WinMo 5.0... Android is just perfect for me.
I allways used big screen devices like HTC Universal, Dell Streak, etc.
I cannot understand how apple can sell a poststamp-sized-screen-phone for 700 bucks.... and: i would never buy this device since iTunes is an "must-have" thing. I hate iTunes, there is nothing worse than iTunes. my sister calls me once a week: "i just downloaded a video in .flv format, how can i make iTunes sync this with my iphohe?" you guys know what i mean ;-)

I don't have an iphone, but I thought your post was pretty objective.
Of course, this being the internet, you'll get flamed no matter what you do.
Some things I'd comment on:
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pretty much everything that you want software-wise is more than satisfied.
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Software is always personal choice. I think as long as you have facebook, twitter, and angry birds, you satisfy 95% of the general public. That's a slight exaggeration, but not by much actually.
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I like that the iPhone uses white for a lot of the background colour.
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I absolutely hate white backgrounds since It's just a battery drainer.
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- The OS and apps don't take advantage of the resolution. It might as well have a 320 x 480 resolution.
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I assume you mean fonts/buttons are still large - this is a result of the small screen. Even on the note, some tablet apps are just too painful to use. The text is just too small.
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I don't mind it because the stock experience is pretty much perfect. I don't HAVE to change anything. On the other hand, I don't GET to.
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See 'the paradox of choice'
- Frank

This post made me laugh. The iPhone having better multitasking? Really? No. the iPhone freezes your app that's "open" and there is no "multi tasking" it's monotasking with an icon to reopen where you were.
Cloud sync? Really? I haven't had to backup my contacts in years. Nor my calendar. I have sugarsync and dropbox, mostly sugarsync since I have a paid account with them, for my desktop. I also use it on my phone. It automatically backs up pictures and videos and any folders I want every day on my terms: wifi, plugged in. I don't see "cloud sync" as a pro for iOS. Especially not since it JUST came out. I've been syncing since my blackberry days to Google Contacts and Calendar.
Data usage on the iPhone is also a lot higher. Your email app for example loads emails AGAIN and AGAIN every time you open the email you want to see! Great way to lose data on silly things.
I used an iPhone 4 for almost a year, (that's a long time for me, check my signature), and I liked it but I got SOOO bored :
Tiny screen (not small, TINY...)
UI was so outdated, even though smooth. I'd prefer functional over esthetics. On my Notes desktop I have widgets for everything I need, and direct shortcuts to everything else. In 2 clicks I have wifi, gps, volume, etc. Access to a ton of features. Turning on / off wifi on the iphone is a pain. I'd imagine they did it on purpose as to be too much of a pain to turn it on and then you'd just use your data connection, use more data, and get carriers more money (back to the constant reloading of data)
Games were fun! But they were on such a small screen that text was almost illegible.
Multitasking took FOREVER. Many times I would want to reload an app, and since it wasn't made for saved-state, it would reload! And then there's the whole RELOADING of the app entirely if your ram ran out and your phone decided to recycle it completely while still showing that it's running.
Regardless, I DO agree that the iPhone just works. I also find that they made a huge profit margin on the same product (iphone 4 --> 4s) due to the same frame, screen, memory, buttons, etc.
That's a huge waste for us. Don't people want innovation? Choices? Apple gives you 1 iphone a year, with the same form factor, and the ONLY thing you can choose is memory and color. What if you could only get a car in 2 colors, and if it's a v6 or v8? Everyone would hate that. I think apple limits technology. I do believe Apple does do some things right though: user experience. Just because I love to tinker doesn't mean others do. Cameras, they have fantastic cameras in their phones. And that's about my limit. Ohh... and hyping a device They're good at that, too. haha.
These are my personal opinions. My mom uses a motorola flipout because it's got a physical keyboard. She likes her memory games and simple things that a crappy device gives her. She doesn't need a 600 euro phone (iPhone) that doesn't do anything better than her current 120 euro (unlocked) flipout that I got her 8 months ago, especially for her. Apple doesn't give her the choice for devices. Android devices do: they come in all shapes, prices, sizes and colors.

The OP was very respectful and quite accurate in his shared ideas.
At least as for the sound quality goes the iPhone headphone out trumps the Note one in terms of resolution and soundstage (Easily audible thru my Westone UM3x).
And that's a fact. As the lack of a clean line out is another fact. For music iPhone is still the king however you look at it.
For reading and browisng the Note trumps the iPhone. Obviously.
In the end the OP prefers the Note because of the screen. I don't see any fanboysm on him.
His view on the Android app market is spot on. Android fragmentation prevents apps to reach the quality level that they feature on iOS. It seems that ICS will fight that fragmentation.

IMO, in simplest terms, the iPhone and Note just caters to different people with different tastes.
In terms of library, iOS has a more robust environment compared to Android. And the fact that iOS apps simply "just works" is one feature that people would pay, rather than getting into a hassle.
Convenience has always been the market of choice for Apple, and it delivers.
And no, i do not own an iPhone, but my cousin has one, and i mostly assist when she needs to access the iOS market, so i have an idea of how robust this is.
Granted, the note works "out of the box", but the name of the game is customization, and android delivers. Especially when you decide to "root", and you just have a device, free from restrictions, and capable of becoming anything you want it to (granted, it is within the possibility).
I enjoy tinkering my note. Encountered plethoras of problems, and have grown wiser from it. Learned the capabilities and limitations of my device, and keep pushing it to its limits and beyond.
The note is a modders' dream come true.
I agree that iPhone is easier to use. I also agree that the Note is more superior compared to it. What i don't agree with, is labeling iPhone is superior/inferior to Note, because, based on how you use it, it always boils down to personal preference.
I am not fond of countering arguments, because in the simplest terms, they are just opinions. And opinions basically goes two ways. It's either you agree with it, or you disagree with it, and provide a counter argument.

Any device without a back button = FAIL

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I disqualified all his review as soon as I read about his opinion regarding multitasking... he has no opinion and doesn't know that ios is a half backed multitasking... lol and let me not start about his cloudsync or even Sirius lol

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How it works under the hood is only for geeks, 99.99% of the users only care about the user experience and for him its easier on iOS. No need to complicate things.

luv the note but !!!
feel embarassed to use the iphone headset wid it coz the one which came wid the note suckss .rest note is a beast.

Fair comparison, I don't and wont use apple myself but when some friends of mine that are totally clueless about tech stuff ask me what to get. I tell them to get an apple, they work as are and don't need any customization simply because it doesn't let you.
A more techy person will prefer android as its much more open and to get the best out of it you need to get down and dirty a little. Apple is simple and fairly idiot proof thats why the Idiots prefer them only joking lol.
I love the title a small iphone 4s vs NOTE

I have not read your post either since this kind of opinions has become too boring.
But will instead give you one piece of advice:
Whoever bought theGNote is unlikely to go back to IPhone, that's why this kind of comparison are useless. Just an hour ago went to meet a client, he was with a group of friends first thing he does seeing me: Hey Jack is that Samsung of yours with you?
-sure
They compare it with their IPhones, they want to watch a movie,just yesterday downloaded Paul with HD quality,their eyes pop up!!
Is this also a phone? One of them asks, -yes.
They want to see the camera, they are impressed after seeing the Spen.
-how much you said you paid for it?.
And no I don't work for Samsung,you don't have to since people have eyes to see.They want F#####g CHOICES, not just one form factor, telling you either take it or take it. !!

hagba said:
I have not read your post either since this kind of opinions has become too boring.
But will instead give you one piece of advice:
Whoever bought theGNote is unlikely to go back to IPhone, that's why this kind of comparison are useless. Just an hour ago went to meet a client, he was with a group of friends first thing he does seeing me: Hey Jack is that Samsung of yours with you?
-sure
They compare it with their IPhones, they want to watch a movie,just yesterday downloaded Paul with HD quality,their eyes pop up!!
Is this also a phone? One of them asks, -yes.
They want to see the camera, they are impressed after seeing the Spen.
-how much you said you paid for it?.
And no I don't work for Samsung,you don't have to since people have eyes to see.They want F#####g CHOICES, not just one form factor, telling you either take it or take it. !!
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+1. I chose to buy my Note over an iPhone for such reasons. Though I'm ever more concerned of wowing myself than other people.
But I do have to agree to one point in the review: Android market needs a little more apps, more specifically - games! But I'm pretty sure it'll catch up in no time so no pressure. On the productivity side, what we have now is more than good enough.
App selection aside, the iPhone is just like an Android phone that doesn't let you change mostly anything. (which is also in the review ) It starts of great but stays there. Androids can potentially start crappy, but if you know what you're doing you can make it better like, ten to hundredfold.

This thread is troll bait if I ever saw it...Must not reply...must not reply...lol

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1. 4S is can NOT be jailbroken, the devs are not even close to a solution.
2. Siri, is a gimmick and send all the voice data to apple for processing, this in turn increases your data usage.
3. The visible hardware is unchanged from iPhone4 and Androids have moved ages ahead.
4. iPhone4S has some Simcard issues. Loss of network is the result.
5. The iPhone UI is unchanged since the first 2G. Thats a lot of years of using the same UI. Most people didn't upgrade to 4S from 4 (including me) as the external form factor and the UI was the same. I just couldn't justify spending a bomb on a new fone that looks exactly the same and has the same interface.
6. Theme support? You can not put winterboard or dreamboard ,if you are not jailbroken.
7. iMessage although a nice concept has its own issues. It doesnt come close to Whatsapp or Blackberry Messenger.
The positive things about an iphone is the the resale value due to the novelty value is good and the Accessories that are available. Like the Indash DVD unit of my car syncs to ipod/iphone the Kicker music dock syncs to iphone/ipod etc.
Apple with iPhone 5 will really have to come up with something radical to catch up with the droids i believe.
Edit : How could i forget iPhone are marred by the fact that iTunes exists.
PS. I'm not a Droid fanboy, i used to be a apple fanboy.
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one major reason why I came back to android after getting the iphone 4s awful network faults, buggy its oh and locked down fymware never again will I own anything apple note rocks love it
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EarlZ said:
How it works under the hood is only for geeks, 99.99% of the users only care about the user experience and for him its easier on iOS. No need to complicate things.
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This.
Also, I do know the basics of how multi-tasking works on iOS vs Android, but not enough to make comments about it so I didn't. I based the multi-tasking comment on how the average non-techie person would interpret the phone. I get 6 apps in Android's "recent apps" list and I get as many as I want in iOS's multi-tasking 'tray'/'bar'. Also, I didn't make a comment about apps being frozen by iOS simply because of this question: Do I notice it? The answer is no. I rarely, if ever, notice that my apps are being frozen. And when I do, I don't care. On Android, I DO notice that I can't pull up more than six apps easily. I also notice that I can't play youtube and other videos in the background on the Note, which annoys me to no end. This will be fixed in ICS though, if I remember correctly.
As for the back button thing, yes it certainly is a pro for Android. On the downside, it doesn't always perform correctly. I anticipate this being solved in ICS though. Gingerbread, to me, feels full of 'beginner/basic mistakes' that will be probably solved in ICS. I didn't mention most of them because of that.
Also, I am aware that my comparison is very top heavy in terms of more stuff written about iPhone then the Note, but I just ran out of steam by the end of my article.
As for rooting/jailbreaking, I didn't include either as I don't have experience with either, and I also didn't include it as the average person does not know how to do that nor will end up doing it if given the option: either because they don't want to, don't have the time to, don't have the knowledge/techie-skills to, etc. I tried to base my article around what the average user might experience than the advanced stuff.
On a side note, I've noticed a lot of flamey/poorly-written comments. Oh well. I expected it, even though I don't root for one device or the other. Please take note of how I didn't say "The iPhone is better" or "The Note is better" but rather just listed features where one felt superior/inferior to the other. Basically a pro's/con's list. I did this because, objectively speaking, neither is better or worse than the other.
Also I didn't even mention Siri, but from some comments here some people think that I did - which is an obvious tipoff that a lot of people are commenting without reading. Anyways, perhaps I should have mentioned Siri, but I didn't. Why? I never really use it. Same with the voice functionality on the Note. If I did, however, have to choose one or the other, I would definitely choose Siri - just because of the way its setup and the things I can do with it. Whenever I have used siri it is when I have the phone in my pocket and don't feel like answering a text or otherwise pulling the phone out, so I long-press on the button on my headphones and just tell Siri what I want. She gets it right most of the time.
I also didn't mention that the iPhone has a superior physical design. The metal and glass design looks amazing. I didn't mention it, however, because I always have it in a case, so I hardly see it. It also makes it very heavy. The Note feels kind of cheap if I had to comment about it, at least in comparison to the iPhone, but its part of the reason why its light so its forgivable, and I never really notice the quality difference between the 4S and the Note.
Also, BIG DIFFERENCE between the Note and the 4S that I didn't think to write: the 4S is very scratch resistant and the screen just feels more durable. My Note's screen gets scratched very easily and the glass on it feels much less durable.
Another difference is that the volume rocker and the power button on the Note are right where I always want to grab it to pull it out of my pocket or a case or whatever. I often always pretty the power button by accident while holding the phone. It's very annoying. However, I realize that they did it that way because the top of the phone is too far to reach with the hand that is holding the phone. If I was given the choice, though, I wouldn't change the power button and volume rocker configuration - but it is annoying. Also, I usually don't have that problem with the iPhone and if I do it is just the volume buttons I end up pressing.
Also, another interesting social aspect of the Note vs iPhone: When I got my iPhone, my friends with Android phones flamed me to no end (and still flame me to this day). However, when I got the Note, my friends with iPhones didn't make a single negative comment and complimented me on it. This may be unique to my situation but it's just another difference I noticed.
What's also interesting is that the S-Pen on my Note is much more sensitive and better to use than the one on my parents Note. Both were stock and running the same firmware, and came from the same source and carrier (and probably batch).

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As for the back button thing, yes it certainly is a pro for Android. On the downside, it doesn't always perform correctly..
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Used SGS, SGS II, now using SGN - never faced any problem.
Two things I liked about the white iPhone 4 and the Black iPhone 4S I had was they had very good resell value and a really pretty girl wanted to see my white iPhone and we had coffee together.

What are some ways you can compare a nexus to iPhone in real life?
Which aspects of the N4 do you think are better than the iPhone?
My friends are deluded and seem to be going by just looks, how do I show them the N4 is more than what they think it is?

Show them this maybe.
http://gizmodo.com/5973073/an-iphone-lovers-confession-i-switched-to-the-nexus-4-completely
Then again anyone who has used both a lot will say that they are somewhat close to each other. They're both incredible phones and to be honest, anyone who says the iPhone is a lot better is just biased , and vice versa with people claiming the nexus 4 is a lot better. Both phones are somewhat close and it ends up falling on personal preference.
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Just by looks? The N4 wins that by far imo.
Anyways I've always wondered but couldn't find any solid information, what is the screen on time of an iPhone 5? If anyone knows..

Ngo93 said:
Just by looks? The N4 wins that by far imo.
Anyways I've always wondered but couldn't find any solid information, what is the screen on time of an iPhone 5? If anyone knows..
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In all the tests I've seen (yet), the iPhone always beats other smartphones in terms of battery life. The difference isn't night and day, but the iPhone probably lasts around 1/4 or 1/3 longer than most smartphones.
With the Nexus 4 looking freaking incredible, looks isn't an argument anymore. The iPhone also has a very nice design, but what I hate is that they don't really change it. I have the same criticism towars Google by the way. It's a shame that the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4 look so similar at the front. But that's only one time, and the back IS different (and nicer), so at least I have a feeling it has changed. Apple changes too, but not as much as other companies.
Where the Nexus 4 really shines though is the OS. It's just a fact that you can do a whole of a lot more with Android. A whole lot more. Advantage of iOS is that it's fast(er) and intuitive. However, this gapp is gradually being closed as the Nexus 4 has virtually no lag at all, at least not really more than the iPhone. Some OS features do still lag though, even though the hardware is good enough to take care of them, which kind of sucks. As for intuitifity (is that a word?), in my opinion Android is not really any worse, and some would argue it's better. Things like having all your downloaded apps integrated (as stated in the gizmodo article above) is just better.
If you are going to tweak around with custom ROMs I wouldn't even doubt a second. The N4 has the price going for it (really, how can one not see that? The iPhone is twice as expensive, and it's certainly not twice as good), it has Android (which means tweaking, if you're into that), and now that the hardware is fast and Android became mature, it's also fast and intuitive without having to tweak around.

Have both. While the iPhone is going back (merely because it is equally good but far more expensive), it is in my opinion the better looking device, definitely the more premium device, and iOS is still a little smoother, faster, and more consistent and refined than Android is at the moment. Google know Android has a way to go yet in terms of fit and finish, but in terms of features and flexibility, it is currently the market leader. And it is crystal clear that Google are heading in the right direction - ICS and JB were massive steps forward over what were pretty poor predecessors.
Which I prefer? Honestly, if I was given either I'd be chuffed. The iPhone's hardware is far superior, but I do feel that Android's multitasking makes it for me.
Battery life...Nexus 4 would get around 6 hours of screen on time browsing over Wi-Fi, iPhone, around 9. Very vague I know, but it's a rough estimate. Over 3G, about the same; the iPhone 5 doesn't seem to hold onto its power on standby well at all.
How to convince your friends? I wouldn't. Let them play, let them judge based on the price tag.

iPhone: Faster, smoother, noticeably better cameras, noticeably better battery life, higher quality apps, less things to fix or workaround, much easier to use one handed (and I have large hands), much easier to back up, better build quality, significantly more choices in app and accessory ecosystem.
Nexus: Dramatically cheaper to own and use! Open - off contract, more customizable, widgets, accessible file system, more options for how to do things for the most part. It has a bigger display as well, but it gets in the way of one handed operation.
I like my Nexus 4 a lot, but if the iPhone was $350 and $30-50/month, it would be a tough decision to still go with the Nexus 4. I might, as I really like the usability and customizability of widgets and software like tasker and other utils, and being able access/stream/copy files to/from my network is really liberating. But there are still many rough edges to Android that don't exist with iOS.
If your friends are tinkerers and problem solvers Android is best. If they are not, and want the best user experience, let them keep their iPhones.

iOS: high end device with latest technology right out of the box, for people that don't understand or doesn't like to tweak their devices.
Android: high end device with latest technology right out of the box, for people that understand and like to tweak their devices for good and better customization/performance.
The only thing iOS beats Android, it's the app quality (not all, but the majority).
But I'll be honest, I was kinda jealous of my girlfriend's iphone 5 (with my s2). But after getting my N4, she's jealous of my phone =D

N4 is for tech junky not rich wannabe trendy in cool types
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Battery life...Nexus 4 would get around 6 hours of screen on time browsing over Wi-Fi,
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No idea where you got that number from, but 4 hours is about the limit I've seen.

If we're talking about a lot of browsing throughout the day on Wi-Fi, I get close to 6 hours. Daily usage with the majority of it on 3G, less of course, probably around the 4 hour mark.

kristoff125 said:
No idea where you got that number from, but 4 hours is about the limit I've seen.
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Then you're doing it wrong.

estallings15 said:
Then you're doing it wrong.
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Should I hold my phone differently?

kristoff125 said:
Should I hold my phone differently?
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Yes!

Why do you feel the need to show them anything? Why do you think they are deluded? Maybe you should worry about your own stuff and they worry about theirs.
But like a number of other users have said, the pros for the n4 are custom roms/tinkering and price, if your friends don't care about those things then you aren't going to convince them the n4 is the better phone.

calanizzle said:
iOS: high end device with latest technology right out of the box, for people that don't understand or doesn't like to tweak their devices.
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Probably not latest technology AFAICT.

kristoff125 said:
No idea where you got that number from, but 4 hours is about the limit I've seen.
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you should get over 4 hours wifi, I got 4.30 on stock, 5 hours display on wifi easy, or 6 clocked at 1100mhz
anyway
iphone is for the majority who upgraded from a nokia 3310 and don't know what to expect in a phone, just want emails etc
android for those who like freedom to customize and know what to expect when they spend money.

There is plenty to like and dislike about both phones.
The one that fills more of your likes then dislikes is the better phone for you.

Sorry iPhone 5 beats N4 but Samsung Galaxy 3 is iPhone slayer.
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Having just switched from an iphone 4 to the N4, the one thing that I can't believe hasn't been built into Android yet is lockscreen notifications. I understand you can pull the notification bar down, but I'd like to see something like iOS or Windows Phone 8 where I can see at a glance how many unread emails, msgs, missed calls I have without having to buy apps to do it. Not seeing the screen wake up when I receive a new notification is different too (also to quickly glance), but I'm getting used to that.

neilshahh said:
What are some ways you can compare a nexus to iPhone in real life?
Which aspects of the N4 do you think are better than the iPhone?
My friends are deluded and seem to be going by just looks, how do I show them the N4 is more than what they think it is?
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Power on the N4. Unlock it. Done.
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