I haven't seen anything in the T-Mobile Forums on this issue but if anyone is concerned about how the two version compare real world scenario wise here is a good video displaying the differences. Benchmarks aren't everything.
http://youtu.be/-XmfQZoYqbY
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FRuiTBoOT said:
I haven't seen anything in the T-Mobile Forums on this issue but if anyone is concerned about how the two version compare real world scenario wise here is a good video displaying the differences. Benchmarks aren't everything.
http://youtu.be/-XmfQZoYqbY
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DUEL core. I see what you did there! (even though you probably didn't see it yourself)
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DUEL core. I see what you did there! (even though you probably didn't see it yourself)
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Yeah I did that on purpose....actually no I didn't My FAIL.
Thanks for sharing that video. It was really nice to see that the S4 could really hang neck and neck with the exynos.
lame comparison!
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lame comparison!
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The internet is a strange place. Would it be too much to ask for you to elaborate on that? In the limited amount of time he had I thought he covered just about everything that I wanted to know about.
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The internet is a strange place. Would it be too much to ask for you to elaborate on that? In the limited amount of time he had I thought he covered just about everything that I wanted to know about.
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+1 :good:
my thoughts exactly...well, yours is worded better with absolutely no profanity in sight unlike mine would've been. except i don't care what that user thinks.
Better battery life. twice the RAM, cheaper for US buyers, same speed and performance, has LTE. Only reason you would want to pick the international version is for the better GPU, if you play a lot of 3D games on your phone that is (I leave that to my playstation and big screen TV). It'll also get faster updates, but for those who care about updating, most will have already flashed a third party rom. Oh, and benchmark numbers. Very few and specific benefits if you ask me. You can unlock the AT&T or T-mobile phones with a cheap unlock code from eBay, or probably for free if that unlock app carries over to the US versions.
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Better battery life. twice the RAM, cheaper for US buyers, same speed and performance, has LTE. Only reason you would want to pick the international version is for the better GPU, if you play a lot of 3D games on your phone that is (I leave that to my playstation and big screen TV). It'll also get faster updates, but for those who care about updating, most will have already flashed a third party rom. Oh, and benchmark numbers. Very few and specific benefits if you ask me. You can unlock the AT&T or T-mobile phones with a cheap unlock code from eBay, or probably for free if that unlock app carries over to the US versions.
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Much better devs as well.
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looks like it's goign to be the replacement for the g1, who's going to get it? rumors say jan 5th
I have it. It's very nice. It runs liek butta.
I'm probably going to get it. It looks as if there is already a system dump. at AndroidSPIN.com. I hope some devs will start working on this.
How much bigger is the screen then the g1? And I'm guessing batterey life is a lot better
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How much bigger is the screen then the g1? And I'm guessing batterey life is a lot better
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3.7" and I don't know about the battery life yet (got it couple hours ago).
3.7 wide ,and how tall
Wish i worked for google
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3.7 wide ,and how tall
Wish i worked for google
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Who measures screens length and width? It is 3.7" diagonally...
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I have it. It's very nice. It runs liek butta.
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Can you tell us if it trumps the Droid in all respects (aside from not having a qwerty)? I'm sure you can't be specific, but I just want to know if it's going to have more RAM and a faster processor. Also, if you could let us know about battery life, that would be sweet.
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Can you tell us if it trumps the Droid in all respects (aside from not having a qwerty)? I'm sure you can't be specific, but I just want to know if it's going to have more RAM and a faster processor. Also, if you could let us know about battery life, that would be sweet.
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Of course, its from HTC of course So its a quality product nonetheless you have nothing to worry.The droid had some cam problems i heard.nexus has snapped-dragon @700MHZ i think.
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Can you tell us if it trumps the Droid in all respects (aside from not having a qwerty)? I'm sure you can't be specific, but I just want to know if it's going to have more RAM and a faster processor. Also, if you could let us know about battery life, that would be sweet.
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Can't say much about the Droid, as I don't own one. Therefore I don't know the long run with it. The nexus has twice the ram and about twice the cpu clock speed compared to the Droid, but iirc, the Droid has a dedicated gpu.
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Of course, its from HTC of course So its a quality product nonetheless you have nothing to worry.The droid had some cam problems i heard.nexus has snapped-dragon @700MHZ i think.
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It at 1 GHz
Since the phone is unlocked, im hoping i can get it to recieve 3G from Tmo or Att
Would be nice to use the sense 2.1 instead of Nexus Ui.
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Since the phone is unlocked, im hoping i can get it to recieve 3G from Tmo or Att
Would be nice to use the sense 2.1 instead of Nexus Ui.
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Nexus One has already been passed through the FCC, and is confirmed that the phone supports both Tmo and Att 3G basebands
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scratch that, seems that it's Tmo 3G supported, not Att
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/htc-nexus-one-blessed-by-the-fcc-with-t-mobile-and-att-huspa/
What about that rumor of it being 199..
I hope this phone will be avaliable from HTC (maybe in europe).
Might sound strange but I actually like my phones to say HTC on them instead of something like "T-Mobile".
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I hope this phone will be avaliable from HTC (maybe in europe).
Might sound strange but I actually like my phones to say HTC on them instead of something like "T-Mobile".
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these phones aren't carrier branded. These phones are to be sold directly by google. The basebands that were tested by the FCC just shows that the Nexus One is showing full T-mobile 3G support. These phones are Unlocked GSM phones
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Can't say much about the Droid, as I don't own one. Therefore I don't know the long run with it. The nexus has twice the ram and about twice the cpu clock speed compared to the Droid, but iirc, the Droid has a dedicated gpu.
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Sounds fantastic so far... I was under the impression there was a version of Snapdragon chipset with dedicated GPU... so this definitely doesn't have a dedicated GPU?
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Sounds fantastic so far... I was under the impression there was a version of Snapdragon chipset with dedicated GPU... so this definitely doesn't have a dedicated GPU?
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Not sure, all I know it has a "QUALCOMM QSD 8250, 1 GHz"
it's amazing how fast this forum progresses when a new phone comes out.
google phone was released its employees, and there's already a dump of the android 2.1 on the dev section.
Can't wait till this comes out, would be a nice successor to my g1
Is nexus set up with gizmo for free voip calls.
Feel free to ignore this q if it is dumb or if answering it would get you in trouble. But I was curious whether the phone was set up to easily make free VOIP calls domestically using a combination of google voice (perhaps enabled by gizmo5 which google recently acquired).
What a killer feature if it is feasible from a regulatory perspective.
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Feel free to ignore this q if it is dumb or if answering it would get you in trouble. But I was curious whether the phone was set up to easily make free VOIP calls domestically using a combination of google voice (perhaps enabled by gizmo5 which google recently acquired).
What a killer feature if it is feasible from a regulatory perspective.
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Being that flan is leak to the wazoo...well, there is not much to hide (except the dude who leaked the ROM...no joke.)
Anyways,
GV is hard integrated. You can use the N1 as a gv/wifi phone if you want with no need to sign-up for a cellular service.
I bought the G2x on 4/20 when I came out, I did the payment agreement, where I pay it off it 2 years IR whatever, but I think I still have the option of a 30 day return?
Because I'm seriously considering the Galaxy S 2 almostly purely because I love that the screen takes up most of the phone, rather than the G2x. I also really like the 1gb ram.
It has pretty much everything that my G2x has that I would want.
-Dual Core processor
- 4" + screen
- 8mp camera with LED flash
- HDMI output and recording
I know the huge issue people have with Samsung is the software, but if ROMS come out, which I'm sure they will, then it wouldn't be an issue then?
Something I read online e is that it wont be good for games. Games I play would be like N64 emulator, fruit ninja, doodle jump, robot defense. Would games like that be fine? If so what kind of games are we talking about?
I need a little help in my decision.
I'm also on T-Mobile, so..it would help to know if it is coming out for T-Mobile or would support their 4G bands unlocked?
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I know the huge issue people have with Samsung is the software,
You would have to clarify that i have no problem with stock SGS 1 or SGS 2 firmware and prefer touchwiz
but if ROMS come out,
Roms will come out and the phone will be more customizable than stock .
A the devs need to buy or be donated phones and b find time to work on them .
You need to sort out what these issues are for you rather than others .
jje
I had the Optimus X2 which is the same phone just what its called in the UK and have now got the Galaxy S2 and I am glad I sold it, the phone isn't as good as the GS2.
1080P recording on the X2 isn't in the same league as the GS2, its only 24fps and isn't smooth and has no focus of any kind which is rather poor, the one big advantage the x2 has is it has a unlocked boot loader so is much easier to get custom roms out on.
Can't advise you on the gaming side as I am not interested in it, only play the odd game of Angry Birds from time to time but the UK and USA versions of the GS2 use the Exynos processor clocked at 1.2Ggz, and as you said 1gig ram is a big bonus.
People only really have issues with TouchWiz on the GS2 and lets be honest the LG launcher is such a copy of TouchWiz it looks identical but I use launcher pro anyway, another thing is the internet browser on the GS2 is really really good, I personally use a different browser to the stock one but its super smooth can handle full flash enabled all the time and never gets jerky like it does on the x2.
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...the one big advantage the x2 has is it has a unlocked boot loader so is much easier to get custom roms out on.
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Just to clarify, the SGS2 also has an unlocked bootloader, so this isnt an issue.
Yes buy it.
/thread.
Indeed buy it you won't regret it
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Buy it. I haver mine for a few days.best phone I've ever had.
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I'm in same boat
Totally unsure. Heard lot of good things but also lot of bad
May just wait for HTC Sensation
Garfs said:
I'm in same boat
Totally unsure. Heard lot of good things but also lot of bad
May just wait for HTC Sensation
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Care to elaborate on this?
Garfs said:
May just wait for HTC Sensation
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Chances of rooting that are slim without hardware... It seems to be getting harder and harder to root the new HTCs
Garfs posted .
Totally unsure. Heard lot of good things but also lot of bad
What are these supposed bad things ?????????????
Elaborate and maybe users can clarify .
jje
Just have a look on this board
Complaints about SMS, camera, battery, pixels, video
As regards to hacking etc I want a phone that's great out of the box. I don't want to have to hack it in anyway way to make it better
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Just have a look on this board
Complaints about SMS, camera, battery, pixels, video
As regards to hacking etc I want a phone that's great out of the box. I don't want to have to hack it in anyway way to make it better
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Minority views .
3 users say camera is bad means camera IS BAD ?????
Dont buy one stick with Nokia .
jje
I've got iPhone mate
And just because people disagree with you doesn't mean you're right
Dont act like such a fanboy and get all butt hurt
If I'm spending £40-£500 on a phone I want the best possible and will not dive in just because of hype
Totally agree with you .
But their is no way i would look at a post that has 1 out of 10 users with a dead pixel its not representative same as IPhone reception problem is not representative .
Plenty of reviews online now .
Most users are not reporting problems .
Not a fanboy of any brand or phone i sort out what is best for me for the money .
jje
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I've got iPhone mate
And just because people disagree with you doesn't mean you're right
Dont act like such a fanboy and get all butt hurt
If I'm spending £40-£500 on a phone I want the best possible and will not dive in just because of hype
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what did you here about battery, video and pixels?
Ive read only positive stuff about the screen and battery. My only concern is gaming as the phone seems to be not compatible with a lot of games. but i guess this will change once this device is available on more markets.
Okay, so my big issue then would be game compatibility.
Anyone know if it would work on T-mobiles 4G network? Or would I have to switch to AT&T.
I'm also trying godecide what to do after I return the G2x, stick with a ****ty.phone for a couple months or...
When dies this phone come out?
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Not a perfect solution but why not freeze it titanium backup and then either unfreeze it as and when needed our use wireless tether from market. I've never set it up so not had the problem.
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Care to elaborate on this?
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There are two large threads with WiFi and GPS issues. Not a single user but multiple users. Look? I want this phone, badly, but my confidence is shaken at the current price with these issues.
www.tekkaus.com/2011/12/samsung-galaxy-note-with-its-mighty-s.html
Bookmark it!!
i couldn't tell whether that was a review or advertisement
That was pretty crap. Nothing but an excuse to jam as many referral links and adverts on to the page as possible.
Besides that Galaxy Note is quite future-proof in terms of connectivity. Samsung Galaxy Note allows you to embrace 4G LTE with transfer rate up to 21Mbps, should your country has it.
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This part is misleading though, in the Note's current form (with 1.4Ghz Exynos Samsung made chip) it does NOT support 4G/LTE. Only when it gets a Qualcomm chip (which is slower than the Exynos will it support 4G/LTE.
Loaded with the Qualcomm Snapdragon chip is likely what will be coming to AT&T and others in the US.
Question is, the Note has been noted to have some lag under certain conditions, so where it is present will that lag increase with the Qualcomm since it is a slower chip? And do you want a slower chip just to gain the ability to use 4G/LTE? One would have to decide for themselves considering of course such factors as...is 4G/LTE even available where they are and is it something they would just HAVE to have considering wifi and 3G in many cases are just fine.
Also, will the upcoming 1.5 Exynos support 4G/LTE and become available anytime soon in the Note.
For me, I want the Exynos in my Note, so within the next few weeks (barring some earth shattering revelation regarding a new, unlocked version I might have to wait a month for) it will be mine, then you all can tell me how to grow roots and do mods and such things.
Now that these phones have reached such heights of technology (not to mention...price) they should really make it like a computer where (at least for awhile) we can purchase and install ourselves a new CPU but I won't hold my breath.
Ordered mine this morning the white one on ipmart
I hardly decide between the nexus or the note and the note wins
With ICS it would be awesome
Hope I can put my hands on it next week
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Ordered mine this morning the white one on ipmart
I hardly decide between the nexus or the note and the note wins
With ICS it would be awesome
Hope I can put my hands on it next week
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Congratulations! And don't worry you WILL get some ice cream, then an already great device will be even better!!!
Wondering what the OPs relationship is to the material he linked to... That 'review' is rubbish, just an advertorial really. I will vouch for my review over that one in a heartbeat!
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Wondering what the OPs relationship is to the material he linked to... That 'review' is rubbish, just an advertorial really. I will vouch for my review over that one in a heartbeat!
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Yes. You are right. I have said this before in one of your videos & I will say it again... Your review has got to be the most honest, detailed & comprehensive report on this phone anywhere on the Internet.
Hell, NZ's review may be the best review about any phone on the Internet. Really stellar stuff and I am looking forward to his take on the Galaxy Nexus.
And speaking of NZ, that was one hell of a cricket win today.
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I will vouch for my review over that one in a heartbeat!
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I will vote for yours too! It's simply the best & complete phone review I have read in the last 5-6 years... The time since I actually read phone reviews
Another vote for NZ's review. It kicks ass over any other review of any other thing anywhere
I now have both and here is what i found out.
-US gets same battery life as International with LTE ON
-US has same amount of idle ram used (aroung 678mb) bit has 1.8GB total ram.
-International has overall higher processor scores but US is better per core.
-To much of my surprise, 3D and 2D graphics are rated higher on the US version in all benchmarks (though not by much)
-US version has smooth gaming performance but gets hot. International has smooth performance for most games and stays cool, but there are some choppy games most like due to bad optimization.
-US version is best selling android phone and a lot of developers are optimizing their app for it. Mass Effect was optimized for the US version on day one.
-US version does not currently support GameLoft games. International plays most GameLoft games perfectly, some newer ones have a little lag.
Both are great phones, but if you live in the US (like me) than the US version is the way to go. It does everything the International version does and plays games very smoothly.
Note: I have the AT&T S3 for my US version.
Nvm
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I got international for America. Oh well lol
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I got international for America. Oh well lol
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Me too.. and to OP I dont understand why all you US GS3 users feel the constant need to come in here and tell us your device is better... Do we come to your forums and troll? no, as a matter of fact I've been in your forums since I'm an ATT customer and even have answered a few questions for people and was helpful. I just dont understand why the US GS3 users feel the need to come tell us how much supirior their device is to ours.. if you ask me they are trying to convince themselves of that more than anything.. To help so they feel better about their purchase
This thread should be closed because it's such a blatant troll thread. and by the way.. I just odered mine today and I went with the international.. you know the device as the way Samsung intended it, not mutilated to serve the us markets
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Me too.. and to OP I dont understand why all you US GS3 users feel the constant need to come in here and tell us your device is better... Do we come to your forums and troll? no, as a matter of fact I've been in your forums since I'm an ATT customer and even have answered a few questions for people and was helpful. I just dont understand why the US GS3 users feel the need to come tell us how much supirior their device is to ours.. if you ask me they are trying to convince themselves of that
This thread should be closed because it's such a blatant troll thread. and by the way.. I just odered mine today and I went with the international.. you know the device as the way Samsung intended it, not mutilated to serve the us markets
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You hit the nail firmly on its head. I'm pretty sure we already know which one is better if insecurities cause fan boys to attack other boards.
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International has overall higher processor scores but US is better per core.
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You realize how funny this sounds, right? Since the price of the phone isn’t determined “by the core" and you can only have four on the i9300 and two on the U.S. variants "better per core" is a pretty meaningless statistic.
Closed, we already have multiple us vs international sgs3 threads, we dont need another.
I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are? What if LG & Google just did a bad job putting the overall package together, and it never comes close to performing like the Optimus G?
Again: I'm not asking, "do you think it's going to be this way?" I'm just asking a hypothetical, and that's it.
So what happens next? Wait for a new Asus or Samsung phone? Pick up a GN2, actual Optimus G, GS3? Switch to WP8 or iOS? Go back to the Gnex? Stick with the Nexus 4 and ride out its shortcomings? Live in denial, cursing reviewers?
Just wondering.
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I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are?
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Simple... If certain things cause you not to like a phone then don't buy it
The review units didn't ship with widgets on the lock screen feature and multi-user login feature. Those will be in the final builds before shipment. That final build should address those issues. I think Google made a foolish mistake to release unfinished software for review.
But to answer your question, those will never be permanent so your question just doesn't make sense. The LG Optimus G, which has the exact same specs, scored well in benchmarks and battery tests. The issue with the Nexus 4 is definitely the software. And if it's software, Google will take care.
If you really want an answer, well then this is a terrible device, I guess?
Remember, people thought ICS was crappy and laggy when it was first released on the GNex
I hope for everyone's sake that these issues are only temporary.
That said along with my other concerns (LTE and storage are a pretty big deal for me, HATERS: NO MAYBE NOT FOR YOU I DON'T CARE) I am already on the fence between buying this before the holidays and waiting to see what comes next year. If there are quality or performance issues then that will push me over the edge to riding out a few more months with my i9000.
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I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are? What if LG & Google just did a bad job putting the overall package together, and it never comes close to performing like the Optimus G?
Again: I'm not asking, "do you think it's going to be this way?" I'm just asking a hypothetical, and that's it.
So what happens next? Wait for a new Asus or Samsung phone? Pick up a GN2, actual Optimus G, GS3? Switch to WP8 or iOS? Go back to the Gnex? Stick with the Nexus 4 and ride out its shortcomings? Live in denial, cursing reviewers?
Just wondering.
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According to one of the guys writing the review for Android Police, there's an update coming out November 11th to finalize the software of their phones. Also like another user said, their current test build didn't include certain features and even when Matias Duarte did the demo for the verge, he said it wasn't the final product. Even though its not final yet, everyone has said that the phone is second to none in speed. Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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Hero_Guy said:
Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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That's what forums are for
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According to one of the guys writing the review for Android Police, there's an update coming out November 11th to finalize the software of their phones. Also like another user said, their current test build didn't include certain features and even when Matias Duarte did the demo for the verge, he said it wasn't the final product. Even though its not final yet, everyone has said that the phone is second to none in speed. Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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Awesome news. Source?
Honestly, even if.. so what? I sell my gnex 200$ buy that phone for 300$ so effectively pay 100$ for a phone that the current benchmarks are 10 times better than the gnex... I'd gladly pay 100$ a year for that kind of upgrade.
Wow. Okay. I really didn't think I'd have to say this again, but: I am not saying that the complaints are going to stick. I'm not asking for the probability that they will; other people have discussed that ad nauseam elsewhere. I'm just asking, honestly: if the worst happens, and it isn't a pre-production/software issue, and the phone only gets 5.5 hours battery life, and is beaten half the time on benchmarks by last-gen phones, what's the call? What would you guys do, in that situation? I'm not trying to start a flame war. I'm trying to honestly attempt to consider a possible situation.
Its simple: N4 got same hardware as Optimus G, which means hardware cant be a reason for scoring lower on benchmarks. Since hardware cant be a reason, it can be software. Those Nexus 4 on tests doesnt have some 4.2 features yet, so you can clearly see that this isnt final software yet.
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The battery definitely should be a software issue. I have a feeling that something is causing the CPU or GPU to not be able to fully downclock on idle which is causing both the battery and heat issues. Though really, the phone should be designed so that it doesn't overheat even when it's running at 100%.
N4 got same hardware as Optimus G,
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What if the hardware is NOT the same?
Maybe N4 has cheaper, slower RAM, less memory bandwidth, binned lower efficient processor,...
It could very well be possible that N4 uses inferior components to enable this awesome cheap price.
MarkusL81 said:
What if the hardware is NOT the same?
Maybe N4 has cheaper, slower RAM, less memory bandwidth, binned lower efficient processor,...
It could very well be possible that N4 uses inferior components to enable this awesome cheap price.
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That's not how a SoC works though... The components are set in stone, not interchangeable
I'm on the GN LTE. It sucks but I can live with it until I figure out the situation with the N4. I rushed into the GN when it first came out without waiting for critical review. Huge mistake.
I won't repeat that with the N4. I'll wait at least a few weeks after the release to see how the reviews play out.
I really hope the N4 can be my next phone. The price is just right. I don't see any good alternative other than paying nearly double for a Note II or S III.
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That's not how a SoC works though... The components are set in stone, not interchangeable
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And there could be different versions of the SoC. Was any model confirmed beyond it being a S4 Pro? There could very will be multiple versions of the the S4 Pro.
The chips have been confirmed to be the same.