Illegal to Clone or Swap ESN on any Mobile Device! - Networking

The only 2 mobile companies our computer store will not flash a mobile device to is Boost or Virgin Mobile. Many other companies have argued this decision and the reasons are now posted for all to see. I've been trying to get clear answers but correct me if I'm wrong please.
The law stated since April 24th 1998 it is ILEGAL to alter any FACTORY SET ESN for any reason whatsoever clearly stated under Communications Act (Section 301). Therefore, unless that ruling changes, we do not support flashing any mobile device to Boost Mobile or Virgin Mobile by Swaping ESNs as that violates that ruling. Please consider supporting companies that welcome consumers to make their own choices in mobile devices such as Simple Mobile and Page Plus. While Simple Mobile offers unlimited service as low as 40 per month on T-Mobiles Towers, Page Plus is more spendy but no-contract as well and has the power of Verizon's Network. Just get a good programmer in your area.
Please download attachments. The links below are more resources:
http://androidforums.com/lg-optimus-v/409186-flash-boost-mobile.html
http://forum.iphone-developers.com/general-iphone/1171-iphone-4-cdma-boost-mobile.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433566
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/97-98/bill/asm/ab_1101-1150/ab_1127_bill_19970703_amended_sen.html
http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/1029.html
http://www.tiaonline.org/standards/numbering-resources/electronic-serial-numbers-esn-and-meid

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http://www.fcc.gov/guides/cell-phone-fraud
As long as you do not have 2 devices on the same ESN.
It is not against the law.
However, it might be pretty soon.
It was just big national headlines within the last few months that they are tossing around legislation, its in the same stuff as the stolen device list info.

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Would EVO 4G work on the Boost Mobile Network

Yes no maybe?
it'll be sweet if we could buy an unlocked EVO 4G and run it on the boost network! Don't care for 4G at this point in time anyway
no evo will not work on boost mobile
and boost is owned by sprint they wouldnt activate a evo for boost
I think a better question would be WHY would you want to activate it on the Boost network? That's like buying a Ferrari and putting four spares on it.
Xenithflare said:
I think a better question would be WHY would you want to activate it on the Boost network? That's like buying a Ferrari and putting four spares on it.
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lol.. More like buying a Ferrari and taking a v12 out and putting a v6 in it.
funny replies, but i dont think you guys understand what the op means, i personally have the touch pro 2 with 3g working perfectly fine with boost mobile, its more like a hack that a techie did for me, basically works on the sprint network and everything BUT the monthly payments go out to boost, pretty neat.
now im anxious to know if it would be possible with the evo as well, im positive that it may be done, ill try and ask the tech that helped me out with the touch pro.
and off topic the ferrari replies reminded me of this sports car : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaQB_tgS7f0
Yes you can the evo is a cdma phone the only thing you need to do is to go online to boostmobile.com and change the esn # but the only thing is that you much cdma account with boost
walex365 said:
Yes you can the evo is a cdma phone the only thing you need to do is to go online to boostmobile.com and change the esn # but the only thing is that you much cdma account with boost
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can you give more information on this please
yes you can and in florida there are many people who can get your current esn added to boost meaning you wouldn't have to change it and even have 3g working with full features.
Yet another thread on getting your evos on boost. Here's the deal for those of you who don't know. The process to get an evo working on boost mobile invloves cloning esn's. And it doesn't matter if it's your own esn or not - the FCC sees this as a federal offense, and nobody on XDA should assist with this in any way. This isn't the same as breaking your contract with sprint - this is a government entity you're going up against. Will they catch you? Who knows, but you've just gone on record as wanting to commit a federal offence in a public forum - and one of the posters above just admited to doing it twice already. Good luck with that.
This is what the FCC has to say about it;
Fraud
Cellular fraud is defined as the unauthorized use, tampering, or manipulation of a cellular phone or service. Cellular industry estimates indicate that carriers lose millions per year to cellular fraud, with the principal cause being subscription fraud. Subscriber fraud occurs when a subscriber signs up for service with fraudulently obtained customer information or false identification.
In the past, cloning of cellular phones was a major concern. A cloned cellular telephone is one that has been reprogrammed to transmit the electronic serial number (ESN) and telephone number (MIN) belonging to another (legitimate) cellular telephone. Unscrupulous persons obtain valid ESN/MIN combinations by illegally monitoring the transmissions from the cellular telephones of legitimate subscribers. Each cellular telephone is supposed to have a unique factory-set ESN. After cloning, however, because both cellular telephones have the same ESN/MIN combination, cellular systems cannot distinguish the cloned cellular telephone from the legitimate one.
The Commission considers any knowing use of cellular telephone with an altered ESN to be a violation of the Communications Act (Section 301) and alteration of the ESN in a cellular telephone to be assisting in such violation. The Wireless Telephone Protection Act (Public Law 105-172) was signed into law on April 24, 1998, expanding the prior law to criminalize the use, possession, manufacture or sale of cloning hardware or software. The cellular equipment manufacturing industry has deployed authentication systems that have proven to be a very effective countermeasure to cloning. Authentication supplements the use of the ESN and MIN with a changing encrypted code that can not be obtained by off-the-air monitoring.
fachadick said:
Yet another thread on getting your evos on boost. Here's the deal for those of you who don't know. The process to get an evo working on boost mobile invloves cloning esn's. And it doesn't matter if it's your own esn or not - the FCC sees this as a federal offense, and nobody on XDA should assist with this in any way. This isn't the same as breaking your contract with sprint - this is a government entity you're going up against. Will they catch you? Who knows, but you've just gone on record as wanting to commit a federal offence in a public forum - and one of the posters above just admited to doing it twice already. Good luck with that.
This is what the FCC has to say about it;
Fraud
Cellular fraud is defined as the unauthorized use, tampering, or manipulation of a cellular phone or service. Cellular industry estimates indicate that carriers lose millions per year to cellular fraud, with the principal cause being subscription fraud. Subscriber fraud occurs when a subscriber signs up for service with fraudulently obtained customer information or false identification.
In the past, cloning of cellular phones was a major concern. A cloned cellular telephone is one that has been reprogrammed to transmit the electronic serial number (ESN) and telephone number (MIN) belonging to another (legitimate) cellular telephone. Unscrupulous persons obtain valid ESN/MIN combinations by illegally monitoring the transmissions from the cellular telephones of legitimate subscribers. Each cellular telephone is supposed to have a unique factory-set ESN. After cloning, however, because both cellular telephones have the same ESN/MIN combination, cellular systems cannot distinguish the cloned cellular telephone from the legitimate one.
The Commission considers any knowing use of cellular telephone with an altered ESN to be a violation of the Communications Act (Section 301) and alteration of the ESN in a cellular telephone to be assisting in such violation. The Wireless Telephone Protection Act (Public Law 105-172) was signed into law on April 24, 1998, expanding the prior law to criminalize the use, possession, manufacture or sale of cloning hardware or software. The cellular equipment manufacturing industry has deployed authentication systems that have proven to be a very effective countermeasure to cloning. Authentication supplements the use of the ESN and MIN with a changing encrypted code that can not be obtained by off-the-air monitoring.
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Not true, you do not need to clone the ESN. All you have to do is call up Boost Mobile, tell them you have a phone u need activated, and hope your ESN is accepted by the network. Sometimes the Boost Rep will notice right away that it is not a Boost phone and deny you. Other times, the reps do not seem to care and try it. There is nothing illegal, why is there so much internet police on this site!?! I currently have the EVO on Sprint, though I have had the TP, TP2 on Boost, without cloning or without taking it to anyone. I simply called like I stated before.
Some phones work, others do not. Once unactivated from Boost, I was able to put the TP2, with a clean ESN, back on the Sprint network.
**I HAVE SEEN THE EVO ON THE BOOST NETWORK, WITHOUT ANY CLONING, "FLASHING", OR TECHWORK DONE TO IT.**
It is not a crime of any sort. You do not break any contracts with Sprint. Simply go buy an EVO outright from Sprint, or Ebay. Then the phone is yours, you can do whatever you want with it. Cloning is illegal, though you do not need to clone it.
BIGDINOG said:
Not true, you do not need to clone the ESN. All you have to do is call up Boost Mobile, tell them you have a phone u need activated, and hope your ESN is accepted by the network. Sometimes the Boost Rep will notice right away that it is not a Boost phone and deny you. Other times, the reps do not seem to care and try it. There is nothing illegal, why is there so much internet police on this site!?! I currently have the EVO on Sprint, though I have had the TP, TP2 on Boost, without cloning or without taking it to anyone. I simply called like I stated before.
Some phones work, others do not. Once unactivated from Boost, I was able to put the TP2, with a clean ESN, back on the Sprint network.
**I HAVE SEEN THE EVO ON THE BOOST NETWORK, WITHOUT ANY CLONING, "FLASHING", OR TECHWORK DONE TO IT.**
It is not a crime of any sort. You do not break any contracts with Sprint. Simply go buy an EVO outright from Sprint, or Ebay. Then the phone is yours, you can do whatever you want with it. Cloning is illegal, though you do not need to clone it.
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If this is true, forgive me, I was mistaken. I was led to believe that the only way to get your evo on boost was to clone the esn - so that Boost thinks you have one of their phones, and your phone comes up in their system as one of their phones, but the esn is that of the evo. I didn't realize that you could just call them up and tell them that you have an evo, and here's the esn, and you would like it activated, and they would do it. Not trying to be police, just trying to preserve the integrity of XDA, and possibly keep some folks from commiting a crime they weren't aware of. And breaking your contract with Sprint isn't illegal at all - I was referring to what the FCC considers cellular fraud - defined by them as "the unauthorized use, tampering, or manipulation of a cellular phone or service" If boost thinks you have one of their samsung seeks (for example), but the esn they have on record for you is that of your evo, it's pretty clear cut.
Edit - if it's just a matter of calling boost though, why do all of the instrustions involve "hacks" either to the phone or Boost's systems?
I was on the Boost network for over 3 years. I only switched to Sprint to get the EVO and because I am on a Employee discount plan.
You can not call up Boost and say, I have an EVO here is my ESN. I guess that might be unethical, but thats debateable. You simple do not tell them what kind of phone it is. Once you have established service with Boost, with one of their own phones. A person might call up, tell the Boost CR that their old phone broke, and that they acquired a replacement phone. Simply tell then the ESN number, they will type it in, some CRs will notice its a Sprint phone and send you on your way without adding it, others will not and they will add it. Some phones will work, others will not, I do not know why.
As to why the hacking and such, I think there are people out there looking to make a buck. Some people will pay anywhere between 50-100 to get this done. I did it myself by simply calling. My phone was never cloned, nor did the ESN go bad. Like I said, I was able to put my TP2 back to Sprint when I switched back. I originally bought the TP2 off ebay with a clean ESN.
* About the hack or Boost systems, well I would guess, there might be a few rogue Boost CRs who do this on the side for a fee. Therefore, implying there are hacks that need to be done in order to charge.
BIGDINOG said:
I was on the Boost network for over 3 years. I only switched to Sprint to get the EVO and because I am on a Employee discount plan.
You can not call up Boost and say, I have an EVO here is my ESN. I guess that might be unethical, but thats debateable. You simple do not tell them what kind of phone it is. Once you have established service with Boost, with one of their own phones. A person might call up, tell the Boost CR that their old phone broke, and that they acquired a replacement phone. Simply tell then the ESN number, they will type it in, some CRs will notice its a Sprint phone and send you on your way without adding it, others will not and they will add it. Some phones will work, others will not, I do not know why.
As to why the hacking and such, I think there are people out there looking to make a buck. Some people will pay anywhere between 50-100 to get this done. I did it myself by simply calling. My phone was never cloned, nor did the ESN go bad. Like I said, I was able to put my TP2 back to Sprint when I switched back. I originally bought the TP2 off ebay with a clean ESN.
* About the hack or Boost systems, well I would guess, there might be a few rogue Boost CRs who do this on the side for a fee. Therefore, implying there are hacks that need to be done in order to charge.
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Thanks for clarifying - if you just called up and gave them your esn and they activated it, that's different then what most people are doing when they try and get their evos on boost. With all of the hacking and tweaking that goes on around here, most people aren't aware that there's a point where hacking and tweaking (and gaming the system) actually breaks laws, and in this case it's a federal crime.
guys i would like to know one thing
if i js called them up and got my esn in their database somehow and what if later they figure out that its not boost phone..?
whats the worst they can do to me ?....can they take legal action against me ?
techspark said:
guys i would like to know one thing
if i js called them up and got my esn in their database somehow and what if later they figure out that its not boost phone..?
whats the worst they can do to me ?....can they take legal action against me ?
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I highly doubt it, and I also doubt they would call the feds. I recall reading a post on Howardforums speculating they would just boot the esn off and close the account, but I don't believe it's happened yet. There's a lot of info over there on HF that will answer many Q's relating to sprint phones on boost.
As stated above, don't tell them what type of phone it is, play dumb and say it's the one w/ a keyboard. Just be polite and take no for an answer. Then try again. The calls are recorded, they can't knowingly activate non-boost phones, but a lot of the sprint past phones' esns are accepted. I'm suprised an Evo's esn was even accepted into the boost system. I believe that sprint silently allows esns from their past phones onto the boost plans to keep ppl from going to one of the many other $40-60 plans out there, I've had two sprint BB's on by calling CS.
Alot of what you guys said is quite true. I am not sure where most of you are located but in my area with certain phones you can just go to your local boost mobile shop and someone there will flash it for you. Especially if its a flea market or something. Now I had a blackberry that I tried to put on Boost and they knew right away since BB ESN for Sprint started differently for BB's for Boost.
Also in reality from what I have read the service difference is only a matter of permissions. You can tweak your cellphones permission to let the tower think you have a higher permission than per say a Boost line. Basically they share towers and a Sprint customer will be in line to use that tower before a Boost customer. I know people with EVo's TP's and BB's on Boost and MetroPCS so hey to each his own.
you can't activate an evo on boost because the ESN's are not allowed, just like they are not allowed on sprint SERO.
you can clone the esn, and that is the only way. sprint seperates their esn's from boost like they do SERO accounts. if you are able to activate an evo over the phone, then the esn is more than likely cloned before you bought the phone to another boost phone.
i have an evo on boost. and no, 4g won't work.
why is this guy even active in this forum for???
jason.scorned said:
I highly doubt it, and I also doubt they would call the feds. I recall reading a post on Howardforums speculating they would just boot the esn off and close the account, but I don't believe it's happened yet. There's a lot of info over there on HF that will answer many Q's relating to sprint phones on boost.
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Thanx...hope whatever u said is 100% correct..and ya checked some threads over HF but couldnt find something very specific to what i was looking for
i take it as its legally fine for now..(anybody with a different viewpoint?)....i would prefer spending 20 bucks more a month rather than tweaking stuff that is not legally accepted
Check your local craigslist, you will probably find one or two EVO on Boost sales... No need to do the dirty work if it's already been done by someone else... Just kidding!!! You do have to clone the EVO and no, boost won't activate an EVO. Also, remember that the law can be interpreted in many ways. You can be the owner of both devices, you bought both devices, but you can't tamper with the serial numbers. So yeah, you need an insider and somehow get the serial number off the EVO on the Boost whitelist, good luck with that...

[$100] Evo on Boost Mobile

I'll pay someone $100 to get my Evo running on Boost Mobile pay as you go plan. I'd need at least calls, web, and GPS fully working. You be able to use a remote desktop connection to access my computer/phone.
Please no more bounty threads. All they do is create chaos and confusion. If you do a little searching, you'll see that someone already posted a solution here yesterday.
First it was the $10 fee, then trying to root 2.2. Now the latest flood of threads deal with "I'll pay someone to do this..."
bludragon742 said:
Please no more bounty threads. All they do is create chaos and confusion. If you do a little searching, you'll see that someone already posted a solution here yesterday.
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As far as I'm aware, no one has posted a solution to using this on Boost Mobile. I've seen for MetroPCS, but not Boost Mobile.
Solution: Go to boost mobile store and ask them yo activate your phone on their network.
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G.
davebu said:
Solution: Go to boost mobile store and ask them yo activate your phone on their network.
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G.
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I wish it was that simple, they won't do it.
There have been three threads posted this week on this very topic. The answer was given in this post.
Emrys_90 said:
As far as I'm aware, no one has posted a solution to using this on Boost Mobile. I've seen for MetroPCS, but not Boost Mobile.
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There have been three threads posted this week on this very topic. The answer was given in this post.
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That's not a valid method, for one it has not been tested for the Evo. The other reason it's not valid is because it tells you to sign up at the Sprint website. You do not handle Boost Mobile accounts through Sprint's website.
Found a guy on Craigslist that can make the hero and touch pro 2 work on boost mobile he charges $25 I don't see why would this be so impossible to do.
Sent from 2.2 Evo 4G
ek9manr said:
Found a guy on Craigslist that can make the hero and touch pro 2 work on boost mobile he charges $25 I don't see why would this be so impossible to do.
Sent from 2.2 Evo 4G
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Can you post a link to the ad, please?
Emrys_90 said:
That's not a valid method, for one it has not been tested for the Evo. The other reason it's not valid is because it tells you to sign up at the Sprint website. You do not handle Boost Mobile accounts through Sprint's website.
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You can't say it's an invalid method just because you don't understand how it works. Sprint owns Boost, and because Boost phones use Sprint's network, Sprint has all Boost phone esn's in it's database.
However, with that being said, I've done some more research and it looks like only phones that work on "legacy plans" can be ported to Boost. That means all new phones that require the "Everything Whatever" plans cannot be switched to a "legacy" plan, as all Boost services are considered "legacy" by the Sprint database. This is hard coded into the system and new esn's will automatically be rejected.
It looks like the only way to get your EVO on Boost is by cloning the esn of a Boost CDMA phone. You probably won't get much help here for that because it's illegal.
CL add link in atlanta
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/mob/2062427507.html
Here are people that can do it for you i still want a way to do it myself though.
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Here are people that can do it for you i still want a way to do it myself though.
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Way to bring a thread that's been dead for three months back to life, so I'll just leave this here in hopes that we won't see anymore of these "help me get my evo working on boost mobile" threads.
The process to get an evo working on boost mobile invloves cloning esn's. And it doesn't matter if it's your own esn or not - the FCC sees this as a federal offense, and nobody on XDA should assist with this in any way.
This is what the FCC has to say about it;
Fraud
Cellular fraud is defined as the unauthorized use, tampering, or manipulation of a cellular phone or service. Cellular industry estimates indicate that carriers lose millions per year to cellular fraud, with the principal cause being subscription fraud. Subscriber fraud occurs when a subscriber signs up for service with fraudulently obtained customer information or false identification.
In the past, cloning of cellular phones was a major concern. A cloned cellular telephone is one that has been reprogrammed to transmit the electronic serial number (ESN) and telephone number (MIN) belonging to another (legitimate) cellular telephone. Unscrupulous persons obtain valid ESN/MIN combinations by illegally monitoring the transmissions from the cellular telephones of legitimate subscribers. Each cellular telephone is supposed to have a unique factory-set ESN. After cloning, however, because both cellular telephones have the same ESN/MIN combination, cellular systems cannot distinguish the cloned cellular telephone from the legitimate one.
The Commission considers any knowing use of cellular telephone with an altered ESN to be a violation of the Communications Act (Section 301) and alteration of the ESN in a cellular telephone to be assisting in such violation. The Wireless Telephone Protection Act (Public Law 105-172) was signed into law on April 24, 1998, expanding the prior law to criminalize the use, possession, manufacture or sale of cloning hardware or software. The cellular equipment manufacturing industry has deployed authentication systems that have proven to be a very effective countermeasure to cloning. Authentication supplements the use of the ESN and MIN with a changing encrypted code that can not be obtained by off-the-air monitoring.
^ +1
Even though you OWN both phones (donor and EVO) you are still breaking the law cloning. I would just take the EVO to Cricket or MetroPCS which allows the device without braking the law...

T-Mobile Purchased by..... ATT

Edit: 05/01/11: Visit http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/hotdocket/list and let the FCC know about your opinions in regards to this.
Edit 03/20/11: http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/articles/more-information-att-acquires-tmobile
AT&T to Acquire T-Mobile USA from Deutsche Telekom
Provides Fast, Efficient and Certain Solution to Impending Spectrum Exhaust Challenges Facing AT&T and T-Mobile USA in Key Markets Due to Explosive Demand for Mobile Broadband
Enhances Network Capacity, Output and Quality in Near Term for Both Companies' Customers
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DALLAS & BONN, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)--AT&T Inc. (NYSE: T) and Deutsche Telekom AG (FWB: DTE) today announced that they have entered into a definitive agreement under which AT&T will acquire T-Mobile USA from Deutsche Telekom in a cash-and-stock transaction currently valued at approximately $39 billion. The agreement has been approved by the Boards of Directors of both companies.
"This transaction represents a major commitment to strengthen and expand critical infrastructure for our nation's future."
AT&T's acquisition of T-Mobile USA provides an optimal combination of network assets to add capacity sooner than any alternative, and it provides an opportunity to improve network quality in the near term for both companies' customers. In addition, it provides a fast, efficient and certain solution to the impending exhaustion of wireless spectrum in some markets, which limits both companies' ability to meet the ongoing explosive demand for mobile broadband.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/20/atandt-agrees-to-buy-t-mobile-from-deutsche-telekom/
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/03/breaking-att-acquires-t-mobile-from-deutsche-telekom/
WHAT THE..?
So much for t-mobiles awesome data plans. Goodbye Unlimited.
what are the chances that current Tmo's users will have their ETF waived? I will not stand for 2gb a month, that is absolutely crap
This is horrible!!!!!!!!!
Bye Bye unlimited data!!!! UGHGHGHGH
Bye bye unlimited, Hello Big Red? ahhh CDMA
AT&T Inc. (T: News ) said it has agreed to acquire T-Mobile USA from Deutsche Telekom AG in a cash-and-stock transaction currently valued at about $39 billion. The transaction is expected to close in about 12 months, subject to regulatory approvals, a reverse breakup fee in certain circumstances, and other customary regulatory and other closing conditions.
Hopefully this gets disapproved?
DO NOT WANT.
Sent from my bathroom, with toilet paper.
........ This sucks..
Going to sprint once it changes over
Google and Sprint, sitting in a tree...N-E-X-U-S-4G! I cant imagine why Google would transfer to AT&T as there carrier of choice.
I love T-Mobiles unlimited data and tethering
I also loved the no contract plan I am on, but it is time to move on. I think I'll switch to Sprint: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/20/atandt-agrees-to-buy-t-mobile-from-deutsche-telekom/
I already started a thread about this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000945
So you think we wont really see changes till next year then? Like in plans etc
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Jrbourque said:
So you think we wont really see changes till next year then? Like in plans etc
Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk
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We won't.. it has to go through approval through regulations. I'm hoping it won't be passed/approved.
We should totally start a petition or twitter trend topic on this and voice our opinions on AT&T buying out T-Mobile USA.
Ahh crapola! Makes more sense I guess - than Sprint buying Tmobile (due to the HSPA+), but if this means losing my "unlimited" everything - then, hello Sprint!
I am really worried about the future of the nexus line ...i guess it will go back to only available unsubsidized...ATT hates the android hacking community so I can't see them playing ball on the nexus
i am going to miss being able to afford my phone bill
I must be the only person who thinks this is good news... T-Mobile's data coverage in SLC is so spotty it's almost useless.
Will miss tmobile. . . Hello sprint. . . Wondering how quickly I can move my lines.
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Guess once this goes through my next phone will be a Sprint Nexus. I won't do a 2GB data cap. This really sucks!!
newspeak said:
I am really worried about the future of the nexus line ...i guess it will go back to only available unsubsidized...ATT hates the android hacking community so I can't see them playing ball on the nexus
i am going to miss being able to afford my phone bill
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Yeah, it sucks that T-Mobile USA is being sold away because without a doubt it's the only carrier that really supports Android development. It has always encouraged it.
Like I said in a previous post:
We should totally start a petition or twitter trend topic on this and voice our opinions on AT&T buying out T-Mobile USA.
-- We should voice our opinions and do everything in our power to prevent this from happening. I don't use twitter, so yeah. If you want to start it up, I'll edit OP.
zephiK said:
I already started a thread about this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000945
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Did not see that until after i posted this one in a mix of rage and sorrow.
Mods, please delete this thread, it is just duplicate content
We need to get a petition going to stop this, and maybe even a second one to try to push Google to buy T-Mobile (If they are bent on selling and it was not just a too good to be true offer from AT&T)

Ting.com - New Mobile Phone Service In the USA

So the guys at tucows.com has chosen to setup what looks like a very smart idea for mobile phone service. No strings attached, simple, and fair.
They use Sprint's network, but offer so very attractive prices...
Have you guys heard of them? Any of you use them?
... I myself, would look to moving over to them if I could bring my own phone. They currently do not support it however...
Take a look, what do you guys think about this?
www.ting.com
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Like most affordable MVNOs, it uses Sprint's network. Which means it will be utter crap in the East Bay.
I just read that they will even pay the early termination charges as well, does anyone use this service? how has your experience been?
I am very interested in this service as well.
Where did this thread get moved to?
Looks like the moderator move it some where?
Thx...
Sent from my PC36100 using xda premium
Sprints network is overloaded as is but they keep pimping it out. I left because of the 96kb download speeds
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
Ting experience
Ting works well and very inexpensively for me. For voice, it includes CDMA roaming, which can be quite useful in my rural area where Verizon has better coverage. For data, there's no roaming, and only 3G available here, but it's not overloaded, here or in my travels. Clearwire Wimax is included on the higher-end phones, for the cities where that's available.
They have a current contest to win payment of cancellation fees elsewhere, but they don't cover them generally.

Sprint allows MVNO's to activate Sprint phones!

Sprint Newsroom ([URL]http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=2525[/URL]) said:
... As the opportunity to reuse or recycle idle mobile devices in the United States continues to grow, Sprint (NYSE:S) Emerging Solutions & Global Wholesale today introduced the Bring Your Own Sprint Device (BYOSD) program.
BYOSD is intended to help Mobile Virtual Network Operators (MVNOs) address the growing number of inactive devices in the marketplace and offset the phone subsidy burden through the reactivation of used and inactive Sprint-branded devices on qualified MVNO price plans.
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So does this mean the days of flashing and illegal MEID stuff are over?
Thread's already been started. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2177462

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