looks like android ships officially now.. and given that, i wonder why not much is making Pseudo-Android apps for WM.. there are some bits of android that will be a nice addition to our WM phones to make it a bit more user friendly..
this is also posted on another thread, but i think it's hi-jacking so i made a new thread discussing it
what i like to see now is some Android inspired apps.. i'm quite sick now of pseudo-iPhone apps (well, excluding A_Cs S2 lineup that is and other great apps)..
so, how about an application such like the Android drop down notifications.. it'll totally replace the bubble notification icon when you have more than 1 notification.. and it's easier to access than pressing that darn icon on the topbar..
it's pretty handy, if you ask me.. i hope someone develops something like that..
here's a video demo of what i am talking about..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-YcGNyJds
anyone who have seen other interesting bits of android, and want that bit into our WM phones, please post here..
luckily, a good developer might see this and create one for us..
Hi Guys,
I hope everyone is well. I am new owner of an Xperia, and even more novice and realm of modding it.
This site is an immense resource and is probably a strong reason why people started loving their Xperias, despite the shortcomings. Anyway, excuse my ignorance, but I ran into this while being on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36YtZHXGCjA
My questions are:
1. Does anyone know what this is and how is this possible?
2. Has anyone tried using it or has access to whatever this entails?
Again, excuse my ignorance, should that be the case . Thank you for reading!
Fragger.
this looks like one of those chinese knock-offs. as far as i know, there isn't anything out yet for our real xperias that mimics an iphone's os
Ye don't bother it's a cheap knock off...I did a little research on them, they sell them on eBay shipped mainly from Asia. They don't have a slide out keyboard like the real X1.
They also do exactly the same ones in an iPhone shell. This guy does a pretty comical review of it, it uses the same operating system as the one from the video you posted by the looks of things. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B2tVE7qRLwk&feature=channel_page
Stay clear I'd say!!!
well ... this one HAD a slideout keyboard.
people uptop dont know
its called iFonz i don't have it on my xperia but its an app that replicates the iphone ui
makes sense ^^
i knew that tool but never ever installed it nor watched a video about it. if i want an iphone ... i'd bought one
ahh I didnt watch the whole video but I've seen those fake X1s on ebay before.
It's a real Xperia in the video running S2U2 and iFonz.
ProFragger said:
Hi Guys,
I hope everyone is well. I am new owner of an Xperia, and even more novice and realm of modding it.
This site is an immense resource and is probably a strong reason why people started loving their Xperias, despite the shortcomings. Anyway, excuse my ignorance, but I ran into this while being on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36YtZHXGCjA
My questions are:
1. Does anyone know what this is and how is this possible?
2. Has anyone tried using it or has access to whatever this entails?
Again, excuse my ignorance, should that be the case . Thank you for reading!
Fragger.
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What you are looking for is iFonz, as others have already mentioned. For some screens and info on it, visit my blog at: http://xperiancer.blogspot.com/2009/01/ifonz-iphone-for-windows-mobile.html
Just that too bad no one's made a panel to launch iFonz yet.
That would be cool, a Panel... but since iFonz is not add-on or replacement of the Today screen but rather comes on top of it... i don't mind using it as is either.
Does Ifonz run? I thought it had no wvga support
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Does Ifonz run? I thought it had no wvga support
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It sure does... http://xperiancer.blogspot.com/2009/01/ifonz-iphone-for-windows-mobile.html
Not WVGA support from the developers, yeah (as you can see from the bottom bar in landscape a little shy of the total width)... but it runs perfectly none-the-less.
so ...
here is my story ..
few months ago ..
i wanted to have HTC legend .. ( and i wish i did get it )
but somehow nokia's N8 showed up with 12 MP camera and Xenon flash and metal body and free GPS and HDMI and usb OTG and such a great surrounded sound technology ...FM transmitter ... these things are pretty much everything i need ..
now these things above ..
is really ... really usable for me ..
am so greatfull to have this phone ..
but there is 1 issue ...
it's using ... Symbian^3 OS
am pretty much crashed about android ..
i really wish that i've android 2.2 or at least 2.1 on my phone !
now is it possible ???
is there is anyone in the world that can make my dream come true by having fully functioned Android on my nokia 8 with the camera and the other things working very well ???
please some one help me am crashing to bad on android ...
and having it on my N8 will be like a dream phone for me ..
please make it real !!
or tell me where i can find someone who's capable of making it come true !
I'd say be ready to donate a LOT.
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what should i donate for ??
All of the time and sanity someone would have to use to make this possible. It would be pretty awesome though.
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Possible in theory, not in reality.
If you really want an android device, perhaps you can only buy one.
Someone would have to hack the boot loader on the N8, Get it stable enough so that it could flash custom roms, Then re-write all the drivers so that they work on Android & then flash Android OS onto the device.
Not saying its not possable but that's a LOT of work for one person to undertake.
Maybe better off selling your N8 & using the funds to buy an Android phone?
Sent from my Desire Z on Stock 2.2 (No Sense)
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Possible in theory, not in reality.
If you really want an android device, perhaps you can only buy one.
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if you read my topic .. i didn't ask for android device .. i asked for android system on my device casue i like the camera and hardware
your response is so not helpfull
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Someone would have to hack the boot loader on the N8, Get it stable enough so that it could flash custom roms, Then re-write all the drivers so that they work on Android & then flash Android OS onto the device.
Not saying its not possable but that's a LOT of work for one person to undertake.
Maybe better off selling your N8 & using the funds to buy an Android phone?
Sent from my Desire Z on Stock 2.2 (No Sense)
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thanks for your response but ...
i want my device ..
i like how strong is the hardware and i love the camera and the HDMI and such things !
as you said it's to much work for one person ..
where can i find a ... team ..
that is ready to make this come true ???
At this point I dont think you wouldn't be able to get a team OR maybe you could try recruiting one on your own (if you are not planning to do the work mentioned above on your own that is).
If not you could concetrate on the first step i.e. hacking the bootloader and then post here? Guess you would have more chances of getting others interest then.
Yeah really would be nice, but unless you find someone willing, and donate alot... not gonna happen in the near future.
Pretty sure you could find an Android phone with most or all of those features. Pay $20 for a metal case
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At this point I dont think you wouldn't be able to get a team OR maybe you could try recruiting one on your own (if you are not planning to do the work mentioned above on your own that is).
If not you could concetrate on the first step i.e. hacking the bootloader and then post here? Guess you would have more chances of getting others interest then.
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thanks but ... am not even a developer ..
i came to you guys to ask for help ...
isn't there good people around here ???
and actually team hyperX made a hack to reach system folders ..
so will the boadloader be hard to hack ???
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Yeah really would be nice, but unless you find someone willing, and donate alot... not gonna happen in the near future.
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am just looking around for help !
i mean ..
one of you guys made it real and hosted 2.3 android on galaxy S almost functioned and ready to be used i thought that what you guys do around here
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Pretty sure you could find an Android phone with most or all of those features. Pay $20 for a metal case
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still .. the phone is not as srong as this phone with a metal case .. i've dropped it about 3 times now from 1.5 - 2 meters and not even a scratch ..
and the 12 MP camera ... which android phone have that ??
and HDMI ?? Xenon flash ?? AV out ?
surrounded dobly ??
where can i find an android phones with these stats ??
please guys am ..
am just asking for N8 i just want my dream phone as hardware and my favorite OS as software combining to make the best phone ever !
can anyone of you make it real ?? please
It's not going to happen.
Also the Galaxy S already had Android running so the drivers were there, they just needed to be slightly modified for 2.3.
As for the N8, it's never had Android so it pretty much means working with stock Android and reverse engineering everything to work which summarised like that is over-simplified...
It's just not worth the work.
If you want a phone the way you want it, check this out:
http://synapse-phones.com/
Cenarius44 said:
thanks but ... am not even a developer ..
i came to you guys to ask for help ...
isn't there good people around here ???
and actually team hyperX made a hack to reach system folders ..
so will the boadloader be hard to hack ???
am just looking around for help !
i mean ..
one of you guys made it real and hosted 2.3 android on galaxy S almost functioned and ready to be used i thought that what you guys do around here
still .. the phone is not as srong as this phone with a metal case .. i've dropped it about 3 times now from 1.5 - 2 meters and not even a scratch ..
and the 12 MP camera ... which android phone have that ??
and HDMI ?? Xenon flash ?? AV out ?
surrounded dobly ??
where can i find an android phones with these stats ??
please guys am ..
am just asking for N8 i just want my dream phone as hardware and my favorite OS as software combining to make the best phone ever !
can anyone of you make it real ?? please
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No one is going to take on a project like this. It would be a boat load of work and there's no demand for it.
As for the specs: HMDI, there are Android phones w/ HDMI (EVO for example).
12MP camera and Xenon flash? Are you serious? If you really NEED that kind of firepower maybe you should get a real camera b/c there's no way any amateur needs those specs and no real photographer is going to rely on his CELL PHONE to take pix.
AV out - for audio you can use the headphone jack. For video, seriously, you don't have something better to watch videos on that you need to output from your phone to a TV?
Dolby Surround? Are you effin' kidding me? This doesn't even warrant a response.
These are ridiculous, over-spec'd TOYS! And I'm sure if you poll the majority of the people on this forum you'd see that it's something that's "cool to have" but they would be underutilized. It's fluff to get people to buy their Symbian crap and apparently it worked... And now you're wishing for an Android "system, not phone."
Maybe I'm coming off as rude here but seriously, your Nokia sounded like an impulse buy - you saw the specs and you bought your brick.
Sell it, get an Android phone.
In addition, many people here, including myself, are running custom ROMs and some can't even utilize all of their phones features (HDMI, 4G, etc.) and are perfectly happy with it...
I know how you feel about wanting specific hardware with specific software/firmware (I've been in those situations) but these are massive projects that no one is going to attempt. And if someone does, they're a better man than I...
I'm assuming you're not in the US b/c no one here would force a relic like Nokia/Symbian upon you.. A phone and OS past their prime and I don't get the hype it gets overseas..
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typeadam said:
No one is going to take on a project like this. It would be a boat load of work and there's no demand for it.
As for the specs: HMDI, there are Android phones w/ HDMI (EVO for example).
12MP camera and Xenon flash? Are you serious? If you really NEED that kind of firepower maybe you should get a real camera b/c there's no way any amateur needs those specs and no real photographer is going to rely on his CELL PHONE to take pix.
AV out - for audio you can use the headphone jack. For video, seriously, you don't have something better to watch videos on that you need to output from your phone to a TV?
Dolby Surround? Are you effin' kidding me? This doesn't even warrant a response.
These are ridiculous, over-spec'd TOYS! And I'm sure if you poll the majority of the people on this forum you'd see that it's something that's "cool to have" but they would be underutilized. It's fluff to get people to buy their Symbian crap and apparently it worked... And now you're wishing for an Android "system, not phone."
Maybe I'm coming off as rude here but seriously, your Nokia sounded like an impulse buy - you saw the specs and you bought your brick.
Sell it, get an Android phone.
In addition, many people here, including myself, are running custom ROMs and some can't even utilize all of their phones features (HDMI, 4G, etc.) and are perfectly happy with it...
I know how you feel about wanting specific hardware with specific software/firmware (I've been in those situations) but these are massive projects that no one is going to attempt. And if someone does, they're a better man than I...
I'm assuming you're not in the US b/c no one here would force a relic like Nokia/Symbian upon you.. A phone and OS past their prime and I don't get the hype it gets overseas..
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first of all ... am not a photographer ..
i love taking photos .. a lot !
2nd ..
am talking about Dolby Surround while recording a video ..
3rd yes i am serious and these things are what i use a lot in my daily life and why don't have them in small handset ???
why do i get camera + HDMI device + phone ???
why they all can't be 1 device ..
now common dude ..
i can't change my phone cause i all ready used it for like a month and the price went down almost 100$ ... am not some kind of wealthy assholes ...
i can't afford selling it and buy android ..
now
all i asked for is .. can anyone make this possible ???
you can simply answer me with No you don't have to make me feel guilty about my choice ..
thanks anyway
now **** my life some mod close this please ..
no one is trying to help ..
they all blaming me for getting a nokia phone now common i am an android fan if nokia fails with the software that's not my freaking fault you don't blame me guys i love the hardware and i thought you may be able to make the software ...
all i got is freaking sell your phone ...
dammit people !
i'll have to leave with the freaking fool's symbian ...
thanks for every single response anyway ...
someone delete or close this topic !
Cenarius44 said:
first of all ... am not a photographer ..
i love taking photos .. a lot !
2nd ..
am talking about Dolby Surround while recording a video ..
3rd yes i am serious and these things are what i use a lot in my daily life and why don't have them in small handset ???
why do i get camera + HDMI device + phone ???
why they all can't be 1 device ..
now common dude ..
i can't change my phone cause i all ready used it for like a month and the price went down almost 100$ ... am not some kind of wealthy assholes ...
i can't afford selling it and buy android ..
now
all i asked for is .. can anyone make this possible ???
you can simply answer me with No you don't have to make me feel guilty about my choice ..
thanks anyway
now **** my life some mod close this please ..
no one is trying to help ..
they all blaming me for getting a nokia phone now common i am an android fan if nokia fails with the software that's not my freaking fault you don't blame me guys i love the hardware and i thought you may be able to make the software ...
all i got is freaking sell your phone ...
dammit people !
i'll have to leave with the freaking fool's symbian ...
thanks for every single response anyway ...
someone delete or close this topic !
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First of all, don't say "**** my life" - there's a lot more to life than cell phones and I only know that all too well...
Second, don't get angry at me. I'm nobody to you. Just ignore me and my comments, this is only an internet forum. Take advice with a grain of salt because most likely no one here can help you unfortunately, so they'll just offer up opinions.
Wasn't trying to make you feel guilty, my apologies. But what you're asking for is extremely unlikely and difficult. AND from your OP it does sound like it was an impulse buy BECAUSE the Nokia had a lot of "features" AND you just called Symbian a "fool's Symbian" so you knew what you were getting into.
I'm sorry but there's a lot of people who buy with their hearts, not with their heads and it bites them in the ass.
Had you done proper research (and maybe you did, I don't know) but I think you would have ended up w/ an Android.
Almost 2 years ago I was moments away from buying an iPhone but I decided to give Android a chance because I did A LOT of reading and research about it and I was convinced that in the long run it would prove more valuable to me than an iPhone. Now almost 2 years later, I'm so glad I did all that reading and research b/c I would never buy an iPhone now! Just a comparison...
And as for the hardware of that Nokia, I'm still not convinced all that stuff is necessary. I have HDMI - never used it. I have 4G - never used it even though it's available here in New York City. I have an 8MP camera - most I ever use (and rarely) is 5MP b/c 8MP is needlessly huge.
Sell your phone on eBay - I've always had success selling used phones there for good money. And you said it's only 1 month old and a popular, feature-rich model.
Good luck...
I´m not going to enter in the childlish discussion of wether you should get or not an android phone for that. The n8 has its pros and cons against android. It has a great hardware but it has symbian... god knows that if it had android that would be my actual phone... but nokia´s pride made me join the other side
Coming back to what you ask. I don´t see it possible in the near future, but if the n8 had come with maemo or meego instead of symbian probably there would be people working on it.
I would suggest you to go to the NITdroid forum to ask, just google nitdroid. They ported android for the n800 and n900(both nokia maemo devices). I have not checked that forum in a while, maybe they are working on it already, maybe they are not even thinking about it. But if you want to talk to a team that might consither doing it i think that is your best shot.
...oy.... listen mate.... no disrespect but you are the one not getting it.... everyone here is being perfectly reasonable and is actually trying to give you the best advice they can.... I'll try and break things down though....
I can definitely relate when you say that you love a piece of hardware but wish the OS was different...I was in the exact same boat with my Nokia E71... LOVED the phone itself...but Symbian was just horrid.... Here is why people are giving you "mean replies"....
What you are asking for is *technically* possible.... but it is a LOT of work.... As described above you'd have to make a stable bootloader, flash the rom and then re-write all of the drivers.... this takes time, effort and money (it's not unlikely that you'd probably brick a few N8s in the process).... The problem is that right now you are more or less the only one interested in this project.... Other projects like running Android on the iPhone are coming along because there is a huge market of iphone users who would like to play with android on their phone as well as a market of android users who like apple hardware... some of these people are devs who want this to happen bad enough that they are willing to contribute their time. Other people who are not as technically inclined but have a bit of extra cash are contributing by donating to official projects who have showed progress. The key difference between the Android on iPhone and the Android on N8 project is that there is a demand for the iPhone project. If there was a 10 page thread full of people saying "hey listen I'm interested in this".... something might happen.... but even with the iPhone development, its a *slow* process. In a nutshell the people who do have the skill to pull this off are limited, and you are asking them to devote hours and hours of their time into a project they aren't interested in for no monetary or any other type of compensation other than maybe a Thank You.
The reason people were able to port Gingerbread onto the Samsung so quickly is because for starters, the Samsung was already designed to run an Android OS so a lot of the groundwork was already done. The hardware was made to be compatible with (and more or less) function with the stock OS. Devs have already had experience working with both the OS and the device. It's kinda like trying to fit an engine into a car. Is it possible to squeeze a new BMW M3 engine into a Volvo? Sure..... But it's much much easier to squeeze it into lets say an older BMW 3 Series.... especially if the mechanics you are talking to specialize in BMWs...
As for people giving you flack for the features... Most of them do have a point... The HDMI out is a valid feature someone might want for various reasons, but other android phones have this feature as well...same for the FM tuner.... As for the camera, 12MP is great on paper... but here is the thing. 1) Unless you are blowing these images up to poster size, a 5 or 8 mp camera will do just as well.... I have a Nexus One and I love the pics it takes.... megapixels start becoming somewhat irrelevant after a certain point because the increase in pixels doesn't necessarily improve the quality that much. It becomes more of a spec for manufactures to advertise. Things such as lense size and the size of the sensor have a much greater input on the quality of your image (the bigger the lense the more light it lets in, the bigger the size of the CMOS ship the more sensetive the camera is). These are 2 things phones struggle with because of physical limitations... there is only so much you can squeeze into a phone. Would you see a difference between a 12mp DSLR and an 8mp DSLR? of course.... an 8mp phone or a 12mp phone? not so much....
Solid construction is always a winner.... nothing wrong with loving a phone for that... its one of the reasons why I loved my E71....
As for the "dolby" sound.... you run into a similar problem as the camera... its more of a "on paper" thing.... the reality is that the mics that go into these phones are alright for talking, but are nowhere *near* the quality you would get (or need) for a legitimate camera. The mics aren't tuned, and due to the tiny diaphrams you pretty much get no frequency response on the low end. Also if by Dolby you mean the phone records in surround sound... that is a whole other nightmare... you start getting into a phasing issues and what not... if it just means that it's certified by Dolby... it mostly just means that Nokia paid Dolby some change, got them to maybe tweak things a bit but for the most part just bought the rights to slap their logo on the phone... you *might* here marginally better recordings... key words are might and marginally...
As for the flash.... people usually curse and blink repeatedly if my N1s flash decides to go off... most phones today have more than adequet flashes for the cameras they are equipped with.
So to sort of wind this essay up... we're not trying to be assholes.... you asked a question...
can porting Android onto the N8 be done? yes....
is it worth the effort? unless demand skyrockets or you are willing to hire a dev and pay him for his work.... no
Than what are your options? Either do the best you can with Symbian until your contract runs out and/or you can afford a new phone.... or look at your budget, sell the N8 and pick up a droid.
People simply gave you their opinions as to what the best option is (which the overwhelming majority thinks is selling and getting a new phone), and why they believe this would be a good purchase. (ie: why a lot of the "features" on the N8 aren't really "features"). Hope this helped. Good luck. Peace,
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Just my two cents, from a guy who came to Android from Symbian.
Maybe you should have asked for help before you bought the phone. It would have been a lot easier to help you at that point. It's not that people here do not want to help you, but there is not a lot that we can help you with. Answer this, what exactly are you wishing to gain from getting Android on your phone. If its a better UI try SPB Mobile Shell, it definitely made my Symbian 1 (5800 Xpressmusic) phone more bearable. If it's usability, there are many apps to help you out, and the numbers are slowly growing. I really can't see what would make this project worth the effort. Symbian 3 is not a very bad OS, although it's not one of the best.
Also, if you are going to ask for help you have to be open to suggestions and you would definitely have to give more details as to what you want to gain; there is always more than one way to handle problem. We all are trying to help but you have to help us help you, and stop getting upset because we give reasons why it's not possible and/or worth it.
This thread is hilarious.
Dude I was just thinking the same thing
Sent from my HTC Vision using Tapatalk
There doesn't seem to be a thread on XDA Dev for this exciting home phone, so I thought I'd create one. Quite weird actually, the first Android powered home phone and no ones talking about it!
I first caught wind of this just before Christmas 2010 and I thought WOW this looks cool! It does sound cool right?!
When I looked into it I thought it could have a bit better specs, but it's the first one out so I can only guess they are just publically testing the concept. Around November/December last year there were a lot of sites talking about it, but no one really had a hands on review, I though I'd wait till the new year, around January/February time till people have had a good mess around with it, but that time has been and gone, and a quick search on Google reveals no new news on it since early January
I don't actually have one myself but I would really like to get one just to try it out. But for £100 it's a tad to expensive for me at the moment. Its sold at Argos, Homebase used to sell it, but they don't list it on their website anymore.
If anyone has one please speak up!
Here are the quick stats:
-Android 1.6
-256MB internal memory
-SD Card Slot
-2.8" resistive touch screen (320x240)
-Wi-Fi
Argos link (+reviews): http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produ...5|Digital+phones+single+handsets|14418986.htm
Amazon link (+reviews): http://www.amazon.co.uk/Binatone-iH...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1299183948&sr=8-1
Binatone link: http://www.binatonetelecom.com/products/android-products/ihome-phone
From what I gather the Motorola HS1001 is practically the same phone.
There are some videos on youtube of the HS1001 in action.
Now I'm no Android expert but I'm no dunce either, so this question goes out to the real hardcore Android hackers out there:
When you get a brand new device and you want to 'open it up' to get different ROMs on there etc, what the first thing you do?
Do you find out how to get in the bootloader?
Do you hook it up to your PC and run ADB or Fastboot or some other tool?
Or something else altogether?
I'd guess it's easier if its a new HTC device or another well known manafacturer as you would assume it's quite like the HTC devices that have come before it, but what about if it's a new device from a newish manafacturer? Would you see if anyones hacked any devices that company have made before? I'm guessing it's also easier if the company releases the source for their phones version of Android.
Lol, I think the lack of response answers a few of my questions
If there are any devs browsing this topic, I would still like some answers regarding the 'What do you do with a totally new device' questions.
I am looking at getting one of these phones eventually, and it looks like I will be the only one with it, so I'll be doing all the dev work myself from scratch
Thanks for the info.
I never thought an "Android" "housephone" existed!
since im all go for converting the world to Android I would seriously LOVE to own one.
there is one left in the argos near me, but as you rightly stated £100 is a lot of money.
if i do invest in one i will post further information, just dont hold your breath!!
Thanks again.
I bought one of these phones last night and first impressions are pretty good! Its a little slow, but I'm comparing it to my SGS2
Is there anyone else out there with this phone?
Whats the deal with Binatone not releasing the source code like the big phone companies do? I thought it was a requirement of the GPL?
Now the LG g2 is looking VERY nice to me, battery, screen, camera, design, etc everything basically.
Now looking at the gpro thread, not too many developers are working with that phone, i know its sort of a dumb question,but does anyone have any info or idea how development for the g2 is going to be?
Out of the note 3, sony z1 and all the other phones announce, i want this one, but not if developments going to be very minimal.
When looking at a new device. The only development that you can count on is the work your willing to put into it. Some times device get little to none and some come along later as it gets cheaper. If you like it and it does what you want/need it to do. Them get it and be happy. Then if it needs something you can search around and maybe learn to do it.
Wayne Tech Nexus
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When looking at a new device. The only development that you can count on is the work your willing to put into it. Some times device get little to none and some come along later as it gets cheaper. If you like it and it does what you want/need it to do. Them get it and be happy. Then if it needs something you can search around and maybe learn to do it.
Wayne Tech Nexus
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i would love to learn on how to create roms