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I have found the real reason that Samsung was ans is late to updating their phones to the latest or next to latest versions of Android Fryo and 2.3/2.4 Gingerbread.... Its simple Apple has Samsung as a supplier for the Iphone's A4 cpu and its Retina Display (which is probably a version of the Galaxy S screen super-AMOLED. Thus I found this..."Apple is quite annoyed by Samsung's fast rise in a market which it virtually created," James Song, an analyst at Daewoo Securities, said on Friday." This would make perfect sense since Samsung does not want to offend one of its chief customers.
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I really hate apple. Jobs should get an award for single handedly making people technically dumber. Most iphone users can barely navigate itunes let alone a pc. I hope the iphone 5 bombs and sammy outsells it with the galaxy S2. I will never be able to use another handset if it doesnt have a samoled display.
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I don't believe they make their lcd's and its not a super amoled display on the iphone4. This is not the reason sammy is late with updates. The reason they're late is they suck at software(getting better tho) and all the individual carrier crap they have to add in or make provisions for.
FYI; samsung and apple look to be bitter rivals now.
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I really hate apple. Jobs should get an award for single handedly making people technically dumber. Most iphone users can barely navigate itunes let alone a pc. I hope the iphone 5 bombs and sammy outsells it with the galaxy S2. I will never be able to use another handset if it doesnt have a samoled display.
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i am an android lover but one could also say that Jobs was so smart that he made it possible for companies like Samsung and HTC to become bigg sellers in this market that Jobs created. Like the super villains in moves Jobs may have created his own enemies...
I don't think that has anything to do with it.
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samsung makes a lot of parts for a lot of different cell phones and non samsung related products. I do know samsung makes some htc screens, ie. Incredible, evo, ect....
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i am an android lover but one could also say that Jobs was so smart that he made it possible for companies like Samsung and HTC to become bigg sellers in this market that Jobs created. Like the super villains in moves Jobs may have created his own enemies...
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Not true. The main reasons we live in such a smartphone driven world today is blackberry, motorola, and, honestly, windows mobile. The idea that we could have full keyboards (since texting had become so commonplace), keep an array of files with us, and music on our phones intrigued a large portion of consumers. The first true "turning point" in my opinion was when the motorola q was released. It was the first smartphone geared towards the normal consumer and not businessmen.
You have to give motorola credit. While they may suck at a lot of things, they have generally been "pioneers" in that they change consumers minds for them. The razor introduced the idea of ultra slim phones, the Q introduced a phone that's more than a phone, and the Droid made the general (unaware) public aware of the android OS. If anything, apple has been following their lead. Just with better marketing and implementation lol.
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No he didn't. The only reasons apple is where they are is because of the app store and how ridiculously easy it is to use that pos. Apple didn't invent **** or bring anything new to the table. They just released an easy to use phone in a market that was flooded with ****ty winmo phones. Stop spreading that hoopla about jobs and apple "inventing". Its the reason why android is speeding by and apple wont catch up unless they finally revise ios and make it more functional... but at that point they'd be copying off android wouldn't they? There's nothing new under the sun. Its never what you do but how its done.
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It's not Samsung that holds up upgrades. It is U.S. carriers. International Samsung phones get their upgrades months before ours.
Considering Apple is sueing sammy, and sammy is sueing apple, I venture to guess apple is looking to expand its suppliers.
Oh and retina is not amoled, its high density lcd.
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I have found the real reason that Samsung was ans is late to updating their phones to the latest or next to latest versions of Android Fryo and 2.3/2.4 Gingerbread.... Its simple Apple has Samsung as a supplier for the Iphone's A4 cpu and its Retina Display (which is probably a version of the Galaxy S screen super-AMOLED. Thus I found this..."Apple is quite annoyed by Samsung's fast rise in a market which it virtually created," James Song, an analyst at Daewoo Securities, said on Friday." This would make perfect sense since Samsung does not want to offend one of its chief customers.
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This may just be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on XDA... It would be a little less ridiculous if you had your facts straight.
I Hope they both get FK'ed over... honestly Apple has made people retarded.
and Sammy has continually screwed it's customers over with updates...
i Just wish there was a company that cared about its customers instead of profits... But then again that'll never happen.
There are two reasons why Samsung was so late with updates.
1. There was a huge bug in in their bloatware with Froyo that made it difficult to make a non-buggy port.
2. The carriers are the ones who send out our updates; for all we know we could have gotten it months before if it were an international carrier supporting our updates.
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Its because its a new processor and now that they have the basic framework pretty well mapped we should now start seeing updates much sooner once they are released. But then again I could be wrong and be creating another unfounded rumor like op is doing.
Its because Sammy wants to get people to buy their new phones when they come out. The sgs II
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Jobs is just mad he knows the sgs2 will take a massive dump on whatever iphone hes putting together. Oh! I can't have my provider of parts and lcds outsell my phone too!! You know what's really ****ing hilarious?? I bet that jobs uses android. Any real power user considers idevices a joke.
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Jobs is just mad he knows the sgs2 will take a massive dump on whatever iphone hes putting together. Oh! I can't have my provider of parts and lcds outsell my phone too!! You know what's really ****ing hilarious?? I bet that jobs uses android. Any real power user considers idevices a joke.
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Chill dude =P
But yeah, an Iphone is like all the Pop music today. The close-minded people thinks it's the best on Earth, when there's so many things better than it.
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Its because Sammy wants to get people to buy their new phones when they come out. The sgs II
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well read the link to the article. From a business stand point would you want to tick off one of your biggest customers? I think that apple is not the best thing on the face of the earth. They are just good at marketing to a select group of people. I do think that Apple told Samsung to slow the updates and which as a up side would give samsung money from people purchasing more phones off contract from carriers.
ok..first of all as stated..the IPS-LCD in iphone 4 is not made by samsung..its made by LG...also...Samsung does not make Evo screens either...
There is also no one to offend..Apple's strategy revolves around making big checks to companies with latest tech to make shortages for competitors..Samsung on the other hand wont have shortages as they can make their own...
Also, there has been no delay on 2.3/2.4..it came out in standard time on the international Galaxy S..just because google released Gignerbread 4 month ago did not mean it was ready for the public...if you follow trend of Nexus One and Nexus S..it seems like it takes around 4 months for it go rom developer phone to first consumer phone...
And as for Froyo delays...most of it was US carriers fault...
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well read the link to the article. From a business stand point would you want to tick off one of your biggest customers? I think that apple is not the best thing on the face of the earth. They are just good at marketing to a select group of people. I do think that Apple told Samsung to slow the updates and which as a up side would give samsung money from people purchasing more phones off contract from carriers.
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Apple had nothing to do with it. The screen for the iPhone 4 is made by LG, by the way. Samsung has Apple by the balls because they are their second-largest part supplier behind Sony, so no. Samsung and carriers are to blame for neglecting their customer-base. Google has now made a new clause in their manufacturer contracts that says Google has to review any UI customizations a handset maker puts over Android before they will give them early access to their source code. This means no more carrier and manufacturer drag-ass or excuses for grossly neglected software updates to customers. Google will simply make the handset maker's life hell as well as revoke their competitive edge in beating others to the market with the latest version of Android. It's a round-about way of making handset makers like Samsung fall the **** in line and stop screwing around with this "fragmentation" crap.
I've been disgusted by Samsung's lack of support of this phone or any phone they've released in the US. When the galaxy S line came out in the US, I encouraged everyone to buy them because they were such good phones. Well they were good on Eclair when they came out and didn't really fix all the problems in the extremely delayed Froyo release. I still laugh to my self when I remember asking the Sprint salesman when the Epic will get Froyo and he said "by the end of September" (I bought it September 9th). For anyone that uses the "best hardware" bs excuse I don't care. I want my phone to work not to have the "best hardware". The keyboard still doesn't work properly and that's the only reason I bought this stupid phone. Anyway, I was looking at this androidcentral article about fragmentation and I noticed something interesting; Samsung has only updated ONE phone to gingerbread in the US. Just one phone on one carrier, the Droid Charge. The other Samsung phones on gingerbread are the ones that launched with it. I would never in my life buy another Samsung phone but unfortunately the Nexus Prime is made by Samsung so they'll have to get my money again. I'm definitely buying the Prime next month and either smashing this epic piece of s**t to pieces with a hammer or donating it to a developer. Probably the latter since I've been dying to have a fully functional cm7 build for months.
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They are bad... The worst IMO. Its all because of the "UI's they put on. But if the prime comes to sprint i will be buying it. I assume the prime will NOT have touchwiz. But we will see, I at lease hope because it does not have a keyboard it should have CM7 soon.
Samsung is known for its prominent hardware manufacture ability.
If they had deep software capability, they would've not use android to sell their phones.
They're strategy is to own other handset manufacturers with superior hardware qualities like SAMOLED, curved screen, thinness, etc..
After they sell their product to customers, they just do enough support to prevent a riot.
So for the software updates, you can't expect from Samsung. It is waste of money for their view. Just make the next one with Gingerbread or ICS and sell 'em.
Want proof? Search for Omnia 2 that was sold as "iPhone killer" in Korea. It had Winmo 6.5 on it. People had to be stuck with it for two years, and by that time even Microsoft dropped Winmo and got Windows 7. If you search in youtube, you can see people video hitting the Omnia 2 with hammer.
Moral of the story? Don't expect awesome software supports from Samsung.
Get nexus.
They are definitely becoming better. The Omnia thing is a pretty bad example (Samsung didn't say the device was an iPhone killer, it had Windows Mobile on it (an OS by Microsoft which wasn't very elegant and Microsoft didn't bring updates very often, in fact 6.5 was the latest version and Microsoft killed it, what could Samsung have done about it? An update to the completely different WP7 years later was practically impossible and never promised by anyone). Plus, it is an old example, things can change totally in the smartphone world in some months. SGS1 users -especially in the US- had to wait extraordinarily long for Gingerbread but it feels like the whole thing has become better (rather subjective but also visible in terms of the SGS2).
In the end most over the average users didn't know that Gingerbread existed and didn't miss much, the Galaxy S1 was certainly no bad phone, hardware- and softwarewise. And all those Geeks who are longing for every little update and who read and post here in the forums are probably more happy if they just install another ROM.
First off Samsung makes the Nexus. 2nd off Samsung is great with updates....if you don't have a US carrier or Touchwiz. European Galaxy S phones have had Gingerbread for 6 months. Nexus gets very timely updates. To judge a company on 1 out of the thousands of products they make is being very single-minded. All the major US carriers Galaxy S line have not been updated. When we didn't get Froyo for 6 months Sprint blamed Samsung and Samsung blamed Sprint. This phone was the 1st Galaxy S to get Froyo then they took it back and T-mobile got theirs then Sprint. So obviously there are issues when dealing with Touchwiz, FCC hardware restrictions and the carriers. For all we know Sprint is holding onto the OTA because they are having equipment maintenance issues across the country an want to wait until they are fully operational. The 99% of Epic owners are oblivious to what Gingerbread even is so Sprint figures it can wait a few weeks.
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First off Samsung makes the Nexus. 2nd off Samsung is great with updates....if you don't have a US carrier or Touchwiz. European Galaxy S phones have had Gingerbread for 6 months. Nexus gets very timely updates. To judge a company on 1 out of the thousands of products they make is being very single-minded. All the major US carriers Galaxy S line have not been updated. When we didn't get Froyo for 6 months Sprint blamed Samsung and Samsung blamed Sprint. This phone was the 1st Galaxy S to get Froyo then they took it back and T-mobile got theirs then Sprint. So obviously there are issues when dealing with Touchwiz, FCC hardware restrictions and the carriers. For all we know Sprint is holding onto the OTA because they are having equipment maintenance issues across the country an want to wait until they are fully operational. The 99% of Epic owners are oblivious to what Gingerbread even is so Sprint figures it can wait a few weeks.
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All excuses, if other manufacturers like HTC and Motorola can push gingerbread updates in a timely manner then Samsung should be able to as well. I'm not judging them on one product, I'm basing my argument on every phone they released in the US. I know Samsung makes the Nexus S and the Nexus Prime... I clearly stated that in the OP. Clearly you have trouble reading and/or comprehending written statements.
What makes it even more pathetic on their part is that they've had a phone with gingerbread on it with essentially the same hardware as the other galaxy S phones for almost 10 months and still nothing. Just ****ty leaks with tons of things not working. I know the international version has had it for a while and it's been working out well for them but why such a delay with the US market? It's a huge market when it comes to mobile and they've sold millions of handsets here. They clearly could care less about what happens in the US which is why I'm always perplexed when people drool over new Samsung phones. I can't help but laugh when I hear ZOMG EXYNOS DUAL CORE, IT CAN RUN THE INTERNET! Too bad all that processing power won't save you from ****ty programming and no updates.
Okay okay no need to take things personally.
We all are dissatisfied customers.
About Samsung's omnia 2 reference, I am pointing out that Samsung only focuses on delivering phones with high specs on paper. it is quite obvious that Winmo 6.x was crap and having it on the flagship phone at the time is like shooting yourself on the foot. Indeed nobody promised upgrade from winmo 6.x, however it's their arrogance/ignorance that gets me. They are like "we can make phone with better cpu+scree+build quality, so we are better". This approach worked for them 5~10 years ago, but not anymore. At this time of age, I want real quality product that can bring quality experience. That means hardware alone can't cut it.
It's a fact that Samsung does provide quality hardware. However, they certainly are poor at anything software. In fact they don't have any quality software to show because they don't. Touchwiz is not even a standalone OS, its just a skin/theme.
So how do Samsung try to compete with phones like iPhone? Take the idea, slap better cpu/gpu on it and stamping out phones like a crazy factory, with their massive hardware manufacturing capability. How many samsung phones we have now? And how many of them actually beat iPhones?
Galaxy S2 is very close but it is safe to say that none of them are as optimized as iPhone.
I just don't like their business style of just producing phones with highest and newest technology on it but don't care about fine tuning and optimizing the whole system.
Look at Epic 4G. It had so much capability with keyboard, good front facing camera, Wimax 4G, awesome 1ghz hummingbird cpu. But in fact they are all good on paper, but in real life experience, they fail to utilized completely.
What's good if I have the keyboard if it ignores key inputs. What's good to have ffc if like apps such as Skype don't support it (now it does, but man.. after like 10 months of ownership...?). What's good with all the cpu if the OS is not optimized and I have to install custom roms/patches to get the phone to be snappy.
The point is... Samsung can't deliver iphone killer alone.
Buy nexus, because it is combination of samsung's hardware capability with Google's software capability.
A person that takes to insults clearly has nothing intelligent to say.
FYI if you read your own thread I was responding to post 3 that said don't expect awesome updates from Samsung, get Nexus. Now who can't read or comprehend?
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A person that takes to insults clearly has nothing intelligent to say.
FYI if you read your own thread I was responding to post 3 that said don't expect awesome updates from Samsung, get Nexus. Now who can't read or comprehend?
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In case you were unaware nexus phones software updates come from google not the manufacturer.. Be it htc or samsung... So yes if you are unhappy about sammy updating the software a nexus phone is a viable alternative... Do your homework before you insult...
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First off Samsung makes the Nexus. 2nd off Samsung is great with updates....if you don't have a US carrier or Touchwiz. European Galaxy S phones have had Gingerbread for 6 months. Nexus gets very timely updates. To judge a company on 1 out of the thousands of products they make is being very single-minded. All the major US carriers Galaxy S line have not been updated.
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Umm, this is America. We're on American carrier(s). We spend American money on this crap. Most of us ARE in fact American (or at least legal residents I would hope). In fact, after a few more beers I may even argue that supporting a foreign company's actions in this case is treason and punishable by being hanged.
Based on the above paragraph, I think we're well within our rights to judge Samsung on their American product support - which is basically non existent. Of the 3 Samsung phones I've ever owned, the only one worth a **** is the Captivate and that's only because it has fully working CM7. I won't waste anyone's time going into detail on my Epic gripes, and we all know (and probably furiously hate) the Moment.
But to diversify (and/or digress) just for a moment. I've had 2 Samsung DVD players that were complete crap and were returned. They were replaced with LG's that I am pretty impressed with. Also, my Samsung fridge makes me want to bash puppies every time I use the water dispenser.
OK, then why keep supporting them? Stop buying Samsung dude! I was just trying to note that there is more to it then just Samsung not updating the Galaxy S phones in the US. By all the RDFs it certainly isn't for lack of trying. Since the same thing happened on froyo, what really slows it down? Touchwiz? FCC hardware regs? They hate the US because Apple is based here? What really is the hold up? What is the real reason Europe gets it first?
Oh, I will stop supporting them. Epic 4g will be my last phone from Samsung.
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Oh, I will stop supporting them. Epic 4g will be my last phone from Samsung.
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OK. Out of curiosity which manufacturer will you try next? I also am not thrilled with supporting Samsung. I just don't think they are totally at fault. HTC rushes out updates that don't work and some claim make the phones unuseable. So are you thinking LG or Motorola?
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Oh, I will stop supporting them. Epic 4g will be my last phone from Samsung.
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Nexus Prime > all
And Nexus Legendary might be next Oo
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OK, then why keep supporting them? Stop buying Samsung dude! I was just trying to note that there is more to it then just Samsung not updating the Galaxy S phones in the US. By all the RDFs it certainly isn't for lack of trying. Since the same thing happened on froyo, what really slows it down? Touchwiz? FCC hardware regs? They hate the US because Apple is based here? What really is the hold up? What is the real reason Europe gets it first?
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We'll never know what the hold up is... For all we know they killed Jobs too.
And no, I no longer support them. Going back to your earlier point, I try not to judge them based on one product. The DVD players were crap, so they were returned. The fridge worked great for the 1st year or so before I started having problems with it (and if you think their mobile devices tech support is bad, try large appliances!). On the phones, the Moment I thought was a fluke of a bad phone, but it turned into a support nightmare. At least Sprint credited me back on that one. I thought the Epic would be a big improvement. While there was significant improvement on their part, they still suck IMHO.
In the grand scheme of things I own a HUGE amount of high tech devices. The amount of "support" I've shown Samsung with the 6 products I have bought (and 3 I've actually kept) is roughly equal to a pint of piss in the ocean. I won't write off a company based on 1 bad experience - I believe in 3 strikes and you're out and the Epic was #3.
At the end of the day, the only Samsung product I've bought and actually like is the Captivate. Ironically it's the only Samsung device I bought second hand (and behind a liquor store in a shady part of town at that).
While I'm thinking about it. I had a Philips Plasma TV which is now in pieces in my basement. About 95% of it's internals are Samsung manufactured and that thing was a steaming pile of baby ****. I now have 2 Panasonic TV's that I absolutely love.
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OK. Out of curiosity which manufacturer will you try next? I also am not thrilled with supporting Samsung. I just don't think they are totally at fault. HTC rushes out updates that don't work and some claim make the phones unuseable. So are you thinking LG or Motorola?
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Motorola for me. They may not have the fanciest screens but some close and quite technical friends of mine have the Droid 2, Droid X and their kids have Droid 3's. Yes, my SAMOLED's blow the Moto's screen away, but their phones have been quite reliable.
Also, I've been a fan of Motorola for a looooong time. My Nextel's took a brutal beating on a daily basis. I have no idea why my Razr's took all their abuse and survived. The radio's I installed in taxi cabs back in the early to mid 90's were not only rugged as all hell, but fairly high tech for their time in how they handled channel hopping and things. In my decade or so in cable we used TONS (literally tons) of their equipment and it always proved to be reliable. Not to mention the Motorola radio's that went to the battlefields and into space. That company knows how to build a damn fine RF device. I should have never strayed away from them.
Point taken. Funny thing was I bought a Samsung bluetooth headset. The ear hook snapped in half within 90 days and Samsung told me that is not included in the warranty and wanted to sell me a ear hook for $6. I told them to go screw themselves and would never buy another Samsung product. Then the Epic came out...LOL.
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Point taken. Funny thing was I bought a Samsung bluetooth headset. The ear hook snapped in half within 90 days and Samsung told me that is not included in the warranty and wanted to sell me a ear hook for $6. I told them to go screw themselves and would never buy another Samsung product. Then the Epic came out...LOL.
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Figures, the only movable part is not covered? Douchenozzles....
FWIW, I've always been happy with Plantronics devices. I have 2 of their BT earpieces for my mobile phones and use their CS50 series on my Avaya and Cisco endpoints.
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OK. Out of curiosity which manufacturer will you try next? I also am not thrilled with supporting Samsung. I just don't think they are totally at fault. HTC rushes out updates that don't work and some claim make the phones unuseable. So are you thinking LG or Motorola?
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If the google merger goes through, I would go with Motorola.
The thing that pissed me off was it sounded like it happened all the time. Got a package of 3 ear hooks for $6 from ebay instead of giving it to them for 1. But yeah, heard Plantonics makes good bluetooths.
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/19/apple-files-again-for-a-preliminary-ban-against-samsung/
Well..... Good luck with that.
Meanwhile, do you think this will have any effect on our update? Slow it down? Speed it up???
Why not go after the new one?
I hate Apple now.
Apple must have some pretty low self confidence if they are trying to ban their competition instead of trying to do what all the other companies do.. Make a better product.
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Apple must have some pretty low self confidence if they are trying to ban their competition instead of trying to do what all the other companies do.. Make a better product.
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Apple successfully tricked Samsung lawyers in to admitting that they, from their table, could not identify which tablet was which (iPad vs Galaxy Tab). Not only that but their tablet is far outselling ours.
Maybe Samsung needs to make a better product. Just saying.
I think if the iPad is outselling the Galaxy Tab 10.1, then all this is not even necessary. I just hope Samsung doesnt stop working on this tablet. The Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 is out anyways.
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Apple successfully tricked Samsung lawyers in to admitting that they, from their table, could not identify which tablet was which (iPad vs Galaxy Tab). Not only that but their tablet is far outselling ours.
Maybe Samsung needs to make a better product. Just saying.
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If Apple wasn't afraid of Samsung, they wouldn't try to ban them from selling their products. And just because those lawyers work for Samsung, doesn't mean they use their tab, or any tab for that matter. So if they couldn't tell the difference, maybe they're just not tech savvy. To anyone who uses either tab, you can definitely tell the difference. Obviously they are going to look similar, they are both tablets. It's just like Samsung suing magnavox because their tv looks like a tv.. They all look the same. Can't do too much to make a tablet look different, other than change the color.
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I agree, apple stinks. Competition is good for development. Aplle has this self righteous attitude that they created everything. Then the stuff they do produce is not enough to supply the original demand. They think that they are this really cool club and only the lucky selected people can come in. Anyway, the suit is about slide lock, how petty!
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It makes sense. They already lost the phone war. They are trying to win the tablet war. So far the numbers are on their side but if they keep loosing sales it will be the same as with phones. They will be selling tabs to less than 40 percent of the tab buyers...
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It makes sense. They already lost the phone war. They are trying to win the tablet war. So far the numbers are on their side but if they keep loosing sales it will be the same as with phones. They will be selling tabs to less than 40 percent of the tab buyers...
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How have they lost the phone war? The iPhone is the fastest selling handset in the world.
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How have they lost the phone war? The iPhone is the fastest selling handset in the world.
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Maybe he means this:
http://www.sammobile.com/2012/05/16/samsung-leading-the-world-in-phone-sales/
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Panos_dm said:
Maybe he means this:
http://www.sammobile.com/2012/05/16/samsung-leading-the-world-in-phone-sales/
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Ah, yes. People do like to group all of the handsets together to make it seem like Android/Samsung has an edge. Hurray for misleading information!
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How have they lost the phone war? The iPhone is the fastest selling handset in the world.
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XDA is no longer worth my time.
TimOster said:
Better open newspaper. Samsung is the highest selling phone in the world, not Apple. Android is most used OS, not iOS.
I'd say that going to nearly 90% market share to in the high 30's today is loosing the war. But your opinion may vary
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Nope. The iPhone is outselling any handset Samsung is offering. Android has to group all their handsets together to make it seem like it's doing better, when in actuality if you look at this from a manufacturer point of view you start seeing their failures.
And we all know Android numbers are padded with tonnes of lower end crappy android devices.
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Nope. The iPhone is outselling any handset Samsung is offering. Android has to group all their handsets together to make it seem like it's doing better, when in actuality if you look at this from a manufacturer point of view you start seeing their failures.
And we all know Android numbers are padded with tonnes of lower end crappy android devices.
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You do realize there's more than one iPhone, right?
And if you hate Android so much, may I ask why you are on an Android developer forum?
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You do realize there's more than one iPhone, right?
And if you hate Android so much, may I ask why you are on an Android developer forum?
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I hate Android phones, not Android as a whole. I think Android belongs on tablets. My phone should be fast, powerful,and easy to use, with minimal crashing and issues. Hence the iPhone. But a tablet should be more like a PC, which is why I put up with a laggy tablet instead of an iPad.
Anyway, I'm not arguing about the OS itself. Just that the numbers are wrong. Only 1 person makes the iPhone and the iPhone 4S is outselling every other handheld out there. When you bring Android devices together they sell more, because there's like 1000 devices and a lot of them are cheap, low end ones that are appealing to people that want an iPhone, but can't afford one.
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I hate Android phones, not Android as a whole. I think Android belongs on tablets. My phone should be fast, powerful,and easy to use, with minimal crashing and issues. Hence the iPhone. But a tablet should be more like a PC, which is why I put up with a laggy tablet instead of an iPad.
Anyway, I'm not arguing about the OS itself. Just that the numbers are wrong. Only 1 person makes the iPhone and the iPhone 4S is outselling every other handheld out there. When you bring Android devices together they sell more, because there's like 1000 devices and a lot of them are cheap, low end ones that are appealing to people that want an iPhone, but can't afford one.
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I think you've seen the wrong Android phones. I own the galaxy s2 and have never had a single glitch, force close, nothing. I actually have a friend with the iPhone 4 who is always talking about how he wants my phone. It's all personal preference. And no, they're not comparing all Android phone sales to Apple. Samsung as a company has sold far more Android phones than Apple has iPhones.
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I hate Android phones, not Android as a whole. I think Android belongs on tablets. My phone should be fast, powerful,and easy to use, with minimal crashing and issues. Hence the iPhone. But a tablet should be more like a PC, which is why I put up with a laggy tablet instead of an iPad.
Anyway, I'm not arguing about the OS itself. Just that the numbers are wrong. Only 1 person makes the iPhone and the iPhone 4S is outselling every other handheld out there. When you bring Android devices together they sell more, because there's like 1000 devices and a lot of them are cheap, low end ones that are appealing to people that want an iPhone, but can't afford one.
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You're right, the 4s is outselling every other handset. Toyota (as a whole) is also outselling the Honda Civic (see what I did there). Your logic is nonsense, but if it makes you feel better about your phone then tell believe what you'd like.
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I think you've seen the wrong Android phones. I own the galaxy s2 and have never had a single glitch, force close, nothing. I actually have a friend with the iPhone 4 who is always talking about how he wants my phone. It's all personal preference. And no, they're not comparing all Android phone sales to Apple. Samsung as a company has sold far more Android phones than Apple has iPhones.
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I sell Android devices at work all the time instead of iPhones. Because we have an extra incentive on the high end Android devices. Galaxy S 2, Galaxy S 2 HD, Galaxy Note, HTC Raider/Evo, the new LG Optimus. And all I can see is crashes, laggy UI (even in ICS) and fragmentation issues. I don't want to wait months for an official update like we are with our Galaxy Tabs. Sure I could and have put on a custom ROM, but things are missing, not working, etc. Point being I prefer the speed and power of an iPhone and it's reliable updates. Nothing against Android. I just don't see it as a good phone OS yet.
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You're right, the 4s is outselling every other handset. Toyota (as a whole) is also outselling the Honda Civic (see what I did there). Your logic is nonsense, but if it makes you feel better about your phone then tell believe what you'd like.
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Nope. My logic is spot on. No other handset can beat it's sales numbers 1 on 1. I could care less about OS share.
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I sell Android devices at work all the time instead of iPhones. Because we have an extra incentive on the high end Android devices. Galaxy S 2, Galaxy S 2 HD, Galaxy Note, HTC Raider/Evo, the new LG Optimus. And all I can see is crashes, laggy UI (even in ICS) and fragmentation issues. I don't want to wait months for an official update like we are with our Galaxy Tabs. Sure I could and have put on a custom ROM, but things are missing, not working, etc. Point being I prefer the speed and power of an iPhone and it's reliable updates. Nothing against Android. I just don't see it as a good phone OS yet.
Nope. My logic is spot on. No other handset can beat it's sales numbers 1 on 1. I could care less about OS share.
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Well; of course it will. On one side you have the Iphone, by itself and singling out 1 Android device which competes against countless other Android devices & the iPhone. Not quite a fair comparison.
You might find this video interesting.
http://youtu.be/NMiY1kSTHZw
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Well; of course it will. On one side you have the Iphone, by itself and singling out 1 Android device which competes against countless other Android devices & the iPhone. Not quite a fair comparison.
You might find this video interesting.
http://youtu.be/NMiY1kSTHZw
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Why should we not compare them 1 on 1 for sales? iPhone 4S vs Galaxy S 2. iPhone sold more. iPhone 4S vs any other handset? iPhone hassold more. I don't get why everyone thinks it's such an accomplishment that Android has a bigger overall OS share. Low end devices that have bad life cycles and never get updated isn't my idea of how a phone or tablet should be. Hopefully we can get an Android developer who's on the ball with these things, making updates available quickly.
If you want a Sg3 better pick one up now ;]
”However, the jury found that several Samsung products illegally used such Apple creations as the "bounce-back" feature when a user scrolls to an end image, and the ability to zoom text with a tap of a finger.
Apple lawyer plans to formally demand Samsung pull its most popular mobile phones and computer tablets from the US market. They also can ask the judge to triple the damages to $3 billion. ”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/samsung-ordered-to-pay-apple-1bn-8080950.html
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You think this means anything? Samsung will appeal this decision to prevent Apple from getting any sort of monetary compensation whatsoever. This is only the beginning..
I think the jury are apple fan boys... lol
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All this means is that Apple will have to start paying a lot more for Samsung components.
Sorry Apple fanbois, your device is actually largely made in Samsung factories. (somewhere around 25% of the components in the iPhone4 iirc) Watch for your coming price hike (on top of the already overpriced cost for the iPhone of course), if or when Samsung are forced to pay anything to Apple.
Meanwhile all Samsung have to do is drop 30% off their own prices and open up direct-to-public sales. I have no interest in the S3, but I might import an S4 down the line from a country that has the sense to tell Apple where to get to.
I can promise the world this however - I will NEVER now purchase an Apple product. I was tempted, once or twice, in the past, but not now. Not ever.
I would not purchase any Apple products either. The company has its moral compass all wrong. Stifling competition this way just goes to show how desperate it has become.
i think that from now on samsung need to do something new for his phones! maybe a new style and a new UI
The i9100 has been ruled out this trial, and I am assuming the S3 has too.
But yeah like the others said, it means nothing really, and Samsung will sure as hell appeal it.
I'm pretty sure every Samsung fan/iowner already knows this news anyway, I don't see the need for a thread???
Seems like the jury was filled with iTards.
Lol. seriously this whole patent wars has got to stop...
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I'm pretty sure every Samsung fan/iowner already knows this news anyway, I don't see the need for a thread???
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There's a discussion on this very topic going on in the cm10 thread right now. We've all read about it but it doesn't mean we can't talk about it. I don't know about every else here but all my friends don't care about this stuff and all use iphones, so if not here then there is nowhere to talk .
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Instead of pinch to zoom Sammy should have used any other gestures like swirl clockwise to zoom/ anti clockwise to zoom out.
There's already a thread in this section discussing this decision
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1852193
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I just picked up my Nexus 4 last week, and really like it. Rooted with Xylon 4.2.2 ROM, and Matrix kernel v7.0, I am averaging around 16 hours or so total battery life, and like 5 hours On Screen time every day, the past three days since on this combo.
I post on a lot of different tech forums, everyone telling me I am crazy for buying the Nexus 4, should have gotten the Note 2 #1 ( Actually which I had, and returned it two weeks later, great phone, amazing battery life, but 5.5" screen, is just too large for my every day phone ) For that same price, I also picked up a Nexus 7 tablet, and the Nexus 4, same price as my Note 2 out of contract full price.
On these other tech forums, said the Galaxy S3 is better, the One X is better, and that the Nexus 4 should be like the 4th option to go with. WTF ?
My smartphone history goes like this; iPhone 1, iPhone 3G, MyTouch 3G, Nexus-One, EVO 4G, Nexus-S 4G, Galaxy S2, Galaxy Nexus, HTC One X, Note 2, Nexus 4.
Out of all those phones, I have to say I felt the most comfortable with my Nexus phones, to quote that classic line "It just works", I prefer the minimalistic design of the Nexus line, not too flashy, or fancy overdone UI's, but a smooth and simple design, that I feel most comfortable with. Sure I know the Nexus 4 is not the most powerful smartphone available today, and maybe not the best screen tech, but I am happy with it, and battery life isn't as bad as the nightmare I read.
Plus once Android 5.0 KLP is released possibly this Summer, the Nexus 4 will get it right away, good luck with your new HTC One, or Galaxy S4 getting 5.0 KLP anytime soon, it will be a very long wait, even custom ROM's for non Nexus phones will have a long wait to get 5.0.
theyre just jealous. plus, everyone always thinks that the device that they have is the best, regardless of the truth. i love my n4, and wouldnt give it up for those other devices.
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theyre just jealous. plus, everyone always thinks that the device that they have is the best, regardless of the truth. i love my n4, and wouldnt give it up for those other devices.
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The device I have really is the best
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theyre just jealous. plus, everyone always thinks that the device that they have is the best, regardless of the truth. i love my n4, and wouldnt give it up for those other devices.
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A few people that did respond, said they are on Verizon, and if the Nexus 4 was available, and had LTE for Verizon, they would get it right away. Personally I hate Verizon, super expensive, but they are the biggest carrier in the U.S., I think the Nexus-Five will have LTE, and Google would be smart to have a CDMA version to work with that carrier, could be a ton more sales.
Rumors point to Google announcing Android 5.0 "Key Lime Pie" at this May's Google I/O show. And possibly a release this June / July. Would Google also release the Nexus-Five then this Summer, the first phone with 5.0 KLP ? Or just give the Nexus 4 Key Lime Pie, and hold off on the Nexus-Five to the typical Nov/Dec release ?
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A few people that did respond, said they are on Verizon, and if the Nexus 4 was available, and had LTE for Verizon, they would get it right away. Personally I hate Verizon, super expensive, but they are the biggest carrier in the U.S., I think the Nexus-Five will have LTE, and Google would be smart to have a CDMA version to work with that carrier, could be a ton more sales.
Rumors point to Google announcing Android 5.0 "Key Lime Pie" at this May's Google I/O show. And possibly a release this June / July. Would Google also release the Nexus-Five then this Summer, the first phone with 5.0 KLP ? Or just give the Nexus 4 Key Lime Pie, and hold off on the Nexus-Five to the typical Nov/Dec release ?
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typically with google its a year cycle for the nexus releases. they might announce klp at i/o, but i dont think that it would be out until later this year.
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The device I have really is the best
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no it's not, mine is
simms22 said:
theyre just jealous. plus, everyone always thinks that the device that they have is the best, regardless of the truth. i love my n4, and wouldnt give it up for those other devices.
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I concur. Everyone has a preference. Forget those fools. Just enjoy your device and make yourself happy.
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I concur. Everyone has a preference. Forget those fools. Just enjoy your device and make yourself happy.
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I do. I really like this Nexus 4. Just surprised people look at it like a cheap low end Android device. I think it's easily one of the top phones out there today. Better spec'd than the Galaxy S3, way better than the One X, sure the Note 2 might be better, but that's too large for my tastes. Not sure why so much hate for the Nexus 4, maybe because it's not a Samsung or HTC made Nexus ?
This LG Nexus is much nicer than my old Samsung Nexus, nicer screen, way better build quality, not even mentioning the better hardware, but that's a given with a one year newer device.
It's interesting that there are fanboy groups within fanboy groups. It's like fanboy Inception.
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It's interesting that there are fanboy groups within fanboy groups. It's like fanboy Inception.
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Samslut has a huge following. I just went to a T-Mobile store. Every single employee had a Samsung phone.
Every. Single. One.
One of them, I know for a fact, had ordered a Nexus 4 back in December. Hater.
Most people equate price with worth. If something cost more it must be better. If something cost less it must be worse. Look at all apples stuff. Cost an arm and leg for their "premium" junk. Cost more, must be better.
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Most people equate price with worth. If something cost more it must be better. If something cost less it must be worse. Look at all apples stuff. Cost an arm and leg for their "premium" junk. Cost more, must be better.
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Well, their hardware and build quality is top notch. Mind you, they leave out things for a while like LTE, NFC, etc.
It's just the software... :shudder:
Also, that elitist mentality based on ignorance that seems to come with the device kind of blows.
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Samslut has a huge following. I just went to a T-Mobile store. Every single employee had a Samsung phone.
Every. Single. One.
One of them, I know for a fact, had ordered a Nexus 4 back in December. Hater.
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With the exception of the N4 there really isn't a much better option on T-Mobile than the S3 for high end phones. Everything else there is mid-low range.
I think Samsung's success comes from:
1: They are a household name. They make everything. People can relate.
2: They advertise the crap out of their phones.
Most people aren't tech savvy. When they see non-stop apple and samsung commercials they believe that they are the best things out there. They just don't know any better.
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With the exception of the N4 there really isn't a much better option on T-Mobile than the S3 for high end phones. Everything else there is mid-low range.
I think Samsung's success comes from:
1: They are a household name. They make everything. People can relate.
2: The advertise the crap out of their phones.
Most people aren't tech savvy. When the see non-stop apple and samsung commercials they believe that they are the best things out there. They just don't know any better.
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Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.
That just goes to show you that advertising works. It's OK, all the haters can suck it.
I own a nexus s and I've recommended Samsung to everyone I know for about the last year or so....when I told my friends I wanted the LG Nexus they all looked appalled that I would recommend one manufacturer to everyone, then suddenly choose a device for myself from another. Some people just don't understand that not everyone cares what brand an item is. I picked a Nexus 4 because I wanted to stay with the Nexus family for its open nature and amazing development community. I pick devices for my needs. My needs are not the same as any one of my friends. They all like to buy a phone and keep it unrooted, etc. And that's fine. But I like to mod the living piss out of mine. If I could have remotely unlocked the bootloader while it was on its way to me I would have lol
This is what makes android so great, and it is why iOS will become known as an epic fail. Variety is the spice of life If they keep shoveling crap in front of people and expect them to just choke it down without even considering the fact that they may not like the same thing as the person next to them, they will eventually fail.
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Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.
That just goes to show you that advertising works. It's OK, all the haters can suck it.
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Yeah it's all about the advertising.
iOS advertising is condescending. People see the commercials and think they are elite for owning one.
Samsung ads have been more of the attacking/put down variety. People carry the bashing to the real world. Even if it means bashing other Android devices.
Advertising is a powerful tool...especially to the layman.
I had the option to pick whatever phone I wanted and went with the Nexus 4 because I can't stand touchwix and the note is just too big for my taste.
I didn't want an S3 knowing that the S4 is around the corner and not knowing when the S3 was getting future updates.
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Couldn't be happier with mine. Just switched from the one s, nobody was making any Roms for the the US one s and got tired of waiting on tmo to release their jellybloat. This is my first nexus phone. Well i take that back the first one had a defect in the screen that looked like a dimple in the pixels.
I'm surprised HTC doesn't have more of a cult following as their phones have some of the nicest build quality among the phones I've used. Samsung phones are nice too but I just can't get over the overly plastic feeling in their designs. I prefer a heavier phone for some reason; something that doesn't feel hollow behind the screen. To each their own at the end of the day... those same haters are gonna be the cry babies in the Samsung forums wishing they had the fast Android updates and Google support we receive with our Nexus devices. Tell them to have fun with their Samsung source code and move along.
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I'm surprised HTC doesn't have more of a cult following as their phones have some of the nicest build quality among the phones I've used. Samsung phones are nice too but I just can't get over the overly plastic feeling in their designs. I prefer a heavier phone for some reason; something that doesn't feel hollow behind the screen. To each their own at the end of the day... those same haters are gonna be the cry babies in the Samsung forums wishing they had the fast Android updates and Google support we receive with our Nexus devices. Tell them to have fun with their Samsung source code and move along.
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HTC has a few things against them
1) They put out phones slowly.
2) Slow software updates. It takes forever to update Sense.
3) Almost no advertising or other aggressive marketing.
4) They just don't have the funds or clout that Samsung has.
I am happy with my LG made Nexus, at the end of the day, I don't care, I mean all these phones are mainly Korean made, and LG is no slouch or small mom and pop shop.
But I will admit, that HTC has been making some really good designs lately, the One X in my opinion was the best looking Android phone of 2012, and the new One phones looks really great. I would love to have HTC back on the next Nexus. But if the Nexus-Five is another LG produced phone, that won't stop me one bit from buying it.