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Nexus 7 worth it with all the problems?

Is it even worth it? I mean with most of the people suffering from screen lifting, creaking,screen cracking easily washed out screen,screen flicker, dead pixels, screen burn-in/ghosting, LAG etc even with the replacements, seem to take the fun out of the tablet. I heard the replacements work for a few days and then start displaying the same issues.
What do ya'll think and suggest? Is the C8O the one to get or does that also have the same problems with it?
At this price point this is a steal but would still want an enjoyable tablet without the annoying problems.

Yeah, it's worth it - at least the 8 GB one is. I got it mainly to play with though. I have a XYBoard that I use for work. The issues are irritating, but it's not like I'm losing productivity. When I get home I put down the tool (XYBoard) and pick up the toy (N7)

Wait and see what Amazon comes out with tomorrow
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Most people have a nexus 7 that is fine. A lot of people on xda like to complain about small problems; however, they are a miniscule minority compared to the number of tablets that had to have been sold at this point. It does make these forums pretty boring imo. Mine has been fine since buying it at Gamestop the first day they sold it.

madhad said:
Is it even worth it? I mean with most of the people suffering from screen lifting, creaking,screen cracking easily washed out screen,screen flicker, dead pixels, screen burn-in/ghosting, LAG etc even with the replacements, seem to take the fun out of the tablet. I heard the replacements work for a few days and then start displaying the same issues.
What do ya'll think and suggest? Is the C8O the one to get or does that also have the same problems with it?
At this price point this is a steal but would still want an enjoyable tablet without the annoying problems.
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Maybe I'm one of the lucky few, but I haven't had any of the aforementioned problems. I am 100% happy with the N7 I received. I know it seems discouraging that a lot of people are having problems, but it's a great tablet.
The people suffering from LAG issues have there internal storage pretty full. From what I've heard it starts when you have 1-2gbs free space, I've never gone below 9gbs of free space.

I really love it but in really hate having to find one that doesn't have issues. Just got a replacement today and the same issue and is older than its a c60k but the one I had was the c80. If you can find one that has everything in check its awesome but these little defect are ridiculous. Asus did a terrible job with quality control. Not that every company doesn't but this is too damn widespread.
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What issues?
Had mine since the first shipment and have not seen any issues.Most likely it is just a few people that have any problems.Most of us got what they wanted and are very happy with it.Sure you see a lot of threads but it probably is not really that many people with issues since the same ones post of all them. I am sure google sold a lot more units than the few where we read about having issues.

You have to remember that complaints are like spilled oil.......doesn't take much to look like a real big mess!!!
I preordered mine from the Play Store. Had it rooted about 10 minutes out of the box and I haven't had one single defect!!! And I do believe that I am the rule rather than the exception. Keep in mind that Google is expected to sell five to six million of these things by the end of the year. And that's a lot of 7's!!

No problems with my 16gb C6O. Bought it last month. Use it every day!

Bought mine from a retail store 2days ago, in love with it even though its fairly new. Its an amazing device, its fast as hell, faster than my iPad 3. I also bought a one year warranty that covers pretty much anything for a year for just 50$. I would recommend anybody to do the same if they can, that way there's nothing to worry about.
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Not to be a dink, but couldn't you read one of the dozen or so other "should I get this/is it worth it" threads?
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Trust me alot of people make a mountain out of a mole hill when it comes to the N7. Its a great device don't let the people with OCD keep you from getting a fantastic device. As far as the creaking, its made of plastic kinda expected, colors being washed out? Compared to a amoled display, yes its washed out but you can't expect them to use a top notch display and keep the price @ $200.
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So the screen is supposed to be lifted and make ripples when I press on it? And the screen becomes unresponsive when it gets hot? These aren't mountains? Or its just me being to picky... the lag part is people being picky... people pointing out physical damage and defects are not being picky.
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veryy worth it
The nexus 7 is a very popular device that is being looked at thru a nano microscope. There are issues in some of the devices. But we see way more I love my nexus we see lots of support ..
I myself have a 8 gb with the screen lift issue. The reason i have not replaced it yet is because i had a 16 gb version delivered last week . Not 20 minutes after opening the box in my hand the screen crushed under my thumb. These things will happen to any device. The issue is how the company deals with these issues. I have noticed some Questionable i broke my my screen just broke threads. Really read them and you can kinda see the legit ones. This is a tough call for the Manufacture But we will hope they do the right thing..
SO YES ITS A AWESOME Device with questionable very questionable Quality Control.by a KNOWN 3RD Rate build partner..
If you buy one and have trouble REPORT IT quickly and get it replaces. When its said and done i bet there will be very small return numbers in comparison to the number of the devices sold...

Got mine Monday. I'm in love. Playing some Crash Team Racing for ps1 at a steady 60 fps.
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ÜBER™ said:
So the screen is supposed to be lifted and make ripples when I press on it? And the screen becomes unresponsive when it gets hot? These aren't mountains? Or its just me being to picky... the lag part is people being picky... people pointing out physical damage and defects are not being picky.
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First off dude did I say I was talking to you directly? Did I say everybody was making a big deal out of everything?? No I didn't. Im aware that some people do in act have issues. But when you have people who want the screen to look as good as a iPads, complain about the slightest amount of light bleed, get mad when a plastic device makes the slightest bit of noise when squeezed then that my friend is making a big deal out of something small. Its a $200 tablet. Try to find a tablet that offers more at that price point...
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madhad said:
Is it even worth it? I mean with most of the people suffering from screen lifting, creaking,screen cracking easily washed out screen,screen flicker, dead pixels, screen burn-in/ghosting, LAG etc even with the replacements, seem to take the fun out of the tablet. I heard the replacements work for a few days and then start displaying the same issues.
What do ya'll think and suggest? Is the C8O the one to get or does that also have the same problems with it?
At this price point this is a steal but would still want an enjoyable tablet without the annoying problems.
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All these issues are real enough. And I confess that I've kinda focused on them and let the issues bother me more than they should. But then I decided to just use the tablet, I even stopped reading this forum for a while and I'm really enjoying it and don't really notice the problems much anymore.
Yes, I have screen lift on the left side. While most of the bezel has a very tiny lip around the glass, on the left side the glass is just a hair higher than the bezel. I wish it wasn't that way, but it's easy enough to forget that defect is there if I'm not being reminded of it daily on this forum.
I've already tried a couple RMAs and have pretty much had the same issues with every replacement I've gotten. Except creaky bezel, haven't had that on any of my Nexus 7s, so I'm hopeful that's a rare issue that you won't encounter.
As for the washed out screen. There are two things going on here. Firstly playing many videos will cause the screen to look very washed out or over saturated while and after the video (though the video itself looks great). This goes away quickly on it's own after the video has stopped. If you are rooted there are automatic scripts you can install to disable the "smartdimmer" behavior causing the problem, which I have done. The other issue is the colors do look a bit washed out all the time. This is much more subtle and if you didn't have another tablet or phone to compare with you might not even notice it. I'm hoping Google can can fix this, but I'm growing doubtful that they will if they haven't by now. But I can live with the slightly washed out colors and the "smartdimmer" video issue is easy to fix ourselves with root access.
I don't think there is any screen burn in issue. I think some people mistake the ghosting for it. With the smartdimmer disabled I really don't notice the ghosting anymore. I think it's still there to a small degree, but minor.
I've not experience lag with any of my Nexus 7 tablets. With the exception of Chrome, seems like it should be performing better, it does very well in benchmarks. Not sure what the issue is, but the lag really isn't that terrible. While I find Dolphin much faster, I still use Chrome because I like the synchronization with my desktop and I still find it plenty fast for my needs anyway.
It's definitely not the best looking screen. But getting a pure Nexus experience and at only $250, I'm very impressed and pleased with my purchase. And this tablet is light and feels really good in my hand. So it more than makes up for the multitude of minor issues I've had with all of mine.

SPreston2001 said:
First off dude did I say I was talking to you directly? Did I say everybody was making a big deal out of everything?? No I didn't. Im aware that some people do in act have issues. But when you have people who want the screen to look as good as a iPads, complain about the slightest amount of light bleed, get mad when a plastic device makes the slightest bit of noise when squeezed then that my friend is making a big deal out of something small. Its a $200 tablet. Try to find a tablet that offers more at that price point...
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Apparently I wrote that with an angry tone. What I was trying to point out is there is quite a number of people complaining about defects and that is what he is reading about. And when you say "oh its people making a mountain out of a mound hole" that is not true. I didn't mean to make it sound like I was pissed.
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Yes, it's absolutely worth it - pending you buy an extended/accidental warranty. I baby my devices, but that didn't stop my Nexus 7 screen from randomly breaking. Now I'm dealing with headaches from ASUS in an attempt to get it fixed. At this point, I don't see how you can purchase the Nexus 7 WITHOUT that sort of warranty.

JaSauders said:
Yes, it's absolutely worth it - pending you buy an extended/accidental warranty. I baby my devices, but that didn't stop my Nexus 7 screen from randomly breaking. Now I'm dealing with headaches from ASUS in an attempt to get it fixed. At this point, I don't see how you can purchase the Nexus 7 WITHOUT that sort of warranty.
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Randomly breaking?

Sigh.. Am I being too demanding?

I have had I think like 5 RMAs all with different things wrong.. My last one SEEMED perfect but it overheated a lot then suddenly developed a really loud creaking of the frame, so I asked for another and now this one is sooo close to perfect but it has minor minor screen lifting on the left, nothing like it was on the earlier ones, just barely, doesn't move much, do you think it will get worse over time or should I just stick with it cause it's mostly fine ? If the screen lift stays as it is then whatever it's not that bad and I plan on getting a new phone soon anyways so I won't be on my tablet 100% of the time, but if the screen lift worsens then it's unacceptable.. What do you guys think? Did anyone with minor screen lift notice it get worse? I might just try the opening the back to fix it myself at this point.

noneabove said:
I have had I think like 5 RMAs all with different things wrong.. My last one SEEMED perfect but it overheated a lot then suddenly developed a really loud creaking of the frame, so I asked for another and now this one is sooo close to perfect but it has minor minor screen lifting on the left, nothing like it was on the earlier ones, just barely, doesn't move much, do you think it will get worse over time or should I just stick with it cause it's mostly fine ? If the screen lift stays as it is then whatever it's not that bad and I plan on getting a new phone soon anyways so I won't be on my tablet 100% of the time, but if the screen lift worsens then it's unacceptable.. What do you guys think? Did anyone with minor screen lift notice it get worse? I might just try the opening the back to fix it myself at this point.
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I would just keep this almost perfect one. I'm in the same situation as you. I RMA'd until I got a nearly perfect N7 with no flaw other than minor screen lift. Mine hasn't gotten worse and it's been over a month now.
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RockNrolling said:
I would just keep this almost perfect one. I'm in the same situation as you. I RMA'd until I got a nearly perfect N7 with no flaw other than minor screen lift. Mine hasn't gotten worse and it's been over a month now.
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Well that's promising then, yeah it's not even really bad right now it barely moves just a little high.. And assuming the next nexus isn't made my asus.. I will be getting it so that should offset anything wrong with my N7 Speaking of which though, does anyone remember any manufacturing defects with the samsung galaxy nexus ? Was it bad like this or can we hope for a smooth nexus release and this was just a fluke?

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Sigh.. Am I being too demanding?
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Yes
Its a pathetic $200, dude. Not to mention its built in the third world.
Keep the one you have and start using the dam thing. Geez!
After 5 RMA's Google should cancel all affiliation with you and tell you never to use ANY of their products EVER again.

na, if Google and Asus would of got it right the first time OP would not have to rma so much.
op, how long have you had your screen lift? has it stayed the same? I have had my nexus about a week. and have screen lift still deciding what to do
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I just got my 6th Nexus today and I feel the same as you. It has screen lift, stuck pixels, back cover doesn't sit right, backlight bleed, and it has a big LCD mura smudge in the top left corner.
Part of me wants to just give up and get a refund but it would be such a great device if there weren't any faults. I have concluded that none of them are faultless however; many posters here reckon theirs are fault free but I have yet to see one. If you have had 5 RMAs it's only because you, like me, are someone who notices the faults and isn't in denial about them.
Every one of them (but for the smallest percentage) has screen lift to some degree. I'm sure other, more capable manufacturers will be releasing properly built tablets in the very near future though so keep that in mind. You should probably also consider the possibility that the screen lift and the design flaw that causes it will potentially cause other more serious defects to appear like a cracked screen for example.
If the N7 had a direct competitor, there's no way I would buy the Nexus with all the faults it has but as yet, it's the best 7 inch out there all things considered. Won't be difficult for other manufacturers to beat though, just make a tablet with same specs and no faults.
In all honesty if you can't live with the screen lift I would get a refund and wait for something better to come along. You're very unlikely to get one without some sort of fault.

Often people just receive other peoples faulty trade ins. So it might only be 1-2 defective units if that was the case.
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Harry GT-S5830 said:
Often people just receive other peoples faulty trade ins. So it might only be 1-2 defective units if that was the case.
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I don't think this makes any sense, can you explain?

I would have given up after the second unit did not satisfy me.I am glad my first one works very well.
A case that covers the bezel takes car of any of those "slight screen lift" problems very well as I suspect it is just cosmetic in nature.jmo

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
Just saying.
But to answer your question....yes. You will never be satisfied with this device because of your experience, either real or perceived you will always be looking for a flaw. Better to move on with another device that better meets your expectations.
Whatever you decide, good luck.

There is no perfect tablet out there and all of them have something that is going to irritate someone. Get a refund and spend double on the "perfect Ipad" which has no flaws....ever(sarcasm). Again, nothing is perfect in the technology world.

James-NC said:
I would have given up after the second unit did not satisfy me.I am glad my first one works very well.
A case that covers the bezel takes car of any of those "slight screen lift" problems very well as I suspect it is just cosmetic in nature.jmo
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This.
My case worked wonders for my minor lift, hasn't bothered me in weeks xD

Hemidroids said:
Yes
Its a pathetic $200, dude. Not to mention its built in the third world.
Keep the one you have and start using the dam thing. Geez!
After 5 RMA's Google should cancel all affiliation with you and tell you never to use ANY of their products EVER again.
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That seems a bit extreme.. I use the thing a lot, I love the device itself, I use it with 6+ hours of screen on time every day, I was just wondering if I was extremely unlucky.. This is the best one so far, my last one i thought was the best one but it became really loose after awhile...
motrinHD said:
na, if Google and Asus would of got it right the first time OP would not have to rma so much.
op, how long have you had your screen lift? has it stayed the same? I have had my nexus about a week. and have screen lift still deciding what to do
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Yeah I'm more annoyed with asus's factories and maybe also google for not monitoring the whole process..
I've had screen lift since the day I opened this one, but like I said it's not bad, it's like just barely reaching the silver part of the bezel, nothing like the original ones where it was above the bezel
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I just got my 6th Nexus today and I feel the same as you. It has screen lift, stuck pixels, back cover doesn't sit right, backlight bleed, and it has a big LCD mura smudge in the top left corner.
Part of me wants to just give up and get a refund but it would be such a great device if there weren't any faults. I have concluded that none of them are faultless however; many posters here reckon theirs are fault free but I have yet to see one. If you have had 5 RMAs it's only because you, like me, are someone who notices the faults and isn't in denial about them.
Every one of them (but for the smallest percentage) has screen lift to some degree. I'm sure other, more capable manufacturers will be releasing properly built tablets in the very near future though so keep that in mind. You should probably also consider the possibility that the screen lift and the design flaw that causes it will potentially cause other more serious defects to appear like a cracked screen for example.
If the N7 had a direct competitor, there's no way I would buy the Nexus with all the faults it has but as yet, it's the best 7 inch out there all things considered. Won't be difficult for other manufacturers to beat though, just make a tablet with same specs and no faults.
In all honesty if you can't live with the screen lift I would get a refund and wait for something better to come along. You're very unlikely to get one without some sort of fault.
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If this weren't a nexus device, I would have given up on it after the second RMA, hands down, but now the pros pretty much outweigh the cons, if my tablet stays in the condition it is for the forseeable future (until the next nexus tablet? haha) then I have no problem keeping it, despite the existing flaws. Also I'm considering the fact that when they eventually announce the next nexus phone that I will be picking it up pretty much right away, right now I have an older phone (htc desire Z) so I use my tablet like all the time when I'd be using my phone otherwise, even for texting often haha, so when I get a good phone I suspect it will offset my N7 usage and I won't care as much
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I would have given up after the second unit did not satisfy me.I am glad my first one works very well.
A case that covers the bezel takes car of any of those "slight screen lift" problems very well as I suspect it is just cosmetic in nature.jmo
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Yeah I need to get a case.. I just have a sleeve right now, I need to figure out which case is best and what I want it for.. I want something that doesn't add much bulk, and maybe one that can be a stand.. I saw one that was a rotating stand so you could set it up in both landscape and portrait and that one seemed cool cause most right now only show landscape :/

Hemidroids said:
Yes
Its a pathetic $200, dude. Not to mention its built in the third world.
Keep the one you have and start using the dam thing. Geez!
After 5 RMA's Google should cancel all affiliation with you and tell you never to use ANY of their products EVER again.
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Douchebag alert ^
First we (consumers) are spending our hard earned cash on this tablet whether its $200 or $2000. We shouldn't have to settle for a half assed put together product. Their quality sucks period and isn't acceptable. They need six sigma and six S present in their factories. I should be able to RMA till the dumb f#%@s get it right. This is my last Asus product.…

I don't think its demanding at all to expect a product that's not defective right out of the box brand new. If you are within the time period of exchange I don't see why you shouldn't take it back if you aren't happy with what you paid for. It took me 6 exchanges with GameStop to finally get one I'm happy with, that hasn't had an issue out of the box or pop up after a week. If you get a good one this tablet is worth it, at least to me, its essentially a 7" version of my phone which is why I didn't give up looking for a good one. Asus should have better QC in place so I shouldn't have to. I also had the Prime so I can tell you it stinks
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I dont wish to read all the posts, but my last one had a minor screen lift that I did not notice for 2 days, but I sent it back because we payed for a tablet that doesnt have a screen lift, thats what it comes down to, not to mention any lift does compromise the glass. My second one is perfect.

A TPU case will provide protection and overhang the lip a little so you don't see any lift.
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TRY THE WASHER METHOD by making a few little plastic screw tabs. Pulled mine in nice and tight and it's now solid. I had real bad lift too and the bevel was also bowed on the side. Now everything is nice and straight. Great for a 5 minute fix.
As far as returns, returning something 5 times expecting different results is retarded (IMO). It is a manufacture defect where the screws are too long. They "solve" this by simply removing the screws (which is retarded too). So technically your aren't going to get a perfect device because they are all made that way. Sure there are some that don't have this (my first one) but chances are your going to have this on each one. So just fix it yourself. Big deal. It's easy and faster and BETTER then Asus' fix.
Dead Pixels or popped speakers or something that legitimately hinders your usage... yea exchange that sucker. A little screen lift isn't going to do anything.

I have not had any issues with mine at all, it is an August build. ASUS products have been good to me though. MY TF101 was also good. The power button was and does feel flimsy on that one though.
5 RMA's makes me think someone is looking at this with a magnifying glass and TRYING to find a reason to complain.

Hemidroids said:
Yes
Its a pathetic $200, dude. Not to mention its built in the third world.
Keep the one you have and start using the dam thing. Geez!
After 5 RMA's Google should cancel all affiliation with you and tell you never to use ANY of their products EVER again.
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i hope you are joking. If not your screen name fits you well ( Ooops thought it was hemroids) I dont care how much you pay for the device it should have had better quality control before going out to the public.

player911 said:
A TPU case will provide protection and overhang the lip a little so you don't see any lift.
OR
TRY THE WASHER METHOD by making a few little plastic screw tabs. Pulled mine in nice and tight and it's now solid. I had real bad lift too and the bevel was also bowed on the side. Now everything is nice and straight. Great for a 5 minute fix.
As far as returns, returning something 5 times expecting different results is retarded (IMO). It is a manufacture defect where the screws are too long. They "solve" this by simply removing the screws (which is retarded too). So technically your aren't going to get a perfect device because they are all made that way. Sure there are some that don't have this (my first one) but chances are your going to have this on each one. So just fix it yourself. Big deal. It's easy and faster and BETTER then Asus' fix.
Dead Pixels or popped speakers or something that legitimately hinders your usage... yea exchange that sucker. A little screen lift isn't going to do anything.
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Yeah with this one I may just try the washer fix, especially since it seems reversible in the worse case scenario that my tablet breaks somehow.. or maybe I'll just cover it up or both, we'll see haha
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[Q] Should you blindly buy Nexus4 or wait a while.

All are really crazy in Selling their phones to buy the Nexus 4 , also with such a great price. Should I do the same , i am confused. I think let Nexus4 play around for some days and then grab it. What should i do?

Basically I'm thinking "failure" is a relative term. Even if the Nexus 4 is a fantastic failure, it is still worlds better than my current phone, and damned cheap without forcing me into a contract. So I'm getting one ASAP, if for a couple months it can only utilize 50% of it's hardware capabilities, it is still twice my current phone, and easily the equal of any phone that is $350 off contract. And once it really is operating at the peak for what its specs say, then it will blow $700 phones out of the water too.

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Basically I'm thinking "failure" is a relative term. Even if the Nexus 4 is a fantastic failure, it is still worlds better than my current phone, and damned cheap without forcing me into a contract. So I'm getting one ASAP, if for a couple months it can only utilize 50% of it's hardware capabilities, it is still twice my current phone, and easily the equal of any phone that is $350 off contract. And once it really is operating at the peak for what its specs say, then it will blow $700 phones out of the water too.
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the most important thing of any nexus: timely updates for a few years to come. that was the first thing that attracted me to it before all the rumors. then i saw the announcement, and boy, do those specs look awesome for only $349 (16GB)

rohit_nikalje said:
All are really crazy in Selling their phones to buy the Nexus 4 , also with such a great price. Should I do the same , i am confused. I think let Nexus4 play around for some days and then grab it. What should i do?
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In india you have to wait anyways by that time all reviews will come you to decide.

USSENTERNCC1701E said:
Basically I'm thinking "failure" is a relative term. Even if the Nexus 4 is a fantastic failure, it is still worlds better than my current phone, and damned cheap without forcing me into a contract. So I'm getting one ASAP, if for a couple months it can only utilize 50% of it's hardware capabilities, it is still twice my current phone, and easily the equal of any phone that is $350 off contract. And once it really is operating at the peak for what its specs say, then it will blow $700 phones out of the water too.
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My thoughts exactly. It's a huge improvement on the phone I'm using now. For $300-$350 I'd rather buy this brand new than a used phone without warranty. And it's just so sexy looking. (At least I think so.)
I'm honestly not worried about most of the complaints, with the exception of battery life, but I think it will iron out when the actual production model and/or software are released.

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And it's just so sexy looking. (At least I think so.)
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lol, the only thing I don't like is that it is completely flat, I loved the curvature to the S and Gnex. Other than that I think it looks spectacular, and the back is sweet. From what I've read google was trying to make it feel better in hand than the other devices, and the other nexi were really the only devices out there curved like that, so whatev. I'm stoked :victory:

USSENTERNCC1701E said:
lol, the only thing I don't like is that it is completely flat, I loved the curvature to the S and Gnex. Other than that I think it looks spectacular, and the back is sweet. From what I've read google was trying to make it feel better in hand than the other devices, and the other nexi were really the only devices out there curved like that, so whatev. I'm stoked :victory:
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Its not completely flat. The left and right edges curve into the sides.

I would wait til the gorilla glass on back proves itself--
If you use cases and "never" drop your phone--go for it--great price/great phone

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Its not completely flat. The left and right edges curve into the sides.
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I mean the profile is flat, like every other phone. So it's not a big deal, I just really liked the curved profiles of the last two nexi

same question
How likely is it that there are issues with the first production round, performance-wise (i.e. not the glass back), which can't be solved with a software update? I'm a little naive, and I tried a bit to search for an answer, but this thread is the closest I came up with.

Based on the wording of your question and being your first post--welcome--I would wait. Always a chance for something not right. I bought the first Nexus--N1--sight unseen from Google when they came out. Wanted to root and flash. It had a bad touchscreen, as most did, but livable.
Many people here are hard core flashers and want cutting edge phones... So, they don't worry about the risk.
Unless you are in that category or have need to buy now, I would wait.

I don't understand why people are so concerned with the gorilla glass on the back. Does the gorilla glass on the front not breakable?

yahoowizard said:
I don't understand why people are so concerned with the gorilla glass on the back. Does the gorilla glass on the front not breakable?
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Because it is something extra to break. We accept glass fronts because they are necessary. It's like windows in your house, there is a general amount of structure that most people are okay with sacrificing to have windows. But you wouldn't want your entire house glass.
Personally I like the glass back and am willing to just be careful fore sake of aesthetics. A lot of people don't think the looks are worth the extra breakable surface.

I have an S3 and have thought about switching, but I really dig the S3's huge screen and fancy software features. I am very conflicted on this... the S4 Pro is nice but how much difference is it going to make in day to day operation.

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I don't understand why people are so concerned with the gorilla glass on the back. Does the gorilla glass on the front not breakable?
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If you have it front and back--you double your chances of something breaking, excluding the sides. It looks good, not sure why it is needed though. It would not stop me from buying it, if i wanted the phone. Deciding btwn Note 2 and N4 atm.
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Just FYI--which I think is old news--
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/11/psa-no-the-nexus-4-does-not-have-wi-fi-calling/

Shenkoa said:
I have an S3 and have thought about switching, but I really dig the S3's huge screen and fancy software features. I am very conflicted on this... the S4 Pro is nice but how much difference is it going to make in day to day operation.
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For day to day not much at all to be honest most current android devices can handle day to day operations well.
Personally the N4 has the better screen compared to the SGS3 but that's my opinion. You've got removable battery and expandable storage on your device.
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For day to day not much at all to be honest most current android devices can handle day to day operations well.
Personally the N4 has the better screen compared to the SGS3 but that's my opinion. You've got removable battery and expandable storage on your device.
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I have been pondering about upgrading my N1 (too old but usable with a variant of CM9). Wait for full review on the device like audio quality before jumping in. Apart from non-changeable battery and no micro SD card slot (and maybe glass back), this phone looks tempting to me. Not sure why they don't have 32G version yet.

What reasons are you getting/(rid of) the Nexus 4?

As the title says, for what reasons are you getting the nexus 4? Or even getting rid of the nexus 4?
Could it be because of the lack of memory? (Is 16 not enough, and is it a pain always connecting it to your laptop/desktop to change anything on it?
There's no real thread for all the good and bad points of this device.
I personally have yet to actually get this phone, and was put off by it's lack of usb capabilities particularly with a ps3 controller. But earlier I discovered it's possible to connect a ps3 pad to this phone purely by bluetooth, so I now again want this phone as soon as google sort out the stock and shipping problems.
What's your view on it?

Reason to get it, Cheap, Pure google. Latest updates for years.
Reasons to get rid of it such as only 16GB storage, fragile, no 4G are just stupid as everyone is well aware of this BEFORE they purchase the phone.

my phone just fell from the recliner onto a rug which is sitting on a hardwood floor. its pretty much an 18" drop. that popped my glass loose. i can now barely squeeze the bottom and i get a clickin noise. 2 days after my 15 day return.
the nexus is an absolute hunk of junk and not worth the savings. way too many things to list on how cheap this phone really is.

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my phone just fell from the recliner onto a rug which is sitting on a hardwood floor. its pretty much an 18" drop. that popped my glass loose. i can now barely squeeze the bottom and i get a clickin noise. 2 days after my 15 day return.
the nexus is an absolute hunk of junk and not worth the savings. way too many things to list on how cheap this phone really is.
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Unlucky about that.
You're one of many that's complained about how crap the glass screen is. I've tried looking for drop tests on youtube while in the case but there doesn't seem to be anything. Most of the cases look dead flimsy as well.
As you say about the casing of the phone itself is perhaps a downside to it, but not one enough to deffer me from it, a good case should right that flaw (I hope).

cloud1111 said:
Reason to get it, Cheap, Pure google. Latest updates for years.
Reasons to get rid of it such as only 16GB storage, fragile, no 4G are just stupid as everyone is well aware of this BEFORE they purchase the phone.
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Updates isn't really that much of an issue with cyanogenmod only being behind the official release by no time really.
Fraigility is a concern but as I said above a good case should right this flaw. I don't see 4G as a massive thing at this moment in time. It's fairly new in the UK, and massively overpriced comapred to standard 3G/+

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Unlucky about that.
You're one of many that's complained about how crap the glass screen is. I've tried looking for drop tests on youtube while in the case but there doesn't seem to be anything. Most of the cases look dead flimsy as well.
As you say about the casing of the phone itself is perhaps a downside to it, but not one enough to deffer me from it, a good case should right that flaw (I hope).
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lol. it better be a sponge. i am sporting the bumper and have a tpu diztronic soft case sitting around here somewhere. that wouldnt have helped either.
and truth be told... they will have to pry this phone from my cold and dead hand before i will give it up. but people should know what they are getting into.

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lol. it better be a sponge. i am sporting the bumper and have a tpu diztronic soft case sitting around here somewhere. that wouldnt have helped either.
and truth be told... they will have to pry this phone from my cold and dead hand before i will give it up. but people should know what they are getting into.
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Did it happen while the bumper was on aswell?
So despite it's obvious flaws you still love the phone?

I got the nexus 4 (first batch) , then trade it with an iPhone 5, then got the nexus 4 again. I think its the current best android phone besides the note 2. However I saw someone with a Nokia lumia 920 today and I was blown away. I'm gonna give it a try.
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barondebxl said:
I got the nexus 4 (first batch) , then trade it with an iPhone 5, then got the nexus 4 again. I think its the current best android phone besides the note 2. However I saw someone with a Nokia lumia 920 today and I was blown away. I'm gonna give it a try.
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My mate just got the note 2 and reckons it's better which I don't mainly due to it's huge size. Alright for a woman carrying it in a purse but not a man wearing jeans lol.
But I digress, How come you got rid of the first batch nexus 4? Yellow screen problems (Over I hope)? I've yet to see the Lumia in person, How is it?

mufc09 said:
My mate just got the note 2 and reckons it's better which I don't mainly due to it's huge size. Alright for a woman carrying it in a purse but not a man wearing jeans lol.
But I digress, How come you got rid of the first batch nexus 4? Yellow screen problems (Over I hope)? I've yet to see the Lumia in person, How is it?
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Lumia 920 is great. It's built like a tank, as one would expect. You could beat a mugger to death with it and still call the meat wagon in to carry off his corpse.
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mufc09 said:
Did it happen while the bumper was on aswell?
So despite it's obvious flaws you still love the phone?
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yah. the glass didnt break. it popped loose. and when i say pooped loose... its loose to the point that it 'creaks' when you squeeze it. i am trying not to continue messing with it... i know it will only get worse as time goes by. i am seriously thinking about getting insurance through square trade or whatever it is so i dont have to worry about it. i know i will be replacing a broken screen eventually.
http://www.squaretrade.com/smartphone
you only have thrity days from purchase to get it.

estallings15 said:
Lumia 920 is great. It's built like a tank, as one would expect. You could beat a mugger to death with it and still call the meat wagon in to carry off his corpse.
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Haha, sounds like a standard nokia tbf. They don't break even if you try (Well the old ones at least)

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yah. the glass didnt break. it popped loose. and when i say pooped loose... its loose to the point that it 'creaks' when you squeeze it. i am trying not to continue messing with it... i know it will only get worse as time goes by. i am seriously thinking about getting insurance through square trade or whatever it is so i dont have to worry about it. i know i will be replacing a broken screen eventually.
http://www.squaretrade.com/smartphone
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Thats odd, can you not force it back in by sqeazing all the sides down? Least you don't have a huge dirty crack down it.
I've never really thought about insurance, but then again this will be the most expensive phone I'll buy to date when I get this.
Are they good prices I don't know?
Will it not be covered by your house insurance for when **** really hits the fan?

What it means to stand by your product

Ok it a company says they stand by their product, I think they should mean it. Take for example. when HTC release the One M8 they said that they stood by their product and put there money where their mouth was by offering a free 6 month screen replacement program to go along with the phone.
With the Nexus 6 and all their other phones, Motorola says that they "stand by their product" but what I just learned is that they only stand by their product if you PAY them to do so. The Nexus 6 is a very large phone sporting a 5.9" screen. And given it's size and weight, I believe that Motorola choose to skip a few corner when it came to the screen construction, resulting in a screen as shatter resistant as the iPhone 4.
Note to Motorola, if you are going to say that you stand by your product, then STAND BY YOU PRODUCT if not, then shut the heck up. I will keep this crack phone, which cracked by falling between my car seat without any scratch on its body , (only because i have no other phone) but as soon as HTC release a new phone with Android 5.0 I'm switching company, and sticking with the company that actually knows what it means to stand by their product.

You know I was kind of thinking about this when I bought the Motorola Nexus 6. I thought to myself man why don't they offer something like HTC does with the cracked screens. The screens don't cost that much and not many people are going to break them compared to the amount of phones they're going to sell.
I broke the screen on my Galaxy S2 couple years back I took it in to sprint to see how much it was going to cost to get fixed and they did it for free because so many of the screens were breaking. I didn't have to pay for the warranty claim, they didn't even do it as a warranty claim they just did it because so many of the screens were breaking.
To be completely honest I probably would have gotten the Samsung Note 4 over the Nexus 6 just because of their good track record with current screens but I really wanted a pure Nexus experience.
I really hope that I don't become disappointed with this phone.
Being that it is the new Nexus phone though I'm sure we'll see replacement glass on eBay for like $10~20.00 within a couple of months. You always do for the Samsung phones. In fact I just replace the glass on my friends s5, it was $12.00 shipped for the glass, we bought 2 he got a spare!
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By the way how much did Motorola want to repair the phone?

If my screen were to crack, I'd have to go through T-Mobile's insurance. I'm not sure how good it is. Thanks for making me worry!

rlh445 said:
If my screen were to crack, I'd have to go through T-Mobile's insurance. I'm not sure how good it is. Thanks for making me worry!
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I'm with T-Mobile, and it cost $175 and they send you a "used" replacement phone.
Im sure the phone will be fine, so long as you have it in a case, and dont drop it face down on the screen.

kdoggy said:
You know I was kind of thinking about this when I bought the Motorola Nexus 6. I thought to myself man why don't they offer something like HTC does with the cracked screens. The screens don't cost that much and not many people are going to break them compared to the amount of phones they're going to sell.
I broke the screen on my Galaxy S2 couple years back I took it in to sprint to see how much it was going to cost to get fixed and they did it for free because so many of the screens were breaking. I didn't have to pay for the warranty claim, they didn't even do it as a warranty claim they just did it because so many of the screens were breaking.
To be completely honest I probably would have gotten the Samsung Note 4 over the Nexus 6 just because of their good track record with current screens but I really wanted a pure Nexus experience.
I really hope that I don't become disappointed with this phone.
Being that it is the new Nexus phone though I'm sure we'll see replacement glass on eBay for like $10~20.00 within a couple of months. You always do for the Samsung phones. In fact I just replace the glass on my friends s5, it was $12.00 shipped for the glass, we bought 2 he got a spare!
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By the way how much did Motorola want to repair the phone?
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Unfortunately, the screen for the nexus 6 is not cheap to make ifixit did the tear down on it and the display and the digitizer is fused together so that will drive up the cost. The overall experience of the phone is great it just becomes apparently that there wasn't a lot of money going to the construction of the phone exterior. But if you haven't brought this phone yet I recommend going with the Note 4 because of Samsung success with the Note series.
This was Motorola first phablet and they just did not know how to make a sturdy one.

They all use gorilla glass 3. How is it motorola's fault you broke your screen. It's always someone else's fault.

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They all use gorilla glass 3. How is it motorola's fault you broke your screen. It's always someone else's fault.
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Yes but again, different phone have different thickness of GG, given the larger screen size, the GG on the N6 is thinner than say the Droid Turbo in order to compensate for the phones' weight, width, and height.
The extra thinnest and the curve edges of the screen equates to a weaker constructed screen.

Gungrave223 said:
The extra thinnest and the curve edges of the screen equates to a weaker constructed screen.
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you have no proof of that, and it sounds like you're just blaming others for your problems.
4 years with a large screen smartphone and i've still never dropped any of mine. that's your issue, not the manufacturers.

If this were a major issue wouldn't we be hearing about it all over?
Sorry about your phone, but sometimes you can just be unlucky

If purchased from t mobile, you do get 1 year manufacturer warranty

Was your phone wearing protection like a screen protector or case and if so was it the glass protector cause I slapped that on right away and have had a few drops already with no damage ever since my unprotected nexus 7 drop and cracking the. Screen I'm all for protection ?
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Lucke said:
you have no proof of that, and it sounds like you're just blaming others for your problems.
4 years with a large screen smartphone and i've still never dropped any of mine. that's your issue, not the manufacturers.
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Ok guy whatever.

italia0101 said:
If this were a major issue wouldn't we be hearing about it all over?
Sorry about your phone, but sometimes you can just be unlucky
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Its not a major issue so long as you dont drop it. The issue is the fact that its much more likely to break compared to other phones release this year or even last year.
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Was your phone wearing protection like a screen protector or case and if so was it the glass protector cause I slapped that on right away and have had a few drops already with no damage ever since my unprotected nexus 7 drop and cracking the. Screen I'm all for protection ?
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No my case wont be here til today, it was on back order by the time i added it to my cart and checked out lol

That's horrible man I feel your pain smh

Take better care of your phone. Of the six devices I've had, I was unlucky enough to break exactly one screen, on my Droid DNA. Guess what? My fault. I then proceeded to pay to have it fixed myself. It was my responsibility to take care of my phone, not HTC's. I blamed myself. Do you see a pattern here?
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I've owned a smartphone of some sort since the original iPhone came out, and I've never broken a screen. It sounds like OP's broke by freak accident, but I don't think that means:
The issue is the fact that its much more likely to break compared to other phones release this year or even last year.
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I don't know how many of you play the stocks, but there were tons of videos out about sapphire vs gorilla glass when I was investing in GTAT pre them going to OTC.
Anyways, all the guys saying they have dropped their phone prior, all I can say is that is how it starts. Even though you do not notice the crack, it creates mini fractures/fissures in the glass that when dropped again, it will cause it to crack.
Additionally, the construction of can cause an impact on whether or not the glass fractures as easily too. Think of cars with a sunroof.
If screens are breaking at a high frequency, usually it deals with the manufacturer's bad construction.

trickster2369 said:
Take better care of your phone. Of the six devices I've had, I was unlucky enough to break exactly one screen, on my Droid DNA. Guess what? My fault. I then proceeded to pay to have it fixed myself. It was my responsibility to take care of my phone, not HTC's. I blamed myself. Do you see a pattern here?
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Congratulation on being Mr. Responsible I guess, I mean your parents must be so proud...First of all guy when I had my Thunderbolt and I was out for a run and it flew out my hand and the screen shattered 9 ways to hell and back, did I blame HTC? no I didn't because that was my fault. I got a new phone....but when I am driving in my car and my phone slide out my pocket and down the side of my car seat and cracks...btw this is something that has happen with my previous phones including my Thunderbolt and I've never had an issue.....well in that case it is clearly shoddy workmanship or like @uhguy said, a freak accident. But its nice to know how responsible you are, really it is, we need more people like you in the world.
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I don't know how many of you play the stocks, but there were tons of videos out about sapphire vs gorilla glass when I was investing in GTAT pre them going to OTC.
Anyways, all the guys saying they have dropped their phone prior, all I can say is that is how it starts. Even though you do not notice the crack, it creates mini fractures/fissures in the glass that when dropped again, it will cause it to crack.
Additionally, the construction of can cause an impact on whether or not the glass fractures as easily too. Think of cars with a sunroof.
If screens are breaking at a high frequency, usually it deals with the manufacturer's bad construction.
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agreed.

um...
http://phandroid.com/2014/12/02/nexus-6-replacements
Stop whining.

sn0warmy said:
um...
http://phandroid.com/2014/12/02/nexus-6-replacements
Stop whining.
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um....
Not sure where it was that i was still whining but ok thanks for link it might prove useful